suggestions-discussion

[kindred summit]

raddddd

now I have 4 different whips and 2 non summoner weapons and a slime gun

[stable kiln]

it just inflicts gelled

which makes fire do more damage

[kindred summit]

just wondering, by how much, I know that oiled does +25 on any fire but I can't find info about gelled or is it the same as oiled? (probably cause no one is really gonna care about +25 dps)

[modern rapids]

slimed doubles fire debuff damage

[kindred summit]

oh really? damn

[sand marlin]

Fun fact

Megalodon inflicts Wet

It doubles electrified DoT, which has practically no use in that scenario outside of Tesla potion.
I thought it would also reduce heat DoT but there's no mention of that in the wiki so thankfully it's not counterproductive at the stage it's in

[worldly sparrow]

yes, i agree with this

though theres like, no reason to un-exhume something

[sand marlin]

Yeah that

Is exactly what I was thinking

[worldly sparrow]

besides if you don't like self-damaging weapons maybe?

[sand marlin]

They have no other use by that point so does it really matter

[golden tulip]

maybe you dont like the exhume and want your old weapon back

[sand marlin]

Again, that old weapon is very much outclassed by several tiers

So it doesn't really have a use

Staff of the Mechworm is pretty good actually

Nvm

[golden tulip]

still

[sand marlin]

That's one thing

[arctic barn]

or you just want the staff of mechworm for apotheosis if ur lazy to grind dog

[sand marlin]

What?

[golden tulip]

i feel like just having the option to get your weapon back that is not the recrafting the entire line up to endgame would be good

[sand marlin]

OH

[coral carbon]

post Scal DoG shouldn't really be difficult to kill...?

[sand marlin]

I looked at the wiki and like, it looked pretty weird for a second then I scrolled down

Ah yes

(It's below the gif

[coral carbon]

brug

[arctic barn]

if you exhumed the staff of mechworm into metastasis, then you can "un-exhume" it back to craft the apotheosis if you are too lazy to fight dog

maybe for ppl who have massive skill issue ig

[sand marlin]

No yeah I get that you can easily get mechworm back for Apotheosis(even if it's bad) byeah wiki looked real weird so I was confused

[arctic barn]

some ppl use bad and obscure weapons

[sand marlin]

Well they aren't required, you can just use whatever's at your disposal as well but for this case I think it's better to have in be unexhumable

• as Hobbit said DoG isn't hard to kill post SCal

[wide river]

There's a mod that opens MGR:R when you die so that's not entirely out of the question

[drowsy plank]

shared deus HP bar also opens the door for comprehensive attack patterns where they use each others attacks in synergy instead of

SpamMines.jpg

[small timber]

Imo is something like ground/flying AI still, but ground is invincible and cant fire projectile, flying is spam proj and mines

And the ground one actively chase after the player aggressively while the flying one always avoid hitting the player with contact by staying a fixed distance from the player

Until AI change of course where they swap what they do

[deft yew]

Artemis and Apollo:

[drowsy plank]

idk what the implication was here but yeah id prefer they be more like what exo twins is trying to do
i dont mind if they make it hard still tho, because much like sprime exo twins was prolly overnerfed

[fervent orbit]

i think its that they attack in "synergy"

[crude geode]

Clearly the clone should just be invincible

[golden tulip]

seems like an oversight so agreed

[pine star]

iirc yoyos do get affected by melee speed

more melee speed means longer yoyo string

[buoyant idol]

@oblique geyser you accidentally spelt rewired as rewirjed

[fervent orbit]

minor spelling mistake

suggestion denied

[wide river]

[oblique geyser]

No I don't think

[pine star]

oh

today I learned

[oblique geyser]

They maybe get longer string but that's for melee speed

Not usetime

[novel belfry]

i want legendary exoblade and legendary ark of the elements and legendar biome blade

[pine star]

i.e.
all the custom swing animation swords

[sand marlin]

Modifiers apply directly to useTime not like melee speed ye

[tired haven]

Admittedly I'm not sure what purpose does allowing legendary serve if it's identical to godly on just about everything that can't get legendary normally

Outside of breaking unique cases like vampire knives

(well, breaking is a loudmouth term, it just gets firerate improved from 16 usetime being reduced to 14)

[buoyant idol]

I think it's more so that it'd be consistent with other melee items, not to mention size bonuses.

[oblique geyser]

spears and flails and such are affected by usetime reduction

[tired haven]

Well, the issue is, they were balanced without it in mind

So now you'd need to token nerf flails and spears by 10%... except not spears because their piercing means you don't directly upgrade damage from faster usage, unless they shoot projectiles, et cetera

A lot of changes for a non-change

[oblique geyser]

does this apply to shortswords too

[tired haven]

No clue about that because this subclass is unfortunately neglected by both parties
1.4 made them essentially act like spears

[brazen minnow]

@bright crag @fervent orbit @fervent orbit @fervent orbit @[e-mail] @kaizo.uy @buoyant idol @worldly sparrow @rainyafternoon olligoci#0000 @lilac_vrt_olligoci#0000

[worldly sparrow]

ayy lets go this guy snitched on himself

[north oracle]

...is there a reason you pinged 4 different people and failed to ping 5 others?

[lavish condor]

and pinged noob 3 times

[north oracle]

ture

[worldly sparrow]

yeah what did noob do to you

[odd geyser]

A man who wants chaos and only chaos

[brazen minnow]

I realized tapping names links a username

[odd geyser]

A calamity you could say

[lavish condor]

should change his pfp to jevil

[worldly sparrow]

no no

berdly suits a dumbass

[undone cedar]

Hi

[lavish condor]

fair enough

[undone cedar]

Please refrain from doing things like this

[brazen minnow]

Ok

[fervent orbit]

fuck off

[karmic stone]

Move on

[brazen minnow]

That was a mistake

@brazen minnow

[worn lily]

Hi

I'm @brazen minnow 's alternative account

[odd geyser]

Prepare thyself

[brazen minnow]

Ok

@worn lily is right

[north oracle]

...this really isn't what this channel is for lmao

[odd geyser]

And I am about to show speed, now go somewhere else

[brazen minnow]

Well the staff had issues with this so I had to prove it

[dense ferry]

@brazen minnow @worn lily We've already told you to stop.

[small timber]

I am almost certain astrum deus dont "swap place", they just swap their AI

Which is relevant because it means you are damaging the same worm if you keep attacking the same one

[coral carbon]

yeah they don't "switch place"

[crude geode]

@carmine kraken see above

[drowsy plank]

should i flag this?

i wouldnt mind deus getting an animation for the color transitions but

yeah that is just objectively not true

[carmine kraken]

I’m not a coder 💀

My b

[drowsy plank]

so are you going to
fix the language in the suggestion or

[carmine kraken]

In a bit

[drowsy plank]

alright, ping me when you do and i can remove the flag

[carmine kraken]

@drowsy plank I did 🥶

[drowsy plank]

that works

[carmine kraken]

👌

[fleet flume]

What about a thing where particles travel between the two worms and then when they reach each segment they change color?

[crude geode]

That sounds like an easy way to confuse players on what counts as damage

[fleet flume]

Wait the color changing is dependant on damage?

I thought it was on a timer

[crude geode]

No the particles could easily be interpreted as damage if this were to be implemented

[fleet flume]

I suppose they could also be seen as projectiles. Maybe they could even be projectiles

Perhaps those spiraly laser beams

[ashen warren]

Very minor suggestion can the developers make the Sandcastle Bucket compatible with Sulphurous Sand

[sleek turret]

and also the sunken sea sand

[drifting chasm]

Do any of the devs have any opinion of the Ravager boss fight? because currently, in my opinion, it is a but projectile spammy. it is imo the weakest boss fight of the mod, all the others i enjoyed but this one left a bad taste in my mouth

i feel like just removing either the homing fists, or the blue flames would make the fight more enjoyable

[undone holly]

ravages is going to be moved to post-provi soon, and I presume remaking much of the fight in the process

[bright crag]

^

[buoyant idol]

Seems a ton of things are being moved to post providence such as sand shark. Hopefully it doesn’t become post golem number 2.

[cobalt pewter]

gss will be moved there?

que?

I guess time to remember to sugg a shimmer change between light and dark shards once that change goes thru

[crude geode]

Post plant is already a mess anyways

Moving shit out of there is appreciated, as well as post golem

[cobalt pewter]

actually I wonder if there's shimmer qol mod yet

been thinking of that since shimmer randomly progression lock some transformations

[regal willow]

Randomly?

[cobalt pewter]

I was thinking "why not take boss map icons, give them low opacity and some pink shade, then pop them out if a transformation cannot happen before that boss"

[cobalt pewter]

randomly as in no indication of whether the transformation can happen

[crude geode]

I think I remember either a texture pack or mod for “is this shimmerable”

[cobalt pewter]

so if you dropped RoD into shimmer pre ML, it'll do the exact same thing, with the sole addition of the altered ML map icon from where RoD was dropped

[crude geode]

But not exactly the same thing

[cobalt pewter]

I was waiting for anyone to mod it for a good while since 1.4.4 port, so I'm just gonna wait for now

but if no mods satisfy me in that regard, I might bruteforce that kinda thing myself

anyways, WILDLY off topic I spose

[crude geode]

People have given up on terraria ever not being a wiki game

[cobalt pewter]

I'm curious if post provi will be another post plant if a lot of the big stuff are moved there

[crude geode]

It’ll be hard to top post plant with the stigma around golem not being a boss and whatnot

[sleek turret]

yeah it's a mod and it also tells you the product the shimmering process gives

[cobalt pewter]

though I think post provi deserved a bit more being bigger than life, since she's a goddess, unlike

a plant

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

interesting, might check that out

[crude geode]

Post provi technically also already has 3 bosses it just is rarely considered 3

[drifting chasm]

what do you mean

oh are you talking about the exo mechs

[drowsy plank]

what

no the """sentinels"""

[ripe owl]

Nuh-uh, too specific

[hollow ridge]

@astral python

From the dont doc in the pins

[astral python]

Oh shoot. Let me check it out, my bad

[worldly sparrow]

dammit im late

yeah its a sis

[astral python]

It is misplaced. It isn’t a new item, but a balance change for an existing item. I am reading the doc to figure out where it should go

[worldly sparrow]

a balance change?

go to #1042197406776827914

but also the sugg is too specific

the devs need some room to change something if the something doesn't work

[astral python]

Right. I hope to not come off as saying what should/shouldn’t. I can come up with more ideas. I just like the unique theme of the Cnidarian and don’t want to get rid of it

[hollow ridge]

That isn't a Balance change

[astral python]

Oh?

[hollow ridge]

That would be tweaking the damage

And the like

[astral python]

So… a balance change

Or I define balance differently from you

[hollow ridge]

Refer to this probably

#suggestions-discussion message

[astral python]

👍

According to the what is said there, it does seem like my request is a balance request for the Cnidarian.
My issue of focus is the Cnidarian’s damage. The amount of damage it does is great, but only when tested on a dummy when you don’t have to move the Cnidarian

Without sacrificing the fishing pole w/ jellyfish theme, I tried to come up with a way that the Cnidarian could become more than just a collectors item in a run.

[drifting chasm]

could it be maybe be considered that the Grax and Tectonic Truncator axes have their axe power swapped? currently the Grax sits at 180% while the Truncator is at 190% which doesn't really make sense, since the Grax is made out of uelibloom while the latter is made of Scoria, a much earlier acquired ore.

[worldly sparrow]

the cnidrarian's damage is actually relatively balanced

it's not too too far from where the ideal weapon would be

[hollow ridge]

BTW it's a support weapon

And it's A tier

[worldly sparrow]

it's also a summoner weapon

[hollow ridge]

Meaning

[worldly sparrow]

so you know it wont be balanced for like, months

[astral python]

My experience fighting bosses says it isn’t A-Tier

DPS on a dummy is not representative of actual performance, I will say that much

Or I am not using the weapon right

[hollow ridge]

Don't do dummy tests

On average

Cnid contributes to 40% of a weapons damage

Until it isn't viable

Ofc

But

If you want

Feel free to redo these tests

Do on tier bosses

And record the kill times

And make sure to include ur mains weapons kill time

And use the damage calculator mod to see how much it contribed

Lemme link it

[astral python]

Bah, the hassle. I may get around to it

[hollow ridge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2986919931

[hollow ridge]

Kinda expected that

But yeah

It's not in a bad place damage wise

[astral python]

I still disagree. But perhaps I am using the weapon wrong

[hollow ridge]

How do you use the weapon

[astral python]

Hold and swing, seemingly as intended. But, if deactivate and reactivate to reset swing motion, I suppose it would be more viable an option.

The deactivate/reactivate just seems like not the way the weapon was intended to be used, ya know?

[hollow ridge]

Ask a dev ig

first try

[worldly sparrow]

ok this sugg

[wide river]

@keen hedge This is such a SIS

[worldly sparrow]

that

and no bosses will be added until yharim

[wide river]

Please read the Suggestion Don'ts doc before making suggestions

[worldly sparrow]

and no bosses even after yharim update will be before yharim

[keen hedge]

Oh mb

Im sorry

Ima be honest i didnt know and yeah i shouldve looked there

@wide river thanks for letting me know though

[undone cedar]

Yeah theres rules to suggestions

Make sure to check pins and all that

[keen hedge]

Will do next tome

Bruh

Time

[drowsy plank]

bro's spittin

surely the sunken sea rework will fix

whatever the fuck is going on with early game water themed weapons

[worldly sparrow]

true

[small timber]

Ah right

What happened to the stardust rename suggestion

[worldly sparrow]

approvement hell

[wide river]

👍

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

(The mark of suggestion limbo)

[small timber]

👍

[drowsy plank]

someone cover robot hell but it is development hell

[small timber]

Phase 3 polterghast enrage with predictive vertical shotgun blast charge soon™️

[halcyon zealot]

😭

[drowsy plank]

also the clone will still be killable

[small timber]

Just make the clone has as much hp as polterghast remaining hp when P3 start and with less defensive stat but main polterghast take half damage when clone is alive

[coral carbon]

#suggestions-posting message just me, the exo-mechs, and my 20 eye of cthulhu spawners

[drowsy plank]

20 spawners?

they're non consumable

[coral carbon]

shit

i've been exposed as a fraud

[bold wave]

As I said, some measures might need to be taken in order to prevent exploitation

[wide river]

It could be reset once Boss Zen is applied to the player
That way constantly spawning bosses doesn't exploit the mechanism

[bold wave]

Sounds good

[grave zinc]

@arctic barn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make shimmering exhumed items (shattered community, metastasis, etc.) return back to its original form]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[bold wave]

Wait, it wouldn't work

[small timber]

I am surprise no one has suggested for bosses to not drop hearts if other bosses is still alive

How do we solve summining 20 king slime mid scal fight to heal to full hp cheese then

[wide river]

Why not?

[bold wave]

Boss zen gets removed if you're over 400 tiles away

[small timber]

Why dont we just have the better solution of dodge cooldown not decreasing when a boss is alive

[bold wave]

So it would have to be "Whenever there isn't any boss alive and a boss is spawned"

[novel belfry]

hehe

[drifting chasm]

just be careful and if you do get hit wait a minute and a half

maybe just unequip the dodge accessory, and equip it as soon as the fight starts

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, just nohit the normal enemies /j

[drifting chasm]

really

[sand marlin]

That seems like overkill

It's not some silva revive levels of invincibility

It's just one dodge

Also becomes inconsistent as while vanilla doesn't have guaranteed chances, it can still proc more than once, taking away that consistency lineup just for a dodge is weird

For anti-cheese there could be something better like not letting you spawn other bosses in one fight anyway since why would you do that really besides for cheese?

[wide river]

Challenge ig
But that's like
Not really something to be taken into account

Although, I'm not sure how that'd work with bosses like Supreme Alchemist, since she spawns other bosses during the fight

[sand marlin]

GFB content isn't really important

If it needs to stay the same as before then that could be handled separately

[wide river]

Compromise: Boss summons can't be used during boss fights

That way bosses that spawn more bosses by themselves are unaffected but you can't spawn more bosses for free heart pools

[sand marlin]

Well that still allows spawning bosses via non item methods but that might be enough

[coral carbon]

oh no, im low on hearts, let me get to the codebreaker rq

[sand marlin]

Funny enough but not a good example as there is a lot of much easier options

I'm starting to realize we're overthinking this, it should just be "only main boss and stuff can summon hearts and everything else can't"

Instead of doing anything, really

[wide river]

Natural spawns like time-based ones, breaking environment items (Plantera Bulbs), interacting with stuff (Lihzahrd Altar, Altar of the Accursed, and such), and killing enemies (???, Hive Tumors, and Perforator Cysts)
Yeah there's plenty

[wide river]

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean by "only main boss". Could you explain?

[bold wave]

Highest one in the boss checklist rankings probably

[sand marlin]

The boss you summoned first

If you happened to spawn a second one, the first one would persist as the main boss until it's dead then the second boss would be able to drop hearts after becoming the main boss since first one died off

[wide river]

Ah

[sand marlin]

Yeah actually now that I think of it that works pretty well

Because you can't summon multiple king slimes

If you summoned one, then summoned SCal at the same time, you would not be able to benefit from any further king slime kills

Other bosses aren't as convenient as king slime so just lining them up isn't really gonna be the cheese you want

So thinking of only king slime, this works pretty well Imo

[drifting chasm]

wouldn't this be too much of a hassle for the devs to fix an otherwise trivial problem?

[grim tusk]

Just suggest it I guess

[grim tusk]

Cal has made hearts not drop in the past altho idk if adding checks is worthy due to lag concerns boss checklist

[oblique geyser]

@river palm ftw is a meme and so it probably won't be balanced

[river palm]

That makes sense, but i think they should at least adjust the ftw behavior so the fight is at least physically possible

[frosty trellis]

Pretty sure it should be considering inf plantera back when it was bugged was possible and it sent multiple waves of those shits

[restive kraken]

ftw plant is possible just VERY gear dependent, pretty much requires something like shpc to knock back the large crowd of tentacles

considering that an optional boss from gfb (cirrus) had received balance changes to make it beatable without cheese, i don’t see why a non-optional boss shouldn’t receive balance changes

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah so fun fact

Oh weird

My Eye of Desolation sugg apparently had been implemented, but it was still in the game

I was going to fucking flag my own Suggestion this would be so fucking funny

[north oracle]

lmfao

[dense ferry]

Anyways yeah

Eye of Desolation Tooltip is kill

I literally just deleted it

[drowsy plank]

lul

[distant gyro]

oh yeah the initial porting rolled back any tooltip changes for the past 3 months

was fantastic

eye of desolation included

[worldly sparrow]

damn

[dense ferry]

Ouchie

[coral carbon]

What was the tooltip change for Eye of Desolation?

[royal tapir]

Death

[coral carbon]

i see

[distant gyro]

the line removal for the funny tonight is horrific night bit

[coral carbon]

quite sad but I understand why it had to go

[wide river]

Pretty sure that one dates back to when Calamitas was legit just a Twins clone

She isn't so much anymore, despite the allegations

[oblique geyser]

unique ai gif

[coral carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/unique-ai-terraria-terraria-calamity-gif-22727304

[dense ferry]

Speaking of tooltips yeah I'm going to fucking

Go on a field trip tomorrow with these

[wide river]

Is it time to polish up item tooltips?

[dense ferry]

Not polish, I will more or less just look for stuff that has to be fixed due to contradictions or can use better wording

As much as I want to add Lore to items already, we have to be careful with what we put into them so I can't just go doing that on a whim

Like Exotic Pheromones and Death Whistle

Those were outdated

Exotic Pheromones referred to Dragonfolly as a "Draconic Hybrid" (which makes no sense)

And Death Whistle still talked about the whole temple fuckery and whatnot, with also some pretty poor wording imo

So I changed that one

[wide river]

Somehow it went from being outdated to being incorrect

[dense ferry]

It went from being incorrect, to being outdated and incorrect

No idea why Folly was ever referred to as a Draconic Hybrid ngl

[wide river]

/shrug

[dense ferry]

Byeah, Folly is obvious what I changed it to be

But Death Whistle is pretty cool so I won't spoil what I was cooking

[wide river]

Summons a member of the murderous swarm

[drowsy plank]

back from the ol' folly clone days since

not 100% pure yharon

[royal tapir]

Yup, a typo

[dense ferry]

Well yeah but a Hybrid implies it's a mix of two species

[royal tapir]

[dense ferry]

[dense ferry]

Folly was a failed clone, where is the hybrid aspect?

[drowsy plank]

yeah and since pure yharon clones didnt work, most likely other species had to be spliced in

hence hybrid

at least

that was always my assumption

[wide river]

I think it's a given that Rune of Kos' tooltip is probably on the hitlist of contradictory tooltips

[dense ferry]

Unless you REALLY stretch the definition that the DNA sequencing had very minor parts of other animals to complete the chain but like

That's 2% of the complete DNA at the end

[coral carbon]

the "sentinels" bit made me look like a fool the other day

[dense ferry]

It still refers to them as Sentinels?

[wide river]

Contains the power hunted relentlessly by the sentinels of the cosmic devourer

[coral carbon]

unm im a hybrid because I accidentally ate a cat hair one time 🥺 🥺

[drowsy plank]

i just assumed calamitas and yharon's super complex and magical powers somehow prevented their whole genome from being spliced, or they lacked the abilites when cloned, so hybrid

lol

also yes they are still called sentinels

it is very silly

[dense ferry]

I don't think I caught that when I was reading

[drowsy plank]

esp signus

[dense ferry]

Will change that

[drowsy plank]

bruh still got it in his mf name 💀

[wide river]

Signus' rename relies on something from what I remember
At the very least a replacement that makes thematic sense

[dense ferry]

We are waiting for the resprite for that, yeah

[drowsy plank]

you could just remove the sentinel part tbh

[dense ferry]

And we haven't come up with a proper replacement yet

[drowsy plank]

i dont think anyone would miss it

for now i mean

[wide river]

Signus, of the Devourer

[drowsy plank]

because man it is annoying explaining that to people

[dense ferry]

Just calling it "Signus" is lame

[royal tapir]

Signus, Envoy of the Distortion

[drowsy plank]

look you can either come up with it before the next update, leave it and confuse everyone, or just change it to signus until he gets a new title

[royal tapir]

[wide river]

Aaanyway
New suggestion time (if I can find one)

[coral carbon]

lasagna

[worldly sparrow]

ah yes,
signus, of the devourer OR
signus, the devourer

[wide river]

Signus, the

[worldly sparrow]

signus,

just rename signus to

[wide river]

Does this make sense/is it actually factual

Rework Blood Pact

Blood Pact is an accessory dropped by Ravager which focuses on the whole risk-reward aspect of combat. However, it leans too much into the risk side of things for the rewards to be worth using this. For example, the self- crit mechanic can sometimes have the player die to attacks that wouldn't have killed them normally, even without the doubled health. This essentially makes wearing the Blood Pact sometimes more detrimental than having an empty slot. While it could be argued "just don't get hit", that's a horrible counterargument to an accessory that doesn't provide any benefit for dodging. Its whole gimmick relies on getting hit, so having such an immense downside puts players off from equipping it. Thus, with all this in mind, reworking Blood Pact would be for the better.

[cobalt pewter]

we should just

isolate titles from names

idk put the titles somewhere else

[cobalt pewter]

I think Blood Pact could do with a cooldown based system like dodges at the very least

and Bloody Boost could be a temporary transformation buff which would be infinitely more interesting than stats

[novel belfry]

I don't like how dodges are universally just 90 sec cooldowns

like, i get it works when your in like, at most, hardmode

but you STILL GET 90 sec cooldowns even in post-DoG items

and yet the only dodge iirc that goes below 90 secs is the Counter Scarf dodge

And that's like a late pre-HM item

and here's a bit of my unpopular opinions, i don't think the dodge cooldown should even be that high when goddamn Asgard's Valor and its upgrades can OUTRIGHT nullify any damage by ramming into enemies, basically making stuff like the Stasis Belt completely pointless

at least the counter scarf is justified because you have to dash to get the dodge

[cobalt pewter]

so like, this is incredibly sis so i am not actually suggesting but

• Changed proc condition of Critical Hits from 25% chance on taking damage to 100% chance every 25s (which starts when Bloody Boost ends)
• Bloody Boost transforms the player into a bloodied hound creature
• Bloody Boost lasts a bit shorter (from 10 to 8 seconds)
• Stats provided by Bloody Boost are changed to:

Doubled iframes (same from before)
+20% dash distance and velocity
+35% healing from all sources (previously +50% only from healing potions)

and now I can actually reply to those dodge cooldown things

[cobalt pewter]

yeah this is weird

[cobalt pewter]

also it seems like rams still apply debuffs, but for the most part they're definitely strong yea

there's a big reason why most people prefer rams over other dashes

[novel belfry]

but why is the Post-DoG Statis' Void Sash, the final form of the original alternative dash accessory, just gets outright useless because the dodge cooldown is still 90 secs

while with the rams, you just double click A or D and dash into enemy

[cobalt pewter]

or use a keybind because that's a thing

I think for dodges not tied to the dash it should be lower in CD yea

[wide river]

Probably because the ram dashes have a stupid amount of stats thrown on them

Defense, life regen (on later ones), debuff immunity, and (formerly) the Elysian Guard buff

[novel belfry]

AND BAM, YOU GET THE BASICALLY SAME BENEFITS OF A DODGE, WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT 90 SECS

ITS SO STUPID

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair outright ignoring contact dmg 98.75% of the time is definitely pretty strong, but yeah the stats are absurd too

[novel belfry]

WHY CAN'T DODGES GET A BREAK

[wide river]

Elysian Guard being moved to a different accessory and reworked was honestly for the best

[novel belfry]

WHY CAN'T THEY BE ALLOWED TO SHINE MOST OF THE TIME, WHILE RAMS GET TO HAVE ALL THEIR COOL SHIT

[cobalt pewter]

definitely

now we just need to destroy Valor and its upgrades

[wide river]

Shield of the Ocean is dying iirc so that'll be the water buff gone

[novel belfry]

It's the absolute worst example of a double standard in this entire mod

like when previously vanilla items got often nerfed to the ground, but then you also got super absurd items as well
at least such examples in modern day calamity are more because calamity weapons are just, more well designed and interesting

but this is just stupid

[cobalt pewter]

actually I wanted to suggest something but I forgot

does anyone have testing times on dumbbell

this thing SUCKS (at least on stealth)

it's so half baked design wise

[novel belfry]

uh this is #suggestions-discussion ?

and not https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1042197406776827914

[cobalt pewter]

well yeah, I'm not suggesting a rebalance

[novel belfry]

oh, i see

[cobalt pewter]

just making sure if the item has some reputable performance or some kind

because last time I tried on od this thing just feels

terrible

not even on the stats, I have no idea when to stop flexing

the throw itself feels weak despite being a dumbbell

[wide river]

The new tierlist hasn't had it tested yet and the old one doesn't have times iirc

There's probably times for the 2.0.2.3 iteration of it but I don't have access to it

[cobalt pewter]

okay so it sucks and I might sugg to rework it wheeze

[wide river]

Unfortunately: Donor item
You'd need to go check if they're contactable or something

[cobalt pewter]

command grab

I'll ping rover when my sugg is done and ready to be thrown

[wide river]

Was gonna suggest the Blood Pact thing tonight but now it's too late
Ig I'll suggest it tomorrow if I remember

[frosty trellis]

Iirc it's fine spamwise and has been for awhile but after the stealth multiplier got nerfed from 1.4x to .3x the stealth and flex stealth have just been complete and utter dogshit

[drowsy plank]

1.3x or 0.3x

[frosty trellis]

Ik the stealth multiplier is now currently 0.3x

I remember the day it was nerfed

As DSD used to be meta for a long ass fucking time

[crude geode]

DSD's concept is interesting but I feel like there should be more risk to flexing

[lucid marsh]

Silly item idea: armor piece with 0 defense but +100% critical strike chance

[small timber]

silly "nohitter's wet dream" item idea

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

You also lose out on armor set bonuses

And stats

[halcyon zealot]

Make it a summoner armorset

[ripe owl]

[deft yew]

As a nohitter, I would destroy this item singlehandedly

[cobalt pewter]

right.

that's interesting to say the least

I might make my suggestion soonish

a bit under the weather

[cobalt pewter]

Revamp Deep Sea Dumbbell's stealth strike and flexing.

Deep Sea Dumbbell's stealth strike as well as its flexing feels really ancient. It's highly unintuitive, non-satisfying and is overall bad. In case of intuitiveness, there's really no real way of knowing whether you've flexed enough to cap out the damage bonus. And the stealth strike doesn't really actually change how the weapon works, as the projectile behaves exactly the same as it does normally.

Revamping the stealth strike entirely while still focusing on the flexing aspect of the weapon would make it much more interesting and nicer to look at.

there we go

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell do you have contacts for the donor of this weapon?

[hollow shell]

yes one sec

[hollow shell]

ahh
Nevermind
Their account got deleted

The doc rules are that the weapon must remain as it is if the donor cannot be contacted, unless the change is just for balancing

I guess you could suggest that the core functionality remain exactly the same but just make the UX n aesthetic more modernized

Like
"there's really no real way of knowing whether you've flexed enough to cap out the damage bonus"
this in particular could just use some additional text or graphics to convey that to the player

[cobalt pewter]

damn.

well I spose I'll do that in a couple hours

[hollow shell]

aight

[brazen minnow]

I have a great suggestion in https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868

[sand marlin]

1- Title doesn't display what the main suggestion is

[small timber]

@brazen minnow "number of weapon" is as pointless as it is literally: it is just a number
who cares if you have 50000 melee weapons if 49000 of them are literal wooden broadsword copy of different weapon size and damage

at that rogue weapon at the very least, for the most part, have by far the more unique weapon due to most of them having a stealth strike function which basically make them work in 2 ways, or at the very least more unique than "funni fast firing gun no.50 or fast swinging broadsword no.200"

and the suggestion scope is too big because turns out adding weapon to literal all points of progression is a big deal and further causing weapon bloat

[sand marlin]

2- Let xpc take care of the rest

It's funny because stealth strikes means the weapons are pretty much two in one

Final Dawn is like 3 in one literally

[small timber]

if you want to suggest something like this, focus on specific point of progression where there is a significant lack of rogue weapon compare to other classes, such as exactly post-Moon Lord (I am unsure if this is still true but probably is)

instead of asking for "add a lot more rogue weapon to all progression"

[brazen minnow]

No It's just filling the gap in rogue for night's, terra, elemental, and exo.

[sand marlin]

Terra line is not good tho

[small timber]

that is also called literally the entire progression

[cobalt pewter]

it should still be true, elem disk, knife, lunar kunai, celestial reaper, and hell's sun

that's it

[sand marlin]

Or if I rephrase it

There don't need to be more terra

[brazen minnow]

So my suggestion is bad?

[sand marlin]

Well the scope is too big so that's just a no outright

[small timber]

if your focus is on specifically nights -> terra -> elemental -> exo line, then the suggestion should said so

the suggestion (currently) only implies that you want to add rogue weapon everywhere way just because it is lesser in number compare to other classes

[small timber]

yes, main issue is scope is way too big

[drowsy plank]

@brazen minnow "please fix all of rogue right now also here are twelve specific item ideas"

like i think calamity knows rogue is lacking in weapons, i already sent a sugg in ancient times about fixing post-ML tier which is an actual problem, but you then randomly ask for some accessory and then also adding a terra line (which are dying anyway)

[brazen minnow]

Do the rules say no general suggestions on a large scope?

[drowsy plank]

like xpc said this is scope but also specific item suggestions

[drowsy plank]

"anything that would take an excessive amount of effort"

[brazen minnow]

Not that specific

[hollow ridge]

Refer to the dont doc in this channels desc for the sis thingy

[brazen minnow]

No, just as a guideline for the devs to take in mind for future updates

[drowsy plank]

yes it is you literally lay out their functionality you dont get to decide if something is an SiS or not

[worldly sparrow]

also adding 12 specific weapons would be a lot of effort for devs (especially rogue ones)

[drowsy plank]

also true!

[brazen minnow]

SiS?

[worldly sparrow]

specific item suggestion

[drowsy plank]

plus, like i mentioned, the night/terra/ele/exo/whatever lines are probably hopefully dying anyway so making another is very silly

[frail mantle]

🙏

plantation staff dying is sad but i'm biased

[worldly sparrow]

cant wait for terra's death

[drowsy plank]

like the weapons will still exist they just wont all be themed that exact way

[royal tapir]

You should add more rogue weapons... NOW!

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[frail mantle]

ok even better

my child lives

[worldly sparrow]

hell yeah

death of terra line likely means terra blade can finally be moved to post-golem

night's ele and exo tiers also deserve to die but like, terra's the biggest offender

[bright crag]

Mfw the class that is entirely from modded has more weapons than the other classes that have both vanilla and modded content

[brazen minnow]

mfw??

[undone holly]

my face when

[brazen minnow]

oh

[glass arch]

except it doesnt because cal adds about the same amount of melee weapons as there are in vanilla

[brazen minnow]

apparently my suggestion is
unpopular

[small timber]

calamity dev is lazy, so little rogue weapon added

should had just do it the vanilla style and add 50 more variants of spike balls crafted from wood, stone, sand, randomly dropped from slime and goblin and shadow balls, sulphuric sand, thrasher, bone dust, bone...

[worldly sparrow]

it kinda breaks like 3 rules

[small timber]

well turns out "just add like 100 weapons with these ideas" is not exactly a valid transaction

[brazen minnow]

That's one on my first suggestions
excuse me

[small timber]

when it is difficult to get suggestion to sugget for adding a single (1) weapon, with a single specific function

but yeah, if you lower the scope it definitely can work

[cobalt pewter]

I mean wood spike is a thing so uhhhhhhhh

[small timber]

just focus on the point of progression that is by far the least lacking (like previously mentioned exactly after Moon Lord) or some other point

[cobalt pewter]

(though it's post golem)

Metal Monstrosity upgrade but with Lihzahrd Bricks + Wooden Spikes >>>>

[sleek turret]

lmao?

[glass arch]

whats metal monstrosity

[cobalt pewter]

[glass arch]

correct i am extremely clueless i dont play rogue

[drowsy plank]

it breaks the rules which you seemingly still havent read because i flagged it, told you what rules it broke, and you still haven't asked how to change it to make it valid or anything (i dont think you can but idk)

[royal tapir]

Metal Monstrosity goes hard

[hollow ridge]

Hmm

All these issues with rogue

Let's js remove it

[drowsy plank]

oh my god you edited it to ask if your suggestion was really that bad but not to fix any of the issues

[worldly sparrow]

this is a lost cause

its not savable

[bright crag]

This suggestion is just asking for too much, not to mention that the problem it highlights has a very good reason for existing

[brazen minnow]

k

[worldly sparrow]

actually if rogue was a vanilla class it would be the biggest

but like, of course the modded class that adds other weapons has less weapons

[cobalt pewter]

I just rechecked the sugg and holy fuck

I almost choked

[worldly sparrow]

and conveniently im pretty sure rogue weapons are the hardest to code (could be wrong tho, summoner looks hard)

[cobalt pewter]

bro spawned a wall of text

[glass arch]

hopefully there should be as many rogue weapons in calamity as calamity swords
jesus christ

thats the exact fuckin opposite of what should happen

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, infact id go out on a limb and say there should be less melee weapons

[glass arch]

we need less usestyle1 broadswords, not for every class to have the same number of weapons

[drowsy plank]

time to add 50 minisharks

[glass arch]

implying there arent 50 ranged weapons that function the same as minishark

[worldly sparrow]

also rogue might as well have a normal amount of weapons considering how some of the stealth strikes function like another weapon

[glass arch]

yeah that too

every rogue weapon is more like 2 weapons in 1 because of stealth strikes

[tired haven]

ironically enough, there probably arent

now, 50 true melee swords or beam swords....

[sand marlin]

You could just make it like colored strings and phase sabers

[worn coyote]

yeah, almost half of vanilla melee weapons are just swing or swing + single projectile

[rough harbor]

i dont see how this part is an issue, only melee and mage have a night equivalent and rogue is meant to be unique, like how doesnt even have its own pillar

[small timber]

that part is not the issue, the rest of the suggestion is

[worldly sparrow]

ranged has lunarian bow which is its night's edge equivelant

summoner has eye of night

[cobalt pewter]

rogue doesn't need it

nor does any other classes that aren't melee (which was from vanilla to begin with)

[golden tulip]

uniqueness isnt the reason rogue doesnt have a pillar

[grim tusk]

5th pillar

[cobalt pewter]

@wintry moon if you haven't read the pins yet, you gotta have a proper argument to the suggestion beyond "it'd be cool"

[wintry moon]

Oh alright

[cobalt pewter]

what would adding minibosses actually add to the already messy BR, for instance

[wintry moon]

Idk

[hollow shell]

^ was boutta say the same

[cobalt pewter]

no one wants to test BR because it takes an incredibly long ass time to do just one session

[wintry moon]

Alright thanks for the input

[cobalt pewter]

I'm gonna rant about BR regardless because hue

I really do feel like the ancient approach to BR isn't really engaging unless you're an incredibly boring person who finds hours of straight boss fights without reasonable breaks fun

Pantheon 5 in HK's Godhome is spectacularly annoying

and the whole Godhome content is specifically geared and balanced for Boss Rush

unlike Cal's BR

[worldly sparrow]

25 minutes is balanced for br

[cobalt pewter]

25 minutes

[crude geode]

Half an hour

[cobalt pewter]

just for one entire session

[worldly sparrow]

yup

sometimes its more if you're testing a bad one

unnerfed death's ascension took 35

[drowsy plank]

boss rush minibosses would be neat if boss rush was most like kirby's and less like. whatever it is now. but it is not so there is no point

[worldly sparrow]

which is better than apotheosis

kirby boss rushes only work because there's not many bosses

[cobalt pewter]

what's kirby boss rush

[drowsy plank]

that is not true for some of the games

The True Arena

[worldly sparrow]

you fight all of the upgraded bosses and minibosses

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[worldly sparrow]

which is usually like ~15 for any given game

[crude geode]

Kirby Boss Rush can’t really be translated into terraria, just like godhome’s boss rush can’t be

[drowsy plank]

since there's nothing like regen you go through a gauntlet of all the bosses and small rushes of minibosses with limited healing resources between the fights

yeah

[worldly sparrow]

still haven't beat the robobot true arena after like, 7 years of the game's existence

[cobalt pewter]

the only boss rush content that I'm not feeling like chopping my own head off is Dead Cells (granted my experience with BR in general is limited and I barely touch DC's boss rush in the first place)

but at least it's trying to be something that isn't "here's all the bosses, fuck em up or something idk"

[worldly sparrow]

but even kirby boss rushes have problems

like, if you're not using a HEAVILY attack-focused ability it's gonna take like an hour

to complete

[cobalt heath]

quality over quantity

I am a big weapon bloat hater

[worldly sparrow]

im more of a material bloat hater myself

[frail mantle]

i'm a terraria hater

[golden sonnet]

I hate all bloat

[frail mantle]

get on my level

[worldly sparrow]

okay

[cobalt heath]

me when the suggestion ends in

is it that bad

[worldly sparrow]

me when the suggestion is 12 SiSses in one

[wide river]

(Considering the suggestion's been beaten to death already, I probably shouldn't say this, but:)
Rogue already has a weapon for most of the Night's>Terra>Elemental>Exo line

[brazen minnow]

OH MY GOD

[drowsy plank]

lol

[worldly sparrow]

lmao

[grim tusk]

Yea pretty much only Night’s is missing

Terra disk
Elemental Disk
Celestus

[worldly sparrow]

honestly dont even delete the sugg, let it get auto-deleted so we have more time to laugh at it

[brazen minnow]

I should save it and post it two weeks later for comedic effect

"Calamity's worst suggestion"

[grim tusk]

anywhere between 15-25 minutes… BR is fucked and will not be unfucked due to how low priority it is and then people suggest to make it like Hollow Knight Pantheons

[grim tusk]

Nah this is nowhere near close

[worldly sparrow]

sometimes it takes more

[grim tusk]

No suggestion will fucking be worse than Fogbound

[brazen minnow]

Fogbound?

[novel belfry]

Wh- What’s … Fogbound?

[worldly sparrow]

i never saw that sugg but like, yeah fogbound

[brazen minnow]

What is it?

[worldly sparrow]

[brazen minnow]

[grim tusk]

[I call it the FogBound](#calamity-mod-talk message)

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-at-your-meme-gif-19583217

[worldly sparrow]

fogbound is quite the thing

[brazen minnow]

Overspecification

At least I was vague

[novel belfry]

Now the question is… what movie poster inspired this abomination?

[frail mantle]

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[ashen warren]

idk the elephant one is up there

[grim tusk]

The elephant?

There was also the Ultimate Plantera one (deleted but was basically like fogbound sugg)

[ashen warren]

i dmed it to you

[novel belfry]

Elephant???

[grim tusk]

I should have screenshotted ultimate plantera tbh

Its lost media now

Unlike elephant and fogbound

[quiet kernel]

Weapon suggestions were

[frail mantle]

might be in delete logs somewhere

[quiet kernel]

Like they were so specific

[frail mantle]

unless the bot got it

[novel belfry]

I know I don’t like AI generated content anymore, but imagine what abomination would be spout out of chatgpt if I fed(?) it these terrible boss suggestions

[frail mantle]

[wide river]

Imagine it somehow follows the rules better

[royal tapir]

Grand Yharon sweeps

[frail mantle]

there's also Calamity GOD

[sand marlin]

Ranger also has lunarian bow

Summoner has eye of night etc.

Unless I'm completely taking this in the wrong way

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message i think these were the reactions to it but im not sure

[ashen warren]

they're not, that was some alch npc boss crossover suggestion

[grim tusk]

Well its lost media I guess

[pale ingot]

the bloodstone is only earnable in the brimstone crag by mobs?

[hollow ridge]

ravager is the most efficent i think

also this isnt really the channel to ask that lol

#help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk would suit better

[pale ingot]

sorry

[hollow ridge]

no worries lol

[grim tusk]

Cog found it, it was true planterra and not ultimate plantera

[drowsy plank]

you guys wanna some something very funny i also found

[worthy lintel]

a special crafting station for items that alter gameplay

[grim tusk]

[novel belfry]

why does Meld Bar (meld construct) look like a victory shard (pearl shard) here?

[wide river]

Probably part old Calamity sprites being similar to each other

[pale nacelle]

@novel belfry Official wiki: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/

**Do not use the Fandom wiki**

It will no longer be updated nor maintained, and it is heavily vandalized with fake information.

Use the official Calamity Mod Wiki here at wiki.gg instead.

[grim tusk]

[novel belfry]

okay i was looking up old sprite for the meld bar, which I SWEAR looked cool, and i found this
BRUH I WANTED TO SHOW MARS BAR

alright just have the image here

[red storm]

🤷 No result for your query could be found.

[novel belfry]

okay but what was up with the future bosses?

[hollow ridge]

theyre past bosses now

[novel belfry]

lol

[hollow ridge]

🔥 🖋️

there is absolutely nothing up with them though

[wide river]

Something something old lore
They aged really poorly

[novel belfry]

but jokes aside what was up with the future bosses? apparently they were removed due to backlash, but they got removed only like, two updates after their introduction

[drowsy plank]

they sucked lmao

[wide river]

I would have to assume that fighting The Same Boss But Harder With No Extra Changes™️ probably wasn't a very good concept

And killing them gave no loot, just an incredibly marginal stat boost

Well, at least no exclusive loot, anyway

[novel belfry]

that's my main guess, they probably weren't that interesting

[wide river]

Oh wait literally like no loot
Just freaking healing potions

[novel belfry]

although i still wonder if they were executed better?

[wide river]

Even were they executed better, they still wouldn't be around today

All three of them make no sense nowadays in lore

Dragon God, Yharon

[novel belfry]

What is the Ancient Doomsayer supposed to be?
Devourer of Universes could work, (apparently he ate the Storm Weaver and now he can eat universes) but the current focus of its story is more so on Noxus
Dragon God would probably fit Zeratos better? His death is outright considered to be the point where things went horribly wrong, even before Yharim came around. At least Yharon canonically had a really important role in resurrecting his Auric kin, but since most of them are either eaten or they're the Primordial Wyrm, I don't know?

[wide river]

Frankly I can't even begin to explain them

[wide river]

Unironically a Zeratros fight would be really cool but I have no idea how it would even make sense in lore

For one: Why would they fight you?
For another: How would you fight them?

[brazen minnow]

Ok

[bright crag]

(Keep in mind that Future bosses were based on old lore)

Ancient Doomsayer was Lunatic Cultist after absorbing all of ML's power
Devourer of Universes was DoG after consuming Providence and the Sentinels
Dragon God, Yharon was Yharon after realizing his full potential

[bright crag]

Yeah, this

[novel belfry]

makes sense

[bright crag]

Dragon God is so funny in hindsight

[novel belfry]

indeed, its such a juxtaposition if you know

It's so absurd that it only works with a certain long dead dragon of primordial light

[bright crag]

Not really

[novel belfry]

more as a title

ala astrum deus

[bright crag]

A God is a being who killed a Dragon and absorbed its Auric Soul so
It is really weird to have both things in a name

But yeah, using it in the sense of "deity", like in Astrum Deus, would work

Though tbf
Yharon isn't insanely far from Zeratros in power

Zeratros is the only dragon more powerful than Yharon actually

[novel belfry]

so what's up with the AEW (or now the Primordial Wyrm)?

its bestiary entry

"The first Wyrm, blessed by the Goddess of Life, held staggering power that surpassed nearly all of its auric brethren. It held a deep hatred for any sign of usurped light, and would have attempted to strike down even the wielder of Primordial Light had they returned to reclaim their artifact. And yet, despite its immense power, it never would have stood a chance."

[bright crag]

AEW isn't really a dragon, it's a draconic offshoot
And its incredible power comes from a mixture of already being pretty strong as the first Wyrm, and being blessed by Silva

[wide river]

For further questions it may be best to move to #lore-discussion as this isn't really suggestion-related anymore

[bright crag]

^

[deft yew]

"realizing his full potential" what is bro waffling about

[north oracle]

what the fuck is that suggestion

[crude geode]

A fitting suggestion for someone with a berdly pfp

[worldly sparrow]

honestly with updated lore and total fight reworks the future bosses could've been alright at best

concept would still suck ass

[wide river]

Can we make this the most exclaimed suggestion in suggestion history, is the question

27 seems pretty high

[frail mantle]

bro is about to partake in the Tornado of Creation

[north oracle]

Also are they unaware of the existence of terra and elemental disk

Lol

[wide river]

I pointed it out yet nothing changed

[bright crag]

True tbh
But they'd still be awkward

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

i love how instead of trying to resolve the issues with his suggestion he just added "is my suggestion bad or something?"

before removing it

[wide river]

Now it's "Gel dart upgrade please"

[worldly sparrow]

which is still a SiS

[wide river]

I should suggest something so this chat stops beating the poor thing to death

[worldly sparrow]

but kicking someone while they're down is fun

(i should also probably suggest something)

[wide river]

I'll just put that there so people can see it
Was gonna suggest this yesterday but timing was wrong (it was late so going to sleep would be bad suggestion practice)

[worldly sparrow]

yeah i saw your draft for that yesterday

[pine star]

dumb idea
just make it do really high damage

so it has a very strong DPS, at the cost of your wrist hurting

[worldly sparrow]

thats more of a balancing thing and wouldn't solve wrist pains at all

[pine star]

the wrist pains become the downside of the weapon

[worldly sparrow]

physical pain should never be the downside of anything in a game

like, how many people have gotten carpal tunnel from mario & luigi rpgs because of all the mashing attacks

and get this, enough wrist pains can turn into carpal tunnel

[weary ledge]

Me when rogue supposedly has "No weapons on the Night's->Tera->elemental->exo line", except it has ones at every tier of that line but Night's.

[worldly sparrow]

(the night's tier is quite possibly the worst of the few imo)

terra is also really bad but i just feel the night's ones feel more ripoff-y

[sleek turret]

night ones are based on the idea of night being corruption/crimson themed therefore causing to stuff like carnage ray/night ray existing tbh

[ashen warren]

there's not a lot that a rouge night tier could be made out of anyway

[worldly sparrow]

true

[sleek turret]

when in reality it's just hell shadow chest themed

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

but honestly i cant wait for night's-terra-elemental-exo line to die

[sleek turret]

see dark lance (vanilla), nocturne (bard weapon, thorium) as an examples

[worldly sparrow]

in part because it finally allows the devs to push terra blade to post-golem

[sleek turret]

maybe demon scythe

[worldly sparrow]

(which it probably will be)

like, you get to use true night's edge and true excal for 1 boss before terra blade

[pine star]

so terra blade is going to be in competition with influx waver

[worldly sparrow]

which is sad because the 2 weapons are so cool

[pine star]

interesting

[worldly sparrow]

always has been

until 1.4.4

[ashen warren]

^

[worldly sparrow]

when influx waver didnt get the cool effect

[ashen warren]

influx weaver was the "better terra blade" until 1.4.4

[pine star]

well by "in competition" I meant "occupying same stage of progression"

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

but terra blade was always post-golem levels of power

possibly more

[ashen warren]

im biased because terra ray is a fun weapons to use but outside of plantation staff and maybe cosmic bolter which could be shifted around

[worldly sparrow]

(terra ray is only fun because its broken, otherwise it just shoots a beam that does damage)

[ashen warren]

(maybe so)

[wide river]

"Shoots a beam that does damage" applies to a solid 40% of weapons in this game

[worldly sparrow]

some aren't beams

[crude geode]

[worldly sparrow]

some are swords

[serene tendon]

Some are bullet streams

[worldly sparrow]

those are ranged projectiles

[ashen warren]

some are beam swords

[worldly sparrow]

thus every class but summoner is ranged in a trench coat

[sleek turret]

the class consistency echo chamber

[worldly sparrow]

sometimes the trench coat hides the fact better on certain classes

[wide river]

The summons are projectiles which go after enemies
Thus, Summoner is Ranger with homing

[worldly sparrow]

true

[ashen warren]

all summons are just skins for chlorophyte bullets

[serene tendon]

with... varying tracking abilities

[sleek turret]

autonomous ranger

[worldly sparrow]

throwing is literally just ranged (rip throwing class)

classless shoots ranged projectiles

[weary ledge]

The dungeon, evil, hellstone, and jungle weapons for Rogue are Shinobi blade, Tooth/Rot balls, Infernal Kris, and Poison Pack respectively, which is such a varied group of weapons the final result would have to be totally disconnected from it's ingredients.

[ashen warren]

the final result would have to be a boomerang like terra/elemental disk

[weary ledge]

Yeah

[wide river]

Dagger + Spiky Ball + Dagger + Spiky Ball
The logical result is clearly a bomb /s

[sleek turret]

it's just inconsistent

[weary ledge]

and NONE of the components are boomerangs

[sleek turret]

to create a night's tier weapon you'd have to make it a shadow chest item tbh

[serene tendon]

I'd say each class has at least one big mechanic that differentiates it from the others, but when it comes to range, pretty much every one has to be long ranged due to how Terraria bosses are designed.

[worldly sparrow]

ooh good idea

lets create a night's boomerang

[wide river]

Wait no Rot/Tooth Balls aren't spiky
Argument destroyed

[weary ledge]

Dark Lance moment

[worldly sparrow]

and night's flail

[sleek turret]

yeah dark lance moment

[ashen warren]

i guess it doesn't have to, mage doesn't exactly follow that sysyem

[sleek turret]

imagine having like biome lances and having to craft dark lance at the end

[weary ledge]

Yeah actually why aren't the rot and tooth balls spiky balls wth?

[ashen warren]

but even then you have very limited options

[sleek turret]

lol, lmao?

[worldly sparrow]

just give every subclass a night's thing

[pine star]

angry sunfury noises

[wide river]

I love instant upgrades!!!

[serene tendon]

Melee has extra damage at close range, ranged has ammo variety, Mage has mana (although it's far from a perfect system) Summoner has using summons and whips together, and Rogue has the stealth meter

[sleek turret]

kill all night's item, nerf them, put them on shadow chests or some shit like that

[weary ledge]

Yeah but mage basically has no true subclasses really. Magic guns, Staves, Wands, and Tomes have no fundemental differences other than appearance

[sleek turret]

since shadow chests are post skelly and night's edge are like post-sg balance

[ashen warren]

i meant more of, doesnt follow the hell/jungle/corruption/dungeon thing

[worldly sparrow]

lock shadow chests behind sg imo

[ashen warren]

but that's a valid point too

[serene tendon]

Remove Sunfury from shadow chests and make it an upgrade to Ball o Hurt or Meatball with hellstone bars

[sleek turret]

it could be an idea too

[weary ledge]

Oh

I see

[worldly sparrow]

skeletron loves weapons that get outclassed instantly

like, you use blue moon for 5 seconds

before sunfury

[weary ledge]

Magic Missile stands on it's own

[ashen warren]

but that's still a very valid point

[worldly sparrow]

muramasa for 5 seconds before night's edge

[serene tendon]

Flamelash

[worldly sparrow]

flamelash

[ashen warren]

i totally see what you're saying

[sleek turret]

magic missile dies after flamelash ye

[weary ledge]

Flamelash is much slower

[worldly sparrow]

its better

[sleek turret]

but other uses are for sky fracture

[weary ledge]

and in cal MM shoots 2 missiles per cast

[sleek turret]

which is a silly mage weapon

[serene tendon]

And Post-Evil boss doesn't have a flail

Sunfury would be perfect there

[worldly sparrow]

so yeah post-skeletron weapons love being outclassed by shadow chest weapons WHICH ARE ALSO POST-SKELLY

[pine star]

handgun for 5 seconds before phoenix blaster

[weary ledge]

MM is like just as good as Flamelash in Cal, just for a different purpose

[worldly sparrow]

so like, move shadow chests forward

jesus

[sleek turret]

valor getting outclassed by cascade

lmao

[weary ledge]

Literally upgrades into it

[pine star]

exactly

muramasa upgrades into night's edge

[sleek turret]

cobalt shield -> obsidian shield

[serene tendon]

Or just tweak the weapons to make them actual interesting sidegrades

[weary ledge]

Water bolt getting outclassed by... Wait never mind water bolt is amazing

[worldly sparrow]

honestly sounds good

[sleek turret]

water bolt is it's own thing really

[ashen warren]

water bolt getting outclassed by water bolt

[worldly sparrow]

someone suggest a re-tiering of shadow chests

[weary ledge]

Yeah Flame Bolt honestly feels worse than water bolt

[sleek turret]

i'd suggest it rn but i'm working out

[serene tendon]

Frost Bolt, Flare Bolt

Those are Cal ripoffs tho

[sleek turret]

frost bolt and flame bolt have different pierce amount i believe

vs water bolt

[wide river]

The only place Shadow Chests can be moved to before being outclassed themselves is post-Slime God, no?

[worldly sparrow]

yes

[serene tendon]

Well yeah, but they're basically the same projectile

[pine star]

yes

[serene tendon]

apart from that minor difference

[worldly sparrow]

thats where i figured they could be re-tiered to

[sleek turret]

i agree with you with that one ye

they're just ripoffs without anything else to it

boooring zzzzzz

[serene tendon]

I don't mind though, Water Bolt is a fun projectile to use

[worldly sparrow]

yeah imma just suggest shadow chest re-tiering

[sleek turret]

anyways back to calf raises set number 3, 30 reps

[worldly sparrow]

wait no

it feels weird to sugg 2 things in a row

i aint doin it

[weary ledge]

Mage has like no cool accessories.

It gets like, 1 accessory line that isn't devoted almost exclusively to mana restoration (the Sigil of Calamitas). And Sigil of Calamitas and Ethereal Talisman are really just stat balls.

Everything else is Chaos Stone (Which is pretty cool ngl), Mana Flower, or Magic Cuffs.

[pine star]

how have calf raises been so far

[sleek turret]

pain but it's worth it

[weary ledge]

Also Mana Polarizer but that sucks

[buoyant idol]

I have an idea for a suggestion but I'm unsure if it's too large scale. What if more enemies dealt extra knockback, such as Ravager punches and Apollo rams? Seems kinda lame that all attacks from tiny brimstone darts to a literal nuke deal the same knockback.

[pine star]

the problem is more that nobody cares
in the sense that everybody would use a shield

[wide river]

Knockback immunity is too big of a staple for most players unless you're nohitting

[worldly sparrow]

and if you're nohitting you won't take knockback because if you do you're dead

[sleek turret]

if a small hit can destabilize your entire precise movement a big hit would just fuck you up

(in some cases)

[buoyant idol]

True, but what about using it as a means to prevent comboing on the other hand?

[sleek turret]

that'd be nice

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps that could be used for things like Leviathan where getting trapped inside is a death sentence.

[sleek turret]

random idea came in my head about big damage having big knockback and bosses having special combo attacks based on the knockback you receive

[wide river]

Boss teleports below you and hits you upwards
Proceeds to do Super Smash Bros Ultimate attack that at least 7 fighters share

[sleek turret]

idk bomb explodes in your front -> get big knockback -> you have to dodge the bosses big beam or whatever attack that follows up with the big knockback

it would be so good and funny but sadly Gives you knockback immunity accs

[buoyant idol]

What bosses could benefit from having some attacks have massive kb (maybe even bypass kb resist?)

Wait...

[buoyant idol]

Dementia on my end

[flint notch]

Yharim auric rejecting you would be awesome

[sleek turret]

golem fists feel like it's a big knockback attack considering the golem's fist weapon having insane knockback

[buoyant idol]

Would it be too large of a change though?

[sleek turret]

tbh it would enter the too much effort to do zone

it's like asking to remove base movement and building changes off calamity

and what if, shields gave immunity to "small/medium" attacks and "big" attacks have slightly reduced knockback

[buoyant idol]

Atlases already do it, so the code is there.

[sleek turret]

oh right

[buoyant idol]

Good idea, give it weight classes

[sleek turret]

add shield variety

[buoyant idol]

Yes, that'd work with ankh separation

[wide river]

(Trust me I would love that)

[buoyant idol]

Is that confirmed to happen or should I not mention it?

[sleek turret]

shields like paladin shield stuff trade off movement with higher knockback resistance to big attacks, medium shields like idk asgard line have 50/50 stats and small shields have more movement options but let you vulnerable to big knockback and maybe medium knockback

[wide river]

It's not been confirmed at all
Suggestions for that exact purpose haven't reached devs, and I think a dev even said that it's unlikely to happen

[buoyant idol]

Ah

[sleek turret]

shield separation with debuff immunity line of shields and ram side shields

[north oracle]

the melee gloves are very thouroughly stat balls

[sleek turret]

titan glove is barely unique

anyways I do agree with this sugg

[serene tendon]

Yharon would feel really epic with it

[sleek turret]

yharim boxing technique where he knocks you out into the wall, you bounce against the wall and he combos your face like Creed vs Drago scene

[weary ledge]

I know but also the autoswing property makes them more interesting

[serene tendon]

1.4.4

[north oracle]

afaik the vast majority of weapons have autoswing now

[weary ledge]

Oh right

[serene tendon]

And you can make all of them have it with a simple menu setting

[weary ledge]

Now that I think about it, I do think Melee could use some love in the non-stat ball department, too.

[buoyant idol]

Give some enemy attacks higher knockback

Gauss Nukes and Crab Shrooms deal the same amount of knockback currently, which is rather odd. Giving different attacks different knockback values allows more varied forms of attack outside of damage and defense damage. Take Ravager's punch, it's easy to dodge but punishing if it lands. By pushing the player further than a measly three blocks, it gives more recovery time to the player. This opens the door to two major design decisions to the attack creation toolbox.

• It allows attacks based around knockback to be made. An example could be made of Yharon, who could try and hit you into the border walls to deal massive damage.

• It prevents unintended comboing. The Leviathan has a massive hitbox that can easily trap and kill the player if they lack KB resist or run out of flight time. By giving a large amount of knockback to the attack, it can reposition the player to a safer position to give them time to recover.

With such a change, it would have to ignore knockback immunity to some degree to make it work, but could make more interesting bosses if used. Not to mention, the code exists already thanks to the Atlas, which would lead to easy implementation.

Are the examples too specific?

[weary ledge]

Wrong channel

[buoyant idol]

Correct Channel, check the bottom.

[weary ledge]

oh

[grim tusk]

No its ok, people ask here about a sugg to get feedback before posting

[weary ledge]

I'm stupid

[crude geode]

It’s arguably outdated at this point

[weary ledge]

What is?

[crude geode]

Posting a sugg here

It’s still okay I just prefer seeing suggs in posting

[buoyant idol]

Judging by the fact I haven't been instantly dogpiled on, I think it's ok to send.

[crude geode]

Yea

[buoyant idol]

I should've attached a gif of potential implementation to win in voting

[wide river]

Add Vergil

[coral carbon]

Add a metal gear rising gif to make it clear

[buoyant idol]

No reason, just unrelated. I wonder if that'd be ❗if I put Vergil or Raiden

[drowsy plank]

looks fine to me

[grim tusk]

Sugg looks fine

[grim tusk]

And a MS Paint drawing and a fucking at least 2 pages APA format word doc

[crude geode]

The ms paint drawings are always my favorite

[sleek turret]

it needs introduction, crediting, preface

[wide river]

Complete with sources section at the end

[sleek turret]

a draw.io diagram

[grim tusk]

|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143992478685474846/1143992533215621140/THE_ANCIENT_TEXTS.PNG || example with one of the suggs of all time

[crude geode]

Truly one of the suggs of all time

[wide river]

"Information sourced from the Calamity wiki found at calamity.fandom" or whatever (I know the link I'm just doing this to not get bot sniped)

[wide river]

Incredible file name

[sleek turret]

not to be rude with the person but that drawing looks like how i draw biology stuff like adn and cells

[crude geode]

That’s how every ms paint drawing goes it’s great

[weary ledge]

[coral carbon]

why was this rejected

[north oracle]

idk

[grim tusk]

Fogbound and Elephant are still better

[north oracle]

can't see any issues with that sugg tbh

[grim tusk]

Or the Alch NPC crossover one

[wide river]

This thing here looks like an Among Us

[grim tusk]

GETOUTOFMYHEAD

[weary ledge]

[coral carbon]

what part does ?

[crude geode]

That shit looks like the battle pass

[drowsy plank]

what was the alchnpc crossover boss

[crude geode]

I can’t remember elephant

[grim tusk]

One of the joke suggs ever

[wide river]

You know technically that came to fruition because of Supreme Alchemist

In a very roundabout way

[crude geode]

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message

[crude geode]

Truly a beautiful moment

[coral carbon]

"guys can you please add the tremors boss frost king 🥺 🥺 this is what he looks like"

[wide river]

One of the suggestions of all time

[coral carbon]

if you need me to remove anything i will 🥺 🥺

[wide river]

"Is this a good suggestion?"

[weary ledge]

[wide river]

We need a suggestion hall of fame for stuff like this

[drowsy plank]

IT DROPS A WHIP

[sleek turret]

every 1st of april during april fools we should make joke suggs with proper format

[lucid marsh]

what kind of insane person would make this

[grim tusk]

Hall of shame*