suggestions-discussion

[sand marlin]

If you want the music to play for longer just increase boss health

[lucid marsh]

Ok yes fair I suppose

I wanted to increase the length without increasing the difficulty

Pauses between attacks would do that

Or something like that

[sand marlin]

That would be pretty lame having random pauses like that which serve no purpose again even for the music it's unnecessary

Ruins the fight

[lucid marsh]

Yes that's fair

I would have timed it with the dialogue too

Gives you a chance to read them

[sand marlin]

That'd be good once terraria has more story elements

[lucid marsh]

The fight has dialog right now?

Anyways other thing: it would be great to be able to do something involving Silva's soul/essence in the abyss and the dryad, maybe have our dryad absorb the essence for power

[sand marlin]

The dialogue is just chat messages

That's not much if you're actually thinking of story elements

[lucid marsh]

Yeah not still I'd make that chat messages coincide with the boss gaining damage reduction and attacking less

To slow down the fight a little

[sand marlin]

It'd be better to just make a short scene

That's the kind of story element I'm talking

Not some old school methods

Miles better at setting the atmosphere and mood

[lucid marsh]

What

I mean I guess

[frosty trellis]

Don't need either
My original BLENDER facetank was with Statis's Void Sash so I'm not concerned

When I did it as a joke

And it ended up working for no reason

[regal willow]

🤔

[sand marlin]

Fargo's Mutant already has this feature

[fleet flume]

?

[sand marlin]

In configs

[fleet flume]

Oh.

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[fleet flume]

I didn't know that.

[hollow shell]

Oh it does?

(I feel like I already knew that but forgot)

[fleet flume]

Well at least it exists.

I think Tesla's effect could be resprited though.

Just because it gets in the way.

[glass arch]

@neon tree infernum is not an official part of calamity, and suggestion-posting is for game suggestions only

[hollow shell]

Indeed
Infernum is not made by the Calamity people

[fossil finch]

teslas effect havint the whole cricle sprited is foul

like why did you do that

the circumference was enough!!

[glass arch]

the evilest part is what happens when you shroom

[golden sonnet]

[neon tree]

It was an example

[grim tusk]

Its not a valid example

[neon tree]

You're not a valid example

[glass arch]

doesnt dokuro own the playlist with cal music anyways

[grim tusk]

^

[hollow shell]

The only official tracks in the Calamity OST are made by DM Dokuro

(and the three collab tracks with SixteeninMono)

[hollow ridge]

Isn't he the rock guy

[glass arch]

so even if it did pass you wouldnt be able to do anything because dokuro has purposefully distanced himself from calamity

[grim tusk]

any track in the game is official tbh

[hollow shell]

For the purposes of what ends up on a platform like Spotify, Dokuro's are the only official ones

If HPU or Charlie manage to get some kind of distribution deal going on and have their tracks added to Spotify
then
That'd be cool

[grim tusk]

Thats what I was going to say lol

[hollow shell]

but they weren't a part of The Tale of a Cruel World when it was published

[glass arch]

shrimply use soundcloud

[hollow shell]

(idk how likely it is that Charlie's would though, as in he probably wouldn't be willing,
considering he kinda ended up in a similar emotional position as Dokuro)

[buoyant idol]

Are the upcoming songs still coming btw?

[fossil finch]

one would hope

[random talon]

my brother is convinced that calamity shouldn't nerf the Soaring Insignia

I told him to make a suggestion about it

but before he does, plz give me a list of reasons why the Soaring Insignia should stay nerfed

[fervent orbit]

[random talon]

if he wants infinite flight, just get Infernum mod and have Providence active 24/7

[whole tundra]

Should i make a suggestion about making creating The Tale of a Cruel World's Music box able to be created pre-boss

It doesn't really make sense that it drops from the starter bag yet recreating it requires 2 hardmode materials

[buoyant idol]

Reversion suggestion, he isn’t allowed. Simple way to shut him down.

[random talon]

he'll want more reasoning than that, I just know it!

I brought up how the bosses aren't balanced around having infinite flight

and he said "so balance them!"

[grim tusk]

Acceleration and movement boosts better than Magiluminescence (talking about vanilla’s versions); it also works in the air
Fucking frog leg jump boost (48%)

With the two above it would be broken already; Cal nerfs both.
But then the biggest offender comes in:
Infinite flight; which trivializes any fight not built around it and even does it for vanilla Moon Lord to an extent (but it aint as noticeable there due to ML’s predictiveness in vanilla being bullshit)

ML in vanilla with besty wings + insignia is a fucking joke

[small timber]

the only way to balance infinite flight is by making so every single boss limits your arena in some way

[grim tusk]

So his reasoning is the same as the one sugg that got super exclamed

[small timber]

because the point of limited flight is limit movement

[royal tapir]

He has a point tbh, let's invite Little Timmy to caldev so he can just shrimply balance every boss from Cultist to SCal around infinite flight from a single accessory within 2 weeks

[small timber]

and turns out every single major boss that do not limit your arena end up have to give you flight time reduction debuff exactly because flight is so strong, let alone infinite flight

ie: Providence, DOG

Yharon is an exception because it already have an arena
Scal of course have an arena
Exo is pretty much meant to be a free for all fight so limiting flight do not make much sense

[royal tapir]

[fervent orbit]

wdym from cultist onward

eol is literally accessible anytime in hm

[random talon]

nah man, you don't gotta do him like that!

[small timber]

now people can complain about how every single boss force you to use soaring insignia instead of 15% emblem no.5

[fervent orbit]

[grim tusk]

Also if he wants to have flight the majority of the fight just use rails or sloped platforms in the arena

[random talon]

that's near exactly what he just said!

[small timber]

but yeah tldr for infinite flight:

1. you either slap them onto the player without being limited to 1 accessory, like Exo Blender/DoG wall or half of Infernum fight so that Soaring Insignia is not a hard requirement; OR
2. you make it not exist

[royal tapir]

Why should I care about non-linearity with balance

[small timber]

there is no other ways to "properly balance it" without forcing every boss to be super arena limited

[grim tusk]

And bullshit level bullet hells

[random talon]

I got an idea regarding the Onyx Excavator Key

nerf its mining speed from "instant" to "really good" in Pre-HM, give it it's OG status in HM

[grim tusk]

Quite unnecessary

Also tbh if you found the onyx lab early you kinda deserve it

[whole tundra]

?

[grim tusk]

Go ahead

[ashen warren]

yea but what if it spawns somewhere like next to you or under you or on top of you or some place you can get it at the start of the game

[drowsy plank]

that is not how onyx lab works

[ashen warren]

but if you get it before you lay hands on any metal bars then you'll effectivley skip the prehardmode mining phase

[small timber]

the solution is clearly to hide onyx lab in the edge of the underworld and excavator key locked behind a shadowchest

[drowsy plank]

you literally could not do that it is in the deep caverns you WILL find enough iron to make an anvil before that

and like good luck even finding it without a lab locator

[ashen warren]

aaah

[small timber]

yeah, if you find the shadowchest chances are you progressed through prehardmode mining phase already

unless you deliberately skip mining and only looking for onyx lab, which is super unrealistic unless in like a small world (I am not even sure if small world don't break the game anymore)

[ashen warren]

it does

I think

[oblique geyser]

Extremely real

[ashen warren]

shut

[drowsy plank]

small worlds still break the game and even if u do do a small world you still need to mine through. the entire top 70% of the world

[oblique geyser]

Insignia is extremely broken as is

[ashen warren]

ooooooooooooooooh ok

[oblique geyser]

I'm pretty sure I had it on every infernum nohit from cultist to SCal

[ashen warren]

ok tryhard

[drowsy plank]

you could nerf insignia again and id prolly still be using it on exos

[oblique geyser]

Nerf harpy ring to 10% and insignia to 20

Okay but harpy ring is absurd too

[small timber]

@ mpg yo log in dude time to tank blender with the new meta

[oblique geyser]

Harpy Ring when it is prehardmode insignia

[fervent orbit]

onyx mount tank meta

actually wait

thats kinda meta for tanking as summoner

[small timber]

just make blender deal debuff damage instead of direct damage so you can get hit by blender and the 4 arms attack at the sametime smhmyhead
scal moons too

[royal tapir]

Now that I think about it

[small timber]

eventhough I know this will never happen I still like the idea over current iteration (of touching 1.00nanometer of the attacks take 9000 damage)

[royal tapir]

Pretty sure wiki has lied this whole time when it says that ADR stuff is completely unaffected by scaling

[oblique geyser]

Okay yeah I checked and I literally had insignia for every post EoL infernum nohit

It's insanely broken as is, even if the boss gives infinite flight the acceleration is crazy

[drowsy plank]

honestly you could just make the title theme craftable by hand and i dont think anyone would bat an eye

idk why its even crag themed anyway lmao

[whole tundra]

Maybe due to old lore?

[drowsy plank]

most likely

[wide river]

Meanwhile me who just clicked somewhere on the map and somehow found it

[undone holly]

I’ve found it in all my recent calamity playthroughs (large worlds) pretty early on by just stumbling upon it, granted it was only after first evil boss for two of the worlds

[wide river]

Discord did an oopsie again
Both of these two suggestions had their votes snapped (at least on my end)
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

damn

i love discord it is so functioal

[hollow shell]

The last time this happened, the votes returned after some time

So it should be fine

[wide river]

Let's hope that

If they don't come back I can just resuggest it later, no big deal

[sand marlin]

They look fine to me

Since like ten minutes

[golden tulip]

this problem will really just fix itself over time

it was the same for scal rename

[hollow shell]

My hope is still on "Elohim Tracers", as in God

The name swap was a bad idea, should have just been new names on both

[wide river]

@unborn tree I believe this suggestion enters SIS (Specific Item Suggestion) territory

[unborn tree]

I was just reading the doc on that, and I don't think it does

[hollow shell]

I disagree that it is an SIS

Its reasoning has precedent because of Zenith

[wide river]

Perhaps

But it is still invalid as it asks for a reversion, no?

[hollow shell]

one sec

[unborn tree]

Mm, I don't think so. I was looking over the doc to make sure I didn't make a suggestion no-no, and I didn't find anything saying you cannot make a suggestion like the one I did. The only thing close are the SIS and weapon balance suggestion

[wide river]

I'm going to wait for Rover's judgement on this

[unborn tree]

yea

[golden sonnet]

Insignia is still really really good

[fervent orbit]

there should be a dont on blatantly op stuff smh

[golden sonnet]

"destroys its usefulness in virtually all circumstances" is just not true at all

[hollow shell]

I would also not say it is a reversion, because Soaring Insignia was never post-Yharon
It's an alternative solution rather than just throwing out the existing solution

[wide river]

That is a fair point

[unborn tree]

An entire accessory slot for 10% movement speed and 25% increased wing time? I don't see how that's worth it because it also requires another accessory slot for wings. Perhaps I was being dramatic when I said that specific line, but I still feel like the SI is too weak to warrent basically two accessory slots

[fervent orbit]

forgetting the fact that it also gives increased accel and better frog leg

its literally the ultimate movement accessory

[golden sonnet]

^ the vertical speed soaring gives is insane

[grim tusk]

10% jump speed
Fat acceleration (even post-nerf); which is a multiplier
Speed being multiplier and not a boost

[fervent orbit]

o yea

[cobalt pewter]

me when

me when yharon lore (insignia before it was cool)

[fervent orbit]

it is a multi

it literally says x1.1

[grim tusk]

And unlike magi it works in the air

[unborn tree]

I just never really see people using it, either myself, anyone I talk to, or videos I watch, so it feels like a shame to make this really good accessory so much worse. Perhaps it's better than I originally thought, but still a far cry from what it was

[hollow shell]

(Needless. Nobody will intentionally suggest something balance breaking unless it was a gray/subjective area, in which case a rule wouldn't help. Better handled in feedback convo)

[grim tusk]

They dont know its still strong; they just see Cal nerfed it and dont even try it

[fervent orbit]

you dont watch nohits?

[unborn tree]

I do, actually

Just apparently not the same ones you do lol

[grim tusk]

Also nohits use Insignia often

[unborn tree]

That's fair, but how many regular people playing the mod do no-hits?

[grim tusk]

Many nohitters keep their videos unlisted

[fervent orbit]

soaring insignia also effects decceleration right?

[grim tusk]

Even in regular play people still use Insignia on Exos

[grim tusk]

Kinda as it just accelerates the movement in the opposite direction so you can turn faster in midair

[fervent orbit]

👍

so even on scal its really great as decceleration lets you not run into bullets easier

[unborn tree]

Even if it is good where it is in progression, I think having a non-nerfed, or at least less nerfed version accessible later on would be a good idea.

[fervent orbit]

why soaring insignia

[unborn tree]

If I remember, there was a Yharon item that gave infinite flight but didn't cost an accessory slot

[fervent orbit]

why not just

[grim tusk]

This was an idea I gave in dev; people liked it but no infinite flight at all

[fervent orbit]

a new movement acc

[grim tusk]

Yharon lore item; which also had a 50% dmg penalty

[golden sonnet]

yharim gift rework moment

please

[wide river]

Not quite "infinite", but it had an absurd amount of flight that you would not be running out of normally

[unborn tree]

Well, that's basically what I suggested, it would just use the SI as a base

[grim tusk]

Change the title of the suggestion then

[unborn tree]

What to?

[fervent orbit]

why do u need to specify its ingrediants

thats specific

[grim tusk]

“Add a soaring insignia upgrade” or smth

[fervent orbit]

"a new movement accessory in post ml" ideally

[grim tusk]

^

[grim tusk]

Also yes, no specifying ingredients

[fervent orbit]

honestly id like something post polter but od does drop old duke scales now which is a movement acc

[unborn tree]

The point of the suggestion was to get the soaring insignia back to the way it was but move it to a point where those specific stat boosts are more balanced. I don't really care how it's done, maybe a new item, maybe just un-nerfing the SI

[hollow shell]

??

[unborn tree]

Specifying "Add a new item" might be overkill or too much specificity

[hollow ridge]

I put the ones I'm proud of on public

[hollow shell]

The suggestion is about Soaring Insignia, why wouldn't he be able to ask for an upgrade with SI as an ingredient?

[grim tusk]

Auric bars

[unborn tree]

I did say "Perhaps"

Doesn't mean it needs to be that way

Just something to make it post yharon

Heck, it could even be post Exo or SCal

[grim tusk]

True, thats reasonable

Didnt see the perhaps

[unborn tree]

And I was also basing it off the way the Zenith was handled

Moved post Yharon by adding auric bars

[hollow shell]

alright that makes more sense, I was confused

[unborn tree]

Perhas I should just remake the suggestion to be more clear overall as to what my goal is

[fringe sky]

ehh the scal rename really wasn't much of one, "supreme witch, calamitas" vs "supreme calamitas" is basically the same, just a different nomencalture

compared to the tracer rename it's a lot more confusing and problematic, as it's two names that both existed in the past but at different tiers being swapped

[unborn tree]

Alright, I reworded it to hopefully be more clear now

[grim tusk]

The title and what you ask are totally different things @unborn tree

And as we mentioned soaring insignia is still extremely useful

[unborn tree]

What would you recommend as a title then?

[grim tusk]

If you want an upgrade to SI specify that

[unborn tree]

huh?

I said I don't care how it gets done

[grim tusk]

And reword the suggestion to be more specific with an upgrade

[unborn tree]

Whether that be an ungrade or not

[grim tusk]

SI will stay post-EoL but we are not unnerfing it

[hollow shell]

No? An upgrade isn't the only solution the sugg proposes

[drowsy plank]

im so confused

rover we've struck these down before

[grim tusk]

It also proposes tier shifting it

[drowsy plank]

YOU've struck these down before before i was even mod

i have no idea why they'd be allowed now

[unborn tree]

@grim tusk Alright, I don't know how more clear I can be than this:
I want to see the SI back to the way it was, but obviously it has to be later in progression to be balanced. I don't care how this is achieved

[fervent orbit]

seeing all of this makes it just seem like

[drowsy plank]

we already have an item for infinite flight it's called exo box

[fervent orbit]

not mentioning si is a good idea

[grim tusk]

If we gave infinite flight back its just gonna fucking go to shadowspecs lol

[unborn tree]

Alright, works for me

[grim tusk]

Or Yharim’s accessory drop when that happens

[grim tusk]

Also this

[unborn tree]

That's a mount tho

And also not what I'm asking for

Like, infinite flight existed as far back as the cosmic car key/witch's broom

[fossil finch]

just saying but being annoyingly contrarian to a suggestion like this is weir

[drowsy plank]

how would retiering soaring insignia even work besides randomly making you refight a late hardmode boss at the same tier as boss rush

[glass arch]

wanted infinite flight? we had that, it was called cosmic car key

[drowsy plank]

it seems very silly

[fossil finch]

you could just remove it from her drop pool and make it a shadowspec craft

[grim tusk]

Just ask for a soaring insignia upgrade instead of suggesting to retier it

[unborn tree]

I didn't say "make EoL only drop SI after yharon", I have no idea where you got that idea

[fossil finch]

... or do the upgrade instead thats also being suggested

!!!!!!!!

[unborn tree]

It seems like people are coming up with bad ideas for ways to implement this, then saying my suggestion is bad because of that

[fervent orbit]

the title

[hollow shell]

I am looking through delete notifs and none of them have suggested this exactly
I see adding it to the final Tracers, I see making the nerf a config option, and I see restoring the infinite flight outside of boss battles

Actually there is one sugg that is most comparable to this
Except, it looked like this

[fervent orbit]

also i think the reason why mounts are allowed to have inf flight but not wings is because they have a speed cap

[hollow shell]

(not to shit on this user, I'm just sayin there are other reasons it woulda gotten flagged)

[fossil finch]

also because they literally disallow any and all normal movement

[fervent orbit]

i mean

restrict to certain stuff

yea

[unborn tree]

There, changed the title again, happy now?

[fervent orbit]

why do u delete it everytime

[drowsy plank]

okay i found one of the convos ill need to do more digging

[hollow ridge]

Prolly js a mobile thing

Where an edit makes it look like a new message

(?)

[fervent orbit]

wat???

[fervent orbit]

????????????

[unborn tree]

No, I just don't want it to say "edited"
I don't see why it matters to you tho

[drowsy plank]

okay the main reason im getting hung up on this is
because I remember making a suggestion just like this except the idea was trying to reimplement yharon lore item
i cannot find it anymore tho which is annoying me

[fervent orbit]

its not like anyone will see the edited in 24 hours

[hollow shell]

The lil "edited" will disappear anyway when it gets transferred to #suggestions-voting so you don't gotta worry about that

[hollow ridge]

Nvm I'm stupid

[grim tusk]

Title and 1st paragraph is better
2nd paragraph got worse

[unborn tree]

It's just an OCD thing, it's totally irrelevant to the actual discussion

[grim tusk]

We will not have scaling items

[fossil finch]

crying like

[unborn tree]

I don't mean to be rude, but it feels like you're missing the point of my suggestion and just nit-picking without offering actual help. Like, how many times do I need to reword this suggestion?

[fossil finch]

then ignore it

[glass arch]

aside from the one thats already there

(not counting dedicated items they do not exist they cannot hurt you

[drowsy plank]

community is the scaling item because that is its gimmick

[unborn tree]

Like I said before, I literally do not care how this is implemented, I just want the old SI back. If you don't like the idea of how I suggested it be implemented, then come up with another idea

[fossil finch]

anyways its not like suggs have to be perfect right away if the ratio of implementation is low the ratio of implementations that did exactly what the suggestion said is even lower

[fervent orbit]

theres an item that scales aside from community?

[drowsy plank]

if you want old Soaring back you can just download a reversion mod

[royal tapir]

Patreon items are specifically forbidden from having scaling stats

[drowsy plank]

idk why this sugg is getting so much attention that's all we used to say about these kinds of suggs lmao

[glass arch]

p sure psa slightly scales

[fervent orbit]

it does not

[royal tapir]

PSA does not scale

[fervent orbit]

its either vanity or usable

[hollow shell]

Not a great counterargument
(for one, idk if those even exist for this?)

[fossil finch]

yes

[glass arch]

calamity unnerf

[fervent orbit]

plenty do

[fossil finch]

there is one for everything rover

[fervent orbit]

iirc 2 exist

[eternal escarp]

calamity nerf unnerf mod

[fossil finch]

you should know how this works at this point

[eternal escarp]

or whatever its name is

[hollow ridge]

🗿

[glass arch]

removes every single cal nerf to a vanilla item iirc

[hollow shell]

Fair enough

[unborn tree]

I don't want to use a mod that un-balances calamity, I just want the old SI to be officially in the mod. Why is this such a big deal?

[grim tusk]

If the suggestion was invalid atm it would have been exclamed

[hollow ridge]

s quid

[drowsy plank]

they do
i swear to god i feel like i have dementia the number of times this convo has come up before why can't i find any of them

[fossil finch]

we do agree that since the sugg isnt just saying "unnerf insignia" its not really a great argument to just go and say "download the mod that does that"

[eternal escarp]

i think i remembee what you mean

[fervent orbit]

wasnt it alr mentioned that devs dont want an acc that does inf flight

[eternal escarp]

but hell if id dig up and find a convo like it

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

i mean i did find one

it was
unsuprisingly from equinox

[fossil finch]

the devs can suck it hahahaha we are very mean and evil

[drowsy plank]

but i dont think it fits perfectly here

[eternal escarp]

damn

[glass arch]

yharons old lore item was broken even WITH the -25% damage

[hollow shell]

(You could have made it more clear that the sugg is valid in its current state
Considering you exclam'd it before, your feedback comes across as "fix this or I'll exclam it again")

[fossil finch]

honestly there is probably some point of contention about the fact that infinite flight doesnt really break that many fights

[unborn tree]

@grim tusk What precisely is your problem with the second paragraph of my suggestion?

[fervent orbit]

probably because it didnt cost a slot

[unborn tree]

Yes, this

[fervent orbit]

"perhaps simply by changing the stats of the item after a boss is defeated " this part

where it scales

[hollow ridge]

Scaling is a big nono apparently

[unborn tree]

Well, you're not Shade, but if that's actually what he thinks

[hollow ridge]

Balancing hell or smth

[grim tusk]

Sugg dont iirc

[fervent orbit]

.

[fossil finch]

its only balacning hell if you want to

we mean

[fervent orbit]

i think thats what he thinks because he said so

[hollow shell]

I feel bad about enforcing the scaling Don't like this, considering it was written with Legendary Weapons and The Community in mind,
as in, scaling many times throughout the whole game

[fossil finch]

y e a

[hollow shell]

And that Don't was created when SIS's were still allowed

[undone holly]

what did it do?

[fervent orbit]

that is a slight problem yes

[fossil finch]

y e a

[fervent orbit]

it was like 15 minute flight time for reduced damage

[hollow shell]

I see it as one of the greatest candidates for removal when we have that dev convo

which is why I want it to happen soon...

[fervent orbit]

personally, it can just be reworded to "scales multiple times continiously" or smthn like that

[unborn tree]

Firstly, the scaling was simply a SUGGESTION on how it MIGHT be done, not that I specifically want that. Notice how there are also other suggestions on how it might be done.
Second, I based that specific "scaling" on the Profaned Soul Crystal because it's basically "works one way before X boss, and another way after" and not "this item continually scales throughout the game", which would be what causes balancing issues.

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao this already got rejected

[undone holly]

15 minutes??? What’s the point of even limiting it at that point?

[hollow shell]

RIP but also 1 year ago

[hollow ridge]

If u wanna fly for 16 mins

[fervent orbit]

i alr discussed slightly how psa doesnt really fit the "scales" thing

its just vanity or usable

[fossil finch]

this is truly a sugg disc moment

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt "scale"

[undone holly]

fair

[drowsy plank]

boss rush estimated kill time is 20 minutes

[unborn tree]

And where in my message did I suggest that it "scale"?

[hollow ridge]

25 no?

[fervent orbit]

"changing the stats of the item after a boss is defeated"

[fossil finch]

mortis

[hollow shell]

(If only Aquatic Heart still had its post-Skeletron actual scaling, then there'd be definite precedent)

[unborn tree]

That does't say "scale"

[fervent orbit]

it increases its stats so it scales

[hollow ridge]

That's what scaling is homie

[hollow shell]

wait

[hollow shell]

It does.

[unborn tree]

Alright, but you guys are still missing the point

[fossil finch]

you guys should legitimatel stop even rover doesnt care,.,

[unborn tree]

I do not care how this effect is achieved
If you don't want scaling, then don't do it

If you want to add a new item, do tat

I literally do not care

[fervent orbit]

it goes from vanity -> usable

same way with psc

[unborn tree]

I was just trying to be helpful by adding suggestions on how it might be done

[hollow shell]

So there is precedent in Calamity for an item only getting its stronger effects after a boss kill

[fossil finch]

xd

[fervent orbit]

actually wait

light isnt vanity

[eternal escarp]

man i think everyone forgot this itwm exists

[fervent orbit]

this is a huge disaster

[hollow ridge]

I forgor 💀

[hollow shell]

I am indeed trying to defend this guy as hard as possible

[royal tapir]

Light is very different from a stat boost

[fervent orbit]

light is very important for the abyss actually

[unborn tree]

Alright, I changed the suggestion again

I literally don't know how I can be more clear with what I want

[royal tapir]

Anyway it's not fully wrong but devs are still gonna reject the suggestion either way, cog pulled up history of it being rejected in the past

[hollow shell]

We just recently pinned the feedback etiquette pin and I'm trying to follow along with it

[undone holly]

I’ve never gotten it legit so I assumed it was removed

[fervent orbit]

it was a year ago and

year ago happened

[royal tapir]

I cannot imagine the majority opinion has changed either way

[fervent orbit]

true

[hollow shell]

counterpoint:

[fossil finch]

beCuase devs are LAM

[hollow shell]

pre 22 post 22

[royal tapir]

I stand by my point

[fossil finch]

) joke joking ljke jokin joke its a lightheart

[royal tapir]

Ender take your normal pills

smhing

[fervent orbit]

just a hunch

[drowsy plank]

here's stip from 3 months ago confirming they still dont plan on adding anything like this

[fossil finch]

or is it you that needs their normal pills

[drowsy plank]

little better than a year ago at least

[fervent orbit]

i think they said a joke

[fossil finch]

think about it

we are not the calamity dev,.,

[royal tapir]

What is particularly not normal

[eternal escarp]

stip became dev post 22 didnt they

i honestly cannot remmeber

[drowsy plank]

i think so but this is post-22 so it's good still

[fossil finch]

what we want to say is not approved by the vatican

[eternal escarp]

the vatican does not agree with our statements

[royal tapir]

That's wild bro

[fervent orbit]

ok grandpa lets get you to bed

[eternal escarp]

anyways i mean i think the convo is over

[fossil finch]

y ea

[unborn tree]

I feel like the conversation has totally digressed from the original point. Is my suggestion as is acceptable? Does it break any rules or invalidate itself in anyway?

[eternal escarp]

sugg is valid
its just not likely to pass

[fossil finch]

no

[eternal escarp]

is it not.valid?

[fossil finch]

)answering their second question=

[eternal escarp]

ic

[hollow shell]

Shade seems to think the sugg is valid. He said he willingly did not exclam it.

[drowsy plank]

i guess it's valid but i can already tell you that i doubt they're gonna change their minds on this in the span of three months

[unborn tree]

Awesome, thanks

[fervent orbit]

its valid

[hollow ridge]

That's so commonplace, convo starts off with the sugg, and ends off on something completely different but somewhat related

[fossil finch]

its very sugg discpilled

[hollow shell]

(Never say Yes/No to an "or" question )

[hollow ridge]

Like there was a sugg abt some building blocks a while ago

[fervent orbit]

wat if the answer to both is yes or no

[hollow ridge]

Then an hour later they were discussing whether creative or survival mc was better or smth

[eternal escarp]

then i will kill you for confusion fraud

[hollow ridge]

I don't recall

[drowsy plank]

put noob in the dungeon

[eternal escarp]

which one

[fervent orbit]

BUT

BUT I DONT BELIEVE IN A GOD

WHY WAS I IN YHARIMS CRUSADE

[drowsy plank]

all of them

[eternal escarp]

you better pick a god and start praying then because no one will save you now

[hollow shell]

idk what you're going on about

[eternal escarp]

anyways yeah

[drowsy plank]

im just trying to move the convo on from dogpiling more

[fervent orbit]

providence because yes i want to be burnt into sinless ash

||statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged||

[unborn tree]

K, imma mute the channel again, pls ping if necessary

[grim tusk]

Sugg is valid; BUT
Its likely gonna rejected again, and as I mentioned before the idea of a soaring insignia upgrade was discussed in dev already

[unborn tree]

Ok

[bright crag]

Joined as tester before, became dev right after

[eternal escarp]

ah right

[bright crag]

If an infinite fight accessory ever exists, it'll certainly be post-Yharim

[wide river]

Sorry to change the subject abruptly but

[fervent orbit]

convos over anyway its fine

[lucid marsh]

Infinite flight isn't nearly as strong as everyone thinks it is

[bright crag]

And Elysian fits pretty well with Providence tier as it's based on gods.
Elysian isn't Providence tier (and that sucks)
Just a funny little detail

[bright crag]

^

[wide river]

Probably not soon
I found that if I resuggest something immediately after its voting cycle is done, it performs worse
So I usually wait a few weeks before resuggesting something

[astral python]

Isn’t it more a matter of acceleration & decent speed?
Example: The Black Spot has infinite flight, but you’ll likely fight bosses better w/ a pair Terraboots and Fledg wings

[lucid marsh]

The black spot is ridiculously slow these days

If you make the soaring insignia reduce speed, it's suddenly balanced, probably

[hollow shell]

Yeah, probably, yeah.

[astral python]

Probably, but then it becomes redundant. Most would opt for an infinite flight mount and save the accessory slot

Correction. I cannot speak for others. I would opt for an infinite flight mount if the speed is the same as a slower infinite flight mount

[lucid marsh]

I would too, but other people wouldn't

[hollow shell]

I would prefer it have a big unique function that comes with counterbalancing, than to take away its unique function and have it essentially just be a good stat stick

[lucid marsh]

I already didn't use the soaring insignia out of preference

Make it reduce flight speed or something like that, but only a little, so that it's still faster vertically than most mounts

[astral python]

I find myself using the black spot right now for its ability to hover when I -need- it, but I’ll 100% switch to wings and treads when I don’t need it

[hollow shell]

(A lot of my personal design philosophy is based around stuff like this)

(I place a lot of value on stuff being interesting, more so than stuff being viable)

[deft yew]

Viability is obviously an important thing to have
But it should be the very last thing you ever worry about

[astral python]

Stuff being interesting is exactly why my Elden Ring builds suck in PvP

But I 100% agree on interesting. Things with character are more pleasing than things that are just viable

[hollow shell]

(being viable is important too but if it comes down to it, I would rather someone appreciate the potential in something cool that's not good enough to use, than to use something that is boringly good)

[astral python]

Agreed

[hollow shell]

((ideally of course it's both interesting and well-balanced
but that's the harder and more time-consuming route))
((the easy way out is boringly good))

((and when you got a mod as massive as Calamity, there isn't always the time or resources to give everything the interesting good treatment, and you gotta settle))

[deft yew]

Broadsword speech bubble

[astral python]

Example could be… when you are near the threshold of the wings (the one had before soaring insignia), acceleration & speed reduces. You still get infinite flight, but at a cost.

[deft yew]

Some things don’t need to be there in the first place

[novel belfry]

but thats a story for another day

[wintry gale]

can i sugg something proposing different ways to fix a problem based on a feature change?

like "make x thing or change y to solve z problem"

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[wintry gale]

okay

[drowsy plank]

i mean at least based off of that
most of the time the point of a suggestion is trying to solve a problem and giving multiple solutions so

yes that is the intended way to use the channel

[wintry gale]

oh ok lmao

[golden sonnet]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[glass arch]

lmfao

@jovial spire its jesus again

[jovial spire]

i have been summoned

[coral carbon]

the classic "every dont at once" suggestion

[jovial spire]

@tough torrent channel of for actual serious suggestions, will be delating that. Please refer to the pins before making a suggestion.

[bright crag]

Your suggestion lacked the proper formatting (title, then the suggestion) and it breaks two rules

Specifically

• SIS (Specific Item Suggestion)
• Using "it would be cool/why not" as reasoning

[random talon]

what was the suggestion?

[grim tusk]

Meme suggestion

[bright crag]

"Add Jesus summon because why not"

[random talon]

bruh

[hollow shell]

(that's not even an exaggeration of how short it was, either)

[grim tusk]

Probably not as good as [the one who shall not be named](#calamity-mod-talk message)

[hollow shell]

But
Yeah
We don't allow joke suggestions here

[coral carbon]

ok but when are you adding fogbound

[pine star]

ah yes
the fogbound

[random talon]

just realized that I plan to add a metal ore titled "Fogbound Ore"

fml

[coral carbon]

real

[fervent orbit]

ok but when is chaos elemental breaking the 5th wall and letting us further advance particle physics to an infinite level where we will be able to create wormholes

[hollow shell]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Fogbound_Dye

This item may or may not have been created by Grox, a former modder.

[tough torrent]

I'm sorry

It's not a bad idea tho

[hollow shell]

shush

[tough torrent]

K

:(

[coral carbon]

what is even the origin of fogbound? ik the copypasta but is it deeper than that?

[grim tusk]

The joke suggestion of all time

[hollow shell]

I think Fogbound was originally posted on the Terraria forums actually

[coral carbon]

fogbound reminds me of an old joke in the Fruitbat Factory server where at one point in the suggestions channel someone wrote something along the lines of "hello.. I have a new mode, it is called shadow game. The way this game works is that when a someone dies, they die forever, and the match ends when everyone dies. If you dont add this, I will not play the game anymore." there was more to it but Idr the whole thing 😭

[bold wave]

If you're gonna rename them, don't stick with "x tracers" pls 😭

[tough torrent]

💀there's so many rules

Brb ima read em

[bold wave]

But I agree that they should have better names. My sugg was kind of a placeholder for until the devs come up with something better.

[wintry gale]

The people forced them to it

[wintry gale]

I guess the current name can be considered as a placeholder already

[regal willow]

2 soaring insignia suggs 🥳

[coral carbon]

i feel like this would just make the soaring insignia worthless

and also yeah

🥳

[regal willow]

scal now drops soaring insignia for exo mechs 🥳

[wintry gale]

Soaring insignia is actually worth using depenging on the situation

Imo

[stable kiln]

omg all the insignia suggestions 😭

its so so good as it currently is in calamity

after all the nerfs

[lucid marsh]

It's already worthless

[ruby plover]

I wouldn’t call current insignia super super fantastic, but like this isn’t a segue into calling it bad it’s still real good 😭 and it still has this identity thing

[golden sonnet]

we've been over this, SI is really really good right now

[lucid marsh]

I disagree. flight time is not a useful stat beyond the level you get from regular wings

[ruby plover]

It’s not as black and white easy to see a buff to your loadout as, say, an emblem, or something that boosts defense

But the general speed boost + flight time boost is real good, and generally you have more options for how you want to move when you have more flight time

[lucid marsh]

I will never use a pair of wings after I get the steampunk or mothron wings and then the tracers or whatever they're called

[ruby plover]

Plus like, keeping it as a speed and flight accessory IS it’s identity

[lucid marsh]

Let alone dedicate another slot to them

[coral carbon]

and the proposed suggestion to make it significantly slow down your wing acceleration just completely kills any use it has

infinite flight doesnt mean shit when you're slow

[lucid marsh]

Infinite flight doesn't mean shit when you're fast either

So uh yeah the suggestion was just bad

[golden sonnet]

idk how to phrase this, but the fact you use tracers over wings shows why you don't value soaring insignia.

it's just your personal preference

[ruby plover]

You’re takes are strange

[coral carbon]

?????

[stable kiln]

lmfao ok

[ruby plover]

But in any case, the suggestion doesn’t even stand an iota of a chance

It’s been suggested like a million times really

[frosty trellis]

????????????
How????

[ruby plover]

Don’t question it don’t question it

[frosty trellis]

Being fast would make infinite flight even more hilarious

Because you can fly at max speed Forever

Also infinite flight breaks tracers and makes wings useless so Lo!

We don't need to buff seraph tracers
They need nerfs not buffs

[lucid marsh]

What benefit does flying indefinitely provide when you can just land for a moment and continue again later

[frosty trellis]

Not having to do just as you said

Don't have to worry about flight time which can change a lot of things

[ruby plover]

It’s easier to not land

[lucid marsh]

That said I think I completely misremembered what soaring insignia does

[ruby plover]

Just, baseline

[stable kiln]

then why did you make a suggestion

my sibling in christ

[lucid marsh]

I

[ruby plover]

Also with inf flight you can cheese a lot of stuff

[frosty trellis]

Dog's laser walls with infinite flight time is not only more fun but lead to the creation of the strat of flying strait up through them with no hinderance

[lucid marsh]

Forgor

[ruby plover]

Good job mate

[lucid marsh]

You know what

[worldly sparrow]

personally i fly through sideways

[lucid marsh]

Nevermind

I said dumb shit

[worldly sparrow]

no way a suggester recognizing their mistakes?????

tf that almost never happens

[lucid marsh]

I've gotten so used to landing and flying up again that I never cared about having more flight time

It didn't seem to slow me down at all because I can just hold a direction

[golden sonnet]

I feel like this response is kinda unnecessary and dumbs down a lot of this conversation, but glad it reached a conclusion regardless

[worldly sparrow]

#suggestions-posting I LOVE THIS SUGG

[wintry gale]

Tysm
Im glad theres someone else who agrees with me

[stable kiln]

i can apparently delete messages in suggestions-posting thats cool

[worldly sparrow]

rip it was deleted

how could you

[stable kiln]

anyway dont do that please thanks

[ruby plover]

Dev abuse

[worldly sparrow]

god that thing got the double exclam before it was deleted

[wintry gale]

Oh wait
You werent reffering to me

[worldly sparrow]

ofc i was referring to you

[golden sonnet]

Sometimes I think I'm mature, and then I see Done in a channel and need to fight the urge to make like 50 puns with their name

[worldly sparrow]

you got double exclamed

[stable kiln]

its ok you are unfortuantely not the only one

[golden sonnet]

I can only imagine

[wintry gale]

Nah

[ruby plover]

[crude geode]

Mfw even blocks need reworks

[wintry gale]

[deft yew]

The word “rework” is dead and we went out of our way to kill it

[crude geode]

Truly

[ruby plover]

Yyyyyyyep

Somehow I knew that was you lynel

[north oracle]

return of mattik

[ruby plover]

I hid literally every channel except suggestions

[north oracle]

are you sure you want to read these

[ruby plover]

Always

[royal tapir]

Damn what is Cattik doing here

[wintry gale]

What have i done

[ruby plover]

[fervent orbit]

who is this

[wintry gale]

Did i even make a good sugg?

[drowsy plank]

i like it

[deft yew]

I do exude a certain presence

A dark presence, one might say

[ripe owl]

Gladiator got a stealth bar because it's a Rogue armor set with Calamity enabled
Ninja didn't get a stealth bar because it was a ranged/throwing set, although now it's multiclass

But even then, every multiclass armor set, for some reason, doesn't have stealth built-in

[ornate flame]

wait, did calamity not overide the throwing class when it existed?

[ripe owl]

No

It never did

[ornate flame]

huh

thought it did

[golden sonnet]

it was compatible with it though

[ripe owl]

Yeah ^

[golden sonnet]

rogue boosted throwing, throwing boosted rogue

[ripe owl]

Throwing didn't provide any stealth or didn't have any stealth strikes

Balance

[ornate flame]

well then the suggestion just becomes give the stealth bar to all multiclass armors, which the appropriate response to that is no sh*t

oh well, worth a shot

[fervent orbit]

no

[ruby plover]

You can just Zerg in the sulph sea, w/ guide to critter companionship

Costs nada

[errant cradle]

Yeah, wouldn't say they're impossible to obtain tbh

[ruby plover]

They are harder to obtain than most boss summons

However consider most you craft and forget, so that’s basically saying nothing

[burnt beacon]

is there a hard-coded reason why the duke baits must be consumable? its weird how every summon iirc is infinite apart from 2 of them

apart from scal actually that too

[ruby plover]

Unless you’d be making some custom “fishing rod” that doesn’t function like an actual fishing rod to summon specifically OD

That’s probably hard coded

[burnt beacon]

fair enough. still its weird how truffle is sold pre-duke, but bloodworm is not

[ruby plover]

Duke is more of a common tier skip boss

Actually, I don’t know when amidias sells them to be fair

[burnt beacon]

truffle - hardmode
bloodworm - post-old duke

bloodworms can be obtained post moonlord and pre-polter anyway so it fits

[golden sonnet]

I would remove the price from your sugg, it makes things overly specific

[burnt beacon]

fair enough

[crude geode]

I feel like you should at least have to encounter the dukes before you can buy their summons Byeah, discrepancy and consistency argument is good

[burnt beacon]

should i put that in the sugg or

[ruby plover]

Well I mean, if you agree with it

[burnt beacon]

i mean the consistency thing

[crude geode]

Yes

[ruby plover]

Ah that one

[golden sonnet]

I've suggested it before, but because I also suggested a different thing about bloodworms in the same batch which made it not get votes

hopefully it goes through this time

[crude geode]

@ornate flame I would remove the last part of your sugg about the wiki. It’s entirely unnecessary and false

[worldly sparrow]

^ it adds nothing of value to the sugg

[ornate flame]

I was trying to be therough. and I have a bad habit of making myself look rude

but yeah sorry

[fervent orbit]

iirc ninja being rogue was alr denied before on the basis that its alr got stats as multiclass armour

[ornate flame]

if its multiclass, then it should give rogue support, which I'm pretty sure they're already trying to do, if i'm interpreting the suggestion 'don'ts' document right.

[fervent orbit]

multiclass armours dont include stealth for some reason

[burnt beacon]

is it just that itd be annoying if you werent using it as a rogue set? surely theres a way round that

[ornate flame]

i'm just miffed that the armor has no rogue compatibility, because, well, NINJAS

just feels wrong

[crude geode]

iirc there’s other reasons besides that, but I can’t remember shit about it off the top of my head

[sleek turret]

yea

the sugg is good

the thing lynel was saying was that the word rework is beaten to death so horribly that it's used on majority of contextes where we propose to change or tweak something

[wintry gale]

i see

[sleek turret]

in your sugg you could use the word 'change' rather than rework

i feel it's more appropiate to the context of the sugg

[wintry gale]

okay

[wintry gale]

when people start making fun of something i said/did with a sarcastic touch i start question my actions and feel bad about it in some way
maybe im just overthinking too much

[sleek turret]

awesome baller sugg!

[buoyant idol]

Aren't 2 in 1 suggestions not allowed?

[sleek turret]

this one is ok tbh

since lab beams and pillars are actually walls and they're also requesting for the addition of a solid block variant of it

i assume solid block variant here is like Wood Beam and also other assorted tiles that are similar to Wood Beam

[fervent orbit]

"like wood beam and wood beam"

🖊️ 🔥

[sleek turret]

wrong

mushroom beam, marble column, granite column, wood beam, boreal beam, rich mahogany beam, and ofc wood beam

[fervent orbit]

you fool

you forgot living fire blocks

[coral carbon]

noob how long have you been warned 😭

[fervent orbit]

for a while now

[lament phoenix]

#suggestions-posting message
This is my Dungeon btw

[hollow shell]

I believe it would be possible to move the Dungeon further away from the Abyss, because Calamity already has code that does that, to make sure they don't collide physically

[lament phoenix]

It still gives the suffication if you're even near the biome

[hollow shell]

The gap can be increased, if the two can still drift too close together to cause issues

[lament phoenix]

Ok, thank you

[cold cosmos]

This is giving me small world moment vibes

@lament phoenix are you on a small world?

[hollow shell]

(That does not look like a small world from the screenshot)

[north oracle]

out of interest, do you have infernum?

[ruby plover]

infernum abyss gens on the left 100% of the time

[lament phoenix]

Yeah why?

Does it change the Abyss?

[worldly sparrow]

yes

[drowsy plank]

yes

[wide river]

Indeed it does

[north oracle]

and makes it significantly wider

[worldly sparrow]

🐌

[lament phoenix]

Yeah that'd do it

[hollow shell]

Welp

[lament phoenix]

I mean it still looks like it'd clip in anyways, since there's still a whole right side of my dungeon that I can't explore or else I die

[worldly sparrow]

it wouldn't

it gets close sure but doesnt clip

[lament phoenix]

Is the base Abyss really that skinny?

[worldly sparrow]

kinda

[lament phoenix]

Damn

[worldly sparrow]

infernum gives you a massive space to fight aew

cal isnt as generous

[hollow shell]

Guess that's something to report here: https://github.com/DominicKarma/InfernumModePublic/issues

though this isn't really a bug

There's just uhh, no other place on the internet for you to officially report Infernum issues

[simple temple]

doesn't world gen tell you to not make a small world if you have calamity turned on?

[lament phoenix]

It's a large world

[simple temple]

then yeah, it's from Infernum making the abyss wider, in my recent world gens on large i've had to regen like 10 times to try and get a world where the abyss doesn't eat the dungeon/shimmer, and when i do, then the sunken sea eats part of it.

[lucid marsh]

I've had that happen in medium and large worlds yeah, though not in the most recent version

[drowsy plank]

remember when calamity had universal summoner casting

lol

everything used to be 10 mana and had the same casting stats

tho eventually that just

stopped

[sand marlin]

Why does summoner need mana again

[lucid marsh]

So that you can't spam resummon to refresh the minion's attack cooldowns or position

[sand marlin]

Well that's dead

[north oracle]

Virid spam will never die

[sand marlin]

?

[north oracle]

Virid spam is not dead lmao

[sand marlin]

Explain

[north oracle]

Basically every other spam weapon is

[north oracle]

…it still works

Not sure what else you want me to say

[sand marlin]

Did cal just

Not

[north oracle]

Oh no, it’s not as good as it used to be

But it’s not quite dead

[sand marlin]

Did cal not fix that

[north oracle]

And still very strong on OD

[north oracle]

I think they assumed vanilla changes would

[sand marlin]

Ok so it just needs to die again

Then we can have spam dead

Then we can have mana cost dead

[north oracle]

noooooo

not my Virid spam

[hollow shell]

(I always assumed vanilla did it because summoner felt like magic)

(fsr I had the memory in my head of one or two really old summon weps actually dealing magic damage before summoner was made into its own class
But looking through history sections, I cannot verify this)

[lucid marsh]

I think the staff of the frost hydra was like this?

But I can't remember for sure

[wintry ginkgo]

Unsure if this is intentional or a bug, but I'll ask here first because I think this should be changed if it's intentional

GFB Temple is supposed to spawn on the surface, but since Vernal Pass makes the Temple spawn underneath it, Temple ends up spawning way too low underground

the Golem room ends up in the mushroom layer, and hence Golem is always enraged

Clentaminator is also not a thing in GFB

if this is intentional, I wanna suggest making the Temple the original GFB way and have it on the surface

[grave zinc]

@arctic barn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make shimmering exhumed items (shattered community, metastasis, etc.) return back to its original form]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

Not quite next update, but this one, forgot to flag when it got implemented

[north oracle]

[stray warren]

[golden tulip]

epic

[regal willow]

👍

[fervent orbit]

lmao i saw xpc post a sugg and i was like "ima read it in like 5 mins gotta sort out cmt" or smthn and i just forgot

ima read it now tho

just give me 5 mins gotta sort out cmt

[wide river]

There is no sorting out CMT
Sisyphean feat

[fervent orbit]

is it just me or is reading hard

[golden sonnet]

average terraria player

[fervent orbit]

its just the first paragraph

it just doesnt read well idk

[golden sonnet]

oh, yeah I agree

a lot of words aren't plural when they feel like they should be

I feel like something like "Phase 4 is the phase where Storm Weaver stops charging at the player but instead occasionally summons tornados and frost waves on the player. Storm Weaver summons tornado barriers to block your horizontal movement, while it moves to you at high speed and forces you to dodge frost waves in tight spacing." reads better, but idk

[fervent orbit]

"Phase 4 is the phase where Storm Weaver stops charging at the player but instead summons tornados and frost waves on the player occasionally. Storm Weaver basically summons tornado barriers that attempt to block your horizontal movement, while he moves to your location at high speed and summons falling frost waves which forces you to do tight-spaced dodges"

i think i did a pretty good rewrite of it

[golden sonnet]

"that attempt you to block your"

[fervent orbit]

2e wdklnjklsfniekje

[small timber]

changed

what do you mean I dont check my grammar when posting suggestion, I thought that is the norm

[fervent orbit]

holy shit

today we learn xpc is actually terrible at writing

[regal willow]

that is shocking fr

[small timber]

I mean I wrote it in like 5 min and be like "yeah if there is a problem chances are discussion will point it out"
why spend time checking grammar when people will check it for you out of OCD

[fervent orbit]

wat if

xpc actually used chatgpt

🤯

[golden sonnet]

5. sounds actually fucking awful

[royal tapir]

ENHANCED DEERCLOPS

[cobalt pewter]

ngl I would pay to see someone mod in these insane chatgpt boss design

[small timber]

"Enhanced Deerclops" Suggestion:

Cal deerclops dont directly attack, instead the entire fight is just deerclops trying to run away in a prebuilt semi-maze arena, and it have advanced AI to always locate the best path to run away from you

Deerclops occassionally summon avalanche blockade to force you to chase it from the other direction

And it is still invulnerable if you are too far away

When you corner it it will react to your positioning and do a 360° shockwave attack to force you back, and sometimes summoning damaging aura to temporary force you out of its vulnerable zone, if it takes too much damage it will perform tactical retreat and teleport to the other side of the maze arena

When deerclops is running away it will also continuously summon shadow hand minions to try to intercept you, and if you dont damage deerclops over a long period of time it will start to regenerate health

[hollow shell]

Pale Lurker de la Hollow Knight?

Micolash de la Bloodborne?

[hearty yew]

ENHANCE!!

Regarding seraph tracer names:

Yeah it's definitely confusing to swap them. Everyone is used to seraph being first and celestial being last. It's also clearly true that Celestial Towers (the official name for the pillars) giving you Celestial Tracers makes enough sense that people aren't confused.

However, the other reason we liked the swap is that Seraphims are the highest order of angel. So the ultimate Tracers being named, well, some variation of "Ultimate Tracers" made sense.

We also considered just calling them Auric Tracers but that sounded super boring.

[hollow shell]

👀

[worldly sparrow]

not sure how this would go with the lore guys

[fervent orbit]

did i hear

[novel belfry]

Maybe call it the Seraphim Tracers?

[fervent orbit]

GOD?!

[small timber]

Yharim's Gift
Yharim's Tracers

[whole tundra]

Auric Tracers

[worldly sparrow]

that was rejected

[small timber]

Yharim's Shoes
Yharim's Slippers

[steep iron]

yharim legs

[worldly sparrow]

nike air force 3s

[eternal escarp]

i back this idea

i think done will too

no reason whatsoever

[whole tundra]

Draconic Tracers

Divine Tracers

[sleek turret]

Nike Air Max 97 'Metallic Gold'

[eternal escarp]

not special enough

[worldly sparrow]

where wings

[eternal escarp]

duh

[sleek turret]

the air capsule below the shoe propells you

[hearty yew]

Yeah that's pretty metal, as long as the lore heads who aren't me don't blanch I support this one

[worldly sparrow]

nike x yharim collab when

[hearty yew]

DAMN WTF HE GOT THE AURIC DRIP

[eternal escarp]

simply dont tell them the translation

byeah

[hearty yew]

Drew's Wings are being turned into yharon wings as a teaser for the resprite

[worldly sparrow]

oh

[hearty yew]

So that won't be an issue either

[eternal escarp]

ironic considering the wings are the main reason the sprite is
yeah

[hollow shell]

nice

[worldly sparrow]

then draconic wings could actually fit

[hearty yew]

well they're actually phoenix wings

[worldly sparrow]

not much of a difference

[hearty yew]

because that's the half of yharon that is more bird-y

very much a difference

dragon wings look like Betsy

phoenix wings have feathers

because they are birds

yharon is basically a rotund dragon with bird wings

[worldly sparrow]

i mean yharon was still an auric dragon at the end of the day

[hollow shell]

(isn't "auric dragon" a redundant term in current lore)

[worldly sparrow]

it has some relevance

[hearty yew]

it's redundant but I like the fact that it is

because bumblebirb / dragonfolly lore is SO validated by it

"scholars have been arguing about the names of these creatures..."

[worldly sparrow]

its basically just a descriptor for if a dragon had an auric soul

[hearty yew]

( aka the entire community )

also yeah arguably the "true dragon" is just... Some intelligent and ancient beast that possesses an auric soul

[eternal escarp]

calling the community scholars is one hell of a compliment

[hearty yew]

Technically anything else could just hold one

As you can see: Yharim

[fervent orbit]

theres auric dragons and dragons without auric souls aka draconic offshoots

[hearty yew]

( though he's sharing )

[worldly sparrow]

in reality its just the hive mind and some crazy people with tinfoil hats

[hearty yew]

look man I had to clean up my act after shattered community somehow

[eternal escarp]

true, true

[worldly sparrow]

honestly if that sentence was accurate it would be like
"conspiracy theorists have been trying to use their brain to figure out the names of this shit"

[fervent orbit]

honestly if i tried explaining current lore to rover i wouldnt blame them for assuming i was using total calamity wiki

[worldly sparrow]

true current lore sounds like total calamity much more than the old lore was

[fervent orbit]

"so the world soul fucking shattered for no reason and-"

"so the sun is not a star, its a ball of primordial light"

[worldly sparrow]

ive read all the lore items and the bestiary multiple times and still have no fucking clue what the world soul is

[fervent orbit]

"stars also arent like our stars, theyre balls of mana that literally die and get cancer"

[worldly sparrow]

"deus was worshipped as a god but isn't"

[odd geyser]

I mean we don't have much context rn

[deft yew]

Scal bestiary entry

Go read it

[fervent orbit]

wat about it

[sleek turret]

amidias bestiary entry being like simple english wikipedia introduction

for those who don't know Simple English Wikipedia is wikipedia but simplified in english

[deft yew]

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE gif

[serene tendon]

SG becoming QS is cool though

It's almost the only way to solve the plot hole of Queen Slime being stronger than the "ultimate" slime

[serene tendon]

*covid. Source? It's a virus and one of the death messages is "[player name] forgot to vaccinate"

[fervent orbit]

@ reb fix this

NOW

[glass arch]

actually no im pretty sure the forgot to vaccinate death message is from the plague debuff not the astral infection

[hearty yew]

?????

[hearty yew]

it's a WHAT

[worldly sparrow]

for the record i only knew the surface level of old lore

i am not qualified to talk about it

[hearty yew]

IS NUCLEAR FUSION NOT A REAL THING IN CALAMITY??

[fervent orbit]

LMAO

[hearty yew]

THIS IS FUCKIN NEWS TO ME

[worldly sparrow]

apparently not

[fervent orbit]

it is but the stars dont do it

[worldly sparrow]

sun is primordial light and the other stars are just made of mana

[fervent orbit]

nah draedon made nuclear energy

[hearty yew]

"AND THE OTHER STARS ARE JUST MADE OF MANA"

[fervent orbit]

LMAO

[hearty yew]

THEN??? WHO PUT THEM THERE???

[fervent orbit]

uhhhh

yea

[worldly sparrow]

god of mana /j

[fervent orbit]

ozz have u never talked to cei

or reb

or stip

[glass arch]

i dont think this has ever come up

[hearty yew]

Deez nuts I guess idk there's a world soul? Is this like the all soul from Norse mythology?

[fervent orbit]

there was a world soul

[hearty yew]

@fervent orbit no they go completely fucking apeshit without my oversight and don't even say most of it in the dev server's lore channel

[fervent orbit]

also idk im not a lore writer

[hearty yew]

I stopped trying to keep track of it a while ago

[glass arch]

the world soul was the thing that gave dragons their auric souls

[hearty yew]

the lore is whatever the hell is in their neurons on any given day

90% of that swirling nebulous mass isn't even self consistent, let alone written down

it'll get settled before it actually gets put in game in any fashion

[hearty yew]

I'm gonna go with "Aurelion Sol" from League of Legends until anyone proves me wrong

[fervent orbit]

ik more about cal lore than ozz clearly this should mean i should be the new head dev

[hearty yew]

well evidently there's more "lore" on this server rotting in public channels than either on dev server or in game, so...

yeah you probably do know more than me

[sleek turret]

i barely know lore i just know some bestiary cal entries that look like wikipedia articles tbh

[hearty yew]

I don't claim to be the person running the show in that regard. In order to get stuff done in a reasonable time frame I can't have oversight on everything. I have to let them do their thing independently

[glass arch]

most of the lore here is cei reb and stip making funny headcanons iirc
see: dragonbanes

[sleek turret]

i feel like bestiary shouldn't be an encyclopedia but rather just a funny short read about the enemies or critters or anything really

[hearty yew]

That's the plague, not astral infection, and I actually changed that death message in a recent patch

[fervent orbit]

oh most of the statements i said come from evidence in the bestiary

[serene tendon]

In the past it was also a death message for the Astral Infection

[hearty yew]

oh Jesus Christ I guess this is what happens when I don't review the bestiary

[sleek turret]

maybe here i'm being too vanilla-pilled since vanilla bestiary is just a fun read most of the time

[hearty yew]

Oh. Well yeah I've since changed that. I renovated all our death messages for 2.0.3.003

I'm very proud of it

[glass arch]

hot damn

the vuln hex death messages are banger

[hearty yew]

Nah you've got a point this is a case of calamity being all SERIOUS MODE and trying its hardest to not be vanilla (where there is no lore and any text in game is 100% for humor)

[serene tendon]

A shame, that one was funny.

[flint notch]

that’s a moray

[hearty yew]

It still exists in modified form for the Plague

[fervent orbit]

rebs reaction to vengeful sun staff having the old buff name was "Crying right now"

[sleek turret]

yeah I agree with you ozz

[worldly sparrow]

classy cane lore when

[glass arch]

"<PlayerName> couldn't vaccinate against the plague."

[sleek turret]

btw unrelated but I want to ask something regarding the state of my credit devs sugg

has been there any discussion surrounding it?

[hearty yew]

the fitness gram pacer test is --

[hearty yew]

I remember we talked about it for five minutes and generally thought it was a good idea but we haven't implemented any variation of it yet

Okay so anyway back to renaming late game accessories

[sleek turret]

mm thanks ozz

[hearty yew]

What the hell is Yharim's Gift

Do any of the lore heads have an answer for me there

[fervent orbit]

no idea tbh

i dont remember any of the devs having a statement on it

[alpine dawn]

Yharim was feeling festive

[hearty yew]

And believe me I'm fucking pissed about the stars or whatever because you can't just say "oh there's only one sun and it's not like the other ones!" because WHERE ARE THE FUCKING MARTIANS FROM THEN

[fervent orbit]

a dead civilisation

[hearty yew]

you can't just compromise all of cosmology like that

that instantly writes your whole shit about the distortion into a corner

[fervent orbit]

distortion isnt about cosmology tho

its a seperate dimension

[wide river]

I have literally no idea
I don't even know if it has a reason to exist considering I feel like Yharon gave more to Yharim than vice versa

[alpine dawn]

We should be able to consume Yharons' soul or adopt him

[fervent orbit]

no

[sleek turret]

isn't yharim's gift based on old lore where yharon is like yharim's pet or something

[hearty yew]

hey hold up a second

[fervent orbit]

we dont know the ritual to it and he doesnt want to come with us

[dense ferry]

It's from the same system as Terraria, presumably

[hearty yew]

why don't we make yharims gift the unnerfed soaring insignia

[sleek turret]

idk about current lore if it's the same situation

[dense ferry]

And well, no one ever said there is only one Sun

[hearty yew]

[alpine dawn]

Yes, but it'd be cool

[golden sonnet]

I actually mentioned this

[alpine dawn]

Therefore I win

[golden sonnet]

gift has been suggested to be a full movement accessory before, and people seemed to respond positively

[hearty yew]

What's the makeup of the remainder of the universe then

[fervent orbit]

suggestion rejected. reasoning: suggestions need more reasoning on the basis of "it would be cool"

[hearty yew]

Are the other Real Stars also primordial light?

[alpine dawn]

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