suggestions-discussion

[sleek turret]

star of providence that one weapon that increases accuracy the more you're close to a wall

would be so funny fr

[oblique geyser]

rtn 100 ap when

[glass arch]

so yeah it does a bit more than nothing

krilling you

[livid coral]

Honestly something like Zephyr or White Death would be cool

For context:
Zephyr gives a big damage boost if you hit the enemy dead on (there’s a pixel hitbox you have to hit in the middle)
White Death increases attack speed any time you hit an enemy. It resets when you miss.

And then there’s gun with no name where hitting a targeted enemy gives you a random buff and I’ve destroyed runs going too fast

[sleek turret]

i'd add zephyr unironically but daawn's donor item

[livid coral]

Daawnlight yeah

Does it already

[sleek turret]

for like, ranger weapons

practically zephyr is a headshot system same with daawnlight

[hollow shell]

That is, interesting

[sleek turret]

it's interesting because it works in SoP

[livid coral]

Hapephilia my beloved

[sleek turret]

curses!!!

[hollow shell]

yeah cuz the game is compromised of rooms so you'll always have a wall to potentially be near

[livid coral]

Hapephilia is a new pickup for Skully. You deal more damage close to walls.

Yeah

[sleek turret]

wait i thought you were talking about the curse that damages you everytime you touch a wall

[livid coral]

Oh no lol

Hapephobia is the curse for all the other ships where you take damage touching a wall

[hollow shell]

I would hate that so much

[livid coral]

Omg it’s so bad in the current build

[sleek turret]

it limits you a lot

compared to other curses it's the worst one

[livid coral]

It’s actually getting a delay for the new update thank god

[sleek turret]

imo

btw curses give you some positive effects like 5%+ damage and 2HP on pick-up but you can't change the weapon any time (the weapon will eventually break itself), so here's some context

[hollow shell]

Warframe has a really fast flying jetpack you can equip, with a dedicated mission type built around it
But every time you fly into a wall then you take a bit of damage and you enter an inactionable bump animation that lasts a little under a second. Every time.

The missions are basically unplayable unless you grant yourself full CC immunity so you can actually fucking move around without getting stunlocked by yourself,
lest you have to play this action-packed shooter like the board game Operation

[random talon]

@silver bramble SIS
Specific
Item
Suggestion

[north oracle]

Unfortunately while it’s not the worst idea, specific item suggestion

[hollow shell]

Yeah this suggestion needs a lot more explanation why

[livid coral]

I’d get soooo mad at that lol

[north oracle]

It could be generalised to “add bonuses for having several different minions”, but even then it needs a lot more reasoning

[random talon]

I do think there should be some equip or mechanic rewarding you for a diverse summon library

[eternal escarp]

i will say just shouting "SIS" to a person likely means nothing, would prolly mean more if you just said the whole word

[livid coral]

I like the idea of rewarding the use of different summons in one go but yeah

[random talon]

fixed

[hollow shell]

(btw if this is someone's first suggestion and you suspect they haven't read the Donts Doc then saying this acronym to them d-)

beat me to it

[random talon]

lmao

[livid coral]

Context!

[eternal escarp]

get trolled
i lurk in the night waiting for my oppurtunity to um actually

[livid coral]

Lmaaao

[hollow shell]

First half of the suggestion could be summed up as "I just beat Crabulon and now have 4 different summon weapons I can use." or similar
Don't really need all that context

[silver bramble]

sorry

uh

thoughts anyway?

i have no idea what i'm doing i just thought an accessory to improve minions based on unique count would be interesting

so i posted it

[eternal escarp]

its a decently common idea

[silver bramble]

oh really?

didn't know that

[north oracle]

thoughts are that your suggestion breaks one of the rules and you need to change it

fortunately it's actually a decent idea and the suggestion can probably be rewritten

[livid coral]

Rewarding players for minion variety is a good idea

[hollow shell]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

summons that can only be summoned once half do it but they are also
deathstare eye
and we all know thats a demon and a half

[north oracle]

deathstare my beloved

[hollow shell]

People tend to go all in on the one minion that's the strongest, so giving em reasons to not do that and have a whole diverse gang seems good

[north oracle]

luxors synergy go brrrr

[silver bramble]

oop

was crashing

okay so what is the rule on specific item suggestions and how do i alter my suggestion to be better?

[north oracle]

has it been long enough since that last one for me to make another "rework luxors" suggestion, but this time without an SIS and bad reasoning?

[silver bramble]

(i'd assume they don't want SIS because that's patreon exclusive?)

[eternal escarp]

more like because thats exclusive to being disallowed

[silver bramble]

okay i can't look at #suggestions-voting

makes me crash

dunno why

[eternal escarp]

patreon items arent available anymore, its all just backlogged ones

[silver bramble]

i do hope nothing is important there

[silver bramble]

oh huh

[north oracle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit
it's all in there, the first section is about SIS's

[eternal escarp]

and because if everyone was allowed a SIS suggestion theyd flood out the rest of the real suggestions

(and, usually you cant really give good reasoning for a specific item you suggest other than "why not")

[north oracle]

the main part of that is "Focus on the reason why"

your suggestion should first show why something is an issue, then talk about how to change it

Rework Luxor's Gift
Currently, Luxor's Gift is a pre-boss accessory which gives all weapons extra projectiles on use. While this is an effect that looks cool, it is forced to be quite weak to not be overpowered.
It's also a highly situational accessory, being exceptionally powerful with certain weapons like deathstare rod and universe splitter (an endgame weapon), while being nearly useless with almost every other weapon
This accessory is primarily only useful pre-boss before you have any class specific accessories, and even then isn't especially useful. However, as it's hard to find due to only generating once per world in the underground desert, the difficulty to obtain the item doesn't match it's power.

Therefore, I would like to suggest that luxors gift recieves a rework to make it less situational. Like the recent reworks to Unstable Granite Core and Gladiators Locket, it could recieve a more updated and useful functionality that's more fitting for a rare and hard to find accessory.

Thoughts on this? before i post it

[silver bramble]

I noticed that the Luxor's Gift summon is really crap.

[north oracle]

just delete the above one, don't refer to it

[silver bramble]

It's annoying, flits around randomly, and only does 1 damage per hit.

[north oracle]

it's incredibly broken with about 3 weapons

[silver bramble]

I hate it.

[north oracle]

and it deals the same base damage as the actual summon you used to summon it

so if it's dealing 1 damage...

[silver bramble]

Oh

Oh that is

Oh goodness I see how that's busted with Universe Splitter

[north oracle]

lol

[hollow shell]

@silver bramble
Each individual suggestion gets treated separately in #suggestions-voting , they stand on their own
There won't be an "above" suggestion, so your new suggestion's title will be confusing

[silver bramble]

Oh.

I haven't been able to examine how #suggestions-voting works because it crashes my Discord.

That's an issue.

[worldly sparrow]

well

[silver bramble]

Should I post it the third time under a less confusing title?

[north oracle]

don't repost it, just edit it

[worldly sparrow]

flagged suggs dont get to voting

[hollow shell]

You can just edit it yes

[north oracle]

(you could also delete the old one)

[hollow shell]

Other than the title, the new suggestion is better 👍

[worldly sparrow]

dont cross out the old suggestion

just delete it, it's already been flagged and replaced

no use for the first one rn

[silver bramble]

aw

[hollow shell]

There ya go

All good

[coral carbon]

i like this suggestion tbh

something that encourages the use of different minions is interesting

[silver bramble]

I'd vote for it in #suggestions-voting but something there crashes my Discord.

[fervent orbit]

@north oracle imo u should talk about the other classes having problems with luxors gift. while yes, the examples are very valid, the fact that theyre both summoner will give the impression that the only one at fault is summoner, which is not true

[north oracle]

there's like no other class weapons that are good with it

[hollow shell]

Strange and problematic
Never heard of that happening before

[drowsy plank]

slow firing and short range weapons appreciate it a bit actually

[north oracle]

only those with a single projectile really benefit tbh
that's like... molten fury?

[drowsy plank]

i suppose

tbf i suppose minishark also likes it since its DPS mostly stems from hitrate, but slow firing weapons that have enough %damage to make the reduced damage projectile more worth it dont mind it either, and short range or weird projectile weapons like blade of grass (idk if it actually works but considering it is a projectile sword now it should, and i cant remember a better example atm). it's mostly midrange damage with decent reach weapons that dont really need it

[north oracle]

minishark also just has better options tbh, and luxors is pretty hard to find
the real issue is more that there's just better options that are more consistent and easier to find

[drowsy plank]

ur not wrong, im just saying there ARE use cases

[north oracle]

yeah
most of them just aren't great

[drowsy plank]

the problem is most of those just have better options

[north oracle]

it deals so little damage with minishark while also having a way slower projectile speed

[drowsy plank]

it mimic projectile speed tbf

[north oracle]

not even close to enough lol

it's super hard to aim with both normal shots and luxors shots

[drowsy plank]

fair

anyway i dont

get the obsession with minion variety

especially the version explained in this suggestion

[north oracle]

cal does a pretty good job of that already with the single use summons, mechworm, and kalandra

[drowsy plank]

using pre-Hardmode summons on DoG sounds like hot ass to balance, and id hate for the optimal build to require me to carry around 13 staves

[north oracle]

it would just be buffing optimal builds

[drowsy plank]

ur not wrong

@hollow shell i know you just left and you said the suggestion was fine

but the part about early game minions getting a buff from the accessory

really just sounds like Scaling Don't with extra steps

in fact, it literally is, it's literally asking them to be scaled to be viable when it's equipped

and the usecase it provides as an example sounds fucking awful

the idea of minions like finch, imp, slime, puff and seabound being Devourer viable sounds horrid

[north oracle]

actually yeah
that's a good point, that part is explictly asking to make all minions scaling

[drowsy plank]

like i can understand the appreciate for minion variety but i do not feel like that is how you should do it

[silver bramble]

....

bleh

idk maybe not devourer

maybe

providence?

is that better?

[drowsy plank]

no

[north oracle]

still no lol

[drowsy plank]

no omg no

[worldly sparrow]

no

[drowsy plank]

like wall of flesh at most jeez

[worldly sparrow]

no pre-hm weapon should get past wof

ideally

[north oracle]

most of those already are WoF viable

[drowsy plank]

could you imagine being able to stomp to post-ML with nothing but pre-Boss weapons??

[north oracle]

yeah lol, scaling weapons just aren't a good idea tbh

[worldly sparrow]

god ichor spear but obtained at pre-boss instead of pre-mechs

• its summoner

[drowsy plank]

again, it has the trappings of a good idea, but that is not how id do it

[north oracle]

(and it's a lot better than last time)

[drowsy plank]

frankly, because of calamity, i feel like there are already enough summon weapons on each tier that you wouldn't need any sort of scaling if this accessory also gives a buff from variety anyway

[hollow shell]

ok yeah I was gonna say "Fuck the Scaling Don't" cuz that's on my hitlist of ones to get rid of

But
yes I can see the issue here with the sugg's aspect of buffing earlier summons
It's an unnecessary aspect

[north oracle]

yeah, the part about scaling could just be removed

[north oracle]

i mean the scaling don't has a purpose

[drowsy plank]

hm

[north oracle]

don't want weapons that scale all game

[silver bramble]

so:

item crafted from purified gel

it buffs minions based on how many unique ones you have

[worldly sparrow]

post-sg

[drowsy plank]

ok im gonna stop you right there

[novel belfry]

wait, does anyone remember the purified jam?

[drowsy plank]

you're getting too into the details

[hollow shell]

You don't gotta- yeah

[silver bramble]

it's an idea?

[drowsy plank]

just focus on the minion variety part

[north oracle]

you cannot define a tier or crafting recipe for a suggestion

[silver bramble]

hm

[novel belfry]

that one item that would only drop ONCE for a player and world

because it straight up granted invincibility?

[hollow shell]

(save that thought for later, you'll confuse the convo)

[drowsy plank]

i am curious to hear you want to kill the scaling don't considering i'd say the dev environment has actually gotten more hostile towards that idea recently,

hell even vanilla kinda has it going on with Frostbite and Frostburn, Hellfire and On Fire, and Calamity with Crumbling and Armor Crunch, and Riptide and Crush Depth, not even mentioning all the other items that used to have scaling that got a kick in the shins for it recently as well

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, scaling is a thing that cal in general has been straying away from

[north oracle]

is there anything other than community that explictly scales now?

abigail's flower ig

gets buffed in hardmode

[worldly sparrow]

and then falls off after mechs

[drowsy plank]

abigail's has other issues going on anyway

[north oracle]

ture

[glass arch]

its not even good preboss

[north oracle]

oh it's worse than not good preboss

it's probably better when it scales properly

[worldly sparrow]

its nigh unusable preboss (well currently at least)

[hollow shell]

I want to get rid of it cuz it was made for SIS's

Nowadays, it'll be significantly rarer for a suggestion to suggest an item that scales so much that it's a problem, like the old Legendaries did
And if such suggestions do come around, people can refute the reasoning with the balancing difficulty of it, without it needing to have an explicit rule against it

[north oracle]

fair enough tbh

it's just not really needed, and anything that suggests it is a balance nightmare, an SIS, or actually not a bad idea

[worldly sparrow]

more often the former two

[hollow shell]

I want the doc to be more digestible and part of that is not having so many rules for suggestions that are rare anyhow

[drowsy plank]

i mean fair enough, but considering it's usually bad practice to have it in there anyway, i dont see an issue with leaving it, maybe shove it in common don't instead of explict rules

[worldly sparrow]

maybe it could even be one of the soft don'ts

[north oracle]

that's not a bad idea

don't do this unless you know how to make it valid

[drowsy plank]

augh we're getting into doc revision and we need to wait for the devs to have that meeting before we do much anyway, i dont wanna get too into hypotheticals incase they end up wanting something drastically different from the current format after that meeting anyway

so do you think it's enough to flag until they removing the scaling at least, rover? or what

cause in it's current form, with the early minion scaling tagged on, feeling like an excessive work don't in terms of balancing, if you don't want it to be a scaling don't, at the very least

[hollow shell]

byeah @silver bramble I am sorry for yet another thing you gotta change about your suggestion
but
You don't need to have any of that stuff about granting special buffs to earlier minions
The implication that you're drastically increasing the number of viable weapons on a tier with a single accessory will give the devs a heart attack from having to balance that

The item you're proposing will probably allow for slightly earlier minions to be more viable anyway, because having weaker minions added to your army will buff up your stronger on-tier minions that much more

(and buff up those earlier minions to be closer to on-tier strength too)

Ya don't need to have earlier minions treated any differently for the sake of this item's core functionality

[coral carbon]

@silver bramble dont cross it out, just remove that part

[drowsy plank]

that probably should be flagged until they do that tho, right...??

[north oracle]

i mean it's still in the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

and thus the ❗returns

worse case rover comes in and removes it, if chaos doesn't just fix the sugg

tired of suggs getting into voting after we requested they change something just bc no one wanted to exclaim them lol

[north oracle]

yeah lol

[silver bramble]

is it

fixed no

w

[north oracle]

just remove everything about wanting to make minions viable for longer

the point is to have more variety, not to use earlygame minions on lategame bosses

[grave zinc]

@formal sphinx - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow use of the Profaned Soul Crystal in vanity while having Profaned Soul Artifact equipped before endgame.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

ah, nice

[worldly sparrow]

epic

[novel belfry]

i cant even

[coral carbon]

yeah that one still upsets me

[oblique geyser]

Wires

[ashen warren]

the recipe did get simplified a bit in a recent hotfix iirc, since it definitely was a bit much

[regal willow]

[north oracle]

thank god

[formal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/wooo-yeah-baby-gif-18955985

[worldly sparrow]

great sugg

[coral carbon]

great suggestion

[worldly sparrow]

god i wish it was that easy

[north oracle]

#1042197406776827914 and High effort

[gilded scroll]

sounds like someones salty lul

[worldly sparrow]

well i mean he's right

[north oracle]

(and endgame dps isn't accounted for anyway)

they need nerfing

[worldly sparrow]

summoner and rogue are quite broken

[north oracle]

but it's known and shouldn't be here

@drowsy plank just delete? or flag

[worldly sparrow]

yeah thats for balance suggs

[gilded scroll]

im just gonna enjoy summoner being op for as long as i can

[north oracle]

god kaleidoscope is broken now

[gilded scroll]

because i know its gonna get "rebalanced" (butchered) next update

[worldly sparrow]

and its deleted

already

[sterile basin]

Pls nerf the rogue and summoner

[coral carbon]

we heard you the first time buddy

[sterile basin]

they´re so broken

[worldly sparrow]

take this to #1042197406776827914

[north oracle]

the infamous "summoner rebalance update" (2030)

[sterile basin]

ten kiu

[drowsy plank]

hm?

am i blind or did they delete

[north oracle]

they deleted it themselves, it's alg

[gilded scroll]

they deleted yeah

[drowsy plank]

cool

[north oracle]

...does this go here? i'm not sure if this falls under the resprite based on poor quality or not

either way, formatting

[lucid marsh]

Summoner and rogue are broken but I assume that will be fixed soon

Chaosengine's suggestion sounds cool

[ruby plover]

It sounds cool, for sure
But I can’t help but feel that is just a balance nightmare waiting to happen

[lucid marsh]

I mean yeah sure

You could make different minion lines provide different enemy debuffs

[ruby plover]

I can’t see that succeeding in dev really

[north oracle]

It was a much bigger nightmare before it was rewritten several times

[lucid marsh]

That would help somewhat

Oh lol

[north oracle]

they still need to take out literally everything about making minions scale

[lucid marsh]

Idk what you mean exactly

[ruby plover]

Okay wait I skimread

[lucid marsh]

Maybe I misread

[north oracle]

the last paragraph could be removed and the suggestion would be better for it tbh

[lucid marsh]

Unrelated: because of the hardmode progression change, the "begone, evil!" Achievement is unobtainable. This is normally fine, but I used a mod that adds the achievements back to be tracked in game

So it would be nice to change the trigger for that achievement to be like, beating one mech boss, or something

Or just breaking a demon altar instead of the chat message that appears

[hollow shell]

oh yeah, lol, true

[north oracle]

lmao

[hollow shell]

Are there any other vanilla achievements that Calamity makes unobtainable?

[crude geode]

I doubt it?

Hardmode progression rework is probably the most major vanilla change cal does

[hollow shell]

Skimming over them now

It's possible that Calamity's nurse price changes cause this to no longer be tracked properly
or, it could work just fine

Yeah none of the other ones jump out at me

You could make a suggestion about the altar smashing achievement

It's something super minor but

It is something that the intended Calamity experience 'breaks'

[ruby plover]

One less unintended thing

Doesn’t hurt methinks

[worldly sparrow]

ok so i just discovered that dyes dont work on the sponge shield

i should probably make a sugg to fix that

[ripe owl]

@quartz dew "sounds cool" is not a good enough reasoning

[coral carbon]

maybe if he put a jetstream sam gif it would've worked better

[errant bobcat]

Also aren’t murasama Suggs banned

[umbral gazelle]

i mean, if you add the reason "to make it less confusing with muramasa from vanilla" it might get accepted

[ripe owl]

True

[quartz dew]

good point

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell do you think the shellfish one falls under poor sprite quality sugg?

[hollow shell]

Definitely not

[drowsy plank]

aight

[hollow shell]

It's something that could even be resolved via code with no resprite at all

[drowsy plank]

true

anyway im pretty sure the murasama one is both completely lacking in reasoning and also a reference

which is a double no

[quartz dew]

changed it

[lucid marsh]

This one works correctly, I think the gold requirement might even be changed to like 1 platinum or something

So maybe not correctly but it works

I just remember getting it when using the nurse during a boss fight that cost a ton

For the most recent suggestion, it might be better to put "not to be confused with Muramasa"

And the opposite to the other one

[drowsy plank]

@brazen minnow dont do that

[brazen minnow]

Ok

Sorry
Is advertising not allowed

[drowsy plank]

it's like one of the first rules in the doc or smthn i swear

yes

[brazen minnow]

Oh

Ok please don't delete my suggestion in #suggestions-voting though please I didn't know

[drowsy plank]

that is not how it works either

[wide river]

3rd rule in the 1st pin yea

[drowsy plank]

just let it take its natural course

[ripe owl]

Why do I always miss the most interesting moments

[wide river]

It wasn't that interesting

[coral carbon]

i honestly dont even want to know what the sugg was.

[wide river]

It wasn't a suggestion it was just someone advertising their suggestion in voting

Specifically they said it was "underrated"

[golden sonnet]

(it had been in voting less than an hour)

[coral carbon]

[lucid flare]

wait how did they manage to put that in #suggestions-voting

[wide river]

The suggestion itself was in voting for less than an hour
They then came over here to tell people to vote for it

[lucid flare]

oh i se!!!e

[north oracle]

It’s also not asking to adress the main issue of the dps meter being terrible at actually measuring dps :p

Just to make it account for debuffs on dummies

[regal willow]

nice intro lmao
#suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

@clever orchid no reasoning + specific item suggestion

[sleek turret]

it would be so awesome /srs

[stable kiln]

my poor summer child have you heard of "Shift + Enter"

[ashen warren]

a concerning number of people don't seem to have

[golden tulip]

my poor summer child is not something i would have expected to hear leave done's mouth

[royal tapir]

I think it fits perfectly

[golden sonnet]

I don't know them, but based on the few interactions I've had with them it's what I'd expect

[livid coral]

Shift enter has been so ingrained in my head that any place that doesn’t use that like word or excel I keep tabbing off the thing because I keep hitting shift

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[stable kiln]

I said that a lot of times wdym..

[stable kiln]

SAME OH MY LORD

[deft yew]

Google Docs alt-enter

[buoyant idol]

@dusty path Could you specify why this should be added?

[dusty path]

K, hold on

Actually

It would be overpowered

[coral carbon]

wow. I respect that

tbh

[blazing kettle]

i know this sugg was from yesterday but wasnt there going to be a murasama upgrade called "hf murasama" at some point or am i goign crazy

[fervent orbit]

uhf murasama, yes

it was going to be an upgraded murasama that also wasnt gonna be "hold m1"

[blazing kettle]

is it completely scrapped at this point?

[fervent orbit]

yea

[drowsy plank]

very

[hollow shell]

Its sprite sat in the mod's source for like 3 years and was never touched nor brought up

Maybe even like, 5 years

[grim tusk]

I think it might still be in the source files

[royal tapir]

It is

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[royal tapir]

And I'm certain it's been longer than 5 years

[blazing kettle]

what all was planned for the uhf murasama?

[coral carbon]

that HF murasama suggestion isnt even terrible its just like not really needed and also very broken wording

[drowsy plank]

i think muramasa would sooner die

[glass arch]

basically nothing iirc

[drowsy plank]

or be completely renamed/reworked

[golden sonnet]

It had a dash, and swung like arkhalis

[glass arch]

only thing i remember is i think fab wanted it to be needed to beat yharim but like

forced class locking = cringe so that was hard scrapper

[hollow shell]

I don't remember ever hearing that

[drowsy plank]

it is in the doc of historical content so

idk

[hollow shell]

hm

[buoyant idol]

Makes sense, that was from before Yharim was going to be part Minos Prime.

[hollow shell]

byeah
Armstrong brainrot

[neat linden]

ah so that's what it was

i remember looking through decompiled cal and saw some sprites i had no idea what were for, UHF was one of them

i think there was also some sort of a buff icon related to it but i don't remember

[buoyant idol]

I wonder what it looked like

[glass arch]

aye it has an associated buff icon

[silver bramble]

Thinking about the Biome Blade, and I had a Terra Blade-related thought.
The Terra Blade being a principal component of the Exoblade, which is probably the endgame sword (although by no means the only, nor the coolest, it seems to be the archetypal one), works fine. However, I think that the Terra Blade is better thematically if it is instead a component of an improved version of the Biome Blade, perhaps the Galaxia or something between Galaxia and True (like the old Omega Biome Blade). However, I won't properly suggest it because a. they probably removed the Omega Biome Blade for a good reason and b. it's an SIS, I believe.
I just think that combining a sword themed around Terraria itself with... a sword themed around Terraria itself is a good idea.
On a lore-related note, given the nature of the Biome Blade, I'd reckon that, should there ever be some adaptation of Calamity or a 'canonical' Player Character, the Biome Blade line would be a principal weapon of theirs. It would fit with their description in Cynosure.

[glass arch]

there wont be a canon player

the terrarian will always be a blank slate for you to fill with your own ideas and character

[worldly sparrow]

ok so one, the exoblade will likely be that one endgame sword ofc
if the terra blade was made part of the biome blade line then terratomere would need a rename and rework
combining a sword with another one with the same theme is a good idea ofc but galaxia is more related to space than terraria
the player character will literally never be canon, said by devs over and over it's up to your interpretation
and the description of the player in cynosure is highly metaphorical and overexaggerated

[novel belfry]

It’s literally just yharim calling you epic

[bright crag]

^

[random pasture]

"Well, if it isn't saucy Terrarian"

[brazen minnow]

Goozma

[worldly sparrow]

what about it

[wide river]

Hold on a gosh darn second
Didn't this one have an exclaim on it?
#suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

i

put one on it

@hollow shell did you remove the exclaim i put on it?

[worldly sparrow]

...

too late now, i guess

[wide river]

Not necessarily
Moderators can delete suggestions in voting should they need to, but it's heavily discouraged unless a suggestion absolutely shouldn't have gotten through

[hollow shell]

Yes. Because they removed the thing you put the exclam on it for, that being the whole buffing earlier summons thing.

[ashen warren]

these recent suggestions are eh-mazing

the downfall of calamity mod suggestions

[glass arch]

the part that sounds weird to me on it is Or... some boss? At some point? Providence? Plantera? Mechs? Wall of Flesh?

[wide river]

Ok cool confirmation
Thanks for clearing things up

[glass arch]

i might just be misinterpreting this tho

[lucid marsh]

the terratomere is getting removed probably IIRC

[glass arch]

no im

pretty sure terratomere isnt getting removed

[worldly sparrow]

^

[wide river]

I don't see why it would get removed

[frosty trellis]

Why would it be getting removed when it was recently reworked?

[lucid marsh]

all the terra stuff except the terra blade is being replaced

[worldly sparrow]

terratomere isnt terra tier

[lucid marsh]

either removed or rethemed

well

[hollow shell]

yes that part is unneeded but the sugg shouldn't be rendered invalid cuz of it

[lucid marsh]

yeah

but its like terra 2

[worldly sparrow]

(and is direct upgrade of terra blade)

[hollow shell]

Don't wanna nitpick backseat a suggestion until it's perfect and it's unacceptable otherwise

[glass arch]

yeah i know that

im more saying that in a sense of in context it doesnt really make sense what they're trying to say,

[glass arch]

just because its an upgrade of a terra item doesnt mean it is a terra item

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

But that doesn't matter

[glass arch]

no it kinda does

[sleek turret]

however,
terratomere

[drowsy plank]

fair enough, the way it's phrased is still a bit janky but i suppose we can always just

[sleek turret]

and terrablade pallete (similar iirc?)

[drowsy plank]

not vote for it

[worldly sparrow]

woah, genius

[glass arch]

terratomere is called that due to being a direct upgrade to terra blade while being outside of a specific item tier (like elemental or exo, for example)

[wide river]

It's closer pallete-wise to Uelibloom sorta

Or a mix of both palletes

[sleek turret]

here's terrablade sprite for reference

the brownish part yeah it's similar to uelibloom's brown

[wide river]

Bit of a mix of both then

[sleek turret]

ye

anyways back to ripping the tissue of my leg muscles (leg day today)

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure it's exactly the same palette that Cal's other Terra items use

If modified then only slightly

[wide river]

I can see the resemblance

[mortal rock]

the terra weapons tbh I don't like due to them being like

unoriginal

[drowsy plank]

terratomere uses cal's terra pallet which is different from terra blade

[sleek turret]

yeah that's a valid complain (both legend and cog)

[lucid marsh]

I think there should be terra weapons but only one per class

[worldly sparrow]

terratomere can stay imo but the rest need a retheming

[sleek turret]

they're kinda like a relic from the same era calamity was made where mods had terra staff terra this terra that

(thorium for example)

[worldly sparrow]

god im glad cal didnt ever add zenith weapons

[sleek turret]

same with night's edge tier weapons where they are mistakenly represented as evil biome weapons

[lucid marsh]

Same

[sleek turret]

(thorium, again)

[north oracle]

We’ve already got miracle matter weapons

[coral carbon]

zenith weapon mods:

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[lucid marsh]

But yeah anyways nights edge stuff is also fun!

[grim tusk]

Miracle matter did that before Zenith existed

[lucid marsh]

I hope it stays

[worldly sparrow]

look its better then zenith

[lucid marsh]

Same with terra

[north oracle]

Damn it I want cosmic immaterialser’s minion to look better but I can’t suggest that

[worldly sparrow]

at least you can reasonably work with miracle matter color pallete on something that isnt incredibly specific

[sleek turret]

retheme nights edge weapons to actual nights edge thematic being shadow chest themed like dark lance and maybe demon scythe

[lucid marsh]

Except the lunarian bow line, that one sucks

[grim tusk]

You can suggest a resprite as long as the reasoning aint “this thing ugly” afaik

[sleek turret]

instead of fucking evil weapons 2

[lucid marsh]

That's kind of silly because "this thing ugly" is the best reason for a resprite

[worldly sparrow]

lunarian bow is the only night's weapon to not look like an evil weapon fun fact

[lucid marsh]

Yes that much is true, but the entire line has always felt incredibly underpowered

[worldly sparrow]

thats a balance issue not an issue with teh weapon

[north oracle]

but that’s the reasoning

[lucid marsh]

The visual effects are mid as well

[north oracle]

That thing’s ugly and I don’t like

No matter what I think of, it boils back down to that

[worldly sparrow]

so checked the killtimes the entire line except for gale is B or C tier

so like they're not underpowered

[sleek turret]

the visual effects are like 2018 effects (dust visuals)

[worldly sparrow]

(and gale is A)

[sleek turret]

ahem... night ray

[lucid marsh]

The entire line is weaker than the guns of the same tier

[worldly sparrow]

so? balance issue again

thats not the fault of the weapon

[lucid marsh]

Yes I know its a balance issue. And also importantly bows are balanced with the assumption that you will be chugging archery potions 24/7

[hollow shell]

(which is another Don't that I think is subject to removal.
We do not have an official resprite request area like we do for #1042197406776827914. We have art's #asset-submissions but we do not have any kind of publicly-submittable #assets-needed)

[lucid marsh]

Which sucks

[sleek turret]

we talking about THEMING and VISUAL inconsistencies and issues attributed to weapons

but yea balancing can suck sometimes

[worldly sparrow]

testing gear is much weaker than normal playthrough gear at times

also potions are expected to be used

tester or (to an extent) not

[north oracle]

so if i suggest to update the sprite of cosmic immaterialser's minion because it's outdated and doesn't fit the design of the weapon itself, it won't get flagged?

[lucid marsh]

That's bad design when it's not needed for another subclass

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

ranger is subclasses

guns, bows, rockets, flamethrowers, i can go on

[lucid marsh]

That's not the point

[hollow shell]

(we could even make it so art's #assets-needed finally gets some use.
The devs could implement some system where any resprite suggestions that pass public voting and dev voting can be transfered over into #assets-needed, assuming the devs don't want to resprite it themselves)

[grim tusk]

Players when they love dmg min max (cuz thats the main strategy in vanilla unless theres an op defensive/mobility item)

[hollow shell]

It's still a Don't for the time being
You might be able to find a way to phrase the sugg in a way that doesn't violate it but it'd be difficult

[north oracle]

yeah

sigh

[lucid marsh]

Having one of these subclasses require a potion that the others don't isn't fun

[grim tusk]

Dust visuals are laggy

[north oracle]

that's not a bad idea

[sleek turret]

dust visuals suck they're 2018 visuals

[worldly sparrow]

look, if you play bow ranger you're signing up for archery potions

thats just part of how it goes

[sleek turret]

that's 5 years from 2023 and in some months 6

[grim tusk]

Iirc there was stuff that we wanted to get into assets-needed but we have been keeping it on hold due to reasons

[sleek turret]

dust can be used tho not saying you shouldn't use them on weapons, they can be used for like small details and stuff

[north oracle]

it doesn't need dust spam, it just doesn't need this
it looks like a little rainbow circle ingame, and it's really underwhelming compared to the weapon design itself

[grim tusk]

if someone sees this can they resprite twisting thunderbolt into a sai, thx

[wide river]

Oh so that's what those are called

[grim tusk]

It was a good sprite; for 2018-2019

[glass arch]

this thing? because if so yeah i would try but unfortunately: i suck

[sleek turret]

the sprite looks definitely like an enviromental swinging trap in any castlevania game before SOTN

[north oracle]

that's true
it's just... not anymore though, and it shows

[lucid marsh]

That suggestion rule should be removed

Sprites can suck

And we should be able to point it out in a way that matters

[wide river]

The consequences of large mods having so many items that such a large portion are forgotten

[north oracle]

Sigh

[sleek turret]

weapon_list.pdf

[north oracle]

Well in that case I’ll have to think of something else summoner related to suggest today

[hollow shell]

one billion of these symbols: ^

[wide river]

I don't remember exactly but I think the total amount of items was somewhere around 5k
I don't have the calculation anymore unfortunately but I remember it being around there

[worldly sparrow]

though honestly ever since the elemental blaster proposed rework im actually excited for the reworks and/or rethemings of nights-terra-ele-exo lines now

[royal tapir]

In Calamity?
No fucking way it's even close to that

[novel belfry]

Personally this should be some sort of constantly shifting minion

[wide river]

Oh I'm mixing it with vanilla, sorry

[north oracle]

I agree, yeah
It shouldn’t be a static spinny circle

[royal tapir]

Calamity I think is around like 2.5k

Most likely lower

[wide river]

Maybe I'll spend another 30 minutes counting again

[ashen warren]

it has like 700 weapons/accs last i counted?

[hollow shell]

Checks out
The "Items" folder in the source has 5233 files in it. Each item is usually comprised of 1 sprite and 1 code file so, approx 2616

[sleek turret]

can't you just check how many items there are by looking at mod info from the mod in mod list from tmod

like those small icons in the up-right corner of the specific mod when it's enabled

[novel belfry]

Like it fires bolts from a range, then those blade things appear and the minion charges at the enemy and slices the living hell outta it

[ashen warren]

it could be pretty much anything

it doesnt really have any theming rn

[north oracle]

hmmm

give cosmic immaterialiser clearer theming

[ashen warren]

its a miracle matter weapon right

thats kinda vague

[hollow shell]

yeah

[sleek turret]

yea

[north oracle]

Now I have a suggestion beginning to form

[ashen warren]

what is the theme for those

[north oracle]

Hang on, I’ll do other things then come back to this

[hollow shell]

Immat is just a flying sigil that shoots out bolts

[ashen warren]

the direct exo drops are themed for the mechs themselves

[hollow shell]

and spins around

[ashen warren]

the bolts would still suffice if they were made a bit cooler, but it should probably do more than just that considering where it is

[hollow shell]

Miracle Matter's theme is kinda sorta "part technology part tree"? At least visually
Functionally there really isn't a theme other than bright rainbow (but usually teal green) energy

[ashen warren]

so like high tech energy stuff

[sleek turret]

yeah it's a weird theming

[ashen warren]

its a bit non specific ye

[hollow shell]

That's kinda the point considering it's meant to be a summary/condensation of a lot of different weapons from the same weapon type

[ashen warren]

isnt that a leftover from the old giga recipes

[sleek turret]

just gonna post the sprite here because the mind can give a different image of what miracle matter is

[hollow shell]

The recipes are still pretty big

[north oracle]

Maybe even generalising further to “give miracle matter a clearer theming”

[hollow shell]

Always combining 3 or 4 weapons, and at least one of those weapons has to be part of a game-spanning grafting tree

[ashen warren]

i think most of the current/recently reworked ones look somewhat consistent

like the ssv, gale and exoblade

[north oracle]

Yes, the new ones are pretty good

But then there’s immat

[ashen warren]

ye its just old

[north oracle]

And like 90% of the unupdated ones

[ashen warren]

i think theres enough style/theming existing with the others to be able to give it something similar

the question just is what else could it do than spin and shoot bolts

[hollow shell]

Photoviscerator and Immat have really old weapon sprites as well that pre-date the current Exo palette
They just look similar enough

[ashen warren]

photo has the same thing the other flamethrowers do where it doesnt really look like fire at all

giving them the 1.4.4 flamethrower visuals would go a long way

(i think those are actually recolored ml explosions, or very similar at the least)

[ashen warren]

hm no those are different

my memory must be going

[buoyant idol]

(Spazmatism's flamethrower being dust)

[sleek turret]

your mind gives rough memories of images

yeah spaz's flamethrower is still dust particles

[ashen warren]

i wonder why

[sleek turret]

however it would be very cool if they had the same treatment tbh

[ashen warren]

maybe they forgot or smth

[sleek turret]

probably

[north oracle]

I wrote a thing
any thoughts? I'm not sure how much of this is accurate

[wide river]

Vivid Clarity was reworked?

[north oracle]

shit, wrong one

sub vortex

[errant cradle]

@north oracle Did you mean Subsuming Vortex there or

[hollow shell]

If it was then it wasn't nearly to the exten-

yeah

[errant cradle]

lol

[frosty trellis]

I was about to mention that

Lmfao

[north oracle]

yeah, clarity is one of the ones that needs to be updated

[errant cradle]

Mhm

[wide river]

Dust stick!

[frosty trellis]

Yeah for sure it's literally just dust spam hooray!!!!!

[north oracle]

i love dust sticks!

[errant cradle]

Cosmic Immat is also an infamous one

funny lil rainbow ball

[north oracle]

that's where this stemmed from lol

i wanted to suggest a immat minion resprite

but can't suggest resprite for poor quality

[ashen warren]

Nah you gotta resprite it yourself and submit :p

Ngl I forgot mag cannon existed

[errant cradle]

Mag just kinda

exists

Honestly I haven't seen it mentioned in ages

[wide river]

Definitely the most forgettable one of the bunch

[ashen warren]

That tier does have quite a lot of weapons

[errant cradle]

(also hi toasty i didnt know you were back here)

[ashen warren]

(hello)

[north oracle]

mag is an unbelieveably forgettable weapon

and it's just really boring

[ashen warren]

((and happy birthday by the looks of it?))

[errant cradle]

ye 👍

[ashen warren]

I don't quite understand why scal needs two full weapon sets, exo drops and mm crafts

[wide river]

According to the wiki it was supposed to be a gun at some point
Could've been worse

[grim tusk]

exo gun

[ashen warren]

They become obsolete once you beat her as shadowspec tier exists, so there's just a large number of weapons where you aren't really using a whole lot of them

Mag could be cool if it did smth other than just homing rockets

There's gotta be some kind of gimmick you could give it

Dunno what though

[glass arch]

oh damn i missed this time for ccc ping

[hybrid steeple]

one day ashes crafts will be real

[grim tusk]

Dragons Aerie and Yharim :eventually:

[ashen warren]

That's all well and good but like you said, eventually

[crude geode]

Cal should just never add Yharim

[ashen warren]

I don't think it's really much of an issue though, choice is usually a nice thing and the touched up older weapons are all nice to use

[crude geode]

Tbh a lot of themes suffer from this problem of lack of cohesion

[ashen warren]

It's mostly just from the past ye

I think the reworked exo weapons do feel like they're a set

[odd geyser]

As I already said, Yharim is an entity that moves forward in time faster than anything can, if he is 3 years away from now, in 3 years he will be 6 years away, and in 6 years he'll be 12 years away, we will never reach Yharim

[wide river]

Omni have you been getting enough sleep

[odd geyser]

I'd say yes

[wide river]

What am I saying, this is the lore-discussion member's Stand: Deranged Ramblings

[odd geyser]

Unless we create a time machine and get to the point where Yharim exists, we will never reach him

[bright crag]

Yharim will be released tomorrow

(When tomorrow comes, it'll be today, and no longer tomorrow. Hence, you can never reach the "tomorrow")

[timber temple]

😱 no way

[ashen warren]

Inb4 someone crops that

[bright crag]

I was very clearly being serious

[fossil finch]

not a minute

so happy

yours was a minute away take the l

[timber temple]

misinformation time

[ashen warren]

Yup :p

[worldly sparrow]

hell yeah

[fossil finch]

did a little bit of

of spreading misinfo

[crude geode]

I like how you can gaslight people everyday into thinking vetra said it that day

[timber temple]

i mean

techically you can gaslight for everyday

just make sure its after the time of the person your trying to gaslight

[ashen warren]

people call stip vetra?

[bright crag]

Truth is an illusion

[bright crag]

Surprisingly, yes

[timber temple]

having a nickname for a while sticks huh

[ashen warren]

What does this nick mean actually, I don't recognise it from anywhere

[bright crag]

A character I made

[ashen warren]

Oh cool

[bright crag]

Which you might hear about in the future, depending on how things go

;)

[wide river]

||The Dragon!||

[ashen warren]

I'm sure I will :p

While you're here actually, I'll get back on that soon hopefully

Shouldn't be more than a few days

[bright crag]

Sure

Though Vetrasyl isn't related to that

To be clear

[ashen warren]

Ye I didn't think that

DW :p

[ashen warren]

:)

[north oracle]

:)

[wide river]

:)

[hybrid steeple]

The Dragon !

[bright crag]

:)

[coral carbon]

Woah octo normal pfp in calmain..

Wilddd...

[flint notch]

Eeeeeee you summoned the loreheads…

[fossil finch]

why are people being mysterious like stip hasnt shared nearly everything realated to vetrasyl shake our head our he

[bright crag]

[ashen warren]

first ive heard of them

[fossil finch]

this would be because your last message in lore discussion was in 2022

[wide river]

Fluffy on his way to rework Summoner one suggestion at a time

[north oracle]

[ashen warren]

my last message in the entire server up until a few days ago was in 2022

[north oracle]

hey they won't let me suggest "fix summoner"

so i'll just do it this way

[fossil finch]

wrath of the ancients should get its own eweapon line like in fandom

[north oracle]

wrath could actually be a really cool concept for an active summoner weapon

[fossil finch]

huh it has really been that long

damn

[ashen warren]

🧓

[ashen warren]

Oh god not another post plant active

[fossil finch]

so much has changed since that faithful day

[north oracle]

[ashen warren]

seems mostly the same to me tbh

bar new channels

[fossil finch]

not talking about this server lmfao

[wide river]

The only difference is suggestions got a whole lot more hostile (we are trying to fix this)

[ashen warren]

ah i see

[fossil finch]

no thats good

it will cause the great suggestion of 2024

[ashen warren]

wasnt it always somewhat like that

[fossil finch]

definitely

back when we were active here it was just as agressive to be honest

[north oracle]

some day i'll post an entire doc outlining every issue i have with the summoner class as a whole with the title Rework Summoner

[fossil finch]

really this channel just cycles people and with it comes types of agression over bad suggs

[ashen warren]

issue i have with summoner is its really passive, and not very engaging to play

[fossil finch]

familiarity

[ashen warren]

1.3 vanilla was like that but whips changed it

[ruby plover]

Based fluffy based fluffy

[timber temple]

1.4 changed it alot for sure

[ruby plover]

Vanilla summoner is pretty nice

[ashen warren]

i like vanilla summoner ye

[north oracle]

[ashen warren]

i did a pt when 1.4 released (which was years ago now god) and it was fun

[ruby plover]

It’s easier to work with and make good because it doesn’t have such a sheer amount of items and combos

[timber temple]

vanilla summoner is great

[north oracle]

summoner will be fixed in cal one day

[ruby plover]

One day

[fossil finch]

wish youngling
Wish until you can no more

[ashen warren]

theres no rush :p

[ruby plover]

Yes there is

[ashen warren]

nuh uh

[ruby plover]

Gotta make it before vanilla releases their final update

[north oracle]

summoner will be fixed now

[ashen warren]

[golden sonnet]

this is a good joke

[north oracle]

[ruby plover]

[fossil finch]

do not rush it for it only leads to burnout (and eternal hell)

look at where feedza is now

(will calamity just forever cycle people who are set on reworking a specific class for the rest of eternity

[wide river]

Can't wait til next year when someone appears from the void to suddenly suggest 20 different ways to fix Ranger

[fossil finch]

death

[errant cradle]

The Cycle never ends

[golden sonnet]

this suggestion is evil

[north oracle]

(me next year)

[errant cradle]

Don't kill the critters

[buoyant idol]

@zenith wharf before posting

[fossil finch]

the cycle the cycle the cycle

[lucid marsh]

is mine good?

[errant cradle]

Also yeah ^

[zenith wharf]

No

Also I did

[fossil finch]

truly can't wait to see how this would look like ingame

[zenith wharf]

idc

[hybrid steeple]

"no"

[buoyant idol]

[errant cradle]

Doesn't really look like you did my guy

[wide river]

Bear's Eye is a developer item, so you'd need to get permission from who it's dedicated to

Being Lilac in this case

(Admin here)

[buoyant idol]

Just delete the suggestion, this is obviously a troll.

[fossil finch]

this a little lmao moment, a little lol time

[zenith wharf]

It's not a troll idiot

He's a cat

[coral carbon]

Yeah this dude has done nothing but post suggestions like this

[zenith wharf]

So I thought it could be a good idea

[coral carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[errant cradle]

yeah im just gonna

boop

[buoyant idol]

Formatted incorrectly + No reasoning + Donated

[zenith wharf]

Why does nobody like my suggestions I have good ones but the rules are stupidly strict

[golden sonnet]

if the rules restrict them, they are probably not good

[north oracle]

the rules exist to stop the devs from recieving stuff they'll never accept

[winged canyon]

here it is

[wide river]

Rover's working on dealing with the suggestion rules atm
However, what you've suggested just now was invalid

[fossil finch]

you typed that like you were ratioing him damn

[zenith wharf]

They are good it's not like I'm asking something stupid

[fossil finch]

yharim will be released tomorrow its real

[errant cradle]

You didn't follow the formatting
You have weak reasoning
The item is a dedicated item meaning you also need permission from the dedicatee
You have a track record for making suggs like this too

[lucid marsh]

they're not good, you just think they are good

[buoyant idol]

Trying to get the Ultrakill style ranking off him

[winged canyon]

whats the suggestion

[zenith wharf]

They are. You just don't have my imagination.

[buoyant idol]

Give a warn?

[zenith wharf]

Bear is a cat so small chance to kill small critters

[errant cradle]

Considering

[lucid marsh]

"make one of the pets kill critters"

its ridiculous

[wide river]

(I'm probably just gonna watch this, there's a few too many people in the chat that are downputting the suggestion)
(Time to lurk)

[fossil finch]

concerning.

[buoyant idol]

Make Bear (The pet) kill critters because he's a cat.

[winged canyon]

HOW IS A BEAR A CAT?

[lucid marsh]

no, you're just not sane

[zenith wharf]

Bro it's like 5% chance a second your simplifying it

[north oracle]

yeah it's been quite thouroughly established why that breaks the rules and was deleted

there's no point in continuing to bash the sugg

[buoyant idol]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bear's_Eye

[winged canyon]

oh ok

[zenith wharf]

How dare you. I'm not someone who takes these kind of insults online as jokes.

[lucid marsh]

mald

[buoyant idol]

Our savior is here

[zenith wharf]

It's just a small suggestion that doesn't make it bad

[winged canyon]

ok so um why do you want this in the game again?

paragraph incoming

[buoyant idol]

Rover just left the chat, we're doomed

[lucid marsh]

more seriously, you think too highly of yourself. If everyone else thinks you are wrong, it is more likely that you are wrong and not all those other people

[zenith wharf]

It just popped into my head, idk why everyone is fighting me for it if u don't like it then too bad, it's just a small suggestion that can be added or not it doesn't matter, I was just putting it out there. Now end of story.

[buoyant idol]

You blatently disregarded 4 major rules

With no reasoning outside of realism

[hollow shell]

@north oracle Do you think it would be prudent to mention Nimbus/Crimson Rod in your suggestion

[fossil finch]

god they already started talking like sephirot that was quick

[bright crag]

I've been thinking about Ethereal Talisman
I worry that, in the current state, it's too... universal

[zenith wharf]

Why do you act like I am threatening the president with a nuke it's just a small suggestion why does this matter so much to you

[bright crag]

In the sense that it has everything a Mage would need

[fossil finch]

well that is

literally every dog tier acc

[north oracle]

hmm
i'm not sure, yeah
How could i add those in without just generalising to stopping mage weapons from being summon weapons as a whole though?

although maybe that's not a bad idea to change it to tbh

[bright crag]

That doesn't leave much space free for other accessories to complement

[fossil finch]

like all of them have everything your class needs

[zenith wharf]

You don't have to blow up at me for just wanting a tiny thing in a massive mod that doesn't even have to be read by the devs

[fossil finch]

rogue is historically the one class with two split accs, the stealth one and the normal one, being eclipse mirror and nanotech

[lucid marsh]

This is also true because it's so good, you can't use something more fun and expect it to be as good

[fossil finch]

we guess that like

[lucid marsh]

It's boring

[bright crag]

Can you please be nice to each other

It's just a suggestion

[frosty trellis]

I love how you say that when E.Mirror is like, the second best spam accessory

[fossil finch]

ranger and melee have their smaller ones like insignia and the scopes but wdk

[zenith wharf]

It's the only normal cat pet and I just thought of this suggestion bc why not. If my format is bad whatever what else can I add, it's literally one thing

[fossil finch]

sure but emirror is themed around stealth so wdc

rogue mechanics bad

[lucid marsh]

We aren't even talking to you anymore

[hollow shell]

It would have to be by refuting them as counterarguments somehow
Cuz they're quite likely to be set in stone as vanilla items yet they do behave like sentries despite dealing magic damage

[zenith wharf]

Now I think you will be happy to know I am now leaving this channel idiot

[north oracle]

yeah
that is quite dumb

[fossil finch]

reminder summoner was originally a branch of mage and reminde

[north oracle]

that's a good point, i'll see what i can change for that

[buoyant idol]

[hollow shell]

btw reminder about that cool new Feedback Etiquette pin that we have

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, I've been trying to keep that in mind.

[fossil finch]

forever binded

[bright crag]

True, though I kinda worry that such thing leads to lack of variety
Pick melee, for example - while Gauntlet has a lot of stuff, you still look to other accessories for more niche effects
Meanwhile, there's very little in Mage that Ethereal Talisman doesn't do
It's simultaneously an issue with it having a lot, and the rest of Mage having not much

[north oracle]

should help a bit?

[fossil finch]

we mean if melee needs another acc for melee speed thats not really

interesting

[lucid marsh]

Better idea than what I posted: split the talisman into 3 accessories, one for each of the mana flower upgrades

[hollow shell]

@lucid marsh Official verbal warning on you for being needlessly inflammatory against that guy

[lucid marsh]

Oh sorry

[fossil finch]

if ranger needs 3 more accs for dmaage because hahahaha the scopes stack (lol) then wdk tbh

[bright crag]

That's not my point at all

[lucid marsh]

Most of the effects wouldn't stack, like the quivers, I imagine

[hollow shell]

Please be more patient and kind to suggestions even if / especially if they are rulebreaking

[fossil finch]

just make accs cooler 90% of calamitys accs are stat sticks to be honest

they dont at least in cal

[bright crag]

You should have the basics but also have the option to dabvle into more specific things in other places

[bright crag]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

pretty sure quivers and scope do in vanilla

[fossil finch]

we mean the other classes don't really have this then

at most melee with the focused true melee accs

but thats pretty much it

there is the ONE quiver acc but wdk

that doesnt really specify anything

like its not

specifying your play style or anything

[winged canyon]

hey i have a little suggestion bc i was playing mage PLEASE buff the spawn rates of see serpents grinding for the serpentine was an ABSOLUTE PAIN and it sucked that i grinded for so long and only used it for one boss

[fossil finch]

its suddenly you have angelic prism from the popular game the binding of isaac have fun

so like just make cool awesomer accs

[lucid marsh]

I didn't use that one but I probably should have

I was using the plague hive

Because it feels really good with high fire rate weapons

[fossil finch]

plague hive moment

will never forgive whoever did it for killing

plague hive with funny swarm gun

best mage combo in th world

calamity balancing and why it sucks (1/98735762477266)

[bright crag]

Fair enough

[drowsy plank]

i hate plague hive

why does it exist

[crude geode]

Remnant of old shit

[drowsy plank]

they had no problem deleting other stuff!!

[lucid marsh]

It's fun but probably kinda bad to exist

Something else should grant plague immunity

[hybrid steeple]

what even is it anyways

pbgs head or smth

[drowsy plank]

what

no the issue

is

it is identical

to alch flask

but with bees released when ur hit

why

[wide river]

And it's post-Cultist too
Totally worth waiting

[lucid marsh]

Uh no it releases bees when you hit an enemy

[drowsy plank]

no

that is when YOU get hit

it is exactly alch flask + honey comb but they removed the good effect (the honey buff on hit)

so now it's just a worthless clone of alch flask except maybe you do like 12 more damage if you get hit

it is very dumb

[north oracle]

it's annoying, yeah

idk why both of them have to exist

[drowsy plank]

if plague hive is going to exist. fucking. making it so something

u already craft alch flask anyway like 💥

[deft yew]

Post-Cultist Calamity try not to add a worthless dead-end instant upgrade to something from one or two bosses ago challenge

[crude geode]

Post cultist moment

[wide river]

Put Honey Comb in Alchemical Flask's recipe in place of Bee Wax then re-add Toxic Heart to Plague Hive

[small timber]

List like 3 dead end instant upgrade post-cultist (preferably accessories) that are by all means useless

1. plague hive

[wide river]

This will surely not cause problems

[drowsy plank]

just put fukcign hive pack back in i dont even think hive pack on its own is better than an emblem so what would even be the problem

[small timber]

Hive pack on its own depend on weapon is like 20-30 AP basically

[drowsy plank]

AUGH

i hate armor pen so much

[grim tusk]

What the actual fuck

(Also pretty sure the main reason hive pack was removed from plague hive was fucking Swarmer)

[small timber]

AP is halfed (20AP = 10 base damage)

PreHM weapon boosted from hive pack by like 5-10 base damage = 10-20 AP

[grim tusk]

[small timber]

I think Hive Pack used to boost some bee weapon by like 10-15 base damage which is why I said that amount of AP, it is about equivalent

Can give it the fungal symbiote treatment , 10% multi bee weapon damage

It will still be good (assuming hive pack have other effect or you just assume always combined), though overall huge nerf considering how most bee weapons are super heavy multihit

[worldly sparrow]

why does it feel like ive seen this exact sugg before

[small timber]

Everything dont have to "look cool"

I mainly use the cal healthbar over the vanilla "cool" version just because it is way cleaner, it does what a healthbar is supposed to do without unnecessary fancy things to obstruct you: how many hp the boss have left

[worldly sparrow]

oh yeah isnt the reasoning "would look cool" like, a don't?

cuz iirc it is

[hybrid steeple]

@zenith wharf maybe also bring up how the boss bar is straight up lifted from metal gear rising revengeance

[zenith wharf]

I don't know that

[hybrid steeple]

which isnt great for a non-easter egg part of the mod

[small timber]

Yes that if often more the problem than "it is not cool enough"

[zenith wharf]

What?

[lavish condor]

yeah something you see in literally every boss fight (Cal's main focus) being ripped from another game is not great

[worldly sparrow]

ok well its on the bad suggestion practices section of the don't doc

[zenith wharf]

Bro just because the reason is simple doesn't mean it's bad

[hybrid steeple]

ok cals main focus shouldnt be on boss fights anyways

[small timber]

Though personally I dont mind that it is a copy just because it is clean enough

[brazen minnow]

Are gel darts the ONLY post slime gid rogue weapon?

[worldly sparrow]

i like the mgr health bar a lot

its quite sleek

[lavish condor]

"It'd be cool" is a catchall reasoning that is usually an indication that you couldn't think of anything else

if you can add other reasons it's ok

[zenith wharf]

Literally what is wrong with my suggestion this is like my 5th one why does everyone hate me im trying to help

[hybrid steeple]

yeah its sleek and all. but its also lifted from another game

[worldly sparrow]

we're trying to help YOU

[hybrid steeple]

im literally just giving you some extra reasoning to help your suggestion pass

[zenith wharf]

Well you do it in a very mean way..

[lavish condor]

My intention is not to be mean

[worldly sparrow]

its just how the channel is

[zenith wharf]

You simplify my suggestion reasoning and make it sound bad

[lavish condor]

Looking at your suggestion as a voter, your reasoning is very weak and not pursuasive enough to get the votes it needs to pass

[sour basin]

thats teh only thing sweaty terraria players even care about lol

[zenith wharf]

"It would be cool" isn't the reasoning exactly

[worldly sparrow]

oh-

yeah

theres the exclam

[errant cradle]

cit lurking

[zenith wharf]

It would make more sense to make it look nicer and making it look nicer might make ppl use it more

The point is it's ugly.

[sour basin]

dont most people use the cal healthbar lol

[errant cradle]

Thats subjective

[sour basin]

if it aint broke why fix it

[errant cradle]

Hence why the reasoning is still pretty weak

[worldly sparrow]

design is subjective

[brazen minnow]

Hello

[north oracle]

the only health bar i'd use over the cal one is the infernum one for specific bosses like yharon, where I want to know about subphases

[royal tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/foiled-again-foil-again-cat-kitten-gif-24575588

[zenith wharf]

Then help me come up with another reason, what other reasons is there it's literally just a ui change to look nicer

[worldly sparrow]

yes, actually

[north oracle]

as it is i like the design of the cal one

[lavish condor]

the healthbar is a major UI element that is ripped directly from another game

[errant cradle]

YOU may think its ugly, but other players may not
I personally I have no issue with it. Looks nice, out of the way, does its job well

[small timber]

Suggestion's reasoning should not be entirely "this would be cool"

Because this reasoning is way too universal and arguably applicable to almost everything you can think of

Adding a new boss will be cool
Adding fancy ultra damage accessory combination will be cool
Add real life fish will be cool
Adding 5 new fishing rods with distinct effect will be cool
Revamp the entire rogue class to be cooler will be cool

Suggestion reasoning should not be universal, one of the main purpose of suggestion is to help identify a problem need resolving, so the reasoning should at least be very applicable/specific (at least to the point that it is not a "universal reasnoning")

[royal tapir]

Design stuff is subjective at the end of the day

[lavish condor]

The suggestion isn't saying "it'd be cool"

[small timber]

A suggestion can be "for cool", but it should not entirely be for cool

[zenith wharf]

ITS LITTERALLY JUST A UI CHANGE EHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE WHATS WRONG WITH MY SUGGESTION

[lavish condor]

^^^^^

[sour basin]

its unnecessary though

people like it fine already

[lavish condor]

Adding multiple healthbar options would be sleek

[zenith wharf]

JUST BECAUSE ITS SIMPLE DOES T MAKE IT BAD OH MY GOODNESS

[royal tapir]

Being aggressive will not get other people to help you

[errant cradle]

Lets try not to get shouty here

[worldly sparrow]

^

[sour basin]

it would just be more work for a feature that like 2 people will use tbh

[north oracle]

you have to answer the question "why should it be changed" in a way that people will agree with in voting
otherwise it simply won't get voted for

[lavish condor]

I'm actually for this suggestion if it means bossbar customization

[zenith wharf]

Well your being agressive and it's hurting my feelings. Then I get agressive and now I'm the bad guy

[sour basin]

arent their bossbar mods in workshop anyway

[errant cradle]

I

dont think

[north oracle]

just saying "it looks bad" doesn't convince voters