suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

revive exists because uhhhh dog revives ig

[sand umbra]

except that's fuckin' borin' and I much more like, say

something like this

like
you can't leave Silva Invulnerability as mage and summon exclusive, make it probably one of the coolest armor set effects in the entire game
and then turn around and tell me that the Nebulous Core revive isn't allowed to be cool and have side effects with a clear-cut purpose
only to constantly move the ball when we correctly hit the chip shot for a birdie and say "no you didn't, now try again"

[swift wharf]

not like silva revive is very "cool"

byeah both effects are a bit outdated imo

[sand umbra]

I think bein' literally unable to die for 8 seconds is just a little bit cooler to most people than "here's an amount of health that normal post-Plantera enemies can do and no extra effects"

[swift wharf]

dog doesn't have a revive mechanic since ages

And silva is strange now because

no longer yharon locked

and new silva lore kind of

[sand umbra]

yeah!

it's a shame that, if history is anything to go by, none of that will matter for the foreseeable future!
so, again, why not make Nebulous Core a little bit cooler and more clear-cut in its purpose in the meantime

[swift wharf]

stuff that was changed without any future planning

but for neb core I'd prob make it related to the dog fight

wait does dog get more or less armor in phase two

[sand umbra]

make it have effects relevant to DoG's fight instead of a ripped-off Spore Sac and a damage boost that your standard accessories at that point outdo

[sand umbra]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[swift wharf]

I'm probably thinking of iban design

[sand umbra]

he gets larger

and more armored I think? based on current sprites

I don't know

hilariously, his actual defense stats don't change at all

[swift wharf]

what I was gonna say would make sense if he lost his armor in phase two

kill all defense after the player revives but give cool dog effects idk

[sand umbra]

that'd be sick

[swift wharf]

one trillion life steal

(yum)

[sand umbra]

you could also make it revive for more than 100 health if you did that

[swift wharf]

or barely any health at all and let the life steal (disguised as devouring the essence of your enemies) give you health instead

[sand umbra]

ooo, yesssss

[swift wharf]

and give that Regen effect to the omni dash too that thing is sas

sad

[sand umbra]

God Slayer superdash when it's less practical to use than a normal dash

[swift wharf]

godslayer dash should have an arrow around to let you choose where to dash better

and murder the goofy ahh class effects wtf is this

[sand umbra]

better idea:
reduce its cooldown.

why does a dash of any kind have a 45 second cooldown

[swift wharf]

i mean

you can use other dashes with ir

it

[sand umbra]

the issue is that I've never had any reason to use the God Slayer dash in the first place

[swift wharf]

it's nice for yharon

[sand umbra]

because normal dashes fuflill virtually any purpose it could serve better due to not flingin' you halfway across the country the moment you pick a direction

last I fought Yharon, I found myself not wantin' to use the God Slayer dash because the last thing I needed was to incidentally fling myself into a fireball on the opposite end of the map

[swift wharf]

that's fair

them armors do be needin tweaking

[cobalt pewter]

more

at least visually

I remembered him being spikier

so that means more armor

[swift wharf]

darn

[crude geode]

Fuck relevant effects, stat boost

(I hate ESA I hate ESA)

[sand marlin]

Ok but ESA is relevant

Whispering Death immunity + one slot isn't horrible for summoner it's just slightly worse but uhh yeah it's bad for any other class

[crude geode]

Relevant to the conversation? Or to the boss

Cuz ESA has no relation to what is supposed to be it’s boss (LC)

[tired haven]

relevant effects I presume

[swift wharf]

esa being relevanat for 1 (one) class

[drowsy plank]

does esa even really truly have ties to cultist anymore

the sprite certainly doesnt

[cobalt pewter]

it's still a relic of future bosses purely because of the name

rename ESA then we can probably talk

[crude geode]

I’d argue it does because all of the soul artifacts have a connected boss

granted for some the connection is ass (dog and LC) but the overarching theme is there

ESA is the one with the least connections to it’s boss at this point tho which sucks cuz it could make a great mage accessory

[bright crag]

I honestly don't think we should care for the boss connections, at least not the original ones
The Artifacts can be given a better common identity than "outlived future bosses for some reason"

They are pretty meh rn

Except PSA... which is donor
Lol

The original artifacts are currently

✨ Weird Stat Stick ✨
✨ Nohitter Bait ✨
✨ Item DLC ✨

[sand marlin]

I'm fine with ESA as long as it can stay relevant as the immunity accessory

Another boss is gonna get whispering death right

Was it Signus or something

[royal tapir]

Signus already inflicts Whispering Death

[sand marlin]

[royal tapir]

In fact, he was the original inflictor of it

[sand marlin]

Ig since Signus is as easy as it is I just never noticed

[royal tapir]

[crude geode]

I keep forgetting PSA is donor

It fits so naturally compared to like 90% of dono items

PSC I can at least know cuz it’s like shadowspec

[bright crag]

True

Since ESA involves the Signus/DoG debuff, and is called Eldritch Soul Artifact, maybe we could theme it around the Distortion

Could probably kill DSA

And rework ASA

So you have a godly soul (PSA), a distortion soul (ESA) and a dragon soul (ASA)

As themes

[deft yew]

Wait, what’s DoG got to do with souls?

I would have assumed that was only a dragon or god thing

Of which DoG is neither

[swift wharf]

he eats gods

[deft yew]

That was also my thought but idk

[swift wharf]

byeah calamity needs to fix its ELDRITCH theme

empyrean armor 😭

[bright crag]

Nothing, really

[cobalt pewter]

I would love for them to lose the "Soul Artifact" naming, at least for the original 3

just use the first word on each acc and expand on em

[bright crag]

But you'd assume Distortion would have different beings with potentially different souls

It is an alien environment after all

[grave zinc]

@cosmic karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Nebulous Core]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cosmic karma]

?

round 2 i guess

[cobalt pewter]

????

[stable kiln]

bot malfunction

[cosmic karma]

wholesome

[distant gyro]

beep boop

[golden sonnet]

I just now realized your name, so toxic smh

[cosmic karma]

pfp cancels it out

[golden sonnet]

LMAO

[ashen warren]

[royal tapir]

[royal tapir]

It's a true nickname though

[golden sonnet]

Wow, bullies left and right

[stable kiln]

thank you cit

[stable kiln]

[sand marlin]

Phew nice

Oh

Nvm

[grave zinc]

@cosmic karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Nebulous Core]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

bot moment

[cosmic karma]

[golden sonnet]

Plixona getting pinged like 5 times lmao

[drowsy plank]

me when im nebulous core

[cobalt pewter]

when the dono is actually knowledgeable

!!

(rare specimen)

[frosty trellis]

PSA: The prime example of a donor item that doesn't feel donor
Lucrecia/Molecular Manipular: Prime examples of items that feel donor but somehow aren't

[sand marlin]

Ok but Manipulator is viable

[glass arch]

viable for silly shit yeah

[royal tapir]

Deals good damage and is very silly

insert picture of comically large Polterghast clone

[sand marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/1121749985399152720/attachment-11.gif

[royal tapir]

Thank you

[deft yew]

Lucrecia is dedicated iirc, but not sure what for

Lemme check

!wiki lucrecia

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Lucrecia

[swift wharf]

it's not

[deft yew]

Oh huh

[swift wharf]

it's just old calamity weapon

[deft yew]

I got bamboozled

[crude geode]

no you didn’t

You’re just bad

[glass arch]

got hit with that krill fishue

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ohsama-sentai-kingohger-gira-kuwagata-ohger-gif-12826928407150600072

wtf

anyways yeah dono content are funny things

[swift wharf]

true gif(?)

[cobalt pewter]

true what

[swift wharf]

jif

[cobalt pewter]

the peanut butter?

[fervent orbit]

someones cooking

[worldly sparrow]

why do i just get the feeling this breaks the rules

but i cant pinpoint where or how it does

[north oracle]

it kinda feels like a Specific Items Suggestion

[worldly sparrow]

yeah kinda

[small timber]

calartserverassetsubmissionsuggestion™ no.N

[north oracle]

[brittle charm]

is this kinda post too common?

[small timber]

it is pretty common (and) usually kind of just get a lot of votes, get approved and sit there for no one knows how long

[north oracle]

the main issue with this is the spriting, not the existence of the items

[small timber]

and then wait for a soon™️ date to happen only because calart have an asset submission they are satisfied with

[glass arch]

yeah getting sprites is

a good bit harder than actually implementing the item

[wide river]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
I think these are other suggestions just like this one
So it has been suggested before a fair bit

[north oracle]

lol

[brittle charm]

lol alright guess I don't have to worry about this. either they're aware and working on it or it's a no

[ornate slate]

we live in a society, where something like flight time meter is being worked on, but rock being gray rarity is still only approved

[cobalt heath]

already on to do list, just not being worked on

[halcyon zealot]

[brittle charm]

Ty 👍

[drowsy plank]

is there any way to make the sulphurous sea always count as an ocean biome for the purpose of NPC happiness? i built my sulph pylon right on the edge of the water but i guess my sea was pretty wide since it didn't count as ocean, which is very weird. id make a suggestion about this but i know that tmod is weird in relation to NPC happiness rn

[grim tusk]

The world switcher I guess

But you’d fuck up more stuff

[sand marlin]

Sulph Sea is always bigger than Ocean I think

[drowsy plank]

huh

[worldly sparrow]

counting the abyss, he's correct

thing is we are not counting the abyss

[drowsy plank]

that's not what i meant lmao
i meant the idea that sulph would also count as an ocean biome
the world switcher doesn't do anything about that, because the hardcoded line of where "ocean" starts doesn't change depending on the check for which side has the abyss

it was just weird when i built housing expecting it to be ocean bc it was on the shore and then all the NPCs called it a forest biome

[grim tusk]

Wait what

💀

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure there is a certain line where if i built in far enough into the water it would also be an ocean since the underlying line is still there

[sand marlin]

[drowsy plank]

like i still got the sulph pylon but because of the fact that modded biome can't affect NPC happiness yet im in this weird middle ground

[meager halo]

Add Garfield?

[drowsy plank]

@mortal pelican #1042197406776827914 i think but also isn't most of this a good thing??

do you really think cal devs want you getting more than like +5% damage on an accessory preHM? like it has another effect, tho i am unsure if ADR is factored into the DR calculations

also we

don't want items to last from early until endgame

that is like

Bad

Luxor's does this and it is problematic

we want players to use new gear that's like half the point of progression

im just gonna exclaim this until you respond since this should be a balance suggestions thing anyway, but also im pretty sure if you need hard numbers you could just ask for them from devs lmao

[golden sonnet]

Flat damage is problematic and should not exist

[drowsy plank]

ture!

[mortal pelican]

hey! thank for the response, for builds optimizing The Bee you'd still fall off toward the end of hardmode. Flat damage increase is potentially problematic, but there are diminishing returns on effectiveness as you roll through the game to the point where it becomes useless again around when moonlord is beaten even with a Bee Build.

[glass arch]

i mean

[mortal pelican]

These diminishing returns are a function of weapon damage increasing drastically in calamity over time. Anyway, luxor's gift is free flat damage for an accessory slot, The Bee is flat damage if you can maintain 100% health. It would allow certain early game build options without stifling build creativity later on.

[glass arch]

you shouldnt be able to use one accessory for the entire game

[mortal pelican]

you wouldn't, as I said, the diminishing returns of such a small flat damage increase would fall off naturally as base damage gets much higher

[drowsy plank]

a prehardmode accessory lasting until moon lord is problematic

[mortal pelican]

If you specialize entirely into its strength it will last that long should you go full damage reduction, that doesn't seem problematic to me

[drowsy plank]

also i get that calamity's damage does increase pretty drastically but still on things hit a lot and very fast it has nearly always been an issue (see; armor pen, which is effectively the same thing)

[frosty trellis]

^

[mortal pelican]

From my research it wouldn't, could you point me to the weapon it'd be problematic on?

[drowsy plank]

literally any bullet hose

[frosty trellis]

RTN can make a weapon from E tier to B tier and it's not even funny

Namely: Phoenix Flame Barrage

[drowsy plank]

ah that is a good one lmao

[mortal pelican]

150 base damage?

[frosty trellis]

PFB sucks with armor pen and gets under everything with armor pen

[drowsy plank]

could you imagine 35 flat on PFB PLUS you get 50% ADR AT FULL HEALTH

[frosty trellis]

Lord

[mortal pelican]

35 is impossible to reach at that point (at any point but still)

anyway at that point in the game % damage increasers would vastly outperform a base damage increase of 35

keep in mind

[drowsy plank]

it would not

[mortal pelican]

you have to fully spec into it

yes it would?

[frosty trellis]

Sharpening + Ichor + RTN = 36 armor pen

[drowsy plank]

it really is weapon dependant

[frosty trellis]

Also base damage applies before % buffs

[mortal pelican]

yes, and you can't have your cake and eat it too

you could not get close to 35 base with meaningful damage % buffs

[sleek turret]

so 18 extra damage

[frosty trellis]

Or over a 1/3rd of Yharon's defense

[glass arch]

%damage and flat damage value more or less depending on what weapon you use

[frosty trellis]

Yes I just said you can lol
Sharpening station gives 6
Ichor debuff gets 15
RTN gives another 15

[frosty trellis]

Also this ^

[sleek turret]

ichor debuff also reduces defense too but that's defense mechanics

[frosty trellis]

On fast firing weapons like Phoenix Flame Barrage and Minishark, flat damage/AP is genuinely super fucking stupid

[glass arch]

like have you seen what stn did for pre rework belladonnas

[sleek turret]

and dr always applies before defense i think

[glass arch]

it was incredibly stupid

[frosty trellis]

Made them viable on fucking cultists pre-1.4 release

[sleek turret]

yeah belladona back then was stupid

real stupid

yeah I think altix posted one video of belladona just being viable for cultust + whips I think

[frosty trellis]

That was Shade byeah

[drowsy plank]

it was with whips yeah, since they also gave flat damage back then

summoner "balance" :)

[frosty trellis]

Byeah flat damage breaks so much shit

That it had to be removed from whips entirely

[drowsy plank]

how much DR do your tank builds usually have MPG

[glass arch]

flat damage either does nothing or is the single most overpowered mechanic in the game

[frosty trellis]

Depends on the stage of the game

If you mean like, Auric, then about 32%

With over 400 defense as well

[sleek turret]

flat damage on shitsler 2000 with a gazillion damage vs flat damage on the silly gooby 1 use time weapon with 10 flat damage

[drowsy plank]

so that's just like a free RTN + 50% ADR if we reworked bee like this

[wide river]

And people think tank builds are useless

[mortal pelican]

Wait are we talking about the same thing

[frosty trellis]

LET'S NOT

[drowsy plank]

armor pen and flat damage are functionally the same

[frosty trellis]

ESPECIALLY WITH REAVER LIFESTEAL

[swift wharf]

copper armor on minishark is a 40% damage increase

[glass arch]

50 adr is extremely overpowered

[frosty trellis]

More than that in practice

It's closer to 70%

[swift wharf]

not counting ammo

[drowsy plank]

lul

[swift wharf]

if you count ammo then yeah XD

[sleek turret]

what was copper armor bonus

[swift wharf]

+2 flat damage +5% damage

[glass arch]

+1 flat damage atm isnt it

[drowsy plank]

nah it's 2

[frosty trellis]

Breaks Minishark in 7

[drowsy plank]

i was using it like yesterday

[swift wharf]

+1 damage would be

[frosty trellis]

Minishark is already kinda op regardless but it's just broken with copper armor

[drowsy plank]

dont forget tin's free shark tooth as well :)

[frosty trellis]

If we have vanilla weapons on the cal tierlist it would be straight into SS

[swift wharf]

boomstick when the

[wide river]

Sounds like another armor I know

(Desert Prowler)

[swift wharf]

what armor

oh

[sleek turret]

the silly desert armor

[swift wharf]

desert prowler is based

(risk of rain 2 reference)

[drowsy plank]

funny cloud is funny yes

[swift wharf]

desperadon't the funny

lights out

i forgot the name

[drowsy plank]

regardless im suprised we never moved to #1042197406776827914 but we never really got anywhere with this sugg so i guess not bothering Ozz is fine lmao

[swift wharf]

ok but when are we getting a desert prowler upgrade that's

[glass arch]

lights out resets all cooldowns when you get a kill with it
desperado gives a stacking 10% damage for every kill you get with it which resets on new stages

[swift wharf]

yes I corrected myself

right above that

[drowsy plank]

where would desert prowler 2 even go in progression is the main issue methinks

[wide river]

Imo it's best to dissect suggestions like this first before transfer
Just in case it needs more thought or turns out to not be something for the balance thread

[drowsy plank]

fair

[glass arch]

i had spent too much time writing it to not post it

[swift wharf]

sunken cost fallacy

[sleek turret]

this entire mod

[frosty trellis]

The bee needs to be reworked in full bc even in tank builds it's extremely nice at best

[swift wharf]

terraria doesn't have a shield bar the bee wouldn't work...

[grim tusk]

Flat dmg

[sleek turret]

makes shield
no shield bar

[swift wharf]

sorry im playing too much bl2

[glass arch]

the slr in question:

[swift wharf]

slr consumes the calamity bl2 references

[crude geode]

slr consumes bl2

yummy

[swift wharf]

slr consumes.

[drowsy plank]

consumes

[swift wharf]

😋

[crude geode]

Con

[glass arch]

c

[swift wharf]

C????????????

:calamity:

[grim tusk]

C#

[swift wharf]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[drowsy plank]

scary

[sleek turret]

code jumpscare

[wide river]

I need to go get an actual suggestion idea
I don't care if it's particularly good, I kinda just want to put another suggestion out there
(Plus I still have like 7 suggestions waiting to be written)

[sleek turret]

(i'll be learning python next month)

uhh actual sugg idea

make verdant soil blend for the love of God with certain tiles (bricks, etc) /s

[swift wharf]

that takes 2 lines of suggestion just do it

[crude geode]

What’s blend

[swift wharf]

who the fuck is this guy

[crude geode]

[sleek turret]

nah it would be considered sprite and tile nitpicking with my entire counterargument being "just use mudstone bricks"

[crude geode]

Looks cringe

[sleek turret]

Ok we ball

[wide river]

What if I make a suggestion that only exists to make the top 20% of this batch higher :trol:
I mean that was essentially the Ink Bomb one I made, so it wouldn't be out of the question

[sleek turret]

alr got some screenshots of it blending with different materials (including modded)

[wide river]

Time to polish up my Eldritch Soul Artifact rework suggestion from a while back
That seems like a good idea

[deft yew]

People are really averse to providing “Remove X” as an option, huh?

But I agree

[wide river]

The initial idea was "remove or rework", but I couldn't think of convincing evidence for a removal in this case

[random pasture]

When the removal is not occurring

[drowsy plank]

remove it because it fucking sucks and has no identity

[worldly sparrow]

remove it because its no longer t

[drowsy plank]

what about phantomic artifact

[worldly sparrow]

nah, screw it make everything an artifact

[wide river]

Blasphemous Donut Artifact

[drowsy plank]

okay but fr phantomic is an artifact

it uses exodium and plates just like the rest

[worldly sparrow]

Dimensional Soul Artifact Artifact

[wide river]

It's not a Soul Artifact though
Eldritch, Auric, and Dimensional Soul Artifacts are all Soul Artifacts, as such they're classified differently

Plus Phantomic Artifact isn't crafted at a Demon Altar like the rest

[deft yew]

Then make it one?

[wide river]

That's a completely different suggestion idea
It wouldn't fit in the one I posted, and I don't fancy making another suggestion regarding Soul Artifacts (there's already 1 in voting and the one I posted will be a second)

[drowsy plank]

artifacts are weird and i think they should all die or be rethemed to actually be consistent

[deft yew]

Remove, retheme, rework, rename, tiershift, there are a bunch of options here

[swift wharf]

it's a question of effort

[deft yew]

Also this is practically the only reason one needs to remove anything

[swift wharf]

do you put effort into changing it or do you remove it

[deft yew]

The answer seems to have been “put in the effort” most of the time

((Armored Digger

[wide river]

Consider that a lot of the outdated content has potential to be changed :hdflr:
Not everything is just "Bad and needs removal" or "Fine and should stay"

[deft yew]

Oh no, I know very well that a lot of things need to both stay and change

[sleek turret]

i agree with ecIipse

[swift wharf]

Everything has the potential to be bettee

Everything

[sleek turret]

a lot of shit needs really good effort to get really good

[swift wharf]

But is the effort worth it

[sleek turret]

shit ain't gonna get good by themselves smh

[swift wharf]

Is it worth the effort to rework Hellkite

[deft yew]

It is if you give it lore!

[swift wharf]

Exoblade materials

[sleek turret]

idk i touched that weapon 1 year ago and i'm not sure if it barely got a change

[worldly sparrow]

true, we need terra toilet lore

[swift wharf]

Imagine if calamity kept the removed weapons

[worldly sparrow]

every item is better with lore, they say

[swift wharf]

The extra port work

Not just this port, the previous port too

The extra effort in balance

For spore knife

For shinobi blade or whatever

[sleek turret]

coldheart icicle 💀

[swift wharf]

Correct me and I'll hit you

[deft yew]

Shinobi Blade remains, and has been buffed

It’s ancient shiv

[swift wharf]

👊 💥

[deft yew]

(ig you can hit me now or something

[sleek turret]

(the weapon sounds like a goddamn Rogue weapon)

[swift wharf]

I like ESA solely because it has eldritch on the name

[deft yew]

Speaking of balancing facetank melee can we kill mantis shrimp and mantis claws

[swift wharf]

But removing it is still a valid option

Aren't mantis shrimp abyss creatures irl

[deft yew]

One moment

[swift wharf]

or am I tweaking

[wide river]

There is a difference between accessories and weapons
I'm not saying that the removed content should have stayed, but should we really justify removing stuff simply because "it might be too much effort to keep it"?
Wouldn't we then outlaw rework suggestions because they might be too much effort?

[sleek turret]

Mantis Shrimp are ocean enemies

They deal like, 400 on contact afaik

[swift wharf]

Considering calamity size

Ywah

btw radiant ooze lol lmao

[sleek turret]

honk mimimimimi

[swift wharf]

ampoule

[sleek turret]

ampoule back then in my days (boomer moment) was one of the best items ever

[swift wharf]

i ran out

[sleek turret]

they fucked up

[swift wharf]

ampoule is now good for one boss on its towe

tier*

"good"

<twins>

[sleek turret]

because of regen right

[swift wharf]

if you haven't already killed them that is

cursed inferno resistance

[sleek turret]

ah

[swift wharf]

regen when charm of myths

[sleek turret]

ampoule could be better like most stuff that deserves to be better

like you said it's an effort issue

[swift wharf]

effort is already being put in a lot of things

things that will take years to do

reworking it would be cool but ranged players will not miss % increased velocity

that's my perspective of it

[pine star]

I remember the old days of Ambrosial Ampoule

when I used it against PBG

[swift wharf]

ampoule was good until you got absorber which was a better ampoule

deific was one too

star veil + charm of myths + armor pen

[pine star]

well now deific doesn't have armor pen

and you need to kill Astrum Deus for it

[swift wharf]

before it was early hm

[pine star]

yep

current deific is ok though

[swift wharf]

early hm upgrades were op

same with pre provi

hell

post deus

when seraph tracers didn't use luminite

• old community + old hote

fun times

[pine star]

well old hote was a major all stats up

and iirc current community isn't much different from old community

[swift wharf]

it kinda is

[pine star]

WHEN WAS THIS

[swift wharf]

idk 2017 2018

old community when the boss buffs stacked

I think the word is cumulative

so beating evey boss > just beating yharon

1% drop tho xd

[pine star]

oh

I entirely forgot about that

the boss buffs stacking

[swift wharf]

shit was mandatory

funny how the concept of the shattered community is also really fucking old

[pine star]

when was the concept brought up?

[swift wharf]

how it works now, idk

[grim tusk]

Yea it comes from old rage lol

[swift wharf]

older than that

the idea of having something to be the embodiment of the shitty part of the community is really, really old

stress old, maybe older

[pine star]

ok I can see that being old

probably as old as people asking for Scal theme

[grim tusk]

WhEreS sU🅱️rEme 🅱️aLamItaS?

[sleek turret]

lol lmao

[pine star]

lol.

lmao.

[sleek turret]

i forgot to put the dirt tile one but it does blend

fuck i forgot the picture

[serene tendon]

Hot take: Blocks blending is usually more jarring than them not blending unless they're very similarly colored and textured.

[drowsy plank]

counterpoint, if mud blends with it, vernal soil should too because it is literally just jungle mud 2

[serene tendon]

I agree that if one should, the other should too.

But I would prefer it if neither did, except maybe with each other

Do you know if specified blending is even possible though?

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene tendon]

Fair enough lol

[sleek turret]

specified blending or some sort of thing that makes tiles unblend like a coating would be so awesome fr

[serene tendon]

Yes, that would be great. And if there was one that made stuff blend, then mod devs wouldn't be begged to make such and such a block blend

[sleek turret]

it really depends on the building context tbh

for example in my recent buildings i hate how glass blends with certain tiles and it looks kinda bad vs unblended

[serene tendon]

Yeah, paint can change that sort of judgement of completely

[sleek turret]

for founding on the other hand it would just look jarring to have like grass underneath something that shouldn't have grass (vernal soil with other tiles)

[serene tendon]

If only glass had something sort of like what Optifine does with Minecraft glass, where glass blends with itself but not with other blocks

[sleek turret]

yeah it would be really great

[sleek turret]

paint (not coatings) were made so that tiles like spooky wood could be used more in building to fit into a specific thematic

you should try spooky wood + brown paint

[serene tendon]

Hmm, I definitely will. Problem is that it's Post-Planterra, and you'll likely have built most, if not all, of your NPC houses by then.

[sleek turret]

generally yes you alredy have houses built but it looks so cool tho (and in my particular case i just cheat in the tile)

[small timber]

so what you mean is

every single boss should have 1 min RDR for boss rush

[grim tusk]

C: Buff Exo Mechs

[grim tusk]

Honestly we should fucking do this as one of the difficulties on the BR mode addon

So people have a way to stop complaining

Cuz besides bug fixes we aint touching BR

[small timber]

In GFB BR all bosses have RDR equivalent to their normal fight killtime

[grim tusk]

Calm down Satan

We doing evil shit on GfB

But thats too much

Its also not fun and meme-y

[glass arch]

time to minmax the fuck outta damage so i kill them the exact frame the rdr lets me

[ashen warren]

every boss gets worm unraveling dr

[small timber]

I do not remember OD despawning at all unless you run more than half the sulphurous sea away (which you cant do except by expanding sulphurous sea anyway)

and if it is 15 seconds, it is already a very generous time compare to most bosses that actually have despawn problem

[left hawk]

15 sec is just my guess I don't know the code of the AI

I haven't modified the terrain of the sulphurous sea at all

[small timber]

if it is available to you can you record how did OD despawned?

I will just get my own and try to replicate a despawn, because I do not remember OD despawning at all ever since they make it more generous a long time ago

[left hawk]

OK

[small timber]

I try to fly to space during rest phase and I still cant despawn it

this is just expert rev

let me just turn off all mods for the sake of it

[left hawk]

I only had 2 bloodworms and I died both times lmao its like midnight so I don't feel like getting more RN

I will make the recording tomorrow if that is fine with you

I think the difference between your example and the occasions when mine despawns is the amount of time he spends offscreen (not super far offscreen, still visible on the minimap)

Since TOD can dash across over half the screen at once I try to keep him slightly outside the bounds of my screen so that I can still aim at him but he isn't close enough to hit me in one dash

I get that intentionally keeping the boss offscreen is practically begging for a despawn but given that its not that far offscreen + I'm not trying to despawn him its just me trying to not get hit I don't think the player should be punished for doing that so a slight increase in radius would be nice

Will try to record it in like 10 hours when I wake up 👍

Should clarify I meant amount of consecutive time offscreen since I think him showing up in screen even slightly resets the timer, but having him completely offscreen for like 15 sec will despawn him

[cobalt pewter]

why are you Having the boss completely offscreen for 15 seconds in a boss fight where you're horizontally extremely confined naturally?

unless

you keep it off screen for 5 seconds somehow, it rests, and you leave it there

[drowsy plank]

sounds like ur just leaving the biome tbqh

[hot barn]

Irl Calamity Plushies.

Idk if thats a good idea

Cuz idk if they'll be able to keep up the production

Or even afford it

But i think everyone would love to see a calamitt plushie

Like a Yharon plushie

I rly need someone to tell me if that's even a good idea

[sand marlin]

That's a bug which will be fixed anyway

^ @feral gulch

@errant cradle you can probably flag that right

[errant cradle]

👍

[sand marlin]

Ty

[oblique geyser]

Would it be a valid suggestion to suggest removing the progression rework config

[vagrant spindle]

maybe

[oblique geyser]

As in, forcing the progression rework

[sand marlin]

I think it's too big a change to vanilla progression that's why it's a config

[oblique geyser]

It's a big change which is why it shouldn't be a config

[sand marlin]

It's a big change to vanilla

That perspective matters

[hot barn]

So is it a good idea?? Shoul i post it in suggestions or

[oblique geyser]

But it's not vanilla, calamity changes a ton of other stuff that's not a config

[sand marlin]

Even the base stat changes are a config

It doesn't change the fact that it's a big rework to vanilla progression

Actually what's the biggest other thing

Personally don't care about the config but I can see why it's a. thing

[oblique geyser]

I guess that makes sense but it is still a mod, so idk why there should be a config to remove the modification to vanilla progression

[frosty trellis]

Mod Compatability issue so probably not

[sand marlin]

Yea I also just looked at the thing

A config suggestion will typically not get shut down if it concerns cross-mod compatibility, such as an unavoidable Calamity change to vanilla mechanics. Those are the most appropriate cases in which a config will actually be welcome.

So the config staying is encouraged

[feral gulch]

oh ok

[oblique geyser]

Yeah okay

[drowsy plank]

yeah the config is really and truly only for mod compat

this is why i think they should also rework plant to pillars progression

[ripe owl]

That's not for the suggestion channels 👍

[bright crag]

We should rework Terraria tbh

[small timber]

rework preHM ore progression
you only have up to iron/lead tier at the start,
killing King Slime (which have increased chance of spawning if you have more than 5 defense) unlock silver and tungsten into the world
killing EOC unlock gold and platinum
killing Evil1 give demonite/crimtane but nightmare and deathbringer pickaxes cannot break hellstone
hellstone is instead only breakable through a special new tier of pickaxe crafted from bones and can also be looted from dungeon chests

everyone will love these changes #trustme

[swift wharf]

minecraft

[rugged finch]

Facts

[hollow ridge]

This one kinda seems like a ❗ cus of the idea

But I like the base of it

[umbral gazelle]

h

[hollow ridge]

Whar

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Post-Moon Lord Melee Armors Have Melee Speed]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

Based

[ripe owl]

[small timber]

ok they actually did it before the post-ML melee rebalance

(that or they make melee speed so useless that having them on post-ML armors do not matter whatsoever)

[distant gyro]

i forgot everything on that list but xyk calamitymod melee did nuke celestial shell to compensate

and food buffs and others

ok there's a couple more

[small timber]

I have a feeling this will make melee speed buff even more impactful
but yeah in that case gauntlet stacking probably have to be gone

[deft yew]

Oh. Oh no

[drowsy plank]

it's probably not going to be a lot and also like Literally Every Other Source of melee speed has died basically

[distant gyro]

auric melee gives 28% that is a decent bit i think

[left hawk]

Yeah it usually happens when it does one of those attacks where it stays relatively in place and then rests immediately afterwards (ex. the spiky urchin attack or the vortex summoning one) and I don't want to be close to the boss when it finishes resting since it'll immediately dash into me

I'm not actively running away from it while its doing that though im just kind of sitting a little ways away while it is still visible on the minimap

[left hawk]

The background image never changes so I'm pretty sure I'm not

[small timber]

15 seconds is a very generous time especially for a boss that, for the most part, definitely do not require you to stay as far away as you claim for it especially after the nerf on shark debris

it is difficulty to just outrun for 15 seconds continuously on a normal setup even, as shown in the video I try to drag as much distance as possible yet it is still not 15 seconds

[cobalt pewter]

15 consecutive seconds is certainly possible when the mf is resting

[small timber]

^

[cobalt pewter]

just need to account for the 5s

hmm

[small timber]

I wait for it to rest, zoom from the bottom of my arena all the way to the top layer of space in a large world, and it is not 15 seconds

[cobalt pewter]

interesting

[small timber]

and it is on expert Rev, let alone Death/FTW where it charges faster or have shorter rest phase

and that point then yes, I will say old duke's despawn is an anti-cheese mechanic if it is this difficult to outrun it for 15 seconds with a normal setup

for comparison a boss that is notorious and have actual despawn issue is Plantera

it instantly despawn if it is out of your screen (yes, literally just out of it) for around 3 seconds, it literally despawn when you try to drag it to your arena

[cobalt pewter]

truly a plant moment

[left hawk]

I didn't have any issues with Plantera despawning I'm assuming because I just summoned and fought it in Vernal Pass

[left hawk]

I would argue that there should be a phase-3 type teleportation for anti-cheese rather than despawning halfway into a 10 minute long fight

I'm playing melee so I'm not even keeping as much distance as I would as say, ranger

[drowsy plank]

[small timber]

because phase 3 teleport is not supposed to be an anti-cheese, it is supposed to be an attack that just happens to teleport to you, which happens to just allow you to outrun it anyway because it do not really stop you from outrunnning but just feed more into the cheese strat by preventing itself from despawning

like I said, if it is this difficult to outrun it in a normal situation, you almost certainly have to be deliberately doing something, with the intention of cheesing it in mind, for it to be out of your screen consistently for 15 seconds, at that point yes the boss will despawn

if you want to prove that it is very easy to do this (outrun it consistently for 15 seconds, without specific setup), just record it, because I think you need at least 150% movement speed (which most build do not have unless with full quick, which will still be difficult without +1/2 movement accessory) just to outspeed it even with constant dash, or have absurdly large arena for the fight

and of course the "10 min long fight" not sure if it is overexaggeration or not, because in my experience only FTW take that long which at that point the "forced to be far away from OD" part is certainly expected because you signed up for FTW, because in its current non-ftw state the fight definitely do not requi you to be far away from OD always, like at all

[left hawk]

I just have a skill issue then lol IDK I'm not playing FTW and have no quick modifiers (although I do have swiftness potion always active)

Plan on recording it today but I use a laptop and can't record on battery and don't want it plugged in at 100% so I need to wait for the battery to drain some

[left hawk]

...This is embarrasing but I managed to kill it twice without it despawning lmao

IDK what was going on last night

I deleted my original post since it doesn't seem like its an actual issue

[drowsy plank]

lol

[pine star]

it's less bad than it sounds

[distant gyro]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/1042197406776827914/1128725081019920436

[pine star]

so yeah

basically all other ways to get melee speed are dead

[sick belfry]

the changes for melee speed flightly overtuned

[fervent orbit]

[sick belfry]

imo, but that's me

[drowsy plank]

I do not think you have any idea what you are talking about tbqh

[sick belfry]

fair

[drowsy plank]

mostly talking about passafam but the only thing i disagreed with here is the berserker's glove one lol

[deft yew]

the feral and power 2% nerfs do feel pretty useless in retrospect

[fervent orbit]

every cal projectile sword is based on melee swing, not a cd

[deft yew]

that is

[pine star]

the berserker's glove one does seem the weirdest

[deft yew]

2 (two) percent

[fervent orbit]

ok but 12 was ugly

[drowsy plank]

[deft yew]

stacking that might cut off 1 extra usetime

[sick belfry]

shell makes sense, for a effective DoG tier item that early

[deft yew]

[sick belfry]

not ok

[deft yew]

community giving any stat that only works for one class is a little goofy tbh

(give it summon damage or something to compensate for crits

[fervent orbit]

lol no

[deft yew]

clockwork weapons when i show them attack speed: [explodes]

[pine star]

note:
attack speed is still useless for summoners

[sick belfry]

I like worm tooth/scarf, losing 7% AS for 3% damage, could be worse

[deft yew]

also true

[fervent orbit]

counterpoint: active summoner weapons

[deft yew]

vanguard spam

[distant gyro]

titanium gives 9 and solar flare gives 15 (adamantite gives 20 and beetle gives up to 36 but those are anomalies)
giving auric 8 is an outright deprogression

[deft yew]

[fervent orbit]

the fucking clueless

[pine star]

counter-counterpoint:
how many are there

[sick belfry]

it could just have removed attack speed and give BWS/T nothing, the bad ending

[fervent orbit]

2 + whips + classless weapons

[pine star]

so around 25 afaik?

[distant gyro]

elemental gauntlet hardly increase attack speed (from fire gauntlet)

[fervent orbit]

and we are removing that neccessity to be on accessories

[distant gyro]

and there are no other sources of global attack speed boosts in this mod or vanilla

[pine star]

it's being moved from accessories to armor

[sick belfry]

Worm Tooth/scarf is at least better on weapons that don't care for AS (even if it's just +3% damage)

[oblique geyser]

heck no

celestial shell is absurd

[sick belfry]

CShell is DoG level of power

at golem

right?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[sick belfry]

then that makes a lot of sense

[fervent orbit]

pretty much equivalent to ele gauntlet

it doesnt need one

[sick belfry]

Elemental gauntlet is better fire gauntlet

so it doesn't really need a charge

[distant gyro]

yeah

[fervent orbit]

is ur only solution "buff it" or wat???

[sick belfry]

but when a golem tier item is equal to it, that's no balanced

[distant gyro]

elemental gauntlet is better than fire gauntlet

but auric melee is arguably worse than solar flare

where the tip is headed towards seems clear here

[fervent orbit]

in favour

[sick belfry]

I'm just sad my funny worm got hurt in the AS crossfire

[distant gyro]

and the 3 other melee armors before auric is just out right worse than solar

[fervent orbit]

just change shields adr to dr this will surely have no consequences

[pine star]

ADR?

[distant gyro]

dr but different

[fervent orbit]

alternate damage reduction

cool dont care

u do realise this is going to be a nerf overall until auric

WE JUST DID

[drowsy plank]

me when infernum player makes calls on vanilla balance
and also says celestial shell is fine

[distant gyro]

balance the weapons actually

[deft yew]

as an infernum player celestial shell is Not fine

[fervent orbit]

@ashen warren oi. look over here. you see this?

this is you

[distant gyro]

just saying it out there that if you think your way of balancing is "the right way" then that is highly delusional

[fervent orbit]

youve kept fucking saying to "balance this and that" with your only thought of balance is to overbuff everything

[sick belfry]

Badge not giving any AS even if it uses feral claw is kinda weird, but not outright bad

[deft yew]

the sugg voting population concisely summed up in one image

but that's what balance thread is for

[sick belfry]

could just spawn feral claw with like melee emblem in recipe

wouldn't change anything

[deft yew]

the fact is, badge of bravery just is weird

[sick belfry]

but just make it look slightly more better in what you get out and give in

[deft yew]

like why is it even a thing

[sick belfry]

fair

[fervent orbit]

minor spelling mistake. arguement invalid

[random pasture]

Anyway unnerf yoyos pls

[deft yew]

same to you

[blazing kettle]

what even is badge of bravery

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Badge_of_Bravery

[fervent orbit]

that

weird
thing

[sick belfry]

it's just a feral claw with + 3 AS 5 damage, 5 crit and 5 armor piercing, a weird thing

[pine star]

seems a bit weird now that I think about it

[deft yew]

melee stat stick #982

[blazing kettle]

why is it post ml

[drowsy plank]

stats :)

[random pasture]

Cringe

[deft yew]

actually why not just

[random pasture]

You know we could uh

Ahem

Delete

[drowsy plank]

it's gonna be a melee sniper scope now so i think replacing the feral claws would be a good idea, but i dont mind the item existing, it just needs to have a more focused identity

some day glove stacking will die and when it does badge will be good probably

[sick belfry]

just make it use melee emblem instead of feral claws

[random pasture]

True!

[frosty trellis]

And currently: Extremely overpowered

[sick belfry]

will look better then giving using an item with AS as it's whole thing suddenly become more raw damage and crit focused for some reason.

[frosty trellis]

Badge will be good regardless even if it's just a melee sniper snope

✨ Because it's not losing the armor pen ✨

[drowsy plank]

lul

[sick belfry]

armor pen ❤️

[frosty trellis]

I remember using that shit with pre-reworked Terretomere and it was a 30 second kt difference between BWS and BOB

It was Horrific

That thing is genuinely broken rn

It's on the doc I made awhile back of broken accessories that was made even before I did the BLENDER facetank

And started my escapade into tank madness

[sick belfry]

to live forever

[frosty trellis]

5% dmg and crit, as much melee speed as shell AND armor pen is Slightly overpowered

[sick belfry]

ye

now it'll still be great

10% dmg and crit and +5 armor pen

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[oblique geyser]

i love armor pen

still can't make dank staff viable tho

[frosty trellis]

It might end up having to lose the AP though

That AP is dumb

[sick belfry]

how many accessories (other then the shark tooth lines) give AP

is it just it

[frosty trellis]

BOB is the only other accessory I can think of, although two armors give AP

[sick belfry]

oh yeah rogue glove

also gives AP but only to stealth strike

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[sick belfry]

so yeah it's the only other item that's not part of the shark tooth lines to give AP always

kinda (maybe a lot) overpowered

I'm just sad for my worm items

maybe give it like a bit more defense +1 or +2 as well as the damage, or would that not be balanced

from giving 7DF, 7DR, 7AS, and 7%DMG to 7DF, 7DR, and 10%DMG just looks slightly weird imo but not bad

[pine star]

dumb idea:
give 7% MS

instead of increasing the damage

so that it can stay all sevens

[deft yew]

shrimply

any issues with this one?

i forgot yharim's insignia while typing this and it would probably be good to bring up

[sick belfry]

I think the changes they are saying (to make do more crit and attack) is good to, a melee sniper scope isn't bad

maybe will need to remove the AP

the only other item in the game to give constant AP on an accessory minus the shark tooth tree

[drowsy plank]

it's like that way for a reason

i think the suggestion looks fine, and while i would like Badge to be reworked because L O R E with Braelor, id be equally happy to get a better item to connect with him and finally letting Badge die like it should've when the rest of the culling happened

[sick belfry]

that's related to Braelor, how?

[drowsy plank]

tarragon is like. braelor's armor set. or like. it was. and badge was related to that

idk in new lore

[sick belfry]

didn't know, thought his armor be similar to statis in some way tbh

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

statis is a ninja and braelor was a warrior

i think it would be weird if they had similar armor tbqh

[sick belfry]

they were the bromies but it makes sense

[wide river]

Tarragon definitely isn't Braelor's armor anymore
It got brought up at some point and was swiftly removed after a "Wait why is that still there"

[drowsy plank]

lol

[oblique geyser]

Isn't Tarragon itself getting removed

[wide river]

Yes, it will be entirely replaced with some Profaned-themed stuff iirc

[deft yew]

arsenal and profaned guardians armor

i believe

[wide river]

That sounds right

[small timber]

Have anyone tested AP outside of the few weapon like slithering eel and minishark (or generally preHM) that benefit way too much from it?

Because at one point AP was twice as good which makes it overpowered, but right now 5 AP on 99% of non-preHM weapon should not matter whatsoever especially a 5AP at post-ML

[bright crag]

Tarragon will die

Well, be replaced with a more thematically fitting set

[oblique geyser]

What about other uelibloom

[bright crag]

Wdym?

[grim tusk]

KILL

[oblique geyser]

Other uelibloom stuff

Like weapons

[bright crag]

The entire Uelibloom set wil die afaik

[oblique geyser]

Dang

What about stuff like Virid Vanguard

actually that's the only interesting weapon in that set

[bright crag]

We'll see

Haven't gotten there yet

[oblique geyser]

Lol yeah everything except virid could die and nobody would care

Verdant frickin sucks

[wide river]

MPG would care if Biofusillade was killed (probably)

[crude geode]

uelibloom when it's the blandest thing on the fucking planet

(who knew having 3 different plant themed sets would make a majority of them boring af)

[drowsy plank]

blossom pickaxe and early bloom rod dying would be a comedy for tool progression tho fr

[crude geode]

it would be funny

[wide river]

To everyone complaining about the last main set of tools being post-Providence: We heard you, we made the last set post-Moon Lord instead by removing the post-Providence tools

[oblique geyser]

Based

[tired haven]

This is essentially what happened like 4 years ago with true melee thanks (?) to my efforts: strongest ones were nerfed and nothing else was brought to the table

[crude geode]

zamn

[eager bobcat]

Please don't take away my multi poles

[bright crag]

They wouldn't outright die

They'd just be replaced with another pickaxe and fishing rod, with a more adequate theme

Think of Uelibloom rework as a reboot

It's still a set, with weapons, armor, tools
The thing is, materials, theme, weapon and armor design will be changed

So far, what we have as most concrete are the armors, which will be based on the Guardians
And I will say, they look cool af

[fervent orbit]

can virid stay, i think its cool and it only got reworked recently (with the retheme obviously)

[bright crag]

I would like Virid to stay too

We'll see how when we get there

[swift wharf]

virid can just get resprited for that matter

[fervent orbit]

just give it a resprite smh

(and change the word virid)

[bright crag]

It would either be disconnected from new Uelibloom, or resprited to fit in it

[swift wharf]

dss might be a problem

the provi blade staff

[bright crag]

Why?

Simular functionality?

Because it is a Providence drop, so separate from Uelibloom

[swift wharf]

would be a bit funky to have two somewhat similar weapons on the same tiee

if vanguard becomes profaned themed that is

[bright crag]

Yeah
Which is why I'm unsure if it's the way to go

[swift wharf]

Mhm

Merge both into one item it will have no issues I swear

[ashen warren]

damn i have this sick suggestion but i can't say it because it's also about sepulcher being connected to the brim hearts 😔

[fervent orbit]

wat

ones a small blade another is giant blade

i dont see any problem

[swift wharf]

two will be both profaned themed and post provi

[ashen warren]

wait a minute it's not in sugg posting so i'm good whether you like it or not

[weary bane]

combine both and turn them into flying medium blades

[ashen warren]

what about blades

what's going on

[weary bane]

uelibloom items getting turned into profaned themed items

which would turn the virid vanguard into a second profaned themed blade summoning weapon

[ashen warren]

true

just make it a whip

[swift wharf]

whip blade

[ashen warren]

durendal

[weary bane]

replace dazzling stabber staff with a whip that releases small short-lived homing blades

[drowsy plank]

sepulcher sheild when i

[livid coral]

I cast ultra sword

Sorry I saw a Kirby reference and my brain was like haha

[ashen warren]

neuron activation

[livid coral]

How to summon lilac 101

[swift wharf]

@solar arrow specific item suggestions/references are not allowed, please read the pins

[solar arrow]

Ok sorry

[hollow shell]

@neon tree ?? Are plushies a Calamity Vanities thing?

[neon tree]

Yeah, I forgot to add that part

[hollow shell]

We don't own Calamity Vanities

[neon tree]

Then who does

[hollow shell]

That's a separate unofficial mod

[neon tree]

Damnit

[hollow shell]

There's an invite in #other-discords

[neon tree]

Alright

Thanks

[hollow shell]

👍

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/912659333962162216.gif?size=128

[deft bison]

Spinning calamitas

[willow widget]

thoughts on moving plague hive to pre cultist

cuz i feel like its kinda stupid to lock it to post cultist

i don't feel like there is really a point to lock it to post cultist (ancient manipulator)

[wide river]

Hmm
I could see merit in that, depending on how strong it is currently

[willow widget]

not very from the seems of it

[wide river]

Hmm
Then seems fine

[drowsy plank]

remove plague hive

it's literally useless

why does plague hive exist

it either needs a buff or to just die tbqh

or make it the default and kill alch flask idk tbqh

[wide river]

...Like Heart of the Elements

I'm in favor of removing it personally
Since there's canonically only one of each of Elemental, it makes literally no sense to exist

[drowsy plank]

heart of the elements is fine you just need to make the elementals not shit

and if you make the elementals not shit it might get too strong but then you can just move it to. where the rest of the elemental items are anyway so like

two birds one stone

yknow?

[royal tapir]

Pre-1.5 Plague Hive

[drowsy plank]

okay but i am the number 1 defender of pre-1.5 plague hive because at least it DID SOMETHING

[bright crag]

(Can make the HotE Elementals not the actual Elementals, but something like Elemental constructs)

Them being the Elementals is awkward and illogical

[wide river]

Yeah, definitely

[buoyant idol]

Hote almost seems like a fan service thing for the most part, it needs a rework.

[lavish condor]

@neon tree Infernum suggs don't go here

Infernum's not being updated anymore except for minor patches

[neon tree]

FUCK

[grim tusk]

Oh god now not here too

[neon tree]

Of course

[drowsy plank]

[neon tree]

Whatever

It's a cool idea though

[drowsy plank]

ok i dont even know what this is tbqh

[neon tree]

What?

[grim tusk]

Infernum suggestion

[drowsy plank]

no i meant the bud i knew it was from infernum

bloom

whatever

[neon tree]

The bug is one of the Dev Wishes

[drowsy plank]

i know it exists idk what it does

[lavish condor]

Just a vanity thing

[drowsy plank]

the bug

[wide river]

Can't wait for the inevitable next step: Infernum modmails

[neon tree]

Spawns petals around the player if in vanity

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-omori-omori-omori-red-omori-chara-omori-kill-gif-26195343

[neon tree]

Omg Omori

[grim tusk]

Oh well at least those aint my problem

Suggs and especially bugs forum tho

[drowsy plank]

oh we already get inf modmails

mostly inf bug reports

[grim tusk]

[wide river]

God

[north oracle]

[wide river]

Infernum has left a mark on the Cal community
Apparently everyone thinks it's official for some reason :hdflr:

[north oracle]

it's really weird lol

[deft yew]

live reaction

[glass arch]

its because its mentioned in game on the difficulty slider and dom used to be a cal dev

[cobalt pewter]

it's the closest to an official add on due to the dev and the mention in cal itself

no wonder people thought Infernum is official

[eager bobcat]

All this makes sense when you realize that the average calamity player is 12 and can't read

[pine star]

more like won't read

[worldly sparrow]

god this suggestion

[hollow shell]

@sage iron "the only radioactive isotopes of sulfur are incredibly short lived."
The sea doesn't just have sulfur in it, it was also polluted by Draedon the mad scientist turbo-engineer

that's why piles of rusted scrap metal and laboratory furniture generate on the ocean floor in-game

also "radiation also doesn't go well with life."
fantasy game

[worldly sparrow]

also this would be a huge change to the mod

and would probably require months of effort to make

[glass arch]

"radiation doesnt go well with life" you can quite literally live in both hell and space in this game

[drowsy plank]

me, standing in the lava pools in hell

"but how are there living organisms in the sulphurous sea"

[worldly sparrow]

also idk why this man is comparing the sulphurous sea to the brimstone crags

[hollow shell]

also I kinda like that the mythical brimstone and the scientific sulfur are connected, with the Crags being below the Sea
Like, two sides of the same coin

[worldly sparrow]

the two have barely any similarities

if any

[hollow shell]

("brimstone" is a name for sulfur in real life)

[drowsy plank]

tbqh i feel like flagging this because

[worldly sparrow]

oh cool

[pine star]

man's just thinking "S the element underneath oxygen in the periodic table"

and what rover said

[small timber]

I mean this 100% have to be flagged already just because it conflict with current lore and future lore and any future biome rework

[drowsy plank]

it's weird having two sulfur/brimstone biomes and neither of them matching in any way.
brim literally cause sulf with the pollution from azafure like what

yeah

[small timber]

by asking the entire biome to be rethemed

[wide river]

Please do
It's asking for a complete retheming of a biome for the reason of "It doesn't fit the fantasy game"

[swift wharf]

I don't think they know about the new lore judging by this

[drowsy plank]

probably

[worldly sparrow]

also this would require such a long amount of time it completely breaks the rule about "- Any suggestions which will take an extreme amount of time, effort, and long-term commitment to execute
"

[swift wharf]

I don't think this makes sense even with the old lore

[drowsy plank]

still it is very silly to just be like "please retheme everything because it isn't scientific"

LOL

[crude geode]

when terraria isn’t scientific

[drowsy plank]

terraria doesn't already have acid themed stuff, besides acid venom and some dyes.
this was the part that really got me tho

like

[deft yew]

this is strange

[drowsy plank]

YEAH???

that is the point???

[urban relic]

caustic ions homie wdym its not believable

[drowsy plank]

we're adding content that terraria doesn't already have

[wide river]

The player should not be able to breath nearly as long as they do, this must be fixed

[swift wharf]

Are we bringing both magic and science against the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

you want more fucking ice weapons or something we already got 4 sets of those on top of vanilla's

like

[crude geode]

[small timber]

I think we should just add evil 3 and hallow 2, dungeon 2 and jungle temple 2

and pillars but underworld

[swift wharf]

mein got

[worldly sparrow]

if the game should be more scientific, then remove hell altogether, make the sulphurous sea into a normal one, get rid of all the fantasy elements, and then we'll be good

[urban relic]

I want sand weapon that throws sand, suffocating all mobs in effected area

[crude geode]

Thanos Snap Ice, Fire, and Ice/Fire Items

They deserve it

New sugg concept

[wide river]

We need to retheme the Underworld because the Underworld isn't real and there shouldn't be this much lava with no way for the heat to escape clearly

[worldly sparrow]

ever heard of the sandgun?

[sage iron]

chabnging the names of like, 10 things would take months 💀

[swift wharf]

it's all molten metal and it makes your world load twice slower because fluids

[worldly sparrow]

im talking more like getting the lore to adapt

[urban relic]

Sand gun doesnt suffocate like that

[worldly sparrow]

it actually does

although some enemies cant take suffocation damage

[sage iron]

if it's not all sulfur in the first place, it would not be hard to just rename it to not be sulfur related

[glass arch]

its not name changing that would be hard
the hard part would be respriting everything and changing the lore and overhauling the mechanics

[sage iron]

this response instantly kills your credibility when it comes to this type of thing.

[swift wharf]

Huh

[worldly sparrow]

also a bestiary rewrite would be needed for a few mobs but thats minor

[sage iron]

damn i dont remember suggesting doing that but okay.

[glass arch]

cue the chaos elemental suggestion

[hybrid steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/959186588540207205/output.gif

[glass arch]

that is inherently what would have to happen for it to not be sulphur themed

[bright crag]

The radiation isn't from the sulphur, but simultaneously, being sulphuric is the oldest, most famous trait of that seaside

[hollow shell]

Do you think that nuclear radiation should be considered sacred/untouchable, and not be used as a source of life in any fictional material?

[small timber]

the lore item literally gave the reason why things survive in the biome, and said reason is a fantastic element

[wide river]

You're asking for a complete retheming of the biome, which would vastly change the lore and enemies to compensate

[sage iron]

i was literally saying that because terraria doesn't already have acid themed stuff, so it would fit a niche the base game doesn't have

[glass arch]

sulphur and radiation is so deeply baked into sulphur sea's identity that it cant be rethemed easily

[worldly sparrow]

yeah the sulphurous sea fills the niche???

[sage iron]

THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT IM SAYING OH MY GOD

[bright crag]

(And how are we avoiding an acid theme? There's literally Acid Rain)

[sage iron]

THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING.

[glass arch]

THEN WHY SAY TO GET RID OF IT

[worldly sparrow]

just make it a different liquid

[swift wharf]

I am not following it

[sage iron]

I NEVER DID I SAID TO LEAN MORE INTO THE ACID THEME.

[royal tapir]

What is #suggestions-discussion waffling about tonight

[small timber]

so let me put it this way: what you want is for brimstone biome to be the "acid themed" biome?

[worldly sparrow]

a proposed retheming of the sulphurous sea

[glass arch]

did you miss the part where sulfur is one of the most acidic elements

[swift wharf]

sulfuric acid

[hybrid steeple]

bad suggs

[sage iron]

not at all.

[hollow shell]

The event that takes place in the biome is "Acid Rain"
When you swim in the water of the biome, a damaging Acid Meter appears on your screen
The bubbles that rise up from the biome's vent objects are Sulphuric Acid Bubbles
The wood in the biome is called Acidwod

Aquatic Scourge uses acid mist as an attack

[worldly sparrow]

"rename the sulfurous sea, and make it not radiation themed."
what part of this is not a proposed retheming

[glass arch]

theres a weapon from the sulphur sea literally called Acid Gun

[sage iron]

yes that's why I'm saying lean more into the acid theme.

[worldly sparrow]

it literally says to not make it radiation themed

[sage iron]

I KNOW

[glass arch]

YOU DONT NEED TO IT ALREADY LEANS INTO IT MORE THAN ENOUGH