also it's fairly obvious when you consumed a finite integer amount of cloud jumps
#suggestions-discussion
cobalt pewter
while flight time goes as far as 0.1s accuracy (at least effectively judging from wing time mods I used), it's much harder to track down in comparison to cloud jumps
and yeah, the wing tap makes it less consistent to memorize too
simply put, how wing flight time works is far less binary than cloud jumps in this example
and such niche "skill" like that is honestly only relevant to nohitting
the average player (even those that bragged to play on malice (ew)) are not precise enough to be needing such "skill"
I'm against this sugg mostly because other mods that achieve the same purpose exist and cal's approach to this is terrible
small timber
their planned for the suggestion is to 🔒 it
that or 🏁
tired haven
and such niche "skill" like that is honestly only relevant to nohitting
Tbh even nohitters would rather avoid running out in first place by placing a copious amount of stuff to hook to
cobalt pewter
precisely
I didn't say it'd be useful for nohitters, I just said it'd be relevant
tired haven
Ye
drowsy plank
this one is weird
hooks arent THAT intergral and i never design my arenas around how long my hook is on a diagonal so idk how necessary this is lol
plus i feel like it would look very weird
swift wharf
cant you just measure it yourself
stable kiln
i completely agree and i was contemplating flagging it for those reasons, but at the same time i dont think theres a reason to flag it besides "i think its weird"
and, yeah lol
stable kiln
lmao
small timber
and how do you display it without just being like, a gigantic toggleable circle around your character
unless it is like "hold E to show hook range" or something
swift wharf
laser pointer type of thing
swift wharf
true....
cobalt heath
Could is just be that the hook would go off but no movement?
drowsy plank
but why
cobalt heath
I minmax arenas around hook length cus I hate wings In general
Would be pretty nice know where to put the next layer
swift wharf
minmaxers...............
stable kiln
even if you dont use wings you can use like, double jumps
ornate kestrel
There's also RoD
cobalt pewter
I think a fine middle ground to that hook sugg is that there will be a marker that points to the final travel point of the hook
I don't care about length, but I do care about where my hook will possibly land
and with most hooks before bobbit, you'll be able to actually see the marker for a moment nearly everytime
swift wharf
if we wanna add that I think that something like the laser pointer from SLR would work
an item that you could favorite in your inventory and it would show the trajectory of your current equiped hook
and then you can just activate the ruler
dapper apex
Just make calamity starlight river
eager bobcat
^
swift wharf
SO TRUE
tired haven
Also just food for thought, hook range depends on your position so if you move during hook being shot, you inadvertently change its target range which makes the circle even harder to get a use out of
golden tulip
honestly you could do this the way modern games do grappling hooks like pathfinder in apex and sekiro, where there is some sort of indicator of whether your grapple is gonna hit and how close you are
deft yew
While I don’t see much use for this, at least given Cal already tells you exact hook stats, it does give me an idea
frosty trellis
Yeah
I don't see a need for this when cal gives hook stats lol
Also mentioning earlier that you don't like using wings and make your arenas around not using them is like, a self limitation that should not be balanced around so
deft yew
Why is vertical speed of all things the only accessory stat that’s not specified in numbers, ever?
frosty trellis
That
Is a good question
Would be very helpful yeah
fervent orbit
this is #suggestions-discussion
oblique geyser
I would too
golden tulip
I would too
well, that makes two of us, but i think we're in the minority and its already planned so.
crude geode
The way you argue for your point doesn’t really make a lot of sense
in my mind at least
a skill you must learn and such a meter would just make it so much easier
So why would adding this be a bad thing???
frosty trellis
I mean, I don't reallly see a need? If you actually pay attention to your flight time you get a pretty good idea of how long you can last
And can just... Get flight time increasing shit if you really need
errant inlet
This may be a thing that only I'm bugged by but i dont think that shadowspec armor should represent scal's armor
frosty trellis
It's... Supposed to be
And it's getting changed to post-scal in the future
Instead of endgame
errant inlet
So excluding exo prisms?
frosty trellis
It's nto being made out of shadowspec later
It's eventually moving down to be made with ashes of annihilation
errant inlet
Oh, so a complete material rework pushing it out of dev tier?
wide river
Yea
errant inlet
Well that does it
fervent orbit
yes demonshade will be reworked to scal tier and will be class specific (opposed to the generic exo armour)
errant inlet
This is being made in accordance to the new exo set i suppose
errant inlet
This sounds very far fetched but having an armor set thats post aew sounds like something that would add a purpose to kill eow besides getting halibut cannon
Although
stable kiln
aew as is doesnt need a purpose to kill becuase its sole purpose is to be a "post game superboss"
errant inlet
3 sets of endgame armor separated by a single boss doesnt sound very balanced
wide river
This sounds very far fetched but having an armor set thats post aew sounds like ...
Dear god no
AEW isn't supposed to have any relevance in progression
Locking an armor set behind it is a direct contradiction of that
bright crag
We already have other plans for AEW
errant inlet
Oh?
fervent orbit
aew as is doesnt need a purpose to kill becuase its sole purpose is to be a "pos...
post game hidden boss
errant inlet
I dunno
I just find the idea of a pure shadowspec armor set cool
Matte black accompanied by hints of purple
deft yew
Ozz mentioned forever ago that there might be a Nanoblack set
…Which, if you ask me, would be a questionable addition tbh
stable kiln
shadowspec is a postgame dev items tier, it wont get an armor unless someone wants to make their dev item an armor set
and idk if thats needed at all
deft yew
Make Gemtech postgame smh
stable kiln
postgame things are cool but it doesnt need to be bloated, and its Really bloated
errant inlet
Gemtech doesnt look like it would stem from exos solely
It looks like a culmination of both the scal hood and exo prisms
wide river
Yes well donor item and such
wide river
A reference to the donor's OC iirc
stable kiln
oh i thought you meant eciipse
gaunt tiger
I still think all wings post-ml should have hover with down+space
but I suggested it once and I think it got ❗ed
errant inlet
Nvm i mixed enchi up with someone else entirely lol
That would make shit miles easier
And make bosses such as dog a breeze
At least in his chaser phase
stable kiln
im not a fan of that idea
if anything maybe give it to one set of wings, definitely not to all
frosty trellis
Wings? Hell no
Tracers? That could be cool
stable kiln
isnt the infernum aew gear just two mage weapons
deft yew
It is
frosty trellis
Seraph Tracers need some sort of viabilty post provi and having the hover niche could be cool
errant inlet
Are you saying they dont have viability.....?
deft yew
Pick a wing to grant the boost ability 
stable kiln
seraph and elysian tracers as a whole need to get a rebanalncing imo
frosty trellis
Same with having the hover for Elysian Tracers as Elysian Tracers are just flat out bad rn
swift wharf
they run fast that is it
stable kiln
elysian tracers are just not in a good state at all imo
seraph tracers are fine
i never see myself using elysian tracers
wide river
elysian tracers are just not in a good state at all imo
Should just turn them into the fabled God Slayer Jetpack smh
errant inlet
What do you use instead
frosty trellis
seraph and elysian tracers as a whole need to get a rebanalncing imo
Elysian needs to moved sooner because it's always gonna be worse on Yharon due to how the fight is layed out
Seraph is fine for the most part, maybe 10 extra frames of flight time
deft yew
It is literally not possible to make Elysian Tracers good with where they are
frosty trellis
Elysian being post sentinels would be kinda nice
errant inlet
i never see myself using elysian tracers
I get that you can replace the wings part with elysian wings but what about the running
deft yew
It would be very funny if Seraph was moved earlier, like post-Cultist, and Elysian was post-Provi or something
frosty trellis
I would be down with using Elysian Tracers on something like DoG
frosty trellis
It would be very funny if Seraph was moved earlier, like post-Cultist, and Elysi...
Seraph being moved to post cultist would be interesting
Considering it would be really nice for Deus
stable kiln
i usually use wings with angel treads in post moon lord
i enjoy that movement the most
frosty trellis
I do as well until post dog
Even when testing shit
Post dog is Silva Wings/Drews/C.Tracers and by that pont I don't need angel treads mobility anymore
errant inlet
i usually use wings with angel treads in post moon lord
Are angel treads faster than seraph?
frosty trellis
Tracers being moved earlier would probably make Seraph great and Elysian actually usable
errant inlet
So you just do it for the wing boost
stable kiln
no
errant inlet
I dont think that seraph tracers should be made with wings at all
stable kiln
i do it because i enjoy that amount of movement speed the most
the whole point of seraph tracers is that they act as wings
drowsy plank
we're going to get a boot alt line Eventually™️ we dont need to rework tracers
frosty trellis
Tracers don't need a rework they need to not suck
Elysian needs to move
And seraph could use 130 over 120 flight time
errant inlet
Also a question for dumbne
Its not news that DoG is getting reworked
But
Is the fight becoming any less projectile heavy?
I can't fight him whatsoever because of his laser spam attacks and the laser grid
drowsy plank
im pretty sure if DoG does recieve AI changes with his inevitable resprite i dont think the fight is going to change too much
frosty trellis
DoG could use more synergestic projectiles rather than less tbh
deft yew
You know maybe I can make a sugg about this later on
stable kiln
i have no clue what any of the DoG rework is going to be at the moment
frosty trellis
Also the laser walls thing is like, some computers like it, some don't it's weird
My laptop handles the laser walls fine
swift wharf
another dog rework tm
errant inlet
My laptop gets crushed by all laser attacks
deft yew
Some people run base walls fine and Infernum walls kinda badly
Others run Infernum walls fine and base walls horribly 
What in the world is wrong with base walls
errant inlet
It would be nice if the dog fight was more worm than dumb laser spam
frosty trellis
Sounds like a potato pc problem more than a cal problem
tMod 1.4 requires better software than 1.3 to run tbf
errant inlet
What in the world is wrong with base walls
The telegraphs are horribly optimized
frosty trellis
It would be nice if the dog fight was more worm than dumb laser spam
Infernum tried that
It sucked
deft yew
Oh great, here we go
errant inlet
Infernum tried that
It sucked
Infernum dog looks miles more fun than vanilla imo
errant inlet
Oh great, here we go
I take it that this is not an uncommon discussion
frosty trellis
I can speak from personal experience that it's a boring ass boss because it has 3 attacks and a total of none of them are interesting while massively limiting build variety
deft yew
I take it that this is not an uncommon discussion
Bring up DoG in any form in the slightest degree and this is literally guaranteed to happen
frosty trellis
Vanilla is better
errant inlet
It sucks in infernum
frosty trellis
By a long shot
stable kiln
i think vanilla DoG is good, i think infernum DoG is good
errant inlet
Endgame worm bosses are just really sucky in general
stable kiln
i have problems with both but the entire "DoG sucks, should be entirely rethemed" talks are old as fuck and tbh pretty annoying to bear at this point
errant inlet
Except storm weaver
stable kiln
what
deft yew
Can we please just not do this, at least somewhere else or something
stable kiln
lmao
frosty trellis
I think infernum is just really boring
It's literally:
Ram Spam
Ram Spam (But pretty)
Boring ass laser walls you can't even dodge by going superspeed anymore
wide river
Oh boy are we talking about a subjective opinion yet again?
Fun! /s
deft yew
The /s is not necessary
stable kiln
scal and yharon are like, some of the best and most polished bosses in the mod
frosty trellis
Yeah no kid
errant inlet
I forgot the word worm
frosty trellis
SCal and Yharon are great. I hate scal but she is an amazing fight
Exos.... Needs a lot of polish
deft yew
SCal and Yharon are great. I hate scal but she is an amazing fight
You huh?
errant inlet
I love yharon
frosty trellis
Done do you have any idea why Exo twins were nerfed?
errant inlet
I'd love him even more if he didn't lag my pc to the point of having less than a single frame per second
deft yew
How does “I hate X but X is amazing” work
swift wharf
done when will you rework dog 
frosty trellis
How does “I hate X but X is amazing” work
I hate SCal mainly bc I hate bh's in general
But I cannot deny that she is a great and well crafted fight that works really well
deft yew
I’d take release Artpollo but with longer Artemis telegraphs and that would be fine by me
errant inlet
Done, the sole cal dev
stable kiln
i need to suggest some buffs
stable kiln
after i beat all of pml infernum with minishark
frosty trellis
I've done them with several true melee weapons they are fine
wide river
Done, the sole cal dev
Nah that's Fabsol according to the subreddit
errant inlet
Lmao
bright crag
i have problems with both but the entire "DoG sucks, should be entirely rethemed...
True
Though... I don't think retheme is the right word
errant inlet
The name exo twins should be replaced with The Hunters imo
It matches the origins of their names since both Apollo and Artemis (in mythology) are hunters
bright crag
Because uh
Current DoG is a very poor implementation of the character
God-eating teleporting worm that... doesn't eat or teleport...?
errant inlet
He does eat
deft yew
If he calls himself “Devourer of Gods” and he’s so famously arrogant then why do his attacks consist of drifting around and spamming 2mph laser beams
errant inlet
But only when he rams you head on
bright crag
The attacks just don't go with DoG's characterization much
stable kiln
both thanatos and twins were nerfed a bit too much and are in need of some tweaks to make them harder, not as hard as they used to be in the old patches but definitely more than they are now
swift wharf
infernum dog does devourer
stable kiln
you mean devour? stupid
swift wharf
you will be eaten
stable kiln
oh yeah? by who
swift wharf
oh yeah? by who
infernum devour
swift wharf
guh
bright crag
Yeah, Infernum's thematic approach is good
But its flaws lie on gameplay, since it kinda forces rams (which wouldn't be ideal for Calamity) and I've heard repeatedly that the fight is mostly glorified ram spam
swift wharf
i think that the point of the boss is ramming
bright crag
Yeah, but unless your mod has a hyperfocus on difficulty, forcing the usage of rams isn't good
deft yew
If you want to take a stance on a boss, I recommend fighting the boss
swift wharf
the boss is definirely beatable without rams as well
deft yew
Eh, that’s a long story
bright crag
Beatable, but is that a main strategy or a challenge?
errant inlet
I think the only time ive legitimately beaten master death dog was when Sirius scaled with minion slots used and when momentum capacitor was allowed during bossfights
Other than that, shit optimization, shitty design
swift wharf
master
errant inlet
Yup
I found normal death boring and infernum too laggy
So i settled for the next best thing
stable kiln
if you hate the boss just dont fight it 👍
stable kiln
calamity community loves to mald about what theyre doing while still doing it
deft yew
I could bring up what I think about DoG
There are things I like, there are things I dislike, there are things I find inherently impossible to make good
But talking about him never goes any direction for anyone that isn’t towards pure angst and division so I can it whenever possible
swift wharf
play rev because death is ble
deft yew
errant inlet
Its like playing chess with someone and your opponent throws boiling water at you
stable kiln
idk usually when someone says shitty design it makes me think they dont like a fight
swift wharf
death dog has one cool think and it's the black sky
deft yew
if you hate the boss just dont fight it 👍
Yeah I just whip out the butcher tool whenever I get to DoG with a subclass 
errant inlet
I should reword that
swift wharf
other than that it's faster boss faster attack
errant inlet
DoG is the boss with the, hands down, worst optimization in the entire mod
swift wharf
and i personally dislike that
oh that's fair
i can't think of a boss with similar lag
shoutout to that one patch where deus literally killed every FUCKING frame
errant inlet
And i think that should be accounted for considering that not every calamity player has an outstanding pc
Plus
Saykng
Saying
"get a better pc"
Is insanely bold to say
deft yew
AD lag was caused by it recalculating speed every frame, right?
deft yew
And I think the current DoG lag is caused by lasers/their telegraphs drawing twice
swift wharf
and then you add that to ttides and you have
errant inlet
What you're implying is that your game should only be sold to a demographic able of purchasing an incredibly powerful pc
swift wharf
powerpoint presentation
errant inlet
Yharon has some pretty laggy attacks too
The spinny bullet hell
Not the one where he shoots out a few fireballs
But the one where he loses a little bit of his hp
swift wharf
ik the one
errant inlet
Its so badly optimized.... M
And you cant even argue for it
Its not even something you can optimize
Its a lazy attack
swift wharf
the configs do help
errant inlet
What configs?
swift wharf
to reduce lag
errant inlet
The ones i already have set to 0?
errant inlet
I even have a mod called
drowsy plank
What you're implying is that your game should only be sold to a demographic able...
not incredibly powerful but yes
swift wharf
anti lag
errant inlet
lag remover
swift wharf
dam
errant inlet
You cant optimize an attack that SOLELY RELIES ON SPAMMING PROJECTILES AT THE PLAYER
swift wharf
you should not play noxus then 
errant inlet
Noxus?
errant inlet
?
drowsy plank
like im sorry but it isn't calamity's problem to fix that fact that terraria in general is not well optimized and id rather they focus on making the game fun than making it run well. obviously that should still be considered but this isn't a team of fan's responsibility
errant inlet
Terraria is pretty well optimized
bright crag
idk usually when someone says shitty design it makes me think they dont like a f...
If people provide arguments, it's fairly easy to distinguish between subjectivity and objectivity
If they don't provide arguments, it's not constructive criticism
deft yew
made by draedon himself
ture
bright crag
Noxus seems awesome, though the line attacks seem a bit too fast
I need to fight it at some point
swift wharf
noxus is awesome top 5 modded terraria bosses
number one starlight river number two starlight
errant inlet
Who the fuck is noxus
drowsy plank
#lore-discussion moment
swift wharf
evil dead god nuke
bright crag
The Noxus mod is based on old plans, yeah
But it's important to make the distinction clear
drowsy plank
this noxus do be based on fandom type boss
bright crag
Current lore Noxus isn't related to Noxus mod
errant inlet
I remember one time where a new player came into cmt asking who entity blahblah was and how to summon it
drowsy plank
when cal makes its own noxus i hope this one gets renamed bc it's a cool boss but that is going to be Very Confusing
swift wharf
do not question the origins
question the implementation
errant inlet
We asked them what they were talking about
swift wharf
:social_credit:
errant inlet
They sent a fandom wiki link
It was promptly
Blocked.
But they insisted on it being a real boss and even went as far as to accuse us of
Idk
Lying to them
errant inlet
Another case was with the wuflrum digger
swift wharf
quality wise, better than official
i need to fight excavator eventually
eventually
errant inlet
Luckily the person that asked about the boss actually listened when told that fandom isn't a credible source of information
drowsy plank
anyway i want to get my two cents in on DoG since i missed that convo but i think DoG is Very Lame when Providence is like Right There because he is still fundementally just Super Destroyer and i hope he moves away from that some day
swift wharf
Luckily the person that asked about the boss actually listened when told that fa...
i don't have a lot of hopes for the future dog rework tbh
but shrug
drowsy plank
i dont expect one but it would be cool and id like it
especially if he finally breaks the shackles of his origin of being Destroyer Again
swift wharf
fab likes destroyer too much
glass arch
destroyer when fab is pretty much the only person that likes it
drowsy plank
glass arch
projectile spam bad except when its fun and engaging instead of fuck you lasers everywhere
deft yew
destroyer when fab is pretty much the only person that likes it
the fact fabsol likes deathstroyer tells us everything we need to know
bright crag
I wish there were more people interested in boss design in dev
sleek turret
can't blame them tbh
drowsy plank
swift wharf
LMFAO
glass arch
projectile spam bad except when its fun and engaging instead of fuck you lasers ...
this is a fine line
bright crag
It seems like it's just me at times, besides Fab of course
sleek turret
tbh the best advice for boss design is to experiment in dev with many ideas
drowsy plank
i just noticed we have 3 fucking destroyers
Death-stroyer, Devourer of Gods, and Thanatos
glass arch
i just noticed we have 3 fucking destroyers
Death-stroyer, Devourer of Gods, and...
4
deus
sleek turret
and healthy talk about what can be implemented or not
bright crag
Eh, I dunno
I definitely let my criticisms of Guardians rework be known, and Fab was pretty chill discussing it with me
drowsy plank
at least deus feels different
swift wharf
i just noticed we have 3 fucking destroyers
Death-stroyer, Devourer of Gods, and...
I must remind you of the 3 armored diggers
drowsy plank
💥
sleek turret
you cannot have like ideas up the air and just compare them based on theory and not practice
glass arch
I must remind you of the 3 armored diggers
i must remind you of [UNIMPLEMENTED FEATURE]
deft yew
at least deus feels different
does it really though
bright crag
I hope armored diggers won't be destroyer copies and will have unique attacks
drowsy plank
does it really though
Barely.
swift wharf
the bar isnt high
sleek turret
we all hope shit is actually different than destroyer/eow copy with slight changes to make it appear different nª 2039
bright crag
What do you all think of Guardians rework btw
swift wharf
We all believe in change
deft yew
AD, simplified, is revstroyer except there are two of them and everything they shoot lingers
drowsy plank
very good
bright crag
I would like to hear your opinions since, well, I was tasked with making sure it was great
sleek turret
haven't seen or fought them but from what i've heard it's nice
swift wharf
SEE this is what happens when it's not just ONE person working on MAIN GAME FEATURES
glass arch
What do you all think of Guardians rework btw
havent actually fought it even though i was there on wfb when we did guardians and provi
swift wharf
⚡
drowsy plank
i still need to learn their patterns better but i really like how they introduce Providence's attacks in a less dangerous way
bright crag
We all believe in the death of the boss design monopoly
You know, in the current state, it just seems like lack of interest
Fab has been pretty open to criticism
wide river
What do you all think of Guardians rework btw
Love it, it's not nearly as awful as the old one was
It's far better as a buildup to Providence, since it actually incorporates her attacks
drowsy plank
commander's dashes are a bit wonky, but that's like my only criticism
bright crag
It's just that people don't discuss it 🥹
swift wharf
spoiler channel tells otherwise 
sleek turret
You know, in the current state, it just seems like lack of interest
Fab has been...
i hope so
drowsy plank
my other one is with the new design they feel like they should drop more bc they're so much more complex now but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
bright crag
spoiler channel tells otherwise <:sku:1064897311987204197>
How so?
swift wharf
Me when I mention a new changelog and am met with appeal to authority
sleek turret
i hope fab changed instead of 2019 yt comment about calamitas bossfight
glass arch
havent actually fought it even though i was there on wfb when we did guardians a...
(for context there are several cal weapons that spwn projectiles on or near the cursor and have infinite range that can be exploited very easily with boss spectate)
sleek turret
you can't say anything, you ain't a dev
hollow ridge
Boss sugg rn: give scal a small break before continuing her attack pattern after bullet hells
swift wharf
I AM DEV DOCTOR HAN I AM A DEV
sleek turret
lmao
bright crag
To be fair, it depends on how you are disagreeing
"X feature bad grrr" will definitely be annoying
Actually discussing your points usually goes well in my experience
swift wharf
cog you need to see the video
drowsy plank
wait there's a video
sleek turret
yeah ecIipse made it
drowsy plank
link
wide river
To be fair, it depends on how you are disagreeing
"X feature bad grrr" will def...
Alas, a good amount of people just say the first one and refuse to elaborate
Doesn't help their case whatsoever
wide river
Alas, a good amount of people just say the first one and refuse to elaborate
Doe...
God Discord took way too long to send that
bright crag
I do think Guardians could be more coordinated
And that their parts in the fight (Commander, Defender, Healer) could have more depth and personality
sleek turret
i feel like instead of attacking by saying "you ain't a dev" just question their argument by using actual debate
swift wharf
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sleek turret
like seriously you're just using fallacies to get away with an argument by someone
drowsy plank
I do think Guardians could be more coordinated
And that their parts in the fight...
they do a far better job than a lot of multi entity bosses rn so at least u have that going for u
sleek turret
this is like the 2024 copypasta being used as an strawman to draw the main point of attention because the 2024 copypasta is a satire copypasta critizing mods having too many qol features that make the game a boss rush
bright crag
True, they are at least more coordinated than other multi-boss fights
Though that isn't a high bar in some instances
swift wharf
comparatively, guardians are really good
swift wharf
this is like the 2024 copypasta being used as an strawman to draw the main point...
the can of worms
qol is a fucking
menace
double edged sword
terraria shouldn't be a boss rush vs here's giant bee arena for example
sleek turret
calamity base stat changes causing me to feel like i received a slap to the face when i change from a mod to another
swift wharf
the rise of modular qol mods are a consequence of that
drowsy plank
double edged sword
SWORDS?? BROADSWORDS??? 
swift wharf
theres a mod that literally just makes boss summons unconsumable
i just heard my coworker saying "i bought terraria"
tired haven
SWORDS?? BROADSWORDS??? <:pogfish:714676262458753081>
broadswords do be pretty double edged
to the point where sometimes you are better off being pacifist than using them at all
swift wharf
theres a mod that literally just makes boss summons unconsumable
or one that buffs your move speed
sleek turret
it's not a bad change tbh but I personally like mods that keep the vanilla stats and just give the player like really basic shit to begin with
drowsy plank
broadswords do be pretty double edged
to the point where sometimes you are bette...
UNDERTA- (I am shot dead)
ashen warren
a worthy sacrifice
swift wharf
it's not a bad change tbh but I personally like mods that keep the vanilla stats...
thankfully the config(s) exists
glass arch
the only cal changes i absolutely cannot live with are hm rework and base ms buff
swift wharf
perhaps I misjudged the 
sleek turret
thankfully it's a config
wide river
perhaps I misjudged the <:nuclearoption:1006635243664592936>
"Perhaps I judged you too harshly"
bright crag
I do think Guardians could be more coordinated
And that their parts in the fight...
Make each Guardian stand out on their own and develop their traits more in a fight environment
Current Guardians take an important step towards that but it's still not enough to make them feel individually interesting
sleek turret
but i do not endorse having 3000 configs in the game too
swift wharf
yeah actually
tired haven
In case of movement speed it kind of ought to be a mechanic instead of an item because the change is so severe it'd feel like a force pick
bright crag
I think Cal really goes too far with QoL at times
swift wharf
adding a config is not the solution to all issues
swift wharf
THANKFULLY dead
tired haven
I think Cal really goes too far with QoL at times
Same, which unfortunately I have very little understanding and patience to articulate at times
swift wharf
potion shops are the bandaid of the bandaid
sleek turret
hell even stuffed fish exist so that potion making doesn't suck so much with herbs
bright crag
Yeah
I also forwarded a discussion about the big hive and whether it's really necessary to have
sleek turret
and even then you should have a ton of herb seeds and herbs because main planetoid having a whooping 20 herb bags
swift wharf
I'd rather just make regular hives a bit bigger if that is the issue people have
drowsy plank
i think big hive as is is lame but i think the concept of a more dangerous, bigger, complex hive, is a really cool idea
deft yew
SWORDS?? BROADSWORDS??? <:pogfish:714676262458753081>
there are eighty seven vanilla behavior broadswords in the cala
bright crag
Yeah, that is the option most people voted on in Dev
bright crag
i think big hive as is is lame but i think the concept of a more dangerous, bigg...
"Complex"
swift wharf
hive subworld from remnants
glass arch
i think big hive as is is lame but i think the concept of a more dangerous, bigg...
something something remnants hive subworld
swift wharf
🐌
drowsy plank
i did not know about that lol
glass arch
DAMN YOU ECLIPSE
swift wharf
it's just an arena last time I checked
deft yew
while a giant hive has some decent potential, especially if you build a qb rework around it
cal giant hive would be far better off just Not Existing
bright crag
You know, some devs have suggested making that hive the center of a Plague minibiome
And I'm like...
"It's fucking open space. How interesting is that?"
glass arch
something something remnants hive subworld
COG I ALREADY GOT SNAILED
drowsy plank
:)
swift wharf
i painted your snail
deft yew
reward grinding instead of directly reducing it
make grinding more ACTIVE than "start a seasonal moon and drink a zerg"
glass arch
what in the fuck is that
bright crag
Yeah, my philosophy is basically to make activities engaging instead of non-existent
sleek turret
money isn't hard to get in calamity why should have a enourmous hive
you could yknow buy a lot of dynamite
swift wharf
onyx excavator 
sleek turret
and since boss summons are unconsumable you get access to infinite gel
bright crag
Hmm, that does make me wonder
How many of you make houses and beds in places across the world, for setting spawn in a place you need to stay in?
swift wharf
(btw I would tune the excavator a bit because of how good it is)
((it's great to use but 100% too fast))
sleek turret
ye
glass arch
Hmm, that does make me wonder
How many of you make houses and beds in places acr...
i usually just use pylons
swift wharf
I just use pylons
sleek turret
i use pylons and potions of return if you consider that too
sleek turret
generally if i know the bossfight is gonna be hard i just place a bed/spawn point
drowsy plank
prePylons they were more important but now it's mostly pylons
the only places i might use it is like. jungle temple
bright crag
So, you don't usually bother creating houses for spawn points right
tired haven
I use pylons and the only 2 exceptions of beds I can remember are early jungle and very specific locations like PML dungeon
sleek turret
i don't bother unless i feel it's necesary
glass arch
So, you don't usually bother creating houses for spawn points right
not typically
deft yew
i used to use houses with beds
swift wharf
I'M AM A MAN'T I WALK TO THE DUNGEON INSTEAD OF PUTTING A BED THERE 💪💪💪💪
deft yew
but i entirely stopped playing base cal a while back so now i just use wayfinder lol
glass arch
I'M AM A MAN'T I WALK TO THE DUNGEON INSTEAD OF PUTTING A BED THERE 💪💪💪💪
imagine not just using sulphur sea pylon
tired haven
I'M AM A MAN'T I WALK TO THE DUNGEON INSTEAD OF PUTTING A BED THERE 💪💪💪💪
I also do that but sometimes it gets old
sleek turret
ok maybe if i had the energy to do it i could make a teleport system in my world so i could get all the main points of the world to get there easily
tired haven
mainly when polter is being more naughty than usual
sleek turret
teleport system do take a giganormous effort (and money)
bright crag
deft yew
mainly when polter is being more naughty than usual
how does one die to polter
glass arch
teleport system do take a giganormous effort (and money)
like moneys an issue in cal
bright crag
I wonder what you all will think of a certain item that'll be added
glass arch
how does one die to polter
farming phantoplasm
tired haven
by not playing a tank I suppose
hybrid steeple
Hmm, that does make me wonder
How many of you make houses and beds in places acr...
pylons + momentum capacitor
deft yew
having a big arena and getting tokyo drifted into ig 
tired haven
multiplayer can also contribute
swift wharf
matter manipulator on polterghast trolling
drowsy plank
I wonder what you all will think of a certain item that'll be added
curious
glass arch
I wonder what you all will think of a certain item that'll be added
holy shit bed teleporter
swift wharf
eepynator
bright crag
Speaking of which
Thank God Potions of Return are no longer sold
bright crag
I hated that so much
bright crag
Potions of Return are really fucking useful
sleek turret
i use potions of return when i'm building because i have all the stations grouped in 1 single place
bright crag
For general exploration
swift wharf
changelog 141 is however something
deft yew
sleek turret
oh dead man's chest changes
bright crag
It certainly is
sleek turret
yeah that might be a thing
swift wharf
breaking 3 dynamite and placing 5 tiles is too hard
bright crag
Maybe it's just me but
I never found Dead Man's Chests dangerous
sleek turret
they're not
glass arch
in all fairness aside from no traps dead mans chests arent exactly common
swift wharf
toddler change because I have no better word for this, cry about it
eternal escarp
its one of those "if you know they dont matter"
sleek turret
they require like 5 seconds of screen time attention
tired haven
Funny part is, I think I can count amount of times I used return potion on fingers of one hand
swift wharf
SURELY people will see the 4 dynamite 3 boulders and 5 dart traps once and be carefully after
SURELY
deft yew
Maybe it's just me but
I never found Dead Man's Chests dangerous
i agree
sleek turret
they require like 5 seconds of screen time attention
which sadly isn't what the average calamity player is able to obtain while playing the game...
glass arch
Funny part is, I think I can count amount of times I used return potion on finge...
i can count it on no hands (i dont even know what return potions do)
swift wharf
they are dangerous ONCE and then never again
tired haven
I recognise its power but struggle to find a use for it aside from "oh shit, I walked like 3 minutes to wof arena edge and forgot X item"
bright crag
I can't count the amount of times I used Return Potion, even in vanilla where they are kinda hard to get
sleek turret
the most noticable trap is darts tbh
deft yew
they may not be common but they are literally easier to see than other chests and easier to disarm than other traps
swift wharf
unless you're braindeading your game (me)
deft yew
sleek turret
there's 3-5 dart traps
eager bobcat
hey is there any way I can make Wave Pounder not completely destroy my game? If not I need to make a sugg
swift wharf
"but 5 holy arrows isn't a lot" then why add it on the first place
sleek turret
cover yourself in stone and remove the explosives
swift wharf
literally
deft yew
dead man's chests are noticeable because they don't have a CTP resprite 
bright crag
adding hardmode gear for something that easy to disarm is
(I disagreed with that change too)
But ultimately, if it's balanced, 
sleek turret
lmaoooooo
bright crag
It does contribute to a bit of strategy
sleek turret
yea
swift wharf
holding a pressure plate in your hand
deft yew
dangersense potions so true
swift wharf
having e y e s
glass arch
again
there arent many dead mans chests in a single world aside from no traps
so like you get hardmode loot but its extremely limited
bright crag
Having eyes is all you need
swift wharf
i just dislike changes for the sake of it
drowsy plank
holy arrows gonna go brazy in gfb
sleek turret
having e y e s
actually let me fix this sentence
eternal escarp
personally i just know i wont use it because Too Good to Use Syndrome
tired haven
Same, heh
sleek turret
it's actually paying attention to the screen and your surroundings
tired haven
its like purified jam but for bows
swift wharf
The only thing I would change from dead man chests would make regular loot a guarantee
deft yew
this is true
swift wharf
because having a trapped chest with nothing but vanity is kinda trolley
eternal escarp
Unholy Arrows atleast are like
yeah sure you dont actively make them but they arent too good that youd wanna keep them / can craft more of them
tired haven
Is sweater not a secondary loot nowadays? Could have sworn it was
eternal escarp
i think it is?
sleek turret
sweater doesn't always appear
eternal escarp
oh
sleek turret
it's secondary i think
swift wharf
sometimes i Just got sweater and no good gear
bright crag
I think the better potions are ok
The arrows are ech
sleek turret
yeah
glass arch
again
there arent many dead mans chests in a single world aside from no traps
so...
for example hardmode ores in ftw planetoids
you have access to it but you need to be careful with how you use it
swift wharf
unless this is gold chest moment in general
bright crag
sometimes i Just got sweater and no good gear
Same
sleek turret
gold chests always have some primary loot
tired haven
unless this is gold chest moment in general
It might be
sleek turret
you can get trolled by getting an extractinator as primary loot
swift wharf
it was a gold chest moment in #general-talk
sleek turret
(this happened to me once)
glass arch
ok but to be fair extractinators are kinda useful
eternal escarp
extractinator??? i litterally never find one 😭
deft yew
having the chance to get shoe spikes or flare gun instead of anything else here is
trolley
sleek turret
they are useful yes
tired haven
you can get trolled by getting an extractinator as primary loot
It's one of my favorites from that chest because they are painfully rare and enable a ton of gem economy
sleek turret
shoe spikes 😭
deft yew
extractinator??? i litterally never find one 😭
you play calamity it's impossible not to find one (hell lab)
tired haven
Plus desert gear is locked behind it
eternal escarp
you play calamity it's impossible not to find one (hell lab)
i havnt played in half a year
only recently have i started playing again to break my burn out
didnt even know hell lab has an extractinator
tired haven
There are exactly 2 items I'd prefer over (first) extractinator 
eternal escarp
chisel 🙏
deft yew
this reminds me of another sugg i need to make
sleek turret
same with hand of creation, really love this item
deft yew
but i'll let the wing one go through first
sleek turret
- it's stackable with gizmo and chisel for extra stats
swift wharf
just dm me trol
eternal escarp
i want the wing one to be isolated so people actually
fair tbh
swift wharf
posts suggestion
disable notifs
close discord
sleek turret
demik on it's way to make the most starred sugg ever (it's literally a 2 minute task)
deft yew
is icicle arrow really the most popular sugg in cal history
eternal escarp
pretty sure
sleek turret
afaik it is unless something else took the place
hollow ridge
demik on it's way to make the most starred sugg ever (it's literally a 2 minute ...
How did that happen
eternal escarp
rage rework is up there somewhere
deft yew
i love terraria!
deft yew
hollup, rage rework?
eternal escarp
How did that happen
0 downsides
no reasonable "but NOO!!!"
sleek turret
rage rework made by philo
deft yew
the rage rework was made because of a sugg?
sleek turret
yes
eternal escarp
well
sleek turret
it's a pillar in sugg history
eternal escarp
yes and no iirc
rage was known to be shitty and was going to get reworked eventually i think, the sugg just made that happen faster?
i dont know actyually
deft yew
@tawny garden
dire goblet
hi what update is calamity mod currently on?
swift wharf
wait rage rework was made by pholo?
sleek turret
refer to what blast said
swift wharf
philo
deft yew
was suggested by philo, at least
swift wharf
please forgive me I'm on mobile
swift wharf
was suggested by philo, at least
common philo W
sleek turret
it just made the rework occur faster
idk what was happening in dev during that time (probably hell) so this is just an assumption
anyways this was a nice talk
bright crag
hi what update is calamity mod currently on?
2.0.2.002
For tMod 1.4.3
tawny garden
<@456921329158062093> <:pepebased:1124772994795982869> <:pepebased:1124772994795...
hi that's me
swift wharf
big fan btw
tawny garden
yes and no iirc
rage was known to be shitty and was going to get reworked eventu...
yes
it was in the books already
golden sonnet
2.0.2.002
For tMod 1.4.3
That's music mod, main mod is 2.0.2.3
golden sonnet
deft yew
minor inconsistency suggestion (one calamillion upvotes)
wide river
So true
sacred cove
I dont see a point in removing the jetstream sam easter egg
Its an easter egg for a reason, if people choose to abuse it instead of playing the game thats their choice
sacred cove
I can go on a power trip early game 🙂
drowsy plank
yeah you can do that with cheat sheet butcher ok
sacred cove
That involves another mod...
drowsy plank
guess what calamity needs music mod so that's two mods w/e
sacred cove
sad but true
drowsy plank
the point is that this isn't necessary at all
sacred cove
I mean yeah its not necessary, but i like the small unnecessary things
It gives the game some character
wide river
The Easter Egg only serves to just delete earlygame bosses
That's all it is, is essentially Cheat Sheet butcher tool up until post-Moon Lord
An Easter Egg shouldn't provide massive benefits like this, not at all. It'd be like if having "Redigit" as your name just gave you the Zenith upon spawning
drowsy plank
im suprised my DS sugg is performing so poorly
i felt like most people disliked victide's nothing recipe tbh
wide river
I think it's a combo of people liking that bosses drop everything + other suggestions overshadowed it
I personally think it was a good idea, since there's no reason why DS should drop that stuff
But seriously though
This is like the equivalent of Yharon dropping Auric Ore
drowsy plank
honestly not a bad idea
wide river
That works yeah
Gives Sunken Sea more relevancy while not making Giant Clam useless
(Useless for the first time you get it, anyway)
I never thought that Giant Clam dropping Amidias made any sense in the first place, since I don't think there's really a reason why he's in there
bright crag
Agreed
It's goofy and unfitting
Though I do know not everyone in the dev server agrees
I do see a part of their argument - Victide being pre-Sunken Sea makes it so that you have underwater armor before the underwater biome
But honestly, I just think that should be the role of Ocean Crest - and Victide would be a "you conquered this biome, have a gift!"
drowsy plank
because we clearly need victide to deal with. The Sunken Sea
world's most hostile biome, obviously
bright crag
So true
drowsy plank
perhaps if victide was closer to the abyss its water bonuses would make more sense but that entire section of progression is just a massive mess
especially the whole remnants of victory shards still muddying the messaging
bright crag
It's not like current swimming gear is OP and easily gives you full bonuses for everywhere except the Abyss right ()
drowsy plank
bright crag
I hope to make Ocean Crest have a cool useful bonus, like increasing the number of bubbles in your breath meter
Though, there is the problem of Water Breathing Potions....
That's the problem, vanilla doesn't give a shit about underwater content
bright crag
So stuff like this is perfectly fine to them
drowsy plank
if we're gonna nerf rage and wrath we can nerf gills
bright crag
A preboss potion that gives you full underwater breathing
Yeah, maybe those potions should have a more tame effect
wide river
I wonder how one would nerf Gills
Just make it slow breath loss instead?
drowsy plank
that's literally what it does in the abyss already
like if it's too strong in the abyss, maybe those nerfs should just be applied to everywhere
tired haven
Reminds me of that one time obsidian skin potion was nerfed
swift wharf
lethal lava in real life
undone holly
Reminds me of that one time obsidian skin potion was nerfed
it was?
oh wait was that when death mode had the temperature system where the underworld as a whole required obsidian skin potions / obby skulls and then obsidian skin was like a lava charm?
drowsy plank
yeah
eager bobcat
cryogen is derping out!
wide river
good stylist name
True
royal tapir
History pages
novel belfry
cryogen is derping out!
the one "joke" line i wish still remained
it only exists as a rare line
that gets a marginally higher chance to appear on april fools day
sick belfry
it's 1% compared to I think 5%
small timber
What do you all think of Guardians rework btw
Hmm, nothing to say on the fight thematically (eg: make it more coordinate, make each guardians more stand out) and also what I think probably will largely different on that, but mechanically for the fight I do have somethings to say
(Sorry if below are not very descriptive, I don't know how to describe them)
General:
- I feel this fight will benefit much more if it is either arena limited or apply a run speed/horizontal speed down debuff on the player, a lot of their attacks get trivialized by moving around as much as possible rather than dodging them (but of course this is not happening so just ignore this)
(all following are assuming you don't trivialize all attacks just by running really fast and really far that all attacks simply can't catch up)
Phase 1:
- (also applicable to Phase 2), Guardians always have this "change side" mechanic where they will attempt to move from left to right (or right to left) either by going up or down; either make this an actual attack or make them execute this faster (faster as in maybe like Ares' movement where it deadlock to your current speed in execution)
current problem is that you either have to go super fast so that they "give up" this side changing or start going the other direction, currently sometimes this side change is so slow that they literally ram into the player if you move in the same direction at "medium speed" because PG have the tendency to sway when doing this and this is especially noticeable if you dash, especially that the rock ring enlarge their hitbox which make it so this side change has much less leeway for error like this
.
Phase 2:
2) make the "rock ring throw" be executed (move) faster or make it not an attack, or just change how it works (eg: make the ring thrown side ways horizontally like a 0 and make it more destructible during the attack); currently it is a gigantic horizontal area denial that is simply trivialized by a gigantic arena, while exceedingly dangerous if you try to not trivialize it, this attack should also have better off screen telegraph (because it almost always happen off screen)
- defender guardian charges 1-2 times per attack cycle, when defender is "returning" to commander after finished with this charge, it should just not have contact damage, currently this is a pure cheap shot as there is no way to know if they are charging 1 or 2 times and they can just run straight across the player when returning at rapid speed (I actually don't know if this is a bug that they charge 1 time sometimes, but it seems like it happen when defender is charging and commander is "changing side" at the same time)
Phase 3:
4) not much to say about this phase, maybe make it so it alternate 1,2,3 charges instead of seemingly at random
and not related to PG fight but yes, I do feel commander and defender need to be more distinguishable during Providence fight
deft yew
another thing, the defender/commander dashes due to how their root corite AI works have ridiculously high turning speed at close-ish range
which makes it pretty much impossible to dodge if they get too near
small timber
I think that one is like, fine, even in ftw and no ram it is not really a problem
deft yew
yeah it's a smaller thing
bright crag
Yeah, I did motice how going horizontally trivialized the fight
The side swap was a (kinda bandaid imo) counter to that
deft yew
this is true
north oracle
I mean now you just run in one direction then run in the other direction
It doesn’t change a lot except for making you pay about 1 brain cell more attention
small timber
it is trivialized by both vertical and horizontal, so it really is a fight I feel work in a medium size arena
deft yew
and when you need to turn around for that part, you usually run into like thirty homing flames that they shot four attacks ago
bright crag
(And you are forced to do so instead of being natural to the flow of the fight)
deft yew
all with different paths and speed
small timber
yeah you are forced to constantly move horizontally
small timber
and when you need to turn around for that part, you usually run into like thirty...
that one is ok because I don't notice any of them accelerate so you can see them coming
basically just thread in the needle
deft yew
Not a great *situation*, to be honest
if boss development really is looser now, do encourage other devs to be more vocal about it
everything i've heard says they're kinda scared to
small timber
yeah everything I've heard until now is "Fabsol just say no to anything oppose to what he think about a boss" so no one dare to express any opinion (outside of pointless loud criticism/literally just flaming ("X features bad grrrr") which some people just do anyway)
deft yew
gotta love an iron fist
bright crag
I do think they need to be more vocal too, I don't quite get it
I did talk about my criticisms of the fight, and might discuss it a bit more once the port is done
novel belfry
they could just be used to letting fab do everything
quick question, how recently did you join the dev team Vetra?
bright crag
Middle of last year
novel belfry
k
bright crag
While I do understand why they wouldn't worry about boss design, I do think it's an important topic to discuss more
I've tried to provide good feedback and ideas, though I wish I could be more useful than that
Everything has been going pretty well when it comes to discussions so far, Fab has been very comprehensive and our discussions about it were pretty good
deft yew
While I do understand why they wouldn't worry about boss design, I do think it's...
if the team as a whole has been so intertwined and blended the rest of mod development so smoothly together into the past, why not at least attempt to bring bosses into that now
bright crag
While I won't say much is due to my feedback, since other testers also had input, but...
I brought up how easy it was for them to be outrunned, for example
And the scissor probably would have been scrapped if not for my feedback
iirc
deft yew
dev isolation is never good for any one element of a game
small timber
time for "boss criticism google doc round 2", last time it was very effective (only change was shorten cryogen teleport phase)
(but yeah tbh that doc had a lot of mixed ideas)
bright crag
dev isolation is never good for any one element of a game
Agreed
If anything, cooperation will be largely beneficial for all parties involved
deft yew
think about an element of development like a species
if populations get cut off from the rest of their range, they get low genetic variety, which makes them weaker to diseases
bright crag
Which is why I'm glad to be designing weapons alongside Triangle
Since I have a foot in lore, he has a foot in spriting, and so we can connect design and visuals and lore in a really smooth way
I do have an interest in boss design, but well, it's just me :p
And I don't know how to code, so my assistance is limited
deft yew
if the balance of an attack hinges on one variable, like velocity/acceleration/homing strength/etc., you can at least balance test them a little
small timber
the moment when to learn how to code you must first search through 100 probably outdated tutorials that will probably be outdated again next tmod update
sick belfry
idk if this goes here but a community item contest like every month or 2 would be cool
deft yew
the moment when to learn how to code you must first search through 100 probably ...
alternatively:
sick belfry
connection of devs and community in any way is pretty nice
small timber
alternatively:
just contact someone you never talk to before to teach you how to code LOL
north oracle
alternatively:
this is too powerful
swift wharf
bro got draedon on the line
small timber
but yeah I will try to learn how to code eventually when I am done with the stuff I am working with
to finally add triple moon lord laser to king slime
novel belfry
its like a random guy who wants to fix a car decides to call Draedon himself
swift wharf
I love the little inside joke of calling dom draedon and iban john wulfrum
deft yew
that's not an in joke it's true smh...
drowsy plank
if we do prep another boss ai issues doc i wanna be in on that lmao
deft yew
this is sounding more intriguing by the minute
small timber
I mean, you probably can do it? make it not being vandalized is the problem
small timber
last time it was basically mentioned in 1 time and no one talked about it again which is why it can be largely ignored by public (most people did not noticed it exist)
grim tusk
alternatively:
Wont work unless your name is Toasty and are an Infernum Dev (not Tester)
restive kraken
flight time meter is a wonderful idea if it is able to be executed properly
small timber
it also is a mod that exist
restive kraken
there we go then!
small timber
and also is apparently an idea that are to be implemented already therefore suggesting that is pointless
restive kraken
ah okay
deft yew
i wish we knew like half an ounce of dev plans so we could stop wasting our time making suggs that conflict with them
drowsy plank
shade literally saw my ping and said nothing about the flight meter thing im not gonna lock a sugg if i dont get 100% confirmation if it's gonna get added idk wtf happens if i have to remove it
cobalt pewter
if the team as a whole has been so intertwined and blended the rest of mod devel...
it'll never happen
because then he'd lose more reason to keep patreon up when he's working solo on less and less and others in the dev team ain't taking that money
simply put: capitalism
I do wish bosses would be more integrated into the rest of the mod's development but in this current state, it'll never happen, trust
cobalt pewter
it'll never happen
because then he'd lose more reason to keep patreon up when h...
especially when that money is his primary source of income
bright crag
It is planned, sprited even
Though I'm not sure that should have been revealed
In any case, it is public now, so I imagine that deserves a lock
Actually
Isn't 🛠️ more proper?
drowsy plank
oh i suppose yes in this situation
bright crag
Added to to-do list, and officially planned for implementation
small timber
🔒 is conflicting plan yeah
deft yew
@small timber @drowsy plank if you really actually want to make a doc, ping me tomorrow
i'd love to do that 
drowsy plank
sure lol
grave zincBOT
@chilly osprey - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Add a meter that shows flight time remaining while flying.]
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@chilly osprey - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Add a meter that shows flight time remaining while flying.]
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bright crag
Done
deft yew
why'd it do that twice
drowsy plank
bright crag
I accidentally removed the reaction lol
drowsy plank
lmfao
bright crag
deft yew
exceptionally rare amber appearance
bright crag
So true Amber
deft yew
what did they come back for btw?
ashen warren
i've been lurking here for a few hours or so 
ashen warren
the tl;dr of it is, I did another cal playthrough and throughout that i kinda wanted to come back
deft yew
I can’t even remember why you left lo
ashen warren
it was old drama, i didn't really speak about it, and it's in the past at this point 
cobalt pewter
awesome
bright crag
i've been lurking here for a few hours or so <:hueh:551794440667136011>
A fellow lurker 
It's nice to have you back, and well, I hope the dev environment is much more welcoming and enjoyable now
As to the suggestion
I can't show the sprite, naturally, but I can confirm that it looks great
crude geode
i wish we knew like half an ounce of dev plans so we could stop wasting our time...
No that’s the real fun of suggestions
Bc 90% of the time the mythical 🛠️ isn’t a real reaction
Let alone 🏁
bright crag
Besides, I feel like you know a lot of what's going on
This flight time stuff is kind of a random thing we decided on
After we added infinite flight during Blender
crude geode
Also iirc the reason dev plans are very secretive is moreso because they’re volatile and prone to being backed down in lieu of something more important
Say, a massive port that completely fucks over the team’s morale and requires months of work
cobalt pewter
or a little tomfoolery that resulted in at least 2 dev members (including some of the most influential ones to the devplans.pdf) to jump off
bright crag
Not really the case
You have plans like Distortion and Dragon Aerie that have existed for a long time
It's moreso like
"These are details that are not set in stone yet so we can't guarantee they'll be a thing"
There's usually a good amount of discussion before something is truly determined
crude geode
Fair
I remember someone from dev (at some point) bringing up the first point Byeah the details are hard to solidify
bright crag
or a little tomfoolery that resulted in at least 2 dev members (including some o...
Yeah, that too
Though, hopefully we won't have to deal with that anymore
Most of the pretty solid plans we have are quite public
novel belfry
what's one thing about the Distortion and/or the Dragon Aerie that you think is very interesting
bright crag
You know the Aerialite weapons and armor, although you can at most speculate about their function
You have the complete ability descriptions for the Arsenal and Exo armors
Cryonic is still in the works, but you already know a bit about the material, and which classes it will privilege
Cei and Rebecca occasionally discuss new Bestiary in vague terms
novel belfry
like, not a major part of their design, but something small, like a structure or material
bright crag
what's one thing about the Distortion and/or the Dragon Aerie that you think is ...
The plans for that, even with the old team, are quite shallow
They haven't really been developed
Though I will say, I love Auric Dragons and the aesthetic of the Dragon Aerie so
novel belfry
whats the aesthetic like?
bright crag
Wouldn't you like to know :p
The most we have on those places, afaik, is:
- Lore
- Descriptions of the terrain/biomes
- Old mob plans
sick belfry
may one day we know. off topic but I wonder, when calamity finally makes the 1.4.4 jump will some update stuff come with it
||until 1.4.5 quickly after or before drops ||
sleek turret
probably no since ports were always just to make the mod playable
bright crag
Probably not
We'd like to release the port as soon as we can, while making sure it's working well
Adding content would just delay the update
sick belfry
ah, porting pain
bright crag
The most we have on those places, afaik, is:
- Lore
- Descriptions of the terrai...
Our most detailed plans also got scrapped after 22, so... we'll have to largely re-plan the reworks
I wrote a lot of plans shortly after the incident but they've been discussed little
We plan on having some meetings after the port to discuss our upcoming updates and mainly Sunken Sea Overhaul
While programmers are currently working on the port, lore writers are working on either Cal Bestiary rewrite (Cei, Rebecca), Ilmeris lore (Cei, Rebecca) or Aerialite lore (me)
Spriters are working on some things, but what I can tell you is what you've seen - Triangle working on Aerialite/Cryonic reworks, and Arsexo armors
bright crag
Well, you're in luck, because there's a lot of lore coming
sick belfry
🎉
yippee, but for now lore discussion is a meme fest mixed with the small chance of real lore questions
ripe owl
@wary flume #1042197406776827914
wary flume
Thank you sir, I didn't know that existed
ripe owl
@drowsy plank hiii
small timber
this
torpid latch
is it on purpose that astral injection doesnt work with quick mana hotkey
small timber
probably
astral injection do not regen mana (as in the flat amount like mana potion restore) hence why it dont work with quick mana
torpid latch
ok
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@dull ether - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make the counter scarf particle color correspond with dye color]
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distant gyro
the current dash particle is actually dyeable, but it is tied to the visible shoe slot instead of the neck slot
Tarragon/Bloodflare/God Slayer/Silva activated bonuses - armor slot (some were previously waist or shoe slots, some were correct)
Deep Diver, Valor/Aegis line - shield slot (previously armor slot)
Nebulous Core - body slot (previously waist slot)
Scarves - neck slot (previously shoe slot)
Statis' Void Sash - waist slot (previously armor + shoe slots)
Wings - wings slot (these are already correct)
crude geode
Wacky
distant gyro
note that this slot applies to whatever appears on the player
if the player is wearing a vanity Reflective Gold dyed Apprentice's Scarf over the Counter Scarf, the dust is gold by slot order
crude geode
grave zincBOT
@frail delta - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Allow Draedon Projectors to be placed facing either direction]
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north oracle
:3 I summon you
distant gyro
what am i posting
distant gyro
points fingers
grave zincBOT
@gusty burrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Rename Nuclear Rod to “Nuclear Fuel Rod”]
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@restive kraken - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make the Dragonblood Disgorger's tooltip more clear]
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@hybrid steeple - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make Celestial Onion's tooltip say what it actually does]
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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Allow Bride, Groom, and Maggot Zombies to Drop Blood Orbs]
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sand marlin
That's a lot
distant gyro
the graveyard shit drop them at a 10% chance hf grinding
sand marlin
Worth
Absolutely worth it
No need to wait for blood moon to summon blood moon anymore
fervent orbit
now we can stop telling people to "just be lucky smh"
ripe owl
Indeed
distant gyro
blood moons aren't even that rare 💥
sand marlin
That one guy without a single blood moon until late hardmode:
Yes it's not but it's nice
ripe owl
blood moons aren't even that rare 💥
I didn't get a Blood Moon in my recent playthrough until uuuuh
Lemme check
Skeletron
And even then it was a forced one
Haven't seen any more Blood Moons yet iirc
drowsy plank
these changes r so real