suggestions-discussion

[bright crag]

It's just a fandom joke boss

[golden sonnet]

it's a fandom meme

[north oracle]

rugamarius

[deft yew]

Am I an extremist for believing we should kill every carnage weapon and every night’s weapon and every terra weapon

[north oracle]

no :p

[serene tendon]

It's obviously a joke considering the other content of the message

[brazen minnow]

Oh

[bright crag]

We're planning on either

• Deleting Blood Clot Staff and replacing it with Flesh of Infidelity
• Delete Flesh of Infidelity and give Bloot Clot Staff its minion

[serene tendon]

percentage-based melee damage on a magic weapon

[north oracle]

oh thank god
will dank still get a debuff :p

[bright crag]

That is the intention

[north oracle]

phew

[brazen minnow]

Does anyone know what the longest upgrade line of rogue weapons is?

[serene tendon]

Probably the exo weapon made with elemental disc

[north oracle]

no, and i'm not sure why you're asking about that here

[coral carbon]

#suggestions-posting message y'know I never thought about this

[brazen minnow]

This was already off topic

[north oracle]

this was talking about the dev server response to a suggestion
your question was entirely unrelated

[novel belfry]

Who cares about the Blood Clot Staff?

[worldly sparrow]

great sugg

[north oracle]

lol

[shrewd ingot]

thank

[north oracle]

@drowsy plank hi

it's a very valid sugg don't you think

[drowsy plank]

@shrewd ingot no joke suggestions

[shrewd ingot]

it's not

we need to have a great mighty poo boss

[wide river]

I called it

The classic counter to any joke suggestion
"It's not a joke"

[worldly sparrow]

what are you, 6?

[drowsy plank]

i could also mute you

[north oracle]

speedrunning a warn suggestions discussion edition

[shrewd ingot]

you're being skinned alive

[shrewd ingot]

and you're having salt added to yours

[wide river]

True!

[drowsy plank]

bye lmao

[wide river]

A new block enters the list

[north oracle]

lol + lmao

[worldly sparrow]

common cog W

[drowsy plank]

he left

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

[wide river]

Honestly quite incredible

[serene tendon]

Some people don't understand Discord is for 13+

[oblique geyser]

@ cog Can I suggest adding La Ruga 🥺

[drowsy plank]

i will eat your soul

[wide river]

Soul Eater refere
(You see this is not offtopic because Terraria has a now-removed item that is a reference to Soul Eater, being the Soul Scythe)

[odd geyser]

I wonder what happens here during April 1st

[coral carbon]

"why are you getting mad at me for making joke suggestions its april first lmao-" banned

[wide river]

I remember someone posting a joke suggestion and when confronted said "It's for April Fool's Day though" or something similar
It was, in fact, 3 days before April Fool's Day

[coral carbon]

LOL

[ruby plover]

must have been a time zone issue

[worldly sparrow]

timezones only get 24 hours apart from eachother

mf living on the moon

[ruby plover]

yeah just time zone issue :D

[drowsy plank]

bro forgot to convert from lunar fuckin dumbass

[north oracle]

We have funnier things happen in this server on April fools

[odd geyser]

add virgin from deviljho may cry 6
he's literally me

[worldly sparrow]

like what?

[north oracle]

the dozezoze incident

[worldly sparrow]

wdym

[odd geyser]

What

[north oracle]

Like 4 diffeeent people changed their usernames and pfps to doze’s
And doze changed his to something entirely unrelated

Then we fucked with people for several hours

[wide river]

(Here we are, found it)
(#suggestions-discussion message)

[odd geyser]

guys this is not a joke pls add him hes so cool

[coral carbon]

his name was the glaggler

checks out

[brazen minnow]

I wonder if a moderator will ban me then unban me a minute later for this message alone

[novel belfry]

You should eat broccoli flavored broccoli

[odd geyser]

Groogreeyee ahh name

[brazen minnow]

water flavoured food is better
and no I'm not British

[wintry gale]

Literally ice

[wide river]

I think today is the most full I've seen #suggestions-posting in a bit

[vocal grotto]

More dyes (good ending)

[grim tusk]

Dyeing (inside)

[ripe owl]

Not accepted yet
Opinion denied

[grim tusk]

Only 4?

[vocal grotto]

A lot of the existing dye could admittedly probably do with modifications to be more in line with Terraria's art style
Ones like stratus stick out a little weirdly in that respect

[grim tusk]

The Nohit Nycro Hivemind and The#thKirn incidents

[grim tusk]

:true:

I'll eventually learn shaders

meld dye will be epic

heck it might serve as the way I learn em

[novel belfry]

it better be

[ashen warren]

I wonder who made them 🤨

[vocal grotto]

Look I've evolved past the standards I had when I made them

[ashen warren]

The grindset never ends

Constant cycle of improving past work you now consider bad

Very fun 😊

I've had the same thing with the death wishes, they're just so bland

The menu looks ugly as hell

[ripe owl]

It's literally the achievements menu but

Slightly modified

[ashen warren]

Yes

[ripe owl]

It's not a bad thing, I'm just saying that sometimes you shouldn't push hard

[ashen warren]

Which works for what they are but it's so uncreative

[north oracle]

we can do better next year

[golden sonnet]

[oblique geyser]

Everyone should become Jupiter

[wide river]

TRUE

[golden sonnet]

All noob

[oblique geyser]

Or aboOod

[golden sonnet]

Who

[oblique geyser]

Yeah everyone should be aboOod

[north oracle]

lmao
@hearty obsidian next april fools

[oblique geyser]

https://youtube.com/@aboood7628?si=Ip_BQYlK9g06SN2F

[north oracle]

aboood

[oblique geyser]

@ aboood_

[wide river]

Very good content creator
Does nohits and stuff like that

[oblique geyser]

Famous YouTuber aboOod!

[wide river]

Been following them for a few months and I love how much their channel has grown

[north oracle]

exceptionally persistent content creator apparently

[golden sonnet]

Too well known, I vote for Jupi

[wide river]

Pretty much
Said they weren't gonna nohit Infernum then proceeded to nohit Infernum

[oblique geyser]

He has the most reacted journey completion message of all time in nohitcord

Every time someone finishes a journey the judges announce it in a channel

For a while the highest reacted was cactoos's malice (the first ever malice journey)

Which has 39 currently

aboOod's infernum has 50 clueless reacts

[wide river]

Truly clueless

[oblique geyser]

@lean prairie

[golden sonnet]

Heavenly gale is really strong, especially with daawnlight

[worldly sparrow]

^^^^^

its synergy with daawnlight is crazy

[crude geode]

@north oracle late (the sugg is already in voting) but nimbus rod, magnet sphere, rainbow gun, and crimson rod already break this

ik you bring it up, but it's something mage is vaguely well known for at this point, being weapons that stay for a little while before going away

even something like inferno fork call fall under it

[north oracle]

This is quite a bit too late, and if those weapons weren’t vanilla and won’t be getting changed, tbe suggestion would be covering them too

[cobalt pewter]

what is that weapon even

I don't remember half of calamity stuff atp

[[Wrath of the Ancients]]

[north oracle]

there is nothing I can do about them, but cal can fix the stuff it's added

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Wrath_of_the_Ancients

[golden sonnet]

Also, inferno fork is not similar. And rainbow gun lasts like 30 seconds and is annoying to use, quite separate from the clouds which last for a very long time.

[north oracle]

i, while writing that suggestion, wanted to ask to rework nimbus and shaderain as well

however that's not allowed because vanilla stuff

[golden sonnet]

It isn't?

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like an approach to differentiating these effects from summoner weapons would just be to make each of these things spawned passively leech mana while their stats are buffed, so that mana plays part into the longevity of these effects

[crude geode]

^^^^^

if the problem is the lack of connection to mage, it can just be given more of one instead of taking one of mage's small niches

[golden sonnet]

I honestly like that a good bit

[coral carbon]

Tbh my issue with heavenly gale is that it fires whenever you press left click no matter what as long as it's selected

Like you left click anything and it shoots even like moving items in inventory

[north oracle]

…that sounds like a bug

[north oracle]

The issue isn’t the lack of a connection to mage
The issue is how massive the connection is with summoner

[silk garnet]

whereas this is how much the dragons breath deals

[wide river]

I see you're testing on dummies

[crude geode]

[golden sonnet]

Dummy testing is highly innacurate as dummies lack defense, damage reduction, movement, as well as dynamic hitboxes. Hitboxes are especially relevent as even setting the exact defense/DR with luiafk's custom dummies leads to highly innacurate results. This is because larger hitboxes like Providence can lead to a ton of weapons hitting multiple times, and Worm bosses will be completely off obviously, etc. On top of that dummies don't move so a stationary target leads to largely inflated numbers for closer range or more aim intensive weapons.

[crude geode]

bro had the copypasta ready

[small timber]

I am almost very certain heavenly gale is ultra cracked

like, ultra ultra cracked

[cobalt pewter]

god?

[golden sonnet]

[north oracle]

Only with daawnlight

[silk garnet]

hm

[north oracle]

It’s just normally strong otherwise

[silk garnet]

lemme try that

[coral carbon]

Ig I'll see if it still happens in current tmod/calamity version

[golden sonnet]

It's just a quirk of it being channeled

Still could be considered a bug tho

[small timber]

let me just go get a quick run on non-quiver of nihility non-daawnlight run

(of corse with that 2 it is undisputable cracked, but I just noticed one of the newest patch did indeed nerfed heavenly gale)

[silk garnet]

fr?

[small timber]

with daawnlight or quiver of nihility 100%

[silk garnet]

im testing it with the dawnlight rn and its dealing around 22k

[small timber]

but last patch it was cracked even without that 2, so I will need to retest first
since apparently the newer patch give it a nerf

[silk garnet]

oh ic

[small timber]

I only know current patch it is indeed still cracked with daawnlight/quiver
just not sure without it

also I just realise this should had been #1042197406776827914 , because you dont rework an entire relatively new weapon just because it don't deal enough damage

damage issue is simply fixed with buffs and nerfs, not rework

[north oracle]

yeah, the weapon doesn't need a rework

it's already functional

[wide river]

Reworks are generally justified if the weapon feels bad to use/is outdated

If it's based off of poor performance then that can be fixed with stat adjustment usually

[silk garnet]

ok it turns out i am actually 100% factually incorrect the heavenly gale just sucks against super dummies

ig it has armor piercing or smth 🤷

[small timber]

ok I will get one with drage heart, the heart is abit slow now, it was not good on hearts even prenerf

[grim tusk]

Tornado???

[small timber]

I thought it still summon a super mini tornado, but might be misremembered

that or they are playing 1.3 calamity or something, but they said miracle matter so unlikely

[cobalt pewter]

bro is on the newest ver it seems

flight time bar

[drowsy plank]

@silk garnet if i am following it seems like most of your reasoning is HGale purportedly being weak according to you which would make this a #1042197406776827914 thing but also this is just flatout untrue, HGale is literally ontier with Photovis and Photovis is busted

also oml dummy testing

[sand marlin]

Isn't Photo balanced now

[drowsy plank]

of course it performed bad dummy testing is dogshit

i think it might be now idr

[regal willow]

scalwheeze reaction

[sand marlin]

Yeah they should be about the same and photo is balanced

HGale's DSO synergy needs toning down is all

[worldly sparrow]

hybrid photo is still crazy

[drowsy plank]

it got a C

also hgale might actually be stronger than photo rn idr what gale got or if it has even been tested

[worldly sparrow]

hybriding is where you switch between lclick and rclick

[worldly sparrow]

and in the case of photo it's crazy good

[drowsy plank]

oh actually it is

HGale is A tier, Photo is C tier

hilarious

[north oracle]

gale will be better now, yeah

[lucid marsh]

Bows feel weak because they're a little harder to aim than guns and I'm guessing most people don't test them with archery potions

And becomes guns are skewed to slightly stronger than normal

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure it's just dummy testing being dogshit

[sand marlin]

You say that but rapidfire guns also require high accuracy

AKA keeping the cursor on boss the entire time you fight it instead of having a slow firing weapon you have to aim only occasionally

[lucid marsh]

The relatively high velocity of bullets makes aiming them easier

Compare this to bows that also fire fast enough that you need to keep your cursor on the boss close enough to constantly, except you also have to aim above the boss

And can't get too far away, and have to change your aim with distance sometimes

Granted this isn't as big of a deal for later game bows

[sand marlin]

There are various pros and cons such as, arrows linger for longer which make certain movement patterns more effective but bullets cannot be aimed away from the boss/miss initially otherwise they never hit

Tsunami is a great example

It has a middling velocity which isn't too slow for bosses but also isn't fast enough to just go into space

[lucid marsh]

Sure, bows can do good things that guns can't, but it's pretty easy to hit most of your shots with a gun, because it's easy to aim where the boss is, not where it's going to be

More important for fast bosses

[sand marlin]

Except fast bosses tend to hit lingering projectiles more oftenly than you think, there isn't that much difference

You can see this in xpc's napalm tests

[coral carbon]

xbx is just really adamant about bows being bad 🚬

[sand marlin]

PbG tends to hit the napalm adds a few more times

[drowsy plank]

hgale practically fires like a gun anyway

[lucid marsh]

You know, you're probably right

That said

I'm not saying they are bad

I'm saying they feel bad

[sand marlin]

Blood Rain Bow

[regal willow]

no way that thing is still gud or sth

[sand marlin]

It was and is never bad

[regal willow]

[lucid marsh]

the stormbow-style weapons feel good because they're easier to aim and great against worms

try stormbow against aquatic scourge with ammo that pierces or explodes

[fervent orbit]

why are we talking about accuracy with hg, a homing bow

[sand marlin]

I wasn't talking about HG lol

[tired haven]

This is a first time I have seen anybody say stormbow type is easier to aim than regular type

Not a rebuttal to the point, I'm just moderately amused

[sand marlin]

"Against a worm"

[tired haven]

Well, it's "and great against worms", which is a truthful but separate point

unless it's combining both points "against worms", in which case, I agree

[sand marlin]

Yeah that's what I got from that

[brazen minnow]

Am I the only one who thinks the gloves of recklessness and precision should be earlier in progression as they don't break progression one bit and they help define the line between the two rogue subclasses, spammer and stealth striker.

[small timber]

tldr: both are inherently broken in nature that they still randomly make post-yharon weapon overpowered; moving it even earlier will be even more disastrous as it will affect even more wepaon

[wide river]

The clueless on this user is immense

[small timber]

iirc there is already a plan to rework both; and no that two accessory do not really "define" spam/stealth; it is defined as early as HM start

[lament shore]

would being able to use your dash hotkey and double tapping a/d at the same time be useful?

instead of the dash bind being an override it just adds an alternate shortcut to dash

since it's both hard to get used to your dash bind and there are situations where one of them is better than the other one

even if it's a bad idea making it toggleable from the configs wouldn't hurt anyone

[brazen minnow]

I'm only post-slime god in my first Calamity playthrough so I get my post-slime god knowledge from the wiki. Sorry if I'm acting clueless.

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not sure on the efforts to rebalance glove of recklessness

but glove of precision is plain broken on stealth

like it's a fat stat boost, all on the positives even if it's stated otherwise

(increased use time on rogue weapons means higher stealth damage)

it's a viable accessory to use all the way to yharon, maybe even more

[grim tusk]

Both have been nerfed for next patch:

Recklessness:
Dmg decrease 13% -> 10%
Crit decrease 0% -> 10%

Precision:
Dmg increase 15% -> 10%
Velocity increase 25% -> 15%

Altho the initial GoR nerf was way too much (-15% crit lmfao)

When we get to reworking rogue stealth these two will likely get looked at again

[fervent orbit]

crit decrease on recklessness seems interesting

[grim tusk]

I identified that crits mostly offset the dmg penalty due to you just attacking more times.

This got very stupid with extremely fast weapons such as Hypothermia, Cosmic Kunai, Duststorm (beta; while reworking the way it deals dmg I tried local iframes; it was so fucking stupid (even with ~30 iframes) so I gave em static and never looked back) to name a few

Hypothermia got its kt lowered by 1:30

[fervent orbit]

yea that makes sense

gonna not use any rogue armour because gor will give me 96% crit because it overflows from 0 to 100 right?

[grim tusk]

Hypothermia balancing be like:
Oh its actually balanced getting on time with both nano/mirror and nano/locket

Nano/RtN is a somewhat under but thats fine (3:40)

Nano/GoR 2:30

[fervent orbit]

gloves are perfectly balanced with no problems

[grim tusk]

And thus I nerfed GoR

And then hit GoP too cuz it was also too good on spam

And on stealth the boosts were ridiculous

[frosty trellis]

I love how what everyone thought was just a stealth accessory was one of the most broken spam accessories

[novel belfry]

It’s not even that bad for stealth anyways, but turns out reducing attack speed isn’t enough to dissuade the spammers

[cobalt pewter]

I never tried on spam so I never found out

and it's not like I play spam all that much

[novel belfry]

Same

Rogue to me is about the STEALTH meter, that’s what makes rogue a unique class

[grim tusk]

Rogue to me is dynamically switching things up and messing around with what the class has to offer. “Fuck around and find out”

Or well was, now I make sure everyone has a fun time and engages more with the system.

I want to make rogue more dynamic eventually, would help bring back the experimentation to the broader audience and not just a small and dedicated portion of the player base.

[cobalt pewter]

I think for now the issue that spam is just yet another thrower class, stealth is really what sets it apart from any other thrower attempts

[grim tusk]

Which kinda sucks as rogue spam can also do cool stuff, but everyone uses stealth because its better.

Its the opposite issue that rogue 1.0 had. Back then only spam was used and few players (basically Feezda and me; occasionally joined by 1-2 people; former testers and Piky had to join to balance stuff) messed around with stealth

Current rogue basically has only the #1042197406776827914 gang and very few people on more public spaces messing with spam

There should be a balance between both sides

[novel belfry]

spam really isnt... that unique, aside from some really cool spam weapons

[cobalt pewter]

it's a Sisyphean task to make the spam end of rogue a lot more unique because it's inherently just thrower again, which has been tried multiple times in 1.3. times of Terraria modding

[novel belfry]

and they're all just upclose super duper rapidfire daggers

[grim tusk]

And we have plans to change up rogue

[cobalt pewter]

while I do not mind either way, rogue fully going towards stealth (or whatever its name will be with the next rework) would be really funny

[grim tusk]

Summoner and its whip hell is first tho

[grim tusk]

We need to focus

[north oracle]

oh thank god

[wide river]

Hmm, I wonder what this could mean

[north oracle]

...how did mine get above there

[inner anvil]

#suggestions-voting message
Hi @north oracle , this suggestion caught my eye, this part specifically:

Imp and Hornet are currently bugged, so I can't make any statements about their viability, but they are still relatively uninteresting and use effectively the same ai, so they could benefit from some tweaks as well.
What is bugged about it, they seem fine in-game and there haven't been any bug reports not even from you.

[north oracle]

oh, that's odd
We found some bugs with them where hornet was firing way slower than it's meant to

[inner anvil]

That's intentional.

I made that.

[north oracle]

in that case it's made it impressively bad

[inner anvil]

I forgot to buff them because I did that while damage code was completely broken.

[north oracle]

ah
in that case that part of the sugg is inaccurate, we'd assumed it was a bug due to there not being documentation and them being really really bad because of it

[inner anvil]

Also I heard probably a legitimate bug that Hornet Staff does not benefit from Hive Pack?

[north oracle]

yeah, that's an actual bug lol

[inner anvil]

I may need to remove the AI change then, because Vanilla doesn't normally keep track of what accesories you have on so I literally cannot do anything there and what I could do would be super wack.

I'll probably just make it shoot passive bees then, like Queen Bee, sounds way cooler.

[north oracle]

That would be cool

[inner anvil]

The rest of the suggestion is fine, I'll do it on the future, high school starts soon so I may not be in the summoner coding grind that much often.

[north oracle]

Oh, awesome. Good to know, thanks

[inner anvil]

I'll need to be careful with Abigail though, changing Vanilla minion code is very fragile, I'll probably give it an extra update.
Same with Finch Staff I guess, I don't think I could replicate the idle code.

[grave zinc]

@silver silo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Profaned Soul Crystal’s vanity effect Providence’s night colors at night/while the defensive buffs are active]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

Yeah, those 2 are simply too slow. They’d be a lot better if they moved faster

[drowsy plank]

huh

i guess hellfire's new recipe must've fucked with it or something

[novel belfry]

its been two years

[drowsy plank]

this seems more like a bug/oversight

[north oracle]

LMAO

[drowsy plank]

@wintry gale have you tried #1052323733961977947 for this?

[coral carbon]

truly 👍 hell

[wintry gale]

no
imma go for it then

i guess

[wintry gale]

i didnt know there was a tag for tooltip issue
ty

and i just realized the hellfire treads recipe change

lmfao

[grim tusk]

@frozen nest pretty sure thats a bug

[golden sonnet]

not a bug, but is an oversight

it's because the meteor itself checks for NPC houses/chests and the same stuff a the normal meteor

but the Altar the metoer spawns doesn't have such checks (as far as I'm aware)

[frozen nest]

yeah, I can post it in bug reports if you think that'd be appropriate but this seems like more of a "check needs to be added" than "code not working properly"

oh and I'll post the image here since idk if the suggestions posting channel allows for images

[golden sonnet]

Shade is the bug manager, so if they said to make a bug report (the bugs channel is for oversights too ) I would do as such. But like I said, it isn't anything in the Code that's wrong, it just doesn't exist.

as as shown in your image, the meteor did avoid your house as intended

[grim tusk]

I think I know how to prevent the monolith from generating over stuff

Could use logic similar to shrines

[frozen nest]

should I still submit it as a bug report?

[grim tusk]

Preferably

[frozen nest]

alright, np

[wintry gale]

i cant suggest concepts of weapons
right?

[coral carbon]

i believe that'd be a SIS

[wintry gale]

whats a sis

[sand marlin]

Specific Item Suggestion

[wintry gale]

okay then

[civic ruin]

a sis is a sister you uncultured swine

[sand marlin]

@civic ruin you need more reasoning than just that + you did the format wrong

[civic ruin]

idk how to format

[sand marlin]

Title

Description

That's it

[civic ruin]

i did put a title

[sand marlin]

You need both

[worldly sparrow]

and its gone already

[wide river]

Boy do I love it when people delete their suggestions rather than edit it

[sand marlin]

You can see them typing anyway

[worldly sparrow]

slowmode moment

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure achievements arent quite possible yet

Infernum just went through a complicated process of making its own achievement system

[sand marlin]

[ashen warren]

[regal willow]

[brazen minnow]

Does anyone know what large new content additions are planned by the devs

[north oracle]

biome update 1, biome update 2, continue till biomes are done, yharim

[brazen minnow]

YHARIM?

[drowsy plank]

i mean those are the plans

[brazen minnow]

I yearn for when Fargo's doesn't have to be downloaded to play a missing calamity boss...

[drowsy plank]

dont forget noxus and xeroc but those two are still a coinflip anyway

[north oracle]

that was an april fools joke

[north oracle]

mhm

and whatever else happens in between

[drowsy plank]

what
dude that's april fools that's not at all accurate to what yharim will be like at all that's just a reskinned mutant

[north oracle]

it was literally just mutant reskinned lol

[drowsy plank]

plus his drops aren't even accurate to what yharim would give your, nor does it have his arena or lore like wha

[brazen minnow]

Noxus already exists
Isn't the Xerox boss fight the boss rush
Reskinned mutant is the closest thing we have to yharim though sadly... (I think)

[north oracle]

noxus does not exist

that is an unofficial addon

xeroc will have an entirely different fight

[brazen minnow]

Well it still is something

[north oracle]

and reskinned mutant is nothing like yharim :p

[brazen minnow]

What is closer to yharim that isn't reskinned mutant that already exists?

[drowsy plank]

nothing

[north oracle]

literally everything could have a yharim sprite put on it and be just as close

[brazen minnow]

And if SCal is a peon of Yharim then wouldn't Yharim be unimaginably powerful?

[drowsy plank]

yharim has a lot of plans the team is holding very close to their chest so stuff like the noxus and xeroc (also that boss is called like Nameless Light or something anyway) doesnt happen again

[brazen minnow]

Do you mean plans are being kept secret

[drowsy plank]

yes

[north oracle]

yes, they aren't revealing their plans

[brazen minnow]

Ok
I like game surprises, like many people

[drowsy plank]

it was very weird you were saying you needed to download other mods to "finish" calamity like. cal is currently made as it is as the intended experience. exos/scal is endgame rn, and when they add the remaining bosses then they will be, but you're not missing anything by not fighting a bunch of fan bosses unless you just want to see a bunch of unofficial fights lmao

[brazen minnow]

Yup
Fan fights can be super fun and quality, look at Goozma

Ok I'm done chatting goodnight
Whatever this is
This thread
Ok

[coral carbon]

what did i just read

[frail mantle]

Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising

[deft yew]

Argus

[wintry gale]

The lorde

[ripe owl]

OOA
Didn't read after that

[wintry gale]

wym

[ripe owl]

Oh, haven't you heard? I've thought you've already heard by this time

[worthy fiber]

OOA 🛌

[wintry gale]

oh

i just get it

lmfao i just yawned

[small timber]

for the most part turret nuking the shit out of OOA is intended

because urr, the sentry staff you get from the OOA event pretty much also solo OOA on Expert, assuming it is the on-tier one

[drowsy plank]

fuck OOA 🙏

anything that makes it easier is a net positive in my mind

[glass arch]

yeah ooa is just

painful

[deft yew]

Where’s my shotgun?

[ashen warren]

did you know that banners are nerfed against ooa mobs

[glass arch]

w

why

[drowsy plank]

i think we should double banner effectiveness actually :)

[deft yew]

Did you know that OOA banners used to not have the effect in the first place?

[glass arch]

its not like its gonna be easy with normal banners

[glass arch]

yes.

it sucked

[royal tapir]

1000 Goblin kills for absolutely no gain at all 💪

[dense ferry]

My man really said "I want to make this event even worse"

[worldly sparrow]

i hate how this isnt against the rules to suggest because turrets help keep my sanity during ooa

[hybrid steeple]

make it a dont to suggest making ooa harder

[errant wren]

doesn't that sugg go against the entire point of the event?

anyways hi hello i was lurking again

time to go back

[wide river]

I would think so yes

Considering the event is tower-defense themed, I'm not sure if we should remove part of the tower-defense aspect by making Calamity's turrets not attack during the event
There's also the fact that I don't think the turrets stop attacking during any other event, so this one would just be a random outlier

[golden tulip]

make them sentries

problem solved

[whole tundra]

@last raptor Wrong game + its been over a year

[last raptor]

What do you mean?

[whole tundra]

This is Terraria, not Minecraft

[drowsy plank]

@strong current balance reasoning which is a no, and also im not even 100% sure what this is asking? if the bullets didnt get converted they would not be able to interact with the coins, that's just how it works. we don't need another basic ass gun

also man i

is this invalid?

[last raptor]

I know. I'm not referring to minecraft

[drowsy plank]

this feels like it should be invalid but im not sure

[whole tundra]

Does not matter

Still has been over a year

[strong current]

Ah k, understandable

[last raptor]

Over a year from what?

[golden tulip]

you can bring it up in the thread

[drowsy plank]

if you think the gun is weak go to #1042197406776827914

[last raptor]

All I'm asking is for advise to bring my damage up

[drowsy plank]

what

[strong current]

Was trying to make the crackshot reference railcoining

[hollow ridge]

It doesn't matter

[drowsy plank]

railcoining

[hollow ridge]

Cus there's a don't for that sugg

Uh refrences

Yeah

They aren't allowed

[strong current]

It's a literal ultrakill gun and it would fit the weapon

[drowsy plank]

hell to program it isn't happening

[strong current]

The weapon is already a reference

[drowsy plank]

making it a ultrakill reference was a fucking mistake

god

[strong current]

I don't understand programming so I'm sorry that it was too much to ask

[drowsy plank]

it's fine but this happens like once a month

also reference suggestions are against the rules

even for weapons which are references

see; murasama

[hollow ridge]

Let's kill it :D

[drowsy plank]

REAL

[last raptor]

What about if it's to honor somebody who passed away?

[golden sonnet]

please.

[whole tundra]

Still a reference

[hollow ridge]

Pleading face emoticon

[golden sonnet]

I respect wanting to honor someone, but Suggestions are to mention an issue, and propose a fix to said issue. There is also a rule against adding things just because they are a reference, as being a reference is not a reason to add something

[golden tulip]

this game doesnt have anything to do with technoblade, you dont need to reference him

[whole tundra]

• we are not going to use someone who is dead to draw attention

[hollow ridge]

That's sorry

Make a cool build in ur world or smth

[drowsy plank]

actually wait ur right

this is a reference suggestion

so it is invalid

[last raptor]

It ain't to draw attention,just an Easter egg. Like maybe if you name yourself Alex,the piggies get a crown because that was his real name or something.

[drowsy plank]

totally forgot about that

lmao

[hollow ridge]

🐌

[drowsy plank]

[whole tundra]

It is a pure reference suggestion btw so its not going in

[sand marlin]

Why not just make it yourself lol

[whole tundra]

Make a seperate mod for it yourself

[last raptor]

I don't know how to code.

[whole tundra]

Or just make a build

[golden tulip]

why would you involve technoblade in this

[sand marlin]

So learn to

[golden tulip]

let the man rest in peace damn

[wide river]

🙏

[sand marlin]

If you care so much as to try and force a reference into calamity mod just make your own mod

[last raptor]

I'm horroring him!

[hollow ridge]

Wrong word

Smh

[golden tulip]

it has nothing to do with technoblade

[sand marlin]

You clearly don't know how to

[hollow ridge]

Yeah nvm

[golden sonnet]

the irony of this spelling is not lost on me.

[last raptor]

Look,just tell me how to make a texture pack and I'll leave if your just gonna be rude.

[sand marlin]

I'm not being rude lol I'm telling you how to be reasonable

[drowsy plank]

i dont think he's being rude, i think he's being entirely fair, this is very weird to do tbh

[worldly sparrow]

he played it a singular time for a tommyinnit stream so obviously we need to add a technoblade pig

and that wasnt calamity

[drowsy plank]

time and a place and those were like two years ago kinda weird to try and force it now, especially in an entirely different game

[last raptor]

I ain't forcing it! It was a suggestion!

[golden tulip]

you dont see an einstein reference because he was a good man and passed away lmfao

[hollow ridge]

And it's not allowed surely thats enough for everyone to move on

[sand marlin]

[regal willow]

👍

[whole tundra]

With the types of arguments you tried to reason it with, it seems mor forceful rather than a suggestion

[hollow ridge]

Especially from something that could be not it for some peeps

[whole tundra]

And you should read the suggestion donts document pinned in #suggestions-posting, @last raptor

[golden tulip]

ok we have explained why it most likely wont pass, thats it

[drowsy plank]

okay i think they get it

just read the rules next time before suggestions something please

[worldly sparrow]

alright discussion over

[drowsy plank]

anyway that biome mimic sugg is good

i like it

would actually be pretty useful tbh

cause it's pretty hard to avoid them unlike earth elementals

[last raptor]

Oh my God, if you hate the idea so much then how do I make a texture pack?

Hmmm?

[drowsy plank]

abyss no one hates the idea; you're literally just breaking the rules

please move on

[golden tulip]

brotha

leave it

[whole tundra]

Yeah + it would add more surprise to them being alive

[sand marlin]

You can go look at tModLoader github wiki

Modding stuff or similar things are there

[whole tundra]

As right now, you get them on screen, they find you

[sand marlin]

The rest is your learning experience

[last raptor]

I meant,is there any programs or anything that would be needed to do that?

Like any sprite sheet softwares or anything?

[sand marlin]

Yes

As I've said the related things are explained there

[drowsy plank]

you'd probably want a uhhhhhh. what's the word. a program like Visual Studio or Notepad++ for the actual code, and then maybe something like Asprite or Piskel for making the sprite

[sand marlin]

If you wanna know you can have a look through

[drowsy plank]

but yeah i think this is all mentioned on the tmod tutorial page

please just go there

[last raptor]

Thank you.

[fossil finch]

adding spawnblockers for stronger mobs is like that one slope thats slippery no way today they want this and tomorrow itll be add a spawnblocker for zombies theyre annoying,. the west has fallen (joking)

still disagree with the sugg in principle because

we think it is a disservice to anything to just be adding spawnblockers for mobs simply because they are strong and can be annoying

the mimics are already rare mobs anyway

that one iban quote but replace the entire bit about not adding all the gimmicks to just not adding more ultrakill things

[small timber]

Frequently Suggested Suggestion:
Ultrakill

Just ultrakill, no context, no elaboration needed

Imagine doing ultrakill reference instead of reference to an actual good game

Like goat simulator

[hollow ridge]

@vestal wasp no 👎

[worldly sparrow]

no 👎

[wide river]

Please read the suggestion Don'ts doc pinned here before making suggestions

This is explicitly disallowed as there is a rule against adding things solely for being a reference

[hollow ridge]

aaaand done

[drowsy plank]

if the next suggestions is also ultrakill im gonna start striking people for trolling

[coral carbon]

if the next suggestion is ultrakill im gonna ultrakill mys-

[worldly sparrow]

if the next suggestion is ultrakill im gonna p-rank world war 3

[whole tundra]

Zenith dont

[gaunt edge]

?

[royal tapir]

Y'all getting anxious now

[whole tundra]

Dont make an ultrakill suggestion please

[royal tapir]

No more suggestions for the next 24 hours

[gaunt edge]

i wasn't going to do that

[worldly sparrow]

ok good

[golden tulip]

good sugg

[lavish condor]

chlorophyte extractinator?

[worldly sparrow]

1.4.4

item

[grim tusk]

RENEWABLE HALLOWED ORE!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/974380503761317938/Capture_2022-05-12_13_33_25.png

Bread 👍

Tbh I should also add hallowed ore to hallow crates’ lootpool post-all mechs

[abstract bridge]

Sounds reasonable to me

[royal tapir]

What did he mean by this

[grim tusk]

Hallowed ore looks like bread

[royal tapir]

I thought it was hay

[wide river]

If it's obtainable more easily than mining it, then I will be happy

It's almost never worth mining it when you can just
Kill mechs again

[abstract bridge]

You can decraft the bars with shimmer if you've found it

[grim tusk]

bread baked with baking soda instead of yeast

[grim tusk]

Oh so shimmer made it renewable; cool

Still needs to be in crates and chlorophyte extractinator for consistency

[gaunt edge]

@abstract bridge about your suggestion you have to put the main idea like this

[grim tusk]

Its actually unneeded

[gaunt edge]

bruh

[grim tusk]

The bot will do so automatically when it gets to #suggestions-voting

[gaunt edge]

oh didn't knew that

well

[coral carbon]

i forgot hallowed ore was a thing

I never go into the underground hallow after beating all the mech bosses since theres nothing for me there

journey mode pride

[small timber]

The suggestion says "for consistency sake" but I dont really see it

Hallowed is a tier above titanium/adamantite, they are not really the same tier therefore no really an inconsistency issue there

In fact if not mistaken hallowed is basically same tier as chlorophyte, and chloro extractinator dont sift chlorophyte ore

[abstract bridge]

It the step before chlorophyte

Or that's how I've looked at it

[small timber]

So if anything it is more reasonable for hallowed to not be obtainable from chlorophyte extractinator

[wide river]

Chlorophyte shimmers into Hallowed Ore
And if you have Chlorophyte, you have Hallowed

[fossil finch]

therefore yeah it should give you hallowed ore

[sleek turret]

awesome baller sugg Aleph

[fossil finch]

also like wdk chloro is the last minable ore in vanilla so it just makes sense anyway

[abstract bridge]

Thanks… I like consistency and I thought it was odd

[sleek turret]

@wintry gale rlly like your biome mimic sugg too

yeah i like consistency too

[wintry gale]

tysm

[abstract bridge]

I also had the idea for a Uelibloom extractinator that could give access to even later ores… and I'll probably put it in the main channel once I can for the actual sake of it… but I just thought it would help other who need ores even later on… just a thought.

[small timber]

Because chlorophyte extractinator do not give chlorophyte ore

Therefore it should also not give hallowed which is essentially the exact same tier

[fossil finch]

wdk how useful an euelibloom extract would be cuz

itd be like

scoria astral and

thats it?

[sleek turret]

perennial (?)

[glass arch]

luminite

[abstract bridge]

Luminite

Maybe exodium?

[sleek turret]

the other space matetial or smth

[wintry gale]

aerialite?

[glass arch]

no

[sleek turret]

no exodium

[wintry gale]

[fossil finch]

calamity already stablishes by itself that hallowed is a tier down chlorophyte

[glass arch]

aerialite is pre hardmode

[fossil finch]

with the shimmer change

and also it doesnt really work eitherway because hallowed isn't an alternative or the same tier as chloro, they are very different materials even if they are at the same point of progression

[abstract bridge]

What extractinator would give this anyway? If we want it to? Cloud in chrorophyete?

[glass arch]

it doesnt need it

[fossil finch]

y ea

like

[glass arch]

it has aero slimes

[abstract bridge]

It's not hard to get yeah

[golden tulip]

hallowed is an alternative to chlorophyte

[fossil finch]

hellstone isnt extractinable anyway

[abstract bridge]

All ores have slime or most do…

[sleek turret]

you have aero slimes, fishing, etc

[golden tulip]

hallowed is same tier as chloro

therefore, alternative

[fossil finch]

cant be used as an alt craft material in all the chloro recipes therefore wrong and we win the argument

[golden tulip]

its still an alternative?

what

[abstract bridge]

I think it should be called a tier lower than chorophyte

[sleek turret]

if it's an alternative to chlorophyte why do I need to craft drax/pickaxe axe to mine chlorophyte

[golden tulip]

it unlocks at the same time in progression what are u talking about

[fossil finch]

TRUE

[small timber]

Titanium, adamantite
Ori, mythril
Cobalt, palladium
...
Tin, copper

Shimmer's "ordering" for the ores for the most part is literally interchangeable especially HM

[sleek turret]

same case with hardmode ores

[abstract bridge]

It goes down or to the parallel

Always

[small timber]

The same argument can be made for hallowed and chlorophyte, with how it currently is it pretty much is just same tier

[golden tulip]

leftover of hm ore rework

[glass arch]

so you cant get chloro pre mechs

chloro starts genning as soon as hardmode hits

[golden tulip]

it is an alternative. it could be used in recipes as an alternative for consistency, but rn it is still an alternative

[abstract bridge]

Hallowed must come first, unless GFB is active, been doing that and progression is busted.

[small timber]

Dont know, you need to ask the devs

As in vanilla hallowed is 100% not sametier

But because of cal's HM ore rework hallowed and chloro essentially is same tier

[glass arch]

vanilla early hm also has just

no reason to get anything other than t3

[fossil finch]

wdk your point there

[glass arch]

good because i dont either

i have no idea what i was cooking there

[sleek turret]

let's lock chlorophyte after plantera, it will be a good idea

[abstract bridge]

Also gonna put this in the actually suggestions for if any ideas can come of it later, even if not exactly as I'm thinking.

[fossil finch]

replace perennial with chrlo repalace perennial withc hrlo replace perennialw ith chhrlo

[abstract bridge]

Perennial?

[fossil finch]

It could have been great 🙏

[small timber]

Tldr:
If chlorophyte and hallowed is same tier (it basically is because of cal's hm ore rework), chlorophyte extractinator did not work on getting chlorophyte

Therefore it should also not work on hallowed ore which is essentially just same tier ore

For consistency chlorophyte extractinator's power is basically just locked at titanium/adamantite

[glass arch]

counterpoint: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Perennial_Ore

[golden tulip]

actually no its just to lock chloro to after mechs lol, which just makes it more of an alt

[fossil finch]

counterpoint replace perennialw tich chlroo

[glass arch]

counterpoint reaver tank

[abstract bridge]

Hold on, can you get astral ore from extracting astral fossil?

[golden tulip]

fucking delete perennial why does it exist

[fossil finch]

counterpoint we would be willing to delete the reaver armors if it meant perennial stopped existing

[glass arch]

its not getting deleted i know that much

[fossil finch]

you could also just make them chloro crafts that use some random shit

[fervent orbit]

im going to kill you

[glass arch]

i dont know why but the armor isnt gonna be one of the reworked ones

[fossil finch]

if you do that there will be an unreversible chain of events that is going to end in the destruction of calamity as a concept

[glass arch]

dont delete the one unique armor set
even if it means getting rid of perennial you also lose the only non-damage focused armor in cal

[fossil finch]

WRONG! marnite armor

iban coming to the rescue as always

[glass arch]

right marnite exists

i completely forgot about it

[wide river]

@wintry gale You already have two suggestions in posting, please wait until one leaves posting to suggest that latest one

[golden tulip]

dude

[sleek turret]

i agree with this sugg

[golden tulip]

an upgraded version of a charging station is actually so fucking genius

what

make an upgraded version of the battery maker as well

[wintry gale]

ok

[fossil finch]

Anyways the lack of more unique armors in cal is an issue withing itself and would not be fixed just because you keep perennial over not removing the reaver armo

[glass arch]

both of them are already fast enough

[golden tulip]

the one that makes batteries really iosnt

[glass arch]

not if you completely ignore it until post yharon

[wintry gale]

this one isnt actually that necessary since most people (i believe that) always leave them making batteries since the start of the game

[glass arch]

like

[wide river]

You would think that

[fossil finch]

personally we could just remove charge fromt he draedon weapons since its a pretty nothingsauce gimmick at this poi

[sleek turret]

however, early generalization

[wintry gale]

well
if consistency issue is considered, maybe yes

[fervent orbit]

you only hear about the people complaining when theyre people who dont place down factories, not the ones who do

[tired haven]

Well, the people who consistently complain about drae batteries are also the ones who remember about the whole decoder thing post-scal so they have 0 batteries

Yeah

[golden tulip]

actually i did it post luna and was just short

its stupid that you HAVE to place it down right from the start

leave a lil room

[glass arch]

you

dont have to

[small timber]

Just randomly make mech bosses drop draedon battery post yharon

Very intuitive mechanic

[wintry gale]

me who places 10 battery generator until they reach 9999 for no specified reason:

[abstract bridge]

I've been on a server we have like 300k batteries… its crazy

[tired haven]

🤝

[sleek turret]

me when the existence of labs isn't foreshadowed correctly and people forget about the entire decoder thing 😱

[glass arch]

as you said
you did it post lunars and didnt have enough
i dont know if you know this but theres a large amount of time between post lunars and preboss

you have time to do it

[golden tulip]

instad of having to place down like 10 in early hm why not have them produce more

[fervent orbit]

theres also a large amount of time between post lc and post yharon, and is very dependant on how long it takes you

[small timber]

An abandoned lab should be right next to the players' spawn point

[wide river]

I have an idea to possibly fix the battery issue but I'm waiting for another suggestion to be done in voting before posting it

[fossil finch]

terraria players when introduced to the wonders of patience, nature, and taking their time (suddenly the dredon related content is not slow)

[fervent orbit]

ofc if youre a speedrunner ull only have 5 batteries

[tired haven]

having them produce more solves basically nothing for the people who forget about them until the very end

[fervent orbit]

i just had a fucking big brain idea

[glass arch]

taking time off from boss rushing isnt a bad thing

[sleek turret]

it's a matter of people y'know knowing that this shit exists instead of like having to find out randomly just by idfk recipe browser items or anything external mod else

[fervent orbit]

it sounds hilarious

[tired haven]

I do agree it could be stressed better at the start somehow to have less of missed cases

[fervent orbit]

but ik how gen z brains work, and i know that it would work on them

[small timber]

Just make repair unit drop more batteries

[golden tulip]

ok people who do it at the very end are helpless but just have them not necessary from very early on

[small timber]

When in need just zerg + chaos candle 1 million repair unit down

[fossil finch]

remember when 1.4.5 released and all those youtubers were completly skipping the new content because they didnt know they had to mine the random unimportant looking lab tiles

[frosty trellis]

Why would reaver armors need to be deleted in the first place is my question especially with the point you brought up with lack of unique armors in cal, reaver is one of the more unique options so that seems very contradictory

[fossil finch]

well we did suggest that they could also just be a chloro craft

[abstract bridge]

It's official in starting a list of ideas..:

[frosty trellis]

Chloro + what post plantera material then?

[fossil finch]

wdk

[glass arch]

ectoplasm? nope thats spectre armor

[fossil finch]

chloro itself could be made post plant its not outside the scope of what calamity has changed tbh

[frosty trellis]

Ig the only thing that makes sense is living shards but that is used for a billion other things

[fossil finch]

they could also just be pre plant dont think itd change literally anything

[tired haven]

I'm not sure if placing them post-ML is not the same issue as the very end one
in other words, if factories are not placed during prehm (your main exploration period), then it's an issue with clarity, but the production rate will not solve it

[small timber]

Living shard of course

[fervent orbit]

just make it so that power cell factories can be "overcharged" with auric tesla. when overcharged they have increased production rate but will break for several seconds, making the overall output still 1 cell per 15 seconds

[frosty trellis]

How would that go about being changed though since pick power shenanigans

[fossil finch]

/shrug only spawn it post plant

haphazardly throw living shards into the hallowed picks recipes

wdk

[small timber]

Instead of making perennial naturally spawn make it crafted from chlorophyte + living shard

[sleek turret]

brainstorming with no actual practice and theory thought and also just randomly throwing points to defend it

[frosty trellis]

Isn't chloro generating at the start of hardmode hardcoded? That seems like way more effort than it's worth

[golden tulip]

i really do not think it is fun that you have to place down a lot of those things just to have a decent amount of batteries and catch up with progression

[tired haven]

hypothetically you could make plantera a requirement to break chlorophyte but this will lead to like 10000 bug reports

[fossil finch]

literlaly dont think

its any more hardcoded than the altars breaking spanwing ores or anything

[tired haven]

If you place them early, 2 (which you get from one outpost) is enough

[golden tulip]

not in my experience

[wide river]

"Why can't I mine Chlorophyte"
And then it'll be a split between intended behavior and actual mod conflicts

[frosty trellis]

Yeah mod conflicts as well

[glass arch]

the reason it spawns at the start of hardmode is so it has time to grow so theres not like 50 chloro ore in your world

[fervent orbit]

boss checklist randomly unmarking plantera so it cant be mined anymore

[small timber]

Pickaxeaxe now drop from mech bosses at 1% chance instead of being craftable

[frosty trellis]

Making chloro post plant makes cross modding which is a very real thing cause more issues and is a completely unnecessary change

[fervent orbit]

oh wait this already happens with ds and sandstorms

[glass arch]

do you bossrush the entire game

[frosty trellis]

Also means you are re-tiering turtle armor for some reason

[golden tulip]

no

my current world is 45 hours

[fervent orbit]

yes. yes they do. they didnt have enough power cells from post lc to post yharon for all decryption

[fossil finch]

cross modding is a bad argument when the entire hm rework already exists

[frosty trellis]

^

[fossil finch]

then again

[wide river]

(I'm not sure what the topic is anymore I will be real)
(There are at least 3 different conversations going on and I'm confused)

[fossil finch]

make reaver pre plant

issue fixed!

like making chloro post plant is one of 24 possible alternatives on how to handle this

[fervent orbit]

now reaver overlaps with turtle for being the tank armour

[fossil finch]

kill the reaver tank armor!

issue fixed!

[fervent orbit]

speaking of turtle, its melee effects should be removed

[wide river]

That doesn't solve the issue???

[tired haven]

8200 cells which is 34.2 hours with 1 factory soloing the production 🤔

[frosty trellis]

That
Sounds
Incredibly unbalanced and unnecessary

And just kinda bloated since now we have hallowed, dead, chloro and turtle pre plant/clone so that seems really unnecessary

[fervent orbit]

YOU LITERALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT CALAMITY NOT HAVING UNIQUE SHIT NOW YOU WANT TO DELETE IT

[fossil finch]

it does fix the speciic issue noob brought up

well wdc like reaver and turtle are different niches since turtle is melee focuse

[frosty trellis]

Yeah at this point you are contradicting yourself

[tired haven]

So unless you beat the entire game with 2 factories and less than 15 hours, that sounds like something is out of order

[glass arch]

ender can you STOP GIVING ONLY ONE OPTION AS A SOLUTION TO EVERY PROBLEM AND IF YOU DO GIVE ONLY ONE CAN YOU NOT MAKE IT DELETE EVERYTHING

[regal willow]

cap

[fossil finch]

okay so then do one of 98 solutions to lock reaver armor post plant which could include:
crafting it with cores
Literally living shards even if they are used for 98 things

[fervent orbit]

star is a speedrunner confirmed
123,000 seconds or
2,050 minutes or
34 hours worth of powercells if you only have 1 factory

[glass arch]

it gets VERY TIRING when the ONLY solutions you give for issues is to just delete the semi-problematic item

[fervent orbit]

as crabbar said, 2 factories from pre boss only require around 15 hours

[tired haven]

And the pickup limit is 9999 so you don't even have to tend the factories

[frosty trellis]

Perennial is not only not really problematic in the first place but also has plans for iirc

[fossil finch]

this is partly because we do think that calamity should delte half its content but even then like
we ar ejust giving examples and its not that serious honestly

[fervent orbit]

yes, you need less than 8000 power cells for decoding

[tired haven]

(would be delightfully evil to increase their production rate but cap it at 100 cells)

[fossil finch]

crab bar thats very mean of you

[fervent orbit]

you should do this in gfb

[glass arch]

yes it does have plans
see: ench's desert perennial sugg that got 🔒ed

[tired haven]

nah gfb is 1 max
give or take

[fervent orbit]

💀

[sleek turret]

me when the mod has the stigma of it being All Caps SERIOUS MODE so it cannot have silly stuff on it outside patreon content 😇

[wide river]

Cheat Sheet download rate increases tenfold

[fossil finch]

kaizo youre being so real for that

[small timber]

Cap at 10 but introduce draedon factory line so you have to do wiring to connect an entire actual factory production line to increase the cap and production speed

And make exo mechs need 50000 power cells

[sleek turret]

not gonna sugarcoat it

[golden tulip]

like i said i only started in late hm because when you also have to account for making bases for npc housings, you dont wanna be building the entire playthrough
you could just randomly place them down in some base but cmon. 😐 that is a very unelegant solution, which i guess could be my fault

[frosty trellis]

That's what... most people do lol

I just place them next to or in by base somewhere close together with the computer

From the get go

Makes things easier to get

[tired haven]

I agree with you, but I want to stress the fact that it's the issue with factory importance not being conveyed correctly

[fossil finch]

also you killed 98 builders by saying this

[sleek turret]

Who said that.

[golden tulip]

i understand the importance of factories just fine

[fossil finch]

terraria builders when you dont wanna be building the entire playthrough (theyre desintegrating

[wide river]

I had an idea to make it so batteries had a flavor text noting the importance of the factories
Haven't suggested it yet since a conflicting suggestion is in voting at the moment

[small timber]

They also need to not mix i. To background way too well

[sleek turret]

"you don't wanna be building the entire playthrough" people when i tell them the fun in the game is also the small little things that you play with and have fun around and not just Weapons And Armor And Accessories And Bossfights

[abstract bridge]

Why can't we craft factories and chargers to the builders who want to built labs? Aren't they ever limited? I've wanted to do this before.

[golden tulip]

i will admit that this particular playthrough i started late. but cant you increase the production even a LITTLE, why are people so against any solution for batteries

[small timber]

Which currently both charging station and factory does

[tired haven]

You can't exactly see that description without either having 1 factory active or killing a repair unit, can you?

[fervent orbit]

make turrets drop cells

[abstract bridge]

That might work

[fervent orbit]

or have them be found in security chests

[wide river]

It was paired with another idea to have the batteries be required to make some of the Codebreaker parts, so people would see that when they were looking through recipes
On their own both solutions don't work, but together I think they might help

[tired haven]

For me it's because that doesn't seem like a core issue so even if the rate is buffed the complaints will continue until the mechanic is null

[fossil finch]

you have been a suggestion to my calamity honestly

[sleek turret]

it would be good in calamity tbh, but not sure if like calval adds recipe to factories and chargers since a lot of suggs that are based on "hey let's add building and vanity cool stuff" get redirected to calval suggs which sucks tbh

[golden tulip]

the factories and charging stations could be highlighted on their natural generation. there could be a tooltip somewhere. there could be another piece of text somewhere. there are plenty of solutions to note the importance of them, regardless

[wide river]

This was the idea
Byeah I haven't suggested it yet

[small timber]

I think there was another suggestion afterwards that also passed, but I dont think this had been changed?

[abstract bridge]

I checked they dont

[tired haven]

That might help, although I'm not sure if people would universally want to construct codebreaker far before starting the decoding

[fossil finch]

you are kinda allergic to worldbuilding if people not seeing the charging stations and the battery stations is a problem the solution isnt adding some text that points you to it

[wintry gale]

they are already needed for codebreaker parts but not directly
(schematics)

[fossil finch]

its making them visually interesting

[wide river]

That's less visible than seeing it in the recipes though

[small timber]

I still think one way is just have a smaller surface lab so people know lab exist earlier

[wide river]

If people don't know about the schematics then they won't know about the battery costs

[small timber]

And can make surface lab the one that have space lab pointer (did space get changed to 1st?)

[tired haven]

If you see the lab you may still miss the fact that factories are useful instead of being a background object like most of lab decor is

[fervent orbit]

no

[abstract bridge]

Sunken

[fervent orbit]

sunken sea is still 1st

sadly

[fossil finch]

valve didn't make you look up by making a character shout look up calamity needs more intentional points you to this design decisitons that arent just eext pleas ehlep

[small timber]

Which is why they should stand out more yes

[fossil finch]

true

[golden tulip]

maybe this discussion can be translated to a very cool factory related suggestion

[small timber]

Like make them glow with faint light like a machine powered and ready to get started

[fervent orbit]

tbh i just broke everything in the lab

thats how i found about power cell factories in my first pt

[sleek turret]

yeah idk make labs more interesting and more thematical or smth

[lavish condor]

I hate how the most important parts of the lab are the least eye-catching

[tired haven]

be the change you want to see in this world
(i'm lowkey interested in whether making factories and charging stations flick lights constantly would help)

[lavish condor]

that's not how you design something like that

[coral carbon]

[fossil finch]

every lab now has a Broken Contraption that's just a collector system for factories

[sleek turret]

they don't look like labs they look like small little technological outposts

[tired haven]

That's completely true

[fossil finch]

this is like when factorio special maps teach you something by having a broken setup for that

[golden tulip]

alright. give me a minute

[lavish condor]

What if we added a tooltip to the cells saying you get them from fuel stations then put cells in the chests

[fossil finch]

killing ourselves

[tired haven]

so a suggestion to remedy that fact might genuinely be the solution (aside from 1% of audience that just wants to lowkey-cheat-sheet the playthrough)

[lavish condor]

a new player will loot the chest (obviously), see the tooltip, then know to look for a station

[golden tulip]

though im not sure how much such a suggestion would help as i know devs are already aware of the problem

[fervent orbit]

ench has said this before and i brought it up in this convo too

[lavish condor]

ah

[wide river]

Lemme see if I can suggest that thing now or if I need to wait longer

[fervent orbit]

i feel like lab stuff has been talked about more in sugg disc recently

[lavish condor]

I posted a sugg about this a while ago and it got approved but no action seems to have been taken on it

[tired haven]

It makes it more publicly acknowledged and highlighted in the dev server so I'm sure there is plenty of effect there

[coral carbon]

"👍"™️

[golden tulip]

alright

[wide river]

It's been 5 days since that one so I think I'm cool to suggest it
Pretty sure it's a new cycle now

[small timber]

It would help drastically if you make cell factory/charging station the only one that do it

Because then it stands out a lot as the "potentially only maybe still working machinery in the lab", because the rest are visibly broken down and deteriorated

[golden tulip]

i love these discussions that stay friendly

[fossil finch]

you have been a suggestion discussion to our mental state

[wide river]

Once in a lifetime occurence

[tired haven]

Yeah, that's the point

Make them and only them alerting to the players

[golden tulip]

ok i have been beaten

i would add the highlighting of factories and charging stations while theyre unmined in the generated labs as well

[tired haven]

#suggestions-posting message the title could use some work imo, since relevance isn't the problem cell production faces, it's clarity

[tired haven]

and this, yeah

[golden tulip]

and PLEASE buff the production rate a little. even something like 20/min would help

[maiden elm]

this is the first thing i see when entering this channel in a while
thats so evil

[fervent orbit]

crab thats the point of the sugg tho

to make the power cells used more

[golden tulip]

yea but relevance isnt really the right word

[wide river]

No no, I get the idea

[golden tulip]

its plenty relevant, just not clear enough

[tired haven]

that's a solution to the problem, but not the problem in itself

[wide river]

How's that?

[tired haven]

Sounds good

[golden tulip]

ye

[golden tulip]

also 3rd potential solution

most elegant imo

[tired haven]

I wouldn't be opposed to a post-ML upgrade for the factories with that sort of production rate, but at their base the factories already work fast enough to the point where I have to sell them in bulk

[golden tulip]

god ive been having this discussion while playing overwatch what a fucking ride

my mind was split in half the entire time

[tired haven]

[golden tulip]

ok now we all give this a million stars and then it gets through and then it gets implemented and then happy ending

[wide river]

🙏

[golden tulip]

(also it still says these two changes at the end)

[wide river]

(Good thing I have proofreaders in the form of the people here )

[tired haven]

#suggestions-posting is such a bless for that reason
back in my day you'd post a sugg directly and then spend next 6 hours reviewing it while the stars are fleeing away

[golden tulip]

we really out here reviewing calamity mod suggestions like its a book report for school

what the fuck is a bramble crate

[wide river]

Hardmode version of Jungle Crates iirc

[tired haven]

hardmode version of jungle crate I assume

[glass arch]

yes

[golden tulip]

ok the fishing fanatics can take this one

✌🏻

[glass arch]

im not even a fishing fanatic it just came up in another server

[fossil finch]

its true

[golden tulip]

hey maybe if the future draedon armor comes around it will also maybe require batteries that could help

[wintry gale]

Me when i had to kill infernum scal with seared pan

[brazen minnow]

There should be a astral infection biome mimic

[golden tulip]

suggest it

[brazen minnow]

Ok
Just did
I tried to make it quality

[golden tulip]

epic

i think this is fine but you could make it look better by adding paragraphs

[novel belfry]

"Calamity is missing the astral infection biome mimic" just doesn't do it for me

i think it should be "Introduce a Biome Mimic for the Astral Infection"

[golden tulip]

agreed

[wide river]

Yeah, generally the title should say the solution to the problem, not just address it imo

Because that's the suggestion
A statement isn't a suggestion

[brazen minnow]

Ok

[worldly sparrow]

i feel the main issue with this is that new bosses would have to be made for the alt

its really the main thing keeping a hallowed alt from existing in vanilla right now

[golden tulip]

h

huh

[worldly sparrow]

you don't make an alternative to a biome that has bosses
and just, not add bosses to the alternative

[wide river]

I wouldn't say the Astral Infection is an "alt" to the Hallow, since they can both be present in the same world

[golden tulip]

yea lol?

[worldly sparrow]

thats not what i was getting at

[golden tulip]

where did the alt thing come from

[worldly sparrow]

was using hallow as an example

[wide river]

The suggestion states this:

The astral infection is like Calamity's counterpart to the Hallow. It's got fished-up weapons, enemy drop weapons, and even a dungeon biome chest.

[golden tulip]

oh

yea thats just not

true

i would delete that

i didnt even see that

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, also i dont even think astral would be a good alt to the hallow if it was one

[worldly sparrow]

a few notable differences between the two

such as astral ore

[cosmic karma]

also how would you craft the key for the summon?
theres no like Souls of Astral

[worldly sparrow]

they use souls of night for crimson so i can give it that one

[golden tulip]

if you use souls of night itll spawn the crimson

mimic

lol

[worldly sparrow]

jesus

[sleek turret]

i agree with this suggestion

[worldly sparrow]

cit flagged that one instantly

[sleek turret]

i agree with that suggestion too

[golden tulip]

i agree but i think theyve got em planned as stated by fabsol like 2 years ago

[sleek turret]

it would be so awesome

[north oracle]

CIT is not having this

[brazen minnow]

The devs can decide how to summon it

[worldly sparrow]

wait i misread this sugg hard

i thought the word mimic was used to describe an alt to astral lmfao

[wide river]

@civic ruin You suggested this earlier and it was flagged for the same reason
You also still have no reasoning present, and it's more of a SIS (Specific Item Suggestion) than it was before

Please read the Suggestions Don'ts Doc in the pins here before writing suggestions

[north oracle]

SIS asking about something that's not an item

[sleek turret]

specific suggestion (but a good one)

achievements are cool ngl

[worldly sparrow]

honestly achievements should be a frequently asked sugg

[cosmic karma]

can you even add achievements in tmod

like is there support for it

[worldly sparrow]

yes

technically

[wide river]

It is in there

[deft yew]

Steal this image

[wide river]

Though I doubt the status of the note

[worldly sparrow]

soon™️ means nothing when it comes to calamity

[brazen minnow]

Wait does anyone have any more ways I can improve my suggestion?

[worldly sparrow]

yharim was described as soon™️ once upon a time

until it changed to eventually™️

[golden tulip]

true but due to obvious reasons that is not the same

[sleek turret]

Soon™ (undetermined amount of time so much that you'd have a job at the time it releases)

or even college or smth

[worldly sparrow]

i'll have a wife and kids by the time yharim exits planning phase

[golden tulip]

i actually graduated and got 2 different jobs in the time that theyve said they would do biome reworks

[cosmic karma]

you would have them by the time it enters planning

[worldly sparrow]

saying yharim will come out in like, 2025 is incredibly generous at this point

[sleek turret]

doubt it tbh

[cosmic karma]

i could see yharim 2027

[worldly sparrow]

possibly

[golden tulip]

speaking truthfully i think the mod is dead before yharim arrives

[worldly sparrow]

i think terraria will actually have its true last update before yharim arrives

[north oracle]

at the moment the vast majority of the dev team is commited to making sure yharim happens
anything after that is very much a coin flip