suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

I am saying that it is already inherently acid themed

[wide river]

There's obviously some misunderstandings here, so allow me to clarify both sides
The suggestion's point of view is that the Sulphurous Sea needs to be renamed and rethemed because it's unrealistic and non-scientific
The counter is that it doesn't need to be realistic in a fantasy game, and it's already acid themed with various proofs, that Rover pointed out

[swift wharf]

I think that there are better ways to expand into the acid theme without having to rename the biome

[drowsy plank]

acidic sea sounds

[sage iron]

do you people realize that radiation is not all all the same thing as acid, right?

[drowsy plank]

much more lame the sulphuric sea tbqh

[sage iron]

this completely misunderstands my suggestion

[royal tapir]

No realism in my video game

[hybrid steeple]

have u considered that

[drowsy plank]

yes because again, this is all wafting about and being funny video game shit

[hollow shell]

The sea has both.
It's acidic and it's polluted with radioactive materials

[hybrid steeple]

sulphuric acid

lmao

[bright crag]

^

[hollow shell]

It's not implying that sulfur is radioactive

[glass arch]

fuckin THIS

[hollow shell]

okay there we go

[drowsy plank]

again it just seems pointless lol

[worldly sparrow]

oh no guys my unrealistic biome in a fantasy game is not scientifically accurate!!!

[wide river]

Sorry, let me just do a comparison
Your suggestion asks "rename the sulfurous sea, and make it not radiation themed. ", and when we ask you if that's what you want, you say it's not
?

[royal tapir]

So is there reasoning other than “it’s unrealistic”

[glass arch]

making something not radiation themed is

literally retheming it

[sage iron]

it conflicts with the brimstone crags.

[wide river]

The Brimstone Crags and Sulphurous Sea are both connected in the lore, how does it conflict?

[glass arch]

did you read the part in the lore where half the reason its like that is because of crags

[worldly sparrow]

the brimstone crags are responsible for the sea being sulphurous

[sage iron]

because the mod has two different versions of sulfur that behave completely differently.

[royal tapir]

You guys are quite passive aggressive tonight, no wonder both sides are so defensive

[crude geode]

This chat always is.

[royal tapir]

You don’t help

[hybrid steeple]

huh

[small timber]

because one of it is a sea that is polluted by man-made industry while the other is literally hell on earth

[wide river]

I'm not trying to be, apologies
Just hard when the same two points are brought up repeatedly

[worldly sparrow]

oh no guys an inconsistency about sulfur in a fantasy video game

[small timber]

of course it will be different

[hollow shell]

I always figured that was intentional

[glass arch]

like yes they're both vaguely sulphur themed, this is because brimstone crags made the sulphur sea how it is

[swift wharf]

Sulphuric sea is the more "realistic" depiction, brimstone is the more "fantasy" depiction

[hollow shell]

considering the biomes have been connected in the lore

[bright crag]

If that is the case, then how should the Brimstone Crags behave?
Because, afaik, the Sulphurous Sea is fine

[jovial spire]

Hi yeah

[hybrid steeple]

brimstone magic is hell magic

[jovial spire]

Was about to say

Lead writer here hi

[glass arch]

henlo cei

[sage iron]

that's pretty much opposite to what's true.

[hybrid steeple]

haii cei

[bright crag]

(And another writer here)

[hybrid steeple]

irl brimstone is flaming skulls ofc

[worldly sparrow]

tell that to the devs who actually made the mod

[royal tapir]

omg hiiiiii Stippy

[jovial spire]

I mean, it's not like there's any water in the crags you can see the effects of sulphur on

[glass arch]

then why the fuck did you say brimstone crags is, and i quote "a fantastical version of real world sulfur"

[crude geode]

Chill glass

[swift wharf]

This is confusing

[sage iron]

i mean kind of. flaming magic is closer to real world sulfur than radioactivity.

[sage iron]

because it's not as much of a stretch?

[hybrid steeple]

ok so ur just ignoring us

calamitous

[bright crag]

What is the issue here then

[dense ferry]

You guys asked for a third writer?

[glass arch]

the radiation and the sulphur are 2 separate elements, both of which just so happen to be in the same place making it very uninhabitable

[worldly sparrow]

"brimstone crags is just a fantasy version of sulphur"
"brimstone is fantasy sulphur, sulphurous sea is more realistic"
"nah man its reversed"

[jovial spire]

Sulphurous Sea just just sulpherous for a long time due to Azafure industry, and became radioactive after draedon started using it as a dumping grounds for hsi experiments since it made a good dumping spot. I mean,who'd miss that sorat place? That was his logic. You can even find dumped Draedon stuff here.

[hybrid steeple]

draedon dumps radioactive waste into the sea

[sage iron]

"very uninhabitable" sulfur wouldn't make a place uninhabitable, and there are tons of living things there

[glass arch]

you can have sulphur and radioactive material in the same place

[wide river]

The writer gang is here I see
Maybe with your powers combined you can clear up the misunderstandings that are very obviously present

[jovial spire]

Alot of his experiments that got dumped there involved nuclear energy

[worldly sparrow]

you know what would make a place uninhabitable? RADIATION

[jovial spire]

@sage iron

[glass arch]

when the sulphur is dissolved into the water and has a pH close to zero yeah it really does make it uninhabitable

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[bright crag]

(Not uninhabitable, but more extreme)

[small timber]

and the only reason something is habitable in there (at least according to the current lore), is because of the dead corpse of a nature goddess

[sage iron]

okay but when compared to radiation, creatures could adapt

[glass arch]

i personally dont want to be living in an area where the water itself tries to melt me

[jovial spire]

And they did, that's why there's life there in the first place

If it was just radioactive nothing would live there

[sage iron]

okay but it would make vague sense. living creatures pretty much aren't capable of adapting to radiation.

[swift wharf]

Now I feel like you're wanting it to be too much realistic

[dense ferry]

That's the power of fiction

[worldly sparrow]

sir this is a fantasy game, it doesn't have to be real

[jovial spire]

The radioactive stuff came way after it beign sulpherous, it was already well known as the sulpherous sea before radioactive material got dumped there.

And even then, it is fantasy.

[swift wharf]

And it is not a huge of a stretch

Considering terraria fauna

[small timber]

and also there is this line

[worldly sparrow]

while we're at it let's just delete the underworld altogether since there's no real proof for it existing

[jovial spire]

I mean, Fallout is already a huge inspiration for Cal.

[small timber]

assuming this lore is not changing

[swift wharf]

Slimes exist everywhere for example

[glass arch]

the power of terraria not being the real world means we dont have to have everything be perfectly realistic

[jovial spire]

And then yeah, Silva

[sage iron]

tbh how it is now comes off as people who see radiation as a spooky science thing to use because it sounds cool, instead of it actually making sense.

[jovial spire]

A goddess of life

[jovial spire]

...Have you read what I've said?

:p

[worldly sparrow]

here's a fun fact: it is stated in a lore item that silva, the godess of life literally helped the life adapt

although i guess silva wasn't a real person so that shouldn't exist too

[jovial spire]

Like, no offense, but I have given the awnsers to all your questions and any questions you've been asking.

[sage iron]

but i thought draedon put the radioactive stuff there??????? god this lore is incoherent.

[jovial spire]

And so have two other writers

[wide river]

I do feel like our points aren't getting across to you, I suggest you read what we've been saying

[worldly sparrow]

yeah draedon put the shit there, silva helped life adapt to the shit

[glass arch]

he did put the radioactive stuff in there and the existence of silva in the abyss helped life adapt to said radiation

[small timber]

more than 1 thing can happen at the same place

[jovial spire]

Yeah, to both the radiation and sulfur.

[bright crag]

^

[dense ferry]

My brother in Christer are you reading what Cei said?

[sage iron]

yeah. this just blatantly proves what i just said.

[jovial spire]

How so?

[worldly sparrow]

??? no it doesnt??????

[sage iron]

the fact that the writers don't understand radiation and sea it as a spooky science thing that sounds cool.

[worldly sparrow]

i swear to god why cant you get that this is a fantasy game and thus it doesn't have to be overly realistic

[bright crag]

(This isn't really a speculative biology project, it is a bunch of writers trying to work with content that didn't exactly get several pages of scientifically-grounded descriptions and design)

[worldly sparrow]

might as well delete every boss since none of them were real people

[glass arch]

radiation literally is spooky science shit
yeah theres a scientific explanation for it but theres a scientific explanation for almost everything
i dont know about you but something that can turn your dna into a puddle sounds like some pretty spooky science shit

[bright crag]

We inherited this

[sage iron]

okasy but it's inceredibly lazy from a writing perspective. it would make more sense to make something up instead of using radiation..

[dense ferry]

It's funny because you are saying this right in front of three writers

[deft yew]

what even IS this argument tbh

like at least why has it kept going and going and going

(i know the subject)

[hybrid steeple]

suggestions discussion

[dense ferry]

Draedon put shit in the Sulphurous Seas > Silva helped them survive

[drowsy plank]

this whole convo is nothing the sugg wont pass bc lack of reasoning and too much effort we can just end it there 💥

[dense ferry]

That's it

[worldly sparrow]

because this man just doesn't get it, even when 3 writers confront him

[dense ferry]

No more, no less

[jovial spire]

Yeah, I feel like you're overcomplicating it.

[deft yew]

i smell just a little fire with fire

[worldly sparrow]

ofc you do

[hybrid steeple]

the goddess of life is just built different

[sage iron]

so there's a dead goddess magically healing every single creature who gets cellular damage from the radiation?

[hybrid steeple]

yes

[jovial spire]

Yes

[worldly sparrow]

yes

[glass arch]

yes

[dense ferry]

Yes

[sage iron]

that's peak lazy writing.

[jovial spire]

She si the goddess of life

[dense ferry]

And you are peak lazy criticism

[hollow shell]

I really don't want to break out the Flying Eyeballs argument
but

Yeah this is a game with zombies and magic and living creatures made out of fire and shit
In real life, radiation is dangerous and kills things
But this isn't real life

[bright crag]

I do think that, if we had designed the Sulphurous Sea from scratch based on the current world lore, it would be more accurate and grounded

But guess what, that's not the case

[hybrid steeple]

go outside if u want a world withoud goddesses and magic

[glass arch]

thats what you should expect from THE GODDESS OF LIFE

[sage iron]

so she can heal individual cells that get hurt by radiation, but not my sword slashes?

[small timber]

you are incredibly fixated on the scientifics in a game where there is cthulhu god with half of its body missing

[jovial spire]

Who says she wants to help you?

[worldly sparrow]

you never kill silva

[small timber]

at the base game level

[worldly sparrow]

nor does she help you

[sage iron]

her healing the creatures that i kill would hurt me...

[hollow shell]

In real life there is no evidence of any creature ever being able to breathe fire out of their mouths

But people are totally fine with dragons in fiction because it's fiction

[sage iron]

thats fiction, but it isnt sloppily applying real world ideas without a proper understanding of those real world ideas

[glass arch]

this is a nothing burger of an argument at this point
we've explained our points, can we end this already

[bright crag]

It's not lazy writing, it's trying to make sense of a biome we didn't make

[jovial spire]

Sword slashes cause way more instant damage than radiation.

If you put a wound into a Sulph Sea creature, and cam back a week later to the same creature

[worldly sparrow]

also silva is currently busy taking over the abyss

[jovial spire]

The wound would probably be gone yeah

[sage iron]

are you a writer? because if you are, you saying this proves my point further.

[worldly sparrow]

what point?

[dense ferry]

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINT

[hollow shell]

Nuclear Throne has a playable character that is made out of radioactive energy
https://nuclear-throne.fandom.com/wiki/Horror

The enemy "Nuclear Terror" in Calamity was based after this character

[jovial spire]

I've said twice that I'm the lead writer to you directly, which I feel like proves that you're not listening.

[sage iron]

the point that the writing team uses radiation a a spooky thing instead of something they actually understand anbd can use to tell a compelling story.

[bright crag]

(That we don't understand radiation)

[worldly sparrow]

also what the hell are you, a novel reviewer?

[hollow shell]

Terraria/Calamity has creatures made out of ice, and electricity, and fire, and holy fire, and a lot of different types of fire actually

[hybrid steeple]

how abt we stop

[dense ferry]

Do you want an explanation? I'm going to fucking give you an explanation, then

[royal tapir]

This is just like rule 14 of the Internet

[hybrid steeple]

their sugg is flagged anyways its not going through

[eager bobcat]

angry at discord randoms

[hollow shell]

We're not writing a drama about Chernobyl
We're making a sandbox action game

[jovial spire]

REb, calm down

[sage iron]

as i have already said, that's so far removed from reality, and not trying to be realistic.

[wide river]

I would prefer this, but I also know I hold no power over this argument, so we're going to continue until a moderator takes action

[jovial spire]

Fire is real.

So is ice.

[drowsy plank]

idk marvel isnt realistic but spiderman is still a cool movie

[jovial spire]

Radiation is real, too.

What make radiation different?

[royal tapir]

Don’t argue with trolls, it means they win

[sage iron]

fire elementals and creatures made from it are not.

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[royal tapir]

exploding head

[jovial spire]

Yes, and they exist in the mod

[sage iron]

the way the mod tries to use it

[worldly sparrow]

being far removed from reality is a really low bar in a FANTASY GAME

[jovial spire]

How is it different than havigngalive things made of life?

[worldly sparrow]

like

[wide river]

I have a gif for this situation but I'd prefer to not say much during this and just let the lorewriters explain

[worldly sparrow]

the core of calamity's lore is centered around dragons

which are fantasy creatures

[jovial spire]

(It's not)

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

(ok well it sure as hell seems like it)

[jovial spire]

(It might seem like it currently publically but it aint)

[hollow shell]

(there are definitely a lot of dragons)

[hybrid steeple]

when the 5% of lore

[golden sonnet]

I fail to see how radiation is even unrealistic when everything can be explained by the presence of a literal goddess of life itself

Like ????

[jovial spire]

(Yeah there are alot of Dragons mentioned though currently though yeah what octo said, 5% momento)

[sage iron]

exactly! it's fantasy. it doesn't need to try and be realistic. it doesn't need to try and use real world concepts. there are so many examples in the game where stuff is completely made up.

[sage iron]

the way they use it.

[jovial spire]

The way we're using it is no different than using fire to make a living fire being

[hollow shell]

Why do you think nuclear energy is off-limits as a concept for a fictional game to use?

[north oracle]

isn’t that kinda the point?

It’s not meant to be realistic

[sage iron]

that's just straight up not true but okay.

[worldly sparrow]

"it doesn't need to try and be realistic"

bro 14 seconds ago you were saying the sulphurous sea was "so far removed from reality, and not trying to be realistic." in a bad way

[jovial spire]

How so?

You've yet to explain

[dense ferry]

The Sulphurous Sea was once a natural and perfectly normal place that fishes used to live. Due to the fumes from Azafure, the sea became poisonous, and that made so life had to adapt to it. They were, in some way or another, aided by Silva in this matter, the literal Goddess of Life and the Elemental which also represents nature. Due to this, they were capable of adapting to the new situations. Several years later, Draedon started using the decrept Sulphurous Seas as a means to dump away radiation. This proved a different challenge for the creatures, but despite being put against even worse odds, the naturally adapted creatures which were also still aided by Silva were capable of surviving, even if barely, to the now radioactive waters of the Sulphurous Seas.

That's it.

[sage iron]

i have tried but this chat is being horrible and i can barely get a message out before like, 5 people gang up on me

[hollow shell]

We have an enemy that is made of nuclear energy
(It has geiger counter clicks in its sound effects 👀)

[worldly sparrow]

welcome to suggestions

[jovial spire]

We also ahev Gamma Slimes

And Irradiated Slime

[wide river]

I thought I recognized the geiger counter
MoR makes that sound ingrained in your brain

[jovial spire]

And so on

[royal tapir]

Slimes are such goobers

[sage iron]

you're pointing out more of the problem my suggestion was about 💀

[worldly sparrow]

this is a suggestions discussion channel, what else were we gonna point out? the 2,452,124th flaw in your arguments?

[golden sonnet]

Bro, if cockroaches can survive and adapt to radiation, why can't fish boosted by a goddess of life

[glass arch]

this is going nowhere can we stop
this is a completely pointless argument to make as no side will accept what the other side wants

[north oracle]

I mean either way

This falls under the “large scale rework” suggestion don’t, as you seem you want the entire theming and half the enemies to change

[jovial spire]

Using it the exact same way. We don't need to go in depths explaining radiation because a base understanding of radiation is common knowedge and if you want to know more you can read about irl stuff.

[sage iron]

i never said any of that omfg

[hollow shell]

Starting to feel that way

[worldly sparrow]

im just gonna head out, hopefully this man stops trying to cook

[jovial spire]

Yeah imma agree at this point

This discussion stops here

[sage iron]

rename all the radiation themed stuff and you're fine. that's it. that was literally all my suggestion was.

[jovial spire]

Discussion over

[hybrid steeple]

finally

[bright crag]

Simply put
To represent things in the accurate, compelling way which you are promoting, we wouldn't be in Terraria for starters
It's just not a good place to represent things in an accurate way

I do understand what you're trying to say though

[worldly sparrow]

we're free

[sage iron]

people chose to misconstrue what i said

[jovial spire]

I said we're moving on.

[hollow shell]

byeah both sides are too stubborn to be convinced

Is "circular argument" the correct term?

[worldly sparrow]

also stop trying to push your suggestion, it's already flagged

[jovial spire]

It feels like it at this point.

[hollow shell]

Sorry ankh but I will delete the suggestion to prevent further argument

[jovial spire]

Was about to do that, thanks rover

[hollow shell]

The developers of the mod disagree with your points

[dense ferry]

I have now lost four decades of my life expectancy

[worldly sparrow]

oof same

[royal tapir]

Bold to assume you had that long already

[glass arch]

havent we all

[bright crag]

Quite a day for you all, hasn't it been?

[worldly sparrow]

if i had a nickel for every time a debate spiraled out of control in this channel, i'd be crushed underneath the weight of the nickels

[hollow shell]

mm

[crude geode]

The one barely visible “be civil” in sugg pins really doesn’t do a lot huh

Especially when sugg critics tend to be some of the least civil people tbfh

[worldly sparrow]

yeah that doesnt do shit

rarely is it ever enforced

[glass arch]

this should get a pin tbh

[crude geode]

[royal tapir]

Hi Stippy, how is your day

[bright crag]

It's alright
It has been quite eventful for the devs, certainly

But I'm chill

[royal tapir]

That’s nice to hear

[bright crag]

How has your day been?

[royal tapir]

Pretty fine

Average day

[bright crag]

I'm glad to know :)

[worldly sparrow]

god i cant wait for the next one of these arguments tomorrow

[frosty trellis]

Any news on the Aeralite stuff? Or is it just wait and see at this point
(Also is it coming with the port bc I want it to come with the port lol)

[wide river]

Let's try not to think about it

[glass arch]

iirc someone said its coming after the port

[frosty trellis]

Ah well man

Makes sense

[bright crag]

Probably not
We'll want to keep the port content limited, so it doesn't take longer than it would otherwise

[frosty trellis]

Makes sense

[bright crag]

But I'm quite eager to see the updates after it

A lot of cool stuff to look forward to

[frosty trellis]

I am very eager to see just how unbalanced it all is :D

[glass arch]

i am very eager to see gfb

[frosty trellis]

Arsenal Armor having tank modes seems very balanced

[royal tapir]

I am eager to see how you guys react to GFB

[frosty trellis]

(Have you been able to try out anything in regards to GFB CIT?)

[bright crag]

If you wanted an update on Aerialite

[pine star]

oh god

that's going to be hell

[royal tapir]

I don’t have access to the actual update

[bright crag]

Enchilada, remember the Aerialite weapon guessing game

[royal tapir]

There’s just leftover stuff in the source

[wide river]

Yeah, I do

[bright crag]

I was inspired by your (wrong) guess, and so the Aerialite whip is now called "Skycaller Lash"

;)

[glass arch]

holy shit

[frosty trellis]

Oh yeah the source code

I remember noob breaking that out and giving a sneak peek at something

[pine star]

retroactively correct?

[novel belfry]

I am really enjoying suffering in Infernum somehow, so i can only imagine the unimaginable agony that GFB Calamity will be

[frosty trellis]

That's a cool name

[bright crag]

Not really, because the guess was different

[wide river]

[novel belfry]

hell, I havent even tried GFB vanilla

[royal tapir]

Isn’t Exo Mechdusa the only thing in decompiled

[bright crag]

The previous name was Storm Scaletail
Lamer than the new one

[frosty trellis]

Probably

[crude geode]

I really hope GFB fucks with the damage numbers on weapons for no reason other than to mess with MPG and xpc and wiki editors

[royal tapir]

Good

[wide river]

[glass arch]

it was a sneak peek at the old draedate lore

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

guys is this a good idea for a suggestion?

add a weapon called "the weapon of weapons"

i want to add a weapon called the weapon of weapons
421 melee damage
15 use time
7 kb
rarity purple
buy/sell 60 gold/20 gold
researcg 1 required
it would shoot a projectile at 5 velocity that does precisely 23 damage and inflicts a new debuff called "weaponed" that has 3 dps

[glass arch]

well
not a sneak peek
it was pretty much everything that was planned for the old lore draedate

[bright crag]

By the way, I'd like to apologize for the poor discussion earlier
It could've gone better, but I guess it's just not a good day
I do understand both points

[crude geode]

Thank you

[frosty trellis]

You act like in GFB that damage is what I am going to be going after

[crude geode]

I do think that while a lot of pressure is put on suggestors, not a lot is put on anyone criticizing suggs

[frosty trellis]

No you fool this is GFB bullshit I am making 8 billion water arenas to fight bullshit with bullshit

[north oracle]

If there’s no RDR I will be melting the living shit out of every single boss

[royal tapir]

Oh right, I forgot about GFB Plaguebringer Goliath

[wide river]

As someone who was trying to point out issues with the suggestion, I also apologize for how it went
I really feel like it went on too long without anyone intervening, and I feel like I was prolonging it with some of my comments

[royal tapir]

That’s a good one

[worldly sparrow]

for gfb add rdr that means you cant kill any boss in under 10 minutes

[glass arch]

theres rdr on provi iirc

not sure about other bosses

[crude geode]

Which leads to people being incredibly unserious and devolving into passive aggressive tones at the sight of anyone being anything but a perfect subject

[frosty trellis]

I remember Shayy saying GFB hive mind was "an unpleasent pleasure to test out"

[brazen star]

whats rdr ?

[frosty trellis]

And then fab said GFB provi was probably impossible

[wide river]

Reactive Damage Reduction

[royal tapir]

Reactive damage reduction

[worldly sparrow]

although what if the terrarian had rdr?

[glass arch]

reactive damage reduction

[brazen star]

what does that mean ?

[north oracle]

That’s the one that repeatedly spawns new hive tumours in phase 2

[frosty trellis]

Ozz confirming this, saying it was release malice exos but worse

[glass arch]

bosses take less damage based off how much damage you deal

[worldly sparrow]

boss takes less damage the more per second you do

[crude geode]

It’s an incredibly outdated term for a mechanic that no longer really matters

[glass arch]

basically forcing a minimum time limit on the fight

[brazen star]

ah ty

[worldly sparrow]

it only really matters for w o r m

and even then rdr is typically only on spawn

[wide river]

Yeah, it's not great
There's times where I wish this chat got moderated a bit more, but at the same time I understand that the moderators can't be looking everywhere
I guess it's my own fault for not applying last application period, huh.

[north oracle]

It’s also hard for Cei and Rebecca to shut it down while also explaining why the lore doesn’t work

[glass arch]

no thats just batshit insane regular DR

[worldly sparrow]

if the guys who literally write the lore cant shut someone up with the lore as proof then idk what they can do

[north oracle]

I mean they’re also mods, so they can hand out warns and mutes for not stopping. But it gets hypocritical when they pivot from explaining why the sugg is bad to warning people who are going over the top explaining why the sugg is bad

[wide river]

Speaking of stopping, we probably should since it was said to stop talking about that suggestion

[crude geode]

I would say we’re more talking about sugg discussion culture here than the Sugg itself

And trying to bring something meaningful out of everything that just happened

[worldly sparrow]

well its nice to try and find a silver lining

even if there is none

[wide river]

I suppose
I should look out for the next mod application, really. It probably won't be for a really long time (unless a bunch of mods just leave simultaneously), but I would like to contribute to fixing this

[crude geode]

I’d disagree on the last point, because like….if you’re spamming caps lock and screaming your head off about a suggestor being bad, you’re not exactly much better. You’re just perpetuating more and more confrontation and escalating it.

[worldly sparrow]

unrelated, im kinda feeling like becoming a tester would be cool

[crude geode]

At a certain point sugg white name critics have to give up

[hollow shell]

Would this be a more fitting suggestion for #1042197406776827914 or is that thread really only for changing weapons and items?

wait I think we already had this conversation and the answer was the latter

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Balance is for weapons, items, accessorys and the such

[crude geode]

We definitely had this convo before yeah

[wide river]

Ozz definitively said that boss balance stuff should stay out of the thread, so it's fine to be here

[crude geode]

Aquatic Scourge always felt like it had…more to deal with than Brimmy and Cryo? But that may just be me

[frosty trellis]

Yes but that's is brought up like
Brimmy and Cryo have intended killtimes of three minutes and aren't just randomly frailer than the mechs themselves lo

AS is just inconsistent with the other mechalts in terms of survivablity and it needs to not just be able to be spawnkillled as well

[cobalt pewter]

this is a #1042197406776827914 moment certainly

[crude geode]

Incorrect.

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting is for small shit that barely affects the mod

[frosty trellis]

I hate you

[crude geode]

Aquatic Scourge barely affects the mod wdym

[frosty trellis]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sleek turret]

me with the 2764th tile blending issue sugg in my pocket:

(not really)

[glass arch]

this is clearly why we should make it not a worm boss

[jovial spire]

Yeah that's why I'm hesitant to do that alot

[timber temple]

What does it become then

[jovial spire]

I don't want to come off as "I'm salty i'm not convincing you so i'm punishing you now"

[wide river]

Yharim worm
Yharim worm

[cobalt pewter]

eye boss

[glass arch]

removed

[timber temple]

But um, relevancy

[cobalt pewter]

don't be fooled, lore is a social construct

[frosty trellis]

Infernum DoG

[timber temple]

How would t2 acid rain start

[north oracle]

Yeah, that’s the issue
I think we need to get into the habit of pinging mods who aren’t involved in the conversation to tell everyone to move on

[jovial spire]

Yeah

being a dev and a mod gets weird at points

[wide river]

Or make me mod so I can tell everyone to stop
(Do not)

[dense ferry]

Same :hdflr:

[north oracle]

Lmao, yeah

[cobalt pewter]

then the mod that was pinged joined the conversation as well

and the cycle never ends

[north oracle]

XD

[dense ferry]

I should tell everyone to shut up because I'm the best iirc

[royal tapir]

So this is why we shouldn’t have made Rebecca a dev

[glass arch]

damn rebecca erm arc

[wide river]

Even that would be better than continuing the conversation

[dense ferry]

Damn...........

[north oracle]

I should become a mod just to tell everyone to shut up and play catalyst

[dense ferry]

But CHS is canon now

[wide river]

So true

[royal tapir]

What is CHS again

[timber temple]

CHS-?

[glass arch]

this is extra why we shouldnt have made you a dev

[dense ferry]

Calamity High School

[royal tapir]

Oh right!

[wide river]

Christmas Hree Sword

[frosty trellis]

OH GoD

[timber temple]

God of Devourers

[frosty trellis]

[dense ferry]

WHY IS GOD CAPITALIZED LIKE THAT

[wide river]

Gevourer of Dods

[frosty trellis]

DoG habbits + it was a not intentional I swear

[timber temple]

Shouldve been dogs smh

[crude geode]

Acronyms have poisoned the watering hole

[frosty trellis]

Sounds like a you problem tbh

[wide river]

Maybe this whole channel is just an us problem

[north oracle]

New rule: if you’re annoying in #suggestions-discussion your suggestion rights are removed forever

[wide river]

Finally
No more suggestions ever
The mod is fine

[royal tapir]

This means 80% of people here cannot post suggestions

[crude geode]

[small timber]

and warned 1 time, and muted for 2 weeks for you to have time to consider what you have done

[crude geode]

Reasonable

[wide river]

I will take this over constant "❗" streaks

[eager bobcat]

New sugg delete calamity and this server

[sleek turret]

it's like multiplying both sides by 0 so it must be good right

[small timber]

I think the way to make AS tanky is by making the body have 98% DR and the head take 1.15x damage
and immune to debuff

[eager bobcat]

Please no

[wide river]

Just swap Devourer of Gods and Aquatic Scourge smh

[small timber]

Devourer of Gods is instead a worm that take 1.00x damage and have no DR on all segments but have 50 million HP

[sleek turret]

so old calam post ml curve

[eager bobcat]

You know what he REALLY needs? More stationary hazard spawns, identically colored to the background of the Sul Sea

[sleek turret]

so silly

[wide river]

Make Aquatic Scourge inflict Dragonfire and Dazed
This will not have any unforeseen consequences

[small timber]

the old cal post ml curve is not even considered "silly", the new curve actually cause way more balance problem

[sleek turret]

make radiated coconuts and bananas fall over your head if you are below a tree

it would be so awesome..... it would be so cool.....

[small timber]

the intent was 2 fold:

1. make adding future stuff easier (and then as of right now no post-Scal/Draedon stuff had been added yet so this don't matter)
   and
2. make more pre-tier weapons viable which cause a lot more balance issues

[eager bobcat]

Honestly the prevalence of stationary hazard spawns is the thing about calamity that pisses me off the most

[frosty trellis]

I'll take the second option over only 1-2 weapons being viable for each class on every post moonlord boss

[wide river]

And sometimes not even viable, just "it can kill the boss"

[frosty trellis]

Me when 1.4.5.7 SCal where the only semi-viable rogue weapon was Celestus and everything else sucked:

[crude geode]

[small timber]

well let me just put it this way, if it is the old curve there will be way less S tier weapon and more C tier weapon

[eager bobcat]

Mage moment

[small timber]

(but yeah for obvious reason I prefer new curve, just I think it is worth pointing out the old curve do work in some aspect)

[frosty trellis]

No, in the old curve we would have over 500 weapons in D/E/F tier

[sleek turret]

from a fantasy world pov if every weapon was viable for bosses we would have 2-4 weapons for every post ml boss

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

I much prefer the vast majority of weapons being viable/broken than the vast majority of weapons sucking ass

[timber temple]

wait what isn’t there like 600 weapons in the mod

[frosty trellis]

740smthin

From cal alone

[golden sonnet]

💀

[wide river]

741

I'm gonna have to update that counter after the port

[crude geode]

Summoner when they don’t

[frosty trellis]

Summoner when it literally just needs 3 new auric tier weapons and probably another post polter weapon and it's fine for now:

[wide river]

Hope a donor asked for one ig, or hope future plans add some
Better a ridiculously hard to balance weapon than no weapon at all (well not always but you get the idea)

[cobalt pewter]

stratus summon, sentry or whip 🙏

[royal tapir]

Warloks’ Moon Fist

[bright crag]

(Post-DoG summon incoming)

[small timber]

@indigo peak the idea was proposed before and the developers just say no, you already have marksman round which makes it applicable to gun, use that instead

[indigo peak]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

Do I need to add this as an example in the Don'ts doc too?

We've gotten a lot of people suggesting railcoining

[indigo peak]

I wasn't aware my apologies

[hollow shell]

It's alright

[indigo peak]

should I delete that suggestion

[hollow shell]

You can

[ripe owl]

One issue: can't use with the weapons that don't consume ammo/convert every bullet to a custom projectile

😔

[cobalt pewter]

if a current dev or Fab has stated a disapproval for railconning, sure

[sage granite]

Oh damn! They accepted my Draedon Hologram facing both ways suggestion, Awesome

[ripe owl]

Good morning

[dense sable]

its not like shes choosing what to heal either since shes dead

she just is

she cant choose a specific fish to heal extra

[crude geode]

[dense sable]

its actually based around the two space cubes who shoot lasers at eachother

[dense sable]

yay

[north oracle]

This isn’t what #suggestions-posting is for lol

[ripe owl]

@hot barn not a #suggestions-posting suggestion

[north oracle]

@hot barn

[hot barn]

guh

rly?

[ripe owl]

Matter of fact, there is no place for such suggestion

[hot barn]

gawd dang it

[ripe owl]

Yes, sugg posting is only for in-game stuff

[hot barn]

Should i just delete it?

[north oracle]

Yeh

[hot barn]

Well alright

I'm still hoping to see a yharon plushie merch in the future

[north oracle]

Aren’t we all

[hot barn]

I'd pay 50$ for one i swear

And imagine if there was an extra large version

Holy shit

crazy

[ripe owl]

With extra dip and a large soda?

[hot barn]

💀

My guy really thinks yharon's sprite is a chicken nugget 💀

[deft yew]

What do you mean, it IS a chicken nugget

[hot barn]

Leave my boy Yharon alone

[worldly sparrow]

bro yharon literally looks like something id find in a 10pc mcnugget

[hot barn]

Real

Can't belive they doing my boy Yharon dirty like that cuh

[worldly sparrow]

he legitimately looks like a chicken nugget man

[hot barn]

I know

[drowsy plank]

yharon plush would require his design to actually be finalized which it very much isnt rn

not to mention i think they are too expensive to produce for caldev so it just aint gonna happen lol

[wide river]

Good suggestion
Small problem. Minor spelling mistake

[frosty trellis]

Oop

Fixed

[small timber]

isnt 90% of the reason Galactica Singularity exist is just for Elemental Weapon (which is supposed to use all 4 pillar fragments because something something elemental IDK) and to simplify the recipe so it don't take half the screen?

Similar to Ascendant Spirit Essence

tldr it is just a theming item rather than an item that is supposed to progression lock something or serve any other non-theming function

[drowsy plank]

what if we just took the fragments out

[small timber]

wait I thought super healing potion use galactica singularity

[sand marlin]

I mean at that point just use their respective fragments

[wide river]

Galactica Singularities only lock a single item, Cosmic Rainbow, which already needs an Ancient Manipulator anyway
The rest either have post-Moon Lord materials or are made at a post-Moon Lord crafting station

[drowsy plank]

the only potion it is used in is ceaseless hunger

[wide river]

I can see an argument for keeping it because of theming, but I can't see a reason to keep it because of gameplay

[frosty trellis]

(Which it doesn't need to be in if you are using the plasma anyways)

[frosty trellis]

^

It just doesn't have an identity

[sand marlin]

I think it's fine to have it cover the screen tbh just use 4 fragments instead of singularities

Because that's like

[drowsy plank]

you can just use the life alloy or
get this
make a new material

[sand marlin]

A non issue

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's 4 things it not Fargo's souls

People will live when Zenith exists

Or Miracle Matter

[drowsy plank]

at the very least you should make super healing pots use them
frankly id rather the frags just get taken out of the elemental weapons entirely but that's just me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty trellis]

Take the frags out so we have even more reason to kill Galactica Singularities

[deft yew]

besides cosmic rainbow is stupid

[drowsy plank]

more like

crappy rainbow

[eager bobcat]

Wait does the ceaseless hunger potion actually work for you guys

[glass arch]

as long as you arent in multiplayer it should work fine

[eager bobcat]

Ah

I feel like I'm in the minority for playing primarily multiplayer

[naive girder]

for april fools can does it sound reasonable to ask if the profaned guardians could be resprited as mcdonalds employees?

[wide river]

You wouldn't be able to ask that through suggestions, no
It's a joke suggestion, meaning it will get denied regardless of if it's April Fools Day or not

[naive girder]

k

they serve yharon nuggets with holy orb sauce

its the freshest ash you'll ever taste

[swift wharf]

W sugg

Just make the recipes use the actual fragments as well

[drowsy plank]

we were thinking of just making it two frags per item as well

instead of all 4 bc

it's silly

[grave zinc]

@edgy path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Astral Infection biome turn mud into astral dirt or add astral mud]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the "Jetstream Sam" Easter Egg from Murasama, or change what it does]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Frost Barrier from Auric Tesla armor's recipe]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fervent orbit]

yess

[wide river]

Oh, huh, somehow this overtook the Auric Soul Artifact one
I'm not bothered though. Getting two in is a big win

[frosty trellis]

LESGOOOOOO

BASED AND REAL ALL THREE OF THEM

[worldly sparrow]

all 3 are good

[grave zinc]

@edgy path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Astral Infection biome turn mud into astral dirt or add astral mud]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

Wow that was fast

[royal tapir]

The Astral Undergrowth in question:

[rancid saddle]

someones not gonna like this suggestion

[edgy path]

wahoooooooooo

[eager bobcat]

I agree with pearl shards being too similar to sea prisms and I often get them confused

[oblique geyser]

@rancid saddle victide is sea remains, sea prisms are a totally different color palette

[eager bobcat]

and I think that the scourge should really just drop sea remains, also

but that's about all I agree with

🪙 🪙

[rancid saddle]

suggesting a resprite in art server rn

🔥

but in all seriousness, yes I do agree

[sleek turret]

don't suggest anything in art really because it's very unlikely somebody will resprite these items

[wide river]

If you want something resprited, it's often best to do it yourself

[eager bobcat]

Fairly certain it was just a joke

[sleek turret]

idk how to tell seriousness or joke without tone indicators

wait actually yes they used seriousness in the sentence

[oblique geyser]

That being said I don't like pearl shards

[rancid saddle]

hmm.. maybe replace pearl shards with sea prism in the crafting recipe

[oblique geyser]

yeah

that is a better idea

[sleek turret]

make pearl shards a decorative item (it will be funny guys )

shards are the ones similar to crystal shards item right

[rancid saddle]

I was about to say you could place them but then I remembered its pearl shards and not sea prism

[eager bobcat]

to actually critique your suggestion, it feels a bit wordy and inconcise. You bring up a few separate issues which sort of muddies the waters. I'd cull things and make an additional suggestion with whatever else you want to say. There's nothing wrong with posting two in a row.

[rancid saddle]

kk, thanks

[sleek turret]

yeah the sugg could be like

more redacted

and point out only the main points you're arguing

[eager bobcat]

but I would edit down your current one before posting a second to avoid potential rabble

people here are very quick to jump on a chance to dunk on a white-name

[sleek turret]

average calmain "civil" discussion regarding the mod or certain aspects of the mod

[drowsy plank]

huh

sea prisms aren't post DS what

we removed that a while ago

it would be weird to randomly remove them from the biome they spawn in

[fervent orbit]

yea sunken sea is no longer locked behind ds

[sleek turret]

anyways uhh would it be like 100% nitpicking if i asked for eutrophic glass walls?

[fervent orbit]

i mean

[drowsy plank]

i cannot tell what this is asking but there is something wrong

[fervent orbit]

some drops and clam are

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

[sleek turret]

hmm i see

[crude geode]

Hm yes the 🛠️ from 4 months ago

[drowsy plank]

@rancid saddle sea prisms aren't post-Desert Scourge

[drowsy plank]

me when the calart server dependent suggestion

[crude geode]

Yeah

But also like it isn’t uncommon for those outside of that

[sleek turret]

although it's like easy to make glass wall since it's tile texture but usually darkened

[fervent orbit]

just be the suggester and spriter

[rancid saddle]

will rework it, but most of the weapons crafting from it due are still post ds.

[drowsy plank]

i mean

that doesnt change the fact that the only reason pearl shards are used in those recipes is to boss lock them lol

[fervent orbit]

because theyre locked by pearl shard

[drowsy plank]

it's like ectoplasm in weapons like. comet quasher

[rancid saddle]

btw, why is sea prisms no longer post ds

[fervent orbit]

because sunken sea is no longer locked

[drowsy plank]

because locking block edits behind killing a boss fucked with generation

and also it was lame and stupid

and made 0 sense

[rancid saddle]

fair point

[fervent orbit]

the enemy drops and giant clam was alr locked behind ds

didnt need a block removal lock too

[drowsy plank]

bc of tmod changes u literally could not hammer blocks during generation if they were boss locked so it had to die, and it was good that it did

[crude geode]

Pearl shards still have the fun thing of having like. no identity

Outside of purely a crafting material

[rancid saddle]

yes

[drowsy plank]

scourge scales when i when they

the plans are to move pearl shards to giant clam eventually anyway

[rancid saddle]

think i'll suggest replacing prism shards with sea pearls

[eager bobcat]

I totally agree that the whole prism shard, pearl shard, sea prism thing is rather clunky and confusing. Seems like it would make way more sense for scourge to drop JUST Sea Remains, then victide and adjacent gear would require Sea Prisms to craft instead of pearl shards.

This would give you a progression path to actually go to the sunken sea after Desert Scourge, which makes perfect sense to me.

Pearl Shards would then need to be removed, reworked, or rethemed or something. Which is the part of this idea that probably requires the most work and would be the reason it would never be considered.

[rancid saddle]

i think this message speaks for itself

[crude geode]

Except only like. a tiny sliver of the sprite actually looks like it could account for scourge’s scales

[drowsy plank]

the desert scourge resprite in question

[rancid saddle]

can u send it

[drowsy plank]

regardless a serpent is

going to have scales even if u cant notice them on the sprite lmao

[drowsy plank]

https://twitter.com/CalamityModTeam/status/1660799502079389699

Calamity Mod🌳 (@CalamityModTeam)

Check out the new resprite for the Desert Scourge, coming soon to a Calamity Mod near you! 😊

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Twitter · May 23, 2023, 12:07 AM

[eager bobcat]

he look good

[rancid saddle]

is ds replacing sand shark

[crude geode]

He really do

[rancid saddle]

awesome resprite tho

[crude geode]

I still don’t like future content with an unknown timer on implementation being used to justify really jarring/wack in game content

[eager bobcat]

but did they resprite the Desert Nuisances though

[rancid saddle]

real

buff carnage when

[crude geode]

Which is why the whole pearl shard moving to clam is kinda. Blegh

[drowsy plank]

no???

[sleek turret]

"pearl shard" yet doesn't contribute on pearl (item) recipes,..,

[crude geode]

Die

You can already farm pearls from clam you don’t need a crafting recipe for them

[sleek turret]

ye i've seen

[drowsy plank]

carnage is actually kind of busted but it's too dependent on killing minions/enemies to be good on bosses, but it shreds events

it most likely is going to get reworked Eventually™️

[crude geode]

Actually moving pearl shards feels like it would take two seconds

[rancid saddle]

calamity Eventually™️ is geometry dash 2.2

[wide river]

It used to be Soon™️
It's evolved to Eventually™️ because apparently Soon™️ made people think it actually was soon

[sleek turret]

one day or another it will come™

[fervent orbit]

It is in the plans™️

[ashen warren]

before half-life 3

[sleek turret]

before xbox 720

[rancid saddle]

alright reworked the suggestion I hate pearl shards

[eager bobcat]

Better, but I would still throw in the confusion between pearl shards, prism shards, and sea prisms

as part of your reasoning

personally

[rancid saddle]

'done

[eager bobcat]

looks good

[ashen warren]

Is it fine for me to make a suggestion about the draedon power cell charging system?

Like instead of having to regularly recharge the draedon weapons after using it as well as having to wait for it to charge before you can use it after crafting, why not turn the charging station into a crafting interface where players can craft some kind of "battery power generator" with draedon power cells that will then be included into the recipe of the weapons and have them be usable and not deplete from the go. Could be interesting if there are different types of "power generators" made from different materials throughout progression instead of everything just relying on one same power cell.

Might have to reduce the amount of draedon cells produced by the power cell factory if this approach was taken.

So overall, this suggestion removes the unnecessary charging.

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure this is on frequently suggested in the document

[wide river]

Yep

[ashen warren]

oh ok

I would assume it's already planned

[wide river]

Planned or not, it's been suggested enough that suggestions like that are discouraged

[grim tusk]

^

[drowsy plank]

it is not planned because it is a bad idea 👍

[novel belfry]

I just don’t like having to charge up my weapons through something menial

[crude geode]

Then use a different weapon????

[vagrant spindle]

i swear ive seen this suggestion like 3 times by now

[small timber]

because I posted it 3 times yes

(there is a long gap between each though)

[timber temple]

wheres the charm then

you posted it thrice

[small timber]

because low life build is really close to happening

the missing piece is that they don't have a damage accessory until Old Duke in Old Duke's scale

defensive-wise they have frozen shield which is already phenomenal

[sand marlin]

Just a bonus here but if you keep Regenator at the top of your accessory slots and have any accessory with a health bonus like Asgard's Valor line then your health will always be <50%

@surreal pond I remember something like a right click functionality on the Stand to skip the timer have you tried that

I think cal adds that

[blazing kettle]

how does that work?

or why is it like that

[sand marlin]

Due to funny coding, accessory slots are prioritized in the order they are used, therefore an accessory like Regenator being at the top means it calculates things without taking lower accessory slots into account
If you had 500 health for example you would be stuck to 250 and if you added Asgard's Valor below Regenator your max health would be 520 but still stuck to 250

[hollow shell]

I thought that Calamity did at that yes
I remember Dom showing footage of it while he was programming it

[sand marlin]

If you reversed that order, it would work normally as Regenator can take into account an accessory above itself in calculating the percentage

[blazing kettle]

interesting

[surreal pond]

OH ?! i just tried , i'm sure this never exist before when i play calamity it's recent ?

[ripe owl]

It's been around for quite some time

Two years or so

[surreal pond]

I never see this feature on any calamity video , it's been 2 years i'm forced to wait for each event 💀 why no one said me that

[sand marlin]

That is unfortunate

[golden tulip]

i think this got added in either 1.5 or 1.5.1

[small timber]

you can also just... play the mod before making the suggestion

just saying it is something you can do

[sand marlin]

I would say it existed in v1.4 but my memory is shit so I can't trust myself to remember that well

[golden tulip]

it did not

[ripe owl]

It's from the Draedon Update

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah I just checked it's indeed 1.5.0.001

[surreal pond]

😭 why i didn't know that before

[tepid wadi]

Can happen.

[ripe owl]

Cause you guys don't have a personal server where you get the notifs about changelogs

[quiet kernel]

I would so wanna be in that server

[ripe owl]

Brother you already are in a server with this feature

[distant gyro]

pov: no one does ooa to know

[ashen warren]

facts

[sand marlin]

<-

[quiet kernel]

And what might that server be

[ripe owl]

You know which one

Don't make me use the violence where it's not necessary

[quiet kernel]

Please kind sir dont hurt me

[ripe owl]

[halcyon zealot]

About removing galactica singularities #suggestions-voting message

it's easy for us in the hardcore leaning audience of terraria/calamity to be apathetic to these extra steps, but I think they are more important to the Calamity/Terraria experience than may seem at first
It feels disingenuous to say that they have no use; do consider about how it fits into the core terraria experience as a whole. The item HAS functions, being the subtle language from the game to the players. This subtly tells players hey, welcome to the next level of progression! and for several items tells players of the supernatural/cosmic traits of crafted items which the physical/mineral traits of Luminite & Exodium cannot attest to.

Given that I've played the mod to death (stg pun not intended) I too feel some apathy to removing GalSings, but overall I would prefer they stay in the mod. I want to preserve the experience of discovery, exploration, and progression that I first felt while playing Calamity such that others can experience it too, it's well done after all and I think fondly back to it.
Sure, it's unnecessary, but if you're thinking about necessary/unnecessary I would argue you're potentially missing the point of games & artistic mediums as a whole (which games have alot of overlap with)
they exist for us to do what is unnecessary to see what can be done, not what has been done

Seems I got a bit out of topic here, but there are some decent things said so I kept it

Lastly I'm not saying there's zero merit to their removal. Read the sugg and this, then form your own informed opinion!

TLDR: They speak the subtle gamer language to players fr, consider for a moment how it affects the Terraria/Calamity experience before ⭐

[fervent orbit]

but there is no progression around it. its always available

[halcyon zealot]

that is weirdchamp, I agree

it being immediately available but not usable

[undone cedar]

I think just using one type of fragment would achieve the same effect

[fervent orbit]

it also doesnt really follow a new "theme" like other combination crafts (life alloy, core of calamity, miracle matter, etc)

[wide river]

Very rare we get paragraphs like this considering the whole mod's experience
Impressive

[fervent orbit]

its literally just "lunar fragments in one item"

[frosty trellis]

So the problem that I personally have with that is that from what I have seen, Exodium does give that new progression point feel for me, especially since it's a new item that is actually acquired at the point of progression that it starts to be used in, rather than just some nothing combination material that is acquired before it's even used.

Not to mention the fact that it's obtained in different ways that are more interesting than just shoving shit together, either via mining or killing shit, which is more interesting and intuitive and that sort of thing strikes me as seeing a progression point way more given all of these factors

Nothing would really be lost from not being able to just put all 4 lunar fragments into one before you even obtain the ability to use that anyways

[halcyon zealot]

good point, I can see this

[frosty trellis]

One or two but yes

[undone cedar]

To me, galactica singularities just feel like a way to expand crafting trees

If they had a unique theming and weren’t available pre moon lord i would see more reasons to keep them

[frosty trellis]

Which is done in, at least for me, a meaningless way as we already have long enough crafting trees as is and no one cares if some things require more than just one item when we have shit like Zenith and Miracle Matter and Ark and Biome Blade, I could go on, that have long ass crafting trees and complicated recipes

It's unnecessary crafting bloat and can easily be replaced by a different material or just replaced by the fragments it's used it anyways

[halcyon zealot]

unnecessary

Referring to the paragraph: "Given that I've played" - "not what has been done"
Perhaps my perspective on such things is too different

[halcyon zealot]

yeah, it is
but one could argue that's exactly what many players are looking for no?

[undone cedar]

I think theres better ways to do it

[halcyon zealot]

true, there are likely many unknown and creative ways it can be done better
but what is currently done is inoffensive, and (subjective) I believe does a fair job at it

[halcyon zealot]

🫰

ty

[wide river]

As someone who frequents this channel quite often, usually feedback on suggestions is isolated just the suggestion's focus, be it a single item around its progression point, or an accessory's viability
Which, of course, is fine, but it often doesn't take into account the overall effect that it'll have
Most people oft forget about Aerialite when talking about the Perforators and Hive Mind's placement in the game, yet that's an important fact that can't be ignored

[fervent orbit]

the problem with galactica singularities is literally that its just lunar fragments in one, it has no new identity to go with it like other combination crafts (miracle matter is a prime example of a crafting mat that is totally seperate from it's mats)

[wide river]

Which means we could do one of two things
Either make Galactica Singularities have a better identity, or take the easy way out and remove it
Many people generally clamor for removal if something doesn't fit their ideal mod experience, which is always a subjective topic. There can be agreements on if something just doesn't belong at all, but if something has lots of potential, should we really still remove it?
Should we really cut that thread short simply because it doesn't fit into the ideals of the mod players?

[drowsy plank]

the concept of galactica singularities is interesting, but yeah the main issue is you literally can get them as soon as you beat cultist

i think gala sings would be cool simply if they weren't just the fragments slapped together

[halcyon zealot]

😭 the achilles heel of gala sings

[lavish condor]

could add something post-ML to the recipe to be that purple thing in the middle of the sprite

[novel belfry]

Hmmm

[wide river]

~~Now hear me out what if we put Luminite in the recipe ~~

[novel belfry]

Exodium?

[fervent orbit]

wat is exodium btw

like realistically

[halcyon zealot]

space mineral lol

[novel belfry]

the planetoids that generate post-ml have luminite covered by exodium

[halcyon zealot]

luminite be the space ore

[wide river]

I've always imagined it to be something along the lines of space rock
Like, not just Meteorite, but something greater. Something with more identity.

[drowsy plank]

imagine if like, some remnants of the pillars appeared after the defeat of moon lord and you have to go around the world killing these new enemy types to gather the materials instead (bc post ml has a big issue of having no interesting or unique standard enemies other than profaned) of just like. slapped a bunch of mats from a tier ago together

[halcyon zealot]

gala sings be the space energy
space ore, space rock, space energy

[halcyon zealot]

interesting

[halcyon zealot]

well put

[worldly sparrow]

that actually sounds cool

[novel belfry]

yeah

[pine star]

this seems very interesting

[worldly sparrow]

also adding exodium in the recipe would fix the issue with being pre-ml

would give some more use to exodium

[novel belfry]

itd be easier, even if cheap

[worldly sparrow]

although something in my head tells me that the solutions that look the most effective and are the easiest to implement are typically the worst

[gray sluice]

excellent suggestion

[buoyant idol]

@misty laurel please format the suggestion properly, not allowed suggestion and

[frosty trellis]

That's also a #1042197406776827914 thing but devs are already aware summoner is off the walls broken as all shit and either with the port or a few weeks afterwards, Summoner is getting nerfed hard

[deft yew]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-drinking-water-underwater-cool-gif-22285702

[hearty obsidian]

he's true

[halcyon zealot]

fr

[worldly sparrow]

based

[drowsy plank]

i am just going to delete ones like this lmao

[misty laurel]

oh sry didnt see the balance suggestions thread

[rancid saddle]

life alloy

[drowsy plank]

w

what does shadowspec have to do with that

[wide river]

The letter "s" is in there
Therefore they are the same
In all seriousness I have no idea either

[rancid saddle]

i mistaked shadowspec for life alloy

[worldly sparrow]

how the f-
im not gonna question it

i dont need an answer

[naive girder]

This might make it perfectly balanced, but i'd like to see draedons heart with the normal adrenaline buffs, and the nanomachines

[north oracle]

Draedons heart is already op without the adren damage boost

[drowsy plank]

"please turn the best defensive item in the game into the best item in the game period"

[crude geode]

[wide river]

Now hear me out what if it combined with Shattered Community
This will surely not have any dire repercussions

[drowsy plank]

yeah maybe if calamity had 12 more tiers of progression

[crude geode]

But you see it would make sense because the revengeance fans are really toxic

[wide river]

Just make it Fargo's Soul Mod smh

[worldly sparrow]

revengance is the indended difficulty wdym?

/j

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

"Superduperhardmode is a post-Xeroc stage of progression which features items like the Shattered Heart, a combination of the Shattered Community and Draedon's Heart"

[wide river]

So true

[wide river]

[sick belfry]

And people will ask for a buffer version

[north oracle]

The shat heart

[worldly sparrow]

tbh draedons heart is balanced since theres only really scal to use it on

when yharim releases in 32 years it might finally need a balance change

[drowsy plank]

why not throw three ramparts in there too

[wide river]

@ mpg

[worldly sparrow]

and the sponge for good measure

[drowsy plank]

ah, there we go, now 5 people might use it

tbh still worse than destroyer emeblem thoetmrslkhffls;bmhj;fdlkjbhmlfk;dj;dbfgjnd;fmngjfkl;h

[crude geode]

When the community can’t get over a 10% damage boost (it does not matter that much)

[sick belfry]

I wonder, has someone ever suggested to allow both community and Scommunity at once

[wide river]

"No but you see the 10.1% damage boost is pivotal to beating the endgame bosses"
-Said no one ever

[drowsy plank]

oh but you see once we add superduperhardmode there will be enough bosses for community to reach +15% damage, so it'll finally be good

[wide river]

Actually maybe: "Said Proficiency fans"

[undone cedar]

Proficiency

Was one of the mechanics

[rancid saddle]

cant forget the minion knockback buff

[drowsy plank]

Proficiency, the Profiched Goddess

[wide river]

Truly a vital stat when nearly everything has knockback resist or is immune

[rancid saddle]

really helps for the only pre hardmode boss that takes knockback

[sick belfry]

i wonder how many removed suggestions are by people asking to buff Best in tier here

[rancid saddle]

wdym

[sick belfry]

people asking to buff things like draedon heart, the topc rn. or other op items

[rancid saddle]

why…

draedons heart is so good

[wide river]

And then the suggestion from today that was, and I quote, "nerf summoner"

Nothing else, just that

[sick belfry]

yeah I saw that too

I mean they are, but it's more balancing around then nerfing

[rancid saddle]

idk people have like a personal vendetta against summoner

[sick belfry]

it's op rn

[rancid saddle]

it is, but they just need to balance around whips

[sick belfry]

that's why people have a vendetta against it

it's op

hell I think not to long ago someone suggest community or Cshell (doesn't matter which) should give speed instead of melee speed (so it works on anything )

people don't understand balanced

[rancid saddle]

i think of the community as a more all around replacement for the soaring insignia

[wide river]

The majority of people don't care if something's balanced
As long as it removes bosses from existence in 2 seconds it's good for their monke brains

[sleek turret]

big number big dopamine reaction

calamity is cocomelon for 13 yrs old

[worldly sparrow]

which is why someone should make the "Calamity Balance Mod" and its the most unbalanced shit ever

[sick belfry]

remix?

[sleek turret]

calamity old balance curve mod

[worldly sparrow]

stat inflation mod

[sleek turret]

return to 100k dps weapons

[worldly sparrow]

well uni splitter does over 1m

[wide river]

"Unnerf Calamity" mod when it

[rancid saddle]

we acting like the endgame isnt the exact same

[sleek turret]

idk what's universe splitter

[worldly sparrow]

endgame weapon

[sleek turret]

my guess it's a post dog weapon

[worldly sparrow]

post-scal

[sleek turret]

truly

[worldly sparrow]

its shadowspec tier

[sleek turret]

i mean endgame can be endgame tbh

[worldly sparrow]

the uni splitter has a base damage of 18k lmfao

[rancid saddle]

oh swag people are voting for my sugges

[sleek turret]

issue is it's not like thorium's or fargo's endgame where everything's damage is a bazillion

since br balance i believe?

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

once yharim releases in 20 years it'll have to be even more balanced

br weapons are still allowed to shred basically everything

[sleek turret]

i agree with this sugg

also cog you could make a diagram out of this tbh

it would be more understandable tbh

[drowsy plank]

fair

[crude geode]

Oh god No not the xpc diagrams

[wide river]

Right on cue

[crude geode]

[small timber]

imagine using words instead of diagram lmao

[crude geode]

The diagrams are 90% words tho wtf do you mean

https://tenor.com/view/yuyuko-yuyuko-saigyouji-touhou-fumo-touhou-fumo-gif-25089428

[sleek turret]

give this man a draw.io page he will do everything there

[small timber]

rough sketch of the diagram I will use for my next suggestion

[crude geode]

Truly

[drowsy plank]

does this make any sense

[crude geode]

It is how it is

[drowsy plank]

there's a reason i didnt include an image because tbqh i do not know how to make it look nice

[wide river]

Maybe rather than all these multi-directional arrows you could just have a second row detailing the upgrade path you think would be better

[drowsy plank]

probably

[small timber]

something something wither blossom disappeared

[wide river]

That's definitely more legible, anyway

[bright crag]

Do consider we have some suggested plans for the flower summons
Which would make it detached from the Terra -> Exo line

[drowsy plank]

well maybe the terra line should die anyway so exos can just be upgrades from anything

[bright crag]

We'll see when we discuss Terra

[wide river]

Not all of it will die, in case you've forgotten
The plan is to alternate between Terra and Perennial's weaponry when deciding which to keep iirc

But of course, this is all quite a ways away, so plans may change.

[drowsy plank]

still, the whole summoners line for it is very wacky and silly atm

[bright crag]

Just summoner?
(I kid, summoner is definitely one of, if not the most, glaring example)

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah trust me i hate a lot of them, but this one is just particularly egregious in my eyes

mostly the weapon type alternating every other upgrade

[bright crag]

Hasn't been decided yet
The only thing that appears to be certain is that Perennial and Terra are quite close

[wide river]

Ah, is that so?
I had remembered hearing you or some other dev mention something similar to that, but I suppose it must've just been either personal opinion or conjecture

[bright crag]

It's a suggestion

[crude geode]

quite is an understatement

[bright crag]

We haven't reached a consensus on Perennial
We'll discuss it more thoroughly in the future, when we are able to dedicate such team-wide discussion time to it

We haven't been just standing around in terms of planning the reworks, though

[novel belfry]

i really like the igneous exaltation, how about we make all summoned blade weapons into that format

[crude geode]

Aerialite is the proof of that

[novel belfry]

make the verdant vanguard back to its weird roots, hopefully not as clunky as whatever the hell was that

[hollow shell]

Wait Virid isn't an Igneous upgrade anymore?
Wack

[bright crag]

Aerialite is already finished

In terms of planning

Has been, for a while

Cryonic is well underway

[bright crag]

Yes, since the rework
The Exaltation function it had was removed

[royal tapir]

Where's the EcIipse picture

[wide river]

This one?

[royal tapir]

Yes that one

[ripe owl]

Why is it not pinned

[crude geode]

We have this pinned instead

[north oracle]

I forgot that this exists

[crude geode]

Same

I only have a similar version of it involving a bunch of old people

That I only remember cuz it includes me (based)

[halcyon zealot]

LOL I love this sugg

10/10 diagram

Reasoning on point too

[blazing kettle]

my legacy, it has been remembered, i can finally rest...

[halcyon zealot]

[wide river]

Even 5-10 years from now, when this server is laid to rest, your legacy will live on in that pin

[blazing kettle]

artists will study and interpret it with deeper meaning

"why does he need a reason"

[crude geode]

"why is rover not included in this meme?"

[blazing kettle]

shit.. youre right

do i want to change perfection though

[crude geode]

Found the old sugg discussion meme

2 and a half fucking years ago

[wide river]

I think I can probably tell which one is you

[crude geode]

[wide river]

Just based on context

[crude geode]

Yeah probably

that one also doesn't include rover so like. it isn't perfect either

[royal tapir]

I like how even 2.5 years later, Chetto is instantly recognizable

[crude geode]

yeah it's beautiful

[crude geode]

I think having vetra in makes up for the fact that it doesn't have rover

It's funny how to this day I still mostly think about sweeping, drastic changes for suggestions (that usually do not end up implemented)

bc my first sugg was about dog being an ass fight and needing major overhauls to make it more interesting for an endgame fight

[cobalt pewter]

holy shit that was old

I like I'm true neutral there

somehow

[crude geode]

you were in fact

purely bc of the amount of suggs you spammed

[cobalt pewter]

funny

[crude geode]

and now you mostly complain from the sidelines like an old man

[cobalt pewter]

truly an elderly

(I'm still 23 jeez)

[crude geode]

one foot in the grave~

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-gif-23998985

and I can still name each and every one of those pfps perfectly

amazing

lawful good: chetto
neutral good: mrasianman
chaotic good: cursed being
lawful neutral: demik
chaotic neutral: sand
lawful evil: thomas
neutral evil: ian

[crude geode]

memory master

[drowsy plank]

man that shit is old old guard for sugg disc huh

[rancid saddle]

ngl the summoning sugg implies that every miracle matter crafting tree be updated except for the ranged ones

terrotomere aint even a sword

[crude geode]

It really is

[swift wharf]

someone needs to make a new chart

[pine star]

hey it's me

[gaunt tiger]

huge cog W

it has my vote

[grim tusk]

If some one does it make the 5x5 one

[cobalt pewter]

yeah there's a lot of regulars here

is there even a proper 5x5 alignment chart

[grim tusk]

Yep

[halcyon zealot]

Lol

[ashen warren]

there's a 5x5 pinned in gen-talk

[worldly sparrow]

yeah but that ones mega outdated

i recognize almost nobody

[buoyant idol]

Time to make an alignment chart for this channel

Question is, will it be 3x3 or 5x5

[worldly sparrow]

im for 5x5

theres more than 9 active people here

[sleek turret]

yeah go for 5x5

[buoyant idol]

I barely know anybody here so I can’t make it. All I can say is Cog should be Lawful Good or that region and MPG needs to be chaotic something for the tank builds.

[glass arch]

mpg is chaotic neutral

[golden sonnet]

MPG is

[buoyant idol]

Agreed, made OP tank builds but otherwise I don’t think anything that would change alignment.

[glass arch]

he uses the tank builds to advocate for better balance