(This sounds like something I'd do too if we're being honest)
#suggestions-discussion
wide river
swift wharf
lmao
eager bobcat
Post yharon mage be like: both my best weapons are beams and one of them is an old weapon with bigger numbers
swift wharf
yippie!
sand umbra
you made me think of other post-Yharon mage weapons and now I'm realizin' that Magnetic Meltdown gets two tier upgrades back to back
wide river
Ah yes
Beat a boss, upgrade this weapon
But now do it three times
sand umbra
Magnet Sphere gets upgraded 3 times in the span of about 2 and a half tiers
Magnet Sphere (post-Plantera) => Magnetic Meltdown (post-Ceaseless) => Voltaic Climax (post-DoG) => Void Vortex (post-Yharon)
eternal escarp
All ill say is the stars are definitely not the main characteristic of the acc
they are just slapped on, ever since it got the revive that became the main effect
otherwise
yeah i agree
cosmic karma
All ill say is the stars are definitely not the main characteristic of the acc
t...
ah
sand umbra
ohey new sugg just dropped
(the last major change to the Nebulous Core was 6 years ago)
the last major change was makin' the revive guaranteed
eternal escarp
oh yeah that too 
cosmic karma
ohey new sugg just dropped
> (the last major change to the Nebulous Core was 6 ...
i guess
sand umbra
which if memory serves was sometime last year
...wait what the fuck it was in 2021?
wow
time flies
cosmic karma
that was 2021
sand umbra
does not feel like it's been that long since 1.5
what tML development does to an mf
anyway yeah that was the last major thing that happened to Nebulous Core and that was the better part of two years ago (1.5 came out in 2021 around the tail end of November)
hollow shell
I agree with this suggestion but
"the last major change to the Nebulous Core was 6 years ago"
Blatantly incorrect
sand umbra
byeah
in 1.5, God Slayer lost its revive, and Nebulous Core's revive was changed to guaranteed as a way to still keep that intact while also Not Tying A Fucking Revive To Class-Specific Armor™️
hollow shell
^
sand umbra
(the irony behind that reasonin' while the Silva revive still consciously exists even though Silva is exclusively mage/summon now is not lost on me, don't you worry)
cosmic karma
there
sand umbra
:like:
I really think the Spore Sac ripoff effect could be ditched in favor of, say
something to augment the revive itself
wide river
I think my main gripe with DoG loot is that defeating them gives access to 5 separate equipment pools (kinda 6 but not really)
Direct DoG drops, Cosmilite crafts, Darksun Fragment crafts, Endothermic Energy crafts, and Nightmare Fuel crafts
Like I get that DoG is a major progression point, but so are Wall of Flesh, Plantera, and Moon Lord, and none of them come close
cosmic karma
yeah dog just like drops too many stuff
sand umbra
maybe you get like a big dick damage buff when it procs or something I dunno
hollow shell
The Spore Sac effect needs to die
I would be fine with it if it like, burst out a ton of the projectiles when you procced the revive
Deal some insane big damage to compensate for you getting put on death's door
The passive slow-ass floating stars directly copied from a Plant acc is so so lame
sand umbra
so unbelievably lame
and for what used to be DoG's Expert drop, it feels almost heretical to accept anything that lame
swift wharf
truly
sand umbra
I think my main gripe with DoG loot is that defeating them gives access to 5 sep...
I would care a lot more about this issue if not for the fact that none of those sets are particularly large on their own
swift wharf
maybe you could focus on them and idk make it create holes in reality instead of spores
instead of pink spore
drowsy plank
i thought the revive was like the only good part of that accessory lmao
sand umbra
the revive used to be ass
hollow shell
I think my main gripe with DoG loot is that defeating them gives access to 5 sep...
(Well that's assuming that the events, like, don't exist and you're just granted the drops immediately
Plantera gives you access to the Holiday Moons too, and buffs the Eclipse, and the Dungeon of course)
sand umbra
and then God Slayer lost its revive, which allowed Nebulous Core's revive to actually do something without resultin' in fantastical survivability creep or something idk
swift wharf
prob still is I don't think anyone uses it for the damage or spores
hollow shell
The NF EE DF DN issue will get fixed when the DoG dimension comes around in a billion years
sand umbra
my favorite of the Future Plans™️
the DoG dimension that will definitely happen before the second heat death of the universe
swift wharf
implementations when
when
.
hollow shell
i thought the revive was like the only good part of that accessory lmao
Yeah frankly just like remove all of the accessory's effects except the revive and reduce its cooldown by 10 or 15 seconds
That would be ballsy
I LOVE focused cohesive singular accessory effects
Always have
sand umbra
make the revive cooler, honestly
wide river
The NF EE DF ~~DN~~ issue will get fixed when the DoG dimension comes around in ...
I can't wait for that, honestly
Under no circumstances do I like seeing chat flood after killing bosses
I can handle like three messages
But about four or so is too many
sand umbra
even the revive that's meant to the main point of the acc feels a lot lamer than it should in practice
you get 100 health and a small sound of some kind and maybe some dust
cosmic karma
nebulous core just seems like a bunch of random effects slapped together
swift wharf
it is
sand umbra
Yharim's Gift:
wide river
nebulous core just seems like a bunch of random effects slapped together
(If we're being honest that's like 60% of the post-DoG accessories summed up)
cosmic karma
true
swift wharf
GOD
deft yew
The Amalgam (literally exists to be a bunch of random effects slapped together)
sand umbra
you can't tell me that Yharim's Gift is not the culmination of everything wrong with non-upgrade post-DoG accessories
hollow shell
make the revive cooler, honestly
swift wharf
rover that item is bad,.,..,,.,.,.,.,
sand umbra
who CARES if an item is bad if it's COOL
wide river
(If we're being honest that's like 60% of the post-DoG accessories summed up)
I love my dash accessory that gives me defense, debuff immunities, a way to buff my damage, extra health, a buff when in liquid, immunity to knockback, and extra life regen!!!! 
swift wharf
but but but it's not spindown r key glitched crown rock bottom :(
cosmic karma
I *love* my dash accessory that gives me defense, debuff immunities, a way to bu...
buffs when in liquid is such a useless effect
deft yew
who CARES if an item is bad if it's COOL
-testers to every weapon with an iban or dom rework
sand umbra
I *love* my dash accessory that gives me defense, debuff immunities, a way to bu...
don't forget the activated abilities on left-click, right-click, Armor Set Bonus keybind, a separate keybind that has no reason to exist, teleport, death, dodecahedron-shaped trackpad rubs, and playin' specifically the 5th of the 6 possible chords that can be played by usin' Stellar Tune
hollow shell
If you changed Nebulous Core to be +30% damage and nothing else it would be a crazy meta option and an "amazing" accessory
But it wouldn't be memorable, it wouldn't impress anybody, it wouldn't inspire anybody
deft yew
speaking of which can DSA die 
sand umbra
dude, FUCK Dimensional Soul Artifact
deft yew
all 3 of the SAs are weirdge tbh
sand umbra
actually fuck the soul artifacts in general
deft yew
profaned doesn't count, dedicated content
sand umbra
they all either suck or make no sense
cosmic karma
i feel like making it something like blood pact where its like “revive but at a negative cost” and the revive is buffed a bit
wide river
If you changed Nebulous Core to be +30% damage and nothing else it would be a cr...
What if
And hear me out here
(This is probably a stupid idea)
What if we fused Dimensional Soul Artifact and Nebulous Core
Accessory that gives you damage, makes you take more damage, but can give you a revive
deft yew
now that would be an interesting effect for blood pact
drowsy plank
the stupid emblem lines need to die
by that i mean those classless accessories that just give you +x% damage like why would i ever use avenger, and arguably even destroyer at times when i could just amal brain and amalgam and get a free dodge on top of everything else
sand umbra
here's a better question
why would I use that one Perennial upgrade to Avenger
ever
glass arch
dsa is actually unique because its one of the only accessories that actively impedes your survivability
deft yew
vex necklace 
drowsy plank
why would I use that one Perennial upgrade to Avenger
regenerator
sand umbra
dsa is actually unique because its one of the only accessories that actively imp...
unfortunately, unique, cool, and good are all very different ballparks
hollow shell
Actually you know what I would prefer +30% damage and nothing else, over
+3% damage +3% knockback +3% movement speed +2 regen +1 minion slot +40 max mana +5 defense
because with just damage then it at least has a FOCUS, it has a PURPOSE
wide river
why would I use that one Perennial upgrade to Avenger
But Acid Venom with Reaver armor!
sand umbra
DARK SUN RING
okay so actually can I rant about Dark Sun Ring and effects like it real quick
drowsy plank
i do not understand what DSR is trying to do on god
wide river
okay so actually can I rant about Dark Sun Ring and effects like it real quick
Considering Nebulous Core got us here I think you're good
sand umbra
what the fuck is the point of givin' an accessory the "a little bit of everything" treatment when it is clearly capable of havin' a clear focus on something else
cosmic karma
there are so many accessories after like major bosses that like are just a ton of random things
wide river
i do not understand what DSR is trying to do on god
It's like Celestial Shell 2 but worse
drowsy plank
^
sand umbra
Dark Sun Ring should focus on the Eclipse, damnit
sick belfry
dark sun ring looks like it should combine with the celestial shell
sand umbra
you literally get it by doin' the buffed Eclipse
it's not an upgrade to anything
it's not anything noteworthy that'd justify that effect
it is literally just there to be there
drowsy plank
it's like celestial shell bc that gives buffs for every class too, right? ...right??
sand umbra
and I hate that
hollow shell
I think Dark Sun Ring was added because it was the original requirement for fighting Yharon's 2nd phase
Then it was changed to just beating the eclipse
Then eventually it was changed to not require a refight at all
But Dark Sun Ring was just, left in the game, even though its purpose was extinguished
drowsy plank
WHY does it have uelibloom bars in it
wide river
it's like celestial shell bc that gives buffs for every class too, right? ...rig...
But now it's more Summoner focused :HDflr:
royal tapir
Wasn’t DSR originally added just to be the sole item that could trigger Yharon phase 2
glass arch
yes
deft yew
it's like celestial shell bc that gives buffs for every class too, right? ...rig...
oh i can find some items that don't even have that reason to exist 
sand umbra
Celestial Shell's tree is unique because the entire point is to give a little bit of everything
with the initial stipulations bein' certain times of day or, in the case of Neptun'e Shell, submergence in water
deft yew
wrong reply
deft yew
*it is literally just there to be there*
le
sick belfry
The dark sun ring should turn into a summoner item, remove some of the other class effects and focus on summon. or should it just not be anything
sand umbra
Celestial Shell then has the unique point of bein' the culmination of those four items
grantin' the Sun and Moon Stone buffs at all times due to combinin' them as well as providin' both constituent transformations
wide river
oh i can find some items that don't even have *that* reason to exist <:trollge:8...
Just set every single Calamity item on a wheel, spin it, and whatever you land on has a high chance of being a filler item
sand umbra
it makes sense because it uses items that culminate in its effect
Dark Sun Ring doesn't have this structure and is actively fucked over by continuin' to gun for that idea despite that fact
sand umbra
half of its effects are useless
royal tapir
Auric Ore mining
sand umbra
it's a post-DoG item
glass arch
cshell is pretty much only a combination of its components but because those components are all unique and interesting cshell is also interesting
wide river
The dark sun ring should turn into a summoner item, remove some of the other cla...
I heard some vague mentions that Dark Sun Ring is losing one of the minion slots at some point
This of course wasn't confirmed or anything, just some hearsay
sand umbra
cshell is pretty much only a combination of its components but because those com...
basically
hollow shell
Because having an accessory that excels in one singular situation is a SIN
It needs to be SLIGHTLY GOOD in ALL SITUATIONS
sand umbra
like
12% increase to damage and melee speed
+1 life regen, 15% increased mining speed, and +2 max minions
Increased minion knockback
During the day the player has +4 life regen
During the night the player has +20 defense
During an eclipse the player has +2 life regen and +10 defense```look at this shit
this is everywhere all at once and it has no reason to be
wide river
Because having an accessory that excels in one singular situation is a SIN
It ne...
This is why the post-DoG accessories need some help
They're all trying to do too much
sand umbra
Celestial Shell works because it's the sum of its parts
hollow shell
What's that Bruce Lee quote
(I say, having already copied it to my clipboard)
sick belfry
the ring should become an upgraded cshell, make it give all of the normal cshell buffs but with the added defense regen and maybe summons.
sand umbra
a similar case can be made for the Amalgam, whose entire purpose is playin' to that gimmick, albeit to the extreme
sand umbra
the ring should become an upgraded cshell, make it give all of the normal cshell...
I disagree. quite strongly, actually
drowsy plank
cshell upgrade 💀
sand umbra
because Celestial Shell does not need an upgrade at all
it's already an incredible item
hollow shell
Fun fact I think it was actually planned to become a Celestial Shell upgrade 
drowsy plank
wide river
the ring should become an upgraded cshell, make it give all of the normal cshell...
Unironically Celestial Shell is already on par with a post-DoG accessory (Elemental Gauntlet)
cosmic karma
cshell is broken
sand umbra
it's already on par with ELEMENTAL FUCKING GAUNTLET and can be obtained way earlier due to Calamity not yet addin' any extra mats required to any of the combination steps
sick belfry
it looks so similar in stats to it, but it's somehow worse lmao
the ring might just be completely removed tbh
sand umbra
so what you get is a post-Golem melee-leanin' accessory that's on par with a post-DoG melee-centric accessory and is more universally applicable
and people still want an upgrade to it
sick belfry
or a giant rework
hollow shell
Conversations like these used to happen all the time while Thomas was around before btw
I noticed quite a significant decline until this very moment :P
deft yew
HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS
glass arch
so what you get is a post-Golem melee-leanin' accessory that's on par with a pos...
yeah cshell is really good for all classes on at least ml and provi because of immunity to holy flames and nightwither
sand umbra
yeah cshell is really good for all classes on at least ml and provi because of i...
oh yeah I forgor to mention
drowsy plank
oh right i forget we BUFFED IT
sand umbra
Shell also inherits Calamity's own Sun and Moon Stone buffs
hollow shell
Hey I couldn't cause changes like we're asking here even while I was a DEV and I had the plans in our OFFICIAL TRELLO
And had Ozza, a lead dev, agreeing with my plans and even cowriting them
drowsy plank
😭
sand umbra
truly troutstandin'
drowsy plank
tbf that was pre-22 right
i blame old dev enviorment or something idfk
hollow shell
Rest in peace, Iban, the only guy who cared enough to see those changes through and had the skill to do them justice
His passion and his talent were his downfall
drowsy plank
F
hollow shell
(Fab didn't like how productive he was)
drowsy plank
wh
sick belfry
😢
drowsy plank
im not even gonna touch that
hollow shell
This is getting VERY into the 22 incident so perhaps I should stop there
sand umbra
yeah, probably best not to poke that hornet's nest
drowsy plank
anyway do you guys think we could get. idk. unholy essence into c. shell or something
hollow shell
yeah, probably best not to poke *that* hornet's nest
"hornet", you say
sand umbra
to be fair, you basically gift-wrapped that one for me
drowsy plank
i think the funniest part is the werewolf transformation which is the big part of c. shell's upgrade barely improves the stats like celestial STONE is already kind of bonkers, the werewolf part just puts it on part with ele gauntlet which is just so funny for so many reason
sick belfry
I say revert the Cshell or base terraria
because it just looks like it can't get better but randomly does
drowsy plank
oh my god wait moon stone just Gives The Same Buffs But Only At Night
and you can get it at the start of Hardmode
im losing my mind
sick belfry
you didn't know?
hollow ridge
Big suggestion
drowsy plank
i thought it was still weaker!!
the only thing cshell changes is that it's active 24/7!!
wide river
and you can get it at the start of Hardmode
Hey at least it's not Story of Red Cloud levels of unbalanced where you can get it pre-Hardmode
drowsy plank
wtf!!!
cosmic karma
oh my god wait moon stone just Gives The Same Buffs But Only At Night
(the time where like 50% of the bosses are)
frosty trellis
the only thing cshell changes is that it's active 24/7!!
You just learned this cog?
glass arch
Hey at least it's not Story of Red Cloud levels of unbalanced where you can get ...
tsorc is hilarious
drowsy plank
You just learned this cog?
for some reason i thought terraria actual balanced their game
my bad guys
frosty trellis
Vanilla Terraria is somehow less balanced than cal
deft yew
for some reason i thought terraria actual balanced their game
i wish teiull was here so i could summon them and they would kill you
glass arch
Vanilla Terraria is somehow less balanced than cal
yes because dr scaling and defense damage dont exist
wide river
yes because dr scaling and defense damage dont exist
And dodges stacking
glass arch
yeah that too
drowsy plank
i do not know who this teiull is but they sound like a strange creature
sick belfry
both are unbalanced, but which is worse can be debated until the end of light itself
sand umbra
I wanna see a teiull rant
a who rant
oblique geyser
Teiull
royal tapir
A teiull rant
royal tapir
The fact that you don’t know makes it better tbh
sand umbra
wtf !!!
deft yew
teiull is a terraria tester
royal tapir
She uhh
oblique geyser
Teiull is a Terraria tester who is very opinionated and stubborn and goes on long rants about things like calamity balance or any opposing opinion
royal tapir
Yeah
deft yew
joined early in 1.4.4 and, with leinfors, cracked down on balance HARD
sand umbra
ah
sounds like a fun person to meticulously dismantle the arguments of
drowsy plank
put thomas and teiull in the same room and wait for the thermonuclear explosion
sand umbra
admittedly, I'm a bit rusty, as I haven't been here regularly in quite some time, but I think I could still pull it off
deft yew
put thomas and teiull in the same room and wait for the thermonuclear explosion
and feedza
oblique geyser
Nah because she's too stubborn to accept logical arguments she disagrees with
royal tapir
How much are the tickets to watch this
deft yew
and like, me ig
frosty trellis
How much are the tickets to watch this
Idc I want to watchtoo
hollow shell
and Fabsol just for good measure
deft yew
How much are the tickets to watch this
1 mirsario dollar (nebulous value
deft yew
and Fabsol just for good measure
royal tapir
Okay now we’re in the tens of thousands of USD range
deft yew
LOL
drowsy plank
oh no if you put fab in there too that would just shatter the earth
sand umbra
just put everyone in the room and see who survives the explosion
frosty trellis
Just don't add me because I am living proof that cal's defense nerfs are not nearly enough
deft yew
"nerfs"
oblique geyser
We gotta make a stage channel somewhere
deft yew
"""""nerfs"""""
oblique geyser
For the debate
frosty trellis
"""""nerfs"""""
Ture
sand umbra
me on my way to get banned from Terracord or something dumb like that for dismantlin' Teiull's every argument related to vanilla balance
oblique geyser
teiull got banned from terracord
oblique geyser
For calling out MGT
deft yew
i like this channel i should lurk it more
sand umbra
how do you get banned from the server for the game you test
how does one pull that off
royal tapir
Because it happened long before she was a tester afaik
sand umbra
incredible
sick belfry
something, interesting
oblique geyser
how does one pull that off
MGT is corrupt
oblique geyser
And she called him out and got banned
sand umbra
more reasons to never go to Terracord (I never do to begin with (I was only ever there for the emotes and I haven't even had Nitro in ages))
oblique geyser
We should do the balance debate in nohitcord or smth
glass arch
the mod chat in terracord was pretty laid back when i was there
sand umbra
god, I forgot how nice it is to just
discuss things related to Calamity design in here
oblique geyser
Calamity balance pendulum moment
sand umbra
or, at least, this conversation's been great. feels like it's gotten a lot better since I was last a regular here
not sure if that's the case, but I'll take what I can get :NPCMechanicShrug:
oblique geyser
Suggestion discussion is pretty good
There's also the balance suggestion thread, are you in that?
hollow shell
That's less for heady conceptual item design discussions and more for
killtime testing
at least that's what I assume, I keep it muted :P
glass arch
idk what even happened that made sugg disc not butcher suggesters alive but it is a very good change
frosty trellis
That's less for heady conceptual item design discussions and more for
killtime t...
Generally yeah
sand umbra
idk what even happened that made sugg disc not butcher suggesters alive but it i...
eah
golden sonnet
idk what even happened that made sugg disc not butcher suggesters alive but it i...
there is still some toxicity and dogpiling, but it's overall improved a lot
frosty trellis
But well, that's what I'm here for, to provide a killtime for literally everything that exists
sand umbra
I still remember way back when, when I had to fight tooth and nail just to get half my suggs so much as listened to
royal tapir
Hey MPG can you get a kill time for Slick Cane on King Slime
oblique geyser
Yeah balance suggestions is mainly tierlist nerds
hollow shell
I did fully expect Thomas's suggestion to get the ❗ but then I saw that Thomas made it and I guess that means it gets a pass
If EquinoxShark made it that'd get ❗ in a millisecond
frosty trellis
Hey MPG can you get a kill time for Slick Cane on King Slime
LOL
drowsy plank
shrimply i micromanage it now, obviously
sand umbra
to be fair
oblique geyser
Who is equinox shark
frosty trellis
I did fully expect Thomas's suggestion to get the ❗ but then I saw that Thomas m...
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
sand umbra
I have an uncanny amount of experience with suggs
glass arch
I did fully expect Thomas's suggestion to get the ❗ but then I saw that Thomas m...
yeah if equi made it it would have been exclamed super fast
sand umbra
I'm a bit rusty, of course, but by now I know my way around the don'ts --- and, more importantly, how to sidestep the hell out of 'em
frosty trellis
Who is equinox shark
A common person who suggests a lot of ❗ suggestions because they can't read for the 8 billionth time
oblique geyser
I mean I would have said to outright remove the terra weapons
In fact I did say that in tierlistcord lol
drowsy plank
and they also ignore this chat which is very cool lol
sand umbra
re-themin' the weapons seems like a better option in the case of the Terra and Elemental sets because they're also, like
the best options for their respective progression points
deft yew
I did fully expect Thomas's suggestion to get the ❗ but then I saw that Thomas m...
skull balenciaga emoji
oblique geyser
The terra ones are not
sand umbra
or, at least, the Elemental set is basically The Set You Go With directly post-ML
oblique geyser
Terra Lance is hellion flower spear but worse
sand umbra
your mileage may vary, very heavily, on the Terra set
drowsy plank
i like the idea tbh, and im gonna leave it up until a dev comes in and says it is too much work
oblique geyser
Cosmic Bolter was never relevant
glass arch
and they also ignore this chat which is very cool lol
they either ignore here or act as if we're satan himself for telling them to change the suggestion to not break every single rule
drowsy plank
real
oblique geyser
Terra Disk has mangrove chakram at the same point
Terra Ray sure but it's really boring
sand umbra
Terra Disk can implode
Terra Ray feels like it's in a really weird spot
because any attempt to make it more earthy would put it in direct competition with an item half of you probably don't even remember exists
oblique geyser
Flameburster has havoc breath and elf melter just around it
sand umbra
and that item is Nettle Burst
oblique geyser
Honestly everglade spray could be removed and terra Ray could be a perennial item
sand umbra
yeah, that second Vilethorn upgrade from Plantera that nobody remembers
oblique geyser
And then plantation Staff can be a Plantera drop
sand umbra
why is it not one already
(Pygmy Staff is not a valid answer)
drowsy plank
frankly i do not think thomas's sugg goes far enough because it doesn't ask for the night's items to also be rethemed
the design of night/terra/elemental weapons really holds back what these items in themselves are allowed to do and be, so i am more than ready for them to at least have the shackles loosened a bit, even if they want to keep the connection between recipes
like they do NOT all need to have the same name and color pallet it's 2023 let's move past that
sand umbra
frankly i do not think thomas's sugg goes far enough because it doesn't ask for the night's items to also be rethemed
I could add the Night's weapons
I was originally gonna do that and then figured I wouldn't wanna incidentally overreach on my first sugg back
sand umbra
but the general consensus I've noticed is that the Night's set also sucks
drowsy plank
I think that vagrity helps most suggs, and I think focusing more on this idea of letting the sets themeing be loosened up so the items have more identity beyond "purple, green, rainbow" would be much stronger than just asking them to be reworked alone
cause i think everyone can agree that letting items be Cooler is a Good Thing
drowsy plank
lmao it isnt against the rules so yeah
i still think that simply turning them into their own items would be cooler but i can't stop you from asking them to die lol
cosmic karma
i still think that simply turning them into their own items would be cooler but ...
could do a rework/remove thing
drowsy plank
summoner and mage i think
oblique geyser
i still think that simply turning them into their own items would be cooler but ...
I mean most of them are fully irrelevant and redundant to other weapons so
sick belfry
the terra bow should pierce like 2 then stop at the third, and a slight attack speed boost
oblique geyser
I like how everglade spray is worse than golden shower
drowsy plank
wait really?
glass arch
oh actually
raesh has a suggestion for removal of carnage ray and flesh of infidelity
oblique geyser
wait really?
Yes lol
glass arch
might ask em to resuggest it later
wide river
raesh has a suggestion for removal of carnage ray and flesh of infidelity
Both of which didn't get voted on enough (for some reason)
drowsy plank
also cosmic bolter should stay, it just needs to stop being terra and get a bit of a funtionality retooling
and i think plantation staff is also cool
but yeah otherwise terra ray is just green shadowbolt, lance is just blade 2, flameburster is just green elf melter, and i cant make calls on terra disk because i still haven't tried rogue
sand umbra
I have added Things™️
sick belfry
the flameburster only got a ton of range compared to elf melter tbh
like double it feels
sand umbra
Flameburster is just Elf Melter with fat range and without needin' you to do the Frost Moon to get it
which, like...why?
frosty trellis
i still think that simply turning them into their own items would be cooler but ...
Terra Items should die (Planatation could stay but as a drop from plant not as a terra item)
Elemental weapons just all need to be reworked into their own thing and not just part of the "elemental" theme which doesn't really need to be there and lets people have more creativity with reworks instead of keeping it strict
(Imo)
drowsy plank
the flameburster only got a ton of range compared to elf melter tbh
looks good to me
elemental isnt even a real theme
sand umbra
Planetary Annihilation's entire line could honestly do really well with leanin' into the space theme more
wide river
Terra Items should die (Planatation could stay but as a drop from plant not as a...
Planetary Annihilation and Flowers of Mortality are some really good examples of "Elemental weapons that aren't Elemental weapons"
Because they aren't called Elemental, they can have more freedom with their execution
drowsy plank
like one of the elemental accessories is pre-ML, the weapons are all a post-ML set, and then the rest are post-DoG class emblem upgrades
it's so fucking dumb
sand umbra
Flowers of Mortality only have the Elemental look because someone decided they need to
drowsy plank
Planetary Annihilation's entire line could honestly do really well with leanin' ...
SPACE BOW SPACE BOW SPACE BOW SPACE BOW
sick belfry
I'm confused elf melter isn't a material for anything
sand umbra
where are my heavily-wilted astral flowers that spit projectilized space aids at my enemies, damn you
drowsy plank
it's because elf melter is based 😎
drowsy plank
where are my heavily-wilted astral flowers that spit projectilized space aids at...
SO true
sand umbra
where are they? I'll tell you
nowhere
because someone decided
that THIS
is the look they needed to have
sick belfry
it shouldn't be this dull colored ew
wide river
another big one
And none of them will get voted on because the average voter has approximately 4 brain cells and can't read anything beyond 2 sentences
(Ok that was a bit far but you get the point)
sand umbra
And none of them will get voted on because the average voter has approximately 4...
I distinctly remember this bein' another big issue I had back in the day, actually
hollow ridge
interesting sugg there
sand umbra
y'all know me by now. I write a lot
hollow ridge
lmao
sand umbra
and I do mean a lot
hollow ridge
didnt know copper shortsword had it in em
oblique geyser
idk why it says reposition and you go on to say how all of em are redundant
Because three of them get repositioned and three get removed
sand umbra
now, most voters, bein' stuffed with things to look at as is
they don't give a shit about all that that I write
and so they're like "wow this sugg is way too long get to the point already BYE" and I get no votes
oblique geyser
Retheme is a better idea
wide river
As a major spear lover I can confidently say that Terra Lance is a disappointment
hollow ridge
yea that works
oblique geyser
I changed it already
oblique geyser
As a major spear lover I can confidently say that Terra Lance is a disappointmen...
Terra Lance is literally Hellion but worse
oblique geyser
Hellion has higher base damage AND an additional projectile
sand umbra
Terra Lance fans vs. Hellion Flower Spear enjoyers
oblique geyser
I can't remember whether hellion was low ss or high s tier
cosmic karma
Terra Lance fans vs. Hellion Flower Spear enjoyers
terra lance fans:
wide river
terra lance fans:
(All two of them)
oblique geyser
Gilded Proboscis is true melee though
sick belfry
the flameburster looks cool so I wish it could reworked in a way
oblique geyser
Terra Lance and Hellion have almost exactly the same function
sand umbra
Gilded Proboscis is true melee though
true
wide river
I had a cool idea for reworking Elemental Lance
Never got around to sharing it with anyone though
sick belfry
slight homing, idk anything really
sand umbra
but also doesn't Tenebreus Tides exist like right before Ele Lance
oblique geyser
Idk how you make a homing flamethrower
oblique geyser
but also doesn't Tenebreus Tides exist like right before Ele Lance
Donor weapon
sand umbra
doesn't that shoot projectiles or am I stoopid
oblique geyser
And also designed specifically to shred deus
sand umbra
ah, yes
deft yew
ele lance is redundancy incarnate the more i think about it
sand umbra
the classic case of weapons specifically designed to shred certain bosses
which become ass if the boss is changed
oblique geyser
Ele lance isn't super redundant it's just horribly designed
sand umbra
(le cough. DoG. le cough)
oblique geyser
I think it's C Tier on the tierlist because it nukes provi but is absolutely abysmal on everything else
cosmic karma
5 minute dragonfolly 
sick belfry
cool weapons being bad hurt the most tbh
oblique geyser
5 minute dragonfolly <a:aware:1016662930147774534>
Yeah
I had to test this
I don't like dragonfolly
This was pain
sand umbra
5 and a half minute Dragonfolly sounds awful
oblique geyser
I mean I also did a 13 minute SCal and 7 minute Yharon
wide river
I will once again defer to my "Elemental weapon opinion list" and say that Lance needs either a rework or death
oblique geyser
Guess the weapon
deft yew
5 and a half minute Dragonfolly sounds awful
"RANDOM [Draconic Swarmers] GO!"
oblique geyser
If you're in tierlistcord you can't guess
hollow shell
grr redundant suggestions in posting simultaneously
glass arch
Guess the weapon
nadir
wide river
I think Thomas's suggestion should refocus to just the Elemental or Night's Edge stuff, to avoid redundancy
sand umbra
"RANDOM [Draconic Swarmers] GO!"
Lynel was sent to Ocram's House by approximately Too Goddamn Many Draconic Swarmers.
wide river
Atm it's too broadly focused, asking for three whole weapon sets to be rethemed and removed
sand umbra
I think Thomas's suggestion should refocus to just the Elemental or Night's Edge...
bruh sound effect 2
I only added Night's because the general consensus is that Night's sucks just as much
I had originally focused on Terra and Elemental
because Terra, while nice lookin' as an aesthetic, is thematically a relic of a bygone era
and Elemental just genuinely sucks ass as a theme and isn't even really one in the first place because some of the stuff that should be in it's on a completely different tier
glass arch
before iban left he had concept art for elemental weapon resprites
sand umbra
I actually like this sugg, though I would like to point out an inconsistency
glass arch
before iban left he had concept art for elemental weapon resprites
ill see if i can scrounge it up
sand umbra
you can't stack Sun/Moon Stone and tinkers (anymore? not sure if you could in the past)
hollow ridge
💀 moon stone
wide river
I had originally focused on Terra and Elemental
because Terra, while nice lookin...
Yes well as much as I agree with it, I also concede that there are two suggestions asking for pretty much the same sort of idea, and will sap each other's votes
So either you need to remove the Terra weapon part of your suggestion, or Wyvern needs to remove their suggestion entirely
drowsy plank
you can't stack Sun/Moon Stone and tinkers (anymore? not sure if you could in th...
im talking about yharim's insignia and elemental gauntlet actually
sand umbra
oh
WELP. as I said, I'm rusty
I also haven't played Calamity myself in a hot minute
sand umbra
most of my memory of the mod is based off of whatever the hell I look at for my own purposes
and whatever I hear from other people
I no longer have the mental capacity to commit half my brain to rememberin' every item in the mod and why probably 80-90% of them still suck (big sad)
drowsy plank
what do you have some kind of... life?? or something??? tch. weirdo 
sand umbra
definitely more of one than I had when I was originally a regular in here, I'll tell ya that much
glass arch
ill see if i can scrounge it up
i could not scrounge it up
sand umbra
(they could not scrounge it up)
glass arch
i had it somewhere
wide river
Well since we're in a good rhythm of asking for boring old stuff to be changed
Feedback
Rework the Auric Soul Artifact
Auric Soul Artifact, formerly called Godly Soul Artifact, got renamed due to a recent lore rewrite. It's supposed to be connected to Auric Souls, and while it does make a connection to these, the connection isn't executed very well, as it gives benefits to a summon dropped by Yharon: Yharon's Kindle Staff. However, it only gives boosts to this single summon, and is useless with everything else, even other Draconic-themed items. As such, it remains as an incredibly niche accessory, and is unusable with any other strategies. While niche accessories are fine normally, this specific niche is so pointless that it's worse than using... just using a different summon. Due to this, I feel it should be reworked, and have a better effect than just "hey this one summon gets mildly buffed".
royal tapir
sand umbra
society if I had gotten anyone else on board the synergy train back when DD was still alive
(maybe then ASA could actually have a legitimate effect and still keep the Kindle Staff buff)
drowsy plank
😭
glass arch
no more of those bc iban left
wide river
ok just had to look at another server
IBAN ART 😭
I miss it so much
cosmic karma
scissors ark
sand umbra
this reminds me of a point I wanted to make about Elemental Axe specifically
Elemental Axe, at least to me, geniunely feels like a waste of potential for a post-ML summon made with a bunch of space bullshit
you have the opportunity to make it into almost anything you'd like and you make...
...a basic AI floatin' axe that doesn't even have a proper sprite
wide river
"Oh goodie this summon just yeets toward the target, this hasn't been done like 90 times already"
quiet kernel
Tbh ele axe is very old
sand umbra
the best part is that the item can only be used as a summon weapon despite bein' a massive axe
wide river
"Oh goodie this summon just yeets toward the target, this hasn't been done like ...
Ice Claspers:
Terraprisma:
Like 40% at minimum of flying summons:
sand umbra
Ice Claspers are gettin' redone
Terraprisma is really basic from an AI standpoint but uniquely looks cool as hell while doin' it so who cares
royal tapir
Terraprisma cannot be lumped into that
wide river
Ice Claspers are gettin' redone
Yes but like
This is endgame
You can't justify boring summon AI at this point
sand umbra
the rest of the flyin' summons, for the most part, suck from an AI perspective and from a coolness perspective
so nobody cares about them, but for a different and far more depressin' reason than Terraprisma
drowsy plank
imagine ele axe but the summons are on right click and the left click was an actual active weapon
that would be cool
sand umbra
what if the summons were tied to the melee attack somehow as well
wide river
imagine ele axe but the summons are on right click and the left click was an act...
What if the left click was a beam that charges up for a second
sand umbra
like, you slap something with the melee attack, the summons do more (whips do this, why can't the axe)
if the summons hit something enough, the axe does more against that something for a short time
something that encourages a more active playstyle without resortin' to just throwin' a whip at your face and callin' it a day
wide river
True melee summoner real
sand umbra
the axe would be so hard to hit with
it's only a little bit smaller than the Biome Blade in its current state
could also be. made larger
since it could really use the resprite either way
glass arch
True melee summoner real
something something photon ripper my favorite summon weapon
sand umbra
True melee summoner real
basically, like
if you wanna make multiclassin' more of an option
don't shoehorn in an armor set at the end of the game that doesn't know how to support it
add natural options for multiclassin' throughout the game
no, I'm not mad about Gem Tech bein' useless at the stage of the game you get it because:
- its damage threshold for losin' gems gets crossed by normal enemies let alone bosses
- the gems provide about half the bonuses of an actual set and don't provide bonuses while dead
- the gems deal pitiful damage for the game stage (40k is your goddamn DPS at that point) when they die
- the gems stay dead for half a minute, which is more than enough time for you to get ripped open because the set gives like no defense
drowsy plank
wide river
I think there's already kind of a "multiclass armor progression", as it were
Ore armors>Mollusk>Reaver>Astral>Omega Blue>Fearmonger>Gem Tech>Demonshade
Yes while there are some gaps here and there, you can certainly beat the game like that
drowsy plank
lmao ore to mollusk
wide river
lmao ore to mollusk
It's a gap I'm planning on using well
sand umbra
ore armors against WoF let's go
drowsy plank
you could at least include shadow/crimson
wide river
Tbh I forget those exist
glass arch
yeah because they're at the same point molten is unlocked
tired haven
Terraprisma cannot be lumped into that
Terraprisma has sanguine AI (with modifications) and sanguine yeets itself into a target 
bright crag
Removing Terra in favor of Perennial? lmao xd
Unironically, interesting decision
Both sets of weapons need either rework or deletion
We've discussed them, though we haven't reached a conclusion since Perennial is a very entangled set and Terra has been discussed in parallel
drowsy plank
Perennial at least has cool weapons and ideas behind it
Terra has always just been a mistake to turn into a set tbqh
bright crag
The armor is great
90% of the weapons suck
sand umbra
Hellion Flower Spear is just better Terra Lance, from what I understand
deft yew
wait hang on
sand umbra
Everglade Spray can die and be replaced by the newly-displaced Terra-No-Longer Ray
glass arch
changing terra weapons to perennial would give more of a reason to go out of your way to get perennial
drowsy plank
YEAH
sand umbra
Hellkite takes Perennial
drowsy plank
IT'S SO DUMB
bright crag
Perennial really needs a rework
sand umbra
I've suggested before that it take the fire essence cores instead
that didn't go through
I don't know why
they're the same tier. nothing changes
bright crag
It's just a bit hard to make a decision on it because we have like 15 different ideas in dev
deft yew
why not like
make perennial entirely a utility/support set and leave the combat stuff to the other options on tier
drowsy plank
perrenial cactus 
deft yew
we do not need this many weapons
deft yew
perrenial cactus <:CalSmug:890749784963551272>
ture
glass arch
changing terra weapons to perennial would give more of a reason to go out of you...
the armor, while very cool, doesnt fit every playstyle, and the weapons... exist i guess
but almost every class uses their terra weapons afaik
bright crag
And there's a lot to consider for Perennial, mainly Life Alloy
glass arch
life alloy is literally just obligatory combo material
ok but consider
it looks cool
deft yew
ok but consider
it looks cool
I’M KILLING YOU. I’m killing you! I don’t care about anything else, I don’t give a crap about anything else, my- my programming is just get that guy right now. It doesn’t- there is no, like, “Oh he’s running oh back off a little!” no it’s just
bright crag
Yeah, I don't see the problem with a combo material
deft yew
i suppose so
bright crag
The thing is, we have to consider how our changes would affect Life Alloy and whether we should move the content to Life Alloy and retheme it around that
I'm not joking when I say there's like 15 ideas for Perennial
drowsy plank
the main problem is life alloy is primarily used in elemental items but it's obtainable post-Golem because it's just the three bars slapped together so it can feel repetitive at times bc that only thing locking it is having the items
maybe if it was made at an ancient manipulator at least that could help
bright crag
It's a multi-layered problem and there are multiple proposed changes to each layer
bright crag
Not that
sick belfry
ok
bright crag
Moreso like
Picture a hypothetical where there's 3 variables for an idea
Tier, obtainment, size
Tier has the proposals a, b and c
Obtainment has proposals m, n and l
Size has proposals y and z
Someone prefers a-m-z, another person prefers b-n-z, another one c-m-y, another b-l-y
See what I mean
drowsy plank
oh boy
bright crag
Multilayered problem with like 15 permutations
15 different paths to take
sick belfry
jesus
bright crag
Which we'll need to discuss
Unlike Cryonic which is like, just come up with cool theme and cool weapons, and discuss plans with others
Very straightforward
sick belfry
cryonic looks like it just need resprites and some changes
compared to perennial, which is kinda forgettable at best
bright crag
It'll get a full rework
Almost entirely new weapons, reworked armor, better thematic foundation
sick belfry
ooh neat, cool (heh) to see that in the future
pine star
Perennial just has reaver armor as something interesting?
I guess
sick belfry
assuming it might change to be class specific or something
bright crag
Only one Cryonic weapon is staying, Daedalus Golem
Well, Darklight Greatsword will remain too, but we won't consider that as pure Cryonic
pine star
I must admit, I've never used a perennial weapon in combat
bright crag
Cryonic will have two helmets, Summoner and Rogue
(The classes that are lacking, comparatively, at that tier)
sick belfry
spider armor does slighlty fall off at that part
idk about rogue (hasn't chosen to play a build of it yet)
pine star
I'm not sure how far titan heart armor can carry you
bright crag
swift wharf
i see
deft yew
so is this like
bright crag
We chose Summoner and Rogue because other classes already get a ton of options from HM ores
deft yew
do the materials exist separately
do they have other uses or are they just there to make the one bar
bright crag
do the materials exist separately
Yeah
Still a bit undecided, how they'll be used in recipes
swift wharf
hope they're used somewhere else too because it would be weird
considering essence of eleum already is a thing
bright crag
Eleum could probably get more uses
I remember discussing that in Dev not too long ago
swift wharf
Technically already used in cores of eleum recipes
sick belfry
out of left field, let me use those crystals in a specific ranger weapon with different effects for both crystals. I want more unique ammo for weapons
swift wharf
based actually
(shoutout to slr ammo gotta be one of my favorite genders
((affected by gravity bullets my beloved
fervent orbit
((affected by gravity bullets my beloved
mmmm i like my bow gun
sick belfry
let me use a gun that uses bar ore as it's ammo
swift wharf
kid named wulfrum
sick belfry
wulfrum bar yoo
swift wharf
it do be funny to load an entire fucking bar into the feeding system of a gun tbh
fervent orbit
did you know wulfrum blunderbuss doesnt count as a gun for some reason
bright crag
Cryonic will have 1 weapon for Melee, Ranged, Mage
2 for Summoner and Rogue
Hope you'll enjoy using them
I'm especially fond of the ranged, mage and rogue ones
fervent orbit
just make mineral mortar shoot actual minerals
swift wharf
true....
pine star
is the melee weapon darklight greatsword or is it something entirely new?
bright crag
And the set bonuses for the armors will be unique
pine star
Interesting
bright crag
Darklight won't be considered pure Cryonic anymore
swift wharf
was it ever
fervent orbit
Cryonic will have 1 weapon for Melee, Ranged, Mage
2 for Summoner and Rogue
Hope...
so just like aerialite, 2 weapons for the related classes, 1 for the others
bright crag
Yeah
It's a pattern we aim to maintain
fervent orbit
oh ok good
swift wharf
damn now it kinda is cryo because the other sword died
the other sword that i forgot the name
pine star
damn now it kinda is cryo because the other sword died
admittedly, trinity is very mediocre
swift wharf
vicinity or smth
sick belfry
fires rebar rods- oh wait
shadowspec bar fired at mach 3 against yharim
swift wharf
trinity
fervent orbit
i dont know how to say it
bright crag
Every class gets something out of it
But some classes are privileged by that set
bright crag
The rebar weapon from SLR look awesome
fervent orbit
it seems like a good way to do it, but it may impede a material actually being used as material
swift wharf
it IS
bright crag
One of my favorites, if not my favorite ranged weapon there
sick belfry
let me make the most expensive costing gun to shoot
shadowspec bar rifle
would go hard
swift wharf
i love the magmite gun
non whip tag damage weapons my beloved
and also the funny squid mount
🤩
name one boring slr weapon i dare you
(moonfury but the attack is cool so i forgive it
((im too used to starfury being hypertuned by cal that the slr upgrade feels slow but anyways suggestiontalking
fervent orbit
holy shit a sequal to sunfury
swift wharf
real...
fervent orbit
ive never played slr
bright crag
I haven't yet
swift wharf
swift wharf
it doesnt have major bugs
at least I was pretty bug free
except for the fact that i couldn't progress a thing but that is fixed
swift wharf
what
crude geode
I really like how Wyvern and Thomas’ suggs are definitely gonna split votes
swift wharf
It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
fervent orbit
so true
or
"it conflicts with plans"
and then no dev ever says what said "plans" are
swift wharf
so called future plans when the implementation walks in
fervent orbit
TERRARIA WTF
hollow ridge
~~It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided i...
yeah that seems likely
or a 🔒 maybe
bright crag
Out of curiosity, what Calamity set do you think has the most potential?
And what would you like it to be like/what type of items would you like to see on it
fervent orbit
try to fix lunar armours (impossible challenge)
pine star
I really like how Wyvern and Thomas’ suggs are definitely gonna split votes
spoiler effect rears its ugly head
pine star
rogue simp spotted
@ Feedza
fervent orbit
i love tome of fates omg i love how it literally gets used for 1 tier then immediately upgrades omg its the best design choice ever mode holy shit
crude geode
Auric is the one that comes to mind for potential first but also idk if it has the most potential
swift wharf
tome of fates be like
material
end of tooltip
auric has ungodly amount of potential
but godslayer is not being changed ever
swift wharf
it's ok
hollow ridge
Out of curiosity, what Calamity set do you think has the most potential?
demonshade prolly silva and god slayer maybe
swift wharf
it hides the fact that godslayer helmets
deft yew
wait hang on a minute
deft yew
Out of curiosity, what Calamity set do you think has the most potential?
Bloodflare
swift wharf
subscribe if you relate deeply to every 2.5 seconds, firing a ranged weapons also fires a god-killing shrapnel round.
crude geode
deft yew
skull balenciaga emoji
swift wharf
im not gonna even mention the rogue helm
fervent orbit
tml trying to convince devs that 1.4.4 is stable:
swift wharf
i think thats a skill issue
deft yew
honestly quite incredible
swift wharf
crowd laugh
byeah bloodflare has also some epic potential
just kill all relations to polter
ez
swift wharf
we live in a society where polterghast mine but not
hollow ridge
😻
deft yew
And what would you like it to be like/what type of items would you like to see o...
since i never expanded on that lol:
bloodflare should be ANGRY, it should send the user into a FLYING RAGE, the weapons should be BRUTAL and NASTY and have really long animations and hitstall for impact
deft yew
mutilator should be like if volcano had the frark swing
drowsy plank
add the blood effects from SLR's blood moon weapons
swift wharf
i remember a bloodflare concept thing
SO TRUE
blood crossbow my beloved
unfortunately does not work on man eaters im so sad
drowsy plank
like maybe not exactly that but cal already has an internal differentiation between organic and in-organic targets
it would be so awesome
it would be so cool
deft yew
it would be so awesome
it would be so cool
-point blank shots
swift wharf
fervent orbit
tml trying to convince devs that 1.4.4 is stable:
ok i verified file integrity and it still doesnt work
drowsy plank
lol
swift wharf
terraria moment
fervent orbit
terraria moment
no i blame tmodloader
swift wharf
it's telling you that you should uninstall the game
fervent orbit
theyre trying to brainwash us that its staable
glass arch
tml trying to convince devs that 1.4.4 is stable:
this reminds me of whenever i tried to open 1.4 tmod on my old pc
drowsy plank
Out of curiosity, what Calamity set do you think has the most potential?
also personally i think stratus is one of the most underutilized themings in the whole mod
i love space i love space themed shit but then every single stratus weapon is just like. Blue Dust
i want stratus armor fight me
swift wharf
we live in a society where polterghast mine but not
btw does anyone use the summon
crude geode
Which one
drowsy plank
dragonblood disgorger?
bright crag
Stratus is cool, yeah :)
glass arch
i use disgorger sometimes
fervent orbit
yea its really good
swift wharf
lunar tier two but cosmic
fervent orbit
just not on dog
swift wharf
👁️ 👄
glass arch
i dont use stratus gear because i forget it exists
fervent orbit
dragonblood:
swift wharf
i enjoy the idea of destroying my enemies with a fucking planet
could have them tweaks doe
crude geode
I think all of the auric set has a lot of potential that is forgone in favor of lazily copying and pasting effects
drowsy plank
dragonblood disgorger kinda fuckin schnasty rn people just didnt realize
crude geode
Truly a cal moment
swift wharf
auric has infinite potential for being The The final set
currently
i did have an idea of auric going completely crazy with the setbonuses and each helm using an early game acc
but killing frost barrier because fuck frost barrier
fervent orbit
just make it use sthe shrine items totally the best solution
swift wharf
DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE
bright crag
Auric should definitely have some badass individualized set bonuses
Well, to be fair
The new armors already do
But I mean even more individualized
swift wharf
like melee auric helm would use fucking uhhhh feral claws or shackle and be chainsaw theme and go tainted samson on your enemies
mhage would use nature gift and be blue flower themed and cast thorns and shit
bright crag
I hope Auric uses its tech and dragon power themes
fervent orbit
ok but seriously why the fuck isnt 1.4.4 working i hate this
swift wharf
but when I came up with those ideas it was before the new lore so XD
bright crag
Each helmet having a cool spin on that basic premise
sick belfry
so what item would ranger use, is there a pre hm range specific (or mostly) accessory
bright crag
Kinda
Do you mean a type of dragon, or an individual dragon?
fervent orbit
"“impure” Dragon species.
Wyverns, basilisks, Pigrons and the like" iirc
swift wharf
either works
maybe have the armor effects be really techy and tesla themed
and the setbonus itself be draconic in some way
fervent orbit
just give us helmets based on the dragon offshoots
bright crag
I do think it could have some cool draconic effects that use tech
A technological usage of ancient draconic powers
swift wharf
for example
fervent orbit
maybe have the armor effects be really techy and tesla themed
and the setbonus i...
creates shit on hit
press [idfk] to create a large pulse of electricity around you
swift wharf
the concept of using tyranny's end, a super high tech sniper rifle
and imbue with ancient draconic energy
is cool
bright crag
True
swift wharf
el paralelos............
fervent orbit
the concept of using tyranny's end, a super high tech sniper rifle
and imbue wit...
tyrannys end is donor so fuck you actually
swift wharf
i will kill him and take his place
glass arch
just give us helmets based on the dragon offshoots
summoner helmet has a stardust guardian-esque mechanical dragonfolly as part of the set bonus
fervent orbit
i will kill him and take his place
gl finding "Inascet"
bright crag
Imagine not wanting your item to be dragon-themed 
swift wharf
bright crag
Can't relate
glass arch
:flonshed:
hybrid steeple
literally the least donor donor item
fervent orbit
stip do you have your item thought of and everything
hybrid steeple
anti materiel rifle feels far more like a donor item than tyrannys
swift wharf
something something ranged auric makes so you can focus your shots and zoom in your screen and fire a super powerful shot and then you doragon it and anime blast enemies away
bright crag
Thought of? Yeah
Coded? Not yet
glass arch
some donor items dont feel like donor items (tyrannys end)
some non-donor items feel like donor items (lucrecia)
fervent orbit
something something ranged auric makes so you can focus your shots and zoom in y...
so just make anomolys nanogun cooler?
swift wharf
whats that item
i mean some donor items just feel like items
aka the non references
some are just weird tho
fervent orbit
swift wharf
(i am staring at you kevin catalyst)
fervent orbit
lclick is brr
swift wharf
kelvin is literally cryo drops the sequel
bright crag
Aerialite has a really cool theme for its armor, it has simple effects but hopefully will look quite cool
fervent orbit
Aerialite has a really cool theme for its armor, it has simple effects but hopef...
proof?
glass arch
it was revealed to me in a dream
bright crag
I wrote Cryonic weapons and armor around the theme of crystal ice mist
glass arch
anyways time to think of concepts for unique auric set bonuses for fun
fervent orbit
proof of the cool effects that you speak of
bright crag
Well, I'm not gonna tell you what they are
fervent orbit
damn
swift wharf
it sends you up to the air and you fall and die
fervent orbit
wat if i ask again
bright crag
Source: I made it the fuck up
(I did in fact write it)
fervent orbit
so true
bright crag
Cryonic is pretty homogeneous in its crystal ice mist theme, with a tint of norse inspirations
fervent orbit
ah
deft yew
like melee auric helm would use fucking uhhhh feral claws or shackle and be chai...
yes i need melee to be BRUTALITY
deft yew
i need bloodflare to be VICIOUS MONSTER armor and you MURDER
fervent orbit
.WE DIDNT FINIS
swift wharf
shoutout to when melee weapons feel chunky and like you're actually trying to tear through someones flesh
bright crag
Aerialite has a basic premise that splits into 3 types of functionality
One for most weapons, one for two weapons, and one for both armors
Oh yeah
Aerialite whip got renamed
Oops
fervent orbit
FUCK
bright crag
You already have a lot though
I'll give you another cookie: the weapons with distinct functionality are the whip and Dragon Fang
deft yew
shoutout to when melee weapons feel chunky and like you're actually trying to te...
YES
give mutilator a big strong swing with enormous hitstall
slr sawblade or something
bright crag
Cal needs to use screenshake more tbh
Weapons need that oomph
Hopefully Aerialite whip's ability will have it
fervent orbit
mmm found it
drowsy plank
is kelvin catalyst gonna get a rebranding with cryonic or is it still mostly cryogen themed?
now that's making me wonder if cryo himself will get any changes to better fit cryonic or if they're trying to space the two out more
deft yew
is kelvin catalyst dedicated content
drowsy plank
kelvin is donor but id assume with a large chunk of its requisent items possibly changing, that they'd likely contact the donor about it
wouldnt be the first time
swift wharf
no deep issue with it
just the fact that when you think about it, it's cryo drops two
silly weapon
deft yew
avalanche is cool and all but i want it to die
crude geode
A lot of Cryogen stuff will likely get deleted
Thank fuck
deft yew
swift wharf
worm boot
crude geode
Cryogen is a large part of the reason I fucking despise the ice half of ice/fire weapons
swift wharf
👢
crude geode
Bc both are so prevelant, but I have a boss to point to when I wanna complain about the ice half
wide river
Out of curiosity, what Calamity set do you think has the most potential?
Bit of a late response, but Scoria/Hydrothermic
The whole set is really cool, what with it being volcanic-themed, but a lot of the special effects are just "explosion on hit"
The armor itself is decent too, but the set bonuses are incredibly ech
(Side note a volcano summon would be really cool)
(No not Hydrothermic Vent that doesn't exist)
I just feel it could have some really cool stuff done with it, but it feels overshadowed by the Life Alloy and Plague stuffs unlocked at the exact same time
swift wharf
steam armor
wide river
Steam armor when Playstation weapon walks in
frosty trellis
"No, not hydrothermic vent, that doesn't exist"
I love that
bright crag
It's nice to see such varied answers :)
winter anchor
if i want to make a suggestion like "making us of the "asset needed"channel on the calamity art sever" where should i post it ?
swift wharf
uhhh
first of all that's calamity art server business
second of all what does that mean
winter anchor
it hasn't been used for 3 whole years and it would give a direction to work for the benevolent guys who give free resprite for item
glass arch
well
glass arch
they still havent gotten the sprite they wanted in there
well, more specifically, they havent accepted a submitted one
swift wharf
there's a whole new asset submission system
wide river
they still havent gotten the sprite they wanted in there
Maybe someday we'll have the God Slayer Wings
But today is not that day
glass arch
there's a whole new asset submission system
assets needed is more of completely new sprites, not resprites of already existing things
winter anchor
yes but like after 3 years maybe they should go for something else ?
glass arch
currently the dev team can probably handle most everything for new sprites, or just dont need many completely new sprites, so the channel hasnt been used
swift wharf
submissions is not jusr for sprites
also I think you should ask this
in the art channel
glass arch
true ye
but its mainly used for sprites
swift wharf
art server*
wide river
In any case, for whatever you're trying to get across, you can send a message to the staff mail in the Calamity Art Server
They'll be able to answer you far better than us suggestion people
winter anchor
yhea that's why i asked where to ask in the first place
so thank for the answers !
eager bobcat
That place is an unmoderated hellhole lmao
drowsy plank
cobalt pewter
Kelvin, afaik, won't be changed
I think my issue with Kelvin so far is just that it's not aggressive enough atm
the only thing that could put the weapon to full potential around the tier is oreos
but idk I am not a tester
north oracle
Catalyst is already strong, it doesn't really need to be reworked
crude geode
@drowsy plank the first two sentences of your sugg make very little sense? It feels like you're assuming the reader knows what you're talking about, and it feels very unclear to me, someone who generally knows what celestial shell and moon stone do
drowsy plank
the stats r the same
crude geode
more time should be spent explaining the problem than the possible solutions
crude geode
the stats r the same
that doesn't really explain a lot. you're assuming the person reading your stuff knows what you're talking about, and the suggestion populus generally needs some explanation. especially if you're gonna start your sugg with a meme line.
while it makes sense if I decipher the first line, I shouldn't have to decipher a meme line to figure out the problem with the item, before glazing over the three possible solutions you're bringing up, that will inevitably not matter that much
crude geode
yeah that seems better
I'd still argue that the sugg takes a lot of text for possible solutions, which makes me want to glaze over it, but at least I know what the sugg is talking about now
crude geode
no
crude geode
I do mean glaze
it's because it all feels the same and my eyes just interpet it as words rather than reading it in depth
eager bobcat
I disagree that the Celestial shell should be nerfed. At least not a 50% nerf. Its powerful for sure, but doesn't it make way more sense to buff Yharim's insignia, the item that comes much later in progression?
cobalt pewter
I thought glance accomplishes the same purpose
eager bobcat
wait maybe I misread things
wide river
I disagree that the Celestial shell should be nerfed. At least not a 50% nerf. I...
What
If Celestial Shell is overtuned, buffing other things is not the solution
eager bobcat
had a few beers
eager bobcat
What
If Celestial Shell is overtuned, buffing other things is not the solution
I disagree that it is overtuned
crude geode
that's glaze?
cobalt pewter
gotcha
ancient geyser
hi calamitians
high nest
the only change id care to see for shell is adding a combined werewolf/merfolk buff while underwater at night
crude geode
isn't celestial shell like a 50% damage buff or something extremely stupid like that
high nest
10%
cobalt pewter
[[tgc: Celestial Shell]]
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
(idk if cal has its stats altered)
(couldn't be bothered to check)
[[Vanilla changes]]
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
small timber
this might be a hot take or shit take depend on how you see it: I agree with "rebalancing" moon stone line but I do not agree with how the suggestion propose to do it;
Just to avoid confusion this is (from my understanding) how the suggestion proposed to change (I assume not all of them have to be applicable at the sametime of course):
- Moon and Sun stone should lose strength (by themselves) because their upgrade combine their effect and duration but not boosting stat is "awful game design" because Cosmolight exist
- Progression nerf + maybe a stat nerf
- Split (?) Moon Charm's strength to Neptune Shell
Now here is my opinion part:
For 1) I think it is perfectly fine for their effect to be solely combined instead of an upgrade, this attribute is more for the fact that time is so easily manipulatable for the sake of QoL and most relevant bosses during this progression (namely mech bosses) are only fightable at night and do not really have to do with the fact that "just a QoL not an upgrade is awful game design" (I will explain why I think it do not need to be heavily nerfed later)
For 2) is maybe the closest I will propose the change (as I have also suggested a similar change to tier shift it before), while 3) definitely do not make sense because of similar reasoning for 1), if anything is maybe just make Neptune Shell's transformation give similar stat to werewolf transformation but of course that just make the accessory even better (because notable thing is werewolf and merefolk can never be active at the sametime thus it do not make sense for their strength be splitted among 2 forms)
Now this is even more subjective reason based on my own opinion on how "power progression" should work:
- I think it is fine for accessories to be "progressively more powerful", because that introduce "chase item" to the player which to most player is what exactly they are seeking for, not over balanced sidegrades that calamity focus on too much nowadays
- in this sense I think it is less "moon stone is too powerful" than "yharim insignia and elemental gauntlet is underbalanced", because moonstone essentially is a conditional mechanical glove that is possible preboss but require luck to get a solar eclipse and farm the item
- the fact is that at this day our "end game" item is still based on 15% damage (literally start of HM stat from emblem) with some additional benefit including a 5% crit, thats it
definitely didn't forgot about this and type this 1 hour too late
cobalt pewter
wall of text has awoken
small timber
it was meant to be typed 1 hour before where there was no conversation but here it is I guess
eager bobcat
I can get behind nerfing the sun and moon stones I guess, but it feels weird. The celestial shell intuits quite logically as a combination of its components rather than an upgrade. There's something to be said about the interaction between werewolf form and the Cosmolite I suppose.
cobalt pewter
combination accs in Terraria SUCKS
crude geode
I do think it's silly to say the elemental items are fine when like. emblems exist
cobalt pewter
it's just layering the same effects all over
it's like YouTubers making react videos
their addition do not morph the content under fair use
crude geode
also question
eager bobcat
That's a weird take. What's inherently wrong with it, besides being uncreative?
crude geode
isn't this just balancing thread
small timber
not really because they posted the moon stone line rework under suggestion-posting
crude geode
I'm not posting it at you, moreso cogni
small timber
so it will be weird for me to reply in the balancing thread instead
crude geode
cuz it feels like that should have been put in balance in the first place
small timber
for that I don't think so, mainly because the intend is not nerf/buff but rework
drowsy plank
tbf the main reason i wanted to halve moon stone's effect is because it's strength is kind of wacky and even for non-night bosses like Queen Slime and the mech alts you can abuse the high power level, while Celestial Stone is basically an item that exists for approimately 0.5 seconds in most player's inventories
cobalt pewter
instant upgrades momentum
drowsy plank
doing this would make Celestial Stone more of an actual item instead of a thing you click to get it's upgrade, while also bringing down the absurd strength of moon
furthermore it seems like most people agree that the fact merfolk does basically nothing is also dumb
small timber
I think purely stat wise not effect wise, the later accessories should have been much higher than they currently is, and it have nothing to do with "power creep"
drowsy plank
destroyer emblem when it when you when
small timber
because trust me 99% of player do not care if yharim insigina is super balanced to fire gauntlet that they basically have similar but potentially maybe slightly better benefit so that it do not break game balance, most people just want to get better stuff
but instead majority of items is just "here post-progression side grades" except elemental which is like "well this is objectively better because it have slightly more stat"
crude geode
I agree with xpc that I'd rather see ele gauntlet have more than nerf the celestial shell to have tiny ass buffs when, looking at the wiki, it ALREADY feels like tiny ass stat buffs
cobalt pewter
random funny but it'd be silly if Celestial Stone has a drawback (?) of accelerating time while equipped
(not sure if I can call that drawback because yes, you'd probably have shorter boss fight time limit on some but does it really matter)
drowsy plank
oh i get that but still what is basically a melee destroyer emblem pre-Mechs is dumb
small timber
similar to how we keep complaining void of extinction giving 12% damage instead of 15% is kind of stupid
drowsy plank
i suppose
cobalt pewter
oldlamity mo
small timber
I think it definitely have more to do with the fact that melee speed suddenly get repurposed and work on projectile sword than anything, because it used to be just "good"
drowsy plank
i can remove criticism about c. shell but i still think most of my other points are valid, and even in progression im only asking to move it from post-Golem to post-Moon Lord which i dont think is too much fo a jump for something so strong
fair
small timber
and melee speed is a global issue rather than specific accessory issue
crude geode
instant upgrade points are valid imo, they likely will be most of the time
small timber
but yeah tbh "rebalance stats on accessory progression" is way too ambitious so I think best solution (for now) is definitely just tier shift, but not heavy stat nerf as proposed
drowsy plank
okay ill remove the small mention of stat nerfs in relation to c stone and c shell but
i still think moon stone needs to get bonked
cobalt pewter
yeah tier shift is most likely to happen out of this sugg
drowsy plank
i think splitting moon stone and sun stone to be slightly weaker than celestial stone so when they come together it feels more like a real upgrade, while also tuning down their power levels, would all be good things
high nest
move neptunes shell to much later for retier but buff the shit out of it :v
eager bobcat
I'm generally against tier shifting or messing with base terraria content too much, but I would be fine with shifting C Shell. Though I'd prefer it to be left alone
drowsy plank
c shells should at least be the one to get frags or SOMETHING because rn as soon as you get sun stone you just slap that shit together like it's nothing