suggestions-discussion

[sand marlin]

Whereas literally any other type of ranger weapon can do just fine themselves but bows alone are heavily affected by gravity, velocity and accuracy issues most of the time

[hollow shell]

yep yeah Gunk Shot is among the two billion Calamity items that are boring and need to be made into something interesting

[cobalt heath]

or removed!

[hollow shell]

The pain of
working off of a mod that was started in 2016

[elfin field]

i know but in no part of the game have i said well lets use rocket launchers since thats an amazing option

[sand marlin]

Nah it's not that bad

[fervent orbit]

if u think about it, mage has the most varied and unqiue accessories because they dont have enough stat stick accessories like melee

[cobalt heath]

mage is in shambles tbh

[sand marlin]

Gunk Shot I don't find to be miserable of any sorts and would definitely do better with a rework than removal

[small timber]

and that have nothing to do with subclass or even accessory choices, just weapon balancing

[tired haven]

the variedness and uniqueness of 7 mana cost reductions

[fervent orbit]

shhh we dont talk about mana flower because it SUCKS

[cobalt heath]

I wanted to sugg incorporating mana flower into later mage armor sets in some way or form

but it lowkey sounds kinda

bad

[sand marlin]

Idk about you guys but Ranger has the best offensive accessory variety for pre hardmode behind Rogue

[fervent orbit]

thats because ✨it is✨

[fervent orbit]

ture

[elfin field]

accesories is what i feal like is the best way to buff a class since reworking an intiree section of weapons to a better state in my opinion seems like more work

[small timber]

ranger have some of the best accessories in the game, period

and almost all of them except quiver buff all subclass

[fervent orbit]

and accessory buffing increases the chance of an accessory being ridiculously overpowered for too long

[sand marlin]

I fucking love DSO man

[small timber]

and I think ranger is definitely not the class that require a class wide buff, because almost always ranger have some stupid insane option at all progression

[fervent orbit]

sandgun and coin gun

[small timber]

and I remember most rocket launchers are pretty good, just not "the best at the point"

[fervent orbit]

[elfin field]

thats true

[small timber]

and the tldr is just there is always only 1 "the best", so it should not be the standard of balancing because you will just end up have to power creep everything else

[sand marlin]

If I were to say, specifically buffing a subclass will most definitely break the balance and make the broken options on that subclass just outdo other top contenders
For example, Snowman Cannon
It has stupid good tracking and good aoe, the only thing it's lacking is... more damage. Which it doesn't need. It performs well because it's so easy to use
Now imagine if it did have more damage

[elfin field]

true

[fervent orbit]

the snowman cannon does not need more damage

[swift wharf]

mini nukes

[fervent orbit]

rocket ammo progression (non existent)

[sand marlin]

What good material is there post golem to lock mini nukes

[small timber]

scoria probably is good enough just because it is like lava ore or something
(or literally named "hydrothermic")

[sand marlin]

That'd be good then

[fervent orbit]

plague nuke

[tired haven]

post-plant to post-golem lasts like 20 minutes though

[sand marlin]

The Hive is good enough also we don't want a bubonic rocket that would probably break more things

[fervent orbit]

zbdiiwnsndjjd

Hdusiwkdndi

BUT BUR

[crude geode]

Post golem does not exist

[sand marlin]

That's vanilla tho

[tired haven]

true, in cal it lasts 10

[fervent orbit]

BUT FUNNI

"PLAGUE NUKE BARRAGE ARMED, PREPARING FOR LAUNCH!!!"

[sand marlin]

Incredible

[fervent orbit]

FUNNI STATUS MESSAGS

[sand marlin]

Give that to the summon

[swift wharf]

plague cells

[small timber]

lock mininuke behind galactica singularity

[sand marlin]

Nah just lock it behind solar only and remove singularities

[swift wharf]

slightly bigger nuke

[fervent orbit]

PLAGUE NUKE. PLAGUE NUKE. PLGUE NUEK. PGLEU NKUE. EGLPU UKNE.

[swift wharf]

That's what I'm sayin

Wait did my message didnot send

it didn't

Rework one of the shitty plague accs into plague rocket acc

Why?

[sand marlin]

Alchemical Flask, Plague Hive, Plague Heart
Which one

[fervent orbit]

[swift wharf]

"BECAUSE EXPLOSIONS ARE [BEEP]ING AWESOME"

[umbral gazelle]

explosion is art.

[elfin field]

true

[swift wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/torgue-explosions-borderlands-gaming-game-gif-16537893

[errant bobcat]

Explodie?!?

[drowsy plank]

the main issue with a plague nuke is not even vanilla has full functionality and interactions between all rockets and launchers

so i cant imagine calamity, a mod which adds even more, would have a fun time programming that all in

[fervent orbit]

most of the vanilla launchers just convert

[drowsy plank]

yes

[tired haven]

Well, I wouldn't say most but a good half do

I would make them convert as well if I had to hardcode every single mf projectile variant on each launcher

[sand marlin]

There's really only one alternative to Mini Nuke I which is Clusters and it's a shame that you can't even use that on most things

[fervent orbit]

can we kill rocket 3 and 4s

dont they get immediately upgraded

[golden sonnet]

Solar eclipse is post one mech, shroomite is post golem

[sand marlin]

No

[fervent orbit]

wat

shroomite isnt post golem

[sand marlin]

Shroomite is directly after plant

[golden sonnet]

Post plant

[fervent orbit]

is rocket 3 locked behind golem

[sand marlin]

No

[golden sonnet]

No

[fervent orbit]

wtf

[sand marlin]

Rocket I's are craftable somewhere around post one or two mechs

[fervent orbit]

so it is immediately upgraded

[golden sonnet]

No?

[fervent orbit]

ROCKET 3 AND 4

[sand marlin]

You mean Rocket 3 into Mini Nuke I?

[fervent orbit]

y e s

[golden sonnet]

Ok, but hear me out

Progression breaking

[fervent orbit]

???

[sand marlin]

That's what we've been saying

Just move Mini Nuke I's further up

[fervent orbit]

both cyborg and autohammer are from plant

[sand marlin]

Not kill either

[drowsy plank]

Mini Nukes 1 made with Luminite

[sand marlin]

I'm killing you

It can be anything but post ML

[drowsy plank]

lmao

it would make sense tho

[wide river]

Alright then
Post-DoG it is

[drowsy plank]

less of an instant upgrade

[golden sonnet]

Compromise, post prov

[fervent orbit]

or yknow

make unique rockets

[wide river]

Deal

[sand marlin]

The Hive and Scorpio immediately lose viability

[fervent orbit]

rocket 1, 3 and mini nuke are literally the same thing except more dmg and more explosion

[drowsy plank]

that is just a lie they were literally doing fine with Rocket IIIs for years

[sand marlin]

It's fine if they are spread out enough

[sand marlin]

And
The current balance is not what it was before

Rn The Hive and Scorpio are good enough to be meta

[drowsy plank]

yeah rocket Is are pre-Mech, rocket IIIs are post-Plant, and then mini nukes could be post-Moon Lord instead of ALSO post-Plant

shrimply buff them

[fervent orbit]

make rocket launchers pre hardmode 5head

[golden sonnet]

Make cyborg post 1 mech

[fervent orbit]

rocket 1 is now post evil 2, rocket 3 is hm and mini nuke is post plant

[sand marlin]

Rocket I -> Rocket III -> Mini Nuke I
40 -> 65 -> 75
Fyi

[fervent orbit]

10 extra damage

🤯

[wide river]

We've solved progression

[fervent orbit]

nvm mini nuke is now post pbg because of PLAGUE NUKE BARRAGE!!!!!

[sand marlin]

That's the funny thing
10 is not really a small amount

[drowsy plank]

anyone else find it weird and stupid that the ammo locks for things like tungesten bullets and rocket IIIs are locked behind events being active

[fervent orbit]

yes

delete that

cog be a smart writer and write

[worldly sparrow]

anyone find it weird that you need a broken hero sword for the terra blade but you dont need any other broken hero weapons to make other terra weapons?

[wide river]

Wdym you don't talk to all of your NPCs during an invasion?

[sand marlin]

Rocket III is not locked behind an event

Solar Eclipse is an alternative to night

[fervent orbit]

[sand marlin]

Alongside werewolf transformation

Yes that works

[fervent orbit]

so

[drowsy plank]

okay rocket IV you get the point

[fervent orbit]

blood moon isnt an event?

[drowsy plank]

still dumb

[sand marlin]

It's night

Not blood moon

Oh Rocket IV I guess

[fervent orbit]

wait wat cyborg can use night

[drowsy plank]

clusters as well

[wide river]

We do not need more Broken Hero stuff
That would further ruin the Terra Blade's uniqueness

[sand marlin]

Locking dangerous stuff behind events is probably fine Idk

[fervent orbit]

terraria moment

[sand marlin]

TERRA TOILET

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[drowsy plank]

thorium terra items (they were removed and so should cal's)

[worldly sparrow]

fr where the broken hero toilet at

[swift wharf]

night and day makes sense it's a nice way to not bloat the shop

[fervent orbit]

how to not bloat shop

make it bigger

[swift wharf]

but rocket 2 & 4 are kinda goofy because they're odd rockets but destroy block

[sand marlin]

Shop overhaul when
I do find that nice tho

[drowsy plank]

i am going to be honest cyborg is not an NPC who uses too many shop slots

[swift wharf]

i said that in general cyborg is one of the worst examples

[drowsy plank]

you could just do rocket Is, rocket IIIs, and cluster Is during the day and their destructive variants at night

ez

[wide river]

So true

[swift wharf]

dryad when the

cluster rockets look pog this is the first time I hear about them

[sand marlin]

Clusters being locked behind Martians makes them post Golem and he's kind of a space guy right he probably has some ties to that

[sand marlin]

It's because they can't even be used for their intended purpose

[drowsy plank]

tfw clusters are post-Golem but are just worse than mini nukes

[sand marlin]

Yeah and that's the convert spam's fault

[swift wharf]

yeah just make nukes post ml tbh

[sand marlin]

Should let rocket launchers properly use clusters at least

[drowsy plank]

ranger have a consistent identity impossible difficulty

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-discussion message

[drowsy plank]

lol imagine if it only converted normal rockets like any other weapon type

[sand marlin]

Can't imagine

[drowsy plank]

i still dont get why you care about them being post-ML

[sand marlin]

No brain cells

[drowsy plank]

brian cells

[sand marlin]

Too late I already fixed it

[drowsy plank]

yes i said it so people know what it said before you edited

no hiding

[sand marlin]

Hiding what

A typo

[fervent orbit]

its funny because in vanilla theres individual sprites for the rocket launcher, grenade launcher and proximiry launcher rockets with every rocket ammo combination for like ??? reason

[sand marlin]

They're probably unused for whatever reason

I bet you can go post a suggestion to Red and say to fix that

It doesn't sound impossible

He takes suggestions pretty well

[fervent orbit]

like look at all this

no theyre USED

[sand marlin]

Oh so it's just sprites

[swift wharf]

i don't see how that's a problem

[golden sonnet]

I think that's cool

[fervent orbit]

why would u do this

[swift wharf]

why not

[drowsy plank]

the problem is red has to resprite it for every single type of rocket and convert so some launchers just dont have converts

[swift wharf]

bullets change sprites

arrows change sprites

why shouldn't rockets

[drowsy plank]

they should but rockets change sprites AND convert

[fervent orbit]

but bullet and arrow is 1 individual sprite

[sand marlin]

Just like arrow and bullet ammunition. Right?

[fervent orbit]

this is 12 sprites for 3 different items

[drowsy plank]

imagine if every convert gun had a sprite for every type of bullet

[swift wharf]

this literally does not impact gameplay

[drowsy plank]

it does not impact gameplay yes it just makes it hellish for anyone to try and interact with launchers when wanting to add more or more ammo types for them 💀

[sand marlin]

Wait nevermind I'm dumb

Just remove conversion of sprites

[drowsy plank]

LITERALLY

[golden sonnet]

I still don't see the issue

[sand marlin]

Remove conversion of sprites but make Cluster Rocket not convert

[swift wharf]

and it's only for 3 weapons

[golden sonnet]

Like, yeah it's unneeded but it doesn't effect anything

[swift wharf]

unless the problem is terraria

being poorly made

[drowsy plank]

yes

[swift wharf]

damn

fuck this game

[drowsy plank]

xd

[swift wharf]

goofy ahh hell

[fervent orbit]

cluster rocket literally useless for celeb mk2

[swift wharf]

just make non converts use the rocket launcher sprites or sum shit

ez

[golden sonnet]

Wait wtf why is it like that

[drowsy plank]

CLUSTER ROCKETS. LITERALLY DO NOT WORK
FOR ANY LAUNCHER
AFTER THE POINT YOU CAN OBTAIN THEM

[sand marlin]

Because if the rocket issue is to be solved either you keep consistency and make sprites for all other rocket launcher converts, or keep consistency and remove the current sprite conversions, or do not keep consistency and not remove current sprite conversions but add cluster compatibility without additional sprites to other converting rocket launchers

[golden sonnet]

Terraria is a flawless game

[drowsy plank]

💥

[swift wharf]

just rewrite rocket code

[sleek turret]

rewrite the entire fucking game alredy

[sand marlin]

I forgot to mention cluster compatibility is needed for all 3 options

[drowsy plank]

terraria 2

[swift wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coLfl30lUDM

[sand marlin]

Lmao

[golden sonnet]

That is actually a decent video

But the title is

[sleek turret]

it's satire right

[fervent orbit]

"3d sprites are easier to make than 2d ones"

this is literallt all remember from that vid

[swift wharf]

lmao.

[sleek turret]

it's like the calamity flaws video

[fervent orbit]

no its serious

[sand marlin]

It's actually not a bad video

[swift wharf]

call terraria a good game call terraria a great game call terraria your favorite game i don't care

this game will never be perfect

[sleek turret]

no game is perfect

[golden sonnet]

True

Just play multiplayer, zero flaws

[sand marlin]

Perfect doesn't exist

It's a ceiling

Except it's void

[sleek turret]

thing is that we want games to be the most polished as posible

with all the small details and stuff

[swift wharf]

anyways i'm not watching video essay about terraria I just find the title funny as fuck

[sand marlin]

By perfect you just imply that you would be COMPLETELY satisfied with it

[swift wharf]

not even that

just a game that doesn't have hellish functionalities

[sleek turret]

(Terraria)

[swift wharf]

isn't there somethign about increasing rocket damage also increases other ammo damage

[sleek turret]

specialist shroomite helmet?

i recall the wiki page talking about it

[sand marlin]

Ye

That is it

Rocket counts as all but arrow and bullet ammo damage

[swift wharf]

So if you try to modify rocket damage you also modify dart and other ammo damage, something like that

[odd geyser]

True perfection ain't real imo

[sleek turret]

perfection (a social product to describe)

[odd geyser]

And even then, it can be perfect, but for you, not for everyone

Like

Perfect but not absolutely for everyone

True perfection implies it is for everyone and anything

And that cannot be achieved

There will always be that one person who dislikes something everyone else likes

[eager bobcat]

It wasn't perfect but then they added bunny slimes

[atomic shell]

okay shotgunk actually sounds pretty badass

i support

[serene tendon]

I'm always in favor of puns

[sand marlin]

I like the idea of guaranteeing 10% drops but that suggestion doesn't look good gonna be honest

Any mention of malice probably invalidates it

[grim tusk]

Not again

Also iirc this is an insta 🔒 lol

[frosty trellis]

Also: You would think you would have a trophy after 10 kills, but I remember on WFB that it took us what, like, over 20 plantera kills? Over 15 derrclops kills? For a trophy

So it's not even guarenteed you can get just as cuckfucked

[sand marlin]

Make trophies guaranteed after 10 kills if I recall

[golden sonnet]

it's the exact same odds, I don't get the point of this sugg

[serene tendon]

The point is if you get either one than you can get the weapon

[frosty trellis]

And both can cuckfuck you so

[glass arch]

it was over 20 for deers trophy i remember that much

[frosty trellis]

It was? God damn

[wide river]

Some absurd number
I remember leaving and coming back and you were still farming it

[glass arch]

we had fucking ptsd from that shit

[ashen warren]

trophies are easier to get than reics

[frosty trellis]

I thought it wasn't over 20 but I guess it never mattered that much I couldn't die anyways

[sand marlin]

+900% grindset

[north oracle]

You had to fight deer 20 times? That’s a traumatic experience

[frosty trellis]

Relics are guarenteed

[frosty trellis]

TRUEEEEEEEE
Just in general

[golden sonnet]

doing a gfb with friends rn, took 43 mechdusa kills for the destroyer trophy

[glass arch]

20 times at 10x hp

[ashen warren]

i meant the opposite

[golden sonnet]

: )

[grim tusk]

Why do people still think that legendaries are mandatory

[swift wharf]

90% of terraria players quit before getting the drop they want

[frosty trellis]

They absolutely aren't lmao

[glass arch]

i can do an entire run without a single former legendary

[serene tendon]

They're not, but people who want them should be able to get them more consistently

[grim tusk]

I’d fucking love to just fucking nerf em to be a normal item and change their obtainment

[sand marlin]

Add miner dude here

[north oracle]

If you wanted, even Arbalest can be fully skipped for caustibow

[sand marlin]

Terraria drop rates are scuffed
But also
Why are you not using luck?

[wide river]

I know a few former legendaries have either already gotten that treatment or are planned to

[sand marlin]

Literal luck stat

[glass arch]

YES DO THIS RARITY DOESNT EXCUSE POWER

see: coin gun

[wide river]

I wouldn't mind if the rest had that happen too

[swift wharf]

clearly you never farmed for 0.02% legendaries in bl2

[north oracle]

(Someone please nerf Arbalest)

[sand marlin]

The RoD farming gigachads:

[north oracle]

^
There’s no reason this thing should be better than astral bow

[golden sonnet]

It's nerfed when the clockwork glitch is fixed

[wide river]

Fryzahh:

[glass arch]

ah so ench and fryzahh

[swift wharf]

what's the rod odds

[worldly sparrow]

thank fuck i got my weapon low% done before this inevitably happens

[frosty trellis]

Just... Don't do the same thing y'all did to SHPC's obtainment, gotta be one of my least favorite items to get legitimately

[grim tusk]

Aka: it has already been

[glass arch]

its like 1% from chaos elementals

[wide river]

0.2%
Rises to 0.25% in Expert Mode
Further rises to 1% on the CelebrationMk10 seed

[golden sonnet]

Based

[swift wharf]

ROOKIE numbers

farm more

[worldly sparrow]

clearly none of yall have gotten the dirtiest block

1/10000

[glass arch]

yeah shpc is brutal to get legit

[frosty trellis]

I don't like a method of obtainment being purely RNG based with a structure that you're going to spend probably way too long finding more than 4 of anyways

[swift wharf]

ok fuck

[golden sonnet]

I have.

Unfortunately.

Deleted 1/10th of the getfixedboi world

[swift wharf]

tbf dirtiest block can be found from any dirt

[serene tendon]

RoD is rarer because of how many times per second you can roll the dice

[frosty trellis]

Yeah
I genuinely cheat it in every pt I do that I want it in as it's the only item I don't have the patience to get

[sand marlin]

The 4k hours RoD grinders without a single drop:

[swift wharf]

unlike 0.02% legendaries from slot machines

[worldly sparrow]

slime staff then

[swift wharf]

rookie number

[worldly sparrow]

1/7500 if im not mistaken

[swift wharf]

10x easier to get

[worldly sparrow]

wait its also 1/10000 in normal mode

[serene tendon]

What about we make legendaries nohit-exclusive

[worldly sparrow]

that doesn't sound like a problem at all

[glass arch]

i would rather kill you

[sand marlin]

I made a RoD farm in vanilla at one point and got like 8+ in a few weeks

[wide river]

Polarities when it (I think Polarities does this anyway)

[worldly sparrow]

oh yeah did you know re-logic tried to fix afk grinding for rod of discord?

[grave zinc]

@lament mulch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change summoner sets to say "increased summon damage" instead of "increased minion damage"]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sand marlin]

It'd be fine if nohitting them was truly challenging
But it's not that bad and you get pretty broken items

[glass arch]

yep polarities has nohit rewards

[sand marlin]

And I just added a permanent hoik

Problem fixed

[worldly sparrow]

they made it so chaos elementals wont spawn if you havent moved for 5 seconds

[swift wharf]

and then there's dice rolls from bl2 dlc where the chance to get a legendary from them in a slot machine is 1/125k kinda

[worldly sparrow]

yeah thats why i said they TRIED to fix it

theres so many other things

such as macros

[sand marlin]

Like walls

[worldly sparrow]

that can bypass it

[wide river]

Implementation

[swift wharf]

there are no legendaries in this mod wake up

[serene tendon]

frog leg

[sand marlin]

If you have background walls, Chaos Elementals and Enchanted Swords cannot spawn

Or you're standing behind one*

AFK farm usually has them.
Remove a part of it, problem fixed

[worldly sparrow]

also if you are in range of a shadow candle chaos elementals can still spawn

[sand marlin]

Idk what that item does I only know it exists

[worldly sparrow]

it removes peace of towns

by giving you a debuff

said debuff also happens to allow chaos elemental spawns

[sand marlin]

That is

Hilarious

[worldly sparrow]

also being on an infinite flight mount counts as moving somehow

[sand marlin]

Oh you know why that happens

[worldly sparrow]

and dont even get me started on minecarts and conveyors

[sand marlin]

It's because you gain stacking fall damage for however long you are not on the ground

So that counts towards movement I guess

Fall damage is not just based on height but also timer

[frosty trellis]

Lol that was quick

[north oracle]

Eyyyy

[serene tendon]

It deserved to be that quickly accepted imo

Should I change the sugg to having the former legendaries drop every 10th kill of the boss instead?

[grim tusk]

No matter what you do its getting 🔒 afaik

[distant gyro]

[swift wharf]

just increase their odds lmao

[sand marlin]

Yeah I was assuming it's just one change

[sand marlin]

👆

[swift wharf]

;clueless;

turn them into normal weapons ig

pretty sure they're balanced the same way

[sand marlin]

Legendaries don't exist
There is only weapon and weapon

[swift wharf]

no unique drops

muahaha

[drowsy plank]

literally just make them normal drops

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[eager bobcat]

Fighting a boss twice is forbidden

[swift wharf]

I remember the exlegendaries getting their obtainment method reworked in the future but idk if that still exists

nor idk if it became balice

malice

[shut pollen]

shotgunk lmao

ok the conversation already happened but people like the pronunciation of shotgunk over gunk shot?

maybe it’s cause of the Pokémon move but gunk shot sounds way better

the last point is good though

[worldly sparrow]

it really doesn't sound better

[drowsy plank]

gunk shot is a good name for a pokemon move, but shotgunk is a better name for what is quite literally a shotgun

[ornate kestrel]

I like shotgunk

I'm also surprised the chaos thing passed

[drowsy plank]

chaos?

oh chaos stone

yeah it's just a suggestion of an upgrade, not an explict declaration of an item, it's trying to address a problem so im cool with it

[wide river]

I don't see why it wouldn't pass
I guess it might be seen as a bit of a SIS, but it's well within the rules of suggesting

[shut pollen]

yeah the last point is good

saying it rolls off the tongue when it feels way worse to say is a no

[worldly sparrow]

it really does roll off the tongue better man

[cobalt pewter]

I'd rather they remove the pokemon reference if they ain't gonna do anything with it

[worldly sparrow]

fr

• if you're gonna reference pokemon, reference a more known move at least

[wide river]

Imma be honest I didn't know Gunk Shot was a move
There's too many of them

[glass arch]

i knew gunk shot was a move i just never connected it and gunk shot

[worldly sparrow]

plus im not gonna use a weapon named gunk shot

but on the other hand i'd totally use a weapon named hyper beam

[glass arch]

like fuckin leeching seed from ror2 is a great pokemon reference because its an actually known move

even tho the item is mid as hell

[worldly sparrow]

ay, mid is still better than bad

[glass arch]

the main with with leeching seed is you only really take it if you have high attack speed and/or no healing whatsoever

[sleek turret]

never knew the item was a pokemon reference until now LMAO

[glass arch]

other than that its a free green scrap

[sick belfry]

rex likes it

that's kinda it

no wait

mul-t

only really mul-t

unless you go duel rebar

[worldly sparrow]

id take a half-good pun over an extremely obscure reference any day

[golden tulip]

cant you just equip gear to extend the time poison sets in

[sand marlin]

Effigy of Decay, Sulphurskin potion, probably Sulphurous armor, just airholes, really there's a lot you can do to prevent Sulphuric Poisoning

[tired haven]

Also you can make air pockets to reset poisoning
And it's not like you have to spam them either

wait, it was already mentioned

[crude geode]

Crabbar can’t read confirmed

[bold wave]

Opinions abt making Fearmonger Armor give immunity to Dragonfire and Vulnerability Hex?

Cuz otherwise I feel the tooltip saying "Immunity to all forms of frost and flame" is false advertising

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message something something something ✅

no reaction moment

[bold wave]

And b4 you say Vulnerability Hex isn't a "flame"...

[small timber]

they will probably not give you vulnerability hex immune just because it is a huge part of Scal's damage balancing

they massively nerfed her damage output but give her vulnerability hex which can reduce your damage to punish you for taking hits repeatedly

it inherently serves a different function compare to other debuff (which is just burn damage); vulnerability hex have the important function of countering defense and DR/facetanking

[bold wave]

At least make it negate the damage

[small timber]

you can already negate the damage with astral arcanum

[bold wave]

Sure

[small timber]

the only thing that makes it a "fire" debuff is just because it is classified as fire under the elemental resistance, which does not have any effect on the player

tldr is it is basically a "curse" not a "burn", therefore there is no reason for fearmonger to gain immunity to it (even if just the damage part)

[bold wave]

In addition:
-It's inflicted by things such as:
Brimstone Fireblast
Brimstone Hellblast
Brimstone Flame Skull
The Torch god

-oiled increases the damage

-when you die to it, it says "<PlayerName> was charred by the brimstone inferno."

[small timber]

the fireblast applies a curse to you, otherwise why should the hellblast also apply the same thing

[small timber]

that one was in fact probably due to abyssal flame which was one of scal's old debuff that they just didn't change the death message because it doesn't matter

[bold wave]

C'mon, the only part of it that isn't fire/flames is the name

[bold wave]

They added that b4 Abyssal Flames were removed

According to the wiki

[small timber]

it is not a matter of "theming", it is a matter of balancing
dps debuff serves the very important role of stopping the player on face tanking with just high regen, which you can already do even without immunity to vul hex/its damage over time effect currently

which is why most debuff resistance is so out of the way most of the time (except holy inferno/nightwither which they basically screwed up and now providence just stop dealing actual damage), while God Slayer Inferno immune straight up is unobtainable before DOG and Dragonfire immune is locked on a ranger accessory

I agree with Fearmonger giving immunity to Dragonfire because 1) there is no excuse, it literally have fire in the name, and 2) there is already option for it

vulnerability hex on the other hand currently doesn't have either

[bold wave]

That's a fair argument. I'm just saying that it makes the player feel bad when they're "charred by the brimstone inferno", when their armor supposedly gives them "immunity to all forms of frost and flame"

So if they don't make it give immunity to it, they either need to reflavour the debuff, or make the Fearmonger Armor tooltip say smth abt it

[small timber]

well they can also just change fearmonger tooltip to say "immunity to most forms of frost and flames", but yeah

[bold wave]

I agree

[small timber]

for vulnerability hex I think for balancing reason it is enough if they just change the death message (which was referred to abyssal flame basically) but yeah it is kind of out of the way which is why it was not paid attention to for so long

[sand marlin]

(+30 defense)

Referring to recent sugg

[bold wave]

If they go that route I think they also need to make it not affected by oiled

[cobalt heath]

ty for reminding me

[sand marlin]

Also Yharim's Gift is exclusive so can't remove that

Best case is rework

[small timber]

that one was probably just so you can scale the debuff considering it is available so late

because I am 99% sure elemental resistance only apply to the enemy, so oiled only have a function on enemy
(since the counterpart Miracle Blight from Exo is intentionally made to have no type and unscalable but also not resisted by anything)

[cobalt heath]

Yeah that's why sugg was for a rework

it's a sad item imo

[small timber]

it is an ok item, pretty good even, just boring

[sand marlin]

"I would be up for flat out removing the item" as such that part is not really necessary

Just a negative on your sugg if anything

That looks better

[cobalt heath]

the stat boost is nice as a game optimiser

I almost always use it instead of wings cus wing = bad

but it could be so much more

[sand marlin]

[cobalt heath]

than just 15% dmg and speed and 30 defence

[sand marlin]

What does wings have to do with this

[cobalt heath]

no I just said it it has nothing to do w it

[cobalt pewter]

remnants of the time when cal cared about adding expert mode items

(and oldlamity relic in general)

[bold wave]

First draft:
Make Fearmonger Armor's tooltip accurate

Currently, the tooltip states that it gives "immunity to all forms of frost and flame". However, Dragonfire and Vulnerability Hex aren't included, making the tooltip inaccurate.

In the case of Dragonfire, the issue is obvious. A player will always intuit that a debuff with such a name should count as a flame debuff.

The issue with Vulnerability Hex is subtler. While its name doesn't suggest it being a flame, it's otherwise flavored as if it was. For example, its death message; a player wearing armor that gives them "immunity to all forms of frost and flame" will feel like they've been tricked when they are "charred by the brimstone inferno".

There are multiple solutions to this. One is to make the armor give immunity to said debuffs, or at least their damage. Alternatively, if such changes are deemed imbalanced, it's possible to change the tooltip of Fearmonger Armor to read something like "Immunity to most forms of frost and flame". Lastly, in the case of Vulnerability Hex, it's possible to change its flavor so that it couldn't be interpreted as a flame debuff.

[swift wharf]

hex is wack

shoudn't be a flame debuff imo but that's a story for another day

[neat linden]

late reply but imo it could act like miracle blight

where it isn't a debuff of any type

it's just a debuff

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it doesn't need to deal dot if all it does is increasing dmg taken

wait

I misread that

but yeah I agree

Hex could be a nothing type

[drowsy plank]

i suppose it is already strong enough that you wouldnt really need to use debuff modifiers

[bold wave]

Yeah I agree, it's supposed to be a hex

[wide river]

@outer elbow Please read the suggestion rules in the pins
This violates several of the Don'ts listed there, including the Specific Item Suggestion and "Reference for the sake of a reference" Don'ts

[swift wharf]

The fuck is an infernal suevite

[wide river]

The new name of Charred Ore

[swift wharf]

Bruh

Using funny words to appear smart I see

[gilded scroll]

also, DMC overrated anyways

[fervent orbit]

writes whole ass paragraphs but cant be fucked reading pins

[drowsy plank]

oh dante dmc2

binny blease play dmc2

i thought this was an OC or something

also lol xd this is just like exoblade but worse i think

[gilded scroll]

ah well, anyways, suggestion bad

[swift wharf]

sis bad go home now

🧹 out of my lawn

[fervent orbit]

idk about u but when dante is mentioned on the internet one or my nuerons think "dmc", despite never consuming dmc content

i just know dante is a dmc person and dmc is memed

[gilded scroll]

i feel motivated seeing this bad suggestion to make a suggestion

[fervent orbit]

ah yes lets flag the sugg it can totally be saved

[bold wave]

You know, a single exclamation mark indicates a good move in chess notation

[gilded scroll]

but what issues with that mod do i have after not playing for months?

[undone cedar]

there aren’t many reference weapons in the mod

SO TRUE

Best suggestion

[gilded scroll]

touhou totally doesnt have like- 6 refrence weapons in the mod

[crude geode]

[fervent orbit]

pre hm ore cant be clentaminated into astral ore

despite every other naturaly spawning astral biome block can be clentamimated

[gilded scroll]

(im totally not waiting for Calam GFB to be done so i can make my friend suffer)

[outer elbow]

No it's not.

[gilded scroll]

In my opinion, yes it is

[fervent orbit]

isnt it like 9, being the most referenced series

[swift wharf]

you can't clentaminate iron into crimtane

[fervent orbit]

or mayb 11

[gilded scroll]

we OBVIOUSLY need more

[fervent orbit]

uhm

[undone cedar]

I feel like

[fervent orbit]

iron doesnt convert into crimtane naturally

[undone cedar]

This is a joke suggestion

it has to be fr

[gilded scroll]

if it was a joke, why is it in such detail?

[worldly sparrow]

crazy how this man got his sugg flagged for breaking mot of the rules, then only came into sugg discussion once dmc was called out

[fervent orbit]

.

[undone cedar]

Because its a joke

[outer elbow]

It's not.

[gilded scroll]

man just couldnt handle the fax

[swift wharf]

Why delete it when I can watch it get deleted instead

[fervent orbit]

chaos elemental sugg:

[swift wharf]

Anyways the suggestion breaks the rules blah blah blah

Now get out

🧹

[gilded scroll]

to the bin, it goes

[worldly sparrow]

to the incenerator

[outer elbow]

Incinerator*

[fervent orbit]

holy shit we've been got

💥

[swift wharf]

I'm going to hit you people with a broom

[worldly sparrow]

*Incarcerator

[outer elbow]

That's prison, not fire.

[fervent orbit]

guess it gets added since its clearly not a joke sugg

[worldly sparrow]

your sugg is going to prison, not fire.

[swift wharf]

[outer elbow]

Why would my suggestion be added if it's bad?

[swift wharf]

This isn't going anywhere

[gilded scroll]

just get rid of it, ffs

[glass arch]

"there arent that many reference weapons" my brother in christ theres like 30 touhou reference weapons ALONE

[gilded scroll]

i bet i could do it better anyways

[bold wave]

So many ppl think it's good (they reacted with ❗)

[outer elbow]

What's Touhou?

[worldly sparrow]

lmfao

[gilded scroll]

a good game series, very fun

[swift wharf]

So yeah stop with it

Ganging up on ! suggestion is 2022 go home

[bold wave]

What's meta gear rise revenge?

[outer elbow]

No, I actually don't know what Touhou is.

[bold wave]

Me neither, I've only heard of it in the context of calamity 😭

[glass arch]

a very popular series of bullet hell games

[gilded scroll]

with everyone being pretty much overpowered to hell

[bold wave]

Well, not popular enough for me to know it

[outer elbow]

Ok.

[buoyant idol]

1/1,000,000,000 is basically none

That's rarer than the old halibut cannon

This is a joke for all intents and purposes, this thing is more complicated than AOTC and instakills bosses on top of being an SIS

Should I ping Cog?

[hollow ridge]

Isn't this the toxic community guy

Someone didnt read #rules
Or the channel desc in #suggestions-posting
Or the channel desc in #suggestions-discussion
Or the channel desc in #suggestions-voting
Or the pins in #suggestions-voting
Or the pins in #suggestions-posting
Or the pins in #suggestions-discussion
Or the message 3 messages above in #suggestions-posting

Someone get an admin to change #suggestions-posting to suggestions-posting-read-pins

Tbh tbh

[gilded scroll]

yay, its gone

[swift wharf]

Ig people will complain less about something that literally does not affect them so I booted it

[crude geode]

Yes

[hollow ridge]

Bored

[odd geyser]

the memes kinda are atleast

idk about the game but my god the memes are everywhere

it was slightly funny at first but it got so

damn

the only thing funny about them is if they mix the plushie in my pfp's theme with bury the light

and that'll be the last time I laugh at anything DMC related if it ever happens

[crude geode]

Anything can be overrated if it’s over saturated

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Most Hardmode Yoyos More Agile and Have Infinite Duration]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sleek turret - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Vernal Soil Blend With All Tiles]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grizzled dome]

I only now saw the "shotgunk" vote and... gunk shot is already a reference. It's the name of a pokemon move. I missed when it was first discussed, though.

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent Starting Tools/Starting Bag Tools From Having Negative Modifiers]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Pleasantly surprising, that

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/tbh-white-creature-yipee-break-fall-apart-gif-25850097

hooray!!

[crude geode]

None of the reasoning for shotgunk revolves around it being a reference

[atomic shell]

as a yoyo fan I am ecstatic

[crude geode]

and also references bad iirc tbh tbh

[glass arch]

gunk shot doesnt even make sense to be a reference to gunk shot, its hardly reminiscent of the move in the first place

[ripe owl]

What's the point of a reference if it doesn't reference the object of reference?

[deft yew]

gunk shot doesn't even shoot gunk, bad weapon

[ripe owl]

Ture

[atomic shell]

make gunk shot shoot a large slightly inaccurate purple ball that deals 120 damage

[deft yew]

SIS, out the door

[atomic shell]

i know it’s SIS but my toxicroak can learn it

[ashen warren]

Shotgunk is a funny ass name, I really hope it gets accepted

[worldly sparrow]

i dont hope shotgunk gets accepted

i hope it gets implemented

[ashen warren]

Ain't that the same thing? If they accept the suggestion they implement it right

[worldly sparrow]

accepted suggestions are basically just implemented suggs but coming at a slightly later date

[ashen warren]

Fug

[ripe owl]

Altix please bless us with an "It has been officially implemented"

:prayge:

[bright crag]

Well, depends on the suggestion
A name change like this would probably get implemented fast

[halcyon zealot]

Goofy ah name
Maybe add a tooltip: "Shotgunk if you will"

[crude geode]

No

[small timber]

I mean before you "increase the variety of defensive accessories between post-ML and post-DoG", it probably should be "increase the variety of accessories between post-ML and post-DoG"

[north oracle]

Lmao

True

[sand marlin]

I mean

There is variety, most of them are just incredibly niche or suck

[small timber]

iirc yeah basically only mele have some options

[sand marlin]

Blazing Core rework when

[north oracle]

Ranger gets both DSO and QoN then at least

[small timber]

other class namely ranger have daawnlight spirit origin which is relevant, mage lmao, rogue surprisingly only has that signus drop and moonstone crown? and summoner surprisingly also only have like 1 relevant?

[sand marlin]

Also DFolly upgrade to the dash

Rogue ^

[small timber]

ok ranger also have quiver of nihility, summoner has phantomic artifact (which will finally be usable next patch with buff slots)

[frosty trellis]

(I was more just focusing on one aspect because well.... Say too much and it could get flagged for large scope)

[north oracle]

True

[sand marlin]

Just make 6 suggestions, 5 about class specific accs and 1 about tank accs

Ok not 5

[frosty trellis]

Bruhhhhhh

[small timber]

10 different suggestions to add 10 different mage accessories at specific point of progression

[frosty trellis]

LMAO

[sand marlin]

True

[dull prairie]

Honestly, real lol

[small timber]

now waiting for 9 more

[frosty trellis]

Why 9?

[small timber]

but instead nooooo we must have shotgunk instead

[frosty trellis]

OH

Lol

[small timber]

this was rejected (they prefer other approach) but 1 day it will happen

0 copium

[cobalt pewter]

expecting larger suggestions like that to go through against a rename sugg? boy

(I like both suggs but it's clear that renaming gunk shot is far simpler)

[small timber]

the thing is I don't even like the name shotgunk over gunk shot, it just sounds way too basic and basically like, have nothing?
because this rename make the weapon "name identity" lose any meaning when it is renamed, people will just think shotgunk is "shotgun + k" instead of an alternative naming to gunkshot (the weapon property being literally a shotgun and nothing else doesn't help either)

this is like the same as skynamite rename: it is now just a dynamite that float in the sky, the naming become literal

[halcyon zealot]

Wasn't there something planned for YhGift already

[small timber]

suggestion usually don't account for future content unless it is 100% confirmed

or the devs can always put the 🔒 symbol if they already have plan for it

[stable kiln]

yharims gift rework is planned, so a suggestion isn't needed

it's just rhat no one really has an idea as to what now

[grave zinc]

@cobalt heath - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Yharims gift]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[stable kiln]

(and I didn't see it earlier which is why I didn't flag it or something

[fleet igloo]

Yharim’s gift getting removed as well?

[cobalt pewter]

read again

[small timber]

move the entire silva revive to yharim's gift and give silva a different set bonus

nothing broken about an accessory having silva revive at all

[sand marlin]

Ah yes give tank more ways to be impenetrable

[bold wave]

Nebulous Core

[sand marlin]

Surely a revive can't be bad right
Nebulous Core:

[bold wave]

Permafrost's Concoction 😭

It's okay for multiplayer

[sand marlin]

Permafrost's Concoction is actually fine

It gives you ADR

[small timber]

permafrost concoction is good because of the wrong reason
its mana stat is quite stupid

on singleplayer unless it is a relatively passive or low hit frequency boss (eg: let's say calclone) most of the time you just die with the ADR

[bold wave]

Yeah but you'll probably still die if the boss focuses on you

[small timber]

on some bosses you might live though, like deus (outside of contact damage)

[bold wave]

Sure

[sand marlin]

Well I remember surviving about half of my revives because I'm not squishy as fuck

Though I'd still forfeit those runs simply because they were just bad runs in general

[small timber]

but yeah, you use it mainly because mana stat, the revive is a side additional benefit that may or may not let you continue to live which is good enough

[bold wave]

Yeah it gives a lot of mana usage reduction

[sand marlin]

What's the point of having more max mana from side things if you scale enough into late game for mana potions?

[small timber]

if you are using it when you are tanky chances are you probably don't need the revive anyway

[sand marlin]

But also it's quite easy to hit the cap anyway

I feel like there's max mana bloat + the cap makes it worse

[small timber]

it is mostly mana cost reduction and max mana at that point, it is still basically serve as a small damage boost basically because mana potion decrease damage

but yeah, most weapons don't have mana issue anyway

[sand marlin]

Oh no I definitely find the cost reduction great

It's just the max mana looks off there

[small timber]

the only case I found it super useful is in my yharim's crystal mana cost reduction build, where it allow you to have below 5 seconds mana sickness which massively boost the damage

[small timber]

you usually will not yet reached mana cap at the time permafrost concoction is available

[sand marlin]

Oh I wasn't talking about that
The cap only matters important post ML

[small timber]

like say 200 base + 1 perma upgrade = 50, +100 from armor, is only 350; if your accessory also give mana chances are even if 100 you only have 450; 550 is cap

[sand marlin]

It's just something like permafrost concoction still not being a bad accessory later on but the max mana not really being necessary and issues with mana cap

[bold wave]

Does calamity increase max mana cap?

[small timber]

I mean permafrost' concoction is post-Cryogen (which is pre-mech tier/mech 1)

if you are still using it at post-ML it probably is good enough

[sand marlin]

Oh god

I just realized

This is an issue of mage not having many accs again

[bold wave]

Yeah it sucks

[sand marlin]

HUH

It's not just ADR???

You also get 30 defense???

[bold wave]

Yup

30 adr 30 defense 3 seconds

[sand marlin]

Okay yeah this is actually

This should be considered in a tank setup

@frosty trellis I leave it to you

[tired haven]

the 3 seconds of tanking with 100 hp remaining
yeaaah

[sand marlin]

30% max health

[tired haven]

120 hp

[bold wave]

166

[sand marlin]

It can be more! Later on

[tired haven]

emphasis is on 3 seconds anyway but ye

[bold wave]

It used to be 5

[sand marlin]

That nerf was probably because people were annoyed and not because it was op

[bold wave]

It also gives an okay amount of life regen

[small timber]

basically heavily depend on the boss yes

[sand marlin]

Budget Astral Arcanum until actual late game

[small timber]

if you have a plantera having its hitbox stucked inside you or fishron charging you 5 times in a row you will not live, but a calclone shooting you every once in a full moon you will live

and then here comes star veil and it dont matter anyway

[bright crag]

Don't worry, even if it doesn't pass, the desire to make a Chaos Stone upgrade is evident

[fleet igloo]

The last time I remember this happening is the suggestion calling for the renaming of Excalibur Shortsword

Said shortsword got removed shortly after

[ripe owl]

Simply a coincidence, nothing much

[royal tapir]

Yharim's Gift rework with a lock emoji

On god?

[thorn dock]

I would love to see a new defensive item that uses ursa sergeant

Some specualtions about regenator builds are also going on 🤔 ursa would fit into that

[small timber]

hero shield upgrade with ursa sergeant and flamelicked skull

"+100 defense, you can't move"

[frosty trellis]

Bold of you to assume i need to move

[ashen warren]

mpg: i see no problem with this

[frosty trellis]

🐌

[ashen warren]

:c

[ripe owl]

Nonono

MPG depicted himself through this snail emoji

So don't be sad

[frosty trellis]

LOL

I mean fair enough

[ripe owl]

A slowly moving yet very damn protected living being

(that more applies to the turtle but you get it)

[ashen warren]

at the first sign of danger, the wild mpg will retreat back into its reaver shell

[frosty trellis]

I unironically use turtle armor so that works

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[glass arch]

me entering with a bucket of road salt:

[golden sonnet]

[ashen warren]

its fine mpg has arcanum theyll just outheal the debuff

[glass arch]

:true:

[frosty trellis]

I love it when my random post sentiels accessory can let me have positive life Regen through SCal's debuff!!!!

[small timber]

I mean the DPS part is kind of not the main point of Scal's debuff

it is the flight reduction + defense reduction, but yeah

otherwise the DPS of vul hex should be at minimum 15-18, since God Slayer Inferno is 15 health/s and Dragonfire is 18/s, both of which is to just deal a lot of damage

[cobalt heath]

nice

[hollow shell]

@surreal pond Wait until Calamity is on 1.4.4 before making suggestions about 1.4.4

[surreal pond]

oh

sorry

[hollow shell]

It's aight

[hollow shell]

@gentle chasm Is this a serious suggestion

[gentle chasm]

yes

[hollow shell]

ok

You need a better reason than that if so

It's kinda hard to justify giving Rage a world-exploration purpose like that when its current function is so intrinsically tied with combat, getting close to enemies

[gentle chasm]

sometimes the rage meter fills up when you aren't specifically fighting enemies, like, for example, when you're terraforming

[hollow shell]

You should mention that in your suggestion

[gentle chasm]

yeah i should

[hollow shell]

Try and justify why this would be a good change other than just "itd give it another purpose"

feels weird to be talking with you like you're a first-time suggester when you've been around since 2017, how

[gentle chasm]

i don't do this often, and tbh i've always sucked at suggesting

[drowsy plank]

the use for rage when exploring is dealing with fodder enemies

this is a lot more apparent in modes like death

[grim tusk]

^

fuck UG desert

rage helps to deal with that :D

[swift wharf]

angry mining

[random pasture]

You hit the rocks 10% harder

It doesnt actually increase mining speed, but you do hit them harder

[worldly sparrow]

surely this is satire

right?

right?

[crude geode]

@drowsy plank kill

[bold wave]

Real funny

[noble jewel]

hello moderation!

[crude geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497604235509235726/1016828596452601866/calamity_to_my_mental_state.gif

[noble jewel]

ain't that XQC typing

[worldly sparrow]

where is the cog when you need him

[noble jewel]

⚙️

[worldly sparrow]

thats a gear, not a cog

[noble jewel]

might go FULL odech mode on THIS guy....

[glass arch]

@drowsy plank we got a jokester

[noble jewel]

ain't that a jojo reference

[small timber]

"Please add my super specific item suggestion it is a super good idea I swear"

"Item: Identity Crisis"

"Effect: all class specific damage become all damage increase instead, all classes use mana, ammo (gun, bow, rocket ammo all at the sametime), scale melee speed, use stealth strike damage and max stealth and also tag damage work on all weapons as flat damage increase; as a tradeoff your total damage output is x0.5

it is a good idea that is completely balanced and 100% definitely is not a joke I am 100% serious"

[noble jewel]

tldr:

[small timber]

no-read-pins suggestion example no.N

[worldly sparrow]

🎙️ alright so what was going through your head when you were making that suggestion?

[noble jewel]

boy why you so Yharon the Dragon 😭

[hollow ridge]

Godoftroll

?

[frosty siren]

there's a place perfect for this kind of calamity content, I'll dm you so you dont have to continue here

[noble jewel]

XF-09 "Ares"

[worldly sparrow]

what was the theme

[noble jewel]

XF-09 "Ares"

[worldly sparrow]

sir i know hypixel build battle when i see it

[drowsy plank]

what even

[bold wave]

Stop engaging

[worldly sparrow]

finally the mod has arrival

[noble jewel]

Hello, moderation!

[glass arch]

hi cog

[worldly sparrow]

oh cool its deleted

[small timber]

I will be honest the rage suggestion feels like abit exclaimable

like the rage filled up so.... you can use it to kill the enemy you encounter faster?

why does it need to boost mining speed, especially after they plan to nerf a lot of mining speed next patch?

[crude geode]

People hate mining

[small timber]

yeah, though they have another option, like this perfect QoL mod people created in 2050

ok found it, perfect for mining hating people

[drowsy plank]

it was already ! and rover unexclaimed it so

idk

[cobalt pewter]

I keep forgetting I have an entire folder dedicated to this single image

[fervent orbit]

they said theyll fix it

[drowsy plank]

i mean it does have an (edited) but if it is still bad i can flag it again ig

[sand marlin]

Good sugg

Though the dash isn't really bad besides not being able to ram

In fact it's better than shit like Statis' Belt

[dim snow]

the dash itself is perfectly fine, but i feel like ramming is a very large appeal of dashes especially when going up against something like folly

i just think it feels unreasonably worse

my personal choice would probably be to make other dash accessories override it

so it still has something unique to the armor set but if you wanna ram specifically you can use an accessory slot to change it

[sand marlin]

Well I get it but ram isn't a requirement it's just a convenience and you're certainly not that worse off if you just don't try to ram with it

[dim snow]

i think for folly specifically (one of the 3 bosses youd use lunar armor on) it makes avoiding the dashes substatially more annoying for no reason compared to other classes

armor set buffs should never have unavoidable downsides if there isnt alternatives imo

[sand marlin]

I think that's just your playstyle not accounting for normally dodging Folly dashes and instead playing like you can always ram it

[dim snow]

yes, but im saying i dont think not being able to ram it logically makes sense for only one specific class

[sand marlin]

Well the reason for this is if you make folly seem like it's a dash intensive boss the sugg won't look good

Things like that

[dim snow]

wdym

[sand marlin]

You're trying to set a standard that folly is a dash intensive boss which means the solar being unable to ram matters which is not really the case

[sand marlin]

You could say not being able to properly ram, like this, when it's supposed to be a ram doesn't make sense

But folly example was off

[dim snow]

ah

i wasnt meaning it specifically to be about folly i just think that a dash that cant ram and cant be toggled off without losing the set itself wasnt good

idk if that point got across

[sand marlin]

You said it was the main reason

[dim snow]

it was the main example

i dont feel as if thats very different idk

[sand marlin]

Yeah

So it matters

[fervent orbit]

it can ram its just 4 iframes

and also needs a solar charge too but like you pretty much always have them

[crude geode]

I swear this has come up before

Yes it has lmao

[neat linden]

every other ram has 12 iframes, so the solution is simple

b'yeah i agree with the sugg

[sand marlin]

I disagree with Clockwork being irrelevant but for the most part while this is necessary, melee needs this over ranger if anything

[cobalt heath]

Why not have both?

[sand marlin]

Too big scope

[cobalt heath]

I dont really understand melee in the same way

so I am not suggesting it

[sand marlin]

Broadswords with no interesting or unique purposes

They are also just, bad

[cobalt heath]

I am ranger tard and I dont want to suggest something I havent looked into

[sand marlin]

That's fine

Understandable

[cobalt heath]

and it irrelevant, due to bows being bad in general that tier

[sand marlin]

It's Phangasm not Phantasm

[sand marlin]

No

Clockwork Bow is pretty good

Has no relation to bows really

Besides just being a bow

[cobalt heath]

its more of a shotgun

[sand marlin]

That's really not it

Idk where you're going with this

[cobalt heath]

Yeah the point is semi irrelevant

[sand marlin]

Also I think Astreal Defeat is also viable on Prov

Though it's weird

[cobalt heath]

cus we are not talking about clockerk being bad, it is the structure of late game ranger being kinda

bad

man I feel so bad for ultima for example

[sand marlin]

Well then you should talk about that, not the wrong examples

[cobalt heath]

it is such a cool weapon

[sand marlin]

That'll help your sugg look better

[swift wharf]

TRUE suggestion

[sand marlin]

I want to make suggestions

But

I don't want to make suggestions

[swift wharf]

same

[cobalt heath]

someone can do the same for melee

if they want

cus Ik there is an issue there but I have no clue which weapon is outshined

[swift wharf]

post ml melee is so fucking funny why does calamity add 7 weapons when vanilla already has 3

[small timber]

the part where the problems comes with the suggestion is that 90% of said weapon redundancy is donor weapon

aka to remove the redundacy you are basically forced to remove the cal added non-donor one, which usually get more interesting rework

eg: clockwork bow

[cobalt heath]

oh fuck donor weapons

those are so stupid I hate them

[sand marlin]

Will donor weapons really continue to ruin cal

Like

[small timber]

and let me just put it this way: they literally can't remove donor weapon

and for some reason many donor just like post-DoG ranger

[sand marlin]

If you can't remove it can't you just make it good and interesting at least

[cobalt heath]

stuff like sevens stikers could just go

but cant they like shadow remove them

[swift wharf]

mfw ark of the elements, devastation, elemental lance, elemental shiv, greatsword of judgment, plague keeper, rems revenge, solstice claymore, stellar contempt & stellar striker

not counting meowmere, star wrath and terrarian

[sand marlin]

Zenith

[swift wharf]

[cobalt heath]

it defo would be a dick move but still an option

[swift wharf]

The horrific realization that

eventually you will not be able to remove anything anymore

but the bloat will still exist

[sand marlin]

Make the bloat good

Shrimple

[swift wharf]

because of donor weapons

and the actual weapons to be added

just make every weapon unique and fun to use ez

or better

make a "calamity 2" with no donor items

[cobalt heath]

donor items is up there as one of the worst things to happen to calamity

top 3 along side malice

[swift wharf]

Everyday I wait for a team of people with way to much free time to make a fork of calamity

[sleek turret]

2Calami2

[swift wharf]

It will literally never happen but I can dream

[sand marlin]

Devastation is pretty bad right

And it doesn't seem to be donor

[swift wharf]

only rems revenge is donor there

[swift wharf]

Neo Calamity real (forge reference

[sleek turret]

rem's revenge is melee though?

[sand marlin]

.

[fervent orbit]

DELETE

THE

ELEMENTAL WEAPONS

[swift wharf]

keep aote aha 😊

[sand marlin]

Ok who's gonna suggest to add a Skeletron check to Sulph Crates for post Skele abyss loot or just move it to Skeletron

[swift wharf]

not me

[fervent orbit]

you will

go on habble

its 2 sentences

and ull get 3 fargo stars

[sand marlin]

Hm

[cobalt heath]

make the melee suggestion then

cus I have no clue what is even melee progession

[sand marlin]

Nah for melee thing I'd need to type out a lot of things

[cobalt heath]

all my no hit runs have been on ranger so I have a semi good idea on ranger

[sleek turret]

lmao image

[sand marlin]

OMG HE'S JUST LIKE ME FR

[small timber]

I will be honest I never care about having too much weapon, it is just balance issue but you can also just balance every weapon

it is more of an issue where there is a lack of weapon at a tier, which is apparently the exact opposite for the most part

at least if the weapon are distinct enough from each other then I dont care at all

and if we have a bow that shoot 1 strong arrow and a bow that shoot 5 arrow it is already difference to me; it just should not be 2 bows that shoot 5 arrow in the exact same way but one shoot faster one shoot with more damage

[sand marlin]

This is completely personal but I hate having to work my ass off for gathering a variety of weapons just to realize a bunch of them are just boring and bad ngl

[small timber]

and that is like I said the problem with balancing

assuming the perfect scenario where every weapon is viable you only have to craft 1 to use it, or to craft the ones you are interested in, thats it, and not all of them

[swift wharf]

There should definitely be enough weapons for a tier

take post ml rogue for example where there is too little

but for post ml melee they're not very unique

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah is there even a viable rogue weapon for OD

I couldn't find any good ones

Jaws of Oblivion seemed to be alright but it really didn't seem to have anything spectacular