#suggestions-discussion

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novel belfry
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i personally would like to see the (terra and elemental) spears lances to become a true melee counterpart to the terra blade line

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like, they would probably have their own unique functionality, but they would be true melee type weapons

north oracle
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i'd like to see them become something unique instead of still buying into the "terra" thing

glass arch
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praying so hard for these to get renamed

bright crag
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Miracle Matter calsad

fervent orbit
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miracle matter is just terrarians "oh, hope i dont blow up the earth with this"

hollow shell
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Miracle Matter gets kind of a pass considering its deal is being an ultimate culmination representation of the given weapon type

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so, being distinct isn't its priority as much as it is being
a cool.. summation

novel belfry
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might as well make the terra weapons earn their title

glass arch
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rework all the terra items to be the level of quality new terra blade is tbhngliirc

wide river
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Miracle Matter reminds me of something that I need to confirm in-game

north oracle
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i kinda want to make a suggestion about reworking arcane to be a mana reduction modifier instead

coral carbon
lucid marsh
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terra weapons are cool and should exist but shouldn't be overdone

novel belfry
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its funny because the new terra blade is really just wider "blade" projectile and also new "melee" projectile

lucid marsh
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maybe one terra weapon per class

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and make the cosmic bolter and lunarian bow not suck

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that would be nice

novel belfry
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and yet that still ends up making the terra blade a really cool weapon nonetheless

wide river
lucid marsh
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lol

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I didn't even notice

novel belfry
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A user also notorious for sometimes making absolutely copium-fueled ideas

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therefore earning his name

glass arch
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nothing in vanilla did that

novel belfry
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also fun fact: Horseman's blade also has the "melee" projectile now!

glass arch
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technically part of the terra blade line because of zenith clueless

novel belfry
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Yeah, THAT Horseman's blade. the godfather of true melee weapons, also got one of those snazzy extended swing projectile

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now we just have to wait for its calamity upgrades to get those too

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sadly tho, the terratomere imo is now just boring

lucid marsh
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its terra blade 2

novel belfry
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just old terra blade 2

lucid marsh
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its strong, a needed powerful step for the non true melee class

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but its boring

novel belfry
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it has a custom swing, yeah, but it doesn't feel strong and fun to use

lucid marsh
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if it is removed then something should take its place

hollow shell
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byeah funnily enough vanilla did such a big lookin rework to Terra Blade that Terratomere can't really one-up it anymore

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without being ridiculous

lucid marsh
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well, its kinda strong

novel belfry
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I would not wish for its removal honestly, i just want it to look cool as hell

lucid marsh
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I agree

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but how to one-up the terra blade

fossil finch
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haha elemental weapon reworks

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hahahahahaahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahah

lucid marsh
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and how to make the other terra weapons good

fossil finch
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we are sorry but the terrablade is just literally swing extender projectile

lucid marsh
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(idk if you've noticed but the cosmic bolter and luanarian bow kinda stink)

fossil finch
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its very easy to one up at least mechanically

lucid marsh
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its cool visually

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that's all it needs

fossil finch
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yea

lucid marsh
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in vanilla, that is

fossil finch
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just dont get the idea that itd be hard to make something cooler for terratomere

lucid marsh
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not every weapon needs to be mechanically unique

fervent orbit
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if everybodys super

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then no one will be

fossil finch
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anyways elemental weapons hahahahah

worldly sparrow
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elemental weapons are just sad

novel belfry
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thats why we want the TERRA and ELEMENTAL weapons to be SUPER

coral carbon
lucid marsh
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I agree the elemental weapons are boring and bad

novel belfry
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not like, random sword that fires tiny sharkrons

lucid marsh
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most of them aren't very strong

fossil finch
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elemental weapons situation is truly just

hollow shell
fossil finch
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god bless iban

lucid marsh
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just kinda strong

north oracle
fossil finch
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also yeah what rover says

worldly sparrow
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the "elements" stuff is spread around multiple tiers, they are an upgrade to a line which the community generally doesn't like, they dont look great, and generally arent too too powerful

fossil finch
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"if everyone is super nobody will be" not really

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like syndrome was somewhat wrong

small timber
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most weapon, regardless of what theme or reason, should not reach "very strong" in the ideal situation

hollow shell
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"if everybody fucking sucks then everybody fucking sucks" how about that

small timber
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strength of a weapon is not consideration for the theming of the weapon

worldly sparrow
novel belfry
lucid marsh
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without strength they're nothing, and that's the problem with their design

north oracle
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i wish SIS's were allowed, i'd make a fucking massive one about reworking over half of pre-hardmode summoner

fossil finch
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if everybody is super, the uniqueness and special thing about being super is gone, yes
But everyone still IS super, so things are still "better" overall

lucid marsh
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I do like having weapons that inflict like 5 different debuffs

fossil finch
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everyone is overall more unique, more fun, more special

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the bar was just raised, so it does not look that way

worldly sparrow
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which is why for the sake of fun the game will never be completely balanced even if we know the precise ways to nerf and buff every weapon to make it all on par

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if everyone is mid nothing will feel faster

small timber
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if a weapon is nothing without strength then that is the problem with the weapon design

fossil finch
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it's less about coolnes negating itself with more coolness and more about just raising the bar

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which is honestly needed for calamity

small timber
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NOT because it is not strong

worldly sparrow
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but also like, completely balancing a game to that point is basically impossible to do

novel belfry
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Terra Blade was ORIGINALLY meant to be far and away the ultimate sword

lucid marsh
north oracle
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everything should fall into the range of A to D-E for it to be really well balanced
you don't want everything to be perfectly on killtime for every boss

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but you also don't want lots of insane weapons carrying for half the game

small timber
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ideal is A to C for all weapon

worldly sparrow
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i'd say A-D

novel belfry
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it has ultimately lost that title in even vanilla, yes, but it still got a rework to make it still feel like an ultimate weapon

fossil finch
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(the only reason "if everyone is super nobody is" can be interpreted as a true statement is because humans adapt to change, whether positive or negative, really quickly, so what is now standard but before wasn't becomes normal and thus expected quickly

small timber
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A being the hard to use weapons, C being most weapon
at min D for weapon with utility effect (eg: slick cane)

fossil finch
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again its just

north oracle
worldly sparrow
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E F and Z need buffs and SS and S need nerfs

north oracle
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pre-boss, not really meant for bossing

worldly sparrow
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thats generally how it goes

fossil finch
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sure whatever but woulnd't raising the bar still be better than just keeping weapons lame because of some quote from a kids movie?

small timber
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that and yeah, weapon that are meant to be too easy to get and supposed to be "bridge weapon"

lucid marsh
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the terra line should be somewhat strong and fun to use. Easy but not perfectly optimal for any given thing, but not so weak that it feels bad to use

hollow shell
fossil finch
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YES!!!!!! YES!!! he was wrong

worldly sparrow
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meanwhile the terra blade in 1.4.4 became crazy good at crowd control at the cost of its single target damage being thrown out the window

lucid marsh
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there should be one or two terra weapons per class and they should be the most used sublcasses from each of those classes

worldly sparrow
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so its now mediocre at bosses

novel belfry
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so if you're going to create more Terra weapons, and ESPECIALLY if you're going to create a set of Lunar Fragment-powered versions of the Terra weapons, those weapons better be absolutely epic as the reworked Terra Blade

small timber
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true melee terra shiv incoming

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all it does is stab things
really fast

north oracle
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lmao

novel belfry
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I know the terra shiv isnt in the game anymore, but the Elemental Shiv still is for some reason

lucid marsh
novel belfry
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and also its now an upgrade... to Starlight. Yknow, the coolest shortsword since the copper one

worldly sparrow
lucid marsh
worldly sparrow
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like there was a reason 80% of shortswords were destroyed

fossil finch
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we would post ibans ele weapons concepts but thats just adding salt to the wound of them being bad rn

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shivs should all die

novel belfry
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I've heard that they're going to rework it and its upgrades into something more befitting an upgrade to the goddamn, absolutely fantastic Starlight

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lucid marsh
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what was the idea?

worldly sparrow
fossil finch
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melee needs less weapons not more

novel belfry
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i didn't mean to demean the starlight

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there i fixed it

hollow shell
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yeah he's demeaning the other weapons for not being as cool as Starlight

novel belfry
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best spear in the game

hollow shell
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smh live up to your mistakes, don't delete messages HDfailure

novel belfry
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/s

worldly sparrow
alpine dawn
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Okay, I'll do that before it gets submitted

hollow shell
alpine dawn
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Thanks for the feedback, and apolocheesegies for not getting to it earlier, my phone died

deft yew
lucid marsh
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melee needs less weapons by fusing other weapons

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ranger also needs this somewhat

worldly sparrow
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actually what is the objectively best terraria weapon

alpine dawn
lucid marsh
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in terms of power?

deft yew
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How do we define best though

fossil finch
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actually in vanilla its uhhhh

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theres no objective best anything like legitimately

novel belfry
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probably just the coollest+strongest thing

worldly sparrow
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balance relative to the journey you go through to obtain it + coolness

lucid marsh
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zenith first, last prism and/or celebration 2 second

fossil finch
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in vanilla its razorblade typhoon because we really like it

novel belfry
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depending on class, Zenith, Celebration 2, Last Prism, and...

deft yew
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If we’re not talking just the biggest damage number, it’s probably Coin Gun

novel belfry
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Oh yeah, Terraprisma

alpine dawn
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terraprisma

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for summoner

deft yew
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Like how long does a weapon hold up

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ML weapons have nothing to do

hollow shell
deft yew
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BRAND OF THE INFERNO

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SO BASED

worldly sparrow
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i love brand of the inferno

fossil finch
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its just not a question to be answered tbh

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anyways goign back to ele weapons

worldly sparrow
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so sad that its not the greatest in viability

deft yew
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I love OOA weapons as a whole they are so based

alpine dawn
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i may sound dumb, but

novel belfry
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oh, and back to elemental weapons, elemental axe should look cooler than it is, since it HAS THE TERRAPRISMA AS A MATERIAL

alpine dawn
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whats brand of the inferno?

hollow shell
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It's a sword dropped during the Old One's Army event in vanilla

deft yew
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!wiki tgc:brand of the inferno

fossil finch
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we would say something relevant but no suggestion will fasten ele weapons being changed at all so like

worldly sparrow
red stormBOT
fossil finch
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what can we do

deft yew
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Imagine a ram you bought at Walmart

alpine dawn
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im gonna be fr

hollow shell
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It's unique in that it allows you to do a quick shield "parry" that makes you invincible for a few frames
And if you manage to block an attack with it, you get a big buff

alpine dawn
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i have NEVER played OOA in a normal playthru

fossil finch
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bro saved it as a webp

worldly sparrow
deft yew
novel belfry
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yet the elemental axe minion looks like this a solid axe-shaped rainbow thing

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HEH?

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WHAT?

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WHY WONT IT LOAD

alpine dawn
fossil finch
wide river
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Gif failure I had to do it

novel belfry
fossil finch
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youre really messed up for your files to not embed.,.,

worldly sparrow
fossil finch
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anyways we think we already know what it looks like and yeah it snot great for a weapon with terraprisma in its recipe

deft yew
lucid marsh
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that reminds mme

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I would really like if there was an explanation for crossover content and moon events

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I could come up with something

fossil finch
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crossover content shouldnt have explanations its just crossover content

novel belfry
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Flowers of Mortality is a way cooler Elemental summoner weapon and it actually doesn't need much of a rework really

wide river
fossil finch
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we should not integrate the old ones army into calamity lore

novel belfry
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Now... the moon events

worldly sparrow
fossil finch
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that is stupid and a disservice to both the event AND the lore

hollow shell
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the explanation is The vanilla devs really don't give as much of a shit about lore as the Calamity devs do
so they can just do stuff like two full dedicated events themed around holidays that are summoned with items
and nobody cares cuz it's fun

wide river
alpine dawn
worldly sparrow
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it is an accident

fossil finch
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the moon events are just magical shit wdk that is vanilla so whatever explain it how you want

alpine dawn
glass arch
fossil finch
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yes we know we have been told this since 2018

deft yew
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I still find it kinda funny that Queen Slime is integrated into Calamity lore

hollow shell
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Full dedicated events with a ton of new enemy types

worldly sparrow
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the moon events will probably be explained eventually

deft yew
hollow shell
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Didn't know 1.4.4 changed em

deft yew
novel belfry
worldly sparrow
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1.3 moons were something else man

wide river
novel belfry
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im super infuriated by that

worldly sparrow
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yeesh

fossil finch
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love randomly making gameplay elements required for progression not canon

alpine dawn
worldly sparrow
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theres a reason that achievement was one of the hardest

alpine dawn
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but in gameplay? theyre just random bullshit spam

worldly sparrow
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before 1.4

hollow shell
alpine dawn
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me when the 17 pumpkings softlock me for the night and massacre my npcs

novel belfry
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slime god deserves better than to get fucking strapcked inside a mediocre boss

alpine dawn
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(fun and fair)

novel belfry
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eesssk

hollow shell
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anyway we're kinda getting off track
Terraria talk good but iunno if any of this convo has to do with an imminent or existing suggestion

novel belfry
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if the queen slime was actually a cool boss

worldly sparrow
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right, elemental weapons

coral carbon
worldly sparrow
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they suck

drowsy plank
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night and terra tier need to fucking explode and stop being a connected weapon set, and elemental is on life support (ark)

fossil finch
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wdk write a elemenetal weapons bad please change sugg

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see it get voted into green checkmark

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nothing happens for a year

alpine dawn
wide river
novel belfry
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Lunarian Bow and its upgrades should probably be prioritized when reworking one of these "legendary" weapons

fossil finch
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we suggest od be remov

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our opinion is that they should make the mage line first

deft yew
hollow shell
novel belfry
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You could literally in fact just make them charged up bows like the Clockwork bow and the Heavenly Gale

deft yew
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21* (26 and counting anyway)

fossil finch
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clueless moment we think

novel belfry
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Albeit probably a single, albeit rather strong laser arrow honestly

alpine dawn
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@hollow shell i changed it, what do ya think?

hollow shell
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Yeah that's better, thank you

fossil finch
novel belfry
fossil finch
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sadly

deft yew
# hollow shell Didn't know 1.4.4 changed em

Pumpkin moon got a system rehash that makes it more similar to frost moon, meaning you only get one of each boss at a time and they take up way more slots + grant way more points
Plus drop rates for both now scale more linearly

alpine dawn
fossil finch
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its fine

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if anyone feels personally insulted by you calling some old weapons bad wdk honestly its not like

hollow shell
fossil finch
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they were made by any of the current devs

alpine dawn
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yeah calamity needs to rework

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a lot.

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of stuff

deft yew
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I think horseman’s blade actually drops from headless horsemen now?

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Not quite sure

hollow shell
deft yew
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Ok I was wrong ye

alpine dawn
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and remove stuff, a lot of it is preeetttyyy bad and just bloat

novel belfry
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the sunken sea will get its rework the next major update

alpine dawn
fossil finch
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honestly biome updates should also come with major touchups to "uncategorized" content

hollow shell
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Calamity has indeed been constantly trying to improve all of its old stuff

deft yew
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Information flow is slow as Christmas around here

hollow shell
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for the past uhhh its entire lifetime

alpine dawn
fossil finch
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of the 200 calamity brodswoards most do not belong to a specific set

hollow shell
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since it was created in 2016

alpine dawn
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im in a server related to the game and the dev is terrible at managing things

deft yew
fossil finch
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probably

deft yew
fossil finch
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calfolder addition

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a rarity these days

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specially with no future document material

alpine dawn
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they make a new character, dont finish it, start a new one, dont finish it, oops! entire dimension was added, another fucking game was added too, entire balance overhaul, more moves for a character that was already powerful, make a new character

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thats basically it

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its horribly balanced too

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the instakill move has the biggest hitbox and is uninterruptable

deft yew
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The word “rework” slowly crumbles into a redundant nothingness

fossil finch
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sounds familiar

sleek turret
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this is a very True suggestion

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and a very True statement, too.

fossil finch
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really a halt to new content development would be very much needed

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but that is hard to do

novel belfry
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what mod is this?

alpine dawn
novel belfry
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is it AA

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you were talking about a server related to this game

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which implies you were talkin about a mod

alpine dawn
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its about a roblox fighting game

deft yew
novel belfry
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ah

deft yew
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Get out of bed

sleek turret
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exxo avalon and it's consequences to the new modding wave of 2015

hollow shell
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btw before I forget
@bright crag @livid coral What's the consensus on a Don'ts doc meeting
Been a few days

livid coral
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It has been there was discussion and then it got put aside briefly. It's late for me, so I'll have Amber and Stip cover this, I've. Been having a few days.

novel belfry
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hmm

fervent orbit
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can i be on the dont doc meeting

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im joking obviously

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during my banishement i have reread the donts doc many a time

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i have become enlightened

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i know what to ❗ and what not to

dense ferry
fervent orbit
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reb you should calm down a bit

dense ferry
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We just got out of a 4 month port

hollow shell
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Watch the harshness

dense ferry
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We ALREADY had a halt

hollow shell
fervent orbit
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reb calm down if a mod is seen doing this people wont like that

dense ferry
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Sorry for my language there

fervent orbit
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instead let me do it

novel belfry
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im wondering if the Axe of Regrowth should become a part of the Axe upgrade line

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you know that one

dense ferry
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I was thinking of that, actually

glass arch
novel belfry
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and its abilities are inherited throughout it (come on man, the ability to plant ACORNS in the same spot where you cut down the tree is SO AMAZING)

fervent orbit
coral carbon
glass arch
novel belfry
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And also give that acorn-planting ability to the Feller of Evergreens, which should replace the copper axe in the axe of regrowth's materials

fervent orbit
bright crag
glass arch
hollow shell
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Alright

novel belfry
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hmm

hollow shell
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It doesn't need to be soon soon, I just don't want it to get forgotten about

novel belfry
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im going to format that sugg real quick

livid coral
novel belfry
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wait, is basically writing two suggs in one, even if they both compliment each other really well, a Don't?

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lemme check reall quick

hollow shell
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Uh

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depends?

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Generally not ideal cuz people could agree with one half and not the other

fervent orbit
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depends

fervent orbit
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if you really want two ideas, it should be two different suggs

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unless theyre like very closely linked to the point of being the same sugg

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like

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uhm

fossil finch
fervent orbit
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"improve boss x summon" and "improve boss y summon" can just be "improve certain lacking summons" and in the sugg meantion x and y

hollow shell
fervent orbit
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REALLY

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REALLY

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REALLY

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trying to use ALL my brain power

wide river
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Noob calm down

fervent orbit
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trying to understand the stupidity of that comment

coral carbon
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nah cutie is right chat

fervent orbit
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"just have a dedicated dev to do x"

coral carbon
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I dont understand wtf they mean

hollow shell
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Hobbit can you stop with the weird comments about Noob

glass arch
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the devs have to balance revisiting old content with adding new content

fervent orbit
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not like y is a more important and relevant problem

hollow shell
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And yeah Noob you calm down too

royal tapir
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Damn, I walked into average day in suggestion discussion

glass arch
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an average day when noob is here

coral carbon
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add senator amstrong

fervent orbit
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im just gonna lie in bed

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i cant anymore

wide river
fossil finch
royal tapir
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That is in fact what average means

glass arch
pine star
fossil finch
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When was that ever said

livid coral
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Sunken Sea overhaul is going to naturally have reworks to stuff. And also like. New stuff. because it's an overhaul. There's gonna be new stuff

coral carbon
novel belfry
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Make the Axe of Regrowth a part of the Axe upgrade line, and make Feller of Evergreens a "downgrade" of it.

The Feller of Evergreens... doesn't have much of an identity whatsoever, aside from being a material for an admittedly very cool axe. But you know what other axe in Pre-Hardmode is really cool? The Axe of Regrowth, thanks to it having a unique property not exhibited in its materials: the ability to plant new saplings in the same spot where it cuts down a tree. This is such a cool ability that honestly it's a shame that it doesn't appear in any other axe. So, perhaps to make the Feller more interesting, perhaps it could gain this functionality.
Futhermore, with this functionality, it could also replace the Copper/Tin Axe as a material in the Axe of Regrowth, which might lead to it becoming a material for the Axe of Purity, and perhaps have it and its own upgrades inherit that epic acorn planting ability.

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okay this sucks

glass arch
novel belfry
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but i need help sorting the garbage out

glass arch
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for example the donor items

fossil finch
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We agree it sucks but because he axe line is just bad

fossil finch
novel belfry
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hmm, i think someone else should rewrite this sugg in their own way

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im not cut out for this sorta writing yet

glass arch
fossil finch
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And even after the donor items, the only we agree they need to be added because, you know, moral contract, there's nothing else that "needs" to be added

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Our point is that you can finish donors off and do what we said

royal tapir
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It is, in fact, possible to focus on both new and existing content

glass arch
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yeah

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and its not entirely reasonable to only focus on one or the other

fossil finch
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Is it really

glass arch
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yes

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you can do that, but with the size of cal you really cant

fossil finch
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That means nothing like

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What's the argument we dont get it

glass arch
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the point is there is so much shit that cal has promised to add thats been sitting around for so long that its not reasonable to only focus on making old stuff better

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you can add both new content and revisit old content at the same time

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see: the absorber reworks

livid coral
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Most of the reworks are happening in between new assets coming in for Sunken Sea, so.

fossil finch
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we think improving old content is actually more important than fulfilling promises that aren't set in stone anyway tbh

glass arch
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i mean.

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donor items.

fossil finch
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We already talked about those

dense ferry
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What do you think the 54 biome overhauls are for?

livid coral
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We already have a roadmap regardless.

fossil finch
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the biome overhauls are obviously obligued to add content because they're, well, overhauls

glass arch
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yes

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and its also revising old content

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its doing both

fossil finch
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They also don't have random offthemed weapon #67 in their rework scope, this is the content we're talking about

livid coral
brittle nexus
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there's also a few programmers on the side reworking a weapon every so often

glass arch
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its not a one or the other situation

dense ferry
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Count how many Accessories and Weapons have been reworked just in the last two updates

glass arch
novel belfry
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I feel like giving a rough roadmap for the calamity community could be quite nice

dense ferry
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We already did

brittle nexus
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people work on what they excel at and when they feel like it
not gonna make worldgen guy suddenly become a weapon rework guy

novel belfry
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but what i mean is, an image that helps show what can be expected
(but also a very massive text that says "There is no specific dates for each update. Don't ask.")

wide river
worldly sparrow
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and then it repeats another time but shorter for noxus and xeroc

novel belfry
sleek turret
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sugg time hehe

novel belfry
fervent orbit
#

anyways now that i took a small break i think im gonna write a sugg ive been procrastinating on for a while

sleek turret
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would be asking for too much adding a demon scythe obtainment method

fervent orbit
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wdym

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like an alt way of getting demon scythe?

sleek turret
#

ye

fervent orbit
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hm

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no not really but youd have to give VERY GOOD reasoning

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and perhaps a way to not make it simple and possibly not avaible until some time post evil 1

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because its supposed to be post evil 1 and grinded slightly for

sleek turret
#

ends up in recitation of the beast weapon (post-dog), and a nice weapon for mages in pre-hm

fervent orbit
#

o

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i have an idea

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why not the dungeon?

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perhaps archives?

sleek turret
#

nah i'd keep it consistent with it's theme

fervent orbit
#

wat being a lore nerd does to you

sleek turret
#

yeah let's put unrelated Shit on places that doesn't have relation to or barely has relation

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the only relation would be shadow chests because shadow key

fervent orbit
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lore nerd is a blessing and a curse

sleek turret
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i'm not a lore nerd i'm just using Facts And Logic

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i barely read lore lmao

fervent orbit
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archives is like

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meant to be a collection of knowledge

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from different places

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so its not weird to think theyd collect a demon scythe tome

sleek turret
#

ok maybe that'd work ye

fervent orbit
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tho this isnt ingame and is just some of lore writers wishes

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its not anything concrete rn

sleek turret
#

placeable weapon book tiles HDfailure

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it would be awesome

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it would be cool similar to water bolt which is a book that originally is placeable and never again

fossil finch
#

Just mske it drop from hellcrates

fervent orbit
#

thats

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no

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the point is to have a guranteed way to get it

coral carbon
#

that is

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💀

sleek turret
coral carbon
fossil finch
#

Do you really want to render the original obtainment method absolutely uselesd

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Nobody is talking about replacing

fervent orbit
fossil finch
#

It's still invalidated just not if you go really out of your way

sleek turret
#

make it a shadow chest weapon because it shares similarities to dark lance in terms of sprite (similar colors)

cobalt pewter
lavish condor
#

is demon scythe a material?

fervent orbit
sleek turret
#

ye

cobalt pewter
lavish condor
#

could give it the dungeon items treatment and make it sold by wizard or something

fervent orbit
north oracle
fossil finch
#

It actually shares id spot with dark lance and nights edge, ao yeah demon scythw was probably meant to go to shadow chest at some point

north oracle
#

they don't know what they're talking about anyway :p

coral carbon
sleek turret
#

ye i agree with ender here

fervent orbit
#

in cal its tiered post evil 1

fossil finch
#

Its true

lavish condor
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crates are for non-renewable items

fossil finch
#

Npbody talked about tiering what

lavish condor
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demon scythe is very renewable

fervent orbit
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becuase for some reason evil 1 and post skeletron hell trips are meant to be the same in vanilla

sleek turret
#

lol?

fossil finch
#

We're talking their numerical ids, demon scythe, by id order, is just beside other dark purple hell weapons, hinting at all of them being related originally

lavish condor
#

tbf the enemies down there are like post-skeletron strength

fervent orbit
coral carbon
# fossil finch Its true

also this is something regarding the vanilla game which like, we dont know???? why say its true??? go ask redigit

fossil finch
#

id spot

coral carbon
fervent orbit
#

ah

cobalt pewter
fervent orbit
#

yea ids just

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dont matter

golden sonnet
fossil finch
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It's speculation but it's reasonable
(And its id being right next to eachother is true

coral carbon
#

yeah its true but it doesnt matter

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terra blade is next to like the fucking glass door

fossil finch
#

Do you not know that terraria's ids are numerical and thus deterministic of addition order

lavish condor
golden sonnet
north oracle
cobalt pewter
#

ID only indicates the order of addition, it doesn't always mean that there will always be a specific order of many things

north oracle
#

we should change it to that, it's clearly what vanilla intended

coral carbon
fervent orbit
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vilethorn and starfury are next to eachother

golden sonnet
#

this conversation has severly derailed and should probably just die

fossil finch
#

They're all hell items that were added around thee same time anss have thee exact theming and pallete anyway so like what are you guys arguing against

fervent orbit
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they have the same pallete because they have the same origin???

coral carbon
wide river
fossil finch
#

kaizo said the extremely true thing it could be added to shadow chest and it's thematically fitting the whole point of our argument

sleek turret
#

dude wtf i made an statement based on sprite similarity and y'all just derail the entire shit

fervent orbit
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we dont need shadow chests to have more items

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especially one that couldve been obtained earlier

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shouldve*

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actually

dense ferry
#

What the fuck is even going on

fossil finch
#

also starfury and vilethorn being next to eachother is actually also related, they're both weapons that used mana before damage classes existed

coral carbon
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bro

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you are grasping at straws

sleek turret
#

if you want it to put it on post-evil 1 idk put it on the brimstone crag chests where 2 items (bladecrest and old oath) are

coral carbon
#

they're both weapons that used mana!!! they're related!!!

fervent orbit
sleek turret
#

if it was intended for post-skeletron then i'd put it on shadow chests

fossil finch
#

Kaizo wants a guaranteed way to get it because of it being a material and putting it in shadowchests is a nice way to compromise while not invalidating the original thing probably wdk wdc

wide river
golden sonnet
fervent orbit
#

shadow chests cant really be changed without yknow

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changing shadow chests generation

fossil finch
#

No??????

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You can add an item to a chest loot pool just fine

fervent orbit
#

yea but

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we dont want that

sleek turret
#

raesh that's one of the arguments

fossil finch
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Calamity already changes chest pools

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Multiple

sleek turret
#

the main point of the sugg was to have a guaranted way to get the item

golden sonnet
fervent orbit
#

getting a specific item in a shadowchest is alr annoying we dont need to bloat it with a post evil 1 weapon

sleek turret
#

it doesn't specifically mean i'm wanting to put the item on the chests, i just gave an idea and made a reason about it

fossil finch
#

Anyways add it to fishing so there's an easier obtainment method

#

🥹

fervent orbit
#

a 3rd crag chest would be the best fit

golden sonnet
sleek turret
#

👍

coral carbon
fervent orbit
north oracle
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the shadow chest experience

coral carbon
#

i HATE the treasure magnet

golden sonnet
#

Hey, magnet is good! the first time

wide river
#

At least some mod lets you craft every other drop with the magnet

sleek turret
#

the magnet is a recipe to the best building related item in the game so it can stay

coral carbon
#

i dont build

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so its worthless to me

fervent orbit
coral carbon
#

🔥

sleek turret
#

that's a you problem

fossil finch
#

You issue

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Tbh

sleek turret
#

it's the same thing with like hermes boots in vanilla because you don't know if the first chest is an hermes or it's a band of regeneration

fervent orbit
#

dont shit on my guy band of regen

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instead shit on shoe spikes

coral carbon
#

TRUE

sleek turret
#

but atleast gold chests are good items you can get for the rest of the early game

coral carbon
#

so true cutie no wait

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😭

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now i have to get myself out of that habit

fervent orbit
coral carbon
fossil finch
#

Shoe spikes haters when the donor armor that needs 3 of them to craft the boots drops

sleek turret
#

and shadow chest items are the same thing which means...

fossil finch
#

Kaizo youre so true

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(You could add demon scythe as secondary loot and literally negate this entire discussion

sleek turret
#

Yeah true

fervent orbit
#

i feel like im forgetting something

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oh wait

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didnt they make treasure magnet secondary in 1.4.4

sleek turret
#

let me check Real Quick here

fervent orbit
#

i remember hearing smthn about treasure magnet not be annoying as shit and idk if its secondary or lower drop rate

coral carbon
fervent orbit
#

huh

golden sonnet
coral carbon
#

it was a real problem

fervent orbit
#

yea id imagine that swag was kinda cringe 💀

coral carbon
#

YOU

golden sonnet
coral carbon
wide river
#

Eyebrow raise

fervent orbit
#

i know where to put this

coral carbon
fervent orbit
#

WAT

north oracle
fervent orbit
#

wdym mf

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:ccc

wide river
#

My Friend clueless

sleek turret
#

yeah treasure magnet is secondary loot

coral carbon
sleek turret
#

shares the spot with demonic hellcart, and the 2 pet items

coral carbon
fervent orbit
sleek turret
#

yeah because not everyone has the pc of the year

fervent orbit
#

i dont either?

sleek turret
#

lol?

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either way ye just put it on secondary loot

fervent orbit
#

or a 3rd crag chest

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let it sit with its sword brothers

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actually wait no

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its not even that

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idk why i thought olc was in there

coral carbon
#

do the crag chests still exist

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😭

fervent orbit
#

its ashen stalactite

coral carbon
#

i've never found those

fervent orbit
#

yes

coral carbon
#

wtf

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liar liar pants on fire

fervent orbit
#

theres 2 of them

golden sonnet
#

there's like..... a single one under the bridge

fervent orbit
#

its one?

golden sonnet
#

I feel like I only ever find one, but there might be two

fervent orbit
#

im wondering to myself why isnt the chests placement documented when theres just an image of the entire biome

#

im so fucking stupid

coral carbon
golden sonnet
fervent orbit
#

uhh raesh can u send an image eq

golden sonnet
#

of?

fervent orbit
#

wait fuck

golden sonnet
#

it is 2

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noob is right

fervent orbit
#

atleast i think theyre chests

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but one has oathsword and one has stalactite

coral carbon
# golden sonnet

oh thats why i never found them because i remembered them being like little houses😭

fervent orbit
#

a third for demon scythe would just make sense

wide river
#

Zooming in on the image shows the chests more clearly

fleet flume
#

There's one in the bottom left corner

fervent orbit
#

yea i could see 2x2 stuff but i wasnt sure theyre chests

fleet flume
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And one on the right

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And three on the bridges

golden sonnet
wide river
#

Those aren't chests

fervent orbit
#

those arent chests

golden sonnet
fleet flume
#

What are they if not chests?

fervent orbit
#

decor

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raesh

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did y ou just

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delete a message to not get snaild

coral carbon
#

🐌

fleet flume
#

Well it was deleted

coral carbon
#

nyeah... baka just snailed u..

golden sonnet
#

I just deleted it because it wasn't needed

coral carbon
#

🐌

golden sonnet
wide river
#

You have no proof it was there clueless

fleet flume
fervent orbit
#

me going to get a discord plugin to see deleted messages:

golden sonnet
#

so uh, back to an extra chest in the crags (it is impressive how off topic this channel is)

fervent orbit
#

itd make sense since post evil 1 tiered stuff r already there of 2 other classes

#

and ig dragoon is also there but obtained via fishing instead

#

summoner gets no cool crag stuff pre hm

novel belfry
#

Rework the Caustic Croaker Staff to not be a Sentry.
Not only is it not exactly a great sentry at all (it literally destroys itself, forcing you to constantly summon it, and it doesn't even do much damage to warrant using it), but there's also ANOTHER sentry in the Sulphurous Sea, the Rusty Beacon Prototype, that is much better and can even be obtained in a rusty chest BEFORE even killing EoC. Plus, why is it a sentry in the first place, when a weapon like this would normally not take up any minion/sentry slots?
Might as well make it a non-slot summoner weapon, so that the Caustic Croaker can be used more often.

north oracle
#

Reworking it into an active summon would be better if it didn’t directly clash with cnidarian

Maybe just rework it so it doesn’t need constant Resummoning?

novel belfry
#

Cnidarian sucks too honestly

drowsy plank
#

rbp is pre-Boss, caustic is post clueless

novel belfry
#

but that's a different story

north oracle
#

And croaker isn’t worse than RBP :p

distant gyro
#

i think it has a fine premise

north oracle
#

Polyp launcher maybe

#

For sure, yeah
Reasoning might need work XD

distant gyro
#

polyp and rbp might need nerfs though

north oracle
#

They’re both SS, I think they might need nerfs

novel belfry
#

maybe buff the Caustic Croaker?

north oracle
#

In which case RBP is group damage, polyp is single target, and croaker is high maintenance

#

They do kinda work, but croaker is too high maintenance to allow proper snapthorn use atm

#

And… you should kinda always use snapthorn

distant gyro
#

croaker is also kinda AP hell

#

9 projectiles 8 damage

#

whack a snapthorn on it and add a stn

#

precedent isn't great anyway considering slime puppet and borealis bomber are detached magic missiles on a summoning stick

north oracle
#

slime puppet is also just absurd

distant gyro
#

slime puppet is unironically pretty close to a flamelash statwise

#

with half the mana cost and like a bit less damage

sand marlin
#

Holy hell the amount of convo that happened here over one suggestion

#

Sounds like a classic

lucid marsh
#

It's a good suggestion

#

Just...

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Idk how to describe

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So nevermind

sand marlin
#

The good part of the suggestion is having a reason to fit the weapon functionality into its theming

#

The rest I wouldn't comment on

lucid marsh
#

I agree with all of it

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But it's a lot of work

lucid marsh
#

Suggestion idea I'm too tired to write out:
Astrum deus phase where the two halves circle around you in a double ouroboros pattern and fire laser projectiles like a mini version of the DoG and Providence bullet hell phases

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Or the calamitas one

#

This would make the fight more interesting

sleek turret
#

yeah it would be nice

sleek turret
#

not to blame anyone but it's True

glossy dragon
#

@lucid marsh that could be a good revengance (or death mode) unique attack

alpine dawn
#

@hollow shell can you approve my ele suggestion to voting?

golden sonnet
#

There are no emoji reactions on it, so it's already approved

sand marlin
#

Sounds like someone hasn't read sugg rules Clueless give pins a read or scroll to the top in #suggestions-posting

stable kiln
#

the suggestion is fine but requesting a rework of an entire line is just

#

a bit grand

drowsy plank
#

yeah

buoyant idol
#

His wish kinda is fulfilled thanks to the art submission

#

Ultrakill sawblade launcher

frosty trellis
#

Permafrosts isn't useless what????

The revive itself yeah even with the 30 ADR you kinda need to invest defensively to make use of it past Mechs

But it's main use isn't the revive, it's the fact.it reduces Mana usage and increases Mana Regen significantly which allows it to be a staple for Mana Regen builds or just minmaxing Mana cost reduction for stuff like prisms if you don't want to use Chaos Stone while still not wanting to chug through hundreds of mana pots per fight

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@paper torrent

wide river
#

Also the life regen is nice

paper torrent
#

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

hollow shell
#

When the revive accessory is more useful for its filler stats

paper torrent
#

I'm going to rename it, then. And edit it to be more focused on the revive. Or just remove it entirely.

frosty trellis
#

Yeah

paper torrent
#

Because it's STILL infuriating.

frosty trellis
#

Making the revive either actually useful or reworking it would be best I think

frosty trellis
wide river
#

The two sides of the revive spectrum
Borderline garbage (Permafrost's Concoction)
Absurdly busted (Silva revive)

paper torrent
#

There we go.

glass arch
#

and the fact that silva revive heals you to 50% with the wing bonus

drowsy plank
#

i am perma revive's number 1 defender

#

it's actually based it's just a skill issue ultimatesmug

hollow shell
#

It's at least admirable for managing to be trash despite being a revive that you get as early as Cryo

novel belfry
#

it certainly makes sense, given when you obtain the concoction

hollow shell
novel belfry
#

It COULD certainly be better tho, i do feel infuriated whether the revive only ends up delaying the inevitable

fervent orbit
#

sometimes delaying the inevitable is all u need

lucid marsh
#

That's not very common

bright crag
#

I sent a rework idea in dev that was generally pretty accepted

#

We'll see how that goes ig

wide river
#

I do like how Permafrost's Concoction gives more life regen when under a fire debuff
Sorta a callback to his relationship with Calamitas

deft yew
#

That feels pretty left-field to put it lightly

#

I can see it though

#

(The fire resistance existed LONG before Perma had anything to do with Cal anyway)

royal tapir
#

Before, it reduced the duration of a few specific debuffs, including Poisoned

drowsy plank
#

perma revive is cool it just needs to be balanced more to give the player agency and then people will prolly stop complaining even if it itself will need to be weakened

lucid marsh
#

It should be better or be a material in something else

wide river
rough warren
#

Imo they need to buff yoyos, ive been doing a yoyo only run and ive been stuck on the DOG (death mode) for 4h now the farthest ive gotten it down to is 500k hp. yoyos do not even come close to comparable to just normal weapons (swords, magic, summoner, ranged) at almost every point in the game yoyos are just dealing way less damage than any other weapon. Going back about the DOG, the yoyo you get right before fighting it legit says and I quote "someone thought this was a viable weapon against the DoG lol"

golden tulip
#

you would love the latest vanilla spoiler

worldly sparrow
rough warren
#

no

worldly sparrow
#

see it then

golden tulip
#

i cant even tell what it does from the video but it does something

coral carbon
rough warren
#

alr ill take a look at the spoiler

golden tulip
#

otherwise its just a goblin spiky ball

#

that might not even pierce

drowsy plank
#

yoyos do not need buffs is this a joke

#

i need to go check tiercord

hollow ridge
#

Nah

worldly sparrow
#

well yeah also most yoyos are viable with cal buffing the vanilla ones

hollow ridge
#

They're somewhat ok

#

Some arent

#

Some are

#

Not in an awful place anyway

#

👍

north oracle
#

There’s a lot of extremely powerful yo-yos in cal now

#

Just… not post ML

hollow ridge
#

Some vanilla ones are surprisingly not garbage

rough warren
#

yoyos arnt awful just I see tons of other weapons that far out damage them to the point where why would you use a yoyo if you could easily just grab a weapon that deals like 3x its damage

worldly sparrow
#

and lacerator will never be buffed in any direct way

#

its intended for that shit to stay a meme

golden tulip
#

they should make a yoyo mod like they did with flamethrowers and whips that would unironically go so hard

north oracle
#

Then that can merge with catalyst too XD

drowsy plank
north oracle
#

Really? Oh, terrarian got good again at least didn’t it

#

Even obliterater and oracle combine for exos now

drowsy plank
#

all the yoyos except wooden are C or higher rn

north oracle
#

Damn

drowsy plank
#

there's still a handful that need to be tested/tiered but like

#

yoyos do NOT need buffs

north oracle
#

Oh that’s for sure

golden tulip
#

how does a c tier yoyo not need a buff

hollow ridge
#

Whar

drowsy plank
#

c tier means viable

hollow ridge
#

C tier is perfect iir

drowsy plank
#

aka on kill time

golden tulip
#

that is a weird rating system

drowsy plank
#

C is average

#

so the average weapons go in C

golden tulip
#

then ok yea theyre fine

drowsy plank
#

everything above is an issue and needs to be nerfed, starting with SS, and everything below needs to be buffed, starting with. Z XD

hollow ridge
#

Am I too late?

#

Also z tier isnt on here

worldly sparrow
north oracle
#

Eventually everything should end up in A-D

Summoner is totally fucked in that regard btw

hollow ridge
#

@ shmoovil

north oracle
golden tulip
drowsy plank
# rough warren Imo they need to buff yoyos, ive been doing a yoyo only run and ive been stuck o...

anyway, firstly, weapon balance is for #1042197406776827914 not here, secondly, this is a subclass suggestion, and henceforth, irrelevant for balance. you're purposefully subjecting yourself to a challenge, that's just how it is. the average player will swap between a lot of weapons, so there's no reason to make it so every tier has every type of weapon and they're all viable on the boss. that would just ruin diversity, and lastly... i mean you did read the tooltip on lacerator, right?

hollow ridge
#

Someone said this was viable on dog lol

#

Goof

rough warren
drowsy plank
#

okay but that is arguably worse because every other yoyo is weaker than it HDfailure

#

the point is this is just where yoyo subclass runs usually die in cal

north oracle
#

along with a lot of subclass runs

drowsy plank
#

anyway lacerator really should get its aura back seriously why tf did they remove that 💥

golden sonnet
#

I still think it should be post polter

glass arch
#

yeah but that would also mean moving the rest of the bloodstone crafts to post polter

#

which yknow

#

not a completely bad thing

drowsy plank
#

bloodstone should just be reworked when it finally gets moved to ravager

#

there's 0 reason bloodstone should have polterplasm in it fr

dim snow
#

never understood that tbh

drowsy plank
#

why is polterplasm even pre-Polter!!!

dim snow
#

obtainable post provi from a random previous boss but can’t be utilized till post polter?

drowsy plank
#

no polterplasm is a post-ML material

#

which

dim snow
#

oh i meant ruinous souls

drowsy plank
#

is even stupider HDfailure

#

lol

dim snow
#

cus like also 80% of the bloodstone core weapons are

#

not good at all

#

so armor is mostly what it’s used for
and blood boiler troll

#

atm i feel like bloodstone cores, perennial, and uelibloom are all very odd resources that don’t fit into the game well

drowsy plank
#

you guys wanna see all the things you can make with polterplasm pre-Polter?

#

behold;
bloodstone core (why)
necroplasmic beacon (sure)
cosmic worm (huh??)
sea dragon (this already needs armored shells...)
statis' ninja belt (again, why)
eldritch soul artifact (i hate you <3)
polterplasm dye (ok)
supreme mana potions (sure, i guess)

glass arch
#

cosmic worm is because of the og recipe

#
  • progression skipping
drowsy plank
#

yes i know

#

why the fuck is polterplasm in it

#

what connection does DoG have with polter

glass arch
#

old cal or something

drowsy plank
#

you could just leave it as luminite and galactica sings and it would literally be exactly the same

grim tusk
glass arch
north oracle
#

Shade please go through pre-hardmode summoner and do this thank you -w-

drowsy plank
#

idk there's gotta be something better than polterplasm

grim tusk
drowsy plank
#

it only uses polterplasm bc

#

Pink

#

it's so fucking silly

worldly sparrow
north oracle
#

I just want uh
Pre skeletron to not be literally just seabound and post skeletron to not be completely broken

royal tapir
grim tusk
# grim tusk Imo its more SS - NERF NOW S - Nerf it A - needs a nerf but its not concerning e...

Dev tier: its dev tier its not going to be balanced due to lack of priority (and boss rush being so long)

B ext. Its likely accessories, mechanics (point blank causing so that Yharon needs at least 3 testers) or playstyle (stealth, mana management, aggressiveness) being silly

D and E. Some weapons such as very early pre-boss (low tier ore bows, wulfrum, starter bag items, etc are intentionally kept here to incentivize looking for better stuff)

north oracle
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Can we leave puff shroom there forever :p
(Screw you puff shroom)

buoyant idol
grim tusk
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Thanathos, hearts, seekers and Ares in question

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Also they will get tiershifted to post-Yharim

wide river
buoyant idol
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True, best to ignore them until Yharim comes

worldly sparrow
grave zincBOT
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[Add Wulfrum Platforms]

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[Make Accessories/Items That Give Amalgam's "Double Potion Duration/Persist on Death" Effect Earlier In Progression]

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[Allow all Melee Weapons to have Legendary Reforge]

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wide river
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Good batch

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I didn't expect half of this to get through but glad nonetheless

buoyant idol
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It was #1 in the batch, that's suprising.

worldly sparrow
small timber
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as the suggestion pointed out: the other stat of the item is good

so the revive is literally just an added benefit for chance of surviving

worldly sparrow
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potential for material bloat to be very slightly reduced

small timber
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and it do work for many bosses, it only don't work against bosses that is heavy contact damage (eg: standing in Fishron's tornado/Ravager hitbox when you die)

against most projectile boss like EOL even your chance of survival is quite high because the revive (when you are unable to move) also gives you a lot of defensive stats

wide river
drowsy plank
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the dodge one is bad but the rest are good

lucid marsh
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Why?

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I've found it to be very annoying when you are on your way to a boss arena and get hit by something on the way, then you have to wait a full minute to summon the boss or else you're being suboptimal

lucid marsh
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Another solution would be to make dodges not activate on attacks that would deal less than 10 damage, or something like that

frosty trellis
lucid marsh
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Oh right

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Just summon a king slime to refresh your dodge

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Ok I see the problem

coral carbon
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I dont think the dodge one can work tbh

lucid marsh
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You could make the boss zen buff refresh your dodge when first applied

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Or you could do the thing I suggested and ignored the lowest damage hits for dodges and have it not activate

golden sonnet
worldly sparrow
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two is company

buoyant idol
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A dev deadline should be enlisted to remove the void

coral carbon
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I dont

hollow shell
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How to increase dev team stress by 200%

sleek turret
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2-3 bussiness days

coral carbon
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lets give them a deadline to finish everything currently in 👍 hell

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that totally wont increase stress by 1000%

fossil finch
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personally a dev deadline should be enlisted to remove old d

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(do not put deadlines to anything like why

novel belfry
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thats generally an AAA game thing, and nowadays they're kinda hemorhaging reputation soooooo

lucid marsh
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I wonder what kinds of changes would make me want to build more?

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I did a substantial amount of building in the vernal pass, sort of

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Made a town there

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Unfortunately I'll probably be less interested in doing that in subsequent playthroughs

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Some kind of new game plus might be nice, where sections of a world are copied to a new world

bold wave
sand marlin
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It has that ONE niche

lucid marsh
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If it freezes you in place, it isn't really as good, because if you get hit like 10x more than normal, that cancels out taking 10x less damage

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As an example, not exact numbers

sand marlin
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No not really

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It is not comparable the amount you can tank with a tank build in revival state

lucid marsh
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Maybe I misunderstood

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How it works

sand marlin
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You get 30 defense and 30% ADR in revival state

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With a balanced build, this may not look as much

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But in a tank build, you are unkillable pretty much

lucid marsh
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Ok makes sense

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But what if you just die while frozen

sand marlin
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That's the point

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You can't die while frozen you have a tank build

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You are tanky as fuck

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We need an MPG clip with frozen state against blender tbh

lucid marsh
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The way someone else was talking about it made me think that you would sometimes

sand marlin
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Xpc? That wasn't with a tank build in mind obviously, in casual play only balanced builds are considered

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Though those bosses can still be troublesome

lucid marsh
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Most times you'd want a revive is for a boss

sand marlin
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I said "those bosses" not just bosses

frosty trellis
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Why would you assume that's a possiblity

sand marlin
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It's not a possibility

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It's a uh

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What do you call it

small timber
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with sponge gone you lose a surprising amount of tankiness on full tank
and elysian guard is gone

sand marlin
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Script

small timber
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but yeah, just pop a healing pot with new absorber and should be fine for the most part

lucid marsh
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I'm excited to see how new sponge works

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Tbh it prob should have been a completely new accessory instead of being a replacement

sand marlin
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Doesn't really make a difference

lucid marsh
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Yeah I guess

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As much as I like and understand the new accessory system, it is a little sad to lose the classic mega accessories

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The new way is better...

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But still

sand marlin
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Imo mega accessories should still be relevant as a way to upgrade weaker versions of the effects which are pretty cool

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Having indirect upgrades feel off in that sense

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There probably isn't any rn though I can't think of one off the top of my head

small timber
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the only worry is now post-ML defensive accessory option is abit lacking, but post-cultist is overstacked

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though you still have rampart and core of the blood god post-DOG I guess

sand marlin
small timber
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it is a weird kind of defensive, I mean is like generic tank stat one

sand marlin
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Rework Bloodpact when

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I can't believe this died because of stars

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@wide river you wanna resugg rework blood pact?

lucid marsh
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Oh damn yeah I missed that

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Blood pact SUCKS right now

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A thought

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The supreme calamitas fight is short enough that the music usually doesn't play all the way through each phase

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So you end up missing segments

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I mean, you get each phase, but you miss some really good parts of the themes of those phases

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Oh yeah and how the heck does the music swap seamlessly from phase to phase? Last I noticed it felt seamless, anyways

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Maybe the fight could have some pauses added between phases for the music to last just a bit longer...

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Oh yeah also it sucks when the projectiles go so far off screen that they kill your NPCs like 70 blocks away from the arena

sand marlin
lucid marsh
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Oh I see, that makes sense but it's not as impressive as I thought it would be with like, waiting for the current... Segment to finish

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Or maybe each segment was designed with timing to be able to fade to the next one seamlessly?

sand marlin
sand marlin
lucid marsh
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In my opinion, timed boss fights should match their music tracks

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Scal is like, half timed

sand marlin
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Nah SCal isn't timed

lucid marsh
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Anyways yeah the second half of each phase of the Scal fight themes usually don't play because you win so fast or die