suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

ackward -> awkward
reductant -> redundant
"...onyxia on its tier"
@cobalt heath just wanna point out some spelling mistakes

but otherwise I'm all down for cutting bloat down

[small timber]

post polterghast rogue weapon are just randomly super shit for some reason

the best weapon for dog is like wave pounder or something

[sand marlin]

Ye

[small timber]

and then post-DOG rogue suddenly go back to super tier

[cobalt pewter]

post polter is indeed weird for rogue

I can't think of anything good for od

[sleek turret]

yeah back before arsenal weapons you had 2-3 options which i think is alright

[cobalt pewter]

not that I can remember any weapons in the first place

[swift wharf]

not fighting od

[small timber]

looking at tests only good one is jaws of oblivion, and even that one is only mildly mediocre against od

[cobalt pewter]

oh for dog?

[sleek turret]

valediction and the polter rogue weapon

yeah for DoG

[small timber]

even valediction is not super good for dog iirc, just mid

[cobalt pewter]

yeah prolly wave pounder for dog idk lmao I love my shart

[sleek turret]

i remember the general loadout being valediction, that one rogue polter weapon, the reaper if you got it

[cobalt pewter]

yeah post polter is generally weird

[small timber]

5:15 spam 3:44 stealth of valediction on dog

[swift wharf]

cosmic kunai

[small timber]

4:00 is killtime

[sleek turret]

oh yeah cosmic kunai

cosmic kunai the silly, the wrinkly

[small timber]

lunar kunai is normal now

shade is pretty active on rogue balancing

[cobalt pewter]

didn't they say cosmic kunai

[small timber]

(except sacrifice for some reason, he buffed it when everyone told him it is already too good)

[cobalt pewter]

the one from signut

[small timber]

oh cosmic kunai

[sleek turret]

yeah the 1 use time weapon or smth

[small timber]

super strong, destroy everything, don't work on OD and DOG because no range

tldr

[sleek turret]

it's just too risky

[small timber]

not too risky, you need to stay near them for unreasonable period of time considering flight time to deal damage

you just have super shit damage window on OD and DOG

[sleek turret]

the only use to it was like

[small timber]

on DOG it just dont do enough damage
OD probably viable with adrenaline since it is still good burst on rest phase but test don't use adrenaline

[sleek turret]

"CLIMAX" moments where i had rage and adrenaline and i said to myself "fuck it, we ball" and used it on DoG

yeah post polter rogue sucks

[swift wharf]

just buff its damage

[small timber]

cosmic kunai don't need buff, it need nerf even

it fucks over everything except for OD and DOG basically

[cobalt pewter]

maybe it's more with the bosses rather than the weapons?

[small timber]

tldr yes

[swift wharf]

oh shit I forgot other bosses exist

[small timber]

cosmic kunai murders polterghast and it is already way good enough to do that, since post-polterghast weapon are what you are supposed to use on OD and DOG

[swift wharf]

just use luxors gift with it like 2018

[sleek turret]

free range :swag

[swift wharf]

and well if you kill signus first then it's good for the bosses after it

how about time bolt though

its upgrade

[sleek turret]

yucky weapon last time i used it

[swift wharf]

Time Bolt only deals 80% damage to The Old Duke

I wonder why

[sleek turret]

never used it on od

always skipped od unless it was a ranger playthrough

[cobalt pewter]

time bolt seems funny

(I never bothered if it makes a difference)

[small timber]

time bolt is mega shit

like, ultra mega shit

[cobalt pewter]

not surprised at all

[swift wharf]

goddamn

[cobalt pewter]

at this point it should just get rid of the weird time stopping debuff thing and just alter the whole time aspect to the weapon behavior instead

but of course

it's a donor

it MUST be quirky (aka bad)

[ripe owl]

Isn't this suggestion "something that requires high effort"?

[small timber]

that too yes

but donor item mostly

oh right the suggestion just doesn't mention point of progression so it just means the entire ranger class then yeah it definitely is too high effort

[cobalt heath]

Ty english not my first language and I have trouble w it some times

[cobalt heath]

Oh yeah

I could rewotf it to be just about pre yharon

But there are so many other points where this happen

Eh Ill let a mod flag it they see it fit

[swift wharf]

I'll leave it for the devs because I am biased

[cobalt heath]

Done Or shade prolly has a better idea on the scope of this

[ripe owl]

Or cog

[drowsy plank]

this feels

weird

weird sugg

i think the devs are quite aware they need to cut bloat already, and this is such a broad and sweeping gesture it might as well be nothing at all

this really does feel like a rover/dev ping
maybe later tho since i just woke up lol

ill give them time to see it thenselves

[small timber]

"balance the game"

"some weapon are too strong, some are too weak, please make game more balance thank you"

kind of suggestion

[drowsy plank]

yeah exactly

[small timber]

it is like, "yeah sure we will do it, but we also already know it"

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell thoughts on this one, and also the rage one? some people said the reasoning was pretty weak but i saw you remove the exclaim i think so idk

[hollow shell]

I feel like the Ranger suggestion is touching on a legitimate issue but isn't quite articulating it correctly

It's mainly implying that having multiple weapons of the same subclass in a tier - at all - is bad, with an undertone of balance
when that's not really the issue. The issue is that the weapons function so similarly and have such a similar usecase

You can totally have multiple weapons of the same subclass on the same tier, as long as they provide variety in their existence
There's no "variety" if all the weapons are just "hold LMB on the boss to rapidly shoot damaging projectiles at them"

[cobalt pewter]

hmm

yeah I can see how it'd be misinterpreted

[cobalt heath]

Yeah this is what I am trying to say

[hollow shell]

as for the rage suggestion
I don't really know how to work with it
It's definitely weird and the reasoning is minimal but it's, there

[cobalt heath]

Like the alluvion phangasm situation

They are both pretty similar In function, both being rapid fire bows on the same tier

[cobalt pewter]

the rage one is definitely odd

[cobalt heath]

I have issues wording it cus english not main language

[cobalt pewter]

I think the fact that the author write "because it'd be funny" kinda sent an ❗ in people's heads

[small timber]

rage already help you kill the normal enemy you face faster, it does not need to also make mining faster

[cobalt pewter]

but the overall sugg seems a bit

pointless?

[small timber]

especially not after changelog just decide to nerf a bunch of mining speed

[hollow shell]

You should edit your suggestion to put more emphasis on the weapons functioning similarly, and having such similar usages, cuz right now it seems like you think that it's bad just cuz they're both bows

Focus on the variety in how the player plays, how they use the weapons

[cobalt heath]

No defo not that, like I am completely fine having stuff like planetary expultion and astreal defeat on the same tier

You can flag it for now, ill edit it once I get home

[cobalt pewter]

I think emphasizing on what parts of the game actually have a decent chunk of gameplay variety instead of just those without would be good too

[cobalt heath]

Aka Focus on the specific tiers needing fixes?

[hollow shell]

The bows could have very different firing speeds, or require you to aim in different places, or have ones that focus on raw DPS while others focus on debuffing
Maybe have some that are charge-up weapons like drawing back a bowstring, instead of the usual click-to-fire

Meaningful differences are possible. Calamity is just really bad at it

because it's a mod from 2016 disguised as a mod from 2023

[cobalt heath]

As we discussed earlier, donor weapons plague ranger hard

Especially on that pre yharon stage

[hollow shell]

That would be more actionable, easier for the devs to work with the suggestion
If you, say, just made it a suggestion about the bows around DoG and Yharon
Phangasm and Alluvion being too similar

[cobalt pewter]

damn a hit rover quote yet again

[hollow shell]

And then you could make more suggestions about other problematic ranger tiers (hint: it's all of them)

[cobalt heath]

No cus there are way more stages where this happens

[cobalt pewter]

that's a good idea, slowly tackling on the big issue, one spot at a time

mention off hand that there's a lot of these cases, but the sugg could focus on a spot you find the most problematic at the time

[cobalt heath]

Aka pre yharon cause that is by far the most problematic one

[hollow shell]

Yeah but what I'm saying is that you can make several different suggestions about the most egregious cases of it
The devs are more likely to dismiss and ignore the suggestion if it's "Fix the entire game"
but it's more inviting if you focus it on just a few weapons at a time, that feels more like something they can do

[cobalt pewter]

post-DoG tends to be problematic in general

[cobalt heath]

For ranger yes

[cobalt pewter]

a lot of things tend to be problematic in post-DoG, don't worry

do note how post-DoG is basically the place where every single accessory coalesce into 3-4 Big Fuckoff Accessories at the same time

but yeah, focusing on post-DoG for this sugg could help convincing people (and the devs)

as you're substantially reducing the scope

[cobalt heath]

I dont even have to edit my main points

and examples

cus all of my examples are post dog

[livid coral]

Agreed. Just saying fix the entire game to the largest content mod that has so much that needs to be overhauled since it existed since 2016 is a moot point.

doesn’t help we have had to stop and port.

I think rn focus is on cleaning up summoner and rogue at least from what I’ve been following.

[fervent orbit]

melee has a problem with melee speed and mage has an accessory problem

so like

i think ranger has the least issues rn lmao

[livid coral]

Sobbing mage accessories don’t have cool gimmicks it’s just stat stuff and you have like no mage accessories

[cobalt heath]

yeah now that I think about it the main issue right now is pre yharon

[fervent orbit]

[cobalt heath]

with ranger

I don't think I am suggesting anything insane now

[glass arch]

mage has to make up for the terrible sin that was traitorous biofusillade

[livid coral]

If you want my two cents as a dev I can safely say things are being looked at one at a time and then after this is gonna be some overhauls for biomes and weapons/armor etc

It just gets overwhelming when like fifty million people in a discord server tell you or suggest things

[gritty plaza]

?

[livid coral]

Lmaaao

[fervent orbit]

[gritty plaza]

What was traitorous biofusillade?

[glass arch]

traitorous biofusillade used to be the single most overpowered item in the game

the traitorous enchantment had a small damage number of over 500,000

before traitorous was nerfed mpg was able to oneshot exos

[ripe owl]

[gritty plaza]

Why biofusillade?

[glass arch]

it has the lowest usetime of any weapon that worked with traitrous

since traitorous procs based off uses

it was able to proc the demon a lot

[cobalt heath]

this sounds like another murasama situation

[livid coral]

Rip yeah

[cobalt heath]

fabs biggest annoyance

that gitgudowo video

[ripe owl]

You can't tell me there's no video of that

[glass arch]

oh there is one

[fervent orbit]

#calamity-mod-talk message @gritty plaza

[ripe owl]

[grim tusk]

@cobalt heath Why just ranger? Also did you know the reason that tier is so bloated is to donor items

Furthermore stuff outclassing stuff is more of a balancing thing

[cobalt heath]

As I stated earlier I only really understand the issue from a rangers eyes

[grim tusk]

Not because something is bad it means that it should be removed or shifted

[cobalt heath]

I have not played other classes that much to understand the issue

From like melee, which has the same

[grim tusk]

Ultima and Sdfmg need a buff? Then bring it up in #1042197406776827914

[cobalt heath]

No My point is to remove similar functioning weapons from the same tier

[grim tusk]

Then explain it well in your suggestion

[cobalt heath]

Because that makes the weapons indivitually boring

[grim tusk]

Cuz besides Phangasm and Alluvion theres no example other than “it performs worse than the others”

[cobalt heath]

also is shadow removing a thing or is that considered a dick move

[cobalt heath]

also the issue with ultima isnt it's dps, its the recipe

pulse bow is a rare af item considering how you get it

[grim tusk]

You can craft pulse bow in Calamity, making it not rare as its just shroomite

[cobalt heath]

but that isn't my point

[ripe owl]

Yet it's still not used anywhere

What even are the killtimes for the Ultima?

[grim tusk]

Dick move, we should try to get the item to be usable

[cobalt heath]

and sdfmg is a very similar weapon to onyxia in terms of function. Both are rapid firing lmb weapons, with similar-ish dps

that's why I was up for just retiering some weapons, and that ties to dev plans

[grim tusk]

Why not just buff the weapons or change em so they feel more distinct and useful?

Nadir was a special case due to melee lacking stuff on auric tier and the arguments for shifting it there were actually pretty good

[cobalt heath]

because reworking multiple weapons is too big to suggest, and having many similar functioning weapons in a tier still keeps up the same issue

[grim tusk]

There we go

Now put that on the suggestion

[ripe owl]

"Rework multiple weapons" is at least more clear than just "fix the weapon bloat problem "

Honestly

[grim tusk]

Thats true

Although you could also suggest we rework stuff

Just not being specific

Say “rework Alluvion” and dont elaborate on how

[deft yew]

“Rework or remove”

Honestly any one of Monsoon, Alluvion, or Phangasm could die

[cobalt heath]

I changed it

and no I am not for reworking these weapons, but If the dev team finds it a better idea, go for it

[grim tusk]

Ok now the suggestion is a lot better

[sand marlin]

Monsoon and Alluvion are pretty cool with their typhoon arrows and stuff but all Phangasm is, is just Phantasm 2 lmao

[deft yew]

This goes for a lot of celestial-tier weapons too but Phangasm is an outlier

[cobalt heath]

phangasm is just reductant

imo

but It's iconic

[deft yew]

what makes it iconic?

[drowsy plank]

it's iconic because phantasm is iconic and phangasm just stole its identity wholesale

[cobalt pewter]

phantasm ain't even interesting

I swear the standards of Terraria players are criminally low

[deft yew]

phangasm is iconic because its name should die in a fire iirc

[wide river]

Very true

[languid zephyr]

Please @ me if you want to discuss this I dont check discord frequently at all

[swift wharf]

They're getting reworked

[languid zephyr]

awesome

[swift wharf]

In the meantime, there's a mod that reworks it

[glass arch]

doze our savior 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[tired haven]

Name what you think is an interesting weapon

[swift wharf]

I don't see any problems with the pinger

daft name to call the item

[tired haven]

(not that I'd disagree about low standards, but that's an appeal of its own because being satisfied by little things in life like minishark go brr is bliss)

[swift wharf]

I mean if by unique you mean '"one" of its own'

then minishark is unique

[languid zephyr]

cool

i just hope that they readd the claymore dash into the sword and the rest of the sword line

[swift wharf]

because it is the only weapon that does its thing

They probably will

[swift wharf]

But anyways

Helps you find metal that's hopefully more valuable than wulfrum
sounds perfectly fine because it doesn't say that wulfrum is an underground metal

[languid zephyr]

what is the modd that reworks it

[languid zephyr]

i know you weren't talking to me but horsemans blade is a cool concept

[swift wharf]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2947075852

[languid zephyr]

combines true mele with projectiles

[languid zephyr]

thank you

[swift wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkLSMyu8jYY&t=44s

[golden sonnet]

[tired haven]

It's kind of ironic because phantasm and horsemans operate on the exact same principle
On hit, make homing projectile

[swift wharf]

@random talon I don't remember wulfrum ever being an underground thing

[tired haven]

Gameplay wise horsemans definitely has more to it, but yknow

[sleek turret]

wulfrum was never underground ore

[swift wharf]

Wulfrum was never an ore period

[sleek turret]

true

[languid zephyr]

w reworks i shall be downloading this mod

[golden sonnet]

common dozezoze W

[swift wharf]

The last part of the suggestion is fine though it does ping more than ores

[languid zephyr]

oh true

[sleek turret]

please kill every exxo avalon reference :)

[swift wharf]

[sleek turret]

even if it sounds weird as fuck (polterplasm)

[languid zephyr]

also yeah phantasm is pretty boring and i think they need to add a bow for moonlord drop

[golden sonnet]

lmao

[swift wharf]

ok but fr polterplasm is kind of a shitty name

[languid zephyr]

yea

[deft yew]

I meant specifically Phangasm’s name

I hate it

[swift wharf]

ecto blood died and had a better name

[drowsy plank]

i feel like the oathblade rework should be flagged

ignoring the fact that it is already planned, this suggestion is awfully specific

i think i am going to do that

[sleek turret]

mb i thought you were talking about name references like phantoplasm and stuff

[swift wharf]

and yeah phangasm is also cringe name wise

haha SEX

[languid zephyr]

not really

[drowsy plank]

@languid zephyr ignoring the fact that someone already mentioned the line is already being reworked, i think the way this is phrased is far too concretely outlined. it's much better to focus on the problems and maybe offering potential solutions instead of just outlining an exact fix. i don't think it should matter too much, but yeah for the future remember that.

[sleek turret]

i thought it was an exxo avalon name reference but i guess it isn't⁉️

otherwise it sucks

[wide river]

As some extra notes
First point asks specifically for what it should do
Second point feels like something for #1042197406776827914
Third point is kinda just "it would be cool"

[languid zephyr]

hold on one at a time

[cobalt pewter]

hold on gimme 20 minutes to surf the wiki to remember the names

[languid zephyr]

i did offer solutions and just went into depth on those solutions. the sword is really boring as of currently and I'm glad its getting fixed but those points that I made are still valid even if they are direct

[drowsy plank]

yes that is the problem

[languid zephyr]

1. I'll write suggests or something else to make it less direct next time
2. Mb Ill fix it
3. dont really care about my third point and I don't think it holds too much value to anything I said

[drowsy plank]

you should not go in depth on the solutions, you should be focusing more on identifying problems and places for things to be fixed rather than focusing on the exact details of how it could be fixed, that is in the rules, and is because it is up to the devs to come up with that

[languid zephyr]

I read through the rules I didn't see stuff that you're mentioning (not saying you're making up anyting)

[fervent orbit]

specific item suggestions

or just

[languid zephyr]

Well ok if its in the rules I believe you but I will saying something in response

[fervent orbit]

specifics in general

[languid zephyr]

What if we made like a suggestions that allowed people to go into detail. I understand that the devs should have the final say in what goes and doesn't but community suggestions can be good. Not to toot my own horn but what I said in my post would actually be a good change to the sword. But I'm not going to be upset or demand that my idea should be the final one if what I said doesn't get added. I just think giving the people a say in stuff would work too (Especially since most of us can't mod)

Take what I say with a grain of salt I'm not trying to preech anything here by saying this stuff.

[golden sonnet]

Specific suggestions used to be allowed and they were not good, and you can still give specifics, just be like "it could be something like this" rather than "it should be like this".

also, the reasons they aren't allowed are explained in the pins

[tired haven]

It's one of the first notes in "Suggestion "Don't"s", although I suppose it doesn't really appear as rules so that could have caused confusion

[languid zephyr]

Yeah sorry I didn't really see that

[tired haven]

Do give that doc a read to shape better suggestions in future

[languid zephyr]

If i go back and edit my post would that be better

[wide river]

You can edit it yes

[languid zephyr]

Will do

Thank you all for going over this with me I did edit it so it didn't sound as demanding and I hope that my suggestions do make some impact (wont care if they dont though)

[wide river]

Thank you for being cooperative

[fervent orbit]

would a sugg on delaying the message for the correct wiki upon joining a world be valid? because like every other mod covers up instantly mainly ore excavator which is very commonly used

[wide river]

I see no reason why it would be invalid
It is involving of content that is in the game right now, and isn't particularly high effort

[languid zephyr]

Of course no problem

[fervent orbit]

uhhm uhh iddk either

maybe i thought it would be "it would only exist for the sake of crossmod support"

[cobalt pewter]

swords: Keybrand (the HP mechanic is mildly interesting), Terra Blade and a lot of its components (I surprisingly liked the rework a lot; they're still broadswords at their core, though, mind you),

yoyos: just no.

spears: low bar, but I really like Ghastly Glaive's use style, too bad it's not really used anywhere else outside of Sky Dragon's Fury

boomerangs: nothing really stood out for me in this department

flails: launched ones in general have been really good since 1.4 rework, adding a spin adds a lot to their design

other melee: jousting lances (probably could've been my favorite weapon type in vanilla if not for the fact that the dmg scaling sucked ass; Sky Dragon's Fury, same reason as Ghastly Glaive, also the quarterstaff use style; by that same reason, Sleepy Octopod too to a slightly lesser extent

bows: unfortunately, Stormbow because of the unique approach to arrow shooting; same reason for Aerial Bane <insert Aerial Bane copypasta here>

guns: nothing really

launchers: prox mine is wacky funny but otherwise I don't have much attachment towards these

consumables: lol

others: Dart guns are genuinely pretty gaming, if not short lived; Piranha Gun baby

wands: magic missile gang is wacky wahoo after being reworked (I remembered writing stuff in mobile with it)

magic guns: Charged Blaster Cannon could've been cool but they got rid of the locked direction?

spell books: Demon Scythe because the incremental velocity makes any use of it that doesn't involve a straight line forward while running back pretty cool; Magnet Sphere because you can make plays around the sphere instead of making the sphere play around you

other magic: if it was higher, Clinger Staff could've been interesting; Spirit Flame is pretty neat too, as they're stationary until anyone is nearby

minion summon: abigail and desert tiger due to the growth approach of multiples instead of swarm

sentry: lol

whip: don't wanna even bother

[wide river]

Oh good lord text wall

[fervent orbit]

i wish there was a .txt but better

for

this exact thing

[cobalt pewter]

crab asketh, and I shall giveth

[fervent orbit]

also wtf

"other ranger" doesnt include sandgun

so

fuck you

[languid zephyr]

its so sad that yoyos are such an underwhelming weapon

[cobalt pewter]

sandgun is spammy, unfortunately

i do not want to clean up the mess

[cobalt heath]

saying that the onyx line is not cool

I dunno

[languid zephyr]

i used to do yoyo tricks as a kid and theres so much you could do with them that could be implicated into the game

[fervent orbit]

onyx blaster is just shotgun + projectile

[cobalt heath]

still

its

STONE

[cobalt pewter]

yeah yoyos are just sad

that said, if I HAD to include a single yoyo, it'd probably be Hive-Five

[languid zephyr]

i think onyx design is the coolest part about it

[hollow ridge]

Demon sythe cool lol

[fervent orbit]

i wonder what red means by he is gonna give yoyos love

[cobalt pewter]

not sure either

[hollow ridge]

Delete em?

[languid zephyr]

maybe they will finnaly be different from one another

[tired haven]

Well, nothing really for me to dispute other than cherrypicking stuff that's as mechanically simple and gameplay-agnostic as phantasm

[fervent orbit]

hopefuly its not just "oh theyre kinda viable now ig"

[languid zephyr]

and maybe give them a secondary ablitiy

[cobalt heath]

yoyos are like the uncoolest weapon class

[fervent orbit]

crabbar this is technically fine right?

[hollow ridge]

Doubled their damage

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-raiden-handshake-gif-25514798

[languid zephyr]

even the terrarian is just boring

[tired haven]

No clue because I'm not really a suggestion regular

[fervent orbit]

this seems like a very wholesome clip if you dont know the rest of the scene

[hollow ridge]

id say its fine

[tired haven]

It doesn't sound utterly wrong at least

[cobalt pewter]

I think that's the point

[languid zephyr]

good ending

[cobalt heath]

you're batshit insane!

[tired haven]

That's the part where I say keybrand is less interesting than phantasm

[cobalt heath]

phantasm is actually dope

[languid zephyr]

true

[cobalt pewter]

!

[tired haven]

purely numerical change < projectile spam

[cobalt heath]

and phangasm is a really old weapon

[cobalt pewter]

Keybrand vs Golem is such a funny experience

[cobalt heath]

so it has ⭐ history ⭐

[cobalt pewter]

since the hands are faster the lower their HP and Keybrand's stronger the lower the enemy's HP

[cobalt heath]

Back in my days when it has polter tier dps for pre yharon

those were good times

[bright crag]

True
Still need to think about that, Phantoplasm rename kinda came out of nowhere

[fervent orbit]

necroplasm

[cobalt pewter]

I'll drop my 2 cents on this

I grow in an environment where just 1 too much particle will make everything shit itself, so I've grown to like projectile spam less

[cobalt heath]

that would indicate them having no souls

or being demon creatures

[languid zephyr]

phantasm couldve been like

the coolest thing

but instead it was more like an orgasm

[bright crag]

It's painful to see how Mage, despite being the least limited class, is relatively generic

[languid zephyr]

fr

[wide river]

I think maybe it's too rooted in the suffix of "plasm"
I can get why it would keep that, since Phantoplasm is kinda just Ectoplasm 2, but it limits the names that could come for a rename of said material

[fervent orbit]

convinced red hates mage

[languid zephyr]

its magic and like most of the unique weapons are just not that good

like im so hyped to use ravorblade typhoon its so unqiue and cool guys

[bright crag]

I feel like Mage has an overreliance in cool concept and "detached" gimmicks sometimes

You have a weapon that's conceptually cool, or has this very cool way of being used.... but it ultimately is "hold lmb, sometimes without even aiming"

[languid zephyr]

like the typhoons

[bright crag]

While I think there should definitely be weapons like that, I hope the more complex weapons I write get to break that trend

[languid zephyr]

they couldve been like a vortext thats stationary or something unique but nope just homing

[bright crag]

I do think Typhoon is good as it is - but yes, mechanically it's pretty basic

[tired haven]

Well, stuff like demon scythe boils down to holding lmb but is ultimately more complex to use than good 70% of weapons due to funky projectile interactions

[cobalt pewter]

I think there's definitely a good ratio for unique weapons x filler weapons in the game, and vanilla to me is heavily weighted towards the latter

[wide river]

All 50 standard broadswords

[cobalt pewter]

Demon Scythe ended up being hold lmb because for the most part, the point where you'd use this weapon the most is ironically the boss where you're forced to walk a single line

[bright crag]

Yes
Demon Scythe is a great example of mechanically simple, functionally complex

As far as vanilla goes

[tired haven]

Myeah

[bright crag]

But yeah, it's kinda used in a boss where the complexity is nullified

[tired haven]

solution: use it to dab on early hm as well

[wide river]

I think more positioning-based weapons like Demon Scythe would be cool
Off the top of my head there aren't too many of those

[bright crag]

I will admit, Aerialite Mage weapons are both quite basic but
Hopefully the Cryonic and Hydrothermic ones won't be as basic

[tired haven]

obligatory hyphae rod mention

I have a weak spot for it

[cobalt pewter]

there were stuff I initially wanted to include because they look cool (like Nightglow) but I gotta remind myself of the point of writing that wall of text

(EoL stuff are pretti....)

[bright crag]

Hyphae Rod strat for SG Core

[wide river]

Imma be honest I haven't fought Crabulon for his drops in like a year so I forgot that existed
It's a sad state of affairs, truly

[cobalt pewter]

if Cal eventually adds a rogue drop from EoL I want it to look berry pretty 💅

[bright crag]

Hmm, speaking of which
I probably need to discuss a functionality my dev weapon

[tired haven]

Nightglow reminds me we should probably invest into weapons designs that adapt the boss attacks

[bright crag]

TRUE

[wide river]

PLEASE

[cobalt pewter]

that would be based

[wide river]

DO THAT

[cobalt pewter]

an OD weapon that forces you to rest after using it 10 times

[wide river]

"Overuse of this weapon exhausts you, reducing its damage"

[tired haven]

shiny stone synergy

[cobalt pewter]

a mimir

[bright crag]

OD bone banhammer

[cobalt pewter]

byeah some more weapons that reflect boss attacks are generally very cool

it's like owning a piece of the boss itself

[bright crag]

Speaking of which, hammer enjoyers will be feasting soon

[cobalt pewter]

Home Depot collab!?

[wide river]

Has a small chance to play the Home Depot theme for 10 hours upon use

[tired haven]

I wonder which hammer should be bestowed such a blessing

[bright crag]

Pokemón crossover ft. Tinkaton

[swift wharf]

There's this funny little secret, a cheat code, even
To make the most basic weapons not seem basic
And that is to make them pretty

Never faips

fails*

[bright crag]

And another trick called making them feel powerful
I'm aware

In fact, Aerialite whip is simple but
It will feel pretty rad

[swift wharf]

if you remove zeniths makeup it's a boomerang
but it looks cool

[bright crag]

People like weapons such as Wave Pounder for a reason

It's a mix of vfx, sfx and occasionally screenshake

[swift wharf]

I wonder if there will be weapons that have similar shockwaves

[bright crag]

That can make a simple weapon feel good

[cobalt pewter]

pretty things distract pretty well after all

[fervent orbit]

"if it looks pretty, who cares if its bad!"

[bright crag]

That brings us to a potential functionality for my dev item

[cobalt pewter]

Wave Pounder my beloved (shart)

[swift wharf]

metroid bomb

[cobalt pewter]

Oppenheimer (2023)

[bright crag]

I wonder where I can discuss my item with some of you, because I do need some opinions

[swift wharf]

me.. le bomb.. killed ... le people
..

[wide river]

Oh yeah, while you're here Stip
Thoughts on changing Violence (The Supreme Calamitas melee drop) to not be a glorified yoyo?
The idea behind its current rendition is cool and all, but I think it's currently just "screenwide yoyo with big hitbox"
I had a random idea of reworking it into a warhammer to match Exos dropping an axe (Photon Ripper), but I didn't know how good of an idea that would be

[swift wharf]

this is the effects department here to contact you that

make violence more violent

make it stop spinning for a bit as it hits enemies

add chunky sounds for when it does that

and spill blood everywhere

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[swift wharf]

anywhere that is not a modded terraria subserver

[worldly sparrow]

about the revisit pre-yharon ranger sugg, honestly ranger as a whole needs to be revisited

almost all guns and bows function the same

[crude geode]

Wdym we need to continue reworking melee

[worldly sparrow]

truly a re-logic moment

[wide river]

Next up is the long awaited Tin Broadsword rework

[worldly sparrow]

ooh, and lemme guess

after that they're gonna rework the first fractal

even though its not even in the game

and while re-logic is at it, just give summoner more tools that totally will not be imbalanced

[novel belfry]

Since Wulfrum is no longer found underground
Wulfrum could be found underground??

[swift wharf]

No

[crude geode]

It’s a reference to the fact Wulfrum is a
metal

[novel belfry]

then the suggester might be confused ig

[drowsy plank]

erm just join CCC

[fervent orbit]

erm???

like erm the lore disc regular??

that is also in ccc?????

[swift wharf]

Seeing another calamity subserver emerge makes me feel old as fuck

[fervent orbit]

emerge?

this has been a pretty old one

[drowsy plank]

also what if we renamed phantoplasm something more fitting like. hm. idk it comes from corpses and involves ghosts so what about ectoblood

[swift wharf]

how old is it

[crude geode]

Says the guy who joined this server only last year

[fervent orbit]

when it sstarted

[swift wharf]

that's

pretty much new

[fervent orbit]

its older than ccr

[drowsy plank]

erm you're pretty much new

[swift wharf]

newer than broskies

[bright crag]

What is that?

[swift wharf]

where are my broskies at

[wide river]

Then how have you been in it since 2017

[swift wharf]

@ philo

[worldly sparrow]

is erm new though?

[fervent orbit]

because old server that i repurposed

[swift wharf]

also get owned librales

[drowsy plank]

i was making a joke, it's a server that few mods and devs are in, like me, fryzahh, rebecca, cei, and a bunch of sugg regulars and a sprinkling of other peeps

[bright crag]

Would be interesting, but I'm not sure banhammer would be a Cal thing

[fervent orbit]

saying that devs r in there is weird but technically is true

[bright crag]

Oh, I'm aware it was a joke, but I was interested nonetheless

[swift wharf]

the pitchfork is a cool design

still you should make it gory aha

[fervent orbit]

holy shit eclipse wasnt a wiki user

[swift wharf]

wait it already does that

PARDON me i'm stupid

[fervent orbit]

pardon not excused

[bright crag]

Yeah, pitchfork is awesome

[swift wharf]

but do make it chunky aha

[crude geode]

Also I love the way this sugg is phrase

[drowsy plank]

organic tagging is so fucking weird

[swift wharf]

as in meat punching noises

[crude geode]

bc it’s so dramatic for no reason

[swift wharf]

violence uses v*nilla noises ew

[wide river]

When the

[crude geode]

Half the items in this game do

[swift wharf]

ew

[crude geode]

You’re ew

[swift wharf]

i hate mageWeaponUse

you are literally deathWhistle.wav

[drowsy plank]

i remember writing that
good times

[royal tapir]

Fake news

[wide river]

New suggestion time, I think feedback is needed

Remove redundant Biome Key drops from bosses

Biome Keys are incredibly rare drops that can only drop from enemies in their respective biomes. To make them easier to get, Calamity made it so several vanilla and Calamity bosses could drop the keys. However, Calamity also added several of the Biome Keys to Shrines, which are unique structures that generate in various biomes. This, of course, creates a redundancy, as the Great Sand Shark, Cryogen, and Wall of Flesh all drop a Biome Key (or two, in Wall of Flesh's case), yet the Desert, Tundra, and Evil Biome Shrines respectively contain those same Biome Keys. Because of this, I propose we remove the Biome Key drops from the aforementioned bosses to encourage the player to explore more of their world. While we could alternatively remove the Biome Keys from the Shrine loot pools instead, this is the worse option of the two as it encourages boss farming, which Calamity has been trying to move away from for years now. Why have I not mentioned the Jungle and Hallow Keys, you may ask? Well, the Hallow Key has no non-boss sources it could be moved to, as there are no structures that spawn in the Hallow due to its nature, and the Jungle Key could be moved to the Vernal Pass or Giant Bee Hive structures, as these are significant enough that a player would attempt to seek them out, as opposed to simply defeating a boss that all players fight anyway.

tl;dr: Most of the Biome Keys have redundant methods of being obtained, and the boss drop methods should be removed in favor of exploration.

[sand marlin]

I see two things here

1- Shrines being annoying to find
2- Multiplayer

[golden sonnet]

I don't see how multiplayer is relevant here

[languid zephyr]

hey shoudlve this been posted in the other channel

no offense

[golden sonnet]

They posted here first for feedback

[languid zephyr]

oh ok

my bad

[golden sonnet]

.

[sand marlin]

Oh wait right you can't normally get more biome chest weapons can you

Let me check again

[golden sonnet]

Correct

[languid zephyr]

i think that them dropping from bosses is waaay better than gridning in their respective biomes, maybe making them a craftable that has a material dropped by golem only to craft.

[sand marlin]

It's fine since the shrines give you those keys

But uh

What about counterpart evil?

[golden sonnet]

Thing is, shrines are currently not intended to be mandatory, and things you just happen to find. I feel like this goes against that ideology, besides that I like this sugg

[sand marlin]

I think that should be left out until the island is reworked into something else

[swift wharf]

island is dying

[languid zephyr]

it helps exploration i guess

[wide river]

Counterpart Evil I could see maybe having a Graveyard recipe to swap the keys
So if you have a Corruption Key you could turn it into a Crimson Key in a Graveyard or something

[sand marlin]

That's exactly what I meant

The idea

[swift wharf]

actually yeah that's still future

[sand marlin]

That wouldn't make sense considering you have both chests but can only choose one

I think just leave it to a future version containing counterpart shrine in said counterpart biome

[wide river]

There's always just... farming the keys
It's not like the normal method is removed

[sand marlin]

Well this is obvious but like

Farming keys is

[golden sonnet]

I think this alongside a buff to key drops would be perfect

Moves it away from bosses, while not making shrines needed

[wide river]

See, I tried that before
#suggestions-voting message

Didn't do too well as you can see

[swift wharf]

Calamity players when grind

[sand marlin]

The idea of relying on normal enemy farming doesn't sit well with the community probs

[golden sonnet]

#suggestions-voting when you suggest a change that is negative for the player

[sand marlin]

L community moment

[swift wharf]

It is a community L moment

I love removing the grind instead of making it less annoying

!!!

[languid zephyr]

well i mean yeah as a casual player with not a lot of time on my hands this makes it better

but the key drops are quite absurd sometimes

[golden sonnet]

Cheat it in then

[languid zephyr]

well you see thats cheating

[swift wharf]

people will always fight the bosses anyway so it's pretty much a free weapon with 0 effort into getting it

[sand marlin]

That's not something the mod should do for them, that's something they should use QoL mods for if they really want to speed it up

[golden sonnet]

Spawn it in with glitches then

[sand marlin]

That's just so much better

[golden sonnet]

This exactly

[swift wharf]

I think someone made the funky statue glitch work in cal

[languid zephyr]

i dont think it matters much what mod does what as long as its benefical to the gameplay expereince

[wide river]

I think the ultimate solution is to [insert XPC copypasta here]

[languid zephyr]

since its in the game its not cheating

so therefore its ok

[sand marlin]

It's half beneficial half detriment

[swift wharf]

It's a benefit to the player but it's not a benefit to the gameplay

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, bast statue glitch has existed since bast statue has, even in cal

[swift wharf]

goddamn

I thought it was 1.4.4 magic

[languid zephyr]

how so

[swift wharf]

(red code sorcery)

Because instead of easing the grind, you're removing it

[languid zephyr]

well i agree with this on things like rod of discord

[sand marlin]

You're appealing to casual players who want to speedrun the game
In turn you are just making the game faster for those who otherwise want to have a slow playthrough

Casuals can just go use QoL instead

[languid zephyr]

but grinding just feels lengthy and not fun most of the time unless you're doing something fun in that grind

like fighting a boss or doing an event

[golden sonnet]

This, same reason potion shops were removed

[languid zephyr]

i dont mind grinding bosses just as long as their fun

[swift wharf]

There is always the option to make the grind fun but that is more complicated

[sand marlin]

Outright removing the grind even if it's not fun for everyone involved is not the way to go about it

The players can do that themselves

[languid zephyr]

to be fair you're right

but it doesnt bother me because i never like gridning

so i wont ever see it from your prespective

[sand marlin]

That's fine

[swift wharf]

Take the evil weapon keys for example

They drop from WoF

A player in post plantera gear can easily get them in 2 minutes

[languid zephyr]

i did notice that and was confused on why they did drop so early

[swift wharf]

Ignoring the chance of you getting the key from WoF on your first kill

[wide river]

Here's an idea
How about we reduce the Biome Key boss drop chances to 0.04%

Problem solved!

[languid zephyr]

they shoudlve just made a crafting method like the other changes

[languid zephyr]

no

0.05%

[sand marlin]

Another created

[swift wharf]

1/2500 -> 1/2000 we did it

[wide river]

We have solved Terraria
Everyone can go home now

[swift wharf]

And crafting isn't a good method either

unless you make it need 1250 jungle spores and 200 of each soul

then it's no longer rng grinding

[fervent orbit]

just make it guranteed drop after x kills smh

[wide river]

Make it also require 3000 Ice Blocks and 3000 Sand Blocks

[worldly sparrow]

make it locked behind 50% bestiary completion

[wide river]

So many good solutions here smh (/s)

[worldly sparrow]

wait no

re-tier the biome chest weapons

problem solved

[sand marlin]

Do not retier Vamp Knives

And Desert Tiger

[fervent orbit]

huh?

but

we alr did that with monstrous knives

[wide river]

Hey maybe people will use Rainbow Gun now

[fervent orbit]

[sand marlin]

I can't imagine what would happen if even Piranha Gun was retiered

Given it can't go later, it can only come sooner

[swift wharf]

rainbow gun is not a weapon

[worldly sparrow]

who said you can't also re-tier barracuda gun?

[sand marlin]

Same issue

Moving these anywhere WILL break something

Considering stuff are already broken around them

[worldly sparrow]

i love breaking things

do it

right now

[wide river]

Talking about the Biome Chest weapons reminded me of something
Desert Tiger Staff is the only one without an upgrade
Not necessarily saying it needs one though

[sand marlin]

It certainly does not need one

[worldly sparrow]

just insert the weapon into a random miracle matter weapon

[bright crag]

(Killing the islands should be very easy to implement, it may even have been implemented already)

I definitely disagree with the keys being dropped by bosses, it just doubles down on "everything besides bosses is near irrelevant"

[sand marlin]

1- It would murder Weaver
2- It would not work on DoG because Idk why doesn't it work

[swift wharf]

we DO need to make less shit dependant to bosses yes

slowly teach the community that there's less to kill boss farm gear for next boss kill boss

[wide river]

This theoretical Desert Tiger Staff upgrade wouldn't need to function identically to its predecessor
Take Endo Hydra Staff, it's not a sentry like Frost Hydra Staff, but is still a summon weapon

[sand marlin]

I never thought those were related

[swift wharf]

they both summon hydras

[worldly sparrow]

one of the 2 major flaws in vanilla's progression

the other major flaw in vanilla's progression is the lack of use most post-plant weapons get

[wide river]

Yes but Endo Hydra Staff is objectively cooler (totally not biased )

[swift wharf]

I mean for post plant you get

golem fishron moons eol

[worldly sparrow]

yeah but golem is so easy most of the time all you need is one easy to get weapon

[sand marlin]

Frost Hydra is a pretty good sentry for vanilla but it's pretty boring on cal and who even uses this
Endo Hydra is cool as shit and it's a overhead so bonus points

[fervent orbit]

"pretty good sentry"

[worldly sparrow]

like most classes can use a pre-plant weapon on golem in vanilla and it works crazy well

[sand marlin]

Elaborate

[swift wharf]

thats because golem sucks.....

[fervent orbit]

it took me 5 minutes to kill golem with that shit

any time i hear that sound effect i get ptsd

[bright crag]

When the powercreep game

Either powercreeps to oblivion
Or contains the powercreep enough to make upgrading irrelevant

[worldly sparrow]

golem sucking is a pretty damn big issue with vanilla

[sand marlin]

You did vanilla testing without cal?

[fervent orbit]

no

cal testing

[swift wharf]

why are you using a sentry to kill a boss...

[fervent orbit]

to test it

[sand marlin]

Pretty good sentry for vanilla

[swift wharf]

sentry testing is always scuffed because sentries

5 minutes sounds pretty good for a support weapon

[worldly sparrow]

mrjfl is in his grave rn

[wide river]

It is always one of these two
Almost never anything else

[swift wharf]

add scaling to everything

everything will be equaly as viable

:cluebed:

[worldly sparrow]

scaling causes no problems in video games

[bright crag]

This is kinda the inherent problem with designing a game around powercreep
(Which I'm not questioning because, admittedly, I absolutely see the appeal)

You have to make sure upgrades are significant enough to matter, but contained enough to not leave previous content in the dust

[swift wharf]

idk bl2 scaling is kinda good ... . . .. ....

[bright crag]

Which is a tricky balance

[swift wharf]

it is EXTREMELY tricky

[worldly sparrow]

scaling can go 2 ways

one where it works

[swift wharf]

because if you put too much care into it

it will be good way beyond its tier

[worldly sparrow]

and the other where the player is left where they can use the same weapon for the entire game

[swift wharf]

the shit we goth with the flattening of the post ml curve

goth

🐈‍⬛

[bright crag]

BR is the most blatant display of AI powercreep
See how jumpy slime fares against a player that can fly, move at lightspeed, put out insane bursts of damage, tank a fucking nuke, and build gargantuan arenas

[worldly sparrow]

AI powercreep exists in almost every game that has a boss rush

rarely are boss rushes preformed that well

[swift wharf]

that is correct

endgame boss rushes suck

[fervent orbit]

just dont allow the movement to be upgraded

[swift wharf]

unless it's hk tbh tbh

and gungeon I think

[worldly sparrow]

either this or just throw new players into the deep end on the first boss

[swift wharf]

because it's a boss rush but you start with no new gear

[fervent orbit]

hk is like the one exception where having upgraded movement doesnt completely break old bosses

[swift wharf]

and the arenas also help with that

with hazards

[worldly sparrow]

mega man does boss rushes somewhat well, but the game is designed with the boss rush in mind

[swift wharf]

Yeah

boss rushes won't work with powercreep is the issue

unless you limit the bosses

[worldly sparrow]

and then if you limit the bosses hate comes in

[swift wharf]

i cannot stress this enough why the FUCK do we need to fight KS in ENDGAME

[bright crag]

Boss Rushes require, mostly, two things
An extremely contained player progression, where an endgame player doesn't completely nullify the challenge of the earliest bosses (like HK)
A very small amount of bosses, which allows you to give each boss more time in the spotlight (like SLR)

[wide river]

Unfortunately Calamity's boss rush does neither of those things

[swift wharf]

and 3rd option of non endgame boss rushes

[sand marlin]

Isn't the only reason cal boss rush exists is to have fun with postgame gear

[swift wharf]

like the fiend folio gauntlet ig

[worldly sparrow]

or a boss rush that increases in bosses as the game progresses

[swift wharf]

isaac BR also suffers from powercreep now that i think about it

but thats because isaac balancing is scuffed

actually that is the powercreep oop

[bright crag]

True
(But a boss rush usually has to be endgame, otherwise you either exclude bosses, or allow players to fight a boss earlier than in normal progression - both awkward options)

[swift wharf]

Gungeon does it really well

[fervent orbit]

LETS JUST GET RID OF WINGS

[swift wharf]

you fight the first floor bosses, get some gear, then fight the next boss and so on

[sand marlin]

Defiled mode is back

[swift wharf]

it's a separate thing

In Boss Rush, each floor only contains an entrance, boss rooms, and an exit. Bosses do not have a damage per second cap in Boss Rush. Boss rewards are the same as the main game, including Master Rounds should a boss be killed without taking damage, though refraining from picking up a gun on the floor will not guarantee gun drops from later bosses on the floor. Defeated bosses will not drop Hegemony Credit during this mode.

[fervent orbit]

anyways might write that sugg on the wiki status message now or smthn

[worldly sparrow]

not really a traditional boss rush but pizza tower does it well at the third phase of the final boss

[bright crag]

So it's essentially a more boss-centered version of normal gameplay? In the sense that your player's gear progresses within the Boss Rush

[worldly sparrow]

its more or less a test of "do you still remember the bosses attack patterns"

[swift wharf]

No normal rooms just the bosses

fiens folio has a decent ish boss rush mode as well

[worldly sparrow]

solution to cal's boss rush: we have too many bosses, scrap some

no problems whatsoever would come from this

[swift wharf]

it's a main room with upgrades that you can buy with money
then there are normal rooms from multiple floors from tboi, and rooms that lead into the modded bosses
the bosses drop keys and coins, the former to unlock several gates for the next floor

that is one of the good solutions yes

the only problem is people will complain

[worldly sparrow]

fr

[swift wharf]

but we already complain so no loss xd

[worldly sparrow]

geldon, a boss that was widely considered "horrendous" became beloved when removed

[swift wharf]

sacrifices must be made

terraria players will kill a bosses within 3 frames and consider that fun

[worldly sparrow]

so imagine the amount of hate it would come from scrapping another boss since quality standards are higher nowadays

[swift wharf]

if you want to fight the boss just fight the boss... no need for boss rush...

[worldly sparrow]

just make the boss rush post-ml only

the rest are irrelevant

[swift wharf]

or make a config called better boss rush that only keeps the major lore bosses in br

[worldly sparrow]

or make boss rush customizable

[swift wharf]

or that ig

[worldly sparrow]

or make the earlier bosses team up

just two or three at the same time

[swift wharf]

I say lore relevant bosses but I mean post ML ones

ok that could actually work

throw every prehm boss at once

[sleek turret]

deathbringer fairy EX

[swift wharf]

then wall then queen slime then mech trio then alt mech trio then calamitas and plantera then golem ravager etc etc

[worldly sparrow]

i love how the best actual solution thus far is probably just making it post-ml only

[swift wharf]

I mean is it not

[worldly sparrow]

team ups could have stupid overlap

[swift wharf]

they already use stupid AI

(malice

[worldly sparrow]

ah right

the last remnant of malice in the mod

[hollow shell]

@random talon "This tooltip is from a time where Wulfrum was found underground"
Ahh so it was from Never?

(sorry that's rude but
Yeah wulfrum was literally never an ore)

[crude geode]

Yeah the sugg seems confused on why the Wulfrum tooltip is what it is

It’s cuz Wulfrum is in fact metal and it helps you find other metals such as ores

Sure it can find other “treasure” but that feels like semantics at some point

[glass arch]

hollow knight mindset

[random talon]

I see. Thank you for saying such

[hollow shell]

idk if I would say it has no reason to exist just cuz Wulfrum isn't underground

cuz
Wulfrum is still a metal

And the item helps you find metal (among other things but primarily metal)

🤔

[wide river]

I'd suggest removing the mentions of finding Wulfrum and changing the word "metal" to something more accurate
The tooltip never actually states that it finds Wulfrum, it states that it finds metal that's "hopefully more valuable than Wulfrum"
Just a minor nitpick I had with the suggestion

[crude geode]

The entire suggestion is a minor nitpick

Fight fire with fire

[fervent orbit]

you can nitpick every line of the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

pots can have metal in them
idk about desert fossils tho

[swift wharf]

theres iron in the bones

[fervent orbit]

can be extractinated into ore

💥

[drowsy plank]

ture

[errant bobcat]

Plus pots can contain coins which are metal so ye

[bold wave]

What would y'all think abt making the end of the boot line make more sense flavor wise? (Seraph tracers don't look angelic but have an angelic name, while celestial tracers look angelic but don't have an angelic name)

[small timber]

it will require either a name change or a sprite change

sprite change is probably not happening, for name change it is a bit ehh

like, what name are you supposed to give to this

[wide river]

Infinity Boots

[crude geode]

So true tho

[bold wave]

Celestial tracers 😭

[crude geode]

That bitch has no relation to astronomy or the heavens

[bold wave]

At least it's made with luminite

[small timber]

it should be named terraspark boots, I think it fit quite nicely

[crude geode]

Facts

[bold wave]

Cuz what I'm saying is it doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with angels

Other than its downgrade being called "angel treads"

[small timber]

it is named to the secret background lore of cthulhu possibly being hinted as one of the fallen angels from heaven

obviously

[bold wave]

Ah sorry I should have known that

[small timber]

(I made that up)

[bold wave]

Ik

Thing is, I've already suggested swapping the names

It got approved and nothing happened

[crude geode]

🛠️ hell

[bold wave]

I would imagine such a change would be relatively easy to program

So I doubt they decided not to bc of that

Like they changes the names of things all the time

[crude geode]

Do you have the message link of the sugg

[bold wave]

Also, what happened to this sugg's reactions? #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Possible visual glitch

That or pisscord

[bold wave]

#suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Damn that’s a long time ago

[bold wave]

Indeed

[deft yew]

it should be named Throwback Thursday

[bold wave]

Moon shoes

[crude geode]

Hey @distant gyro could you implement this please? Thanks in advance

[deft yew]

TWO AND A HALF YEARS

https://tenor.com/view/skull-funny-aughhh-emoji-twiggle-gif-25776741

[crude geode]

Mans held a grudge that’s for sure

[bold wave]

I take my time, alright?

[drowsy plank]

those boots need a fucking resprite so bad

tbqh that can be said for most calwings except the most recent stuff like im pretty sure drew's are still just a solar recolor?

[glass arch]

yes because animating feathers

[bold wave]

Hey, in that case you could kill two birds with one stone

[glass arch]

this is also the pretty much #1 reason why yharons new sprite had to be simplified, theres so many goddamn feathers

[crude geode]

When we can’t even get godslayer wings good luck getting resprites on old wings

[drowsy plank]

i started an attempt at godslayer hoverboard

[north oracle]

that did start looking pretty good

[drowsy plank]

i still need to do the animations and inventory sprite but if there's one thing that gets people started it's doing something very wrong so worse case scenario someone else might finally do it after i post it

[distant gyro]

revote

[crude geode]

fuck

truly a moment

[ripe owl]

Wasn't there one recently?

I coulda sworn to god someone suggested it not too long ago

[glass arch]

if by recently you mean right around when calart started the new voting system yes

unless this isnt about calart in which case im being cluelessed

[ripe owl]

What fhd whdkGdiz

How is that related to calart of all things

[glass arch]

i saw this

[glass arch]

and then i saw this

and thought altix was talking about revoting on rejected godslayer wing sprites :hdflr:

[ripe owl]

[mortal rock]

just do a recolor of the shroomite hover board smh

and slap on godslayer hover board on it

[glass arch]

that would get rejected so fucking hard

[mortal rock]

it's that shrimple

[glass arch]

the only recolored wings i know of are drews wings and thats only because animating feathers is absolute hell in pixel art

[mortal rock]

which is why yharon hasn't been resprited

[crude geode]

I'd take recolors over never getting godslayer wings literally ever

[cobalt heath]

I liked the ones with the halo

in cal art

[drowsy plank]

i thought aew's telekinesis already died

[small timber]

I thought it only do that when enraged yeah

that or it is the small eidolon wyrm doing it

[ripe owl]

Even then it's pretty lame

[golden sonnet]

@quartz dew it only does that when enraged

[quartz dew]

yeah but still its stupid

[sand marlin]

Huh

If it's only on enrage why does it matter

[small timber]

it literally only enraged on the surface

which is where you are not supposed to fight it, hence why it enrage

[fervent orbit]

boss is stupidly hard when you enrage it

🤯

[golden sonnet]

Empress literally one shots you when enraged

Plantera regens over half the damage you deal

Providence forces you to fight her for 4 mins and deals double damage

Enrages are not supposed to be fun

[fervent orbit]

not anymore

[drowsy plank]

empress effectively oneshots you

[fervent orbit]

one shots your soul when you realise she was given rdr too

[drowsy plank]

i mean 800 damage is probably going to kill most players

it just isn't 1500 or something like in vanilla

[fervent orbit]

DIDNT STOP WARDING SUMMONER ON WFB

[golden sonnet]

Providence becomes fucking intangible if you trigger her biome enrage

[drowsy plank]

so glad biome enrage dies next update 🙏

[fervent orbit]

ugmm uhhhh

thtas because

she alr had an enrage

aand she isnt tied to hallow or hell

anymore

or some shit

[golden sonnet]

I agree with it too yeah

Biome enrage was cringe

[tired haven]

In vanilla it's 10k projectile

30 something on contact

Or maybe I got them vice versa
Nonetheless, vast overkill

[wide river]

Do we really need to add more stuff to Auric Tesla?

[swift wharf]

lord almighty

[rugged juniper]

I would really love to not grind for silva armor

[wide river]

What part of it makes it "grindy"?

[bold wave]

Your suggestion's title reads as if you would need fearmonger in addition to silva

[rugged juniper]

Okay sorry

Hold on

[golden sonnet]

By the time you are making auric isn't Silva really easy to get?

[swift wharf]

also silva is already the godslayer alt

and fearmonger is multiclass

not just summone

r

[wide river]

The only part that might be remotely grindy is the Effulgent Feathers, but you already get enough of those for the whole set from a single Dragonfolly kill

[swift wharf]

and my god auric tesla doesn't need more effects

[wide river]

Even in Normal Mode, chances are you'll have enough feathers to make the full set with both helmets

[bold wave]

Yeah 😭

While we're at it we should add Omega Blue too /j

[rugged juniper]

Maybe im just lazy

[wide river]

This whole suggestion really is "I don't like Silva armor", isn't it

[rugged juniper]

No not really

I prefer fearmonger armor

When playing summoner

Silva when mage

[swift wharf]

That is fine

Doesn't really mean that fearmonger should be in auric tesla

[golden sonnet]

You can argue the same for prismatic armor for mage, and omega blue for any class

[grim tusk]

No

just no

[golden sonnet]

This would set a precedent for like 7 alternative crafts of Tesla

[rugged juniper]

Isnt omega blue available pre- DoG?

[bold wave]

I agree

[grim tusk]

yes and Omega Blue is even viable on Yharon, perhaps Exos

[swift wharf]

solar trol

[golden sonnet]

It's an alternative to bloodflare, which is used in Tesla

[grim tusk]

or Fearmonger armor even

[golden sonnet]

I didn't mention that because that's what started this

[rugged juniper]

Gosh thats right

[grim tusk]

and besides this will get not only an ❗ but if it passed its an insta 🔒 lol

[swift wharf]

auric needs less armors in it

[grim tusk]

We're looking into making auric not a mishmash of all armors instead of adding more armors

[rugged juniper]

Yeah i would agree

[rugged juniper]

Okay epic ty

[bold wave]

Hot take, I think same armor different helmet armors are boring 😭

[thorn dock]

Chances to see new omega sprite?
👀

[grim tusk]

what

[rugged juniper]

I was thinking of demonshade having helmet types lol

[grim tusk]

also why do people keep forgetting that Fearmonger is an all-class armor not summoner exclusive

[swift wharf]

fat summoner buffs
spooky armor recipe

[grim tusk]

yes one patch by mistake it gave too many minion slots but like cmon that was ages ago

[swift wharf]

idk

[rugged juniper]

Silva feels too much of a glass cannon to me when playing summoner i like the immunities and the armor

[wide river]

I think it's perceived like that because of the 30% summon damage boost it gives as well as the on-hit effect that it gives to minions

[rugged juniper]

And that yeah

[bold wave]

I'd say it's best on summoner and mage

[swift wharf]

and also the fact that it is made with a summoner armor .,.,

[grim tusk]

spooky armor is probably cuz of the pumpkin moon connection the tier has

[grim tusk]

oh right those

should be made just an all class boost but lesser and on-hit effect removed

[swift wharf]

It's made with a summoner armor ofc people will think it's summoner

[rugged juniper]

It could be worked to be more all-class instead altough i wouldnt like it lol

[grim tusk]

but we'll have to wait til Distortion update

[swift wharf]

Doesn't matter the context

[rugged juniper]

Distortion?

Never heard of that

[worldly sparrow]

that doesn't sound suspicious, having to wait for distortion to rework armor set

[sleek turret]

yeah upcoming subworld i think

[rugged juniper]

fr?

[sleek turret]

coming eventually™️

[worldly sparrow]

fr.

[rugged juniper]

Whens noxus and xeroc coming lol

[glass arch]

i remember when i started playing i though fearmonger was the mage and summoner alt to god slayer instead of silva

[grim tusk]

well the armor rn stands with Nightmare fuel being a thing; once it gets changed to be a distortion thing, then what happens to fearmonger

[glass arch]

theyll be last bosses in the mod

[swift wharf]

officially, in a long time

[rugged juniper]

Along with yharim im guessing?

[glass arch]

after yharim

[wide river]

I can see a bit of reason behind getting it reworked before then, but waiting til then may be preferable
Fearmonger's in a bit of a weird spot, hopefully it gets fixed at some point
Maybe I'll try making a suggestion if I can find reasoning for sooner than that, or maybe I won't

[worldly sparrow]

the superbosses are currently the last things planned for the mod

[rugged juniper]

Thought yharim was the last boss

[glass arch]

yes

[hollow ridge]

No romulus

[glass arch]

noxus and xeroc are post game superbosses

[swift wharf]

raid boss in real

[rugged juniper]

Ooh i see

[worldly sparrow]

calamity raid bosses

[glass arch]

shrimply play 11 player death mode 900% hp boost to have that experience

[wide river]

So true

[swift wharf]

You can play the unofficial noxus mod right now

[rugged juniper]

Yep

[swift wharf]

And a unofficial 'xeroc' will be released aswell

[rugged juniper]

Does xeroc actually create while fighting or??

[sleek turret]

it's based on old lore

[rugged juniper]

So primordial light

[worldly sparrow]

well he could create while fighting since his domain is light

[rugged juniper]

I hope he throws rocks at us

[worldly sparrow]

like dwayne?

[rugged juniper]

i guess so lol

[glass arch]

they could create light constructs
but they arent the creator god anymore

[swift wharf]

xeroc throws a fucking planet at you

[sleek turret]

throw rocks to your window

[rugged juniper]

Big rock

[swift wharf]

i dont doubt dom doing smth like that

[glass arch]

yeah it wouldnt be surprising

[rugged juniper]

Pardon my stupidness but who is dom

Devourer od the multiverse or smth

[wide river]

Dominic Karma
Creator of Infernum and former Calamity dev

[sleek turret]

yea

[glass arch]

Dominic Karma, former caldev, infernum and noxus mod creator

[rugged juniper]

Oh okay

I see now

[worldly sparrow]

when the cal bestiary is being worked on

[neon tree]

Yeah but there's still the lore pieces you get

They literally have their own trophies.

[worldly sparrow]

cataclysm and catastrophe aren't relevant enough to get their lore items

[neon tree]

Then why do they get trophies.

[worldly sparrow]

trophies are not lore related

[north oracle]

Idk, maybe you should suggest to remove those

[neon tree]

But they're relevant to get their own trophies but not even to get a but of lore?

[north oracle]

Dark mage gets a trophy and no lore

[neon tree]

I like them though

[neon tree]

That's also vanilla.

[worldly sparrow]

they legit have more lore than 90% of the enemies in the mod

[neon tree]

Okay so the Void can get their own but the literal Brothers of the final boss of the game don't?

[bold wave]

I love the Cosmic Elemental lore

[neon tree]

The what?

[north oracle]

Cosmic elemental will never get lore