suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

you can make things mandatory and also fun

[crude geode]

Are we just repeating the conversation about events

[drowsy plank]

such as;
-punishing you for flying
-teleporting on hit
-predictive projectile spam
-multiplying if you don't kill them fast enough

[wide river]

"Ah yes, give me homing anti-air enemies that are awful to deal with, give me teleporting projectile spammers" -Words dreamt up by the utterly deranged

[drowsy plank]

yes

[worldly sparrow]

right, deerclops still exists

[wide river]

The anti-air concept is cool but Crawltipedes suck at executing it

[drowsy plank]

[flint notch]

^

[drowsy plank]

crawltipedes are anti-air in the fact that they just fucking oneshot you if you try to fly

[worldly sparrow]

holy shit i should make that

[flint notch]

I just feel like the idea’s there, but… Vanilla

[drowsy plank]

oh dont forget nebula suckers giving you blindness! that's what the event needed
not being able to see shit 💀

[wide river]

Don't forget how they stack :hdflr:

Stack in the sense that they spawn really frequently

Oh yeah Evolution Beasts suck too
Homing projectiles that can go through walls making a hiding strategy unviable

[hybrid steeple]

if i had the patience to learn how to mod terraria id make a complete lunar events overhaul mod

[torpid elm]

I Hope all the Devs die. Shortswords were NOT meant to be removed. The Devs are not deserving of life. You will all burn in Hell.

[fervent orbit]

dont care

[glass arch]

cope seethe mald cry about it

[wide river]

Most funny shortsword defender

[north oracle]

L iirc

[coral carbon]

this is such a petty thing to be mad about

[torpid elm]

Its not the update removed over 30 weapons and added 2

[north oracle]

oh no, they removed boring and obsolete weapons

[glass arch]

yes because all the removed weapons sucked

[torpid elm]

all you newgen calamity players dont understand

[north oracle]

what a terrible terrible shame

[wide river]

Consider that the 2 weapons it added were actually good weapons and not absolute garbage

[torpid elm]

I get it

[coral carbon]

how old are you (genuine question)

[glass arch]

i assure you, we are not newgen

[north oracle]

(i kinda am)

[hybrid steeple]

newgen

[torpid elm]

how old are you

[wide river]

If you truly believe that it's due to us being "new players", then go find the OG players and ask if they think the same as you

[coral carbon]

I'm 15.

[glass arch]

fluffy you've been here longer than i am

[north oracle]

i mean i generally view old players as people that have been around longer than jupi

[torpid elm]

so im older than you

[wide river]

So true

[torpid elm]

Newgen players...

[coral carbon]

Okay, how old is that?

[torpid elm]

16

[coral carbon]

wow you sure are older than me

[torpid elm]

Yeah

[coral carbon]

man im so sorry

I should respect my elders

[fervent orbit]

and you act like 5

[wide river]

This is obviously a troll can we stop engaging

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[torpid elm]

I havent player calamity in over a year and I come back to find shortswords removed

[glass arch]

as i said
cope seethe mald cry about it, we do not care

[fervent orbit]

they were shit thats why

[torpid elm]

How can I not be furious?

[torpid elm]

How old are you brah

[torpid elm]

Yeah you're probably a ranger virgin

gtfo

[worldly sparrow]

also shortswords still exist (though not many)

[glass arch]

old enough

[torpid elm]

6 of them remain

[fervent orbit]

[flint notch]

6 too many…

[north oracle]

TRUE

[hybrid steeple]

REAL

[fervent orbit]

ong

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, sad to see it

[wide river]

Based

[glass arch]

unfortunately one of them is donor so we physically cant get rid of it

[flint notch]

[worldly sparrow]

one of them is cosmic shiv so it might as well be gone already

[fervent orbit]

time to contact a donor then

[north oracle]

[glass arch]

[north oracle]

ele shiv could also just die, it's not interesting at all

[hybrid steeple]

[fervent orbit]

surely this will be an easy and possible task

[torpid elm]

Yeah you're definitely obese

[fervent orbit]

ok then

[north oracle]

hey @drowsy plank

lol

[glass arch]

@hollow shell

[north oracle]

that works too

[coral carbon]

was fun while it lasted bros 💪

I unfortunately do not think they were a troll

[drowsy plank]

@torpid elm this is going to be a warn bare minimum, firstly, don't say that word here, and secondly, definitely do not use it as an insult towards others

plus this aggression is totally uncalled for

[worldly sparrow]

> joins this discord after a year of not playing the mod
> complains that a bunch of garbage weapons are gone
> when told that they are garbage, calls another member obese
> gets warned

[coral carbon]

but they removed shortswords

[north oracle]

the calamity mod discord experience

[hybrid steeple]

coldheart icicle

[north oracle]

true

we miss coldheart

[worldly sparrow]

coldheart should have lived

[north oracle]

i would swap coldheart for every other shortsword currently in the game

[worldly sparrow]

TRUE

[hybrid steeple]

too young to die,,

[glass arch]

something something https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Alicorn_on_a_Stick

[coral carbon]

shoutout to calamity discord moderators 🙏 not the heroes we deserve but the heroes we get

[worldly sparrow]

calcord mods are epic

[north oracle]

if only it wasn't post cirrus

[worldly sparrow]

interacts with community like chads

[north oracle]

true...

[fervent orbit]

cirr
us

[flint notch]

Truueeee

[north oracle]

shut the fuck up noob

[fervent orbit]

wtf

[glass arch]

you are biofull of shit

[north oracle]

[fervent orbit]

wtffff

@ cog this is uhh

hate

[wide river]

Among
Us

[fervent orbit]

agaisnt

uhhh

british short people

[glass arch]

the british? absolutely

[fervent orbit]

or smthn

[torpid elm]

Fuck is u talking about

[north oracle]

hell yeah

we absolutely hate on the british

[worldly sparrow]

does anyone actually like the british

[glass arch]

essentially
do not use slurs

[north oracle]

[fervent orbit]

wtf youre phrasing that like u dont like the british

[wide river]

The British are cool they have Doctor Who

[north oracle]

good point

[hybrid steeple]

i like 1 british :3

[north oracle]

i support one aspect of being british

[hybrid steeple]

@ erm

[worldly sparrow]

though i do wonder if the brits just turn off the accent when nobody's around

[coral carbon]

the british invented tea so thats cool i think

[north oracle]

and that is the fucking great accents

[glass arch]

doctor who more like doctor who asked

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[fervent orbit]

octo

fuck you

[hybrid steeple]

WGAT

[wide river]

[north oracle]

noob this is why noone likes the british

[fervent orbit]

you know what you did

[glass arch]

you are biofull of shit

[hybrid steeple]

IM SORRU
UR COOL 2

[hollow shell]

.

[hybrid steeple]

[fervent orbit]

SHE SAID SHE LIKES ONE BRITISH PERSON AND SAID ERM

LIKE

[north oracle]

hi rover
nothing to see here

[fervent orbit]

RIGHT INFRONT OF MY FACE TOO

[north oracle]

we're very on topic

[hybrid steeple]

we r very on topic here dw

[drowsy plank]

Slurs are again server policy, and there was no reason to be this aggressive over... shortswords.

[wide river]

Sorry for being offtopic Rover
Hey everyone talk about my suggestion iirc

[glass arch]

did you not see the part where they're in a relationship

[drowsy plank]

talk about how discord brought back the stars on mine again :)

[hybrid steeple]

wow what a cool suggestion

[north oracle]

true...

[coral carbon]

okay unironically i love the idea of plague ambience

[hybrid steeple]

o its that one

[drowsy plank]

im amazed at how the thing managed to rack up like 138 in what

[glass arch]

discord is a fully functional application with no bugs whatsoever

[hybrid steeple]

ya

[fervent orbit]

not telling you

c:

[drowsy plank]

a day?

that's icicle arrow numbers fr

[wide river]

Better than like every other suggestion this batch in the least amount of time

[north oracle]

it's a fucking dumb recipe

[hybrid steeple]

make tgw plague have actual impact on the world

[north oracle]

i feel very strongly about this

[coral carbon]

the plague is so cool, like, its a Bio-engineered Nano-plague?! that's so cool!!! but like... you kill a few plague enemies, and fight plaguebringer goliath... then that's it. It'd be really great if there was something more

[hybrid steeple]

ur cool 2 asfsdg

[glass arch]

lots of unused potential
just like a lot of other stuff in cal

[coral carbon]

I remember when I first got to the jungle bio-lab and read about the plague it was SO COOL i just wish there was more of an impact

[fervent orbit]

[hybrid steeple]

plague minibiome 🙏

[flint notch]

Btw I wrote up a rough draft for my plague idea too

Make Big Hive connected to the Jungle Bio Lab

The Jungle Bio Lab is the research operations center for Draedon’s experiments regarding the Plague. However the question is to be begged, where does he actually run field tests and experiment with bees and the virus. The logical solution he would have taken in my opinion, is constructing his lab right next to, or straight up connected to a hive. Now, Calamity already created a Big Hive to allow for a really easy time when fighting Queen Bee. It would make sense for Draedon to build his lab connected to the Big Hive, so that he can fulfill his research in the best way possible.

There are a few other positives that come with this option as well, the Lab would be easier to find, as the Big Hive is marked with a giant tree on the surface, but also we have the Seeking Mechanism to find the Lab itself allowing us to find Big Hive easy enough. (If you’re worried about the fact that the Lab would be too easy to find, don’t forget that the sky lab is always directly above your spawn point, meaning the precedent of a easy to find lab is already there)

Lastly, and this is just for fun, considering the outbreak of the plague would be right next to the Big Hive, what if it turned into a plague-esque mini-biome, and that would be where you fight PBG, considering most already made an arena there for Queen Bee. Regardless, connecting the two would make much more sense lore wise, and gameplay wise, while also giving leeway to some cool ideas for the future

[hybrid steeple]

OH

THATS GREAT

[north oracle]

that's actually a pretty cool suggestion

[wide river]

Say, didn't a dev say that the Big Hive was relevant to the lore?

[hybrid steeple]

making the big hive a plague testbed,,

[flint notch]

HMMMMMMM

[wide river]

[glass arch]

cei said they have plans for it

[flint notch]

Might as well cut to the chase

[glass arch]

like, right around when it was released

[north oracle]

damn
@jovial spire is this going to directly conflict? because this is a pretty awesome idea ngl

[jovial spire]

We have plans for Big Hive yes

[jovial spire]

So, while I appricate the writeup

We do already have stuff we're gonna do

[flint notch]

What a tragedy

It’s ok 👍

[north oracle]

sadness

[drowsy plank]

so it'd just get 🔒'd if posted

[jovial spire]

yeah

[coral carbon]

oh the misery

understandable

[flint notch]

I am still definitely gonna build a mockup of this at some point

[worldly sparrow]

i kinda feel like suggesting something rn

suggested something

[coral carbon]

I agree with this so hard holy shit

[north oracle]

die random crafting materials, die

[coral carbon]

my child will be used in multiple recipes

[tulip summit]

it accidentally sent it I closed discord and it sent it before I was done

[coral carbon]

Either way I dont think there's really anything that could be done with it

[drowsy plank]

lol

[tulip summit]

the way I am suggesting is basically you hit a boss enough to fill a meter and on the next crit hit it will Stagger boss's Only for 2-4 Seconds

[north oracle]

... 2 to 4 seconds is a really fucking long time in a boss fight

[glass arch]

2-4 seconds is a massive amount of time by cal standards

[drowsy plank]

sounds bad

[north oracle]

true

[drowsy plank]

just use adrenaline lmao

[glass arch]

like

the only fights that it wouldnt have a major impact on are the exos and scal fights

[tulip summit]

it's a suggestion so it can change

[north oracle]

i mean it's main concept would need to change

[glass arch]

terraria wasnt made with a stagger concept in mind so it would need to have a lot of things changed

[drowsy plank]

which would make it a high effort don't

[glass arch]

bosses are immune to knockback and theres only 1 boss freeze debuff for a reason

[worldly sparrow]

(p2 boc takes some kb)

[drowsy plank]

brain of cthulhu is a boss?

[glass arch]

barely

the pretty much only reasons boc takes kb in p2 is a) massive fucking hitbox and b) no rams or dodges at that stage

[golden sonnet]

This has been suggested and passed before #suggestions-voting message

But also

Dev hell

[fallow pumice]

Whats your guys' recommended pre DoG summoner loadout?

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins

[fallow pumice]

thanks!

[small timber]

are you sure you didnt move so far away that you escape the ocean?

I don't remember leviathan despawning at all unless they changed her despawn range in the recent patch

[north oracle]

I have literally never had Levi despawn, yea

[stable kiln]

why are there so many suggestions sheesh

yeah I've never had Levi despawn, I'll.flag that

[north oracle]

Update released = suggestion swarm

[stable kiln]

I see

[north oracle]

People absolutely wait for an update to release to make suggestions
Along with the people that do their first pt in 6 months, have some random terrible idea, and make a suggestion

[small timber]

Make GFB's Thanatos' Beam Attack Be The Death Mode Thanatos' Beam

It is more interesting

soon™️ not really I dont think that will get approved

[north oracle]

[small timber]

I would like it to actually be implemented, but the chance is very slim

[worldly sparrow]

theres so many gfb suggs smh

[golden tulip]

i havent played gfb, what is thanatos' laser beam like there

[small timber]

er, 1 sec

I find this a lot more interesting than default thanatos laser

maybe actually make it harder by a bit by making the gap less compact/more projectile|| considering there is no draedon shooting at you, and maybe make thanatos reaim like 3 times instead of infinite times, and potentially make it so it have a sharper tracking and ability to somewhat turn so you still need to stay somewhat around thanatos head but nowhere near as close as now||

[hollow shell]

Hm

Would it be more fitting as a bug report then?

[thorn dock]

I remember reaper tooth necklace gave 100 armor pen in the past

[small timber]

weapons also have like 5x base damage in the past

[worn coyote]

100 armor pen was absolutely busted

[bright crag]

More whips will come in time

Have some patience, please

[rugged juniper]

Okay but sniper rifle summon when

[lucid marsh]

hey the drill containment unit can't mine exodium, which it would be perfect for

it would be nice to have a combination of the onyx drill and DCU that lets you toggle the mining laser thing so that you can also use it for combat if you want

basically just a scaling DCU

[cobalt pewter]

DCU in cal should just take pick power like drill mount and turtle

[lucid marsh]

true

[cobalt pewter]

drill will still be efficient for straight lines, but DCU is generally more versatile

[ashen warren]

catalyst mod:

i mean the suggestion makes sense, but give the devs time

catalyst mod will do fine in the meantime

[north oracle]

Aren’t whips still a dont

[hollow ridge]

Yus

[north oracle]

Cool

Hey @elder mist can you flag this one rq

[elder mist]

[hollow ridge]

Waltuh

[elder mist]

can you link which one i have to flag

[hollow ridge]

#suggestions-posting message

This?

[hollow ridge]

@digital ravine

[elder mist]

done 😁

[north oracle]

Thanks ein 😃

[digital ravine]

Yes?

Oh okay

Thank you

[ripe owl]

So true bestie

[hollow ridge]

😎

[stable kiln]

no

[sleek turret]

Add UI size customization

The UIs are good features for showing certain values in-game visually. An example of showing these values is the Flight Bar, that shows the remaining flight time the player has.
Adding UI size customization would let the player personalize even more the UI elements, on par with specific UI screen placement and clicking and dragging features.

gonna rewrite later but i want to hear y'all thoughts

[buoyant idol]

Agreed, would like to see that in game.

[drowsy plank]

we dont need to add an upgrade, DCU should just have pickaxe inheretance like every other mining mount tho lmao

[cobalt pewter]

isn't there only 1

the only mining mounts I know are drill and dcu

[drowsy plank]

i think explosives also inherent pickaxe strength? idr

[fervent orbit]

yea

[crisp cobalt]

I'm writing a suggestion to give anahita some screentime in deathmode because the music is unused in this mode
is it a valid suggestion

it's like having something locked behind an easier mode, which is kinda the opposite of what people would expect

[drowsy plank]

starting in combo phase is a very funny death mode moment

[hearty yew]

regarding armor pen

part of the reason they're so weak rn is because for the longest time we had doubled armor pen as a bug

pretty sure they should both be buffed

however, buffing them meaningfully is always scary

and "reworking" them when they're supposed to be straight up bland damage sticks is... Why

What would they do, even

There should be at least some source of armor pen lol

[wide river]

Give them each a single extra point of armor penetration
Maybe the damage boost and armor penetration boost could be rebalanced slightly? Like give more damage but less armor pen or vice versa

[hearty yew]

"rework X" (and not elaborating) is making a "suggestion" which is actually a complaint that "X sucks" (but for some reason is allowed in the suggestion channel)

"this accessory is BAD, I will not give constructive criticism"

@small timber no shade towards you specifically, btw. However, I have no idea what you expect me to rework these items to when they're intended to be a linear upgrade set to Shark Tooth Necklace.

[wide river]

If I had any semblance of editing skills I would make an image that says this as a counterpart to the "This mod is crashing, I will not give crashlog" image

[hearty yew]

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING OF

[coral carbon]

LOL

[small timber]

imo is to delink it from shark tooth necklace (since it was already not a stinger necklace upgrade), give sand shark tooth necklace the upgrade line

[hearty yew]

yes GOD PLEASE make this

stinger necklace does wat again

funky dead end vanilla acc that lets you stack two stns but nothing else

[small timber]

urr, 5AP + release bee + honey buff when hit or something

yeah basically

[hearty yew]

🥱

[coral carbon]

I feel like I know what you're talking about but I cant find it

[hearty yew]

1.4.4:
Have you tried combining (useless accessories) with (good accessory)?

No I haven't, why would I

[small timber]

the tldr is just because AP is so hard to balance it probably is better just to make its base material sand shark tooth necklace (maybe make great sand shark directly drop it or something) and give it a different offensive effect

[hearty yew]

Bonus Points: now you can't turn (good accessory) into (better accessory)

[Hyperlink Blocked]

[small timber]

idk AP is just wacky, give it too much it break the game, give it too little it barely matter

[hearty yew]

to be fair what do people even want for offensive effects

[small timber]

DSO and quiver of nihility like effect maybe, situational big boost

[hearty yew]

right now, actually, we are in a position where calamity has a metric fuckton of tank accessories and very few interesting mobility or damage ones. almost all of those are stat sticks. So we're trying to work on making the offensive and mobility accessories interesting

(For the purposes of this discussion, wings are mobility stat sticks, because they literally are when you think about it)

[small timber]

it is just tricky yeah, since current stat of offensive effect is pretty much emblem (or with crit) in most case

[coral carbon]

mr calamity dev please add a prehm accessory with +50% melee damage and when you use the nights edge specifically you inflict every debuff 🥺 🥺 🙏

[small timber]

I think mobility is going in good direction tbh, the recent one are not about just add/reduce movement speed anymore, like OD scale

[hearty yew]

one of the reasons I am hesitant to make offensive accessories have unique effects is because I want most offensive gameplay to be decided by weapon choice and not by your loadout

[drowsy plank]

i remember trying to come up with new water debuffs and coming up with shark bite and while making necklace inflict that would be funny that would kind of just turn it into abyssal amulet 2

[hearty yew]

if you have these meta offensive accs and they make every single weapon do kinda the same thing

it would get REALLY stale really fast

[drowsy plank]

that is fair

[hearty yew]

DSO is already borderline in this position actually

it's about as disruptive as I'm ok with things being

[drowsy plank]

rusty medallion literally just being another weapon's secondary effect on a preHM accessory

[hearty yew]

offensive accs have the danger zone of severely reducing playstyle variability

[drowsy plank]

make shark tooth necklace make weapons impale enemies with shark teeth on hit

[hearty yew]

by changing the game such that the items you're Going To Use Anyway because they're accessories now apply gameplay design pressure on the weapon space

[wide river]

Good enough

[hearty yew]

defensive and mobility items basically never limit weapon choice and thus don't reduce a player's options, merely increase them

thank you chief

[wide river]

Happy to provide suggestions shitposts

[hearty yew]

every single debuff including miracle blight

you know actually you could probably code this yourself in an hour or so even if you've never modded terraria before

[coral carbon]

😭

Is it unironically THAT easy ??

[small timber]

imo as long as a damage accessory is not selectively only good on specific weapon it is considered a fine accessory

this is how I personally see accessory balancing, namely damage accessory:
damage accessory do not necessarily have to boost your weapon in a unique way, it just have to present a reasonable choice with other accessories and not necessarily from the same category

because to me at the end damage accessory is just a way to boost your damage, and the choice is between whether you use said slot for mobility, defense, or a different damage accessory instead

so it never really occur to me if a damage accessory will become "meta", as long as it is not overly strong over other accessories (eg: if RTN just give like 200 armor pen or something) personally I don't really see it as a problem, because there is always a choice or argument to be made for different accessory even among different category

just some example: let's say new RTN is a purely damage accessory, there is still a choice between Amalgam, class accessory, Yharim's Gift, Dark Sun Ring, The Community's varied stats, Dimensional Soul Artifact which boost it even more at a cost, even Absorber which gives you damage while giving good defense and so on

at that that is exactly why I dislike AP: because it is a very situational accessory that can vary from boosting a weapon by like 1% DPS to 100% DPS (which is exactly "selectively only good on specific weapon"), which makes it super volatile and unable to give it large numbers, which is why the suggestion is made

and at this, the suggestion actually is not asking for unique effect, it is just some generalist stuff that can improve your damage in a different way

[sleek turret]

you probably need to like learn ultra basic c# syntax and just do the stuff to make your IDE use tmodloader or smth

[coral carbon]

christ

I would do that as a joke but It would require me to code

[grim tusk]

And then rogue and summoner have a lot of these… fun

I need to nerf Venerated locket

[wide river]

That one pin over in #voice-chat-4 is still relevant despite being two years old I see

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803805351786840125/838283841109098527/unknown.png i think its the only one left from this image lol

[bright crag]

And weapon effect variability to some extent
Can't use a weakspot gimmick in a weapon, because the DSO synergy would be disgustingly powerful

[deft yew]

Equipment design is so, so, so much easier in any game that’s not Terraria and any mod that’s not Calamity
Because the scope of things you work with and have to think about is like 10x smaller lol

[grim tusk]

Others to note:
Glove of Precision (cant wait for attack speed no longer affecting stealth)
Rotten dog tooth (debuff might need nerf or to be changed but hey at least its no longer better than filthy glove and lasts the whole game right?)
Coin of deceit line

[bright crag]

Comments like these are slightly reassuring
Started to look into C# today, and it's a bit intimidating tbh
But I'll keep going

[grim tusk]

Coding it yes
Making it balanced? HAHAHAHAH no

[drowsy plank]

C# is fine it's trying to understand what the fuck terraria's codebase is doing that has always stopped me from making any significant progress in modding myself

[bright crag]

Exactly

I know I'm in the easy part

[sleek turret]

just learn c# to code something that isn't terraria modding

[grim tusk]

shaders

[bright crag]

Tbh
As much as it is hard, shaders are something I would like to learn

[bright crag]

Not really much purpose, my goal with learning this is to (help) mod Terraria

[worldly sparrow]

X does suck though???

[sleek turret]

if it's your goal then keep it like that

[bright crag]

Yeah, but consider that knowing something is bad while also not knowing what to do about it/what has to be improved isn't exactly helpful

[worldly sparrow]

i was saying X as in twitter

[bright crag]

Oh lol

X does not exist. 🔫

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[wide river]

There's only 25 letters of the alphabet
It ends in wyz

[drowsy plank]

also looking back at the sugg

i dont think this one is a very good example of that tbh

xpc DOES brainstorm the start of some ways to improve the accessory, but suggs has always had a policy of keeping the solutions on the lighter end so the devs have room to do the brunt of the creative work themselves

so idk if suggs SHOULD have more involved explination on how to fix stuff then

id want to talk to the devs about how to change the rules to better fit what they want if this was the case

[wide river]

Be general with your suggestions, and only include what is most important when specifying what you want. Every important factor should have a reason behind it. Focus more on the problem that must be solved, rather than ideas for how exactly to solve that problem. The majority of a suggestion's content should be the reason why the suggestion should be implemented.
In short: Focus on the reason why.
Sounds about right ye

I'm not really one to speak on the matter though

[bright crag]

I do think this suggestion is an ok example, since it outlines the issues with the accessory (which is the most important part)

[small timber]

yeah I can't really give specific example yeah

[glass arch]

ap is way too fucky for an accessory line stretching the entire game

its a super volatile stat to work with

[bright crag]

I think the hardest part of dealing with such rework is figuring out what other identity we could give to the line, since the suggested possibilities aren't all that identifying considering the line's size and "lifespan"
Ironically, I think it would be more helpful to suggest more general yet meaningful identities
Though I'm not sure how that would be balanced by the "no specificity" rules

I guess we should wait for Ozz's input

[drowsy plank]

again yeah im mostly just hung up on that one comment from Ozz bc like
if this is the way he feels and something is wrong with the rules or how sugg works then like

i wanna know so i can talk with rover about how we could improve it to give stuff the team actually wants to see

lmao

[bright crag]

It's as if this suggestion was saying "Jungle attunement could be a vine whip"
While what we need is "Biome Blade could be a customizable weapon with biome-themed attunements"
You see what I mean, by "more general and more meaningful"?

Of course, they have to be very broad and general
And ideally, multiple suggestions so it's not "you should something like this and only this"

[drowsy plank]

the biggest issue with sugg-disc is that we can't send documents in chat and actually have people look at them so all suggestions have to be reduced down to the discord character limit

[small timber]

if I am to give a specific example, it will be like this:

SSTN

• 10% damage, armor crunch on hit

RTN

• 15% damage, armor crunch on hit
• combined with Lumenous Amulet and inherit part of its effect
• attack inflict Crushed Depth a different on-tier debuff that is water debuff
• OR Crushed Depth ignore enemy defense value and is buffed, and water debuff DPS multiplier as stat
• OR inflict typeless bleeding debuff ("razorsharp")
• potentially other effect

which I think will probably make it a lot passable since it will just be super centric on the idea I had (and that is not even that interesting)

[bright crag]

Is that... a doc?
I apologize, fellow Discord user, but

I ain't reading allat

[drowsy plank]

[small timber]

but yeah tldr is I just think SSTN/RTN should be armor crunch over AP, and then have a different benefit
instead of just damage + AP

[wide river]

Discord users when the suggestions are longer than two sentences (this is outrageous)

[small timber]

that is the only main idea I had, as for the other effects I dont think my idea will be nearly as creative as what they came out with recently

[sand marlin]

AP mostly exists to make low base damage weapons viable since they are gravely affected by enemy defense. That's pretty much its purpose, beyond that are likely sideaffects of the stat existing at all

[bright crag]

So, essentially
Turn it into a line that combines crippling debuffs

[small timber]

yeah, which gives it option to classes with no flask, or use their flask on other things

[sleek turret]

i love suggs that request incredibly minimal or small things into the mod

[small timber]

currently armor crunch is just you either use flask or you dont have it, unless you have absorber which IDK if it stack armor crunch since that debuff seems unique

[bright crag]

(That was simultaneously a confirmation, and an example of how you could word it in a general-ish way)

[sleek turret]

gotta be my favorite types of sugg ever 🙏

[drowsy plank]

icicle arrows moment

[small timber]

I think armor crunch is mentioned in the suggestion yeah

[wide river]

So true

[sand marlin]

Absorber uses a different debuff

[bright crag]

Yeah, though it only really mentions Armor Crunch
And one debuff doesn't make a line

As far as identity goes

And identity is one of the most important aspects of accessory lines

[sand marlin]

Armor Crunch is -15%, Absorber Affliction is -30%

[small timber]

yeah I think I should had explained it more clearly

[wide river]

If you want identity you'd ideally want a unique debuff
But debuffs that only exist on like two items are kinda... eh.

Sometimes they can be eh, but when done well are quite good

[small timber]

what it actually means is basically "instead of only giving AP + damage and nothing else because otherwise it will break the game, what if we make it damage + armor crunch while still able to add other stuff to it without making it broken"

[wide river]

I think if you want Armor Crunch on the Shark Tooth Necklace line you'd (probably) want it to be gone from Rotten Dogtooth in turn

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah I just realized you can get -95% DR reduction by stacking Marked for Death, Absorber Affliction and Armor Crunch

That's totally not gonna break something

[small timber]

I was surprise Absorber's debuff is that strong yeah

[coral carbon]

youtube commenters when they see more then 5 words in a comment "I aint reading allat"

[small timber]

since its baseline item is armor crunch only, and because of that dont stack with other armor crunch

[sand marlin]

I don't really get what that means

[small timber]

Absorber's material Baroclaw only give Armor Crunch to enemy when hit, but Absorber not only apply a stronger version (30%), but it not being Armor Crunch also means you can stack Armor Crunch on it

[sand marlin]

Oh okay yeah I was confused because of the wording I thought you were saying Armor Crunch and Absorber Affliction don't stack but you meant otherwise. Yep.

That's how you would get -95%

[distant gyro]

-95%?

it's 0.2975x

[drowsy plank]

maf

[coral carbon]

This is easily solved by basic reading comprehension

#suggestions-posting message

[pine star]

is the original poster blind?

[errant bobcat]

I think what they’re saying is since it doesn’t work in honey shimmer or lava only water

[wide river]

That is the case yes
I recall them bringing this up in a different chat

I would have to confim myself though

Ah ye, look at the Notes
It's possible that it's outdated, but until proven otherwise the suggestion is valid

[bright crag]

@paper torrent Too specific for no reason, so I'm flagging that

Besides, we do plan on reworking flamethrowers, with the 1.4.4 touch

[wide river]

I'm a bit confused why it brings up Terratomere and not flamethrowers, since that's the focus of the suggestion 'n' all
(There's also some concept art Bird posted over in Calart of potential flamethrower glowups iirc)

[crude geode]

I mean it makes some sense with the second half of the sentence

It just doesn’t spell out the point

That being if the terratomere was reworked cuz of terra blade reworks, then cal’s flamethrowers should also be adjusted cuz of the vanilla ones

[deft yew]

Of course I like Bird art, but that was more just for visuals to get them in line with 1.4.4, not about mechanics

[paper torrent]

That's why I said to maybe rework them with unique effects and gave some ideas. I take it if I didn't add ideas to make each one unique, it wouldn't be flagged? I don't want to come off sounding like I'm mad or upset. Because I want confirmation as to where that line for SIS is.

[small timber]

I think that is pretty much on the line of SIS yes

[paper torrent]

Though I do suppose that just the 1.4.4 touch is good enough. But noted. I mostly added the ideas because I was worried that you'd ask me or something.

[small timber]

when too many examples are laid out like that as the main point of the suggestion, even if it is just an example, it do make it pretty SIS-ish

[bright crag]

The ideas don't really need to be there, saying "rework flamethrowers" and presenting your reasoning would've sufficed
Doesn't help that your ideas are really specific

[small timber]

yeah, the suggestion should probably had been focued on "rework flamethrowers" rather than the ideas given to rework each flamethrowers

@pulsar rock if that is indeed happening that belongs to #1052323733961977947

[north oracle]

as it was released for the 1.4.4 port

[paper torrent]

For not providing enough information.

[hollow shell]

Tomer are you playing on 1.4.4?

[pulsar rock]

I think so yeah

[paper torrent]

Though if I remove the ideas in an edit, will it be unflagged?

[hollow shell]

Would be good to check the main menu to be sure
I think the last person that reported this was still on 1.4.3

[hollow shell]

Yeah

Would be good to replace the specific examples with further emphasis on how boring the current ones are

[paper torrent]

Fair.

There.

[hollow shell]

sure that's fine

tho I would include one or two more lines in there to explain what the "1.4.4 touch" means
As in, describe how the vanilla flamethrowers got unique conical spread graphics, while all the ones in Calamity still use a line of dust

[paper torrent]

Even if they got the 1.4.4 style, all I see those flamethrowera being are mere stepping stones for the Photoviscerator, which IS interesting to use.

Sure.

There we go.

@bright crag Fixed it.

[bright crag]

Looks good

@hollow shell Could you remove the exclamation?

[hollow shell]

Nice that's much better

[bright crag]

Alright, thank you!

[grave zinc]

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[sleek turret]

YEAAAAAA

[grave zinc]

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[glass arch]

yknow

i forgot there were like 50 suggs last period

[drowsy plank]

at least 2 suggestions

this is the power of top 20%..,.,.

also tfw the only person to get 2 in in one batch

[worldly sparrow]

nice

[north oracle]

cog W

[sleek turret]

i'm happy with my sugg going to dev

[worldly sparrow]

turns out that suggesting a lot means that theres more in the top 20%

which means more suggestions potentially getting in the game

[buoyant idol]

Time to submit low tier suggestions twice a day to get more to the devs

[hollow shell]

But also the more suggs that get in the top 20% then necessarily there is more suggs that got in the bottom 80%

Mediocrity-based economy

[north oracle]

time for one of those to get 300 votes for no fucking reason

[sleek turret]

i mean,
it's the small things that add up to the final product, isn't it?

[small timber]

time to cap 2 suggestions per day limit with super shitty suggestion so that more suggestions get sent at the end of the weak

[oblique geyser]

The suggestion has to thread the needle

[coral carbon]

"I dont like this weapon. okay remove it please!!!"

[oblique geyser]

Between being an actual good suggestion and getting flagged

Gotta be garbage enough to not get votes but good enough to not get flagged

[small timber]

"Nerf Plantera's Spore Attack"

I dont mean the one that release poison cloud, I mean the one that just move around where previously can be destroyed with damage, that one where its entire purpose of living is just cheap shot you. That attack is very annoying and hard to deal with (barely visible) along other Plantera attacks nerf please

[cobalt pewter]

honestly yea

[north oracle]

boss hard pls nerf

[cobalt pewter]

they bring little to the table

[oblique geyser]

Rework SCal entirely suggestions

[bright crag]

Meld Construct, Pirate Shop and Sentry Slot ae probably gonna get denied

[oblique geyser]

Or just suggest Shotgunk type stuff

[north oracle]

oh, so anything about nerfing stuff

[oblique geyser]

Wait that got votes fsr

[small timber]

Rename Gunk Shot to Gunkshot

either gonna get 50 votes or 300 votes

[cobalt pewter]

rename Gunk Shot to Shot

because that's all it does 🔥

[oblique geyser]

Remove Gunk Shot 💪🏻

That one would probably get sent though

[north oracle]

rename gunk shot to nothing because it doesn't exist anymore

[small timber]

err what othre shitty suggestion I can make

[worldly sparrow]

oh i have an idea

[oblique geyser]

Anything relating to sex

[north oracle]

if you want a suggestion that won't get votes, suggest to nerf things

[small timber]

"Buff King Slime's Crown Jewel's HP" ?

It is way too squishy you kill it in 2 seconds and the rest of the fight become a joke.

[oblique geyser]

(I think that would get flagged)

[worldly sparrow]

(things that arent weapons, accesories or armor)

[oblique geyser]

Ooh I've got one

[north oracle]

nah, just literally anything

[oblique geyser]

"Make Ravager's Head Invincible Again"

[north oracle]

(c tracers nerf sugg)

[north oracle]

reversion sugg

[glass arch]

i will kill you

[oblique geyser]

But balance stuff gets flagged

[bright crag]

[north oracle]

true

[oblique geyser]

We're coming up with intentionally bad suggestions

[paper torrent]

Calamitas' Hot Coffee.

[glass arch]

yes
but i will still kill you

[paper torrent]

Iykyk.

[crude geode]

Cal try to remove stuff challenge (impossible)

[oblique geyser]

Maid Calamitas shimmer skin

[paper torrent]

YES

[worldly sparrow]

epic sugg: give sepulcher contact damage

[oblique geyser]

No

[glass arch]

instantly flagged

[oblique geyser]

Infernum reference

Flagged because Fabsol hates infernum

[worldly sparrow]

good idea

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

epic sugg: replace all boss ai with infernum ai

[north oracle]

add infernum to the calamity mod

[fervent orbit]

replace all ai with fighter ai

[oblique geyser]

Readd Malice

[fervent orbit]

fighter ai is superior

[oblique geyser]

Exodus Mod

[bright crag]

It's moreso that we already plan to change Meld in general
So we could find an use for Meld Construct
If not, yeah, we'd delete it

[north oracle]

remove old duke

[oblique geyser]

Remove crabulon

[north oracle]

true

[worldly sparrow]

balance old duke

[fervent orbit]

what the fuck is an exodus

[oblique geyser]

Move OD post-DoG

[north oracle]

remove every boss not directly required to beat the game

[paper torrent]

Meld is basically the "celestial fragment" for the rogue class.

[worldly sparrow]

(the sugg is just removing the predictive dashes)

[crude geode]

Mfw suggestions never get implemented bc “plans are already in place”

[oblique geyser]

Old crappy 1.3 mod that had actual fighter AI bosses

[fervent orbit]

wa

why would anyone do that

[buoyant idol]

Make the Exo Mechs visibly catch flames when low on hp (Would this be allowed?)

[paper torrent]

No

[oblique geyser]

Remove the Exo Mechs 💪🏻

[drowsy plank]

sad! pirate relegated to do nothing FOREVER

[worldly sparrow]

make the exo mechs death sound a metal pipe falling in gfb

[bright crag]

Plans aren't really concrete, if they were we'd give a definitive answer
And it's not like we're doing nothing

[crude geode]

Sentry Slot at least makes sense balance wise

[oblique geyser]

Okay but this one is good

[crude geode]

(Sentries try not to be a balance headache moment)

[small timber]

with the current balance if anything removing stardust's sentry slot make more sense than adding more

[oblique geyser]

Remove sentries

[small timber]

because it will probably take a really long time before they balance summoner + whips before even getting to sentries

[worldly sparrow]

nice, ill sugg it

[buoyant idol]

I'd actually like to see the exo mechs catch flames when low on hp, the first time I saw them I thought they caught flames when low but it turns out it was just the aflame enchantment

[oblique geyser]

Metal pipe falling is really funny

[cobalt pewter]

die

[crude geode]

Hasn’t summoner + whips been in balancing hell for more than a year funnily enough

[worldly sparrow]

but how would i ever give a reasoning beyone "it would be funny"

[oblique geyser]

sdr eow

[cobalt pewter]

actually perish

[worldly sparrow]

screw it imma do it

[oblique geyser]

Idk just think of something

[small timber]

turns out reworking the entirety of summoner balance will take a year

[cobalt pewter]

and i bet it ain't even close atm

[crude geode]

Probably not

[small timber]

it will take a lot of time yes

especially if they still plan to do the minion slot amount rework thing

[coral carbon]

this community needs new jokes fr

[oblique geyser]

Yeah maid Calamitas is painfully unfunny

[cobalt pewter]

every big fandom will always have jokes that they regurgitate 24/7

[fervent orbit]

you see fab is my uncle and he told me shimmer scal is gonna be butler scal

[coral carbon]

wow!!! you get it????? its like, a female character!!!! wow!!!!! that's the joke!!!! maid!!!!

[glass arch]

noob you're british your opinion doesnt count

[crude geode]

^

[cobalt pewter]

okay tbh girls in suits > girls in maid outfit

and that's a fact that I'm not willing to argue

[buoyant idol]

What if gfb Draedon's pulse rifle was an actual pulse rifle and had a line telegraph instead? (It'll definitely not chain between players)

[coral carbon]

making jokes about british is funny but also I feel like in this server some people just use it as an excuse to be obnoxious to specific people 💀

[crude geode]

Shimmer SCal is just gonna be the big eye sprite

[cobalt pewter]

bri'ish been the butt of the joke to everyone really

[crude geode]

Yeah

[worldly sparrow]

ive done it

[cobalt pewter]

you just see it alot here because you're here a lot

bo'oh o' wo'oh

[glass arch]

no you see it a lot here because i say it a lot

[fervent orbit]

im coming for you, your friends and your family

[north oracle]

you should accept your britishness noob

[fervent orbit]

???

[hollow shell]

Damn it we really are having a new wave of "meme suggestions but it's fine because it's GFB right?" suggestions aren't we

[north oracle]

[crude geode]

Yes

GFB just needs to be banned

[cobalt pewter]

time to ban simple suggs and only let in suggs that are made by the galaxy brained individuals

[worldly sparrow]

look it aint against the rules yet

[oblique geyser]

That's actually good suggestion reasoning though

[north oracle]

and it would be funny

[coral carbon]

simply disallow gfb suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

honestly just

ban gfb suggs from suggs channels and just redirect them to Fab, see how that goes

[paper torrent]

... :V

[buoyant idol]

Better suggest mine before it gets banned

[hollow shell]

Based.

[worldly sparrow]

at least ban them after mine gets through and voted on

ok thanks

[drowsy plank]

it's your call, man
i mentioned this being an issue day one, so ban gfb suggs when you find it applicable lol

[cobalt pewter]

to my knowledge recent changes in sugg system would only apply to suggs submitted since then

so yeah, go throw em now

[small timber]

gfb aside

are we even sure "suggestion for the sole purpose of 'it would be funny' " is allowed to be suggested? even for gfb

[glass arch]

it isnt

its explicitly disallowed in the rules doc iirc

[small timber]

so yeah, it should be flagged regardless, even for gfb

[glass arch]

like yeah

its gfb

the entire seed is a meme

but the regular rules should still apply

[paper torrent]

My GFB sugg kinda went through to get voted on. So yay.

[worldly sparrow]

shit gotta add reasoning to my sugg other than two "it would be funny" in a trench coat

[small timber]

I think it slipped pass yes

[ripe owl]

There haven't been any clarifications for the GFB rules, which certainly is not a good thing and should be done sooner than later

[paper torrent]

I still think Brimspoon Elemental is a missed opportunity.

[small timber]

there haven't been any clarification for the GFB rules, but there is explicit clarification against "it is funny" suggestion

it is just somehow suddenly suggestion rule don't apply to GFB because

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message
honestly most of Amalgam's effects still need a rework, shaderain bs is so dumb

but yes give the potion thing earlier

[ripe owl]

Machine, it's called an oar, please stop calling it a "comically large spoon"

[small timber]

you know what let me just post this at this point

[paper torrent]

But yeah, GFB suggs should be banned sooner rather than later, as an addendum to the 'because it would be funny' rule.

[coral carbon]

"machine... I'm going to .... ultrakill.. myself..."

[cobalt pewter]

also I wanted to sugg something about Elec Glove

basically retiering it to post-Martians (aka post golem)

why? idk the gap between the gloves would be a bit more balanced, I spose?

[buoyant idol]

The potions between deaths actually hurts since they'll run out mid boss so you have to rebuff every minute.

[worldly sparrow]

honestly with this one im pushing my luck

[cobalt pewter]

idk how good it is currently

[worldly sparrow]

alr have 2 in this batch

[bright crag]

On we sweep, with threshing oar

[buoyant idol]

(Maybe the amount should be moved from 20% to 33%)

[cobalt pewter]

what kinda logic is that

if you die the buff is wasted entirely

so I'd rather take my buff dying in the 2nd or 3rd attempt than having to redrink them every attempt

[buoyant idol]

Yes, but would you like to find out your rage and wrath ran out mid boss without your knowledge?

[cobalt pewter]

literally quick buff

using that effect would significantly reduce the amount of potions you need to drink in boss attempts

[ripe owl]

So you still spend a second potion for a second attempt

[small timber]

you can literally just redrink potion yes

[worldly sparrow]

i swear if my gfb sugg is the first one of mine to get to dev voting and not the 2 good ones

[cobalt pewter]

I swear do I have to make a time chart

[buoyant idol]

I know, but I'd have to press it every so often. I know this sounds dumb but it really did get annoying. Perhaps I should just be more careful using it.

[coral carbon]

it is quite dumb

[small timber]

you just press the button when you spawn

did they removed the "quick buff automatically use all potions" function?

[cobalt pewter]

IT'S LITERALLY MORE OFTEN TO QUICK BUFF EVERY TIME YOU DIED????

the effect would reduce the amount of times you'd quick buff from once every attempt to once every a few deaths

[buoyant idol]

When every buff is a different length, it doesn't work so simply.

[cobalt pewter]

I don't understand the logic against this effect

it's 100% beneficial

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps a chance to not consume potions would be better? I'd pretty bad at explaining it and it seems to be a me issue.

[cobalt pewter]

no fuck rng

[small timber]

it make potion by default last 2x the duration yes

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^

[buoyant idol]

Fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

you get double duration AND much less potion consumption overall

[buoyant idol]

I like the double duration, but the save between deaths trips me up sometimes. I guess I'll check my buffs after I die to see if I need to reset them.

[crude geode]

It’s literally a beneficial effect

[novel belfry]

DONT YOU FUCKING DARE

[deft yew]

it will

pretty sure it will

we live in a it-would-be-cool society

[worldly sparrow]

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps I should explain the issue I had specifically.

Fights a boss, dies.
Insert other buffs here have 10 min+ durations
Rage and wrath have 1, but I don't notice
Fights next boss with rage and wrath running out instantly but I don't notice

[cobalt pewter]

generally I'd like to know immediately that my buffs are down, but that's a qol thing separate from this

[sleek turret]

daniel: "it would be cool"
the cooler daniel: "it'd keep consistency with x and y"

[buoyant idol]

Maybe it pauses buff duration during bosses for select buffs (duration 30 second plus)

Nvm sounds like a bad plan

[small timber]

yeah the poison meter should be removed, you should just take 40 damage per second for being far away from the head

[crude geode]

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-brains-calculation-viral-head-gif-26479585

[buoyant idol]

That's worse than Providence's holy inferno isn't it?

[novel belfry]

at least with providence, the radius is big enough

this radius is actually too small

[small timber]

now how many suggestion rules did I violate

[crude geode]

Idk

Anyways I love GFB difficulty Nerf suggs as if GFB isn’t meant to be a massive fuck you to the player for existing

[small timber]

idk I am waiting for GFB Scal buff

GFB Scal is way too easy right now

[worldly sparrow]

yeah gfb scal is incredibly disappointing

[drowsy plank]

that's just cirrus

[novel belfry]

sisyphus

its the sisyphus seed

[worldly sparrow]

yeah but i talkin about scal

[pine star]

one must imagine him to be happy

[small timber]

waiting for the 30 seconds bullet hell 10 bullet hell per fight GFB Scal with every single hellblast replaced with gigablast in BH10

and 1% HP desperateion phase Sep3 with BH happening for the rest of the fight

[novel belfry]

had to literally beat MECHDUSA first, i might have to go for cal clone too

[worldly sparrow]

when gfb changes were first being made i was thinkin like, the bullet hells persisted through any phase that isnt damage

[crude geode]

more like sussyphus

[wide river]

🧯

[small timber]

if there is nothing else wrong about the suggestion I will just put it there first
and hope there is no 500 different comments about how we should just add Dreadon firing at player with m134 minigun for the entire Thanos beam duration in Death Mode instead

[pine star]

I like the idea of making the pulse rifle accurate to the game

[cobalt pewter]

I was wondering if this gfb thana attack is much different but this is pretty much what brimmy has set precedence on

slightly less crazy bullets would work in dmode I spose

[unreal orbit]

I’m happy that my chronic detail to attention has made it to the devs also thanks for the stars people!

[novel belfry]

okay it turns out that bloodflare core practically nullifies the boosted poison meter

so i beat him
PHEW MY GOD

[cobalt heath]

Sadge the rework of obtaining blobs didnt go trough

[small timber]

@frank viper reference suggestion is disallowed, and also what does overwatch have to do with terraria, in particular a terraria mod?

[frank viper]

it was just something i thought of

[small timber]

"it will be funny" is a reason that is explicitly stated as disallowed for suggestion

[frank viper]

oh

casually deletes it

[small timber]

but yeah, it is also because overwatch really have nothing to do with terraria at all

[frank viper]

fabsols status really fits up with the suggestion

[ashen warren]

@north oracle

[stable kiln]

you are leaving the ocean

that is not how you are supposed to fight the boss

if you just run away from the boss nonstop, obviously it'll despawn

[north oracle]

^

Just… don’t leave the biome where the boss is meant to be fought

[ashen warren]

oh, when i finally killed it i was in the crimson

[stable kiln]

why do you fight the boss like that..?

[ashen warren]

dont they get engraged anyway

in deathmode

[stable kiln]

no

[cobalt heath]

enrages got removed

[stable kiln]

thats malice

[north oracle]

No
They enrage when you leave the biome they’re meant to be fought in

[stable kiln]

no they didnt

[cobalt heath]

ah

[fleet flume]

That's odd. I can see some edge cases where that makes sense, but not really much else. Why were they removed? Find out in part 2!

[stable kiln]

they were not removed

some boss area enrages were removed

most of them are still in the game

[cobalt heath]

kill enrages for most bosses

[stable kiln]

no

there is a reason area enrages exist

[cobalt heath]

(to be a pain in the ass for no-hitters)

[stable kiln]

the nohit rules dont allow you to just use the entire world for a nohit

[cobalt heath]

ik but arena creation for no hitting is a pain in the ass. Though I just use premade world files

[stable kiln]

thats why there is a nohit world

[ashen warren]

do they look any different when they get enraged

[cobalt heath]

nope

[ashen warren]

i kind of destroyed my ocean biome

[stable kiln]

they get faster

[cobalt heath]

you know when it happens

[stable kiln]

if you use the calamity healthbar instead of the vanilla healthbar, the health bar goes red instead of white when bosses enrage

[cobalt heath]

because like yharon becomes a race car

[ashen warren]

they really werent that hard to kill idk then

though i did use the plagued smg with the drones tho cuz i was tired of waiting for them to spawn in my 8 block or so deep ocean

[ashen warren]

forgot that u could turn on the mgr healthbar in the settings until a few hours ago lol

is he even enraged here? he really didnt seem that fast

[bright crag]

Can't you move the flight bar?

[hollow shell]

What am I looking at

in that sugg

[north oracle]

So I’m confused what the second half of this is even talking about

But you can move the bar

It would be nice to have it toggle to horizontal tho

[bright crag]

Yeah, definitely seems like it

[hollow shell]

(Oh I've actually never seen the new flight time bar before. Looks quite pretty)

[north oracle]

hence why this new sugg asking to change the appearance or smthing is just bizzare

I might actually write a sugg at somepoint about adding an option for turning the bar horizontal

[hollow shell]

@fleet flume ^

[north oracle]

Because I would like to put it above my character

[hollow shell]

Half your sugg seems to be about the bar being in an inconvenient location but if you can move the location then that's moot

[cobalt heath]

I would personally have it be similar to the stealth meter, where it follows the player

[north oracle]

If you move it to right next to the player, that’s what it does

[cobalt heath]

oh

Nice!

haven't gotten that far in my update playtrough yet to have wings

[fleet flume]

What? That's strange. Another problem I was interested in though is the fact that the flight time meter decreases as soon as you press space, which is why I suggested that it be in units.

[hollow shell]

wdym? Should it not start decreasing as soon as you press space?

[slow snow]

bro flight time meter just got put in

[cobalt heath]

they might mean it starts when you jump, when you don't fly

[fleet flume]

I think it feels wrong to know exactly when it happened, and to have the flight time just 2% lower than 100% just bothers me. Having cells would be a way to purposely reduce the clarity and not get in the way and have you micromanage every 0.2 percent of the flight time.

[hollow shell]

That would be a very hard sell
Trying to convince people to have information be taken away from them

[cobalt heath]

I mean having exact numbers is why the bar is so great

it's not guessing anymore

[fleet flume]

I suppose so. I'm new to game design, but I know it's important to take risks. An alternative would be to have it go slightly out of the window, so that when it's only slightly empty, it won't show because the empty bit is obscured.

[hollow shell]

Can you elaborate more on this issue of the flight time only being slightly depleted?

[cobalt heath]

I mean why remove information

[hollow shell]

Like, is it some jank or unintended interaction? I'm having a hard time imagining why it's a problem that... flight time starts to deplete when you start flying
considering wings replace your jump with flight

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[fleet flume]

I saw it first when I was using the hook, where when I pressed space for a single frame the flight time depleted immediately

[cobalt heath]

so it reduces while jumping?

that's what I am getting

that sounds like a bug

[fleet flume]

It reduces when canceling the hook, because you fly for a single frame

Or even longer

[hollow shell]

Well, no, because afaik when you equip wings there is no "jumping" anymore. It's all flying now

[cobalt heath]

well that's intentional

[hollow shell]

yeah
Exactly

[cobalt heath]

you fly

[hollow shell]

That little bit of flight did indeed deplete your flight time

[fleet flume]

Yeah it did, and that's not the problem. The problem is that it shows, for everyone to see. It looks extremely unpolished, and it bothers me a lot.

[crude geode]

How?

[fleet flume]

I don't know what you're even talking about anymore, and neither do you know what I'm talking about.

[hollow shell]

Is your real problem that there isn't a way to disengage a hook without starting to fly?

[fleet flume]

Yeah.

And please don't add a keybind to do that

[hollow shell]

Yeah I wasn't considering it

[north oracle]

So what you actually want to make a suggestion about is to make cancelling a grapple not consume flight

[fleet flume]

No, that's not really what I ---- wait a minute.

That just might work

Maybe you can fly for, say, a quarter second without consuming flight time, but then it deplets

*depletes

Fledgling and Skyline wings would need a change though

[hollow shell]

Hm

[fleet flume]

I suppose the quarter of a second from earlier could be a stat added to each pair of wings.

[hollow shell]

I feel like

1. This may just be a bother for you that isn't shared by most other people
2. The 'best' solution here would be to make wings not replace your jump, they'd either activate at the height of your jump, or work like any other double jump or rocket boot and only start if you press space again while in the air.

But that would uhh, kinda fundamentally change a pretty integral mechanic of 2/3rds of the game

[crude geode]

I have a feeling 1 is the true answer

I do understand why, because having wings replace jump sometimes doesn’t make sense, but at the same time I’d rather get the speed from wings immediately without having to break my thumb

[fleet flume]

I don't think changing things like a quarter of a second of flight time would affect most of the community.

[cobalt heath]

yeah exactly

it would not affect the average player

[hollow shell]

People could complain about the exact opposite of what you're complaining about now, if we changed it 👀
"Why doesn't flight time on the meter immediately start depleting? It's frozen at the top for a few frames"

[crude geode]

^^^^

[cobalt heath]

and you need to make changes in mind with your average consumer, otherwise the product dies

[fleet flume]

Huh. I suppose that could be annoying. What a dilemma.

[hollow shell]

Well more importantly, suggestions are voted on by the public

And the less people share Nlqas's pet peeve, the less stars their sugg will get

[fleet flume]

That's true.

I think I'll have to change the suggestion to something else entirely.

[hollow shell]

Yeah, I think you'd have to do that anyway
It was a bit of an overdesigned solution

[fleet flume]

Yeah.

[cobalt heath]

I mean you can try to program the idea into your own mod, and present it later on?

Heard you make game design

[hollow shell]

(Game design =/= programming)

[cobalt heath]

I assumed they program

[fleet flume]

I don't do much of that

I don't have ANY Terraria modding experience, only game design stuff. I don't even know the language that Terraria uses, or any of its features.

[hollow shell]

Alright this suggestion is better

[hollow shell]

(Terraria is programmed in C# (C Sharp)
using the now-deprecated Microsoft XNA Framework) 👀

[fleet flume]

Wait a minute... Do you have emojis for every single Calamity item? Every, single, one? Or is that one an exception?

[cobalt heath]

((aka it's a very aged framework))

[hollow shell]

"but the problem is that other solutions have the opposite problem, where it doesn't deplete"
This line in the sugg may not make any sense to people who weren't here for this conversation

[hollow shell]

? Did someone send an emoji of a Calamity item?

[fleet flume]

@ Piky, Biggest Dork has some sort of Terraria item on their custom status. *Please note that the space there was intentional, as to not ping someone irrelevant to this conversation on the current level.

[hollow shell]

Ah nah they have Nitro so they probably just have that in their own server

I don't think that is even an item, yet
iirc it's the dev item that they want to eventually have implemented

[golden tulip]

isnt it in infernum

[hollow shell]

If it is
neat!

[golden tulip]

i forgor tbh

[fleet flume]

It would be interesting if an emoji existed for every item, but it could just be that Discord doesn't have those capabilities. Plus, it might be hard to find the other emojis. Perhaps something like item_trapper_bulb would work.

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah would ya look at that, it's on the WIP wiki
https://infernummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Items

[golden tulip]

yep

[cobalt heath]

discord has an emoji limit

[hollow shell]

You could definitely do it with enough servers to fill up emojis slots with
It'd be a project though

Either way, this is offtopic

[golden tulip]

shift clicking an item in discord chat lmao

[fleet flume]

Alt-clicking

[golden tulip]

ye

anyway

[fleet flume]

flying. We were having a long and detailed, and probably boring to the average person conversation about flight

[hollow shell]

byeah

The suggestion you have right now works fine and will get into voting in 24 hours

[hollow shell]

I do think this line would be weird to the average reader
but if you don't wanna remove it or can't think of anything to change it to, then, that's ok

[fleet flume]

Ah I just figured out what that was. And I can't really think of much else. I'll spend a minute on it.

Does that seem better?

[hollow shell]

How about
"... but it really bothers me. Initially, I thought that the developers could solve this by making it so the first few frames of flight don't deplete the meter. But when other people realise that the flight time doesn't deplete for a second, they might get annoyed as well."

(I don't mean to backseat, I just thought I'd help out with how to provide context)

[fleet flume]

I just had another idea, that would make things even worse!

What if, when you're close enough to the ground, flight time resets?!

Maybe a few pixels

Another, mostly unrelated concern I have about flying in video games

I could go all day about flight in Terraria if I really felt like it.

Until it escalates to suggestions for suggestions for suggestions for * * * * * .

[hollow shell]

That would indeed be even worse because it wouldn't even solve your unhooking issue

[fleet flume]

Yeah. It would be a completely different thing. Perhaps rework the entire flying system! Certainly not a suggestion that violates any rules and doesn't get the interest of much of the community!

No this is definitely, definitely interesting and compliant with the rules.

[small timber]

1. having wings don't really "replace your jump", if you jump your normal jump height distance it don't consume flight
2. in fact with balloon if you dont hold the space button it don't even start consume your flight
3. "canceling hooks" deplete flight time because you used flight to boost yourself after the hook canceling (for this you should blame hook cancel being on same button as fly/jump if anything else), flight time is consumed when you are flying

there is no "using wings replace your jump" or something like that, if your jump is still within jump height it don't consume flight, if you used flight you use flight time, as simple as that

it is just you assumed a lot of action "is not really flying" when infact you did fly

[fleet flume]

I don't get your point

Also a completely different note, how have you not chopped down a tree yet?

[north oracle]

The power of not doing playthroughs

[fleet flume]

The real secret behind the achievement percentages on Steam

[small timber]

tldr is for the suggestion, your flight time decreased after you cancel hook is not because of "your flight not refilling to the max", you in fact did fly for a bit during cancelling hook

and "flight time refuse to deplete on demand" is because you are still within your jump height distance

both of which are not "unintruisive", that is literally how it works: you used flight therefore flight time deplete, you don't use flight therefore it don't deplete
it has nothing to do with flight metter being unintruisive, it just shows how many flight time you have left

[fleet flume]

I think I get it a little more. The place I found annoyance at is where the flight meter slightly depletes no matter what you do when you cancel a hook and have wings on.

[small timber]

it depletes because you did indeed fly during the hook cancelling, because the hook cancel and jump/fly is on the same button

[fleet flume]

So we're talking about what's purely on a technical level now?

Last time we changed the vanilla controls, a bunch of people got confused. When they find out that their ungrapple button isn't working, it would get a lot worse.

[small timber]

hook cancelling with/without wings comparison

when you press hook cancel/space, it automatically use flight, you can see that with a wings even if I press hook cancel the same way with wings it fling be way lesser because it is attempting to use my skyline wing to change the momentum

so tldr is "your flight bar decrease after hook cancelling" is in fact intentional, because you did fly during the small time, not that "hook cancelling don't refill your bar to max"

[fleet flume]

Where did you get that quote from at the end?

[small timber]

so it have nothing to do with flight time bar being unintruisive, it is literally just showing how many flight time you have left

your suggestion is focus on "flight time" and the "meter", I will assume you are talking about flight time meter

[fleet flume]

No the other one

[small timber]

so if anything the suggestion should be "rework hook cancelling automatically spend your flight" or something, or "an option to not automatically spend flight after hook cancelling" something like that

[fleet flume]

Maybe it should be an edge case scenario to not consume flight time for a few frames after cancelling the hook. Perhaps something hardcoded.

[small timber]

it is both intentional and unintentional, intentional because spending flight automatically on hook cancel means you can change direction immediately without having to press space bar twice (which makes movement more controllable)

unintentional in that the game don't really offer an option if you dont want to do that

[fleet flume]

I'm not sure which universe we'd have to press [SPACE] twice to change directions. I was just thinking that flight time wouldn't go down in that period.

[small timber]

flight time go down during that period because you flied after hook cancelling

after hook cancelling (which uses Spacebar), it automatically go into flying mode and spend your flight time, which is why the meter goes down

[fleet flume]

Perhaps wings could only consume flight when the speed isn't much higher than the vertical speed. Something where flying wouldn't matter.

[small timber]

the problem here is that there is no option to "not go into flying mode automatically after hook cancelling", not "flight time meter goes down after hook cancelling"

[fleet flume]

I'm not talking about the meter.

I'm going to go afk for a few minutes.

Feel free to talk about flight without me in that time

[fleet flume]

This conversation is over?

I guess it is

[halcyon zealot]

Please don't narrate stuff like this 😭

[crude geode]

Mfw we’re one step away from ‘dead chat’

[fleet flume]

That happens every now and then.

[halcyon zealot]

You may have a better chance asking redigit on X to tweak flight

[fleet flume]

I don't have X. It's a new thing right?

Out of all the letters in the alphabet, X is one of my least favorites. It's basically useless for all things, and I know there is xyz, but we could just use zyw instead.

[buoyant idol]

Ecks gotta be a letter

[halcyon zealot]

It's just twitter

[fleet flume]

I know. I'm just bothered by the change

[halcyon zealot]

Valid, it became one step closer to being a porn site

[fleet flume]

There's no real reason to name it to X. None at all!

[odd geyser]

It's Elon Musk being obsessed with that letter

[polar lake]

jus call it twitter

[halcyon zealot]

You're right but also no

[grim tusk]

Hover wings on their way to become op as shit again

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck is this suggestion even asking at this point

all im hearing so far is the bar is working as intended and that is annoying the guy, which seems like this would be way too much work to fix something that just is not an issue

maybe if wing flight had a sound like rage but

cant you just disable the meter if it bothers you this much

i figured

[round ravine]

Has anyone suggested to make the Perforators invulnerable when one of its worms is alive?

[golden sonnet]

That's how it used to be

[royal tapir]

It was only with the large Perf but yeah

[ripe owl]

Cause that was weird and boring and why was it even a thing

[royal tapir]

I think around 1.5.1.3 they made several changes to remove invulnerabilities from bosses

[ripe owl]

Yeah

I remember when Rev EoC became invincible during day

[brazen minnow]

This post is underrated, the Plague NEEDS more themed things to it and ambience. Plaguebringer goliath could even be fought in a plagued hive/workshop thing. I just think this is a wonderful idea.

[quiet kernel]

I mean jungle lab is plague themed

And stuff

So it could be extended

[brazen minnow]

That's it

Almost like a miniature astral infection but underground jungle. Or at least a nudge in that direction.

[small timber]

plague minibiome is planned

[brazen minnow]

How do you know?

[small timber]

the developer said themselves it is planned at some point

unless their plan change in the future

[brazen minnow]

ok

I wonder if they'll ever add a subworld

[stable kiln]

there wont be a plague subworld no

as for overall, distortion will be a subworld when that is worked on

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message you can just cancel hook by hooking again without pressing space/jump.

GP did this on jumpless, you just hook to somewhere that your hook won't reach and you will have already cancelled your previous hook

[halcyon zealot]

I think holding S then jumping works too

[buoyant idol]

@ashen warren You can buy the marrow from the Skeleton Merchant I'm pretty sure.

[ashen warren]

yeah its really rare and chance based to find him though i said in the post

when you find the merchant im pretty sure its still rng if he even has it

[small timber]

skeleton merchant is not that rare at all

[buoyant idol]

It's 100%, also a zerg potion and hunter potion make him incredibly common.

[small timber]

if you want to you can even pop a zerg (I think it still work) and it spawn in like 30 seconds

yeah

[buoyant idol]

Lifeform Analyzer arrow from alch npc works too if you use that, but it's still useful otherwise.

[ashen warren]

ive used tons of zergs but never found him

[buoyant idol]

There's only been one item that I though was unfair and that was the frost barrier.

[buoyant idol]

Were you using an analyzer and/or hunter potion?

[ashen warren]

yeah and battle potion to make the spawn rates even higher

just generic cave enemies

[buoyant idol]

Were the background walls brown?

I doubt this is a case of bad RNG.

[ashen warren]

it was the stone background (cavern)

[buoyant idol]

How deep? Lava layer?