suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Adding a config for a small controversial change rather than just asking for a change directly

In this case a config over a single debuff's visual effects defo seems way too minor

@cloud surge imo It would be better if you just asked for the visual effect to get changed to something else, something that doesn't obscure NPCs so much, rather than asking for a config for something so particular

[cloud surge]

would it be allowed to ask for some sort of mod call for disabling it? this is relevant to a mod im working on (that last part particularly)

[hollow shell]

Again, unnecessary
Just ask them to change the effect

if you think it's a bad effect

And I think you could report the full screen green effect in #1052323733961977947

There's a mod compatibility tag

[cloud surge]

alright

is that edit good?

[hollow shell]

Yes much better, thank you

[wintry gale]

srry for being offtopic but
whats this role you have?

[cloud surge]

nohit role (not obtainable anymore)

[wintry gale]

i see

funny
wherever i go, theres always these limited time roles

[cloud surge]

not really limited time but was made unobtainable because people with them would act like they were above others

[wintry gale]

What a shame

[grim tusk]

As well as people stopping to nohit for fun and only for the roles which increased toxicity a lot

[wintry gale]

Why am i not surprised

[undone cedar]

I need my miracle blight for funny bugs

[golden sonnet]

Miracle blight is a flawless debuff with no issues The Ares Incident isn't real

[buoyant idol]

send the fake Ares incident

[golden sonnet]

I don't think images were released, but the Devs revealed that the reason Ares is immune to miracle blight is because Ares just straight up becomes invisible when inflicted with it

[buoyant idol]

Oh

I thought it'd burn your monitor to death

[ashen warren]

i feel like all these qol suggestions could go better as another mod

because having all these features would 1. interfere with the same feature from other actual qol mods and 2. be weird because calamity as a content mod should remain like that imo, and let the qol mods do the qol things

it's the same gripe i had with alchemistnpc (not lite) but flipped on its head, it was meant to be a qol mod but added content after content until it simply didn't feel like one, more a glorified random content mod with qol sprinkled on top

with calamity it's the other way round, the qol should stay with the qol and the content should stay with the content

and say somebody liked cal's take on a feature, more than any other qol mod, they'd either have to play cal to get the feature, or go out and make an entire mod dedicated to ripping cal's take out of the files, which is more work than it's good for

[north oracle]

Isn’t that luxors suggestion just a SIS? It’s giving the way in which the item should be reworked, and where it could be obtained

Also, summoning clones is op no matter what stage you get the item on

[worldly sparrow]

honestly yeah

[north oracle]

And it’s frequently worth with ranger, and situationally worth with summoner lol

[worldly sparrow]

god i love uni splitter's interaction with luxors

[north oracle]

@robust cloak
Bit late, but there’s a rule that doesnt allow you to suggest super specific ways to rework/add items.
I agree that luxors needs tweaks as it’s far too situational, but you need to leave how it’s reworked up to the devs

Most of your reasoning is solid, except that luxors does have some extremely powerful use cases. Just be less specific lol

[novel belfry]

Honestly I want a mod that’s just every single QoL change calamity does

[north oracle]

(For now @drowsy plank can it be flagged)

[drowsy plank]

we had a discussion about this earlier and rover was looking at it and seemed fine with it so uh

i guess it is fine????

[north oracle]

Guh

It’s quite SIS

[drowsy plank]

i dont disagree

esp the uh

random move to post scourge

[north oracle]

and will be denied because of that

[worldly sparrow]

honestly if the rework would be like what it is in the sugg the clone better do like, 10% the damage of the actual weapon

[worldly sparrow]

cuz aint no way they gonna double the damage of some weapons

[north oracle]

Yeah, making clones of post AS weapons for mechs is the same power increase as making clones of pre-boss weapons for preboss

[oblique geyser]

most of the time the elitism is totally fabricated though

[north oracle]

Well in that case
As this will actually get to go to voting apparently, it should just be made less specific so the devs won’t just instantly deny it :p

[wide river]

Fabricated... like the Exo Mechs theme Inferior Fabrications?!?!?!?!

[oblique geyser]

(I said OLC can be used to cheese pretty much every boss)

he blocked me when I beat prime no wasd with only olc for movement

[north oracle]

The Esmund experience

He blocked me for telling him that maybe he wouldn’t be struggling on destroyer if he had wings and a dash

[oblique geyser]

I can't believe he is still alive in fargocord

[coral carbon]

OLC?

[north oracle]

Old lord claymore

[wide river]

The Calamity community when acronyms

[north oracle]

Yeah, he got banned from here for being annoying and disruptive
And yet he’s still in fargocord doing whatever the hell he’s doing

[oblique geyser]

tbh esmund is only #2 on my "users I would ban from fargo if given the opportunity"

[north oracle]

Lmao

[worldly sparrow]

glad im not in fargocord

seeing all the things ive heard

[oblique geyser]

Fargocord isn't a bad server

[north oracle]

I’m in the server to see the horrific calamity takes

Not because I like the mod

[wide river]

I left it recently shrimply because the art channel was a hellscape but that was the only place I was interested in

[oblique geyser]

Granted I only hang out in the nohit and tester channels in Fargo

So

Idk we had 2 users in the nohit channel get banned for various reasons

[north oracle]

I’m not in either of those
Because I don’t want to nohit that mod and it’s not enjoyable enough for me to want to test it instead of cal

[oblique geyser]

The Shimmer incident

[worldly sparrow]

im just in terracord for the occasional update leak, tmod for updates on updates and then calcord calart and cal weapon tierlist

[oblique geyser]

The meat man was certainly a user also

[worldly sparrow]

thats really all im in in terms of terraria

[north oracle]

I’m in a lot of calcord related servers

I mean it’s not really that many, but it’s a lot of cal servers XD

[worldly sparrow]

afaik theres like 5 calcord servers which im not in

mostly the addons

[north oracle]

5 public ones

[worldly sparrow]

and yet im in 3

1 of which isnt even public

[oblique geyser]

The best cal subserver is CC

Because it's a subserver of a subserver

[coral carbon]

everquartz server :despair:

[worldly sparrow]

afaik theres calcord, calart, a few addons, ccc, nohitcord, tier list server, patreon server and dev server

[north oracle]

I still don’t know if I have any interest in joining that one ngl
I’ve started talking in nohitcord again since I stopped nohitting, but I still don’t know people there

[north oracle]

Don’t forget cmtr and offshoots

[worldly sparrow]

tf is cmtr

[north oracle]

Hell

[oblique geyser]

Do you play SCP SL

[worldly sparrow]

do you have the slighest idea how little that narrows it down

[north oracle]

Nah
Weirdly it’s a game that’s been coming up all over YT for me tho lol

[oblique geyser]

Calamity Coc

[north oracle]

Sorry
Hell but more

[north oracle]

There’s dev and patreon servers for addons too ofc

[wide river]

So the Calamity subreddit

[oblique geyser]

CMTR is CMT Regulars

And since the average IQ of CMT users is like 20

Then yeah

[worldly sparrow]

yeah that sounds like hell plus 2

[north oracle]

Basically
Take all the most annoying and dumb people from cmt and put them in a server with nearly no moderation

[oblique geyser]

Fun fact this is the second version of CMTR

[worldly sparrow]

god

[north oracle]

And watch Obama absolutely go off at them

[oblique geyser]

Because the first one got deleted after it came out that minors were being let into some very NSFW channels

[royal tapir]

ok

[worldly sparrow]

right, off topic

[oblique geyser]

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

most on topic discussion in calcord

[oblique geyser]

I would never be off topic

[north oracle]

That would never happen

[wide river]

I think I have a suggestion lying around somewhere, lemme see if I can find it

[oblique geyser]

CIT knows this

[royal tapir]

This guy

[wide river]

There we go

[worldly sparrow]

good sugg

gehenna could also use a rework but removing is easier

[wide river]

Was initially considering just merging the two then I thought "wait I don't like either of these" and just decided to suggest removing them both

Plus, not like merging their effects is gonna make people use them

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

gehenna is bad and abbadon is incredibly situational

[bright crag]

Brimmy drops Flame-Licked Shell too right

[worldly sparrow]

yes

[bright crag]

Good
Because every boss needs an ""Expert"" accessory

[wide river]

I forgot about that one
I should at least point out it exists since currently my suggestion makes it seem like it doesn't

[dense ferry]

@wide river I think you should suggest to merge both and add something, actually

[wide river]

I'm curious as to why you think that. Mind elaborating?

[golden sonnet]

wdym by add something

[cold cosmos]

Just make both of them rose stone effects

[worldly sparrow]

isn't that void of extinction but just earlier in progression? and no damage buffs

[wide river]

Give the merged thingy a new effect I assume

[cold cosmos]

Make both of their effects part of rose stone

And it’ll still be bad

[dense ferry]

Brimmy has no real accessory other than Rose Stone, which imo should be completely moved out of Brimmy's Drop Pool and given an alternate obtaniment method

Same should be done to Flame Licked Shell imo

[worldly sparrow]

but then it has no "expert" accesory

[dense ferry]

Also that would leave Void Extinction with barely any components

[dense ferry]

I mean no offense with this, but

Why should we care?

We removed those for a reason

[bright crag]

Consistency

[cold cosmos]

Isn’t VoE… not good anyway though?

[bright crag]

Every boss still has one

[worldly sparrow]

it's like, alright

[dense ferry]

Honestly fuck consistency, if that leads to accessory bloat it doesn't matter

[bright crag]

I mean, ideally the Expert accessories would be useful

Things like the Sabaton rework help

[dense ferry]

Also if we removed Rose Stone but kept a reworked fusion of Gehenna and Abbadon, that'd be the "Expert Drop"

[cold cosmos]

Just make every expert acc Shield of Cthulhu, easy

It’s the only one anyone ever uses anyway

[crude geode]

It’d be a bit weird for rose stone not to drop from Brimmy

[dense ferry]

I genuinely want every Elemental Summon to be out of the actual Elemental

[crude geode]

Considering every other ele accessory drops specifically from their respective elemental

[worldly sparrow]

celestial starboard, demon heart, worm scarf, sometimes boc
shrimpy truffle & broom are good too

[crude geode]

That’s a different point entirely

[dense ferry]

Eye of the Storm is the only one I'd keep dropped by the Elemental

[cold cosmos]

Demon heart isn’t an accessory though

Neither is truffle

And who uses worm scarf?

[wide river]

It's a genuinely good accessory in vanilla

[worldly sparrow]

a lot of people its very good

[cold cosmos]

Or BoC for that matter

[crude geode]

Anyone who uses it’s upgrades for melee as well

[worldly sparrow]

daytime empress

[cold cosmos]

Starboard is valid though you got me there

[dense ferry]

Rose Stone could go to reworked Azafure, Sand idk, Ana's would go to the Abyss

[cold cosmos]

Doesn’t that not work anymore?

[wide river]

1.4.4 when it makes that not work (or it was one of the subsequent patches but still)

[worldly sparrow]

oh damn they patched that?

now you actually gotta nohit

[dense ferry]

Sand would probably be a complex crafting now that I think about it but the other two would 100% go into the actual world

Anyways yeah

[wide river]

Yea 1.4.4 changelogs on the wiki

[worldly sparrow]

damn

[wide river]

Ignore the poor cropping I just noticed that now

[cold cosmos]

Personally I don’t think I’ve ever used worm scarf or BoC, but that might be personal preference

[crude geode]

Hella personal preference

Most of the base community likes worm scarf

It’s just cal dilutes accessory pool

[cold cosmos]

I just want move fast, why need defense if not get hit?

[worldly sparrow]

yeah thats personal preference

[crude geode]

Noshitters when

[worldly sparrow]

most people get hit

[cold cosmos]

Oh I get hit plenty

[wide river]

Well I'm not one to ignore feedback on my suggestions, but I'm curious how I can change the suggestion to adapt the feedback given

[worldly sparrow]

its dr is really good though especially for how early it is

[cold cosmos]

But I seriously can’t play the game without at least 4 movement accessories on

[worldly sparrow]

being?

[crude geode]

What feedback in particular?

(Also #calamity-mod-talk or something pls)

[wide river]

.

[cold cosmos]

Dash, wings/double jump, boots, magiluminesence or frog leg or insignia

[crude geode]

Ehhhh

[cold cosmos]

All the move fast

Preferably all of them

[wide river]

I don't particularly want to ignore it, but at the same time I feel like my current suggestion is fine
But then future plans might mess with that, so I dunno

[crude geode]

I feel like that feedback relies a lot on rose stone getting moved out when it’s currently pretty solidly in brimmy’s drop pool

Unless someone else besides Rebecca confirms it’s in plans, I’m assuming it’s random dev thoughts

[worldly sparrow]

if you really can't play without boots then i unironically reccomend using tracers post-ml in cal

[wide river]

There was also the fact she brought up that Void of Extinction would have an empty recipe with this change

[cold cosmos]

Oh I do

And then I use the free slot for more movement usually

[worldly sparrow]

all you should ideally need for movement in post-ml or even late hardmode is just wings and a dash

you dont really need much else

[crude geode]

Empty? It would still be pretty decent recipe wise

[frosty trellis]

@wide river Cool suggestion

However, slight problem:
Abaddon is actually pretty useful especially for stuff like Death Calclone since she inflicts brimstone flames

So that would need to be addressed

[drowsy plank]

the main issue with suggesting to merge gehenna is

it fucking sucks

conceptually

like it really is better off dead

abaddon is fine tho

if it is really a problem just made abaddon reduce the debuff damage/duration and let void give full immunity

of course abaddon would need something else then but

[crude geode]

Removing only gehenna could work

[drowsy plank]

anything would be better than pretending gehenna's effect actually does something

so dont just give gehenna's effect to abaddon id just say make something new

[dense ferry]

Yeah that's why I said

To merge both and rework

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to merge them

just rework abaddon and fucking kill gehenna

forever

[oblique geyser]

delete both

[drowsy plank]

abaddon is fine

it's a debuff immunity accessory people actually use

i like that

gehenna is just

nothing

[frosty trellis]

Yeah Abaddon is fine it's very good for death clone byeah

[drowsy plank]

it should not try to be something
if brimmy needs an "expert" accessory just make something new

[worldly sparrow]

what if gehenna's effect was just merged into abaddon

[drowsy plank]

💥

[oblique geyser]

is abaddon still used in valor

[drowsy plank]

gehenna's effect is dogshit stop trying to tack filler effects onto things

no

[crude geode]

Chill cogni

[wide river]

The "projectile rains from the sky" accessory trope is dead

[crude geode]

It is to be fair

[drowsy plank]

sorry that might have been a bit excessive in terms of langauge i just

am annoyed i spent the last five minutes saying why wouldnt shouldnt do that

[bright crag]

I personally think removing Gehenna and reworking Abaddon would be ideal
Though not sure whether Abaddon or Flame-Licked Shell should be the Expert drop

[drowsy plank]

and then someone said to do that

[bright crag]

Abaddon is thematically more fitting, but rn it has the Brimstone Flames immunity
Something you should be able to get pre-Brimmy

[drowsy plank]

flame-licked obvs
if abaddon is keeping its recipe, at least

[bright crag]

And can't just put the immunity in Flame-Licked, considering how tank-oriented it is

It's not exactly a tame accessory

[drowsy plank]

tho just shuffling that whole area around, putting abaddon on brimmy, and making a new immunity accessory for brim flames would also be fine

since i know abaddon has lore going on

i think

[bright crag]

True

[crude geode]

I keep forgetting rose stone isn’t brimmy’s expert accessory

[oblique geyser]

remove flame licked when 😔

[drowsy plank]

i want to forget heart and its components exist in their current state

[wide river]

The only "lore" it has is that its name is something from the Bible
That's about it from what I can tell

[oblique geyser]

tank builds need to be taken to the back alley and shot in the head 😍

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

this is not really exactly up to cal, nor is it a massively important information to track, but a separate mod for journey research qol with this feature would be nice

[wide river]

MPG will kill you

[drowsy plank]

counter offer we could just like chunk the defense by removing like 3/4ths

i still like the funny shells

[oblique geyser]

They're so boring though

It's literally just defense at the cost of speed and no additional effects

[drowsy plank]

does it not still have the bonus speed when hit?

[wide river]

35% decreased movement speed
Enemies take damage when they hit you
You move faster and lose 18 defense for 3 seconds if you take damage

[bright crag]

There are definitely cooler defensive accessories

[wide river]

Plus of course the 36 defense

[cobalt pewter]

I'm really liking how dash distance and velocity are stats that

just can be used for accs now

[drowsy plank]

of course, but i dont think flame licked is egregious in any way

there are bigger issues out there

[bright crag]

It's funny how
Cal has just a massive onslaught of defensive accessories rn

[oblique geyser]

Flame licked and ursa sergeant are really boring

Leviathan ambergris is ech

Affliction needs a major rework since it's just a broken OP stat stick rn

[cobalt pewter]

a lot of "expert" drops are just meh rn

[drowsy plank]

affliction and ambergris are p bad rn

[cobalt pewter]

thankfully Sabaton got based

[wide river]

Affliction is not bad wdym

[crude geode]

It’s because people never value defense in this community

[drowsy plank]

bad in terms of design philo

[cobalt pewter]

conceptually it's garbage, but statistically it's broken

[drowsy plank]

ursa is too

[worldly sparrow]

"big damage let kill boss fast so no get hit" - a lot of people probably

[drowsy plank]

but i really think flame licked is fine

[oblique geyser]

Damage is more interesting than defense

Objectively

[crude geode]

noshitter when they

[drowsy plank]

i cant remember if explosive bullets are dead but i liked using self damage to get the speed boost off of it

[cobalt pewter]

noshitter mindset

(both are boring)

[drowsy plank]

TURE

[cobalt pewter]

(movement is best)

[oblique geyser]

True...

[drowsy plank]

[wide river]

Indeed
I never see anyone recommend defensive builds in help-advice, they're always like "Here's the optimal damage loadouts and nothing else"

[worldly sparrow]

movement is nice but why not go hard glass cannon

[wide river]

Even most of the user guides follow this philosophy

[oblique geyser]

Playing a damage build is more interesting than a defensive build

[drowsy plank]

why go hard glass cannon when you can spec entirely into movement

[oblique geyser]

Because it's more fun to dodge the boss than to just tank every attack

[worldly sparrow]

true, someone make a tank guide for melee

[drowsy plank]

i will agree that dodging is more enjoyable than just tanking, but my brain always used flame-licked and the other shells as movement options lmfao

[cobalt pewter]

idk, if the defense build is funny, it's funny

it's not related to Terraria but a fangame survivors-like I'm playing has this character with a skill that just lets you

sleep, with DR and slowing down enemies, it's genuinely amusing to watch that gameplay go down

[oblique geyser]

Facetanking should just be completely removed

[wide river]

I legit wish people would stop being like "You MUST spec into one stat only and nothing else" when the game exists to have build variety and let you try out new combinations

[drowsy plank]

defense damage

trust

[worldly sparrow]

thats why defense damage was invented

but apparently it didnt do enough

[oblique geyser]

Defense damage isn't enough

[cobalt pewter]

defense damage should definitely go back up slower

right now it's just

beep

[drowsy plank]

DR damage

[cobalt pewter]

and done

[worldly sparrow]

dr damage yes

[oblique geyser]

Defense from all sources drastically nerfed

Defense now scales up with your velocity

[oblique geyser]

If you're not moving you get hit way harder

[cobalt pewter]

defense damage removes ALL your defense and it only starts regenerating for 10s after not taking damage

[wide river]

Funny you should say that

[worldly sparrow]

tank-speed hybrid builds are gonna thrive

[drowsy plank]

i didnt even know it did that

[cobalt pewter]

honestly that's not a bad idea for an acc

[drowsy plank]

goes to show how well it works

[oblique geyser]

Or maybe just reduce defense by a lot if you're moving very little

Tank isn't at all interesting in a single player scenario

[worldly sparrow]

or just nerf defense dr and regen AGAIN

[crude geode]

Myes rework defense entirely instead of buffing defense damage

[cobalt pewter]

yeah as it is defense damage system just doesn't do all that much due to the little impact it has, it should do much more

it only exists as practically flavor

[oblique geyser]

The warding buff was probably too much

[wide river]

Ok back on the suggestion for a moment
What was the consensus for my suggestion? I need to change it?
I'm curious about this because I saw at least 3 different opinions on how to change it

[drowsy plank]

oh i was just throwing ideas out

it's fine as is

[worldly sparrow]

also damage % stat should scale down to discourage pure glass cannon setups

[drowsy plank]

but feel free to use anything we talked about here

[cobalt pewter]

? wdym

[oblique geyser]

whar

[worldly sparrow]

similarly to how dr loses effectiveness the more you have

[wide river]

I'm not one to ignore feedback, but I really just don't know how to incorporate any of it...

[oblique geyser]

hmm

that seems not great

that seems like soft RDR reintroduction a little bit

[cobalt pewter]

additive damage stat already kinda does that to some extent

the higher you have the less impact your newer buffs will be

[worldly sparrow]

well flatten the curve more than it is to make people actually care

[wide river]

Eh, whatever. I'll delete it and come back to this another time

[cobalt pewter]

also for the Gehenna and Abaddon sugg

yeah just fucking remove them, or rework idk

[north oracle]

honestly weapons should be more powerful and you shouldn't be able to stack up to like 300% damage

[oblique geyser]

well like

damage and DR are totally different

[deft yew]

as a nohitter, I'M KILLING Y

[oblique geyser]

it's objectively true though, if you have enough defense you don't have to care about dodging and that is less interesting

if you go from 90% -> 95% damage that's like a 6% increase

[worldly sparrow]

meanwhile if you just have attack you still have to dodge the majority of attacks

[deft yew]

if you have enough damage you also don't have to care about dodging because the boss dies first

but that takes a lot

[oblique geyser]

if you go from 90% -> 95% DR you take half the damage

[deft yew]

[worldly sparrow]

that takes like, being near the complete extreme of glass cannon setups

[oblique geyser]

DR needs the scaling down because the marginal DR increases get better the higher DR gets

marginal damage increases get worse the higher damage gets

because damage% is multiplicative and DR% is divisive

[rough harbor]

multiplicative DSA when

[worldly sparrow]

defense modifiers in general need a nerf

[oblique geyser]

warding 3 defense in phm 4 defense in hardmode 5 defense in post moon lord

when

[worldly sparrow]

true

4 def pre-hm is broken af

you can legit tank wof lasers if you just max defense

[oblique geyser]

man I remember old cal when basically everything encouraged a glass cannon build and now it's all about defense

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[worldly sparrow]

and yet 80% of the playerbase uses glass cannon

or something close to it

[oblique geyser]

I feel like most people use warding though

[crude geode]

Cal discord will never escape the glass cannon mindset

[cobalt pewter]

clearly we should just nerf everything and make quick meta once again

no damage, no defense but mad ballin

[worldly sparrow]

yes please

[oblique geyser]

idk why quick buff was reverted

[drowsy plank]

god

[worldly sparrow]

quick meta when

[drowsy plank]

quick buff

[oblique geyser]

Also, am I the only one who thinks glove stacking shouldn't be removed?

[drowsy plank]

i dont care if you could outrun malice calbros you need to completely spec into it

glove stacking should be patched.

[deft yew]

the attempt to balance a game with five morbillion stacking buff elements and quirks is mostly a fruitless one

[oblique geyser]

It shouldn't

[cobalt pewter]

it should

[drowsy plank]

it really should

[oblique geyser]

they butchered melee speed enough

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, theres a reason re-logic only ever butchers the meta

[cobalt pewter]

yeah because melee speed SUCKS

[drowsy plank]

melee speed is a silly stat

[cobalt pewter]

let it die

[oblique geyser]

Let's kill ammo

[cobalt pewter]

oh yes please

I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE AGES

remove ammo dmg

[drowsy plank]

whenever people talk about universal usespeed bonuses we always clown on it but melee just has that in vanilla and no one bats an eye

[oblique geyser]

Killing melee speed makes melee = mage

😔

[worldly sparrow]

official news: ranger is dead

[deft yew]

remove ammo base damage (this will totally not cause a volcanic eruption when used with ANY other mod)

[cobalt pewter]

every class funnels back to ranged, except rogue because it's based

[rough harbor]

ok so. dumb idea, replace melee speed with general attack speed

[oblique geyser]

melee speed is the unique gimmick of melee

[drowsy plank]

that is literally the only reaosn it still exists fr

[cobalt pewter]

I mean mage

god DAMNIT

[cobalt pewter]

literally no

[worldly sparrow]

mage fires projectiles from staves sometimes

which is like ranged weapons

[oblique geyser]

well, one of two

[worldly sparrow]

actually a lot of mage is just projectiles

[deft yew]

does summoner?

do sentries especially?

[worldly sparrow]

summoner isnt ranged unless you really stretch it really far

[drowsy plank]

close range is the gimmick of melee we just need to tone down projectile damage
a lot of swords perform better when you hit with the blade so if we design around projectiles just patching up the damage for when you cant hit with the sword instead of being the primary damage that would be much better

[cobalt pewter]

melee speed is only fully functional on broadswords (literally the worst melee subclass please fuckin die), and cal put a bandaid for melee speed on other weapons

[deft yew]

shoutout to 1.4.4 terra line 💪

[oblique geyser]

Melee - Melee Speed, True Melee Strikes
Ranged - Ammo, Point Blank
Mage - Mana
Summoner - Minion Slots, Support Weapons
Rogue - Stealth

Melee speed works fine on spears

[worldly sparrow]

point blank barely affects 90% of ranged weapons which is the funny part

[oblique geyser]

see then you kill melee damage builds

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[drowsy plank]

yoyos when they get more. hangtime or distance or something

[crude geode]

Just like how mana affects like 10% of mage weapons

[oblique geyser]

no?

[worldly sparrow]

and then like 8% of the other 10% are broken at point-blank

[oblique geyser]

mana is the reason mage as a whole is the worst class

[worldly sparrow]

true

[crude geode]

I meant changes how you play with them

Byes

[worldly sparrow]

well specifically mana sickness

[crude geode]

Mana is inherently flawed

[worldly sparrow]

if i were to fix mana in any way i'd just make mana sickness a timer and make it so you cant use potions when sickness is active

also i'd remove mana flower

[cobalt pewter]

yeah pointblank is the same as melee speed (difference is that I don't immensely hate the subclasses pointblank is tied to, unlike melee speed)

[oblique geyser]

glove stacking is totally fine anyway

[cobalt pewter]

[drowsy plank]

not according to the devs lmao

[oblique geyser]

because the devs hate melee speed

[crude geode]

devs hate fun is what they hate /j

[oblique geyser]

melee speed is fun

[cobalt pewter]

honestly vanilla flails are so good I'd rather have them being melee's spotlight than broadswords

[oblique geyser]

being able to attack more often is more fun than just attack bigger number

[cobalt pewter]

unfortunate that they haven't bothered reworking vanilla flails

cal* flails

FUCK

I need to wake up properly

[oblique geyser]

sorry but vanilla flails suck

[deft yew]

??

[crude geode]

Ratio

[cobalt pewter]

literally copium take, unfortunately

[crude geode]

[oblique geyser]

they do

[worldly sparrow]

they sucked before 1.4 for sure

now they good

[oblique geyser]

they're flawed and they're only viable on anything because they have big number

[worldly sparrow]

like, you couldn't drop the flail on enemies or spin it around

[drowsy plank]

flow of pow is still pretty bad but that's just flow of pow being flow of pow

[oblique geyser]

I prefer weapons that aren't fundamentally flawed to use

[worldly sparrow]

you could only throw it

it was so bad

[cobalt pewter]

flower pow is silly yes

[oblique geyser]

1.3 flails sucked

but 1.4 flails are better but still bad

[cobalt pewter]

damn the amount of wyvern takes in this conversation is driving me nuts

[crude geode]

It’s pretty annoying

[oblique geyser]

Spinning it up is entirely cosmetic

[crude geode]

Like this essentially boils down to “I like dodging, therefore tanking is inherently flawed as a mechanic”

[oblique geyser]

Unless you're in true melee range but it's 60% of the damage

[oblique geyser]

Dodging the boss is more interesting than standing still yes

The game is already basically a boss rush so at least make the bosses interesting

[glass arch]

tanking exists for a reason.

just because you dont like it doesnt mean others cant use it

[crude geode]

I should clarify I’m not referring to face tanking cuz that’s dumb

But like

[oblique geyser]

I'm referring to specifically facetanking being killed entirely

And then defense being nerfed across the board but not too much

[drowsy plank]

tbf cal is definetly trying to
while also keep defensive options fun

[glass arch]

you cant easily kill facetank without killing tanking entirely

[drowsy plank]

just make defense damage more punishing

[frosty trellis]

If that were true why would I not feel all the power coursing through my veins as I realize I am fucking invincible against Exos

[glass arch]

facetanking is to tanking as nohit build is to a more damage focused build

[crude geode]

(MPG finally enters the convo about defense)

[frosty trellis]

Facetanking is a whole different can of worms

Tank builds in general can be used without face tanking and face tanking is never advised unless you know what the fuck you're doing

Tank Builds are actually far more overpowered if you actually dodge

[deft yew]

shoutout to prehardmode worm boss bodies not dealing it at all, or any damage at all, allowing every class to facetank them entirely

[wide river]

Doge

[deft yew]

[frosty trellis]

Facetanking only works because way too many things give a shit load of iframes for no fucking reason and defense damage is a terribly executed mechanic

Defense Damage as a concept is a nice way to make facetanking not cheese everything

[wide river]

(That's it that's the mandatory typo-pointing-out done)
(Now to continue not being in this conversation)

[glass arch]

unfortunately it regens way too fucking fast and iframe spam

[crude geode]

Same

[frosty trellis]

But due to weird iframe bullshit and the fact not everything deals defense damage, And the fact it's the same amount of defense damage regardless of build, makes the mechanic actually hurt glass cannon and balanced builds way more than tank ones

Tank builds don't care about defense damage while balanced builds are hampered by it severely, if you get chain hit

[glass arch]

^

[frosty trellis]

Defense damage needs a serious overhaul

Might make a suggestion about that later

[glass arch]

a good chunk of tank builds dont care about most on hit effects because of increased iframes being in literally every build that isnt a nohit one

or pre hardmode

[frosty trellis]

Iframe stacking needs to die immediately

It's literally unfair regardless of build

[drowsy plank]

you really should
i would but you know it better

[glass arch]

iframes in general just need to die

[frosty trellis]

Rampart allows you to run through Yharon's bhs and get hit maybe once while without rampart 2-3 hits if you don't try to dodge easy

[crude geode]

Are you high

[glass arch]

no imjacob

[north oracle]

please remove seraph iframes
and relpace them with something else that's not broken

[crude geode]

Have you seen terraria without iframes????

[glass arch]

(by that i meant iframes from accessories not every iframe

[crude geode]

Yeah that’s what mpg meant I’m fairly sure

[frosty trellis]

Yes

Iframe stacking

[crude geode]

Iframes period is a vastly different statement

[glass arch]

iframe stacking is horrid

[frosty trellis]

I am fine with one accessory having it but not 2 accessories and an armor like what the hell is this

[cobalt pewter]

https://youtu.be/vi3ihzi8geM?si=MJTKYCgNoCpr6APS

[crude geode]

Cross necklace being in good combination acc. Was a mistake

Yes there it is

The funny

[frosty trellis]

You can get 150 iframes from having Seraph Tracers, Rampart and Rogue Godslayer/Auric

That's 2 and a half fucking seconds of iframes

FOR PLAYING ROGUE

[glass arch]

deific amulet has 10 iframes
might not seem like much, but thats an extra sixth of a second from sticking on a single accessory

[frosty trellis]

And using zero downside on tier accessories

[glass arch]

and it only gets worse from there

[frosty trellis]

This isn't tank build shit this is absurd iframes in literally any rogue build ever

[cobalt pewter]

rampart is broken
rogue has way too much iframes effects

[drowsy plank]

look idc if cross necklace is in a good accessory
it's just the fact the upgrades have bigger durations and there are items other than cross necklace

it is so silly

[frosty trellis]

No it has 50 lmao
It has 10 more than Cross which is 40

[cobalt pewter]

tracers should never had the iframes to begin with

[glass arch]

oh bruh i gotta reword the wiki on that one

[crude geode]

If melee gloves and summon slot stacking had to go, so should Iframe stacking

[glass arch]

it makes it sound like it has 10 iframes instead of the 40+10

[cobalt pewter]

nerf the sources in general I think

like for Tarragon rogue, it should just be healing instead of iframes because why the fuck

give Tarragon rogue something like 50-70 healing per proccing the set bonus instead of 3s of iframes

even after nerfed Tarragon rogue is still way too strong

[crude geode]

It was an attempt to make tarragon rogue’s set bonus meaningful (it did not work in the intended way)

[wide river]

It directly inherits the effects of the Cross Necklace and Philosopher's Stone. It additionally grants 1 life regen and 10 extra immunity frames when struck for more than one damage and 5 when struck for one damage

[glass arch]

yes

but it doesnt tell you how much it has in total and the vanilla wiki doesnt say how many iframes cross necklace has either

[frosty trellis]

It's 40 base and then cross adds another 40

[crude geode]

So you gonna make that Sugg mpg

[oblique geyser]

I think defense should be nerfed across the board because it's too strong

[crude geode]

Actually would both of those count as #1042197406776827914 ?

[frosty trellis]

Yes
Just uh
Not RN since I need to eat lmao

[crude geode]

Food moment

[frosty trellis]

Across the board? No
Nerf the Obviously Way To Strong Shit? Yeah
Rampart needs it's iframes reduced and the frozen shield effect nerfed
Ambergris is broken. Just broken. Kill it
Flame-Licked needs to die it's too good of a benefit like 36 defense post 2 Mechs is absurd
Ursa Sergeant needs to be moved to post Mechs
Affliction needs an overhaul it's a broken ass stat stick with too many good defensive benefits

And ofc reaver tank lifesteal

[oblique geyser]

Nerf warding

[oblique geyser]

just remove ambergris ye

but overall defense is a broken stat because it stacks subtractively

[crude geode]

Ambegris technically needs to exist bc water arenas need it or something, and also bc expert accessory from levi and ana

[deft yew]

cal makes there no such thing as expert drops

[ripe owl]

water arenas

[deft yew]

why? how am i supposed to know

[worldly sparrow]

for the sake of consistency they still exist

in the devs minds

[oblique geyser]

hold on

I'm cooking

What if DR gets heavily nuked from most sources (either removed or heavily nerfed)

and then defense becomes more like hypixel skyblock defense

Where DR is

obviously the numbers would be different but it could make defense a bit less weird

[worldly sparrow]

that has a chance at working

[frosty trellis]

Hmmmm

Actually

Actually wait yeah that would be

Really good

Would also means if we killed most DR sources that we woudn't need the formula anymore bc there isn't enough sources for it to matter

And then yeah you don't just get a bunch of free DR still

Also means we can probably kill ADR as well

[crude geode]

There’s so many sources of dr in cal it’s absurd

[novel belfry]

uh, what do ya'll think about the 90 sec long dodge cooldown that STILL remains 90 secs even in post-Devourer of Gods accessories

i don't get it

like, why is the only dodge accessory that has a lower cooldown than this, Counter Scarf, (and yes Evasion before ya'll murder me), pre-Hardmode?

i get that the counter scarf is more skilled

but why does the Statis' Void Sash STILL HAVE THE 90 SEC COOLDOWN, despite it being a post-DoG item?

[drowsy plank]

yes

that makes total sense

[crude geode]

We’re not legally allowed to murder people in this chat (based)

[drowsy plank]

i am not being ironic

lmao

the scarfs are more of an outlier

im trying to remember how we previously wanted to try and change dodges

[crude geode]

In one of the like ten convos about it

[novel belfry]

No but I EXPECT the dodge cooldowns to go down as you progress through the game

[crude geode]

I think it was xpc wanting to change dodge cooldown with damage you dodged

[drowsy plank]

yeah

which got rejected

sad!

[crude geode]

sad!

I don’t even remember what the reason was

[novel belfry]

Should I honestly make a suggestion that asks for the dodge cooldowns of non-scarf accessories to slowly go down as you progress through the game instead of being ONLY 90 SECONDS

[crude geode]

Ask for dodges to be re-evaluated progression wise

Instead of that specific answer

cuz if you ask for that it’s more likely to get denied and we go nowhere with the discussion

[novel belfry]

Oh and i also forgot, a message from a few days ago when i was talking about this

and here's a bit of my unpopular opinions, i don't think the dodge cooldown should even be that high when goddamn Asgard's Valor and its upgrades can OUTRIGHT nullify any damage by ramming into enemies, basically making stuff like the Stasis Belt completely pointless

[cobalt pewter]

just sugg to reevaluate dodges in general yea

[crude geode]

Oh yeah that discussion as well

[novel belfry]

iframes my beloved

you literally just have to watch any Infernum DoG video to see why Asgard's Valor/Elysian Aegis completely nullify any reason to even use Statis belts or even any dodge

[cobalt pewter]

I was going to write a silly idea about how dodge cooldown could be conditionally raised to defense but it's a bit too specific and undercooked of an idea atm

(the idea is to lower down dodge cooldown across the board alongside that)

[crude geode]

There was a discussion on making rams more inherent to dashes

[novel belfry]

i remember when statis void belt was a rogue/summoner mixed accessory

[crude geode]

And making the difference between scarves/belts and shields be their defensive values (dodge or defense/regen/whatever)

Not sure if that idea went anywhere

[frosty trellis]

As someone who uses Statis's Void Sash religiously

Making it less would break it in 17 the dodge is already amazing as is lmao

Dodge cooldown is balanced around endgame because having a 60 second dodge on a 5-6 minute fight means you are taking about 6 less hits per battle While also keeping your adrenaline

[novel belfry]

Hmm, I can understand that

[crude geode]

Like I said

[frosty trellis]

Xpc tried that, rejected

[novel belfry]

counter scarf is rather interesting though, it's the only one with less seconds than 90 (30!), because you have to actually do something risky to get the dodge

[crude geode]

I though he only asked for this

[novel belfry]

the majority of dodges just occur whether you get hit

[wide river]

I think an inherent issue with dodge cooldowns is that because of the fact that lower-tier cooldowns exist, you can exploit those in the late-game to have significantly lower dodge cooldowns than you would with an on-tier accessory

[cobalt pewter]

actually that was my intended goal with tying dodge cooldowns of specific items with defense

no matter if you're a glass cannon or a tanker, your defense naturally evolves, and by tying this defense growth to dodge cooldowns, you can make these work just fine on tier while they naturally become irrelevant later on due to the increasingly inflated cooldown

also it would be naturally nerfed on defense-oriented builds in the first place

[oblique geyser]

Dodges just happen

Rams take skill

[novel belfry]

thats what im thinking

[worldly sparrow]

rams my beloved

[cobalt pewter]

I wouldn't say that it takes that much of a skill to have that much of gap in benefits

you literally just press a button (or direction buttons twice)

[novel belfry]

so maybe more counter scarf-esque dodges?

[novel belfry]

Dodge cooldowns: 90
the effective cooldown of rams: around a second or two

all to get no damage

plus all rams are also shields with some serious defenses so

[drowsy plank]

pressing a button is literally the further extent of skill expression in this game lmfao

like that's just how most terraria items work

[worldly sparrow]

and then when an item isnt just pressing a people freak out because its too complicated

[novel belfry]

i am a freak cause I don't press a button and just do direction buttons twice

[frosty trellis]

I absolutely fucking hate this argument

Because what the hell are you ramming against oh idk, SCal, or Ares, or Exo Twins, or Providence? I could go on

Like, that argument loses ground real quick when there are plenty of fights where ramming is either not required, rare, or just straight up doesn't fucking happen because of how the fight works

[novel belfry]

ouch

[frosty trellis]

Also reducing dodge cd means rams become more overpowered bc you have a backup way faster if you mistime your ram

[worldly sparrow]

rams are bad at a lot of bosses but are incredibly good at some

[frosty trellis]

BASED
AND
FUCKING
REAL

[worldly sparrow]

oh yeah same, i dont see a need for a hotkey

though like sometimes my hands slip and press the button twice by accident

[frosty trellis]

I've played terraria for too long I physically cannot rewire my brain

[worldly sparrow]

its annoying

[frosty trellis]

Which is weird bc i use shift in genshin byeah

[cobalt pewter]

such is Terraria

[regal willow]

[halcyon zealot]

[hybrid steeple]

[odd geyser]

🐱

[golden tulip]

i dont like the carpet effect either but i dont think config suggs are allowed

i mean i guess they are allowed they just never get through so basically theyre not allowed :lol:

wait you dont need a config for this nevermind me

just some other kind of toggle

(why is the carpet even a thing on auric armor are there actually people who like it)

[burnt beacon]

precisely lmao, i can maybe see how it could potentially be handy on exo mechs? maybe? but on scal it gets me hit way way more than it helps me. im not really sure how you could toggle it tbf tho, its not an accessory so you cant just have a visibility toggle like etherial talisman's mana flower for example. maybe seperate it into an auric flying carpet item that works from the inventory or in vanity slots, or maybe make 2 versions of the auric leggings or be able to right click the auric leggings to toggle the effect

[stable kiln]

i proposed a change for the auric carpet thing a while ago, if it ever ends up getting implemented (which i have no idea if it will) it wont be a part of auric armor, and it'll be a toggle

[tired haven]

I think that's especially ironic considering summoner. Class that requires you to weave movement to land hits instead of pressing a button is instantly labeled as unplayable and given a load of guaranteed to hit options, which only further played into "just dodge" bias

[novel belfry]

What if you just made the Auric Tesla “carpet” instead give hover mechanics to every wing

There, that’s your daily overdone’s schzio idea for the day

[golden sonnet]

That would be so incredibly broken

Like, almost as broken as soaring insignia, maybe even more

To be fair it doesn't work on SCal, one of the 2 bosses at that tier, but it still makes exo mechs and boss rush even more of a joke

[drowsy plank]

carpet will die we just need to wait

[hollow shell]

don't count on it

[lucid flare]

first it was psycho amulet, then frost barrier, and then flying carpet....?
maybe one day i'll live to see auric tesla armor be unique...? who knows

regarding frost barrier though - hey i finally got what i wanted

[stable kiln]

i never do but id like to

[golden tulip]

we'll probably see it during the famed auric armor rework

[ashen warren]

Cal only has one menu style no? The rest are added by VCMM

[neon tree]

Tf is VCMM

[grim tusk]

Yes

[neon tree]

I've got so many Calamity QOL mods I can't even tell which is base Calamity atp

[grim tusk]

Vanilla Calamity Mod Music

[neon tree]

Damnit

[willow rose]

the only base calamity one is the "calamity style" i think its called

[grim tusk]

Anyways this is a specific item suggestion

[willow rose]

the rest are from the addon

[neon tree]

Uh huh I kinda was already told that

[ashen warren]

Yeah Calamity has only one menu screen, any others you see are from addons

[willow rose]

ye

[neon tree]

You just said that

[willow rose]

but your suggestion could work

maybe instead of specifying it

[grim tusk]

Just dont make it specific ^

[willow rose]

make it as "A new theme"

and provice some ideas ig

[neon tree]

Why can't I make it specific?

I've only ever been told to make it specific

It gives a solid reason to do so

[sleek turret]

maybe the yharim mousepad theme would be pretty cool as a menu theme

[willow rose]

specific but not every detail

[sleek turret]

or the sunken sea one

[deft yew]

My art senses are tingling…

[ashen warren]

Read the doc pinned in #suggestions-voting

[neon tree]

Maybe it could be like, old Void themed or something

Idfk

[willow rose]

just say "A New Title Theme" and then say that the game requires a new title theme and that this one could be darker to contract the first one which is bright

which could help with eye strain

[neon tree]

Ok

[willow rose]

if you really want to suggest

[grim tusk]

There will probably be new themes in the future

[willow rose]

new themes are always cool

the infernum was a surprise but epic and the other three are good too

[neon tree]

Done

[willow rose]

so seeing more official ones sounds great

[neon tree]

Yeah, I read it.

[sleek turret]

ok 👍

[willow rose]

u still gotta remove this bit i think

[neon tree]

I had the Omori title theme over it so it made it so much better too

[grim tusk]

@zenith hazel could you remove reactions on latest sugg

[neon tree]

Dude did you even read the new one I posted?

[grim tusk]

Your discord has not updated

[willow rose]

oh

[zenith hazel]

there

[willow rose]

yep

discord issue

[fickle flume]

Can someone help me with this issue im having with my calamity world

[grim tusk]

#1052323733961977947

If you have infernum #1137461894962233364 instead

[hollow shell]

This title suggestion seems
quite weak

Even if we had a darker title screen, wouldn't you still get subjected to bright colors as soon as you joined a world and saw the daylight sky?

[neon tree]

Yeah but that's not as flashbangy as the title screen if that makes sense

[drowsy plank]

calamity dark mode

lmao

im gonna be honest the actual cal title screen is pretty dim already

[drowsy plank]

also this doesnt make sense; the relogic logo already is super bright regardless of the theme, the tmod loading screen will still have the default terraria sky loading screen and there is absolutely nothing we can do about that, and once you reach the actual game screen you'd need to enable calamity and then also switch to the theme, and sure, it would persist after you set it to that, but it doesn't change the fact that the previous two loading screens are still very bright and we have absolutely no control over that

the suggestion in its current form just feels very pointless

plus like rover said then you just have to deal with the game itself doing the same thing when you spawn in lmao

[wide river]

The Re-Logic jumpscare cannot be avoided

[neon tree]

Jesus chriet bro wanted to make a book over a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

im giving feedback

that's the point of this channel

i was going to exclaim it for lacking reasoning so i need to be thorough

if you can improve it with more of a reason why cal needs a second title screen i can remove the hold, but if im going to block it from voting, i gotta explain to you why

[hollow ridge]

This sugg has no reasoning

[glass arch]

the message was added for a reason

as they said

it can be removed via config

[cobalt pewter]

kinda weirdge to state that the config exists only to disregard it in the sugg

[drowsy plank]

@visual sedge if you know it can already be disabled in the config menu, and it's bothering you, just use the config...? there's no reason for cal to remove or make it only appear once, because it only takes moderating this server for a day to figure out that it is VERY MUCH still needed, and we... added the config to fix any issue you might be having with it anyway so...?

[cobalt pewter]

no, fandom will never be real, grow up

[glass arch]

hell the message needs to be even clearer (or on a delay from when you join the world) bc iirc the ore excavator one overtakes it

[visual sedge]

For some reason mods started spamming walls of text to chat after update to 1.4, which is kind of annoying

[visual sedge]

This is understandable though

[cobalt pewter]

also the font color should be changed imo, in context of spawning in a fresh world, most of the time the text won't even be visible as they're overlayed on the ground

[cobalt pewter]

#1052323733961977947 might be more appropriate in that case then

[wide river]

Make it purple like boss summon messages

[glass arch]

no thats just ore excavators wall of text

[cobalt pewter]

oh is it bugged?

[glass arch]

no

[drowsy plank]

dw we also hate what ore excavator is doing

not bugged

it is very much intentional design by them

idk why

[wide river]

Magic Storage has one too now from what I remember, ever since that dependency got added

[glass arch]

its just a fuckin massive text wall

[glass arch]

i dont think its as big as oe

[frail mantle]

when do mods start posting the entirety of the lord of the rings in chat upon joining a world

[glass arch]

🏴‍☠️

[wide river]

I would pay for a mod like this
Almost unironically

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure that would crash the game

but one that just posts the whole book

line by line

during a playthrough

would be pretty funny tbh

[wide river]

With at least 5 second delay between every line
And if you leave the world it starts from the beginning

To get the entire thing you must leave the game running for actual weeks

[cobalt pewter]

or the Star Wars intro text

line per line

also while playing the theme

[frail mantle]

1.5 changelog text crawl

[wide river]

Make it separate from the chatlog and have it play in the middle of your screen for the bext experience

[royal tapir]

TRUE

[stable kiln]

@bright crag your time to shine

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/summoned-gif-21949657

It shall be done

[oblique geyser]

Is this gonna be your dev item tooltip

[bright crag]

Perhaps

(No, of course not)

[lucid marsh]

Should more of the set bonuses use double tap down to activate? I think they should

I'm running out of keys to bind stuff to

[wide river]

How are you running out of keys?
Calamity adds 15 keybinds by itself, but there's almost no way you'd have all of them available at the same time

Actually no
There's physically no way to have all of them available at the same time without external mods

[golden tulip]

to be fair there is an exessive amount of keybinds

[wide river]

You could bind stuff to the same key, but that adds confusion with activating them

[golden tulip]

yea

how did the luxors sugg get to voting. that is a horrible idea

[wide river]

It was apparently said that it was just not SIS enough to pass through

[golden tulip]

even then it is a horrible idea but i guess that doesnt hold enough ground to be invalidated

[grim tusk]

Its likely gonna be insta rejected

Venerated Locket is enough of a problem already lol

And as I said: If the problem is that the minion is sluggish and inconsistent; just buff the minion?

[golden tulip]

that would work but i also just want luxors to be reowrked

[buoyant idol]

I think Cryogen should have an effect such as a small blue ripple akin to that of the Gauss Nuke, would that work out?

[north oracle]

Yeah, that’s what I figured… shame though, their reasoning for why it should be changed wasn’t awful. They just then wrote an SIS

[fossil finch]

any new title theme should just be pitch black with occasional flashes of the entire calamity lore

[worldly sparrow]

damn all 100 pages dropped at once?

[fossil finch]

yes

[buoyant idol]

Just make the title theme bright white and the bg music is one of those ear damaging sounds

[livid coral]

vine boom

[serene tendon]

Every boss you kill, you get to read a chapter or two of LOTR

[drowsy plank]

incredible

[pine star]

how many chapters does LotR have?

[glass arch]

first book has 24

or no 22

[serene tendon]

So it would have to be multiple, even for Calamity

[buoyant idol]

Just divide the words by 22 and give each section to a boss, the remainder goes to the last boss killed.

[cobalt pewter]

right clicking distress beacon could be nice for this purpose

favoriting is a thing of the past

since vanilla uses right click to toggle inventory items

[thick coyote]

Will do fine, Im just tired of kicking Martians after each Zerging sesssion

[cobalt pewter]

fine enough yes

[sleek turret]

very good sugg

also i really like the journey mode completion progress sugg that is in voting

[hollow shell]

Fuck I wish I gave the auric carpet sugg the same rundown I gave the miracle blight sugg

[glass arch]

i like the sugg

(i have a hate/hate relationship with auric carpet)

[fervent orbit]

just do a fargo souls and give a keybind for literally everything

[glass arch]

i will kill you

[drowsy plank]

keybinds moving the mouse by 1 px

[buoyant idol]

The upcoming Stress Ball is keybinding it to nothing

[hollow shell]

unironically useful for some games like Bloons TD6

[rugged juniper]

Should i re sugg

[rugged juniper]

Change Elemental Axe's summons to be stationary when idle

Elemental Axe is a post-Moon Lord summon weapon that summons powerful axes to fight for the player.

These axes normally fly and flail around the player when they're idle. But this combined with the flashy, colorful effects of the summoned axes :

• Makes it hard to count how many minions you have

• Can confuse the player while building

• Makes it hard to read the attacks of certain bosses that become invulnerable in certain attacks (Example: Providence, Ceaseless Void)

• Generally creates visual pollution and strains the eyes

And so for these reasons i suggest we change the summons of the Elemental Axe to be stationary when they're idle (a.k.a when not attacking).

Also stationary sword-like summons or summon weapons that summon middle-age themed weapons are common both in vanilla Terraria and Terraria calamity mod (Example: Blade Staff, Terraprisma, Dazzling Stabber Staff, Virid Vanguard, Mirror of Kalandra) so i believe making Elemental Axe's summons stationary would fit this theme more.

[sand marlin]

If it's died out I think yeah

[scenic pine]

#suggestions-voting message

I second this

Please vote for this

[hollow shell]

:\

Let it get votes naturally

[fervent orbit]

me when the "Please do not advertise your suggestion or complain about its star amount, these channels are meant to gauge public reaction passively. Feel free to repost in a weeks time if you feel timing was the issue."

[rugged juniper]

🤓

[rugged juniper]

fr

[novel belfry]

eh, there's an opportunity here to rework both of these

plus the minion (and the old sprite) looks cool

i feel like both weapons are horribly uninteresting

[grim tusk]

DevPlans.png will strike

[deft yew]

Looks should never be a reason to keep something

[glass arch]

even if you could rework it its still ultimately a crimson variant of a tier of item that isnt even corruption themed

[novel belfry]

oyeah, apparently the reason why is because Crashsaw Crusher's claw thing is also swung

although im pretty sure NOBODY does that

[hollow shell]

@robust cloak Pretty sure the reasoning is that you're using the glove to throw the axes

Like these
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Ale_Tosser
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Mad_Alchemist's_Cocktail_Glove

[buoyant idol]

Problem, those two either use ammo or have an ingredient that shows said item.

[novel belfry]

i meant to say that the swing of the Crashsaw claw actually DOES DAMAGE

[fervent orbit]

just make crashsaw change the appearence of the users hand while held

[novel belfry]

which is still weird because the only two other rogue weapons that are like melees are
1 - A cane that can be used to make free money
2 - Dan Yami's epic donator scythe that he coded himself. Yeah, he coded his own donator item!

[buoyant idol]

Final dawn is honestly amazing, time to add that to the list of reasons why it’s good.

[robust cloak]

Ah

[grim tusk]

That doesnt happen

(Or well yet at least if I go that path when reworking the item)

[ripe owl]

I think this deserves and exclamation

Wait shit that's not it

[fervent orbit]

its not poor quality

its just a resprite on something that lacks sense

[ripe owl]

Yeah yeah

But even then it asks for a redesign which is

Idk

[fervent orbit]

actually its not even a resprite

its just a change of sprite

[sand marlin]

It's a retheming of the sprite isn't it

[fleet flume]

I don't quite understand the suggestion. It's just a single incoherent sentence. From what I understand it's about the claws shooting axes instead of who-knows-what.

Plus the format is wrong on the header.

[sand marlin]

Format isn't wrong, it just needs a clearer title and some more reasoning

From what I see it's just asking for the thrown projectile to fit the weapon

[fleet flume]

Yeah. I think it should have an exclamation mark. I get that suggestions aren't supposed to be specific, but they should give it some clarity.

[sand marlin]

Oh for sure as it is rn it's never making it in

[fleet flume]

It doesn't technically break the rules, but it goes near a line for me.

(For me it crosses it actually, and that's probably the same for most other people, so it won't be voted for sure.)

This is a pointless discussion though and we probably shouldn't dwell on this suggestion.

[cobalt pewter]

pick power scaling tbh

while slower, DCU provides omnidirectional control (and wall clearing) which doesn't exist on onyx drill

[wide river]

I was a bit concerned that if I made the suggestion just about making it scale that it might lean too much into the scaling items Don't

So I left it as merely an option, with another potentially less-rule-breaking option there as well

[cobalt pewter]

fair

also turtles' scaling sucks so bad

it stops post 1 mech (iirc)

I wanna use my tutels to erase the world god DAMNIT

[wide river]

Yea

160% pickaxe power is their cap

[cobalt pewter]

"wulfrum is cheap early game stuff it shouldn't be viable till late game!!!!"

shut your blabbermouth I wanna raid the world with my beloved turtles

[golden tulip]

agreed i would like the 2nd option

[glass arch]

wulfrum acrobat pack
glorious end
fastest movement tech in the game

[coral carbon]

#suggestions-posting message isnt something similar to this planned

or am I just remembering incorrectly

[worldly sparrow]

it is similar to what is planned

elemental line will eventually die and the weapons will be rethemed/reworked

so will night's and terra

[hollow shell]

™️

[coral carbon]

soon™️

[flint notch]

Elemental…

[dense ferry]

My brother in Christ

You don't just suggest "rework 10 weapons please"

[coral carbon]

new suggestion: rework 10 weapons please

[dense ferry]

Honestly I'm just going to flag this one

[hollow shell]

mmm

idk

[dense ferry]

It goes into details as to how they should be reworked too, it's planned™️ and too much fucking effort

[hollow shell]

It's a larger suggestion but I don't think it's so large that it warrants falling under Extreme Effort Don't
That Don't is meant for like, reworking an entire class or significantly altering a progression stage

[worldly sparrow]

it is proposing to rework all the elemental weapons :/

[dense ferry]

Yeah, it's not a "lmao rebalance the entire fucking game" but the effort paired with the slight SIS and the fact that it's already sorta planned kind of put the nail on the coffin

[hollow shell]

Is it already planned

[worldly sparrow]

which is high effort

i wouldn't say extreme but high

[dense ferry]

I'd say so? Nothing concrete but changing Elemental weapons has been a goal for a while now afaik

[worldly sparrow]

90% sure death of elemental line is planned eventually™️

and for the weapons to be rethemed/reworked

[hollow shell]

Okay so it falls into the same category as every other item in the mod

[drowsy plank]

we could prolly just wait and 🛠️ it then

[dense ferry]

True

But yeah my main problem is how it barely treads the line of SIS

It's literally almost just saying "do this with the weapon please"

[hollow shell]

Not even joking about that really
Using "it's already planned" isn't a good argument when so so many things are on the dev's vague checklist of "we should get to this at some point"

[dense ferry]

I'm tempted to call Shade here to decide this

[fervent orbit]

as one who has reread donts alot recently, the best course of action is just to wait and 🛠️ this imo

[coral carbon]

what a wise piece of advice :3

[deft yew]

if everything is planned but nothing is known, why make any suggestions

[hollow shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497603988032847873/1078199492471435274/noddingknight_nod_knight_hk.gif

[crude geode]

[wide river]

For the exhilarating feeling of randomly guessing what's on devplans.png, clearly

[crude geode]

Sugg battleship moment

[hollow shell]

(I do think the suggester is totally on track with the weapons' theming having almost nothing to do with their functionality)

(with the important exception of Elemental Ray, that is by far the best example of the weapon set using the theme as part of the function, even more so than Ark)

[fervent orbit]

its a good arguement when used for "should i make a sugg on x" but not when someone has alr typed out the majority/sent their sugg

[deft yew]

ark doesn't use the theme tbh

[hollow shell]

Ark gets a pass cuz it's fucking sick

[deft yew]

ray very much does, but it's kinda functionally redundant

[flint notch]

Ark of the devious amount of tomfoolery

[deft yew]

it is still at its core a point and click weapon

[north oracle]

ark could just... not be "Elements"

[hollow shell]

byeah there's not much strategizing you can do with Ray's various different, rays

[north oracle]

and it would be totally fine

[fervent orbit]

maybe instead of cycling rays automatically, u can choose one specific ray and the different rays are unique in some way

[deft yew]

pull an ada accelerator and make only one ray fired at a time but each buffs the effects of the next

[hollow shell]

Its arc-word could be changed from "Elemental" to like
"Celestial", as that's the typical name used for the pillars which its deriving from

or if it wants to be distinct from the pillar weps themselves then it could get a unique term like
"Pillarforged"

[deft yew]

what kind of a name is pillarforged

[drowsy plank]

pillarforged sounds cool

[fervent orbit]

pillarforged just sounds like its pre ml

[hollow shell]

cuz yeah the suggestion is operating under the assumption that "Elemental" means like
the typical fantasy Avatar definition of Earth Wind Fire and Water

when it isn't
It's Terraria's four space fragments

[drowsy plank]

this is very funny when

heart of the elementals is right there

truly one of the most cohesive tiers of themeing ever

[small timber]

I think one of the main problem with the suggestion is that the suggested example still have nothing to do with elemental theme

[deft yew]

what is? what's heart of the elements? never heard of such a thing

[small timber]

Which basically make it just "rework into my example idea because I feel my idea is more unique"

[drowsy plank]

dont forget the rest of the elemental accessories being post DoG too

it really is just a shitshow going on there xd

[deft yew]

[hollow shell]

Yeah to make matters confusing
It uses the Celestial Elemental palette for its item, but summons worldly elementals

[fervent orbit]

elemental is just an overused theme rn

[wide river]

"Elemental" when the term literally doesn't apply to a single tier of items

[worldly sparrow]

dont forget the elemental gauntlet and quiver

[fervent orbit]

isnt ele accs getting renamed

[hollow shell]

he didn't :P

I hope so

[wide river]

A suggestion passed recently regarding that yes

[deft yew]

name any theme in terraria and chances are cal overuses it

[fervent orbit]

🐌

[coral carbon]

2 years ago:

[wide river]

It was accepted and is likely in 👍 hell

[fervent orbit]

like pick one? u cant just be elementals the beings, elementals the fragments and elementals the distortion mats

[coral carbon]

awe... but can I be elemental :3333

[worldly sparrow]

it just dawned on me that the list of things that will probably be implemented eventually™️ is like 100% colossal

[drowsy plank]

replace elemental tier's themeing with stratus

[wide river]

Mhm April of this year do be 2 years ago
#suggestions-discussion message

[worldly sparrow]

(it takes a lot of things to have suggs in approval hell for this long)

[fervent orbit]

cuteness elemental

[coral carbon]

well i didnt exist until august 7th

[coral carbon]

awawawwaaw tysmsmmsmsm... :333333 <3333

[fervent orbit]

holy shit you havent existed for a year yet

[worldly sparrow]

the duality of man

[fervent orbit]

and you know english

[hollow shell]

alright so
@alpine dawn A few things

You should probably de-emphasize your specific examples, as we are pretty heavily averse to users suggesting specific ideas for how to execute something. If you wanna keep examples then you should condense em all into just one sentence.
And
The "Elemental" theming of the weapons doesn't refer to the usual Avatar elements of Fire and Earth and such. It refers to Terraria's four celestial pillars, i.e. Stardust and Vortex and such. Elemental Ray is the best example of using this theme as part of the weaponry.
You're totally correct that the rest of the weapons have really indistinct functions that have nothing to do with their theme, but you should probably change your proposed direction for them a bit.

[coral carbon]

me replying to anyone else vs me replying to noob

[worldly sparrow]

rover critique W

[hollow shell]

(something's functionality having almost nothing to do with the theme, beyond a color difference and debuff infliction, is actually a problem that plagues a lot of Calamity, even some bosses)

[wide river]

Meld

[hollow shell]

(A lot of the really old Calamity content falls into this.
Generally the developers have gotten more creative with time and modding technology has gotten better with time, so newer content "cares" more about functioning more like its theme suggests it should)