suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

I love dev communication!!!!!!

[hexed hamlet]

i do wonder if im breaking some rule of this server by using spoiler talk as my calamity portfolio thing

[swift wharf]

nah

[crude geode]

Prolly not this one but dev itself? Maybe

[bright crag]

I leak stuff here sometimes, and in lore-disc

[strange panther]

ehh dont worry aboutit

[cobalt heath]

yeah back in the day commucation between devs and us was...nonexistant

[swift wharf]

transparency

[bright crag]

But it's usually my stuff

[wide river]

If you were breaking a rule you'd have been warned at this point

[hexed hamlet]

i like posting there so i get feedback and opnions and also i dont like keeping my stuff secret

[swift wharf]

back in the day indev communication was

[bright crag]

Same
I love discussing my stuff with you guys

[cobalt heath]

I am stoked for the new update mainly cus bird promised to show some of his consept art

[crude geode]

2019 and on really kickstarted dev communication for calamity tbh

[cobalt heath]

after it

[strange panther]

being secretive abt armor sprites seems so

ugh

like

[swift wharf]

🦈 boss

[wide river]

Bird art

[strange panther]

whats the point

[drowsy plank]

the dev communication in the past is that there was no dev communication

[crude geode]

Yes

[hexed hamlet]

well most armor sprites werent secretive in the old team either

[cobalt heath]

unless it was harassing dokuro

[swift wharf]

iban did show a lot of sets yeah

[hexed hamlet]

iban posted most of his stuff in cal art

[cobalt heath]

that was a thing

[bright crag]

Yeah, Iban did show a lot of stuff

[strange panther]

drool

[swift wharf]

even boss concepts

[strange panther]

leaking boss concepts is rad and cool

its CONCEPTS

[hollow ridge]

It's not really leaking

[strange panther]

only one of them will maybe make it

[swift wharf]

it's not leaking it's showing

[crude geode]

Has Iban mentioned any future projects or are they focusing on art for rn

[deft yew]

"leaking" is when something is shown that its owner does not intend to

[cobalt heath]

he was the lead art dev he wasn't leaking anything

[swift wharf]

uhhhhhhh

[wide river]

Reminds me of that screenshot from way back when (I think it was in #mod-announcements) that showed Thanatos' full length

That was cool

[cobalt heath]

cmt exploding after it was even better

[swift wharf]

i mean there's slr ig

which iban is a dev of

other than that idk

[strange panther]

so i can get a refeerence

when is “way back when” in this isntance

[cobalt heath]

what I miss the most is the almost finished cryogen sprite

w all the runes and stuff

[bright crag]

I miss a lot of Iban's concepts

They were pretty awesome

[cobalt heath]

don't we all

[wide river]

2 years ago, November 16

[cobalt heath]

btw who is the dev behind yharons new design?

[wide river]

At the latest

[cobalt heath]

I assumed it was metarex

[bright crag]

I think it's Nitro

[cobalt heath]

ah

[crude geode]

I think that counts as a major project

[cobalt heath]

starlight river?

wut iban is making that

[crude geode]

Being a dev for it yeah

[cobalt heath]

woah I didn't know that

[strange panther]

oh wait i remmebrr that mod

[crude geode]

It finally released a playable version

[strange panther]

it was just released the last time i engaged with this game at all

or like some boss thing was

[cobalt heath]

slr is huge tho I can't wait for it to get more content

stip lastly I would ask, are there plans for the p2 transition of yharon cus I again had a sugg idea for it

[hexed hamlet]

i wonder what is coming first

yharon resprite or yharim

[swift wharf]

lmao

[bright crag]

Not precise plans, but there was general agreement that it needs more spectacle

[strange panther]

id imagine yharim will have some attack thats like

the spirit of yharon

[hexed hamlet]

the spirit of yharon sound like a fandom boss

possibly not tho

[strange panther]

so if my completely made up head canon about a nonexistant hypothetica boss attack is true

uh

resprite

[hexed hamlet]

yharon is by the time we reach yharim

[wide river]

Vision of the Tyrant part 2

[strange panther]

yeah lol

[bright crag]

Tyrant Shield

[hollow ridge]

Yharim worm when

[bright crag]

Xeroc worm >>>>

[strange panther]

before the 1.4 port there was a worm boss mod

so tragic that true art has been lost to the sands of time

[bright crag]

I do understand your criticisms and complaints of our apparent negligence of things we decided to implement

[strange panther]

wait i have a question

before u apologize

r devs paid

[bright crag]

No

[strange panther]

cause if they arent its totallt justified

like its literally free time u choose to spend engaging

[bright crag]

Yeah, it's precisely that

[bright crag]

But we'll be working on those things if the porting allows, it's getting very annoying
I know I'm definitely doing my best to mediate discussions, organize plans and assist in their implementation
And I don't think the other devs are any different

[crude geode]

I think it’s understandable tbfh, considering how horrible porting has sounded from the pinned post in spoilers

[deft yew]

fab is paid by patreon and that's it afaik

in fact, it's his only income afaik

[livid coral]

Yeah it’s his only income

[strange panther]

well yeah i imagine this mod makes a lot of patreon money

[livid coral]

Well…

[strange panther]

relativeyl****

[livid coral]

With the increasing cost of living

It’s tough

[strange panther]

like for what it is

i meant

[livid coral]

But manageable but yeah

[strange panther]

DO NOT SCREENSHOT i love inflation!!!!

[livid coral]

He and I split income for the apartment so it’s easier

[cobalt heath]

so calamity is his full time job is what I am hearing?

also that sucks

[frosty trellis]

.... Why would we ever want to remove the health and damage boosts from rev?

Wouldn't that require a complete rebalance of everything?

Like, I'm pretty sure this should be flagged for large scale because All of the weapons, armor, and accessories, are balanced around Expert-Revengence, so yeah, seems kinda like a very easy way to break everything for no reason

[cobalt heath]

also yeah hard pass on the sugg

adrenaline would be way too busted w/o the health and defence boosts

[frosty trellis]

Literally

[strange panther]

just rebalance adrelinine

[cobalt heath]

why it's already fine?

[strange panther]

i dont reallt see the point theyre makinf

[golden tulip]

i do not understand
why remove the health and damage boosts?

[frosty trellis]

I've already proposed to a dev on how to rebalance it to make it more fair in the early game but keep it's late game power as it's horribly overpowered early already

[strange panther]

they arent saying “make revengeance the default mode”

[wide river]

Boy do I love just running from a boss for 20 seconds then deleting the boss's health bar from existence

[strange panther]

theyre saying

what

[frosty trellis]

30* byeah

[grim tusk]

Totally agree

[strange panther]

so just make revengeance “adrenaline off and on mode”

[golden tulip]

this suggestion does not explain why

[serene tendon]

That's cause Calamity says it already is

[strange panther]

yeah

thats what im lost on

like why

[grim tusk]

Yea they did not even consider this

[golden tulip]

it just keeps going on but without a point

[frosty trellis]

Calamity does not say it's the default mode

It's the "recommended cal experience"

That isn't forced on anyone

[strange panther]

i think any suggestion can have merit if the reason is good enough

[cobalt heath]

rev is like the most balanced thing about calamity

[serene tendon]

Revengeance Mode description: "The intended Calamity experience"

[strange panther]

so i rlly do want to hear where this come from

[frosty trellis]

A bunch of people play classic or just regular expert, like

It's not forced lol

[frosty trellis]

Yeah pretty much

[grim tusk]

Cal tester killtimes are longer than the vanilla ones due to several factors, such as rage and adrenaline

[deft yew]

i would love if cal was not so egregiously self-balanced but uhh yknow

[serene tendon]

I never said it was forced

[deft yew]

there are seven hundred and eight three weapons in the calamity mod
fun to rebalance!

[cobalt heath]

I mean yeah

it's bound to get shot down on dev voting anyways

[golden tulip]

about 5% are summoner weapons

[cobalt heath]

so its a waste to argue about this but

[golden tulip]

and 80 are melee

[cobalt heath]

it is very much intentional

[golden tulip]

@serene tendon hello please elaborate

[frosty trellis]

Yeah
Because
That's
What
All the armor and accessories and weapons
Are balanced around

And you get all the calamity boss AI

The boosts aren't pointless if the entire game is balanced around said boosts

And a new player struggling because of them? Have you ever tried to realize that cal was never supposed to be easy? If people want an easy mod just go play fucking Thorium

[swift wharf]

i dunno if that was elitism or gatekeeping

[cobalt heath]

both

[grim tusk]

And that 5% is made more of a pain in the butt due to how summoner fundamentally works. And we have not started with adding whips to the mix since they’re still bugged.

[swift wharf]

damn

go play another mod is truly the argument

[strange panther]

ok

[cobalt heath]

but I allow it, even tho its a bad argument

[strange panther]

not to disagre

but i struggled really hard with thorium at points

[cobalt heath]

cus I totally agree with the statement

[strange panther]

so if you could lay off for a second

taht would be great

[frosty trellis]

Thorium is way easier than cal tbf

[swift wharf]

the way of thought is correct the argument just sucks

[golden tulip]

STILL? it has been over a year since 1.4 tml and they are still bugged?

[frosty trellis]

Mainly because it is Not Balanced Whatsoever byeah

[cobalt heath]

thorium is intented to be vanilla+

[grim tusk]

Some now work but the most problematic ones dont

[fervent orbit]

vanilla+ and somehow breaks balance further

[golden tulip]

how is calamity whips mod doing it then

[glass arch]

thats what happens when you add more vanilla to vanilla

[grim tusk]

Rev is a difficulty above vanilla’s standards after all

[fervent orbit]

by not trying to revamp the system and using the old/vanilla system

[grim tusk]

Imo:
Complete vanilla expert first before even trying mods

[glass arch]

or do what i did and only finish classic and then ball into rev

[grim tusk]

Cuz they are adding new things, adding whips is shrimple (thanks ExampleMod)

Fixing the vanilla whips with IL edits is not

[frosty trellis]

Cal is not meant to be easy

They add difficulty modes because it adds difficulty

Adding stats to bosses for a new difficulty mode is literally what Vanilla does. Does that mean that Expert should have the same stats as Classic just with the Expert AI just because "new players won't be prepared for that?" No, that's stupid. It's a difficulty mode, any changes to make it harder is absolutely warranted and increasing the amount of damage shit deals and health everything has is apart of that, just cannot be the sole focus, which with cal's rev and vanilla's expert, both change a lot of AI's as well, so yeah

[golden tulip]

you are trying to "fix" vanilla whips?

[glass arch]

changing tag to be multiplicative instead of additive

[fervent orbit]

so imagine ichor

now put that on an entire class throughout the entire game

[grim tusk]

Yes, why would we not overhaul em when they are broken as hell atm

[fervent orbit]

thats vanilla whips

[serene tendon]

I didn't say Cal was supposed to be easy, I said the intended beginner difficulty shouldn't be extremely hard for new Calamity players. Something like a medium mode.

[glass arch]

its

not

[frosty trellis]

It's not

[glass arch]

extremely hard

[grim tusk]

Even with tag removed, Kaleidoscope’s crit is just fucking busted

[fervent orbit]

an entire class that heavily benefits from even a 5 base damage increase

[frosty trellis]

You're overblowing this to an extremity

Base cal is not extreme difficulty

I don't even know where you got that from at all

[glass arch]

rev is not an equivalent to eternity mode

[fervent orbit]

expert rev is a step up to expert, as intended

its not a giant jump

[golden tulip]

i wonder what problems the 6 new 1.4.5 whips will introduce for mods, even though i am looking forward to them

[fervent orbit]

[grim tusk]

If you want the most bullshit difficulty go try Infernum + Armaggedon + Defiled + Fargo’s Hyper mode

[frosty trellis]

Isn't IAD alone literally impossible?

Because of Providence?

[grim tusk]

Yes

[fervent orbit]

please do not remind me because i know that will be just hell

[wide river]

Moon Lord whip casually being more broken than Kaleidoscope (probably)

[swift wharf]

people who want to wanna get into rev should learn the dificulty

[glass arch]

cant you hook arena her

[strange panther]

i already played through revengeance + master

no thank u

[golden tulip]

well it is post game so understandable

[grim tusk]

Creative shock

[swift wharf]

the harder than expert difficulty should feel harder than expert

[glass arch]

or well just hook to walls

[deft yew]

and guards

and technically it is possible because 1) hooks 2) rope coils work in the garden

[wide river]

Vanilla post-game stuff is the bane of modded balancing
See Zenith being moved to post-Yharon because it was as strong as Auric-tier stuff and Terraprisma being viable on Yharon or some garbage before it was nerfed

[serene tendon]

Not saying they shouldn't, just saying that WoF shouldn't take 30 tries on a cal player's first playthrough

[glass arch]

it

really doesnt

[grim tusk]

Not only viable on Yharon, but decimated it

[wide river]

Good god

[glass arch]

even with my first ever rev playthrough where i had only beaten classic i beat wof in 1 or 2 tries

[golden tulip]

yea its a double edged sword for me
i dont really care because relogic shouldnt balance with mods in mind, but yknow, for us modded players and devs it does suck

[glass arch]

rev wof isnt exactly an extremely difficult fight

[serene tendon]

Maybe it was a bad example

[fervent orbit]

rev wof is walk backwards and jump sometimes

[serene tendon]

Yeah, definitely

[grim tusk]

Lower difficulties exist to play. Furthermore, why do people feel like they have to kill a boss in 5 tries?

[serene tendon]

There's a wide range between 5 and 30

[grim tusk]

30 would still be low for later bosses

[golden tulip]

yea what youre saying doesnt make sense. if a first time player is struggling they should lower the difficulty

[glass arch]

summons are non consumable for a reason and voodoo demon spawns are boosted pre hardmode for a reason

[grim tusk]

I’ve seen people completely mald on PBG before even hitting 20 tries

[serene tendon]

But then they don't get the new mechanics or the boss improvements

[tired haven]

i mald on pbg after 3 tries each pt

[drowsy plank]

weird fucking sugg tbqh

[strange panther]

1st tried calamity cause im just so good

[wide river]

Non-consumable summons my beloathed
(The economy collapsed after this)

[strange panther]

(i was playing with 2 other people)

[glass arch]

this is a horrible argument

[golden tulip]

those mechanics make the game harder and thus should be reserved for experienced players

[serene tendon]

Well Multiplayer breaks every boss fight, so that isn't surprising

[strange panther]

i have never played calamity fully through solo

[glass arch]

the boss improvements are there to make the bosses harder
the new mechanics are there to balance the scales a bit more

this isnt a master mode situation where the only changes are hp and damage

plus what mpg has said before this would require LITERALLY EVERYTHING to be rebalanced

[serene tendon]

Ok, so people have brought up the very good point that Adrenaline would destroy the game without the HP increases.

[drowsy plank]

adrenaline destroys the game even with them

[serene tendon]

The PHM stage. Without them it'd destroy HM too

[strange panther]

adrenaline is a little strong

isnt it like a

300% increase

[marble moat]

adrenaline does nothing (i keep getting hit and have not used it once)

[strange panther]

or some crazy number

[golden tulip]

i have suggested to nerf adrenaline before but they wouldnt take me seriously because of my reputation as a nohitter

[glass arch]

reducing the post moon lord curve in itself was a pretty massive undertaking, getting rid of hp increases would be that times at minimum 3

[fervent orbit]

mhm

[marble moat]

adren is kinda goofy i wish it was more defensive and less offensive, like maybe you get dr even if it isnt fully charged at the cost of less damage when you click it

[deft yew]

i wish the legacy roles here would die tbh

WAIT TRUE

make adren defensive

bc rage is offensive

[drowsy plank]

plus it is also dumb and pointless

[golden sonnet]

it already is

50% DR when

[drowsy plank]

i think he meant like
pure

[glass arch]

barely

[golden tulip]

no i am going to be completely honest i did it for the roles because i thought they look cool

[drowsy plank]

me when draedon heart by default

[marble moat]

is it a good idea to make a "rebalance adren" sugg

[fervent orbit]

!wiki draedons heart

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Draedon's_Heart
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page draedons heart for a direct link or !wiki search draedons heart for a list of all hits.

[marble moat]

ah

right

[serene tendon]

I mean, the player's status IS something that should be taken into account, but you're definitely in the right here, at least in PHM

[marble moat]

mr. armstrong

[glass arch]

you have one hit of less damage taken that takes 30 seconds of not getting hit to charge up

[marble moat]

either way i'd like it if adren wasn't fully damage oriented

like you get slight dr increasing based on how charged the meter is

[deft yew]

if you keep adren as it is but without the damage, it essentially becomes old bloodflare core

[marble moat]

i mean keep the damage just lower it a lil no?

[deft yew]

get hit slightly too often and it does nothing
get hit slightly rarely enough and you Cannot Die

[serene tendon]

Yeah, definitely. I think as well that it should be entirely survivability-based, if only so it can at least pretend to make sense.

[drowsy plank]

i am pretty sure this is
already how it works

[marble moat]

is it +200% or +100%

[marble moat]

wajt really

[drowsy plank]

i think??

[glass arch]

no

[deft yew]

it's 200, upgrades add 15

[drowsy plank]

or at the very least someone suggested something like this before

[serene tendon]

No

[glass arch]

the dr only applies at full charge

[serene tendon]

It has been suggested before, and should be in the game, but it isn't

[marble moat]

i like the idea of having adren kick in after 10 seconds of not being hit and charging up to 20 seconds after that

giving some dr as it charges

like only mkaing it charge after you start dodging

instead of just having a permanent dr steroid

then at 30 seconds you get the current dr and can proc it for like +100% damage or smth

numbers can be tweaked

[serene tendon]

What if you have to activate it, at which point you get DR equal to the charge for 5 seconds or something

[marble moat]

but thats an idea

[deft yew]

make adren scale its DR up as it charges, remove the ability to burn it, bam you have a decent defense mechanic
but again old BFC issue

[marble moat]

draedon's heart kinda does defensive bar already

but having it built into the damage bar is different

ig

[serene tendon]

It's also only available right before the final boss

[marble moat]

i mean burning your dr for damage sounds fun

[deft yew]

dheart is neat and all but guess how often you use dheart

ONE boss

[marble moat]

nah i use it for like 40

(boss rush)

nah i get it tho

[serene tendon]

And none if you're a no-hitter

[deft yew]

1 total because they all die in 1/40th of the average killtime

[marble moat]

true

[serene tendon]

True

[marble moat]

what about like

[deft yew]

(scal and her 1:15 worth of bullet hell carry half that number)

[serene tendon]

lol

[marble moat]

making adren charge like this with building dr, but when you proc it you gain +150% and lose 10-25% dr

so you're taking more damage when you proc it but less when you charge it

[serene tendon]

Why does it need to do damage at all? Rage already exists

[marble moat]

because there should be a reward for charging it all the way

[serene tendon]

Adren has been stealing its thunder from the dawn of time

[serene tendon]

The reward is more DR

[marble moat]

nah

you lose it in one hit anyways

adren is supposed to be

skill rewarding no?

[oblique geyser]

Adrenaline is fine as is

[marble moat]

whiel rage is a passive increase

[oblique geyser]

Rewarding high skill with very high damage increase

[marble moat]

yeah

i like the idea of making it more dynamic but keeping the core mechanic

but idk

i dont charge it anyways (i have a skill issue)

[hollow shell]

wack

[drowsy plank]

does auric even actually have frost's effects?

also didnt we already do this or am i just stupid

[wide river]

Lemme load up the game for absolute confirmation, but wiki says it's still there

[drowsy plank]

no i mean like

changelogs

next update

but also yeah im suprised that auric actually has the effects because it is so

nothing

[golden sonnet]

Remove frost barrier entirely

Kill.

[deft yew]

you do still need it

and it gives the freeze effect but not the chilled immunity

[wide river]

It appears it has been mentioned in two changelogs ever
For versions 1.2.3.001 and 2.0.1.001

Neither of which mention removing it from Auric Tesla

[drowsy plank]

sad!

[wide river]

From a quick search of #suggestions-voting, looks like there's been two attempts to rework Frost Barrier, two attempts to remove it entirely, two attempts to make it easier to get, and two attempts to remove it from Auric Tesla (along with the other accessories)
I think by just asking for Frost Barrier to be removed, it'll have a higher chance of passing (plus the other attempts were from when Psychotic Amulet was still a thing)

[swift wharf]

aquatic heart is a better barrier btw

[wide river]

Ture

[swift wharf]

ughguh frost barrier is kinda cool tho too bad it's useless

[undone holly]

I’d say if it were to get either reworked it could be a cool concept

I used it for a while pre boss but never saw it do anything at all

[swift wharf]

it could very much be an indirect upgrade to the clam pearl

[eager bobcat]

I agree with the frost barrier, no comments

[tropic yoke]

Does anyone else's computer just... die during the DoG fight when it does laser telegraphs?

A "Make the DoG laser telegraphs less laggy" suggestion sounds kind of weird but I had to go all the way down from death to expert just to have a fair shot because the fight was just so damn laggy

[eager bobcat]

Could try messing with the mod configs and your graphics settings, plus putting the game in Fullscreen vs borderless

[golden sonnet]

changelogs already do this exact thing for next update

[fervent orbit]

raesh we are playing amogus get off calmain

[golden sonnet]

you are too smh

[glass arch]

we're all dead it doesnt matter

[tropic yoke]

Oh hell teah

[hybrid steeple]

@wide river erm. acktyually its "for no apparent reason", if it was for some apparent reason then the reason would be apparent and thus the suggestion would be unnecessary 🤓

[wide river]

Oh for God's sake

[ripe owl]

@silver flax Specific Item Suggestion, plus your reasoning is nothing but "it would be cool"

[glass arch]

@errant cradle can you flag #suggestions-posting message this pls

[eternal escarp]

calamity adds does add some bait btw

but yeah that is pretty much reasonless

[stable kiln]

ants

[grave zinc]

@fleet igloo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Play the intro of Forbidden Lullaby in between Anahita leaving and Leviathan spawning, similarly to DoG’s phase transition]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[In the Anahita & Leviathan Fight, Make Killing Leviathan First Continue To Use The Leviathan's Theme]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

Oh right I completely forgot about this suggestion, it also didn't got enough vote

[distant gyro]

live sounds

[swift wharf]

no way

mana star

upgrade thing

[sleek turret]

live hud reaction

(it's coolio)

[distant gyro]

the most efficient showcase ever

[swift wharf]

Is the health bar new too

[distant gyro]

has the vanilla boss and player health bar

[swift wharf]

the blue thing

[cobalt pewter]

oh did cal actually use shield hp on other things now

[tired haven]

the blue thing is vanilla way to show shields

[cobalt pewter]

because the only instance those are used is on pillars

[swift wharf]

oh

neat

[cobalt pewter]

....Rod of Discord has a teleport button?

[small timber]

what input even conflict with teleport key

like, recalling?

or using a weapon that get you stucked like The Wand I guess? even that I don't remember them blocking normality relocator

[narrow sandal]

doing literally anything when you use the rod of discord hotkey causes it to not teleport you

and i mean LITERALLY ANYTHING

[small timber]

that is because rod of discord dont have a hotkey

normality relocator has

[cobalt pewter]

did you use any external mods to get rod button

[small timber]

rod of discord "hotkey" is literally switching to the item, so it is subjected to the usual "switch item input delay" if some item have long usetime, it is normal

[cobalt pewter]

because yeah it's not supposed to have that

[swift wharf]

fargo has a hotkey

might be that

[narrow sandal]

thats true i forgot

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[narrow sandal]

its that, my apologies

ill delete it

[swift wharf]

Happens

[narrow sandal]

yea

i knew there was one for the normality relocator in cal so i mustve thought there was one for the RoD too

[sand marlin]

Welp I guess I will be using a music box instead

Just doesn't look necessary to me

[ripe owl]

BASED

[drowsy plank]

that would kind of remove the point of normality relocator

[ashen warren]

you do get fast fall as well, which can be useful in some situations

[dense ferry]

GOOD

[swift wharf]

secretly make NR not work I'll pay you

[drowsy plank]

you can also do that by holding S or having a mount

[sand marlin]

NR increases max fall speed + it stacks

[drowsy plank]

huh

didnt know it stacked

[sand marlin]

That's what I remember from using slime mount and NR together on Yharon

[swift wharf]

make it give you fall damage

[golden sonnet]

I think NR is fine as is, a longer cooldown alternative to RoD

[dense ferry]

Yeah it's fine currently

[swift wharf]

20$

[toxic basalt]

plus it has an even longer cooldown during boss fights

as it stands, it fits perfectly as a sidegrade

[silver flax]

ok my bad👍

[golden tulip]

wasnt this already a thing? i swear this was already a thing

[cobalt pewter]

pay at least 20 times as much as the original dono

so 1000 bucks

💯

[swift wharf]

4.8k R$

The offer is still up.

[fleet igloo]

YOOO IT BECAME REAL

Was surprised about the sudden ping from nowhere, but better late than never

[crude geode]

The things “straight” people will do for 20$

[sand marlin]

❓

[swift wharf]

Like pasta, straight until the temperature rises

[deft yew]

[golden sonnet]

👁️👄👁️

[swift wharf]

@pulsar bronze @sour aurora no joke suggestions thanks

[worldly sparrow]

pizza rolls will not be added to calamity

[pulsar bronze]

well i was being serious when i said i wanted pizza rolls in calamity.

[swift wharf]

k

[crude geode]

Follow up to any meme sugg “I was being serious tho”

[cold cosmos]

i think "lol lmao" is a better response personally

[grim tusk]

I think I should start replying joke suggs with jokes, like I did for the Weezer one

I feel that more I’ve been here the sassier I’ve gotten

[north oracle]

you should do that

[golden sonnet]

What the Cal discord does to a mf

[crude geode]

Fr

[golden sonnet]

You can only handle so much of people refusing to read in 6 different channels

[crude geode]

“We cannot reference pizza bites due to a lawsuit from Totino’s Pizza Rolls that is only held back by a contract saying we do not have any items in game referencing it’s company products”

[worldly sparrow]

i swear to god the next time someone asks a question about infernum in cmt

[crude geode]

Imagine going into cmt

[worldly sparrow]

whats worse is people going into #1042197406776827914 out there saying that an above average weapon is underpowered (its because they dont use it properly)

[novel belfry]

speaking of infernum, i'm finally getting around to fighting infernum bosses on-tier
i've only started it in very early hardmode, but I am enjoying these higher quality fights

[crude geode]

[golden sonnet]

#help-advice-read-pins users asking for gear loadouts or anything In the pins (it's in the fucking name)
Every channel except #calamity-addon-talk asking about add-ons:
Every channel using fandom wiki:
#1052323733961977947 users not following formatting or reporting a known issue (literally the fucking name, read the pins)

[novel belfry]

change it to "Read-pins-help-advice"

[worldly sparrow]

#suggestions-posting users using bad formatting and with the reasoning "it would be cool"

[novel belfry]

gets the point across

[golden sonnet]

yes

[worldly sparrow]

new people in #lore-discussion try not to ask about gods challenge (impossible)

people in #multiplayer-looking-to-play unironically wanting 10 people to sign up for a legendary ftw master death infernum eternity masochist copper shortsword only playthrough

[small timber]

and #suggestions-discussion being on topic

[crude geode]

Imagine being part of the problem

Couldn’t be me

[north oracle]

[worldly sparrow]

we always get off topic lmao

oh yeah and then theres #1042197406776827914 folks as someone calls a perfectly balanced weapon underpowered (the killtimes show its just as the devs intended)

[north oracle]

but if it's not op it's underpowered

[golden sonnet]

mfw when the select group of SSSSS tier weapons existing means they need to be nerfed, and not that every other weapon is bad

[lost tusk]

copper short sword is too OP please nerf

[worldly sparrow]

1,000,000th person claiming contagion is broken (THEY KNOW)

[small timber]

just make death mode malice mode and then balance the game around it

people will love it
50% movement speed per accessories and balloons with 5 jumps

[worldly sparrow]

buff draedons heart, seperate adren from nanobots

[north oracle]

speaking of bug-reports

[golden sonnet]

why must you make me aware of such things

[halcyon zealot]

I gave up on that channel

woe is shade to bear such pain and suffering

[wide river]

It's only really painful when people just refuse to follow the instructions even after being told about it
It's even worse when people unfollow their own bug reports immediately

[ripe owl]

Imagine if someone posts a very stupid suggestion, you ping them to address than, and instead of a normal answer you get the Biden Blast image

[north oracle]

i'm doing this

[halcyon zealot]

[gritty acorn]

the blue thing

[dense sable]

the suggestion

[fossil lagoon]

SHPC m2 is kinda trash

[drowsy plank]

yes SHPC is currently influenced by the pierce bug, hopefully it should be addressed next update

[frosty trellis]

M2 is fine what

M1 pierce bug makes it trash on worms but other than that it's great

M1 is especially comedy in post Calclone abyss

[wide river]

I bet they tested it on dummies

[buoyant idol]

I honestly thought the M2 wasn't that good outside of really fast targets like The Twins, but I wasn't a big fan of it so I'm likely biased.

[frosty trellis]

M2 has always been the "less skill needed but still strong" version of it all

[buoyant idol]

Less skill? I feel like the bombs are easier to use.

[frosty trellis]

Not necessarily

Especially on fast moving targets like Twins, p2 plantera or Calclone

From my experience

Since keeping them in the explosions is also something you want to do to maximize damage

While m2 is just point and shoot and it's very high velocity

[buoyant idol]

Fair, I guess my aiming isn’t too good for it so I take a moment to start getting hits.

[grave zinc]

@oblique geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove/Retheme the Terra Set]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cosmic karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Nebulous Core]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@high nest - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Perforator and Hivemind Surface Enrage]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[high nest]

Eyyyy

[wide river]

Glad to see that the Terra set one didn't get killed from conflicting votes

[timber temple]

[drowsy plank]

disappointed thomas's didn't pass tbh but eh

this is still good

[wide river]

It was too wide of a scope, and was requesting the same thing as another suggestion
I get that it might've been better to pass, but it wouldn't have had good chances in dev voting, in my opinion

[drowsy plank]

fair

[cobalt pewter]

this is why thomas fell behind times

the real way to implement suggs like that is to have connections

(but yeah the sugg is too wide to have a solid amount of votes)

[deft yew]

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[swift wharf]

denied

[high nest]

see i just made a suggestion, ignored the nuance of the issue i addressed, and am letting dev voting sort that out

real talk mine probably only passed cause of the meme line it opened with

[crude geode]

@jaunty bane wait until the update actually comes out to suggest this

[swift wharf]

I think you can still suggest that but just not mention the update

[jaunty bane]

Yea that makes sense, never sent a suggestion through before

[crude geode]

Technically if you actually make a full sugg yeah it should be valid

[swift wharf]

check the pins so you send one with the valid formatting btw

[jaunty bane]

👍

[stable kiln]

i was under the assumption that drew's wings are dropped from the bag ngl

[blazing kettle]

how is this not 🗜️?

[wide river]

It has a line break somewhere
I think the bot only checks for that

[blazing kettle]

oh

[wide river]

My current concern is that the reasoning feels weak at the moment
Sure, it says why it should be changed, but it doesn't make me think that it should just by saying what is essentially "This is how it should be but it's not"

[jaunty bane]

I agree with that comment, I wasn't really sure of a good line of reasoning, other than that it just makes sense

My original (incorrectly formatted suggestion), has this playing off of changelog item 171, where a similar change is implemented for Providence with the wings/aegis. This would help increase parity between the two bosses and these drops

[wide river]

You could argue that because of the fact that it only drops one Drew's Wings per kill, it'd be incredibly tedious for every subsequent refight to only get one, especially when there are more than two players
Drew's Wings could also be moved to the Treasure Bag in Expert Mode, since it doesn't appear to be currently (maybe this is wrong, idk)
Alternatively, if you feel that changelog is necessary for the reasoning, you could wait until after the port to suggest it

[jaunty bane]

Could wording along the lines of "To increase the parity with the planned change with Providence's Wings/Aegis" work?

Or at least be more likely to be accepted

[swift wharf]

You could argue that because of the fact that it only drops one Drew's Wings per kill, it'd be incredibly tedious for every subsequent refight to only get one, especially when there are more than two players
I think you could add this to it

And if it doesn't get enough votes, post it again after the port/update

[wide river]

Suggestions aren't supposed to reference future changes at all, even if they're in the next update
Think of a suggestion as asking for what you'd want in the current version, disregarding updates for a moment

[jaunty bane]

Yea that makes sense

Edit 1 made to suggestion

[swift wharf]

looks good

[drowsy plank]

that grammar is horrid but i get what they're saying

i think tmod doesnt have support for it yet tho?

[wide river]

If it's requesting that some NPCs like the Calamity biomes, then yeah I don't think tModLoader fully supports happiness yet

[grim tusk]

@tidal epoch ^

Also like why the fuck would anyone like these biomes

[tidal epoch]

???

IDK

quick transport???

[grim tusk]

We got:
Infected Wasteland
Radiated Wasteland
Brimstone Wasteland

The exception:
Sunken Sea

[grim tusk]

And there’s pylons for these already

[tidal epoch]

I mean... the wizard can like the ridiculous amount of star energy, Amidas can like the stones and that his home survived even if it got extra salt, maybe the tax old man can like hell city and the angler can like the acid fish

[grim tusk]

And before Pylons we had teleporters, Astral Arcanum, Momentum Capacitor, Relic of Deliverance, minecrarts

[tidal epoch]

bc idk, tasty?

[grim tusk]

Used to have

Closed

[tidal epoch]

yeah, they finished development

[grim tusk]

And people were toxic as shit so locked

[tidal epoch]

so, the mods closed, no more bugfixed

[grim tusk]

Well this aint the place for it

Not even #1052323733961977947

[bright crag]

To be fair some of those wastelands can be profitable

[grim tusk]

So Bandit on Crags due to how much many she can loot?

[tidal epoch]

True, star powder can give wizards unlimited stars

the merchant can love that

[bright crag]

We probably should make NPCs interact with Cal biomes more, and it was a topic of discussion in dev not too long ago

[tidal epoch]

and the wizard is magic, so maybe he can love the starlight zone

[grim tusk]

Thing is hallow already is magic and rainbows, and he loves it already

Altho there could be a likes system for em, question would be how

[tidal epoch]

I mean, the magicians use the arcane on the stars, no?

maybe the ice wizard can also love an astral thundra :l

[wide river]

I remember Cei bringing up the idea a while back in #lore-discussion about what NPCs might like Calamity biomes
Making the NPCs actually acknowledge the world would be good though

[bright crag]

Agreed

[sand marlin]

Doesn't Drew's drop from bag

Yeah Idk what that's about

[sand marlin]

^

[small timber]

@cobalt heath I think only keep the "increase drop chance" part and it will be fine

chances of them implementing a "rare drop swap" is like nearly none

the main reason they are "rare drop" is just because they are previously malice mode drop, but in essence they pretty much do not really have a reason to be stronger than other weapons balance-wise (other than the fact that they havent' been tuned down)

[crude geode]

@jaunty bane it drops from the treasure bag already

Or someone who can check the code

[cobalt pewter]

this sounds like a mutant thing

[sand marlin]

I literally went ahead and tried it earlier

It drops from treasure bag

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[north oracle]

so who do we ping to get this flagged

[sand marlin]

Can mods do it

[north oracle]

yeh

i usually ping cog but he's dead rn

[sand marlin]

@elder mist hi can you flag this #suggestions-posting message it's already a thing

/Drew's drops from bag already

[swift wharf]

trolled

also yeah although this sounds like a mutant thing

that is an interesting way to fix shitty rng

[sand marlin]

EcIipse jumpscare

[cobalt heath]

No cus my full point is to remove the rng around these, while keeping them powerfull

I think them as like you dedicated effort into these bosses

[small timber]

well then they are gonna stay rare, as simple as it is

[cobalt heath]

yep and thus I wanted more than less than 10% odds for the statues

Cus with my sugg, its guaranteed 5%

prolly will get shot down at dev voting

but it's fine

[grim tusk]

are required gear
What

[grim tusk]

It will :)

[grim tusk]

You know that the relic always drops on revengeance

So thats literally false

You’re killing em some times instead of more

So you’re literally reducing the effort

[cobalt heath]

Thats... Literally my point

My goal is to guarantee the item after you do double the odds

[grim tusk]

Anyways
Instead of Crystal, Aetherflux exists
And Cosmic Discharge is known to be quite bad, and Excelsus and that true melee sword exist

[grim tusk]

Fair point

[cobalt heath]

Thats what the full sugg is about idk what u arguing w

[grim tusk]

These items are not mandatory to play the game unlike you argue

[cobalt heath]

I will fix that

[swift wharf]

This is a neat idea to think about

And it makes sense

It's kind of those pity rng systems

Probably doesn't fit in cal tho

[cobalt pewter]

calamity gacha

[grim tusk]

Yea last time we tried a way to get guaranteed legendaries based on a suggestion…
It was not good

[cobalt pewter]

calamity impact

fuck you

[cobalt pewter]

please do not remind me.

[north oracle]

Uhmmmm shade cosmic discharge has a lower kt than GSoB

[grim tusk]

Wait does it?

[small timber]

so what you mean is, we should make it so rare drops are 1% and we make them 5% stronger than average weapon on tier

[north oracle]

Yeah lol

With aggressive play it’s a little better

[small timber]

cosmic discharge is crack on yharon but only yharon

and then it cant hit bosses

[north oracle]

And Thanatos

After that, yeah

[small timber]

ye thanatos I guess though dragon rage probably outclass it at some purpose

[north oracle]

(Although drage exists for thana)

It’s basically unusable for other bosses, but it’s slightly faster on yharon than blah

[cobalt heath]

Cant you just make a crafting recipe?

[buoyant idol]

Terraria is a cruel game, sometimes you don’t get exactly what you want. I don’t think making it any easier would bode well with the devs since the rng forces you to try new things.

[sand marlin]

Try new things? Killing bosses in less than one second and being unable to spawn more than one at a time is the best you're getting with just calamity. There is no finding new things with that

I remember when Yharim's Crystal was 1% drop and my friend quite literally went overodds and never got it so he cheated it in later because bruh

[buoyant idol]

Halibut 1/1000000 exists too

It used to at least

[small timber]

I think we need a new system for rare weapon, hear we out

basically, every single boss drops have a 0.01% chance to drop as a "rare" variant
like for example crabulon drop mycoroot at their usual chance, and that drop have a 0.01% chance to roll rare

and a rare version have 5% more damage
and we do this for every single boss drop in the game and potentially expand it to normal enemy drops
it is a perfect plan I swear

[buoyant idol]

This will cause absolutely no issues

[cobalt pewter]

why try new things when 80% of weapons in the game are the exact same thing (broadswords)

Calamity deviated from Terraria enough in terms of gameplay loop elements

"try new things" makes sense on games like Dead Cells where most weapons are distinct from each other, and there's a handful of "default" weapons

but on Terraria it barely matters because:

1. as said earlier, most things in Terraria by class are the same, and
2. the class system basically gets rid of a lot of choices in the first place

[distant gyro]

it is up to the player's decision anyway

[sand umbra]

the real way to get suggs implemented is to implement them yourself in a different mod

byeah, didn't really figure my initial pitch would pass. still a bit rusty with the actual wordin' of suggs

and perhaps the re-evaluation of 3 whole-ass sets was. a bit much for my first sugg back after an incredibly long absence from suggestion land

[deft yew]

I remember getting at least 600k DPS with adren on Infernum Thanatos

[oblique geyser]

Nanogun trolling

[worldly sparrow]

❗ ❗ ❗ ❗ 🗜️ 🗜️ 🗜️

moment

[wide river]

Ohh boy where do I even start
@proud nimbus Your suggestion has absolutely no reasoning present. As such, it stands no chance of passing through here
You also need proper formatting, as improper formatting also prevents suggestions from passing to voting
Nadir is also being moved to Auric tier after the port (allegedly), so there'd be very little room for an upgrade, even if this did pass

[proud nimbus]

you're right that was a stupid suggestion to make based on just personal opinions sorry

[hollow ridge]

Possibly the hardest screenshot of 2023

Yeah no that wouldn't work anyway

Cus it's moving up a tier (?)

[wide river]

Yes, it will be moving a tier
A suggestion passed requesting it to be moved to Auric tier for consistency with the Zenith, since Nadir and Zenith are antonyms of each other
Just recently, it was revealed that it will be in the next update

[frosty trellis]

It's already been suggested to be moved up to Auric anyways

[neat linden]

2018 suggestions in a nutshell

[ashen warren]

average calamity suggestion

[small timber]

"Make Crystal Assassin Armor Crafted From Ninja Armor + Sparkle Slime Balloon"

'so that ninja armor can finally be useful'

[frosty trellis]

[deft yew]

give ninja armor a dash

[sleek turret]

this is a very Ture suggestion

very good

[grim tusk]

100% agree

Fuck getting tiny swords

Or broken staves

At least rogue doesnt have to deal with reforges

Inferno is vanilla so we cant do nothing about it

For tesla sure

[eternal escarp]

fargo mutants has this aswell

can just use that mod

[drowsy plank]

are you referring to the opacity thing or the starter bag thing

[eternal escarp]

the opacity thing

[drowsy plank]

huh

never knew that

[sleek turret]

yeah it's a config slider

[eternal escarp]

im prty sure its just part of the proj opacity

so ye

[sleek turret]

it also works for summons too

[eternal escarp]

ye

its super handy

also works for mp for the most part

another fargo w

[lapis gyro]

what do the reactions mean in #suggestions-posting

i know❗means a problem with the suggestion, but others are unclear

nevermind its in the pins

[ashen warren]

[golden sonnet]

Rare footage of a Cal user reading the pins

[atomic shell]

canon event disrupted

[novel belfry]

FINALLY, someone read the pins

[lean peak]

PLEASE MORE WHIPS i been playing and i dont think that a kaleidoscope will be enough to beat sCal

[drowsy plank]

we need to balance them first but also

kalei is more than enough for scal

[wide river]

Calamity will eventually add more whips though, and vanilla is also adding more in 1.4.5

[novel belfry]

i mean, its taken so long to balance out the whips

it surely, SURELY can't be that difficult?

[wide river]

Oh,
It is

[novel belfry]

i need a primer on why

cause i cant seem to grasp why it is taking this long

[frosty trellis]

(Bold of you to assume the dev team has had the time for that)

(Porting hell)

[novel belfry]

i mean, obviously

[frosty trellis]

(And deleting half of the broken melee shit to exist off the planet)

But yes whips are horrible and beyond overpowered

Snapthorn is genuinely good on WoF and that shit is preboss

Kaleidescope crits fuck EVERYTHING

[wide river]

Disregarding porting for a moment, part of the reason why whips are so obnoxiously hard to balance is because they need to be not powerful enough to overshadow summons, but not weak enough that they're unusable

Which is an incredibly specific point

[glass arch]

kaleido crits either fuck everything or get fucked by everything

(this is in fact a reference to the fact that kaleido crits dont work with starbuster core and upgrades)

[deft yew]

forget deleting half the broken melee stuff, delete half the melee stuff in general

[cobalt heath]

@grim tusk did the changes

[tired haven]

I think 1.1x dps multiplier being called that, is a mild overreaction

(now, with everything else that whip would provide, it gets dubious indeed. but crit is a small part)

[crude geode]

MPG is a balance nerd they overreact naturally

[tired haven]

You'd imagine the reaction would be well balanced

[crude geode]

[novel belfry]

honestly, why does Kaledioscope HAVE to have crits?

just replace it with a cool effect

or somethin'

[small timber]

replace it with a new cool effect like enemy take 10% more damage from all summon sources

[crude geode]

[tired haven]

I would rather make it "on a summon hit, there is a 10% chance a beam of rainbow light will strike the foe for 100% of hit's damage"

[small timber]

0.1% chance for your summon to summon a traitorous demon that deal 10000% of hit's damage

[halcyon zealot]

[frosty trellis]

#BringBackMyBoiUnnerfedTraitorous

[glass arch]

yknow

you can always make a mod that changes the damage of traitorous monster back to 156k

[frosty trellis]

It's 165k base you swine

[glass arch]

lets just say it was a typo

lets go with that answer yeah

[sand marlin]

You can't assign a combined hotkey anyway I think

[worldly sparrow]

^
yeah, instead set up a macro to press the normal input and bind that to whatever u want it to be

[hollow shell]

@karmic nexus To be clear, you do know that Calamity allows you to change the double-tap dash into a keybind-press dash, correct?

I can't tell if you're asking for the thing that's already in the game,
or if you're specifically asking for the capability to hold a button and press a key to dash instead of just hitting a key

[karmic nexus]

@hollow shell Second suggest is correct

[crude geode]

that should be specified then

and you'd need good reason for why it should be implemented, since keybind dash is already pretty convenient

[north oracle]

So to me it seems like this would be used the exact same way as a keybind; moving normally then tapping the hotkey to dash

[karmic nexus]

@north oracle Yep, that's what i asked.

[north oracle]

Yeah

So that’s what the keybind, that cal already has, does

[karmic nexus]

@north oracle I checked in calamity controls and it is. I just dont seen that thing before, thanks.

[north oracle]

Alg

[hollow ridge]

Uh I thought u couldn't sugg about subclasses no?

Not like I disagree with the sugg

Cus yoyos 💀

[north oracle]

You can’t suggest “add ___ subclass weapon to make the pt possible”

[small timber]

you cant suggest subclass for the sake of making a subclass pt possible

[north oracle]

You can suggest “make these weapons usable”

[small timber]

yeah that

or "make this subclass more polish"

[halcyon zealot]

short range + agile or long range + not agile might be a cool balance to strike

[small timber]

the reality is that yoyo need both to be functional, short range is literally unusable and not agile just mean it cant be use on quick target

if they want to do that dynamic they need to massively buff all yoyo damage to make them all basically sulphurous grabber in power on tier (which of course will not happen), at least for the short range ones

[halcyon zealot]

I'm assuming not agile/agile is not necessarily binary, it can be adjusted on a spectrum
I would agree that the nonagile yoyos need to have a buff overall (damage or agility)

[halcyon zealot]

I believe this assumes that agility is binary (which it currently seems to be in Cal)

[small timber]

generally it is the short range ones that are unusable due to the nature of yoyos only having damage uptime on screen; non agile geenrally is just if feels really bad to use but for the most part they will still be usable

luckily as of currently almost all yoyos have long range (for bosses on tier), just the current yoyo balancing is basically they deal no damage while having on screen limited range (which is already "long range") and lack agility

so they just have nothing basically when compare to anything that can hit off screen

[halcyon zealot]

common yoyo L

[sleek turret]

zazed suggestion

[wide river]

@sharp saddle Not what this channel is for, go ask in #help-advice-read-pins

[swift wharf]

ill just delete that

[worldly sparrow]

what do you have to post in suggestions to get redirected to #help-advice-read-pins

[wide river]

How do I get Staff of Necrosteocytes? I killed over 200Dark Casters

[worldly sparrow]

lmfao

ah yes

my suggestion

a question

[oblique geyser]

Yoyos are either unviable or Sulphurous Grabber

No in between

[random pasture]

No one cares about yoyos

[sleek turret]

yoyos were an attempt to make flails better for a while but when they made flails zazed the use rate of yoyos decreased

[swift wharf]

yoyos shouldve been thrower middle text bottom text

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[ashen warren]

nuh uh

i mean i don't think the abyss is a biome meant to be built in

so cope ig

but seriously allowing the player to build there would undermine why the rule was made in the first place

[robust parcel]

yeah i dont think you read the whole thing

im talking like, a drop from the eidolon worm or something

[sand marlin]

Calamity Vanities mod has a shrine that lets you breath infinitely in abyss

[robust parcel]

does it get rid of the damage when youre not in water?

[sand marlin]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Idk about that but Idk why you would want to be out of water

Underwater furniture isn't really a bad theming

In fact my friend has made a cool abyss base before

[brazen star]

are you able to make houses ?

or do the background walls prevent that

[sand marlin]

NPC housing no

[sleek turret]

you can make decorative houses

[robust parcel]

yeah but i was going for something like a subnautica vibe

[sand marlin]

I'm pretty sure any town NPC in abyss would rapidly start perishing

In water or out of water

[robust parcel]

yeah i dont need npcs

[sand marlin]

Welp I'd just say give it a try

Shrine of Respiration is post AEW so you're better off just cheating it in early on

[robust parcel]

what does that do?

[sand marlin]

Fixed, just the same thing

[robust parcel]

oh

i cant find vanities

is it on 1.4?

[sand marlin]

Yes

Try typing in CalVal to mod browser

[robust parcel]

k

found it thanks

it doesnt work

dang

[deft yew]

i just house amidias at the very top and maybe build a lumenyl farm there too

[sand umbra]

a bit late, but
Fault Line in particular has always had weirdly low duration for its tier, and I've never quite understood why

7 seconds is a very short time for a post-Golem throw to be out, given how yo-yos work

also, weird thing: those two don't have infinite dura

but God's Gambit does

[drowsy plank]

most consistent calamity behavior

[sleek turret]

LMAO

yeah it's just so weird

even post mechs yoyos have infinite duration?

[sleek turret]

code 2 especifically

[sand umbra]

take a look at the airtime column and make this make sense

[sleek turret]

they're intercalated

otherwise it doesn't make sense really

[sand umbra]

every single yo-yo without infinite dura in this image has a same-rarity contemporary with it

[drowsy plank]

why does god's gambit have the same rarity as yin-yo

[sand umbra]

that's a very good question

one I wish I had an answer to

[sleek turret]

yinyo should be pink ye

since hm weapon consistency

[sand umbra]

yeah, shouldn't Yin-Yo be pink?

given I think that's what all the other shard weps have

[sleek turret]

wait let me check many weapons at the same stage

fuck both vanilla and modded inconsistency

[sand umbra]

earliest infinite dura in vanilla is Code 2, which comes from Traveling Bastard after a Mech is dead

(for some reason, Yelets, obtainable at the same stage, has finite dura, so this isn't even strictly a Calamity thing)

[sleek turret]

dao of pao (pink), crystal storm (light red)

[sand umbra]

Dao of Pao is the best comparison because it also uses Light and Dark Shards

[sleek turret]

yeah

most consistent terraria issue ever

[sand umbra]

the larger annoyance

[wide river]

A lot of Statigel stuff has the same rarity as early Hardmode stuff
I mean like really early Hardmode stuff, like all the pre-Mech stuff in vanilla

[sand umbra]

is that Sky Fracture and Onyx Blaster both have Light Red

[sleek turret]

yea

[sand umbra]

even though those two also make up the vanilla weapon trio made with those shards

[sleek turret]

tbf this makes pink rarity be hallowed tier

or post 1 mech (vanilla)

[sand umbra]

which then doesn't make sense
because Dao of Pow (IN VANILLA) doesn't require a mech

[sleek turret]

ye

dao of pow in calamity isn't post mech either

[sand umbra]

this is only scratchin' the surface, by the by

there are countless instances of inconsistent rarities all across the early Hardmode board in particular

post-Plantera is also pretty bad about it, flip-floppin' between Lime and Yellow
but not as much so, I find, as early Hardmode likes to flop between Orange (very occasionally, if memory serves), Light Red, and Pink

[sleek turret]

rarely the purple tier

the light purple one

[swift wharf]

please don't mention accessory rarity

[sleek turret]

(unholy trident)

[sand umbra]

Light Purple barely gets used

at a use count of only 46 of the 5k+ items in the game

[sleek turret]

yeah the best example for light purple is the death scythe tbh

[swift wharf]

sickle

[sleek turret]

Fuck.

[sand umbra]

accessory rarity is an entirely different beast and I'd prefer not to touch it

because if I get started on it, I won't stop for an hour

[swift wharf]

accessory rarity more like

accessory complexity

[sleek turret]

frozen shield (pink), paladin shield (yellow)

[swift wharf]

no way

GO FUCK YOURSELF

[sleek turret]

yeah this is just

[swift wharf]

[sleek turret]

????????? I'm gonna complain about something else now

why the fuck every single tree in calam drops almost everytime food items

free well fed buff all times

[swift wharf]

yeah

well you see yellow becomes pink because seraph is above legendary

anyways I don't remember why that is a thing

[sand umbra]

what.

[sleek turret]

yeah it does that

[sand umbra]

just learned that that's also true of Hero Shield :)

[grim tusk]

This is being reduced thankfully

[sand umbra]

and both are made primarily with the YELLOW RARITY PALADIN'S SHIELD--

[grim tusk]

Its on #changelogs

[sleek turret]

thanks I was going to simulate 50 trees drops

[swift wharf]

me opening the pandora's box of accessory rarity and unleashing unspeakable horrors into the world

[sleek turret]

never ending consistency issues

[swift wharf]

(Why Terraria is a perfect game and (And why Minecraft will never be))

[zinc horizon]

Okay I dunno if anyone has thought like this as well but doesn’t it feel like there’s typically only one good version of the galaxia/biome blade tree each upgrade of it?

Broken Biome Blade: Arid Grandeur is really the only one that can keep up with the DPS and usability of other melee weapons at the stage of the game you have it at, as you can soon get things like the two melee drops in hell. I think that a lot of them could maybe keep up better if the movement things were removed(mainly the jungle biome whip moving you around when you’re trying to space things out). I think the ice one’s okay and has more use while moving around looking for an opening to use arid grandeur, the crimson and corruption versions are just awful because of how much it moves you around and it makes everything really hard to dodge and hit consistently without getting launched towards danger. The grass one is okay but I feel like the projectile could be better cause why would you use that when you can use the Bladecrest Oathsword for large amounts of homing projectiles that do even arguably more damage, and that sword is a pretty easy drop to obtain.

I have more to say on this for the other ones but I gotta think of some names and stuff, I especially have a bone to pick with the astral biome attunements and still the unnecessary forced movement of some attunements

[grim tusk]

#1042197406776827914

[north oracle]

Broken Biome Blade
Pure Clarity:

Queen Bee - 0:25
Deerclops - 0:52
Skeletron - 0:46
Biting Embrace:
Queen Bee - 0:16
Deerclops - 0:38
Skeletron - 0:47
Arid Grandeur:
Queen Bee - 0:33
Deerclops - 0:33
Skeletron - 0:22
Decay's Retort:
Queen Bee - 0:29
Deerclops - 0:59
Skeletron - 0:49
Grovetender's Touch:
Queen Bee - 0:51
Deerclops - 2:22
Skeletron - 1:35

no, it certainly doesn't seem that way with BBB

[grave zinc]

@high nest - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Perforator and Hivemind Surface Enrage]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cosmic karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Nebulous Core]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cosmic karma]

tragic

[grave zinc]

@oblique geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove/Retheme the Terra Set]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cosmic karma]

much more tragic

[oblique geyser]

Why does terra set get to live

😔

[bright crag]

We will probably rework it

Since you specified "remove or retheme", we voted no :p

[cosmic karma]

couldve been a 🔒 then but i get it

[bright crag]

Not really
Because there are no plans rn

Just ideas

Ultimately it's a bit early for conclusions
As I've said in this channel a few times, Terra set is pretty close to Perennial set
And the Perennial set will demand a lot of discussion before reaching a verdict

[oblique geyser]

True makes sense

[high nest]

I'm kinda surprised perf/hive enrage was the only one through this week

[bright crag]

But the idea of deleting Reaver weapons, then merging Terra and what remains of Perennial seems popular among devs
Of course, the weapons need to be reworked, they're not exactly in pristine condition rn

[zinc horizon]

It’s just an unknown channel

[small timber]

How will the "default" difficulty of perforator and hive mind work now, since the surface enrage is not really a "real enrage" to begin with

Will the fight be based on its current surface or underground difficulty?

[zinc horizon]

Why did it work right after I replied to that 😭

[small timber]

Because currently underground hive mind and perforator is a snooze feista due to them being needlessly nonaggressive and slow

[pine star]

I presume it will be surface difficulty

because most people fight on surface

as evidenced by how people were like "wait what there's a surface enrage"

[pine star]

RIP

[spark ravine]

I get most of the little icons, but what do the 🛠️ and 🔒 icons mean?

[pine star]

tools means "it is on the devs' to-do list"
i.e. "they're working on it"
lock means "this is neither approved or denied"
i.e. "a different plan will be done"

[spark ravine]

@pine star thx

[novel belfry]

Really?

It could've been so much greater

[zinc horizon]

What's BBB?

Also are there videos of these tests at all?

[north oracle]

noone videos tests

that would be dumb, there'd be over 1000

[north oracle]

broken biome blade

[zinc horizon]

What about the loadout used for the stuff?

[north oracle]

pinned in #1042197406776827914

[zinc horizon]

I'm mainly pointing out that the situational stuff of some of the blade is too situational

[small timber]

the point is that they are situational yes

in fact that is almost the entire point of the weapon: to mix in situational effect without making the weapon useless by still giving it some "normal" options

[zinc horizon]

My biggest one being the Grovetender's Touch pulling you where ever the tip hits on the ground just feels annoying and really messes with spacing unless you have a really big arena it

The one that you almost never use is the astral one though

The slam one, including galaxia's version of it

I feel like they tried to make it big to compensate for how out of the way you have to go to slam said thing in the ground

I don't think it gives you I frames when you slam with the weapon really though

[north oracle]

That is the point
It has some that are very situational and not applicable for actual combat except for very specific scenarios, and some that are powerful and should be used for the actual fights

[ashen warren]

regular biome blade jungle is underrated and i will stand by that

[north oracle]

lmao

[ashen warren]

shhhh

c:

[north oracle]

Hey it’s under Calclone kt

[ripe owl]

BHs are accounted right?

[ashen warren]

yes

[north oracle]

Yep
It’s just Nycros time at the end of the fight

[zinc horizon]

But what I'm saying about the slam is that it has zero use but it looks so cool and it makes me sad that it has no use

[north oracle]

Just enjoy it being cool, not every part has to be viable on a boss

[crude geode]

mfw not every weapon is under the expected kt on a boss (it is useless and needs a buff)

insert blast barrel buff sugg

[small timber]

blast barrel is in fact top tier for bosses

if you use it in a specific way

[crude geode]

It’s a random example

[ripe owl]

Meh, I found the Fuel Container more useful in that extent

The barrel is good for crowd control

[bright crag]

(How is the revive not good?)

Though I agree that the Spore Sac projectiles are weird and should be killed

[novel belfry]

i mean, that should stay
but it should also have more interesting side effects as well
not yknow, Spore Sac 2.0

something cool in general, and more DoG themed too

[deft yew]

[bright crag]

It has the revive though
You are just ignoring its main feature :p

[cobalt pewter]

I'd honestly say to completely get rid of Neb Core's side effects

or integrate the spore sac things better into the main function

maybe instead of pure damaging thing, initiating a revive launches cosmic orbs all over the place that give a bit of extra health and iframes upon pick-up

just some silly example but you get the idea

[drowsy plank]

i think the point was neb core should focus more on the revive instead of just being this weird spore sac upgrade

[wide river]

Aye
The Spore Sac part has always been tacked on, it never really felt necessary
Make it not have the damage boost as well, as it shouldn't be both a survivability accessory and an offensive accessory in one
It should focus solely on the revive, nothing more

(In my opinion, at least)

[oblique geyser]

was this me who wrote this

[north oracle]

yep

[cobalt heath]

qiqidi

[sand umbra]

literally the entire argument about Nebulous Core has been that the accessory should lean more into its main feature --- the revive --- instead of tryin' to do shit that doesn't fit said feature

the Spore Sac ripoff doesn't fit
the damage boost doesn't fit unless you were to change it to be a general buff upon revive