the void is quite possibly one of the most relevant enemies to the lore
#suggestions-discussion
worldly sparrow
neon tree
Ah yes the biome is an enemy.
neon tree
No-
north oracle
The void is the bottom layer of the abyss
neon tree
^
worldly sparrow
yeah thats a layer of the abyss, not a biome
neon tree
It's a biome-
worldly sparrow
layers 2 and 3 are also seperate biomes then
north oracle
And is more relevant to the lore than calamitas’s brothers
worldly sparrow
then what is the point
neon tree
Have you not been reading what I'm posting?
north oracle
You need more reasoning than “they should get more lore”, because that’s already being added
neon tree
I thought I made the point clear
neon tree
You need more reasoning than “they should get more lore”, because that’s already...
Howso
worldly sparrow
yeah there's already plans to give basically everything more lore
neon tree
Nobody said this cause nobody tells me shit so how was I supposed to know
worldly sparrow
even the most basic of enemies
neon tree
yeah there's already plans to give basically everything more lore
Shut up I'm not talking to you
worldly sparrow
Shut up I'm not talking to you
🥱 dont care
north oracle
There’s no reason to suggest to add lore items to 2 boss minions when everything is already getting more lore that will help answer those questions
neon tree
You missed the whole point but mkay whatever
north oracle
Then you need to express that point in your suggestion
worldly sparrow
fr
the point of the sugg from the description looks like it would logically be "give cataclysm and catastrophe more lore"
north oracle
And if that’s not the point, then all the suggestion reads as is “add this because it would be cool”
cosmic karma
Nobody said this cause nobody tells me shit so how was I supposed to know
people tell you shit if you ask
drowsy plank
I feel like this is lack of reasoning
north oracle
There is no valid reasoning in there 
worldly sparrow
but its literally included in a future plan (lore items arent needed theres other ways to tell lore)
drowsy plank
Twins both individually drop a trophy. Anahita and Levi both have individual trophies. The CalClone brothers also have trophies. Hell, the fucking event bosses have trophies. That's not a basis for them to have lore items
cosmic karma
mourning wood lore 
worldly sparrow
dark mage lore ooa isnt canon
worldly sparrow
just give normal enemies lore items
drowsy plank
thorium minibosses type beat enemies that drop lore items would be kinda based tho.,.,.,...,.
worldly sparrow
heat spirit lore when
north oracle
…tureue
drowsy plank
how about heat spirit removal
wide river
(Somehow cei’s probably got some)
Dedicated content because it's dedicated to Christmas 
north oracle
Bosses drop lore items, not minions
Sometimes they drop items that provide clarification on the wider world
worldly sparrow
*Bosses* drop lore items, not minions
Sometimes they drop items that provide cla...
^ if boss minions had lore items we'd get into the territory of servant of cthulu lore
north oracle
Oh god
wide river
Spiked Slime lore
worldly sparrow
bee lore
drowsy plank
pinky lore 
worldly sparrow
i sure cant wait for eater of souls lore
sleek turret
endangered animals
bold wave
Corite lore
worldly sparrow
true eye of cthulu lore
north oracle
Fearless Goldfish Warrior lore
bold wave
Tesla Turret lore
north oracle
Fearless Goldfish Warrior lore
(this does actually exist)
wide river
Dev leaks smh
north oracle
omg this random enemy has lore
drowsy plank
@neon tree okay yeah, im gonna flag this for now on the basis of a lack of reasoning. there are plenty of countercases as to why the brothers shouldn't have lore items, even a lot of lore relevant entities and items don't have something like lore items right now, and even bosses like calclone have lore items that don't even really explain things, so i dont see any reason the brothers should have lore items. if you want lore for the brothers, they'll be getting some in the bestiary next update, but you need more reasoning as to why they should have lore items specifically if you still want to go through with this.
dense ferry
Hey wouldn't you like to know what Bestiary is about?
bold wave
There's no Plantera's hook lore in the bestiary 
sleek turret
plantera spore projectile lore
north oracle
bobbit worm lore
bold wave
bobbit worm lore
It eats people
worldly sparrow
the end
north oracle
ture...
odd geyser
Hey wouldn't you like to know what Bestiary is about?
Such a bestiarying moment in this channel
north oracle
bobbit worm beastiary entry:
Nom
north oracle
calamity lore leaks omg
bold wave
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_aphroditois
It looks so huggable
worldly sparrow
yharim lore item:
"i cannot write this at the moment as if you are reading this, i am dead."
sleek turret
bestiary needs to have full animal taxonomy with references and stuff.,..,.
worldly sparrow
wait, lore item lore when?
sleek turret
yharim lore item:
"i cannot write this at the moment as if you are reading this...
"My name is Yham Nir Walt, I live in Dragon Aerie, New Jungle 589-
bold wave
bestiary needs to have full animal taxonomy with references and stuff.,..,.
What species is Calamitas?
wide river
wait, lore item lore when?
Lore lore when
swift wharf
woman
sleek turret
reads 50 shades of ashes
bold wave
Good one
swift wharf
fire book
bold wave
Hellfire
bright crag
Donor lore when
bright crag
Hey wouldn't you like to know what Bestiary is about?
Also this
crude geode
Donor lore when
True
sick belfry
donor lore for roxcalibur, roxcalibur for the worthy, as we just carry it front brunt strength
wide river
Honestly I think it could be neat to make lore (non-canon of course) for donor stuff
I might try my own hand at it after the bestiary rewrite
drowsy plank
the virili lore 
worldly sparrow
genuinely wondering, why does the terratomere not have the meowmere in the recipe despite its name ending in "mere"?
worldly sparrow
that sounds like a reason to rename the weapon
bold wave
Earth blade
bold wave
Green sword
drowsy plank
the string bean :)
worldly sparrow
rename terratomere to "terra weapon thats way outside of the terra tier"
ashen warren
terrathon
small timber
in 1.4.4 shimmer should generate at spawn point in ftw I think imo iirc
50% lava 50% shimmer all around the world, including shimmer ocean
drowsy plank
sounds good to me 👍
okay but idk
i guess this is probably worth changing because it should at least be, yknow, playable. but overall ftw is just a meme seed at the end of the day so i wouldnt be suprised if they just ignore this
but that's the only reason im not flagging it
wide river
I can understand it being borderline unplayable (like bosses being nearly impossible without dumb strats), but if you have no chance immediately upon spawning, don't you think that's too much?
glass arch
cal seems to want the meme seeds to be really fuckin dumb and batshit insanely hard BUT winnable
will you go through absolute hell doing it? yeah probably
will you be able to win? yes, its fully possible to win every fight
ripe owl
Does Cal treat ftw like a meme seed?
I don't think it really is one tbh
Maybe that's just me
wide river
Does Cal treat ftw like a meme seed?
I believe so
Nearly every discussion I've seen about it in #1042197406776827914 has had devs refer to it as a meme seed, so I would have to assume it is
earnest raptor
If it is not, why planetoids are spikes?
earnest raptor
have you seen ftw provi
Is it both enraged and nightly?
glass arch
Is it both enraged and nightly?
no it is smaller than profaned guardians
earnest raptor
Right, I forgot about string of changelog entries, where bosses were just stated to be microscopic
ripe owl
have you seen ftw provi
Yeah
small timber
a lot of the changes are memey with 0 consideration of balance yes
earnest raptor
Okay meme sugg idea
small timber
just not to the extent of absolutely unbeatable yet (which will be gfb)
ripe owl
I just don't think that FTW (wtf) is a meme seed in itself
glass arch
the balance is added later
glass arch
Okay meme sugg idea
instantly denied
glass arch
just not to the extent of absolutely unbeatable *yet* (which will be gfb)
gfb wont be unbeatable
worldly sparrow
gfb was unbeatable at one point apparently
earnest raptor
Okay meme sugg idea
In FTW, if boss has lyrics in its theme and it is smol, the lyrics should be sung with speedup used to get that meme voice sounding
ashen warren
was my suggestion that bad lol
small timber
like for example exo's ftw changes is straight up bullshit, but you also have like crabulon which barely change other than somewhat more aggressive
glass arch
stip has confirmed this (i think it was in #1042197406776827914 but i dont remember)
glass arch
was my suggestion that bad lol
nah we just got offtopic talking about ftw as a whole
ashen warren
i don't mind yharon's dash dealing 4000 damage but having a lava spawn a lot of times is pretty eugh 🤷
i know it's impossible to beat ftw in hardcore, just wanted to see how far i can get until i inevitably die
wide river
was my suggestion that bad lol
If a suggestion is truly bad, people here would be talking about it for actual hours unless a moderator deletes it
Usually a couple minutes of discussion with a bit of being offtopic is around normal
glass arch
just very very very very very very very unlikely
earnest raptor
In FTW, if boss has lyrics in its theme and it is smol, the lyrics should be sun...
or maybe just make entire themes high-pitched, the smaller the boss is, the higher pitched is its music theme
ashen warren
5 worldgen in a row all had lava spawns
drowsy plank
like for example exo's ftw changes is straight up bullshit, but you also have li...
crabulon really just never can win huh
small timber
ftw should be just baseline death crabulon and it will be fit as a death mode fight
bold wave
Now that I think of it, I'm less sire abt this sugg 😭
Cuz the Seraph Tracers inventory sprite has six wings, which is indeed how many wings seraphim have
So, if no sprite changes are foreseeable, I would rename Seraph Tracers to Celestial Tracers, and come up with an entirely new name for Celestial Tracers.
Tho I think this would still be better
ashen warren
Elemental Tracers is the cliche choice
earnest raptor
Godslayer Tracers 
ripe owl
sand marlin
have you seen ftw provi
ripe owl
vestal bronze
she deals contact damage doesnt she
bright crag
gfb wont be unbeatable
(Ideally, yes)
(Honestly it'd be really eh if it was outright unbeatable)
Don't expect it to be fair, though
fervent orbit
ok but can the gfb bosses survive 10 idiots throwing themselves at it
bright crag
We shall see
small timber
make gfb multiply their damage number by number of player currently surviving
10 player = 10x damage
lavish condor
and make respawn time 10 minutes while a boss is alive
small timber
you dont respawn for the rest of the fight when boss is alive
golden sonnet
I feel like the AEW suggestion should not have made it through
It doesn't even address the fact it's caused by the player enraging it
regal willow
this
fervent orbit
@ rover
wait was
grr i need to scroll up now
cog was there but didnt rlly say anything about the sugg itself
frosty trellis
Don't expect it to be fair, though
I never did, which is why I'll be fighting bullshit with bullshit
bright crag
frosty trellis
✨ Water Arena's ✨
oblique geyser
(Ideally, yes)
(Honestly it'd be really eh if it was outright unbeatable)
I hope it's beatable but not nohittable
Just give wall of flesh guaranteed damage or smth
frosty trellis
Just give SCal unavoidable damage during every bh
worldly sparrow
just turn scal into a touhou boss
frosty trellis
Make nohitters suffer and entire PT only for the end to be impossible
small timber
just give scal 5 more BH each harder than the previous
with the 5th BH being the same difficulty
bold wave
Brimstone Omniblast
worldly sparrow
just give scal even bigger spreading brimstone blasts that fire even more darts
oh yeah btw yall i finally fixed my x key
small timber
gigablast that ignore blocks that is predictive and homes into you, and explode into more darts with extra darts that curve
worldly sparrow
just make all blasts ignore blocks
small timber
and make all BH projectile have a random projectile speed between 50% to 200% for each individual projectile
and each BH last 30 seconds instead of 15, with the final BH 10 lasting 1 minute
"guys new gfb scal nohit world record, I got past bh1"
worldly sparrow
also give normal duke predictive dashes just like his grandpa
bold wave
What's the earliest predictive projectile/enemy?
oblique geyser
also give normal duke predictive dashes just like his grandpa
That's basically malice Fishron
Which was hell to nohit, but possible
worldly sparrow
well malice is gone except for in boss rush
small timber
what makes you think gfb will not have malice + ftw AI by default
oblique geyser
what makes you think gfb will not have malice + ftw AI by default
Because gfb seems to be a bit more creative than malice
small timber
they can also just implement said creative AI on top of malice base difficulty to make gfb
tired haven
Just give wall of flesh guaranteed damage or smth
Giving guaranteed damage just cues community into making it an exception
Making it technically avoidable but excrutiatingly rng/difficult/both to achieve is a lot better 
the rot will consume itself in its hatred
bright crag
Which was hell to nohit, but possible
It was alright
The one issue was that p4 has no indication
In the prediction part, Calclone was much worse
Post-bh2 Calclone 
small timber
Fishron phase 4 transition suggestion attenpt no.N (it never get enough votes because shotgunk is more important)
fervent orbit
hoping gunk shot sugg gets denied
who cares if a reference isnt fucking 1:1 or some shit
a reference doesnt have to be in ur face
worldly sparrow
but its high demand!!!!!
daring dagger
GO RESPRITE YHARIM PLS
wide river
What did the user mean by this
hollow ridge
I'm expecting great things
dapper apex
Yharim is now wearing banana armor
ashen warren
worldly sparrow
dont see why not
ashen warren
Yay
halcyon zealot
There's a list of items like that recorded somewhere
I believe they're getting detailed descriptions while holding shift
ashen warren
Guh
small timber
I dont think I had fairy boots
that one is mostly for wrong information/tooltip that can be misinterpreted
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18T4kYEf5srOd-6Hei4m9WnVoNwCN7aEy/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=100257730182736306914&rtpof=true&sd=true you might be referring to this if I am not mistaken
wide river
Yes it's a repost
#suggestions-voting message
small timber
it missed the batch so it can be repost yeah
and we all know it will get dunk by like a suggestion that want to rename Megalodon to Omegashark anyway
oh since when did the seraph tracer rename get marked with a 🏁
well I guess we have seraph tracer as the name of the stupidly overpowered post-Yharon boots now
distant gyro
it wasn't very close
ripe owl
Bot is dead 
bold wave
It took over two and a half years for that one to pass
Again, I don't necessarily think it's a perfect solution, but I do think it's better than the current naming, and should work with potential resprites better.
small timber
they can also just rename celestial tracer, literally
instead of swap the name, which the sprite now don't match because the luminite tier seraph tracer is actually 6 winged like a seraph
bold wave
Only the inventory sprite. The player sprite is four winged
worldly sparrow
well then just remove the extra wings from the inventory sprite
bet even i, an amateur could do it
distant gyro
x tracers isn't that good in the first place imo
worldly sparrow
true dat
tracers doesn't really describe the accesory well
like
just rename the entire line
cobalt heath
Reduce the amount of coins needed for late game reforging
As of now, some of the later weapons need upwards of 3 platinum per reforge. This amount is absurd, as even with the fastest money making methods (killing bosses and selling loot), this grind can take over half a hour to get the wanted reforge. This doesn't sound bad, but when you take into account the other resource gathering etc which you need to do for late game gear, it becomes extremely painfull. Yes, nothing mandates you to get the best of the best reforges. But even then, you really do want the best possible reforges for maximum dps for bosses.
how can I improve this
cus It sounds really whiny to my ears atm
small timber
I cannot remember the last time reforging cost is a problem
you know you can literally just make a suggestion that solve the problem better
like making accessory reforge cycle instead of completely random, or cannot roll the same
small timber
like making accessory reforge cycle instead of completely random, or cannot roll...
referring to this basically
getting the same reforge when you click the reforge button just feels weird (mainly on accessory since weapon stay at highest tier except summoner which can roll ruthless)
it just depend on the approach of less rng = cycle or more rng = just don't roll the same
cobalt heath
alright on it
Remove the possibility of getting same reforges while reforging, reset the cycle after getting all of them
As of now, reforging items is heavily rng based. It wastes time, coins and makes the person go insane at times, spending more and more coins to get the wanted reforge.
Thus, I would suggest making reforging less rng based with a new invention, set cycles. This way, you could not roll the same reforge twice before every other reforge has been gotten. This would make reforging way less rng based, and making the player know that they will eventually get what they want. Along side it, I would add some kind off stopper, similar to how some Hypixel Skyblock mods work. This would stop rolling after you get the one you want, as it's extremely easy to miss the reforge
@small timber
small timber
yeah seems good, not much to complain about it, short and simple
(though the hypixel one probably can remove, because I don't think the game can determine "the one you want to get")
because you might want warding, or menacing, even violent, the game don't know
small timber
I mean then they probably have to implement an additional UI for it, I think just set cycle is good enough
cobalt heath
it stops when the texts match
small timber
unlike Hypixel there is not much reforge to cycle through, especially when it is on a set cycle
on in another words, this + Silent is literally 7 reforges only
cobalt heath
true but as a person who is color blind it is rough seeing it as I cant see the rarity change
small timber
and that is counting Arcane, which probably should not be on the cycle
small timber
true but as a person who is color blind it is rough seeing it as I cant see the ...
cal currently already roll your reforge to highest tier first
eg: Hard -> spiked -> Armored -> Menacing -> Menacing -> Warding ... and then you can only get highest tier
cobalt heath
oh I didnt know that
small timber
it is not true random, it is just still random within the highest tier
cobalt heath
Ah then
then that's fine
cus it isnt that bad if you miss it
I thought it's like vanilla where it's pure rng
ashen warren
it still is pretty much rng at times
distant gyro
arcane is on the cycle?
small timber
no arcane is not
distant gyro
isn't arcane roll 3 always
small timber
the assumption was just referring to the suggestion proposing "set cycle", if arcane should be included (it shouldn't)
tbh I seriously think arcane should be buffed even if just as a random buff, just so it is not totally worthless
I think you can give arcane like, 2% mana cost reduction per reforge and it will still be worse than Menacing by a good amount
it probably need to be like 4% mana cost reduction per reforge for it to finally catch up to menacing and only on high mana consuming weapon like aetherflux cannon and yharim's crystal
cobalt heath
mage rework moment
small timber
what I mean is they dont have to wait for mage rework
everyone know arcane is complete dogshit right now
cobalt heath
-> suggest
omg it's the fucking meme again
hold on
I love you eclipse for making this
cobalt pewter
do you really love the meme if you don't have a dedicated folder just for that meme
(yes that's a real folder I've had for a long time)
hollow ridge
at the general su
nd wants every p
hollow ridge
cobalt pewter
this was his response about pinning the quote
cobalt pewter
ah
yeah no, if a massively influential quote made by one of the former devs ain't pinned, that meme has no chance
you're better off doing what I did
cobalt heath
I don't think rover as an admin want's to hate on the average player
cobalt pewter
admittedly there is a meme in pinned but it's very inside joke-y
I don't even know what it's about
north oracle
lmao
cobalt heath
oh it's just a cog meme
I need more ways to minmax the game
it's one reason I love calamity, everything is possible when making builds
and minmaxing is good
swift wharf
do you really love the meme if you don't have a dedicated folder just for that m...
is the folder made so google photos doesn't backup the image and delete it
cobalt heath
we need to ask rover to pin the image
cobalt pewter
is the folder made so google photos doesn't backup the image and delete it
nah it's just so that I don't need to sift through my gallery to find the image
but I guess that might've taken effect as well, never realized
ashen warren
Last one didn't get enough attention did it
Ye
small timber
and then this one just get a straight 🏁 slam into its face
oh right bot is still down I think
oh wait no yours is the fairy boots one not the celestial tracer one
ashen warren
eager bobcat
Reforging still sucks
Somehow even with the changes, it barely feels different than vanilla reforges
It's fine for weapons, but accessories are so bad
stable kiln
well for accessories you always get the highest possible modifier, so it'll always be the 4% instead of it being something completely random
sand marlin
It's fine for weapons, but accessories are so bad
Nah it's infinitely better than vanilla reforges even for accessories
28 less options are 28 less options
I meant 21
eager bobcat
Which, in theory, means that getting the reforge you want is a 20% chance per roll
But I'm convinced something is broken because I have to roll 15-20+ times more often than I dont
marble moat
sometimes the reforge system is annoying if you want to get a "suboptimal" reforge and the game just refuses to give it to you
this mostly happens with things that want smth like "light" and are instead stuck with "legendary"
tacit parrot
you can turn off the reforge rework and then get it
cobalt pewter
this ain't the case with cal rework on weapons
I think
?
unless you meant the choice between Legendary and Light on some weapons
I thought it'd cycle
tacit parrot
pretty sure you can still get light on pickaxes
swift wharf
You can
oblique geyser
sometimes the reforge system is annoying if you want to get a "suboptimal" refor...
Why would you want a suboptimal one
(at least in 1.4.4+)
Murderous dragon breath is what I can think of but that's getting patched
marble moat
Why would you want a suboptimal one
hamaxe :)
novel belfry
Murderous dragon breath is what I can think of but that's getting patched
What?
worldly sparrow
Murderous dragon breath is what I can think of but that's getting patched
isn't ruthless actually the best for some weapons if you don't need more crit chance?
fervent orbit
ruthless isnt suboptimal
worldly sparrow
ehh yeah
eager bobcat
The Wand
grim tusk
@cobalt heath Just disable remove reforge rng in the config
Your suggestion is also a big scale rework to the already existing remove reforge rng function
small timber
I think the suggestion is pretty much is just you cant roll same reforge in a row after getting highest tier
so it is a modification on top of existing reforge, rather than like a different rework
that or to also make is cycle like Menacing -> Lucky -> Warding -> Violent -> Silent -> Quick -> Menacing -> Lucky ... or something like that when reaching highest tier
oblique geyser
isn't ruthless actually the best for some weapons if you don't need more crit ch...
Murderous is only the best on dbreath because it has a usetime bug
worldly sparrow
yes i know
oblique geyser
that or to also make is cycle like Menacing -> Lucky -> Warding -> Violent -> Si...
What about arcane
swift wharf
the solution is to make each reforge unique
random talon
That won't be hard for the devs at all 
swift wharf
deft yew
oblique geyser
We need a +2 damage +2 defense reforge
worldly sparrow
we also need +1 defense +4 dr reforge
bold wave
the solution is to make each reforge unique <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
One can dream
wide river
Hmm
Is the bot down? I haven't seen any notifs in a while from it
grim tusk
@inland saddle bot followed LTG’s advice
inland saddle
gaunt tiger
I think fairy boots should have the fairy stuff removed tbh
it is further wikigame gaming because in vanilla they lock you out of the terra boot crafting tree, so you don't make them
or just make them required to make terra boots that'd be sick
swift wharf
They're an alternative
A really strong one
I don't think we should add more effects to terraspark
wide river
Nah make Terraspark Boots the Auric Tesla of accessories
Just throw random stuff in it until it's so bloated with effects that it's incredibly broken
swift wharf
Give it the effects of all boots yes
wide river
Add Hellfire Treads and Amphibian Boots
This will surely not be an issue for balancing
worldly sparrow
nah
add hellfire treads and amphibian to the angel treads
also add a miracle matter just so its locked behind exos, which at that tier you wont really need boots
wide river
Fargo's Soul Mod be like
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blazing kettle
glass arch
cog
wide river
I wonder how this one's going
I assume it's just taking a while to vote on, so I'll keep waiting for a result
#suggestions-voting message
worldly sparrow
im glad that the "Make the Old Duke feel more balanced" sugg got basically nothing
wide river
Aye, me too
worldly sparrow
that mf is meant to be hard
wide river
Considering it shouldn't have gotten through to begin with, it's only fitting it was near the bottom of its group
worldly sparrow
fr
gaunt tiger
A really strong one
they're so strong as to make the terraspark boots useless
not that anyone would know that without reading the wiki
or nearly useless
fairy boots being in the tracers would be a good compromise since they are almost universally agreed to be worse than wings
novel belfry
Actually
gaunt tiger
or make the fairy effect its own item
novel belfry
That would be cool, tracers could even spawn their special critters
Their own fairies. Imagine that
swift wharf
please do not buff the treads line more
first of all it's definitely not a wiki item
it's made with both spectral boots and flower boots which the player can very much check in what it's used for
gaunt tiger
they're a vanilla item that is actively unhelpful to craft because it isn't in the terraspark recipe
tulip wedge
is there a updated version of calamity mod 1.4.4?
frosty trellis
Hence: Making it too much of a wiki game when base terraria already is
swift wharf
they're not used in terraspark in vanilla either
gaunt tiger
is there a updated version of calamity mod 1.4.4?
it's on the way, also wrong channel for this
swift wharf
same with amphibian boots
frosty trellis
is there a updated version of calamity mod 1.4.4?
A: No
B: tMod 1.4.4 is still in beta my guy
swift wharf
and hellfire treads
small timber
let me just put it this way: you are suggesting that if an item have a remotely unique effect it should be just inserted into a massive combination item because alternatives are not allowed to exist
like ankh shield should just have laudanum because who would try to use it as a stand alone
hellfire treads should be included into terraspark because who would fish up the lava waders, it is better to just insert it into terraspsark
etc etc
swift wharf
I don't see your point
gaunt tiger
they're not used in terraspark in vanilla either
the fact that they're not in terraspark in vanilla is why you don't make them in vanilla
small timber
the fact that they are strong on their own is a REASON to MAKE THEM IN CALAMITY
I dont see your point
swift wharf
you don't make this item in vanilla is such a weird argument
like the mod gives reason to use it??????
gaunt tiger
but there's no indication that they are a damage accessory
small timber
it is, in fact, the reason fairy boots are given that effect in the first place
gaunt tiger
why would flower boots + spectre boots be a damage item
gaunt tiger
defense whatever
swift wharf
then that's an issue with flower boots tbh
gaunt tiger
also if they give you move speed doesn't that just make them strictly better lightning boots
small timber
it is being described in the tooltip of the item itself
people can use guide to see the recipe and its effect, or they can use recipe browser
swift wharf
lightning boots is a weird thing to mention considering instant upgrades
small timber
that is, in fact, most of the time how you see the effect of a combined item
swift wharf
and it does not make terraspark useless
novel belfry
Problem is that it doesn’t say its stats
worldly sparrow
hey yall, what's today's #suggestions-discussion argument?
swift wharf
because it doesnt have effects that terraspark does
small timber
Problem is that it doesn’t say its stats
yes, the problem is that it doesn't say the exact stat it give, which is why that suggestion is posted
gaunt tiger
it wastes a pair of spectre boots which is cringe
swift wharf
Problem is that it doesn’t say its stats
what does that have to do with any of this
small timber
not the fact that "fairy boots is not in terraspark boots"
worldly sparrow
are yall talking about an upgrade to terraspark or smth?
swift wharf
and you find a lot of running boots
novel belfry
I can’t believe we’re arguing over boots in the goddamn calamity mod discord server
swift wharf
it does not waste anything
small timber
are yall talking about an upgrade to terraspark or smth?
inserting fairy boots into terraspark boots because "it require wiki and make terraspark boots useless"
swift wharf
it's like saying an alternative nights edge wastes lights bane
worldly sparrow
inserting fairy boots into terraspark boots because "it require wiki and make te...
...
small timber
or for now "waste a pair of spectre boots" somehow
worldly sparrow
bruh
gaunt tiger
I think it's unhelpful to have a boot item be a dead end, when famously calamity makes the boots crafting tree very long
for new players, or even returning players
small timber
when you get like excessive amount of hermes boots that will be useless past your first pair
swift wharf
wha
worldly sparrow
I think it's unhelpful to have a boot item be a dead end, when famously calamity...
ok finally, something i can disagree HEAVILY with
novel belfry
There’s a ton of boots in vanilla that are just deadends
swift wharf
merging everything into one item takes it uniqueness away
small timber
that is the POINT
worldly sparrow
you do not need boots after early hardmode ends
after that your wings are fast enough
swift wharf
not everything needs to become some ultimate fucking accessory
worldly sparrow
and you'll be spending most of your time in the air
small timber
to make standalone item useful because they are not limited by the limitation of being forced into a combination therefore their effect must be incredibly mediocre at best
gaunt tiger
merging everything into one item takes it uniqueness away
it would be an interesting opportunity to make terrasparks require slime god gel (I forget the item name)
swift wharf
because they end up being boring mixtures of previous items
novel belfry
Angel Treads
swift wharf
wh
gaunt tiger
aren't angel treads post mech
swift wharf
then do that without merging it with fairy boots
small timber
no we simply don't need a second The Absorber syndrome where it combine like 7 different effects and 6 of them is useless and 1 of them is just a stat boost
worldly sparrow
because they end up being boring mixtures of previous items
^ bundle of horseshoe balloons moment
like
gaunt tiger
no we simply don't need a second The Absorber syndrome where it combine like 7 d...
so then why is it ok to do it with fairy boots
worldly sparrow
we do not need the purple and amber horseshoe balloons in the bundle
swift wharf
stop adding ultimate accs for the love of god
gaunt tiger
it's just lightning boots but with stats
worldly sparrow
that would make a for a boring amalgamation
gaunt tiger
it's literally just lightning boots but with stats
small timber
so then why is it ok to do it with fairy boots
exactly because fairy boots is NOT a combined mega accessory
therefore it can be actually given unique and good effect, because it don't have to be balanced around being combined
worldly sparrow
if you really want the definitive ultimate accesory just download fargo's souls
worldly sparrow
oh yeah and while you're at it incorporate that into the tracers line
small timber
the current status of "mega combined accessory" is to water down every single effect until only 1/2 effect of all the materials stay relevant
so what is the point of said mega combined accessory
gaunt tiger
I think you're really underselling how counterintuitive this is, because you know the item exists in this state
swift wharf
then
make the item more knowledgeable????
gaunt tiger
I think it's absolutely fine to make the tracer line, of all things, give you the marginal stat boosts of fairy boots
and I think you're overreacting in bad faith because of your opinions of the absorber and other mega-acessories
swift wharf
and putting it in spark line forces you to craft two spectre boots
gaunt tiger
it could be a subsitute item
"any flower boots"
swift wharf
tracers already have wings in them does it really need defense regen and more speed
sleek turret
can't like tracers be it's own line
gaunt tiger
tracers are worse than wings tho
swift wharf
yes , because they have a boot in them
oblique geyser
Remove fairy boots fr
swift wharf
then that is on you
worldly sparrow
and also I don't like crafting tree dead ends
DOWNLOAD FARGO'S SOULS
novel belfry
and also I don't like crafting tree dead ends
EXACTLY
swift wharf
give a final upgrade to all items it will be fun trust me
small timber
you know what will happen if fairy boots is combined into tracers?
it will just lose the fairy boots effect, completely
novel belfry
There’s too many vanilla boots that were randomly added in 1.4 that just end up as dead end upgrades to the Hermes+ boots
small timber
just like how tracers just don't retain the desert speed
novel belfry
just like how tracers just don't retain the desert speed
That’s also stupid
gaunt tiger
maybe adding this effect to fairy boots was cringe in the first place
worldly sparrow
while we're at it, let's just add the frog gear to these new boots
small timber
because turns out the effect is really good when you get every single other boots effect in the game on top of the stat boots fairy boots give
gaunt tiger
and it should've been "fairy charm" or smth
swift wharf
Or it would make people see fairy boots as just tracer meterial
material*
I mean if there's already an item in the game...
novel belfry
Since the terra boots also have the extra mobility on ice
drowsy plank
most normal sugg disc convo
swift wharf
A better solution would give a fairy effect to flower boots instead
small timber
because that sandblock mobility is, unsurprisingly, super broken
worldly sparrow
It’s stupid
*imbalanced
drowsy plank
bc dunewalkers are a type of boot, while ice skate is its own accessory
small timber
that is just what happen to "mega combined accessory", you water down every single unique effect they have because balance
swift wharf
vanilla dumb 
small timber
hence why it is better to keep them as "powerful single, non-combined accessory"
swift wharf
terraspark should be a late game item fr
small timber
hence fairy boots
swift wharf
pre nerf insignia
worldly sparrow
download the calamity community remix
swift wharf
worldly sparrow
terraspark should be a late game item fr
didn't cal once lock it behind plantera?
novel belfry
didn't cal once lock it behind plantera?
Angel Treads
That’s a post mech upgrade that calamity did first
gaunt tiger
ok ok hear me out
sometimes, an unchanged vanilla item should be the best item for something
novel belfry
So… I don’t think so
novel belfry
ok ok hear me out
sometimes, an unchanged vanilla item *should* be the best item...
Poor Zenith
gaunt tiger
I think that's a litlle bit of a problem with cal balance
worldly sparrow
I think that's a litlle bit of a problem with cal balance
dont even get into that territory man
small timber
turns out in this case said vanilla item is a literal cosmetic item therefore it will not be the best in anything
swift wharf
I remember angel treads being post aerospec
small timber
cal literally give that item a purpose outside of being cosmetic
worldly sparrow
fr
drowsy plank
oh yeah bc of reasons im pretty sure terraspark are actually faster than fairy, fairy just has some nice stats on top of it with very little loss in speed
worldly sparrow
we have a balance thread
small timber
and it is literally an item you can discovered from exploration in the jungle, and a recipe you can see by checking the guide (which is a literal most important vanilla function) or recipe browser, in the game
swift wharf
don't forget water walking and lava walking and lava charm effect aha
gaunt tiger
also doesn't having a fairy nearby give you luck
fairy boots are considered on tier with lightning boots btw
swift wharf
I don't really see how luck is really relevant in this context
small timber
why will it not be on tier?
gaunt tiger
crit is a dps gain
small timber
the entire terraspark boots is pre-boss
drowsy plank
luck doesnt effect damage stats in cal
novel belfry
fairy boots are considered on tier with lightning boots btw
According to the wiki, it’s better than the lightning boots
gaunt tiger
oh fr?
drowsy plank
yeah
worldly sparrow
terraspark as a whole is preboss
gaunt tiger
According to the wiki, it’s better than the lightning boots
it is, which is a bit weird
worldly sparrow
so adding fairy to that would be
gaunt tiger
maybe terrasparks should require a boss material and include fairy boots
worldly sparrow
an imbalanced clusterfuck
drowsy plank
yeah i thought someone removed that but regardless terra are actually faster someone did the testing
it's like 39 vs 41 so usually fairy are better for boss fights but
worldly sparrow
maybe terrasparks should require a boss material and include fairy boots
alright, we're in retiering territory now
drowsy plank
they're about even
small timber
luck affecting damage is deliberately removed yes unless it somehow bugged out and is hard to test because rng
gaunt tiger
alright, we're in retiering territory now
retiering is important to discuss sometimes
worldly sparrow
yeah
swift wharf
kill damage variance iirc
worldly sparrow
its just that i now have a 3 in a row
i have a bingo card for #suggestions-discussion arguments
novel belfry
yeah i thought someone removed that but regardless terra are actually faster som...
I think purified gel is a good way to retier it, even if that’s literally the easiest way
gaunt tiger
i have a bingo card for <#465195069406707722> arguments
how helpful to discussion
small timber
the entire point of damage varience is that it don't matter outside of actually making sure you don't deal a bunch of static same number damage
worldly sparrow
how helpful to discussion
not every message has to contribute to the discussion
gaunt tiger
I think purified gel is a good way to retier it, even if that’s literally the ea...
thas what I was saying
small timber
terraspark is not broken, nor does lightning boots, it don't need retiering
lightning boots is just spectre but with some movement speed, and terraspsark is lightning with QOL but requires grinding
gaunt tiger
maybe nerf fairy boots' speed very very slightly, so that they're a tradeoff from lightning
and then have them combine into terraspark after slime god
worldly sparrow
though i do think boots in general become pretty unneeded after plantera as your wings start getting exponentially faster
gaunt tiger
making boots better without making their movement better is a good idea
I feel like this is a good place to start looking at ways to do that
swift wharf
I wish there was a flower boot upgrade who did that
swift wharf
and boots that buffed dot dmg
worldly sparrow
yall lets combine the fairy boots with the terraspark boots, no balance issues whatsoever
gaunt tiger
maybe nerf fairy boots' speed very very slightly, so that they're a tradeoff fro...
eyes. use.
worldly sparrow
ive used them
swift wharf
ignore the defense and regen aga
novel belfry
10 defense in pre hard mode is nothing to scoff at
drowsy plank
add fairy boots to angel treads this surely will have no long term repercussions
swift wharf
the evilmaxed solution is to kill angel treads to tracers recipe
and put fairy boots into seraph instead
novel belfry
Fuck, thats actually the same as that one accessory that slows you down
gaunt tiger
oh I love the slow shield
novel belfry
But the fairy boots speeds you up
gaunt tiger
taht thing is goated
swift wharf
something like that I don't remember
worldly sparrow
and put fairy boots into seraph instead
wait noooo, but that's making the tracers line imbalanced
celestial tracers are already almost better than drews wings
swift wharf
something something
fairy boots → seraph
angel treads → smth else
worldly sparrow
not really
swift wharf
idk
worldly sparrow
we aint merging them together
swift wharf
fun fact they swapped celestial with seraphs name
worldly sparrow
that quick?
novel belfry
What are the chances that I look into fandom wiki and find a “Celestial Aegis”
worldly sparrow
What are the chances that I look into fandom wiki and find a “Celestial Aegis”
low
celestial tracers are integrated into the verboten one
you know
the soul of eternity equivelant
novel belfry
What if I just made one up
worldly sparrow
things dead anyways
novel belfry
Fair enough, we’re beating a dead cnidrion here
small timber
oh right @drowsy plank (since Rover is not online), what you you think about the reforge suggestion?
Since I think Shade exclaimed it misunderstanding it as asking for a new reforge rework when it is basically an addition on the current system
drowsy plank
i personally thought it was fine, just poorly explained
i wouldnt want to remove it without talking to shade tho since they are the dev here
fossil robin
I just found out how OP the terminus actually is. You can despawn all enemies and bosses with no penalty if turned on and off! No drops though and no cancelling other events from what I noticed. Should we add a penalty to the terminus for abusing its despawn mechanic too much?
fossil robin
I know that, but say you're in a tight spot with hundreds of enemies waiting to finish you off. This can be especially overpowered in a hardcore playthrough provided you utilize it correctly during a boss fight. It also could be obtained after the giant clam!
small timber
the mod is not balanced around hardcore, and to get Terminus you need to dive abyss tier 4 in the first place and with a hefty delay on activation
and unless you are starting a moon event you can just block yourself in a large house and 90% of enemies can't touch you anyway
and of course cosmolight exist, can even recall, or even logout
wide river
I wouldn't say we need to punish the player for using the Terminus, but maybe it could have a small cooldown to not get abused?
small timber
it already have like a 5 second activation delay no? I don't see the purpose of putting a small cooldown on it
if it truly cancel and despawn everything you only need to use it once
but yeah tldr: if they want to do it the best approach is just to put a literal boss checklist on it
to show that you literally have to do every single boss in the game before it can be activated
because otherwise Terminus is actually a spoiler for later bosses anyway considering you technically can get it at post-Polterghast easily or even earlier (ignoring how unlikely it is for you to reach pass Polterghast with that tier of gear)
fossil robin
It's basically Thorium's removed true penguin wand, or Thanos's snapping of his fingers in a way!
wide river
because otherwise Terminus is actually a spoiler for later bosses anyway conside...
If someone is skilled (or stupid) enough to get the Terminus before Polterghast, I'm pretty sure that "spoiling" the rest of the bosses is of no worry
Most bosses would kill the player before they have at least post-Polterghast gear anyway in Boss Rush, so much so that the player likely wouldn't make it past the pre-Hardmode bosses even if they're highly skilled
fossil robin
Amidias's blessing is OP provided you no-hit speedrunning your way to the bottom of the abyss, and not getting spotted by something powerful!
Without Amidias's blessing in pre-hardmode, I could easily run out of air JUST before I reach the shrine on a large world even with proper abyss exploration gear!
ashen warren
If someone is skilled (or stupid) enough to get the Terminus before Polterghast,...
me and my friends killed boss rush desert scourge with pre plantera gear but that's besides the point
pine star
me and my friends killed boss rush desert scourge with pre plantera gear but tha...
also that's Desert Scourge of all bosses
fossil robin
I feel like I could beat the King Slime with pre hardmode gear tbh, given enough patience!
ashen warren
What 
crude geode
What is blud talking about 🗣️
worldly sparrow
mf using proper grammar on discord
i do not trust people who use proper grammar on discord
wide river
Don't worry, they just talk like this (provided you're referring to Speedymatt)
novel belfry
booopitty boop boop
wide river
Don't worry, they just talk like this (provided you're referring to Speedymatt)
(Not meant in a negative way btw)
scenic pine
ashen warren
also that's Desert Scourge of all bosses
but that's besides the point
i dont think terminus needs a lock
swift wharf
I know that, but say you're in a tight spot with hundreds of enemies waiting to ...
you could also leave the game
sand marlin
also if they give you move speed doesn't that just make them strictly better lig...
Running speed =/= movement speed
Also amphibian wouldn't make sense on anything upgraded from rocket boots considering rocket boost is not a convenient movement option without wings which automatically gain flight time by replacing it
I like the idea of combining a lot of things but let's just leave that to Souls 
sand marlin
There’s too many *vanilla* boots that were randomly added in 1.4 that just end u...
Sailfish -> Amphibian
Dunerider is easily faster on sand, though useless for running after asphalt
Flurry -> ??? remove this item lmfao it is completely redundant
Hermes -> The og
They are good alternatives... for the most part
Fairy boots in vanilla is just convenience for faster flower effect without having additional boots so it's not really good
small timber
flurry can have a bottle jump or something weird in its upgrade path (not vanilla)
but tldr flurry is just a reskin hermes for ice biome, it don't really have to be unique
sand marlin
As long as it doesn't use rocket boots I'd be down for extra jumps
ashen warren
Sailfish -> Amphibian
Dunerider is easily faster on sand, though useless for run...
did you guys forget that those boots still have the vanity appearance
not everyone plays mainly for combat
small timber
did you also forget that this mod is 90% about combat, be it boss or not, and you can still use combat item as a vanity?
cobalt pewter
there's a reason vanity slots exist
I find purely vanity accs dumb when the slots exist in the first place
but ig it can be funny every now and then
small timber
sure they don't have to give like, moon lord mask or whatever a combat effect; but for like different boots to boost their unique identity? sure why not
cobalt pewter
one thing I would like a mod do is to unbind vanity and functional slots on 1.4.4 loadouts, so you can separately cycle between vanity accs and functional accs
small timber
1.4.4 loadout kind of already does that so yeah
cobalt pewter
that's what I'm referring to
ashen warren
one thing I would like a mod do is to unbind vanity and functional slots on 1.4....
this tbh
so i can have the same vanity on all my func loadouts
without painstakingly changing each one to their own slot
cobalt pewter
the concept behind 1.4.4 loadouts is GOOD, don't get me wrong, but there are lots of things it can improve on
ashen warren
did you also forget that this mod is 90% about combat, be it boss or not, and yo...
i was referring to the remove this item lmfao it is completely redundant
small timber
oh ok ya, sorry I misunderstood, I thought you are referring to the part about giving each boots unique effect
ashen warren
and since we're going that route not all combat items have vanity appearance
small timber
but yeah the purpose of flurry boots is just a reskin hermes for ice biome, I dont mind it too much
ashen warren
i want to be able to customize my character so i can kill bosses in style
small timber
the tldr of item sprite is wait for cal art server submission and thats it
cobalt pewter
Flurry is the oldest Hermes variant I think?
small timber
because there are just many items where if you try to sprite it it will likely become too small or too obscure to have any vanity effect, like Core of the Blood God, Reaper Tooth Necklace, The Community etc
best you can get is like, The Sponge have a shield sprite or something
cobalt pewter
Sailfish only recently got an additional use thanks to Amphibian Boots, and Dunerider is fairly fresh
at the very least Flurry still serves to do what Hermes can, which is fine enough
Bloody Machete on the other hand
I'm 100% positive Re-Logic just forgot about that weapon entirely
when Bladed Glove of all things got a resprite
sand marlin
did you guys forget that those boots still have the vanity appearance
Well the vanity they provide isn't really much different from each other
And you can use dyes
If they actually looked cool it'd be another thing
ashen warren
sometimes dye doesn't cut it
it's really personal preference, but you can't outright remove a vanilla feature out of the blue
sand marlin
This still doesn't really matter as their vanity is just unimpressive and if kept like that they are better off gone
Only instances here are flurry and fairy though
They all use the same style of boots and really all the difference is the little color variety they've got
ashen warren
tbf we could say the same thing for a lot of blocks can't we
sand marlin
If you see blocks that are functionally and visually the same, go ahead
Even something as simple as Wood has a different texture
And other wood types have their unique textures among furniture and platforms and walls
The problem here is more that the boots are shaped exactly the same
And feel more like exact copies of each other besides the colors
swift wharf
flurry, like the other ice biome accessories, is just a reskin yeah
except that the others aren't a reskin and I mean ice mirror
tired haven
Ice Mirror IS a reskin tho 
tired haven
except that the others aren't a reskin and I mean ice mirror
Maybe I misunderstood that, then?
swift wharf
I worded it strangely
tired haven
I assume you meant that other biomes don't make so blatant reskins like snow does
small timber
ice mirror should have a unique function of froze you for 3 seconds but give you 30% adr and 30 defense after the recall teleport
unique identity guys
sand marlin
swift wharf
unless it behaves differently and I don't know that it is a reskin
tired haven
Normalizing recall cheese is certainly unique
(whether or not the unique is the good this time around is highly doubtful)
swift wharf
there's a magic mirror recipe wtf
cobalt pewter
a lot of snow stuff are reskins of basic stuff
swift wharf
anyways I think that the intention of vanilla is have "unique" loot for each biome
cobalt pewter
probably because snow is one of the first biomes in the game
swift wharf
getting a hermes boot in an ice cabin would be pretty weird
tired haven
Myeah
tired haven
(and yet there are no dead man chest reskins) 
sand marlin
Make up some random lore like "Hermes boots helped people keep warm with its speedy friction" and slap it in the cabin
swift wharf
calamity giving those holy arrows for no reason be like
small timber
deadman's chest should just continuously reuse the explosion trap if you don't disarm it
swift wharf
make it increase cold dot damage
the chest itself should explode it would be funnier
sand marlin
deadman's chest should just continuously reuse the explosion trap if you don't d...
So basically make an infinitely exploding chemical or something
small timber
blowing up all its contents
swift wharf
combine flurry boots with hand warmer to obtain flurry boots and hand warmer
sleek turret
dead man's chest should have used gas trap atleast imo (1.4.4)
small timber
dying to deadman's chest permanently destroy your heart crystal, reforge all items in inventory to broken, and put you on a 30 minutes debuff that massively cripple your stats and dont dispel on death
sleek turret
unless the idea of it it's like to be able to disarm the chest
since you can't disarm the gas trap
swift wharf
add a lockpicking mechanic
tired haven
golden lockpick set
50% lockpicking power
guaranteed reward for 50 bandit quests
swift wharf
just steal it from her
tired haven
she'd steal your kidneys then
small timber
ah yes finally, we can give old die an actual effect
like 1% chance to perfectly lock pick a gold chest
and a perfectly picked gold chest give more loot than normally picked gold chest
sleek turret
If you see blocks that are functionally and visually the same, go ahead
team blocks except they're different colors
no sprite difference at all aside from colors
same case with moss bricks from 1.4.4 and ancient ore bricks from 1.1 (added variant in 1.4.4)
and also gray bricks and clay bricks
cobalt pewter
add a lockpicking mechanic
2 is loose, 3 is binding...
sand marlin
and also gray bricks and clay bricks
Yeah those exist solely to match the theming and they should be more unique in themselves
sleek turret
tbh it's the same as painting with gray paint clay bricks and it'll end in almost the same
sand marlin
Some blocks just don't take paint well for whatever reason
And walls
They just straight up don't change in color at all
sleek turret
color theory i think unless i'm trippin
which is why deep paint exists in the first place
https://terraria.wiki.gg/images/8/8d/Largescale_color_testing.png here's a big ass sheet of how paint affects certain tiles
swift wharf
mein gott.
sleek turret
imagine all tiles now
regal willow
it looks gorgeous and trippy at the same time
sleek turret
yeah it's a beauty
this sheet is also kinda outdated since spikes there are old sprite
north oracle
…that’s what it does
It creates the brothers, they charge, and they disappear
ripe owl
Yeah but they
rugged juniper
you know what i mean bruh
rugged juniper
yeah
north oracle
that’s kinda the point
Exhumed weapon moment
rugged juniper
~~that’s kinda the point~~
Exhumed weapon moment
No exumed weapon charges at you and rips you apart though
ripe owl
Sepulcher
north oracle
Metastasis:
rugged juniper
Endogenesis destroys the hearts in seconds
north oracle
Gruesome eminence and rancor also have strong potential to fuck tou as well
small timber
because just summoning a summon that just passively attack the enemy is boring, as we already have at least 100+ weapons that do the same
ripe owl
Eminence, that's the word
small timber
the current iteration of cinders of lament is at least much more creative in how it work
north oracle
There’s just already a creative implementation of a brothers summon weapon, no reason to change it to something less unique
rugged juniper
Its not even a viable weapon imo but whatever lol
north oracle
It’s exceptionally viable
Has a 3 minute solo test
And is top 10 in the game for being broken
small timber
what do you mean it is not viable, it is literally one of the best weapon in the game
ripe owl
"The weapon is not viable" is not an opinion but rather a false information
small timber
you cant stand the fact that people are allowed to criticize your opinion
north oracle
so far all you’ve said is “it would be cool” and then said an op weapon isn’t viable
small timber
which is literally what suggestion is: you stat your opinion, people might criticize or support it
in this case we are criticizing it because we don't think it is very good
north oracle
It’s not allowed to criticise opinions though, we have to protect and nuture everyone’s terrible takes
rugged juniper
terrible take
its terrible because it would be just like other summon weapons?
Not only that i said imo
pine star
it's terrible because it's patently false
rugged juniper
Its not even objective
pine star
and it can be proven to be false
north oracle
No, it’s terrible because you said that a top 10 weapon isn’t viable
rugged juniper
No, it’s terrible because you said that a top 10 weapon isn’t viable
in my opinion bro
omg
fervent orbit
"why cant my unique active summon weapon be dumbed down into another lame one time summon, even though we already have one on tier weapon that is one time"
ripe owl
in my opinion bro
Well you didn't say that before
rugged juniper
Its not even a viable weapon imo but whatever lol
This is litterally the first time i said it?
north oracle
in my opinion bro
…you know an opinion can still be incorrect, right?
ripe owl
This is litterally the first time i said it?
My bad, I clearly cannot read
north oracle
Just because it’s an opinion doesn’t automatically make you correct
pine star
please stop hiding behind the words "in my opinion" and explain why you think Cinders of Lament's current incarnation is not viable
rugged juniper
My bad, I clearly cannot read
no problem bro
swift wharf
stop talking about cinder os of lament and rework cosmic immaterializer
north oracle
Ture…
swift wharf
2017 weapon
fervent orbit
why are you trying to turn an objective fact into a subjective opinion
north oracle
Now that’s a boring summon weapon that needs a rework
lunar ridge
stop talking about cinder os of lament and rework cosmic immaterializer
make it not a solo summon imo
swift wharf
anyways if you can't use smth properly it will be bad xd
rugged juniper
please stop hiding behind the words "in my opinion" and explain why you think Ci...
Purely because it can hurt you directly without a condition unlike other exhumed and enchanted weapons
I find it impractical
Then again you can easily dodge them
ripe owl
It attacks you only if you stay still
You can dodge it by just simply moving up and down
rugged juniper
Or left and right i know
But hear me out
Why do they dash towards the player
instead of the enemy
i guess that makes it way too easy
ripe owl
instead of the enemy
That wouldn't make sense
Why would an enemy dash into you while you try to attack it
rugged juniper
thats not what i meant
But what i meant doesnt make sense either
And its not even my original opinion
There are two questions here
1- why shouldnt the cinders of lament actually use summon slots and summon the brothers to help you
2- why should it
north oracle
Why shouldn’t it:
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Because it’s an exhumed weapon and therefore should be unique to the other exhumed weapons. Metastasis already fills the niche of a minion slot summon.
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Because it’s actually interesting as it is instead of being yet another single use summon weapon
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Because there’s no active summons between borealis bomber and cinders, so there’s clearly a gap to be filled there
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Because its so fucking cool and people might like it, this is a game not everything has to have a logical reason
rugged juniper
Dormant brimseeker
Slime puppet staff
Why should it:
Because its so fucking cool and people might like it, this is a game not everything has to have a logical reason
north oracle
Oh, let me add to why shouldn’t it
hollow ridge
Gripping argument
hollow ridge
Why should it:
Because its so fucking cool and people might like it, this is a ...
Unfortunately saying "cool" doesn't really cut it
fervent orbit
dormant brimseekers isnt even that active
the aura lasts for quite a while
and its not like u can redeploy the aura
rugged juniper
And if people dont like it thats okay
royal tapir
Well, the devs too y'know
fervent orbit
if it has no reason then why r u trying to argue for it
hollow ridge
But I'm saying how ur argument is basically non existent
hollow ridge
Well, the devs too y'know
That too
ripe owl
Dormant brimseeker
Both of them are before Borealis Bomber
Opinion denied
rugged juniper
if it has no reason then why r u trying to argue for it
Im not arguing anything you guys act like i did a crime or smth
hollow ridge
This is what I was saying
rugged juniper
Is it really not even that cool
hollow ridge
You come in here with an idea
fervent orbit
an arguement doesnt have to be negative
hollow ridge
You must expect criticism
fervent orbit
wide river
I'm just going to say that both sides seem to be overreacting here
lunar ridge
I'm just going to say that both sides seem to be overreacting here
sooo true
royal tapir
So lemme get this straight
Someone asked to add something only because "it would be cool," and now you all are going in a circle for the past 15 minutes
wide river
So lemme get this straight
Someone asked to add something only because "it would...
Average day in #suggestions-discussion, unfortunately
hollow ridge
Oh I was late
royal tapir
It's a bad suggestion I think move on prolly
hollow ridge
Mbmb
wide river
Yeah
fervent orbit
So lemme get this straight
Someone asked to add something only because "it would...
convincing people that a rule exists in the dont section actually exists is difficult
wide river
I think it's because some people don't actually direct suggesters to the pins, they just say "You can't suggest that" and move on
rugged juniper
i cant suggest something because i think it would be cool?
fervent orbit
yes.
rugged juniper
epic rule
hollow ridge
It's a bad suggestion I think move on prolly
.
royal tapir
Here lemme repost a suggestion from like 3 months ago
hollow ridge
rugged juniper
yeah just discussed it
livid coral
I should stress that just because something is cool doesn’t mean it’s viable in gameplay or functioning
But also let’s not argue in circles ok
north oracle
what the fuck even is sanguine flare
I mean sure increase the visibility, but what even is that
royal tapir
Bloodstone magic weapon
hollow ridge
!wiki sanguine flare
red stormBOT
north oracle
Guh
royal tapir
hollow ridge
Pre dog mage when there's so much shit some of it becomes forgettable
livid coral
The fucking magic sniper rifle
rugged juniper
Lets add a sniper rifle summon guys
i think it would be cool (please dont ban me)
livid coral
Gun that’s a melee weapon you don’t shoot it you just clock bosses over the head with it
rugged juniper
Lmao
livid coral
Halo style
hollow ridge
I got the pleasure of testing it and I had completely forgotten about it
livid coral
Lmao
north oracle
That’s such a forgettable weapon tho
hollow ridge
So is viscera
livid coral
I’m also still gunning for a throwing brick upgrade that’s just a Nokia phone
hollow ridge
LMAO
north oracle
Throwing phone
hollow ridge
Waiting for the dev tier brick
rugged juniper
I’m also still gunning for a throwing brick upgrade that’s just a Nokia phone
Stealth strikes open an omega blackhole and homing supernova stars
livid coral
uses cellphone in recipe
Nah it’ll probably be dubious plating and stuff
hollow ridge
Draedon weapon?
livid coral
Maybe? We’ll see
rugged juniper
we might actually get a nokia phone les go
livid coral
I have no idea if we’re legally allowed to call them Nokias in game so
lunar ridge
jus name it throwing phone
swift wharf
it took me a whole 30 seconds to find the projectiles in the image
north oracle
Imagine having a phone that you charge in a power station to se as a weapon, then you just throw it at the enemies and that consumes charge
rugged juniper
I have no idea if we’re legally allowed to call them Nokias in game so
aikoN
wide river
I have no idea if we’re legally allowed to call them Nokias in game so
The Unbreakable™️
wind ravine
Does anyone know the information on Calamity 1.4.4?
small timber
nein
worldly sparrow
Does anyone know the information on Calamity 1.4.4?
probably coming out early august
small timber
we know absolutely nothing, definitely, about calamity 1.4.4
wide river
Not ported yet, the current goal is to be ported by August 1st, but there is no guarantee