anyone's been aggressive
#suggestions-discussion
errant cradle
royal tapir
Criticism != insulting/bashing
zenith wharf
What other reason is there to add to a small change
royal tapir
When people are telling stuff to you, they are helping you
errant cradle
^
worldly sparrow
"Feedback over an invalid suggestion should point to which rule the suggestion is violating, preferably explaining why the rule exists, without insulting the suggester for not reading the rules. There are a lot of rules to follow and it can be difficult for a newbie to understand them all right away, so please try to be as patient and informative as possible." - suggestion etiquette
north oracle
a couple of people have tried to give you more reasoning you could put into this suggestion
lavish condor
I have posted 3 instances of another reason to add a small change and you have ignored them
sour basin
isnt the majority of the community pretty fond of the healthbar anyway lol
north oracle
yeah
sour basin
its a nifty lil reference among many
worldly sparrow
isnt the majority of the community pretty fond of the healthbar anyway lol
yeah
sour basin
also its very servicable
crude geode
The majority of the community liking something != the thing is good
worldly sparrow
at the end of the day design is fully subjective
sour basin
fair i guess but like
errant cradle
I mean yeah
zenith wharf
I hate all of you it's just a ui change to look nicer. "iT wOuLd bE cOoL" isn't my reasoning
sour basin
theres not really a reason to change it
im fairly sure there are bossbar mods out there
zenith wharf
Its that I just want to have more customisation
lavish condor
there is clearly some emotion coming from Atlas. I am not good with emotions I'm gonna dip
zenith wharf
im fairly sure there are bossbar mods out there
I'm not suggesting a mod I'm suggesting adding to this one
sour basin
ik
brazen minnow
@zenith wharf I think your suggestion is good... I've added plenty of suggestions the the community here hated but I thought were really great ideas. Apparently, though, the rules in #suggestions-discussion say no suggestions just because it would be "cool". I dislike that rule.
sour basin
its not really needed
its just kind of uneccessary extra work for the devs when not many people will actually use it
thats my take at least
zenith wharf
I never said my reason was that it would be cool, you keep on thinking that's the only reason
worldly sparrow
imma head out, the less people criticizing this guy the better they can respond to people
north oracle
the point of suggestions is to point out and fix problems with the mod. Hence it's important to prove why what you want to change is an issue
thank you octo
hybrid steeple
odd geyser
I never said my reason was that it would be cool, you keep on thinking that's th...
Damn they even stole your suggestion and fixed it
zenith wharf
the point of suggestions is to point out and fix problems with the mod. Hence it...
That's bug fixes not suggestions
lavish condor
Thinking about it wouldn't this be a thing someone posts a sprite for then the devs add it? That's how resprites work right?
north oracle
That's bug fixes not suggestions
you can look at the last 4 suggestions i've posted
point out why something is an issue, and what could be done about it
errant wren
why did i come in to this
brazen minnow
Am I the only one here that actually supports 0atlas
ruby plover
cal hp bar looks okay, but it is just a straight up reference. its cooler at this poitn for it to be its own thing
small timber
The new one also have a problem now, namely "reference is bad remove please" and ignore the functionality aspect of the healthbar
odd geyser
Honestly quite 
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small timber
You just need a balance for both
zenith wharf
To make it more aesthetically pleasing. That's my reason. What's wrong with changing some pixel art
north oracle
what's wrong with the current pixel art?
errant wren
i lurk usually but damn there's a lot going on right now
sour basin
seems pretty uneccessary
zenith wharf
There's a difference between that and just "it would be cool"
sour basin
again its like
hybrid steeple
The new one also have a problem now, namely "reference is bad remove please" and...
mhm, but it's not just a reference
its literally the mgrr health bar with the name and health percentage swapped
sour basin
if it aint broke dont fix it
errant wren
time to go back into hiding i guess
wide river
seems pretty uneccessary
Maybe keep it that way until the conversation dies down
zenith wharf
if it aint broke dont fix it
Shut up
wide river
Maybe keep it that way until the conversation dies down
Frick wrong reply
sour basin
β
wide river
Whoops
ruby plover
if it aint broke dont fix it
even then, theres a lot of suggestions about making stuff that isnt broke fixed changed
sour basin
oh what were there
zenith wharf
It's not broken, I'm trying to make it better
sour basin
this is like my first messages in this channel lmao
brazen minnow
if it aint broke dont fix it
If it's a bad outdated reference make it better
lavish condor
Revengeance Mode is a reference. It has same name but isn't a near carbon copy of another mechanic.
The healthbar is ripped. It is a near carbon copy of mgr's and serves the same function
ruby plover
you can still make stuff better, which is cool and good
zenith wharf
That's the whole point
errant cradle
Keep that up and I'm escalating to a Warn
lavish condor
As respectfully as possible, you may want to step away from the screen and calm down a bit
small timber
mhm, but it's not *just* a reference
its literally the mgrr health bar with the ...
Reference (direct copy I know) is not inherently problematic, the problem usually comes when the mods force insert way too many reference
zenith wharf
How am I being aggressive and yet I get warned but everyone else can keep doing it and hate me for wanting this small change and it's fine
sour basin
i mean it's not the worst change i just dont think it would see much use
ruby plover
i think we were mostly just tryin to make your suggestion more valid dude
people do agree with the idea
sour basin
because most peopel already like the current healthbar
royal tapir
Mattik, it's not worth it
small timber
In this case yes it is a direct copy of mgrr, but at the sametime functionality wise it does everything it have to do as a healthbar well
hybrid steeple
Reference (direct copy I know) is not inherently problematic, the problem usuall...
yes, but directly ripped asset in big mod's major ui elements is a problem imo
zenith wharf
i think we were mostly just tryin to make your suggestion more valid dude
Ik but you are all doing it in a terrible way
north oracle
we're trying to get the exclamation removed from your suggestion so it can go to voting
sour basin
yes, but directly ripped asset in big mod's major ui elements is a problem imo
i mean fair actually
but doesnt calmaity have tons of other technically copyright stuff
brazen minnow
Let's conclude that your suggestion is good.
zenith wharf
Then stop saying what I'm doing wrong and say what can be done about it. Think of a reason and tell me if your trying to help
worldly sparrow
but doesnt calmaity have tons of other technically copyright stuff
the design of the healthbar in mgr isnt copyrighted
north oracle
someone gave you a reason 3 times
After you didn't take it and use it, someone else wrote a suggestion revolving around that reason
worldly sparrow
yeah yeah
small timber
yes, but directly ripped asset in big mod's major ui elements is a problem imo
There is vanilla health bar that is activated by default now, and not really "ripped asset" is not entirely true, I am almost certain they build it from scratch to just look alike
errant cradle
I don't think Cal outright rips a lot of things outside of the Boss Bar
brazen minnow
but doesnt calmaity have tons of other technically copyright stuff
Calamity is a free mod = no copyright issues
hybrid steeple
I don't think Cal outright rips a lot of things outside of the Boss Bar
yeah
sour basin
fair
ruby plover
there are a few dono items that are practically straight functional rips, but even then thats different... and its donor
zenith wharf
The minimap and health/mana bar can be changed so that should be added to calamity mod boss bar too. That's literally in the suggestion
wide river
Calamity is a free mod = no copyright issues
Not really
Several past themes for bosses had to be removed due to copyright issues
small timber
And also still: it being a direct copy is not really an inherent problematic aspect to the point that you have to ignore its functionality aspect completely
ruby plover
though a lot of the ror references are functional rips too. even then, different
hybrid steeple
and the other ones are references like the minos prime sound clip on the ultrakill guns
north oracle
donor items are donor items
hybrid steeple
and not major parts of the mods ui
north oracle
they're like... entirely their own things
sour basin
when we getting our project moon game references smh
small timber
Many mods have way more reference to other culture in even more direct way
royal tapir
Cursed
ruby plover
hence why i said yeah donor item
sour basin
it would be so funny
ruby plover
donor problemo
sour basin
hilarious even
brazen minnow
This conflict has gotten more heated up than when I asked for a rogue weapon for the nights then terra then elemental then exo line
north oracle
lmao
errant cradle
lo
ruby plover
i mean
wide river
Same thing
lavish condor
was gonna say
zenith wharf
Wow so did everyone just drop the subject without even helping
royal tapir
Real
ruby plover
terraria !
north oracle
just rip a boss bar from a different game!
lavish condor
Wow so did everyone just drop the subject without even helping
I tried to help and you ignored me to the point someone else took my idea and made their own suggestion before you acknowledged mine
zenith wharf
This whole time you were "trying to help" and yet didn't give me a better reason
sour basin
i mean like this is a cool thing
hybrid steeple
And also still: it being a direct copy is not really an inherent problematic asp...
the new healthbar can be just as functional as the old one
its just its functionality isnt the point here
lavish condor
I think it's fair to conclude you don't actually want help
zenith wharf
I tried to help and you ignored me to the point someone else took my idea and ma...
Ik u were helping at least
brazen minnow
Use Infernum
Just for the hp bar
zenith wharf
Yes I can get another mod
ruby plover
nothing against making the suggestion at least
zenith wharf
But I'm not talking about getting another flipping mod
ruby plover
like, there are loads of thing you could change in calamity by adding a new mod/making your own
zenith wharf
I'm talking about THIS mod
sour basin
what does infernum hp bar look like again
ruby plover
you can still change it in the base mod though, if it seems worthy
zenith wharf
Oh just flipping forget it
worldly sparrow
what does infernum hp bar look like again
i forgor but personally i just dont like it
zenith wharf
Almost nobody gave a single reason
hybrid steeple
you can say fuck here 
wide river
what does infernum hp bar look like again
Uhhhhhh
I can't describe it off the top of my head, but it has indicators of phase transitions and how many phases there are iirc
north oracle
i like how it clearly shows subphases
sour basin
i mean actually
royal tapir
Infernum shows phases, but the actual health is smaller so like
north oracle
other than that, most of the info is a bit small
sour basin
that oculd be a interesting thought
make the boss bars in calamity show the phases for functionality
worldly sparrow
i like how it clearly shows subphases
yeah, that's actually useful for some bosses
sour basin
or sometjhng liek that
worldly sparrow
cough cough yharon
north oracle
lol, yeah
zenith wharf
Well at least this does something
lavish condor
Yharon having like 8 subphases
royal tapir
Memorization πͺ
worldly sparrow
ofc cit says that when yharon is being talked about
north oracle
i know when the phase changes are, roughly
but llike
i'm not memorising his attacks
royal tapir
I just have good memory in general when I feel like it
ruby plover
i dont think a phase notch thing is ever necessary, especially for base cal where theres less phase mischief
errant cradle
All I know is
sour basin
imagine getting up to yharon
wide river
So true
crude geode
so true
sour basin
i just got up to old duke and forgot about the game for a year
ruby plover
its not necesasry for infernum either though, so id vote for it here if it was made
either way
new visuals pog
zenith wharf
I also feel like I shouldn't have to think of every single atom of every reason when common sense exists
lavish condor
is fancy visuals a thing mods can add to boss healthbars? I'd love to see a brand new healthbar in modern Cal's style
worldly sparrow
I also feel like I shouldn't have to think of every single atom of every reason ...
if your reasoning for a suggestion is to "use common sense" you won't get votes because some people don't HAVE common sense
wide river
Octo you should change the sugg title to include the word rework
Vergil gif 
Yes I am going to meme on that suggestion until either I forget about it or it gets old
lavish condor
did you just link to a google search
hybrid steeple
Vergil gif <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
~~Yes I am going to meme on that sug...
REAL
royal tapir
I have a suspicion this wouldn't pass in dev anyway, since the reasoning, while sufficient to pass suggestion-posting, seems to be little more than "It's an MGRR reference"
coral carbon
this is what the thing was btw
help, my infernum is dying, even on the lowest graphical settings!
ruby plover
looks cooler in action methinks
sour basin
north oracle
i don't like it much tbh
ruby plover
and also yeah its subjective
brazen minnow
Best image I could find
north oracle
it's too hard to see the hp numbers
lavish condor
I wish infernum healthbar gave the overall health easier
ruby plover
i just use it for infernum if im playing cos of the phase splits
north oracle
a combination of different aspects of cal's one and inf's one would be fantastic
wide river
help, my infernum is dying, even on the lowest graphical settings!
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lavish condor
it only gives the percent in a funny font
hybrid steeple
REAL
"give some of this type of stealth strike to more weapons. also vergil is here"
worldly sparrow
it's too hard to see the hp numbers
that, and it's too small for my liking
brazen minnow
that, and it's too small for my liking
True
small timber
the new healthbar can be just as functional as the old one
its just its function...
Ok clearly this is going circle, but tldr:
The main problem I have with the suggestion is that it is trying to dispute the old healthbar completely based off of a "ripped off asset" issue eventhough the copy aspect is not inherently bad
The problem is not "it can be done better", everything can be done better, the problem is the suggestion just want a change entirely because of aesthetic reasoning over a copy issue rather than to evaluate it from all aspect of what a healthbar is supposed to do
You could at the very least, tackle some of the functionality aspect of the current healthbar and why a potential change so that it is not entirely stucked on the old mgrr design can help with improvement (eg: some example shown above like showing subphase), which will not happen if they stick with mgrr entirely
errant cradle
Don't rhhink so
small timber
But yeah that is the tldr of my take on it
sour basin
oh the misery
wide river
wait does calamity have any project moon references
TSA might if you really want one
royal tapir
The what
errant cradle
Yeah looking up Project Moon on the wiki just brings up Touhou
ruby plover
same thing
royal tapir
Unfamiliar words
brazen minnow
I just realized copying a Google search link reveals too much
Dangdarndamdangdarn
sour basin
for those who dont know (everyone)
royal tapir
Least insane Project Moon fan
errant cradle
Well there we go ig
small timber
I have a suspicion this wouldn't pass in dev anyway, since the reasoning, while ...
Yeah my problem with the suggestion is basically this, CIT sum it up well
The suggestion ended at "mgrr reference bad remove please"
hybrid steeple
i feel like yall are minimizing the difference between "mgrr reference" and "this is the healthbar from mgrr. in our mod. almost entirely unchanged. as the official modded boss healthbar style"
brazen minnow
How therapeutic
ruby plover
admittedly its not a super big reasoning
like as much as i agree with it wholeheartedly
i hope it passes in dev but i doubt it
if it even gets there
sour basin
wait
shouldnt there be some sort of system to give things that people like votes
lol
that seems like a good thing
small timber
Imo this is my take:
Suggestion is not really saying why a change should happen
Suggestion is about convincing the dev why a change should happen
Therefore it basically need a solid argument of why a change is good and an improvement rather than can be just "imo this is a better solution", because the reasoning will have to be more applicable to more people
Hence why I think the suggestion should tackle functionality not just the reference problem, because it can be as easy as the dev just say "yeah what if we like the mgrr style". Functionality reasoning is more universally understandable for more people and stand as a solid argument
crude geode
Tackling functionality would be pretty good and add a bit more meat to the sugg
royal tapir
Yes
From reading it over again, the only other reasoning I see is "You see it in every boss fight"
errant wren
i'm gonna be honest i forgot calamity had a boss health bar thing
crude geode
tho one could argue it as a separate sugg
sour basin
tbf it is a directly ripped asset
ruby plover
i dont think many would care super much in there about it being directly ripped if it works
which i mean
sour basin
also it took me like until now to realize youre that nohitter guy lmao
crude geode
damn he's that nohitter guy
sour basin
Yes .
north oracle
damn it's that nohitter guy
sour basin
it would be so funny
sleek turret
yeah i agree with this sugg
errant wren
oh it's that nohitter guy?
sour basin
if that guy who made the terraria on a dancepad thing
would do calamity with it
it would be hilarious
crude geode
I'm surprised a mod hasn't put the β on it but it's not like it's invalid
wide river
Sorbet Cafe, was it?
sleek turret
the sugg is def valid tbh
ornate kestrel
Valid suggestion
wide river
It do be a suggestion
crude geode
so called free thinkers when the sugg is valid
ornate kestrel
They could just make a second health bar that has an original design
Give 2 options if that's possible
sour basin
fair enough
crude geode
I'm hesitating to bring it up, mostly bc it's more of a personal gripe that's hella subjective and completely invalid for reasoning, but the current healthbar also feels extremely lazy.
sleek turret
sugg free thinking is when i discard all rules and also the idea that the mod must be Serious Mode and just like suggs that add sillyness or stuff to play around to the game π
ornate kestrel
The current one doesn't have to go, just I would prefer another style
cobalt pewter
right now I'm just content with using vanilla health bar because it just looks more appealing despite slightly lacking info
ornate kestrel
Yeah
sour basin
mgrr bar looks cooler though
ornate kestrel
I kinda like infernums but also don't
royal tapir
damn im that nohitter guy
omg it's the nohitter guy
cobalt pewter
plus I have a texture pack that adds lines to vanilla healthbar per 10%
ruby plover
π
cobalt pewter
so it already is a big help
crude geode
@hybrid steeple you gonna bring up functionality to try and really put more into it?
ornate kestrel
I'm conflicted with infernums health bar
sour basin
i played infernum like once
cobalt pewter
mgrr bar looks cooler though
nah it looks like 5yo dogshit 
wide river
omg it's the nohitter guy
So-called "free thinkers" when the nohitter guy
cobalt pewter
it's unpolished mess
royal tapir
So-called "free thinkers" when the nohitter guy
imstuff
sleek turret
a. Reference
b. Reference
royal tapir
Literally me
crude geode
why tf does this channel still have gif embed perms
sleek turret
the funny
undone cedar
Dont tell the public this but its so people can post funny gifs
undone cedar
coral carbon
~~why tf does this channel still have gif embed perms~~
so we can post vergil gifs for our suggestions
undone cedar
Actually probably for gameplay related embed purposes
sleek turret
byeah i like this sugg and i'd like to see more unique boss healthbars or idk
undone cedar
Also doesnt get enough gif spam to warrant removal?
crude geode
Actually probably for gameplay related embed purposes
yeah that's what I figured, cuz I assume gif embed would also cancel anyone trying to like. showcase anything?
cobalt pewter
now you've done it
no more gifs
sour basin
real
undone cedar
yeah that's what I figured, cuz I assume gif embed would also cancel anyone tryi...
It would
You either can embed everything or nothing pretty much
sour basin
can the boss bar be a metal pipe
with zero functionality
actuallly thats a great ide afor a mod
now that i think about it
sleek turret
i lack video game culture so like every hp bar i've seen it's just the usual bar or no bar at all
sleek turret
real gangsta make bosses have distinct sprites based on their hp
crude geode
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832339195863105626.webp?size=48&name=bruhgalia...
mfw nitroless
crude geode
yes
sour basin
absolutley sickeingin behavior
crude geode
I eat the poor
small timber
also I still think functionality wise this is the best approach except for maybe showing HP percentage or something as an option
buoyant idol
real gangsta make bosses have distinct sprites based on their hp
Gonna suggest that soon
undone cedar
I eat the poor
Ur pfp is literally chiyari tho that mfs homeless
sleek turret
suggests sugg
accepted
π₯ Limbo π₯
crude geode
something something implication
crude geode
Ur pfp is literally chiyari tho that mfs homeless
yeah <3
crude geode
anyways yeah leaving since we've devolved into spam atp
serene tendon
@hybrid steeple I think this is a case of "if you don't like it don't use it". There are plenty of good bossbar mods out there and you can always use the vanilla one
hybrid steeple
im going to explode
serene tendon
I don't see how having the bossbar reference another game is any more problematic than having the Murasama in the game
crude geode
'if you don't like it don't use it' isn't. a great argument in this instance tbfh
hybrid steeple
this isnt me personally disliking the look of the healthbar its the fact that the healthbar is ripped from metal gear
crude geode
I don't see how having the bossbar reference another game is any more problemati...
bc murasama is a single weapon used for 1% of the game? while the healthbar is in every boss fight?
serene tendon
bc murasama is a single weapon used for 1% of the game? while the healthbar is i...
They're both just references
sleek turret
"don't like it don't use it" people when i tell them that it's still content being added and that we suggest this shit so that it isn't left to rot in the game for years
sour basin
it would be cool
serene tendon
If Konami cared they'd say something
crude geode
If Konami cared they'd say something
what.
undone cedar
This isnt about the mgr devs caring
sleek turret
"oh we shouldn't change X because nobody likes it"
if nobody likes it it's because of a reason, right?
serene tendon
"don't like it don't use it" people when i tell them that it's still content bei...
The argument applies more to UI than game features
sleek turret
ui are game features
serene tendon
You know what I mean
crude geode
The argument applies most to weapons.
hybrid steeple
"don't like it don't use it" people when i tell them that it's still content bei...
REAL
anyways i added some more reasoning
remembered cal has some other ui elements for the boss bar to be inconsistent and out of place with
cobalt pewter
amazing
hybrid steeple
REAL
sleek turret
ui elements are anything that gives you like idk information about your stuff really
undone cedar
no one in this chat does
Playing calamity and suggesting changes are mutually exclusive tbf
undone cedar
join pmcord mf
No
Big servers scary
sleek turret
wing time for example was a quite obscure stat to be shown (only seen in like, your mind calculating the time and Wing Time Hair Dye)
bright crag
Playing calamity and suggesting changes are mutually exclusive tbf
(To be clear, I'm kidding)
Me suggesting changes to features that I don't experience
sleek turret
it would be so fucked up if adrenaline was a totally audio recognizable mechanic
sour basin
calamity?
bright crag
sour basin
wtf is calamity dude
undone cedar
https://tenor.com/view/invisible-food-no-food-no-food-cooking-cooking-invisible-...
So delicious!
sour basin
peakest meal
bright crag
π
sleek turret
michelin quality food
crude geode
https://tenor.com/view/invisible-food-no-food-no-food-cooking-cooking-invisible-...
average cal enjoyer preparing exploration
sour basin
oh yeah
wide river
Rate this restaurant 5 stars on yelp
sour basin
am i the only one who finds old duke difficult
hybrid steeple
https://tenor.com/view/invisible-food-no-food-no-food-cooking-cooking-invisible-...
who let the invisible man cook
crude geode
Rate this restaurant 5 stars on yelp
β β β β β
sleek turret
optional boss fight i guess meant to be like harder than the other bosses you fight in the almost same tier
sleek turret
the completionist's curse
crude geode
boss checklist mfers when I show them nonlinearity
sour basin
i must do what i must do
hybrid steeple
just be me and fight old duke first and still get stuck on dog
crude geode
sour basin
you know
i played like 3 seconds of touhou 6 thinking
ohh i played bullet heaven 2 on kongregate when i was like 1 year old
im sure this will be fine
spoiler alert it wasnt
small timber
(To be clear, I'm kidding)
Me suggesting changes to features that I don't experi...
If you are trying to make suggestions, make sure you have never played the mod
We want suggestions to be purely based off new player first hand experience because we want to make sure we are catered towards player who had never played the mod before because 90% of playerbase played the mod once and never play it again
Therefore experienced player stop ruining our mod by suggesting stuff like nerf defense just because you are experienced with the bosses, or uhhhh, "remove references" because those references might be one attracting factor for new player coming from a different game
IDK
hybrid steeple
REAL
cobalt pewter
#suggestions-discussion residents have a phd in derailing chats
hybrid steeple
<#465195069406707722> residents have a phd in derailing chats
no thats lore discussion
hybrid steeple
real
crude geode
If you are trying to make suggestions, make sure you have never played the mod
...
bro is spitting π₯
sour basin
i dont read messages longer than 3 words
buoyant idol
<#465195069406707722> residents have a phd in derailing chats
Remember that alignment chart a couple months ago?
buoyant idol
Me, who has uninstalled almost all social media to increase attention span:
sleek turret
byeah the sugg is good
buoyant idol
Agreed
north oracle
this one
sour basin
all yuou need to do to icnrease attention span is not be between the ages of 0 and 14
wide river
byeah the sugg is good
I love how we took 20 minutes to arrive at the same conclusion
sour basin
easy as that
sleek turret
yeah because y'all derail the convo like 3-5 times
sour basin
it has. more nuacne though
sleek turret
so atleast one has to come up with like an agreement
sour basin
wait there are pins??????????????
sour basin
oh my god thas so many letters
crude geode
north oracle
shame that it isn't pinned but whatsapp is
i'm in both so i don't care :p
sour basin
whyy is there no su bways surfers footage
wide river
The pins are a collective hallucination made by Discord to get you to click more stuff
sour basin
this server sucks
coral carbon
all yuou need to do to icnrease attention span is not be between the ages of 0 a...
subway surfers skibidi toilet ohio bussin rizz skibidi bop bop bop brum burm brum brum dop dop dop hey peter what are you doing crack what the fuck hey at least im not drinking brain ohio
sour basin
True!
sleek turret
there were never pins in this channel i just make up the sugg without reading the rules and stuff because i use my own "yea this should be fine" sense
wide river
subway surfers skibidi toilet ohio bussin rizz skibidi bop bop bop brum burm bru...
This is what the internet feels like today
hybrid steeple
toriel undertale
crude geode
sour basin
toriel undertale
What .. . .
crude geode
they're spitting facts wdym
sour basin
isnt that like that one youkai that tries to kill you out of sheer rage or smth
idk i dind tplay the game
royal tapir
Wacky channel
sour basin
this is supposed to be unhinged??????
errant cradle
never enter sugg discussion at 3am
wide river
This place is gen-media but memes aren't outright banned
sleek turret
Be silly.
sour basin
what kinda world do we live in
sleek turret
Allow non-serious stuff to be added to the game.
sour basin
he yacutlaly
novel belfry
Allow non-serious stuff to be added to the game.
north oracle
lol
hybrid steeple
jupi old pfp,,,,
north oracle
i just like that me, jupi, and MPG make up a corner
drowsy plank
Erm actually bozo its both
alch flask already does the first effect, the only new effect is the bees on hit
which is dumb
lucid marsh
All of the wearer's attacks spawn homing plague seekers upon hitting an enemy.
Plague seekers deal 25% damage of the attack that spawned them, capped at 30 damage.
you said it like that wasn't the case with the earlier one
that said, the seeker spawning effect should be moved to the PBG expert mode drop and the rest of the item should be removed
small timber
yo is that the accessory that is better than elemental quiver
lucid marsh
yes
situationally
in practice it is probably never actually better
but its still very good
again, situationally
small timber
you can make it better than elemental quiver
north oracle
i think the big thing that stops it from ever being better with fast weapons is "up to 3 seekers can exist at a time"
lucid marsh
against an enemy with zero defense and dammage reduction it can increase your damage by 45% not counting the debuff
wait can only 3 exist at a time? I didn't notice that
I guess it makes sense
small timber
just have to do these 123 easy steps:
- hit the enemy so many times with majestic guard that the boss have 0 defense
lucid marsh
feels lame because then you can't optimize for it
small timber
turns out when you uncapped everything everything broke so you have to cap everything
lucid marsh
yeah sure
small timber
like daedalus rogue armor, duststorm, nanotech, whatever
lucid marsh
but you could swap the "only 3 at a time" for "seekers last 1.2 seconds max"
small timber
rogue prove how stupid on-hit/additional projctile is
that is basically uncapped because the seekers only have to hit once
if you put it 0.5 seconds that is basically uncapped if you play a ranger weapon at point blank range
if you put it 0.1 seconds that is basically uncapped if you sit inside boss hitbox at true melee range
crude geode
yeah uncapping would be dumb
lucid marsh
the seeker spawns from the imapct point but doesn't hit for a few frames minimum
it works like terra bullets
actually it basically is just "turn every weapon into terra bullets"
fossil finch
Professional xd
north oracle
Huh, it doesnβt? Yeah it definitely should iirc, good find
hollow shell
@lyric depot You know the weapon isn't called Tyrant Yharim's Ultisword anymore, right?
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Blighted_Cleaver
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Defiled_Greatsword
Doesn't have a direct connection to Yharim anymore
@ashen warren Yep a significant Yharon resprite has been in the works for, uhhh, years actually
It was such a big project that not a lot of spriters felt capable of taking it up and it just kinda stagnated for a long time
(how do I seriously not have the most recent iteration saved
Oh well)
One of the most recent ones, and an older one
cobalt pewter
in short: it's planned but won't be a thing for a LONG while
ashen warren
I would really like to see that ingame. It fits him so well and it's gonna be absolutely epic. Such a great boss deserves that resprite
hollow shell
indeed
distant gyro
500,000 pixels later
cobalt pewter
500,000 pixels later
what a deal
distant gyro
hollow shell
Alas it'll be a mega bastard to finish
All the animations, all the other poses
ruby plover
top 10 "it'll be awesome when its done, i can feel the sheer pain of working on it though" things
he'll get his love in x years
wintry gale
Alas it'll be a mega bastard to finish
All the animations, all the other poses
doesnt matter how much time it takes
if it comes to life some day, im already very happy with it
lyric depot
<@586310485318565900> You know the weapon isn't called Tyrant Yharim's Ultisword...
Damn, I'm in 1.4.3 but mine still says "Yharim's ultisword"
distant gyro
it is the inevitability of being in 1.4.3
distant gyro
1.3 is better
lyric depot
I can't go to 1.4.4 because most mods aren't even updated yet
vagrant spindle
1.3 is better <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
i love 1.3 i wish game ran out of memory was real
lyric depot
But I still want to know what you're going to do with Yharims ultisword. Is it a scrapped weapon or is it going to be implemented when the inevitable (most likely forgotten) jungle tyrant boss release
cobalt pewter
they're already renamed, and iirc they might be reworked eventually tm
vagrant spindle
yharim's sword will be a different weapon entirely
cobalt pewter
yharim will have a different thing most likely
yharim should just have clacker balls as weapon
break the edgy mold
vagrant spindle
yharim joestar
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
ah yes, from the exo balls enthusiast
cobalt pewter
you know me
distant gyro
lyric depot
Probably have nanomachines that hardens in response to physical trauma
cobalt pewter
but honestly yeah, yharim could be fun with an entirely unique weapon that isn't inherently trying to be edgy
but they'll cross the bridge when they get there
golden tulip
But I still want to know what you're going to do with Yharims ultisword. Is it a...
i think youre too caught up in the old lore
ultisword line is not connected to yharim anymore, and yharim is not a jungle tyrant anymore
lyric depot
Wait, then what is he then?
golden tulip
well
read the lore
lyric depot
I have not learned about most of the new lore yet
golden tulip
i cant simply explain it also because i dont know
distant gyro
tl;dr godseeker
coral carbon
I have not learned about most of the new lore yet
read the pinned lore doc in #lore-discussion
lyric depot
read the pinned lore doc in <#568192082473386020>
I ain't reading all that
hollow shell
Damn, I'm in 1.4.3 but mine still says "Yharim's ultisword"
ah well there's your problem
Outdated
coral carbon
I ain't reading all that
"Idk the lore"
"read this, it contains all the lore we have."
"nah"
hollow shell
Calamity isn't updating 1.4.3 and 1.4.4 concurrently, they've moved on completely to 1.4.4
coral carbon
yeah you already said that
lyric depot
Just tell me what he is bro. Is he a seeker or something
lyric depot
yeah you already said that <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
I just wanted to post that
coral carbon
Just tell me what he is bro. Is he a seeker or something
His objective was to kill all gods due to learning of the genocide against dragons
thus earning him many titles
Tyrant King Yharim, Godseeker Yharim, etc
lyric depot
That explains it
hollow shell
Yharim wants to kill all the Gods, because Gods are entities that have slain and absorbed the Auric souls of Dragons, and he wants to avenge the deaths of those Dragons
coral carbon
yeah what he said π£οΈ
hollow shell
Aight see ya later
sand marlin
i love 1.3 i wish game ran out of memory was real
It still is
lucid marsh
That guy gives me bad vibes
cobalt pewter
??
lucid marsh
The bob guy
lyric depot
That guy gives me bad vibes
What do you mean by that?
north oracle
<@456226577798135808> Yep a significant Yharon resprite has been in the works fo...
HPU is merely the latest sacrifice to yharon resprite hell
fossil finch
awesome
grim tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1149021498980450376/image.png most recent is on the right (wings are not done lol)
north oracle
(The new general structure of the wings looks much more realistic)
grim tusk
^
ashen warren
i love how i never noticed this
random pasture
Shhhh don't worry about it
deft yew
(The new general structure of the wings looks much more realistic)
Iβm not really sure how the unfinished one looks unrealistic
livid coral
timber temple
your addicted to birds?
glass arch
marv did you miss the part where he had an entire channel dedicated to birds in ccc
buoyant idol
Ngl just remove Yharonβs wings, just make him fly using sheer force of anger
deft yew
Komodo dragon
small timber
just give the entire yharon wing like shiny flame effect so you can't see the details
just blur yharon's sprite with flame so much that you don't have to draw details
glass arch
something something infernum yharon
timber temple
oh look its yugioh
golden sonnet
Do you play ygo marv? Or just know it
small timber
I active pot of pain, it allows me to draw
small timber
Do you play ygo marv? Or just know it
(no I don't, I just watched yugioh abridged that 1 time)
golden sonnet
(no I don't, I just watched yugioh abridged that 1 time)
you aren't Marv that's understandable
timber temple
Do you play ygo marv? Or just know it
i watched uh majority of the shows im not into card games thougj
same thing with digimon lmao
golden sonnet
Ah, ok. Was curious as I thought it could be fun to play against each other
small timber
~~you aren't Marv~~ that's understandable
I thought "yugioh marv" is a game
fervent orbit
golden sonnet
Lmao
small timber
ok off topic so uhh, let me just drop this, again
last time it got decent votes but got cuked by sulphurous wall suggestion no.N
surely this time it will not happen again
random pasture
Surely
golden sonnet
"this is especially worse for revengence mode where it can charge randomly charge" should be fixed (second to last paragraph)
Besides that looks good 
small timber
ok yeah fixed that
golden sonnet
Looks good
Also, in the last part you say "significantly solve" which in my opinion sounds weird. Just using Solve, or completely solve, or significantly Help would read better
stable kiln
its a weapon you get after wall of flesh by that point the chances of you not at least having a gun are so slim
this is such a small nitpick lmao
wide river
Tactical Plague Engine and Cosmic Viper Engine would have to follow the same logic if this is added
Otherwise it creates an inconsistency
wintry gale
Tactical Plague Engine and Cosmic Viper Engine would have to follow the same log...
Ah yeah
I didnt know about these two
coral carbon
just blur yharon's sprite with flame so much that you don't have to draw details
EGYPTIAN GOD CARD
frosty trellis
Dragon God Yharon return (Real) (Totally Not Fake) (Totally not a terrible fucking idea)
drowsy plank
its a weapon you get after wall of flesh by that point the chances of you not at...
i mean if ur not playing ranged and you go through the normal preHM bosses (minus deerclops) you could fairly easily avoid getting a gun. if you skip evil1. and also if WoF doesn't drop one. i guess
frosty trellis
i mean if ur not playing ranged and you go through the normal preHM bosses (minu...
WoF drops Clockwork Assault Rifle what
glass arch
the real question is
drowsy plank
still CAR is a % chance so it is possible, i guess
glass arch
what do you really need arms dealer for if you arent playing ranged
drowsy plank
...black hawk
frosty trellis
Bullets for Black Hawk
drowsy plank
yeah
wide river
Easy source of bullets to fuel the aforementioned Summon weapons
glass arch
blawk hawk
frosty trellis
But TPE
drowsy plank
>blawk hawk
what does this mean that is literally just what it is called >=U
glass arch
its called black hawk not blawk hawk
drowsy plank
oh lol
frosty trellis
Yeah I typo'd by accident
drowsy plank
im very tired i was programming for the past 3 hours
glass arch
anyways yeah by the time you're in hardmode to even have black hawk in the first place its not gonna be that hard to get a gun
also
you dont even need a gun for for him to move in you only need bullets
wide river
It's gun/bullets
Either works
glass arch
and bullets are significantly easier to come by than a gun
wide river
You'd need to like
Ignore Shadow Orbs/Crimson Hearts, never break any pots (when in Hardmode), and not take any of the many guns and bullets from misc chests across the game to not trigger the Arms Dealer's spawn condition
stable kiln
i mean if ur not playing ranged and you go through the normal preHM bosses (minu...
destroying a shadow orb Always drops the gun variant of either crimson or corruption first time
and without shadow orbs you can't get a goblin invasion
so no that's not true really
drowsy plank
can't you still use the battle standard?
glass arch
yeah battle standard doesnt need the orbs iirc
ashen warren
tbf who uses that instead of orbs
coral carbon
battle standard is so inconvenient
ashen warren
it takes an eternity to get enough cloth to craft it
drowsy plank
people who hate evil1
coral carbon
fargo reference (eternity)
ashen warren
i dont see a reason to not add this, but i also dont really see much of a reason to add it either
drowsy plank
it can't hurt because clearly this guy somehow managed to do it
coral carbon
in what circumstance would you be post wof and not have a gun or bullets
drowsy plank
so
coral carbon
ig so
drowsy plank
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
golden sonnet
it can't hurt because clearly this guy somehow managed to do it
This is incredibly unlikely to happen in a normal playthrough, if they actually had this happen. Fucking how.
wide river
Can't hurt, but like
Why
golden sonnet
Can't hurt, but like
Why
makes the top 20% easier
drowsy plank
for this dude who managed to skip all the guns
wide river
~~makes the top 20% easier~~
TRUE
Still iffy on it, but I suppose it's not entirely invalid
I feel the current reasoning is weak imo but that's just me
drowsy plank
the reasoning is it is possible to get a BHR without getting gun dealer
shrimply
that being a possible annoyance is reason enough
golden sonnet
Gunless% got easier
glass arch
can't hurt!!!
i know exactly how you would actually say this
i dont know how to feel about this
drowsy plank
lmao
silver bramble
Acidwood Fence
wide river
What did the user mean by this
regal willow
fences made of acidwood, duh
royal tapir
the reasoning is it is possible to get a BHR without getting gun dealer
Clearly we just make it so that BHR drops with 100 Musket Balls
clue
drowsy plank
clueful
regal willow
balls
sleek turret
What did the user mean by this
Acidwood Fence
regal willow
true
north oracle
it takes an eternity to get enough cloth to craft it
it takes like 5 minutes
wide river
My point is that there is no Acidwood Fence.
I see one suggestion asking for that, but it was from November of last year, so you could write another one up if you'd like
Though do note that suggestions like that are often backlogged due to tiles needing sprites
And sprites take time to make
silver bramble
Consider: the Smart Phone. Combine every event summoning item, the Cosmolight, the Torrential Tear, and the Shellphone to create it. It lets you access just about everything.
Alas, it would take a while to design a screen filled with apps to click and do things.
But wouldn't it be silly for this legendary, all-powerful hero to summon Draedon by just... dialing his number into the phone?
'Hi, Draedon, I hacked your computer and installed its OS onto my phone. Exo Mechs please?'
coral carbon
"Draedon why wont you respond I sent you 7000 power cells π₯Ί"
lucid marsh
exo prisms should count as a single infinite power cell
frosty trellis
Counterpoint: It's post exos and the prism isn't compatable with the chargers
lucid marsh
I suppose it wouldn't be useful at that point
silver bramble
It not being useful at that point is exactly the reason to add it. Barely alters balance but if you decide to use powered items for any reason it's very helpful.
Albeit expensive.
It's perfect in its uselessness.
wide river
?
Why would a feature get added if it serves literally no point to exist
If you've defeated Exos then you have much better equipment than the post-DoG arsenal weapons
Hmm
This reminds me of something
Hmm
Feedback welcome, I don't think this one is very strong
Remove Energy Cores
Energy Cores are a material dropped by Wulfrum enemies, but only when "supercharged" by Wulfrum Amplifiers. They're used to craft 7 of the 16 Wulfrum items, which is almost half of the total amount. Energy Cores are also used to fuel Wulfrum Lures, but the enemies that spawn from that have no drops that other Wulfrum enemies don't already have in their drop pools. They have no other uses besides this, making them entirely useless once you craft maybe one or two items, with three in the case of Summoners. The items that Energy Cores make could easily have their Wulfrum Metal Scrap costs increased to compensate for their removal, so that's not hard to fix at all. In short, Energy Cores are largely just filler items and should be removed.
coral carbon
I never really thought about that tbh
wide river
Pretty sure they used to only craft the Wulfrum Armor before the Wulfrum rework
(At least, that's what I remember anyway)
sleek turret
yeah i agree with chaos' sugg
silver bramble
Again, I look at Cynosure and I think that would work well for what the player character is supposed to be by the end.
Terraria itself bowing to the character - I mean, the phone wouldn't even be the source of the powers, it would just be a conduit. The player is just telling the world 'Alright, I want it to rain, be midnight, and be a Blood Moon', and the world is like 'Okay'.
A device to bend reality to your whims, call forth enemies to slaughter at your will.
drowsy plank
this is definetly a SiS kinda but
idk i think it conveys the idea enough of reducing inventory clutter by merging common inventory items
but also why would you need to merge event spawners? do people carry those around?
silver bramble
Well, no.
So maybe there'd be two tiers?
The basic EverythingPhone, and then an improved EverythingPhone with an event summoning menu.
The Solar Eclipse and the Moons are rather important in post-Moon Lord so at the very least those could be included.
Maybe a phone with, like, sockets, so you could add functionality by adding items.
Would probably be far too complex though.
drowsy plank
well no the moons are dying
wide river
Terraria itself bowing to the character - I mean, the phone wouldn't even be the...
Me when metaphor
drowsy plank
that's just a leftover of old cal that they scale at DoG tier
silver bramble
Wha
drowsy plank
no reason to design around it
sleek turret
Calamity Phone 22 "Bullet" design item
drowsy plank
yes the upgraded events are a placeholder until the Distortion is added. much like DoG dropping Cosmolite
the only one sticking around is maybe the solar eclipse upgrade but that is it
hybrid steeple
**Remove Energy Cores**
[Energy Cores](<https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Energy...
realll
drowsy plank
^
hybrid steeple
material bloat reduction
glass arch
material bloat when it DIES we KILL IT
serene tendon
**Remove Energy Cores**
[Energy Cores](<https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Energy...
I 100% agree with this, energy cores are just another item that clogs your inventory
serene tendon
Thing is it isn't a lock
lucid marsh
but also why would you need to merge event spawners? do people carry those aroun...
in their piggy banks yes
hybrid steeple
now when can we finally convince the devs to kill one of the meld mats
serene tendon
Yeah
serene tendon
His armor is made from it, he should drop it also
hybrid steeple
maybe hell drop a bit idk
serene tendon
I have no problem with the Distortion providing a more efficient supply
I think pretty much any player will jump at the chance to not have to farm one of the hardest bosses anyway
coral carbon
i use journey mode anyway so it doesnt affect me still a good change though, having to farm DoG for cosmolite sounds blegh
serene tendon
@wintry gale Why not just remove the bullet usage entirely?
lucid marsh
it should use bullets for the unique ammo effects
serene tendon
It's so weird that those weapons do that
coral carbon
it uses the unique bullet effects
it would become like way worse
if you couldnt use special bullets with it
serene tendon
Just buff its damage lol. Ammo is ranger's job, summoner shouldn't steal its one defining mechanic
sleek turret
the sugg is based on a consistency issue rather than an entire item issue
coral carbon
the functionality of the weapon is to be a summoning weapon with the utility of the different ammo types
coral carbon
the functionality of the weapon is to be a summoning weapon with the utility of ...
removing its ability to use unique ammo would completely neuter the line and a damage increase wouldnt do shit to account for it
serene tendon
removing its ability to use unique ammo would completely neuter the line and a d...
The neat thing about damage increases it that they can ALWAYS account for stuff like that, you just need to put in the right numbers
wintry gale
Just buff its damage lol. Ammo is ranger's job, summoner shouldn't steal its one...
summoner is a class amalgam in terms of things that belongs to X class
coral carbon
The neat thing about damage increases it that they can ALWAYS account for stuff ...
yeah just remove the unique and interesting functionality of the weapon and give it a damage increase sounds like a good idea
sleek turret
TRUE
serene tendon
yeah just remove the unique and interesting functionality of the weapon and give...
It's not unique it robbed another class
sleek turret
summoner originally was a mage subclass I think?
then it got it's own stuff
here we go again with the
coral carbon
It's not unique it robbed another class
wintry gale
It's not unique it robbed another class
coral carbon
im not going to argue this because if you cant already see why what you said is a bad idea then nothing i can say will change your mind
sleek turret
with the class inconsistency echo chamber so y'all can reforce your own ideas
wintry gale
im not going to argue this because if you cant already see why what you said is ...
same
serene tendon
Ranger is already the least distinctive class, it needs to have this to itself
And Summoner is the most unique. Another core mechanic is the last thing it needs, especially not at the expense of a far blander class
coral carbon
Ranger is already the least distinctive class, it needs to have this to itself
It really doesn't. Ranger loses nothing by Summoner having like 3 weapons with a unique functionality in comparison to other summoner weapons.
Its not at the expense of ranger what are you talking about
okay yeah nothing I say will get through to you
golden tulip
Ranger is already the least distinctive class, it needs to have this to itself
that would be mage
by a longshot
serene tendon
okay yeah nothing I say will get through to you <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
All you've done is say no to my arguments without actually disproving them
coral carbon
bro
wintry gale
Ranger is already the least distinctive class, it needs to have this to itself
Bows
Guns
Rockets
Weapons with special ammo if you use default ammo(whatever is musket ball or wooden arrow)
craftable special ammos
flamethrowers
and some special ones that im too lazy to search about
coral carbon
summoner having like 3 weapons that use bullets doesn't take anything away from ranger
serene tendon
Bows
Guns
Rockets
Weapons with special ammo if you use default ammo(whatever is ...
Fair enough, Mage is worse off. Ranger is second though
glass arch
bhr's entire identity is being "summoner item that uses ranger ammo"
wide river
Me when Blood Runes (They are ammo for a magic weapon)
wintry gale
Fair enough, Mage is worse off. Ranger is second though
we're not talking about mage.
glass arch
bhr's entire identity is being "summoner item that uses ranger ammo"
taking away that identity makes it just another summon weapon you're gonna ignore because it has nothing interesting going on with it
sleek turret
why are we discussing this considering the fact mewk made an unrelated claim to spacer's sugg and we just took off from that
serene tendon
we're not talking about mage.
I was re-evaluating my statement about Ranger being the worst off
That IS related to the debate
sleek turret
the sugg is about consistency regarding how the plague jets and viper use ammo and don't do the arms dealer check for it to spawn
while being related to yes, the items in particular you just came and made a claim based on weapon design
glass arch
at least tpe has the identity of being formerly the most broken weapon in the mod but thats not gonna be relevant forever
wintry gale
why are we discussing this considering the fact mewk made an unrelated claim to ...
kill time
as simple as that
glass arch
yes you can make something viable but who cares if its viable when its the summoner equivalent of an ore broadsword
wintry gale
get this man a very big True...
usually people argue with other people they dont know just because of their ego
but rn im just waiting for angler to appear and give me fin wings for some goofy ah fishes
serene tendon
yes you can make something viable but who cares if its viable when its the summo...
Then we can just remove it. Summoner has a WoF weapon now
wintry gale
finally
sleek turret
yeah i agree with you spacer
glass arch
Then we can just remove it. Summoner has a WoF weapon now
ah yes "weapon cant have intrinsic part of its identity removed so we should just remove the weapon instead"
wintry gale
now
back to infernum giant clam suffering 
sleek turret
me don't like weapon me want weapon Dead....
glass arch
like yes it uses something from another class but
theres like 30 weapons that do that
and a large portion of those are whips
wintry gale
yay
north oracle
another large portion are fake mage weapons
serene tendon
theres like 30 weapons that do that
None of them do it to this extent
wintry gale
another large portion are fake mage weapons
yeah
why even complain about this specific case
just look at
meelee
SHIT
DIDNT WORKED
north oracle
None of them do it to this extent
nimbus rod is literally just a summon weapon
serene tendon
another large portion are fake mage weapons
Titanium Railgun and Adamantite Particle Accelerator
glass arch
yeah literally just a sentry with magic damage
borealis bomber and slime puppet staff are mage weapons with summon damage instead
serene tendon
It's vanilla though so sadly we can't do anything about it
wide river
And like I said earlier
Ice Barrage is a mage weapon that uses ammo
glass arch
just because something borrows something from another class doesnt make it bad weapon design
wintry gale
It's vanilla though so sadly we can't do anything about it
like someone would do something about anything non vanilla
sleek turret
i love when i make a claim and it gets passed by everyone without any reply having to extend this discussion even more
wide river
(slime puppet <:HyperFailure:471816460948471831> )
(This is certainly not a shill for a certain suggestion )
wintry gale
(slime puppet <:HyperFailure:471816460948471831> )
wiki setup guide says to use it but
i dont like it
so i used spinal tap for wof 
wintry gale
(This is certainly not a shill for a certain suggestion <:clueless:1064298508653...
ayo what u talking about
serene tendon
yeah literally just a sentry with magic damage
borealis bomber and slime puppet ...
I'd say that all of those are similarly bad
But I guess it's just a matter of how far your class-related suspension of disbelief goes
sleek turret
the class inconsistency echo chamber
glass arch
class consistency has never existed
glass arch
the only class consistency that matters is the damage type
wide river
the class inconsistency echo chamber
(Ok I do agree with you we can probably move on with this point)
north oracle
there's some particularly bad examples, but some unique summon weapons that use ammo are nowhere near the worst
sleek turret
yeah this is just
north oracle
at least they're actually unique weapons
serene tendon
there's some particularly bad examples, but some unique summon weapons that use ...
Daybreak and Shadowflame Knife moment
frosty trellis
We literally have The Burning Sky as a melee weapon so yeah class consistency is not real
sleek turret
honk mimimimi discussion we had like a billion times alredy and we alredy know the output (it's not even barely related with the main sugg's point)
frosty trellis
And is an invalid argument
wide river
honk mimimimi discussion we had like a billion times alredy and we alredy know t...
Well too bad because this is going to go on for two more hours before the chat finally lets it go 
north oracle
no i want that reworked because it's boring and dumb, not because class consistency
glass arch
but on the other hand, slime puppet
slime puppet isnt bad because it doesnt feel like summoner its bad because its boring
sleek turret
yeah i'm just going to jump out because it's so boring to hear the same claims again and again
wide river
Go discuss uhhhhhh Bloody Tear sugg
sleek turret
yeah i just agree with it
it shouldn't be hard to implement really
that's like the only thing really, consistency suggs don't really need like too many discussions regarding it tbh
wintry gale
what about we turn black hawk remote into a ranged weapon that uses mana 
oblique geyser
I agree with removing energy cores
grave zincBOT
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[Remove Flesh of Infidelity]
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[Change the Drill Containment Unit's pickaxe power in some way]
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[Give Meld itβs own dye]
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fleet flume
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[**Add ...
Neat. I forgot about that one, but I'm glad it passed. Still one more step to go.
Let's hope it goes through.
wide river
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[**Chan...
Coolio
novel belfry
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it's meldin time
all of these suggestions are pretty understandable (yes i understand that Flesh of Infidelity is another stupid crimson themed nights edge tier item)
drowsy plank
7/10 batch
remove flesh is a weird one bc presumably all of the crim variants should die at once
and idk how i feel about the absorber one
but otherwise i am indifferent
grave zincBOT
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glass arch
remove flesh is a weird one bc presumably all of the crim variants should die at...
i only suggested for flesh because there were already 2 or 3 suggestions about both
glass arch
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[**Remo...
oh hey
somethings happening with it
drowsy plank
real
north oracle
isn't there a reaction for this while it's in voting
drowsy plank
a true throwing darts at the devboard moment
glass arch
~~isn't there a reaction for this while it's in voting~~
yes its π which is the same one that just got put on it
bright crag
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal percentage-based melee damage
north oracle
~~isn't there a reaction for this while it's in voting~~
to stop it from taking a slot from a suggestion which isn't going to just get "conflicts"
frosty trellis
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
BASED
novel belfry
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
based
north oracle
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
based
glass arch
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
i just woke up for the third time even though i was already awake once
coral carbon
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
the fuck...
brazen minnow
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
What exactly is Rugamarius?
bright crag
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/1143405182454071366/La...
This
(True and real)
Unironically though
I'm just getting confirmation on whether I can share the plans - because they're very simple and not mine
Suffice to say, for now, that Flesh of Infidelity will die
wide river
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[**Remo...
Plot twist: Eye of Night is getting removed instead
Byeah
Jokes aside
Interesting to see there are plans for this
wintry gale
Interesting to see there are plans for this
Noooooo flesh of infidelity
grim tusk
Suffice to say, for now, that Flesh of Infidelity will die
wasnt a drop from a boss dying and flesh moving to its loot pool?
wintry gale
he's another fandom abomination
La ruga>
novel belfry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/1143405182454071366/La...
wait this guy is just a living sepulcher
wide river
wasnt a drop from a boss dying and flesh moving to its loot pool?
π
wide river
wait this guy is just a living sepulcher
No that's DoG
(Lore people please don't kill me this is a joke)
north oracle
So how possible is it for vanilla's summon ais, particularly prehardmode, to get adjusted to make them more useful
cobalt pewter
We're gonna tiershift Flesh of Infidelity to post-Rugamarius and make it deal pe...
post what
north oracle
So how possible is it for vanilla's summon ais, particularly prehardmode, to get...
i know cal doesn't like to rework or make large changes to vanilla weapons, but most of these are primarily useless
brazen minnow
Where in progression will Rugamarius be?
deft yew
Pre-Scrungle as its summon is dropped by Michael
brazen minnow
OH MY GOD
deft yew
brazen minnow
you're not even a dev
bright crag
wasnt a drop from a boss dying and flesh moving to its loot pool?
I think Flesh was gonna die, ans the boss drop would inherit its AI?
Anyways, I guess there's no point to being secretive now
golden sonnet
Stip, is carnage ray being removed too. Please bring up carnage ray
north oracle
i know cal doesn't like to rework or make large changes to vanilla weapons, but ...
eh, whatever
i'll post it, someone can let me know if it's not going to happen
brazen minnow
@bright crag seriously though, sorry for the ping but can you and/or will you share what Rugamarius is though?