suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

post plantera brainrot

[eager bobcat]

this is another thing that came to mind. Initially my suggestion was for something similar to thing, and tied to progression, but I was afraid of making it too specific, so I just left it at any way to implement better ammo holding

[ashen warren]

part of me has always wanted a quick swap wheel for ammo, but that would be such a balancing nightmare

[swift wharf]

not really tbh

considering you can already pause the game to swap ammo

[glass arch]

its the same thing as having loadouts

it doesnt break balance because you can already do something of similar function with hotswapping armor and accessories

[swift wharf]

yeah

[eager bobcat]

suggestion edited

[cobalt pewter]

Risk of Terrain mod does that for one of its accessories I think

[ivory galleon]

an item that increases ammo slots would be cool

kind of like demon heart of the celestial onion

[drowsy plank]

all that adding QoL things like loadouts and ammo slots does is reduce the skill cap on something that already exists in the game

and if u turn on autopause

then something that takes 0 skill still takes 0 skill it's just that people who dont use autopause can also do it now

honestly an autopause hotkey toggle would be useful

surprised that doesnt exist yet

[crude geode]

Probably bc people don’t really acknowledge autopause

[drowsy plank]

autopause is funny

[wide river]

I only ever used autopause on 1.3 console
For some reason it got iffy after the 1.4 update, so I stopped
I do hear about how it can be used to exploit a lot of stuff though, like Nurse healing

[grave zinc]

@gusty burrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Nuclear Rod to “Nuclear Fuel Rod”]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@restive kraken - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Dragonblood Disgorger's tooltip more clear]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hybrid steeple - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Celestial Onion's tooltip say what it actually does]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hybrid steeple]

tooltip cleanup ‼️

[glass arch]

something something @ shayy

[drowsy plank]

lmao literally all tooltips/text changes

hilarious

rename the channel to #minor-spelling-mistake-posting

[wide river]

This channel is either that, massive exclaims, or legitimately good suggestions (very rare)

[hybrid steeple]

damn sorry i realized a tooltip was stupid i guess

[drowsy plank]

not an insult i just think it's funny how it's always the small things that get in

[hybrid steeple]

not about you

about the "legitimately good suggestions" thing

[glass arch]

cue the icicle arrow suggestion

[drowsy plank]

oh lol

icicle arrow! !! ! !

[hybrid steeple]

when the sprite is

[wide river]

That wasn't the intention, apologies

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[swift wharf]

the only thing that can be able to progress rn

[small timber]

Not sure if this was mentioned or confirmed, I thought next patch antlion stop firing sand blocks in non ftw?

[fervent orbit]

link to source iirc

i can prob just find it myself

[novel belfry]

123 - Antlions become gigashit volcanoes of sand in the "get fixed boi" seed.

they get worse

[fervent orbit]

thats

not wat he was talking about

[novel belfry]

at least its get fixed boi, where such absurdity is to be expected

i love how he calls it "gigashit volcanoes"

[small timber]

Must have misremembered it with something like OD's shark corpse debris if noone else heard about it

[fervent orbit]

couldnt find anything within the last year so guess it doesnt exist

[bright crag]

Isn't this behavior from vanilla, not Death?

Not disagreeing with the suggestion just pointing out that I don't think it's something Calamity adds

[royal tapir]

Which one, spawning sand blocks?

That's vanilla

[marble moat]

i dont think there's much wrong with it, except for the arena thing

that's annoying

like it's not terrible or anything

just a nuisance

just making the sand not go through platforms would be enough to stop the arena thing tbh

but idk if anything works that way

[eager bobcat]

Vanilla antlions only shoot the one block though. Death Mode shooting five blocks does sound rather annoying, though I've never played on Death Mode

[fervent orbit]

talking about how many sand blocks it spawns

[bright crag]

If I'm not mistaken, Death behavior will be toned down
But you should still keep the suggestion because I'm not entirely sure

[fervent orbit]

their problem with the antlions isnt even the attack, its the aftermath (the griefing), so this just seems like a bandaid fix

[bright crag]

(I would honestly suggest to remove the ability entirely)

Of creating blocks

[fervent orbit]

i mean i did say that

.

[bright crag]

Well, I agree with you

[royal tapir]

I think they already were toned down before

[cobalt pewter]

that's always been the case ever since sis were banned tbh

suggestions system is only for small stuff that will easily get votes

if you wanna make bigger shit, you gotta have connections

[drowsy plank]

i mean i got the world evil suggestion in

shrimply built different

[wide river]

I'm surprised the Perennial one I made even reached voting, considering it was such a big one and how it would drastically change how the ore is perceived
Honestly don't know how it didn't get exclaimed if we're being real lmao

[deft yew]

what was that one again

[wide river]

#suggestions-voting message

[deft yew]

horse emoji

[wide river]

Essentially just moving Perennial to the Desert under the basis that it would fit better
I can see why it got denied though, since it would likely heavily conflict with future lore plans

[deft yew]

i get the feeling any remotely major sugg has the potential to conflict with lore plans

since we're so in the dark about them

[wide river]

Indeed
But if anyone gets informed about the lore plans then they're very likely just a dev, where they wouldn't have to use the suggestions medium anymore

[cobalt pewter]

it took me like 3 or 4 suggs to rework stealth formula before I went and get my hands dirty myself

(thanks dom and ozz)

[fossil finch]

Remove sand shotgun sugg number eight trillion

[cobalt pewter]

so true

just move it to gfb

no one Will care

[buoyant idol]

It can shoot like 100 on for the worthy

[cobalt pewter]

gfb is the purgatory in which anyone who has any shred of sanity will get negative values by the time they're done with the run

putting a grief mechanic exclusively there won't budge them all that much

[golden sonnet]

gfb should only be played in multiplayer, and only once

[fossil finch]

We're so tired dudd so we're not even gonna comment

It's just true

[golden sonnet]

is this ironic we again, or unironic this time

[deft yew]

i love putting suggestions through dom i love implementing dash keybind before it even gets votes

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[golden sonnet]

YOU

[fossil finch]

It never was ironic they just made that up

[golden sonnet]

oh?

huh.

[deft yew]

yes, that's me

[golden sonnet]

you are the one who broke everything

[cobalt pewter]

the pandora's box

[fossil finch]

like no it's not ironic it's just quirky little thing, like to do it, that's it

[golden sonnet]

fair enough

[drowsy plank]

@agile plank #1042197406776827914

[fervent orbit]

makes a suggestion
leaves

[hollow shell]

wait why would this be a balance suggestion?

It doesn't have anything to do with killtimes, it's about how the weapon breaks itself on blocks too easily

[ripe owl]

I honestly think that the solution for the Sandslasher is... To make it pass through blocks

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Or if possible separate its block detection hitbox from its damage hitbox
Make the former be like only its center pixel

That's probably possible

[fervent orbit]

because then it would make it harder to hit things

[hollow shell]

Indeed but the point of the suggestion isn't to buff it or nerf it

[ripe owl]

Again, refer to this

This is neither a buff nor a nerf yet still does the job

[hollow shell]

The reason for the hitbox reduction isn't "man this thing is just too good at hitting all the enemies it touches"
It's
"If I try to use this weapon while standing on the ground, it just disappears instantly because it touches the floor under my feet."

[ripe owl]

Guess we should wait for cog to give his opinion?

[eager bobcat]

In the same vein, any of the tentacle tomes break half their DPS if you have any blocks immediately beneath your feet.

All the way until the elemental one

[hollow shell]

Yeah this problem happens with a lot of weapons..

[eager bobcat]

Not sure how I'd fix it. Because simply piercing blocks would probably unbalance the weapons too far in the other direction

[hollow shell]

byeah that's why I proposed this

[eager bobcat]

Makes sense

[drowsy plank]

i mean balancing it's use on enemies is still balancing but ig i get what u mean

[eager bobcat]

Might be tricky, but probably worth it to develop since this affects a not-insignificant number of weapons

[drowsy plank]

ive never personally used the thing so i cant say much on how much this would effect it but this seems fairly intertwined with how the item itself is balanced

sometimes there are just items that dont work well underground so idk

[hollow shell]

It's literally just a projectile that you throw afaik

[drowsy plank]

ill remove it for now

the exclaim i mean

[hollow shell]

aight

Thanks

[eager bobcat]

If this does well I might submit something about the tentacle tomes as well, then.

[hollow shell]

@agile plank If you want, you could include this ^ as a potential solution in your suggestion
To make it clear that there are ways to fix the problem without affecting its viability against enemies

[eager bobcat]

Agree

[agile plank]

I thought about putting that but I’m not too familiar with how projectiles work so I didn’t know if that was possible

[agile plank]

And yeah lmao I didn’t know what the mod guy meant he just @‘d me with the thread I didn’t see beforehand

[stone bloom]

Im sorry this is a thing?????

[ripe owl]

If it's here

Then it exists

[stone bloom]

I know that but. Man its so funny seeing the suggestion after thinking thats how its worked forever

[eager bobcat]

Yeah I never knew about that lmao. I've only ever fought them on the surface

[ripe owl]

You guys certainly have never fought enraged Hive Mind pre-boss

[eager bobcat]

Not on purpose lmao

[stone bloom]

I didnt know hive mind SPAWNED underground

Or the enrage

[eager bobcat]

I've seen a few cysts underground, but only in the main, generated evil areas.

[stone bloom]

If its underground its usually in the edge of surface and underground so i dont really think about it

[eager bobcat]

I'm pretty sure it's an intentional soft enrage actually, like the eater

[ripe owl]

They both were given this enrage with Calamity

In the same update iirc

[hollow shell]

The word "enrage" is misleading in this case

It's not like Plantera or EoL where the boss goes apeshit

[ripe owl]

I mean, they become more active, doesn't that mean enrage in some degree?

[hollow shell]

It's just like slightly more aggressive to account for the fact that the surface is more spacious than underground

[eager bobcat]

Reducing the surface spawn rate of the cysts is still probably a good idea to reflect the intention better? Increasing the underground spawn rate at the same time.

[hollow shell]

It really shouldn't use the same term for both kinds of ""enrages""

[ripe owl]

Fair

[deft yew]

Also the healthbar shouldn’t turn red

Same with Polter

[hollow shell]

Typically an enrage means that you're not supposed to fight the boss here
It's not meant to make the fight fair, it's meant to make the fight unwinnable, unless you're cracked

And yeah lol how do you even quantify Polter's open-space enrage considering it's a dynamic scalar, not an On/Off like other bosses

[small timber]

Polter also have a separate surface enrage yeah

Polter just have 2 enrages that works differently

[eager bobcat]

Seems the real issue should be clarity, not balance/clunk

[small timber]

The tldr is I think many people voted the suggestion exactly because it was so misleading

[deft yew]

One of them has no right to be called an enrage

[small timber]

Because "wait I fight this boss enraged without knowing it" seems way more impactful than "wait fighting it on surface make it slightly faster and I never knew this?"

[high nest]

Yeah so like to be clear I'm perfectly happy if the current mechanic sticks around but isnt an enrage, but a big part of the suggestion boils down to that first line.

[small timber]

Which "first line"

[high nest]

"enrages on the surface" my brother in christ you spawned the cyst on the surface

[small timber]

Oh ok that one

[high nest]

if its meant to be there why is it enraged

[small timber]

That one is not a problem?

Because it is not enraged

[swift wharf]

it's definitely a problem to say that the boss "enrages" where the boss spawns

[high nest]

then remove the enrage :) (sarcasm)

[swift wharf]

it's like

[small timber]

It is not supposed to be an "enrage", that is literally what people told you yesterday when the suggestion is created

[swift wharf]

Suspicious Looking Eye

Can only be used at night
Enrages during the night

Yes the problem is that it's called an enrage

When it isn't

[small timber]

It literally is just it move slightly faster if you fight in on the surface

It is just somehow cal really like to use the word enrage in cases where it is not

[swift wharf]

Yea

It's like calling something a rework when you just increased it usetime

[deft yew]

[swift wharf]

byeah just like just reword the thing and remove the healthbar glow

[small timber]

Real enrage is when yharon do 3x damage for you being out of border and also charging at literal speed of light, or plantera literally start regening its entire health bar on the surface

Not "because your arena is bigger it move slightly faster"

[high nest]

Like honestly I hate EoW surface "enrage" i think its miserable but its intuitive to fight the boss where the boss spawns "oh yeah i gotta go down and make an arena near the shadow orbs" is intuitive

it makes sense

[swift wharf]

Yea

[small timber]

So what is the problem there?

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

It is harder to make arena in underground, therefore you get an easier fight

[high nest]

There isnt one, I hate the mechanic personally on EoW but it makes sense at least.

[small timber]

The "surface enrage" is not hard difficulty compare to normal difficulty

It is more like normal difficulty compare to easy difficulty

[high nest]

This is a comparison to drive home the point about hive mind

[small timber]

Because the surface "enrage" is being designed around the fact that most player will fight them on the surface

Hence why boc have a way more impactful surface enrage compare to the other 3 evil bosses, because crimson generate a sufficient arena while you break hearts underground

Meanwhile perforator surface "enrage" is weak

[high nest]

You couldnt pay me to fight surface eow tbh. Not without cheese at least.

Unless its changed since 1.3

[small timber]

Or how eow literally turn into a passive worm until 50% hp if you fight it underground because underground corruption spawn is miserable without expansion

[small timber]

Wait it is still a passive worm on surface until 50%

God ftw completely warp how hard I perceive a boss to be

[high nest]

Imagine having a well thought out arena. Couldn't be me.

I am aware its a skill issue

[swift wharf]

is this a bedbuge

critter ai

[small timber]

I mean, that is literally like, 2 platforms? Which is kind of the standard

You have to literally neglect building at all to have an arena worse than that

[deft yew]

This was actually carved out for my nohit journey, I usually do much less for evils

[high nest]

ah makes sense

Imagine building adrenaline. Couldnt be me.

[ashen warren]

Wait Hive mind enrages on surface?

Have I been fighting the enraged version the whole time?

[wide river]

It's not really an "enrage", it's just "moves faster"

But yes they do

[ashen warren]

This is very strange

[high nest]

Is there an ammo swap hotkey?

That seems like it'd be a decent way to go

[eager bobcat]

It's more about the inventory struggles than anything. Might be irrelevant by the time 1.4.4 void bag hits tbh

[ornate kestrel]

Spirit mod has something for switching ammo

[river wave]

does anyone here know if calamity mod increases the spawnrate for voodoo demons? I have a suggestion based off of that fact if it does, but I can't remember if it's a calamity thing or a vanilla pre-1.4.4 thing.

[wide river]

Yes it does, as stated right here

[river wave]

thanks! I'll start writing my rough suggestion

Right now this is what I'm thinking:

It is quite frustrating when you accidentally summon the wall of flesh and it can be done quite easily and makes preparing for the fight more difficult and tedious.

It may be helpful if the voodoo demon spawnrate was kept high or medium, but the wall of flesh could only be summoned in calamity's brimstone crag biome.

If a guide voodoo doll falls into lava anywhere else, there could be some special effect, or perhaps just a chat message saying that the player can hear screams coming from the brimstone crag, or something along those lines to show players how to summon the boss.

Some players may dislike this change, and I can think of two options to allow them to not have to deal with it:

• the guide can still summon the wall of flesh anywhere in the underworld if he is killed in lava
• an option to disable this change in the settings, similar to the early-hardmode progression changes

One thing that I like about this idea is that, if I'm not mistaken, it also fits well with the new calamity lore of the wall of flesh being created in the city that later became the brimstone crag biome.

Please let me know what you think!

[wide river]

I just want to ask: Where did you hear that Wall of Flesh was made in Azafure (the Brimstone Crags)?

[quiet kernel]

I think it is said in either the wof lore item or azafure lore item

Not sure but I have the same memory about wof being yharims god essence trash bin before dog made by azafurians

[wide river]

Hmm
Well, despite that uncertainty (I might just be missing something but I can't see anything that says that), if there weren't so many line breaks, and if there was a title it might be passable, at least

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Voodoo_Demon_Voodoo_Doll

[wide river]

Hmm, under further consideration, there are more problems than initially met the eye
First, why would you suggest that Wall of Flesh can only be summoned with Guide Voodoo Dolls in the Brimstone Crag, then just also suggest that it can be summoned anywhere via burning the Guide? This wouldn't make sense whatsoever, and wouldn't be very intuitive to players
Secondly, suggesting to add a config for players to get rid of the change seems iffy. Just outright ask for it to be changed or not, rather than essentially saying "If you don't like it, just turn it off"

[deft yew]

I do find the voodoo demon spawn rate buff unnecessary given 1) The vast majority of people use a very well-built Wall arena that makes the boss easy to fight, 2) There are plenty of options that melt it, making it extra easy to fight, and 3) You can easily replicate the spawn rate buff by getting actual spawn rate boosters, especially Zerg

[fervent orbit]

yes, the wof is a man made construct, but im pretty sure its never stated to be made by the azafure people

[drowsy plank]

to be fair, cal definetly seems to want to kill zerg/zen, and hopefully someday hell gen and WoF will be reworked to be an actual fight and not dogshit to setup an arena or fight him in raw gen

[deft yew]

Overhauling the generation of a vanilla biome that spans the entire world sounds about as likely as Rev+ Deerclops AI to me

[glass arch]

yeah nah it was made by yharim

[wide river]

I know that Zerg is dying, at the very least
I think Zen might stay, but I'm uncertain

[deft yew]

Zen is pretty much useless in my experience but I also have Nycro’s so idk

[drowsy plank]

zen is nice

[deft yew]

In the few situations I turn spawns off, I could probably use a minion instead

[river wave]

The reason that I thought of this is that burning the guide in lava is a method that is less well known and is probably more likely to be used by those who want a quicker and easier summoning method. The story explanation could be that the wall is much more aggravated by the guide dying in the underworld than the doll on it's own, but I don't think that this really needs a story explanation anyway.

I do see the point that the voodoo demon voodoo doll makes this change a little redundant, but the item does have it's own problems such as taking up inventory space, needing to be crafted and being useless unless players actually know about it.

I also don't think that the ability to toggle a change off is a very good way of doing things, I just wanted to acknowledge that it has been done previously as an alternative.

[river wave]

I don't know if this is outright stated in the lore, but I think it would make sense for the wall to be located there given it was created by 'the greatest mages in Azafure', so it would make sense for it to have some connections to that location.

[wide river]

I don't see that line anywhere on the wiki, would you mind showing me where it says that?

[fervent orbit]

"if its not in the game, its not canon"

[river wave]

page 3 of the log says it's protected by the city's high security, and it could only be released if the city were to fall

[glass arch]

it seems everyone forgets the logs exist (including myself)

[swift wharf]

I'd rather just make voodoo demons drop a custom item that throws a voodoo doll
If the voodoo doll hits lava it summons guide

Andrew has arrived!

wof*

That way you don't have to lock summoning the boss to crags without having to manually kill the guide

And solves the issue with it falling into lava

[fervent orbit]

also do note that voodoo dolls are gonna be stackable in 1.4.4

[swift wharf]

honestly just IL edit the summon method out and replace it with a new one

increase its rarity and only let it summon the boss if the player mouse 1 the thing into lava

just throwing idea

s

[river wave]

I like the current way the boss is summoned, I just think that it could be better if it couldn't happen by accident. I also think it would feel a lot cooler and probably more immersive if you have to go to the place where the boss is hiding to actively annoy it enough for it to fight you.

It's like one of the most unique ways you summon a boss in the game

[swift wharf]

my ideas don't change how the boss is summoned

just prevents the accidents

[river wave]

sorry, thought this meant create a different summoning method using like an altar or just holding the item up or something.

[swift wharf]

effectively you would just change the throw button

[eager bobcat]

I have never felt that accidental WoF summons were anything more than the slightest annoyance

[drowsy plank]

im not sure what you're trying to say with that

yes it is annoying that is why they want it changed

[glass arch]

and its not just the slightest annoyance when
you're in the middle of prepping for the boss or hell not even prepped at all

[eager bobcat]

It's much harder for it to happen pre-hardmode since you aren't nearly as liable to accidentally be killing demons off screen. Post hard mode its over in 0.2 seconds anyway, and the guide instantly respawns with mod configs.

Seems like a lot of work for a non-issue

[river wave]

That makes sense, and would probably be less effort to code. I still like my summoning method more because I think it's cool, more immersive, and makes a bit more sense to me.
But I'm thinking now that it wouldn't get implemented, since there is already a way of stopping voodoo demon spawns in the mod, even if it isn't perfect it probably isn't worth changing.

[glass arch]

no its not harder pre hardmode

did you miss the part where demon spawnrates are absolutely jacked pre hardmode

it is in fact a lot easier pre hardmode

[eager bobcat]

How do you figure

[drowsy plank]

becomes demons are an actual threat to you then so you have to kill them

and are much more common

doesn't take a genius to figure that out lmao

so you need to kill them in suboptimal places more often because you dont have the defense or movement to avoid them like you do in hardmode

henceforth, they die over lava more often, and henceforth you accidentally spawn WoF more often

if ur not using VDVD

[glass arch]

the only way to deal with them without killing them is to run the fuck away
and guess what thats usually not what you want to be doing when either mining or making a hellbridge

[eager bobcat]

Literally never had this problem. Maybe if you don't have terraspark boots on for some reason I can see it, but why would you not have terraspark boots if your prepping for WOF

[drowsy plank]

you're expected to go to hell post-Evil1 in Calamity progression

to get drops and gear

which is

much earlier than you'd get terraspark

furthermore, you typically need to go to hell to get the materials to quick craft terraspark

[river wave]

I've actually thought before that there is a bit of a problem with the process of having to mine through a bunch of buildings in the underworld to make an arena every playthrough anyway.
I feel like it would be a lot nicer if the underworld naturally was more similar to the way it is in the upside-down world seed in 1.4.4, where the middle of it is very open and flat.

[drowsy plank]

yes i already mentioned the possibility of a hell generation rework

most people agree that hell gen is ass rn, and it limits WoF ability to be a good fight

[river wave]

that sounds much better than my suggestion to be honest

[kindred creek]

if I wanted to suggest changing the mad alchemist's cocktail glove to involve the spent fuel container and desecrated water and to make it a deal rogue damage because it throws stuff and it doesn't really make sense that it's magic besides it involving the toxic flask, would that be a SIS? I am suggesting a recipe change and a damage type change, not a behavior.

[wide river]

You'd need to get permission from the donor, since Mad Alchemist's Cocktail Glove is a donor item

[kindred creek]

oh, ok

[ripe owl]

I bet the donor would be so kind to agree to make it rogue

[small timber]

hmm, also I dont think it will make too much sense? mainly because mad alchemist itself are not radioactive/sulphurous sea themed

the only similarity are they are thrown flask/projectile weapon

[ripe owl]

It's at the very least the Desecrated Water upgrade... If it is to become rogue, that is

Which, again, I bet would happen

[small timber]

even for descrated water it don't really fit since mad alchemist completely loss ichor and cursed flame theme

and "mad alchemist cocktail" imply it is more chemical than like, "evil water" which is basically what descrated water is?

[ripe owl]

It makes sense for MAC to be rogue
It doesn't make sense for it to have the hardmode rogue weapons in the recipe

A double-edged sword

[grim tusk]

Donor moment

[drowsy plank]

mad alch is an upgrade to toxic flask, why the hell would it deal rogue damage...?

[kindred creek]

it says the items is dedicated to Arti, how do I ask them?

[drowsy plank]

i can
go check to see if you can contact them and i can give you their tag, but again, i have no idea why a donor would completely rework their item from an upgrade to a magic weapon to a rogue weapon

[deft yew]

is that an SIS i smell

this might exist in the future either way since astral undergrowth is i believe still planned

[drowsy plank]

hm

the phrasing is weird and no other evil does this but also i dont think hallowed overwrites moss unlike astral so

this could be a way for the other "nice evil" to deal with the whole moss problem

[wide river]

I think it needs to be less specific in how it'd be obtained, as that's pushing it a bit into SIS territory
It needs to lose the mention of the Chlorophyte Extractinator as well, since that's future content
The idea is great, the suggestion itself just needs some changes

[drowsy plank]

@winter harness
i forget if this tagging method works lemme see

ok no but

[drowsy plank]

@winter harness now i can do this

please remove the reference to the Chlorophyte Extractinator, as that is future content, and is against the rules, furthermore, you really need to tone down on the description of the item itself, you've done a lot of laying out of how the item functions, which makes this a Specific Item Suggestion which is also against the rules. if you DO want Astral Moss (and i would focus on just the moss for now) i suggest following what i said here; focus on how astral overwrites moss, unlike hallowed, and how adding an astral moss would both be interesting visually, and help deal with this issue. don't mention how it works or what it looks like; that's for the devs to decide

okay wait im not sure if i just double pinged them

[ashen warren]

smh cog

[winter harness]

you did

I don't mind

[drowsy plank]

sorry i couldnt remember if ID pings worked or not

the idea of astral moss is interesting tho, and it would let astral bypass the whole issue of needing to create internal variants of all the blocks that the moss can grow on to as well, since it would homogenize all other mosses and only grow on astral blocks (presumably)

[winter harness]

So basically, just remove everything besides the reason as to why it should be added?

[drowsy plank]

pretty much, yeah

[winter harness]

alright

[drowsy plank]

you can suggest ideas of how it could work, but hardlining anything is heavily discourged

like you could leave in the idea of how it might look, cause i think that was neat, but you laid out the functionality, use, and obtainment methods pretty stringently and that is not great

anyway ping me when you think you've fixed it and i can remove the exclaim

[winter harness]

@drowsy plank I think I fixed it

[drowsy plank]

okay, yeah, this is valid, but i think the reasoning is pretty weak now, like why should this be added before like, auric brick or something? that's why i gave those ideas on how it could help deal with the fact that right now, astral just obliterates all moss, unliked the hallowed, which is the other "evil" with a pylon. astral moss could help allow moss to still grow in that biome without the work of needing to program in a bunch of moss variants for all the tiles.

[winter harness]

Alright, I'll mention that as well for the reasoning

[drowsy plank]

cool

gl with the sugg

[winter harness]

@drowsy plank I'm hoping I don't have to ping you again after this, but I think I fixed it

[drowsy plank]

looks great, and i already removed the exclaim the first time, but i think it'll be a lot more likely to get in like this

[winter harness]

Alright, Thanks for helping me

[sand umbra]

have we really reached the point in time where a simple change in class is considered a complete rework

does the word seriously mean that little these days

[deft yew]

yes

[swift wharf]

Yes.

[deft yew]

seabound staff

ok tbf memes complained about that word choice the moment the change was posted

[sleek turret]

the word has been used too much in wrong it has lost the actual meaning

[sand umbra]

hey, remember all those Calamity rogue weapons that are upgrades to vanilla melee and ranged weapons?

I do, and this point goes directly against that existin' canon

[fervent orbit]

literally forgets the fundamental mechanic of rogue

[sand umbra]

stealth doesn't know if it's ready for commitment to its relationship with rogue on the whole yet, and hasn't been ready for said commitment for years

[fervent orbit]

wot

[golden sonnet]

???

[cobalt pewter]

hm?

I can hear mentions of stealth from at least a yard away

[sand umbra]

unless I've missed any potential recent changes to rogue that made stealth more of the core mechanic instead of something you only care about when it's advantageous to do so

[shut pollen]

stealth on other weapons does sound p epic

[sleek turret]

charge and shoot weapons

[cobalt pewter]

[swift wharf]

from the weapon minmaxing guides ive seen stealth is more used than spam

[golden sonnet]

There are like only 5 viable weapons where stealth isn't best

[cobalt pewter]

(I think there will be a revamp to the mechanic soontm)

(like renaming it)

[fervent orbit]

i feel like you are just oblivious wat changing a weapon from one class to rogue means

[sand umbra]

I know what it means

you change the damage type, remove the mana cost, and give it a stealth strike

[cobalt pewter]

:D

[sand umbra]

that's it. that's the entire shift from magic to rogue

[fervent orbit]

congrats! now whos fucking coding that

and also we need donor permission to do so

which most likely wont happen

[sand umbra]

give me or anyone else that knows what they're doin' ten minutes with it, tops

[cobalt pewter]

wrong

(I personally worked on the new formula)

[sand umbra]

the larger issue is donor permission

[cobalt pewter]

(okay that's too much credit)

(dom and ozz did the most)

(I'm only nerding out over numbers)

[sand umbra]

I don't know who the hell was responsible for Cocktail Glove or if they still even exist

[fervent orbit]

u technically worked on it

[swift wharf]

class consistency be damned but

why change the magic weapon

[fervent orbit]

"uhm u throw something so obviously its rogue"

[swift wharf]

CLEARLY

just get mana and use it as rogue iirc

[fervent orbit]

you THROW out a yoyo

[sand umbra]

okay

[fervent orbit]

clearly yoyos are rogue now

[sand umbra]

and

[swift wharf]

actually yeah this is an issue of where's le consitencei;;;;

(nitpicking)

[sleek turret]

great we're getting to the same echo chamber all over again

[swift wharf]

I just personally don't see any real reason to change the toxic flask(magic) upgrade(magic) to toxic flask upgrade(rogue)

[wide river]

Every time without fail, when class consistency gets brought up, this happens

[sand umbra]

every single time

[fervent orbit]

class consistency is a myth

[swift wharf]

IT IS

[fervent orbit]

and anyone who believes in it should stop

[sand umbra]

I really wish it wasn't

[swift wharf]

blame vanilla iirc

[sand umbra]

I will

[swift wharf]

real Wizard With a Gun Demo hours

[fervent orbit]

i bet every game has some sort of inconsistency you can nitpick
terraria is not an exception
neither is calamity

[sand umbra]

and then I'll also blame mods

I'll blame everyone. myself included because I got assassinated by my own ambition tryin' to fix the issue myself

[sand umbra]

every game I've played has these sorts of inconsistencies. I pick at them often

Terraria and its mods just so happen to have a particular abundance of these inconsistencies

[swift wharf]

vanilla moving all throwing weapons to ranged without carefully selecting them was

something

throwing in general was scuffed

[sand umbra]

there was enough content in the game suitable for throwin' for the class to, like

actually exist

or, at least, more than the devs wanted to actually give to it

[swift wharf]

Yeah you could definitely move some melee gear to thrower

[sand umbra]

Magic Dagger, Shadowflame Knife, Toxic Flask, fuckin' DAYBREAK, etc.

[swift wharf]

scourge of the corruptor

vamp knives

[sand umbra]

Vamp Knives, too

[swift wharf]

yea

[fervent orbit]

you throw yoyos in real life

[swift wharf]

honestly give thrower yoyos

[sand umbra]

yo-yos are the biggest offender
because they were introduced in literally the same update as throwin'
the entire point of a yo-yo is to throw it and do cool shit with it

and they were made melee. why

[swift wharf]

melee already has flails

boomerangs are also

[sand umbra]

they really just
added a class that had a bunch of eligible content in the game already
refused to move almost any of the content that'd fit that class to it because it'd highlight the existin' lack of variety further
and then removed the class, instead of buildin' on it further, when people started to really care about it and go "hey can this not be a half-baked mess?"

make it make sense

[golden sonnet]

Vanilla is a mess

[swift wharf]

funny

[golden sonnet]

I understand why, and agree with it, but there's a small part of me that wishes calamity just changed the type of like half the weapons in the game to make sense

[sand umbra]

I wanted to do that at one point

it's, ah

well

[swift wharf]

dd

[sand umbra]

it's one thing to change the class of a single weapon

[golden sonnet]

Not at all problematic

[sand umbra]

it's another thing entirely to do it for, like, over a third of the game's weapon

[drowsy plank]

the main thing about mad alch that i dont get the idea of moving to rogue is the whole point is it's supposed to be a mad scientist's beaker just like toxic flask and the proposed new items it would upgrade from would completely trash the one thing the item had going for it

[swift wharf]

I mean i too would like if class types were changed

but

suggestion don'ts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTROGGWTLIw

[drowsy plank]

and like yeah if we could make toxic rogue too and just overall fixed class consistency id be on board but i just dont think it works

[sand umbra]

with all the extra stuff Calamity adds that compounds the issue (class consistency, as mentioned, is a myth)

it'd have to be a really well-coordinated effort to work out, I think

[drowsy plank]

yknow it's funny but the more i think about it alch kinda does already work like a rogue weapon anyway, huh? yknow with the right click and all

yeah

[swift wharf]

I have never used this weapon and barely know what it does

[sand umbra]

I forgor Cocktail Glove even has a right-click

but now that I look at it...yeah, you could honestly just transmute (haha alchemy) that into the stealth strike with some combo bullshit

[drowsy plank]

it's the one that barfs 18 debuffs onto you

[sleek turret]

its toxic flash but like with 10 other funky effects that are strong

it's just so silly

[swift wharf]

I have not touched mage class in 3 years

[sand umbra]

mage is the only class I play in Calamity playthroughs (usually)

I think I've used Cocktail Glove a grand total of once in my much earlier days, so hell if I know how useful it is in modern times

[drowsy plank]

the biggest issue with all of this is that on the donor sheet the id of the donor has "(probably??)" next to it which gives me very little confidence we can actually contact them

[sand umbra]

and as we all know, donor items are impossible to change without a way to actually

contact the donor responsible for the item's existence

[swift wharf]

simply say that you contacted them

[sand umbra]

which I think is stupid in practice, even though it makes sense on paper

predominantly because it's the only reason Normality Relocator has lived as long as it has

[drowsy plank]

wooooooo

i LOVE donor items

[swift wharf]

me when I find who the nr donor is

[fervent orbit]

lucrecia isnt a donor

[swift wharf]

(their pronouns will soon be was/were)

lucrecia is a hardmode shortsword that autoswings

[drowsy plank]

i remember trying to fix universal genesis's recipe so i had to find the guy's twitter

[sand umbra]

Lucrecia is one of the weapons of all time

[drowsy plank]

lucrecia should have died with coldheart

[sand umbra]

I don't even really know how good it is

because at the point you get access to it

you also get access to Omniblade
and Omniblade outclasses it in every fashion just by existin' last I checked

[sleek turret]

it looks underwhelming

[swift wharf]

i'd just make it work like starlight or smth tbh

[royal tapir]

And most of them are useless on the tier

[swift wharf]

but delayed

cuz rn it's uhhhh

[royal tapir]

Today I will inflict a bunch of fire debuffs, including Holy Flames, on Providence

[swift wharf]

there are other bosses at that tier,.,.,..,,.

[royal tapir]

Ah yes

Profaned Guardians

[sand umbra]

so many other bosses

such as:

• donuts

[swift wharf]

polter

sentinels

[cobalt pewter]

pottah

[sand umbra]

the Mistlestorm in question:

[cobalt pewter]

class identity in terraria is fake

(weapon wise at least)

[sleek turret]

no cap mad alch was very good like 1-2 years ago and then they nerfed it so you could use it up to dog consistenly for a bit and never again

[cobalt pewter]

(mechanic wise? ehhhhhhhhh idk)

[sand umbra]

also Divine Retribution which I like a lot for reasons I can't determine

[swift wharf]

☝️ poltah

[sand umbra]

~~remember when there were actually magic options against DoG

I do~~

[sleek turret]

I do also

[cobalt pewter]

at least stealth should have a bit more going on than "hehe mana 2"

[drowsy plank]

omniblade doesnt give you iframes on hit

[cobalt pewter]

and it'll get more reworks

(also I am slow, I am being overloaded by information)

[royal tapir]

Right click debuffs deal a combined 336 DPS when not factoring in immunties or resistances/weaknesses
Factor those in on Provi, and it deals 211 DPS

[sand umbra]

wowza!

a whole 211 DPS

at a tier where I can easily deal that much in one of several hits of a single attack

[royal tapir]

[cobalt pewter]

all donors are fake until they respond to your knocking on the door

[drowsy plank]

um yeag but what if u needed to fight plantera again for terra shards or something

[royal tapir]

Totality Breakers 💪

[ripe owl]

Terra What now?

[drowsy plank]

sooooo true

[sand umbra]

when the shard is livin'

[ripe owl]

Living Shard? Never heard of that one either

Is it some Thorium item? Some healer related material?

[sand umbra]

okay but like real talk when do we stab Cal's Terra weapons

[royal tapir]

The best part is that the debuffs only last 4 seconds

[drowsy plank]

soon™️

[sand umbra]

the lot of 'em are relics of a bygone age

[swift wharf]

me injecting CalamityMod.tmod with malware that deletes terra gear

[drowsy plank]

i heard a lot are planned to be on the chopping block along with their night variants (and esp the crim ones )

[ripe owl]

That's not malware that's called "Editing a mod without the creator's permission"

[sand umbra]

nobody cares about Chinese bootleg Terra items anymore

because Chinese bootleg Zenith items are all the rage now

[swift wharf]

It's my mod now, I downloaded it for free

[royal tapir]

Just call it an add-on

[sand umbra]

it's as shrimple as that

[swift wharf]

it's a sub-on

it deletes items

[drowsy plank]

calamity should add a zenith rogue item...!!

[swift wharf]

zenith upgrade

[sand umbra]

we should add Zenith knockoffs for every cla-

oh wait that's just the Miracle Matter set but bad

[fervent orbit]

miracle matter weapons:

[ripe owl]

That's finna be the most horrendous thing to ever exist

[swift wharf]

made with exoblade elemental excal

the other dev swords

[drowsy plank]

nah make it zenith themed but post-ML because id take something as horrendous as that even to fix that tier

[swift wharf]

make it fire dust

like purification powder dust

[ripe owl]

Yharon's Bullet Hell
At just your fingertips

[fervent orbit]

"well theres terra items why not zenith ones"

i wish the other terra items were like cosmic bolter

[sand umbra]

as I said

[fervent orbit]

not connected to terra

[swift wharf]

this is true because elemental and exo

[sand umbra]

relics of a bygone age

[fervent orbit]

but their own thing

[swift wharf]

aote is unique so I excuse it 😊

[sand umbra]

Cosmic Bolter is actually a pretty nice exception to this because it doesn't just call itself something stupid like "Terra Bow"

[cobalt pewter]

you're so outdated now

[drowsy plank]

god dont say that you know someone is gonna come in here and ask for that using that reasoning and im not even gonna have much of a leg to stand on because we DO have all those shitty night and terra weapons still

[cobalt pewter]

the hots right now is chinese overengineered melee weapons that do 50 things in 1

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[ripe owl]

I honestly think that the Terra Disk, if it to be renamed, would definitely still stand out on its own

[swift wharf]

terra weapons need to exist... how else will i craft my ele disk !! !

[sand umbra]

Terra Disk could just get a rename and have that work well enough, I think

[swift wharf]

terra disk could just DIE

[sand umbra]

TRUE

[swift wharf]

there's already a disk there

[drowsy plank]

remove terra themeing from lunarian line and build more into the moon/spacs theme

[swift wharf]

!wiki mangroove chackram

[ripe owl]

That's literally what I said

[swift wharf]

BALLS

[sand umbra]

Mangroove Chakram

[ripe owl]

Mangrove

[swift wharf]

il iterally dont know how to spel

[cobalt pewter]

ele disk should just be luminite and frags

[swift wharf]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Mangrove_Chakram

[ripe owl]

Not mangroove

[cobalt pewter]

fuck crafting trees

[drowsy plank]

fuck perrenial

[swift wharf]

literally same tier

[fervent orbit]

we already mangrove chakram

[cobalt pewter]

fuck everything

[swift wharf]

fuck perennial but fuck terra slightly more tb h

[drowsy plank]

true

[sand umbra]

society if Perennial set actually got used ever instead of bein' ditched before it was even obtained because Terra set exists

[swift wharf]

me looking at the dimension where Elemental Eruption is crafted with elf melter, luminite and frags

https://tenor.com/view/miguel-o'hara-gif-5513126086566540350

[sand umbra]

Elf Melter representation

[swift wharf]

💪

[drowsy plank]

remember when terra lance was an upgrade to fucking north pole

[wide river]

Terra set actually needs to die so Perennial can be used for once

[ripe owl]

Damn can't wait for the Ele Disk to take the Shellfish Boomerang and the Life Alloy bars boomerangs
Again

[swift wharf]

do the same with ele lance and make it craftable with north pole as well

[sand umbra]

when do we get South Pole from the superbuffed Frost Moon

[swift wharf]

seasonal moons W

[drowsy plank]

[ripe owl]

Ele Lance still exists?!

[royal tapir]

Elemental Lance already uses North Pole I think

[swift wharf]

candy corn gun into ele blaster when

[ripe owl]

I thought it got butchered

[drowsy plank]

ayo but fr tho

[sand umbra]

surprisingly, not yet

[royal tapir]

Must’ve been removed in 2.0.2

[drowsy plank]

would make more sense than whatever the fuck ele blaster is made from rn

[ripe owl]

TERRA LANCE IS STILL A THING?!

What the fuck

We should actually make a suggestion for the removal of those

[sand umbra]

it is

somehow

[drowsy plank]

the terra stands for terrable

[wide river]

As a massive fan of spears, I wish it wasn't just a glorified broadsword

[swift wharf]

bat scepter ele ray

[ripe owl]

True

[sand umbra]

me when the lance is just a glorified projectile item

(does anyone actually use it for any other reason? does it actually do anything if you hit with the lance itself)

[swift wharf]

what do you expect

[drowsy plank]

huh
yknow no one has ever actually asked the terra items to be rethemed
i mean i think they already have plans to do it but
couldnt hurt i suppose

[swift wharf]

this thing was not changed EVER

[wide river]

It has no on-hit effect
The only benefit is the projectile

[swift wharf]

CAN WE GO BACK TO 1.1.5

[drowsy plank]

WHAT

[swift wharf]

not elemental in the name
automatically better

[sand umbra]

literally a cooler name

[drowsy plank]

WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT

[sand umbra]

fuck this

[royal tapir]

Elemental Disk was Accretion Disk as well

[sand umbra]

it's time for me to rise from my eternal slumber

[sand umbra]

I shall wake
one final time(?)

[wide river]

Hey donor items wouldn't have existed yet (I think)
Clearly this is the superior version

[swift wharf]

this is so sad im literally sadeing

[fervent orbit]

fuck i should really work on my mod that just replaces uelibloom with divine geode crafting

[swift wharf]

like HELL we have planetary annihilation

and not elemental bow

actually its line is cool it is immune to name conventions despite being strange weapons

lunarian bow could be tweaked a bit i think the effect is not as cool as bees knees for example but that is too subjective

[wide river]

Elemental Shiv, Lance, Blaster, Eruption, Ray, Axe, and Disk
These all need a rename like seriously

[sand umbra]

okay I need, like

[ripe owl]

Lunarian Bow -> Cosmic Bolter -> Planetary Annihilation

That's the ideal way

[sand umbra]

a legitimate reason to retheme Elemental

[cobalt pewter]

I wonder if there's a cal item that can compete with Bloody Machete in "how long have you been not touched" competition

[sand umbra]

I need a way to word this that isn't just

[sand umbra]

this image

but words

[sleek turret]

me when i'm in a standarised name based on a thematic competition and my oponent is some vanilla and calamity mod item names

[swift wharf]

it's GOOD because it' snot night terra elemental but tbf

[fervent orbit]

biofusillade

[swift wharf]

the names don't fit at ALL

[ripe owl]

Night's Ray -> Terra Ray -> Elemental Ray

[royal tapir]

Biofusillade used to be called Gamma Fusillade

[ripe owl]

That's the BAD way

[sand umbra]

Biofusillade exists?

[ripe owl]

Yes

[sleek turret]

leaf gun

[ripe owl]

A funny book

[sand umbra]

I think I used it, like

once

ever

[sleek turret]

the second

[fervent orbit]

wdym its called embers of purity

[cobalt pewter]

Dusk Ray > Gaia Ray > Cosmic Ray

[ripe owl]

Yeah that's somewhat fitting

[cobalt pewter]

I'm surprised I never seen the word "Gaia" in Calamity, like, at all

[ripe owl]

If only you could play around the ray part

[swift wharf]

what is that

[sleek turret]

honk mimimimi item that either deserves death or some sort of change that makes the item stand out from an alredy existing vanilla item

[royal tapir]

Hmm

[ripe owl]

Cause it looks too bland

[cobalt pewter]

that makes sense, a sec

[royal tapir]

Catastrophe Claymore may be a contender

[fervent orbit]

my very incomplete mod

[swift wharf]

oh right the

KILL tarragon mod

[ripe owl]

Sorry, Frago Soil already took it

[swift wharf]

honestly though cookie cutting i s not a bad issue on itself

[cobalt pewter]

Dusk Ray > Gaia's Roots > Cosmic Trail

idk

[swift wharf]

(it goes back to implementation moment)

[ripe owl]

Wait why the cookie cutting?

Why exactly that term?

[fervent orbit]

uhm wat should i rename lifehunt scythe as?

[swift wharf]

cool as fuck shitfucker weapon that is very unqiue but also called terra spatula -> good

1.3 terra blade but it's a lance -> bad

[cobalt pewter]

The hoe

[fervent orbit]

no

[sand umbra]

alternative
Gloom Beam/Ray => Rootweave (optional r at the end) => Meteor's Trail

[ripe owl]

Leave it as it is honestly, not like there's any reason to change it

[fervent orbit]

ture

[cobalt pewter]

not bad

I think ray is fine to be kept for early stages of progression, but expanding the term later on is good

[swift wharf]

once again iban elemental reworks were gonna be poggers because the weapons were all unique despite being all ele weapon

[fervent orbit]

ok but verdant would need a rename if i make it a divine geode craft

[sand umbra]

and then he exploded

[swift wharf]

and then BreakingBadQuotes

[cobalt pewter]

color coded elemental weapons!!!!!

[royal tapir]

Remove it

[sand umbra]

okay you know what I'm gonna post the sugg as it is and we're gonna workshop it if we have to

[swift wharf]

actually yeah you could kill verdant because provi yoyo

[royal tapir]

Solar Flare already exists

[cobalt pewter]

the incident that took the jobs of 22

[ripe owl]

21

Actually

[cobalt pewter]

22 is funnier

[swift wharf]

just like 1929

[fervent orbit]

why do you give such good wisdom

[cobalt pewter]

yoyos when they

[ripe owl]

Why not

Anyway I am going to sleep, good night suggesters

[sleek turret]

it's not good wisdom is just analizing what is worth changing and what isn't

[swift wharf]

thomas carefully brewing the most controversial suggestion that breaks 3 donts minimum

[fervent orbit]

ok but wat if

[swift wharf]

definitely

[fervent orbit]

virid vanguard was a divine geode craft

wat would it be called

[sleek turret]

good wisdom is to stop playing calamity (/s)

[sand umbra]

as tradition has held for years

additional notes/personal thoughts that I don't think would fit in the sugg proper:

• fuck Elemental Lance and its entire goddamn tree
• why the hell does Elemental Eruption not use Elf Melter
• nobody cares about Crimson variants anymore it's Current Year
• Flowers of Mortality have no business donnin' the elemental look, same with Planetary's entire tree
• literally just make Ele Blaster a normal Speed Blaster upgrade why is it still an "Elemental set" weapon at all
• either replace Augur entirely and ditch the Hex Doll thematic or lean further into it and build on what's there

anyway it's happened go rip me apart for my wordin' or smth

[cobalt pewter]

ah yes

the ❔

[wide river]

The additional notes definitely wouldn't have fit, considering those'd be better for their own suggestions

[swift wharf]

this but uniro

[sand umbra]

dread it
run from it

the ❔ arrives all the same

[undone cedar]

true suggestion

[swift wharf]

alright fellas whos gonna implement the suggestion

💥💥💥

[hollow shell]

Thomas return

[sand umbra]

indeed

[wide river]

In my opinion:
Ark of the Elements is completely fine
Shiv should get reworked (To not be a shortsword)
Lance should die
Planetary Annihilation is fine
Blaster should get reworked
Eruption needs some touchups
Ray needs a rename
Augur of the Elements needs to not be "Tentacle mage tome number 204"
Axe is fine, maybe could do with a rename
Flowers of Mortality is definitely fine
And Disk needs a rename

[sand umbra]

after many, many months of dormancy, I have returned at last

Augur of the Elements needs to not be "Tentacle mage tome number 204"
oh right I forgor to talk about Augur

Augur doesn't need to exist

that's it

[deft yew]

i love shadowflame hex doll behavior

[sand umbra]

that's the entire gimmick
it sucks

[deft yew]

i love having a 2% chance to deal damage

[sand umbra]

it's Shadowflame Hex Doll 2 (Eldritch Tome is like 0.7 ish)

[swift wharf]

please tell me someone uses it

[undone cedar]

Aaargh

[deft yew]

it's provi viable but what at the tier isn't

[wide river]

I crafted it once and never used it :HDflr:

[sleek turret]

boring item

same with the meld one except that one you can deal triple the damage

[swift wharf]

how come boring item become dom item?????

[sand umbra]

.

I forgor Tome of Fates exists

why does it exist

like, genuinely

[sleek turret]

unless the item got changed to something new then i'll change my mind

[royal tapir]

(It was not)

[wide river]

Subsuming Vortex (its upgrade) doesn't even use the tentacle behavior
It literally only serves as recipe bloat atm

[deft yew]

love how every remotely major suggestion ever made spills over into a discussion of sweeping half-the-mod-sized issues

[swift wharf]

most boring line until ssvortex
uncanny

[wide river]

You know it!

[swift wharf]

it's not our fault half the mod is
something

[sleek turret]

see just because it's made by a person with a decent-good reputation alredy doesn't mean it's automatically good

[sand umbra]

whenever I wakes
them's the breaks

[swift wharf]

actually subsuming vortex item is pretty good

[sleek turret]

s vortex is cool i like it

better than duke fishron tome 2

[sand umbra]

kid named Nuclear Fury

[deft yew]

i wish right click was stronger than left but that's either a balance issue or a me issue

[sleek turret]

nuclear fury?

[deft yew]

[sleek turret]

like the thorium item?

[swift wharf]

nuclear fury the j

the fabsol donor item yes

[sand umbra]

I still have a doc that details what I would personally do with all the Meld items

[swift wharf]

meld😭

[deft yew]

i would uhh

uh

[sleek turret]

atleast in thorium it's apropiate to the mod tbh

[deft yew]

i would KILL

[wide river]

Maybe someday Meld will be good

[eager bobcat]

Late game mage is actually pure balls

[sand umbra]

Entropic Claymore becomes an RNG check as it should i.e. worse Animus
God's Bellows does what Tome of Fates tries to do but better
Shard of Antumbra becomes a staff
summon weapon maybe actually exists
and Tome of Fates becomes a dubiously-weighted 7-sided die

[eager bobcat]

Needs a buff the most of any class by far

[swift wharf]

i'd go shitfuck crazy and turn sosme of the meld gear into tools

[cobalt pewter]

the hex line could be funny if they messed with the center point of the tentacles

[swift wharf]

turn entropic claymore into an axe it will be funny

[dense ferry]

I have some cool ideas for Meld tbh

[sleek turret]

this mod has a lot of (vanilla item) 2 's tbh it needs a general good look for all of these items

[deft yew]

this is true

[swift wharf]

that is the desirable outcome, yes

[wide river]

Someone should just waltz into #asset-submissions and give high-quality resprites for literally every item in the mod
Surely this will happen

[sand umbra]

honestly

[hollow shell]

grrr tome of fates rrrrggh not reworked to fit its new appearance and theme grr

[swift wharf]

im sure that perfect sprites will fix the weapon

[cobalt pewter]

meanwhile the bosses will forever be [vanilla boss season 2]

thst is an absolute

[eternal escarp]

omg i so agree with the terra mention thats what ive been SAYING preach preach

[swift wharf]

WOW this looks good too bad it's all DUST

[cobalt pewter]

we love casting dust

[deft yew]

i was gonna bring this up first but i knew gunshots would be heard

[sand umbra]

Tome of Fates is literally made to be fodder for Augur and that pisses me off

[swift wharf]

TOME OF FATES IS DONE SO DIRTY BECAUSE

entropic claymore was a terratomere material

[cobalt pewter]

Tome of Fates should be a radial tentacle hen

I should not continue that

[sand umbra]

and then it was made not a Terratomere material I think

[swift wharf]

and it suffered the same current issue

YEAH

[cobalt pewter]

either way yes lots of vanilla 2 weapons

[swift wharf]

but tome of fates remained

XD

[cobalt pewter]

fodders

[hollow sentinel]

anyone else think there should be a new armor set in between hydrothermic and lunar? I always end up having to use the hydrothermic set for way too long for post golem

[swift wharf]

forgor to fix that

[sand umbra]

if you want a Shadowflame Hex Doll upgrade
make it one that actually expands upon the fuckin' weapon

[sleek turret]

sprites only change the visual of it, the real gold is changing the item (both item/projectiles coming from it and functionality) to fit with better quality standarts,

[sand umbra]

instead of just doin' the same shit but with more damage

[cobalt pewter]

this is an issue with literally every single progression weapon that isn't the new AotC tree

[deft yew]

that’s it guys this is my moment to post the funny

[cobalt pewter]

(iban religion fr)

[swift wharf]

astral, beetle, plaguebringer, plague reaper exist

[sand umbra]

forgor to mention btw that Meld armor would've really just buffed all of these in ways specific to the weapon instead of bein' the dubiously-effective rogue set it is right now

[cobalt pewter]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

there we go

[swift wharf]

xeroc armor

[cobalt pewter]

I was waiting when Empyrean would be mentioned

[hollow sentinel]

isnt hydrothermic just better than astral tho

[deft yew]

god's bellows should be an actual bellows

[sand umbra]

Empyrean sucks

it's as shrimple as that

[cobalt pewter]

we know

[swift wharf]

gods bellows hammer when

burn the walls

[sand umbra]

wind gun

2

[cobalt pewter]

I love when I get rage and wrath potion when I got hit

for some reason

[sand umbra]

(this is your cue to also add an Aerialite gun that just shoots wind)

[swift wharf]

and then tome of fates replaces the pickaxe because book that mines would be extremely epic

[eternal escarp]

all meld weapons suck but the Eventually tm hopefully well make them cool

[cobalt pewter]

(literally the WORST lunar armor and the other lunar armors are vanilla)

[sleek turret]

isn't astral like, still having those weird mining related things to it?

oh wow look

[cobalt pewter]

like how can you go far below vanilla

[eternal escarp]

astral armor also sucks yeah

[sand umbra]

ah yes
Eventually™️

I mean yeah but Astral armor sucks ass for a much different reason

[eternal escarp]

well yeah

[cobalt pewter]

astral armor

the funny

[sleek turret]

dangerens potion!!!

[wide river]

Still waiting for the day that Hydrothermic becomes Mage/Rogue and Astral becomes Mage
(This will never happen so I just wait for the planned reworks to see what happens)

[sleek turret]

on my leg piece armor

[eternal escarp]

were currently at like
aerialite

[hollow sentinel]

im not sure for other classes, but for mage i always end up having to use hydrothermic for way too long

[sand umbra]

it was designed to be an exploration armor at a tier where exploration armor is fundamentally almost useless

[eternal escarp]

itd take a bit of time to reach meld

[swift wharf]

astral armor is GOOD but zzzzz

[hollow sentinel]

because other sets suck

[cobalt pewter]

Astral armor should be preboss

[swift wharf]

hydro will soon stop being 5 helmet

astral wood armor moyai

monolith armor

[cobalt pewter]

🗿 armor

[swift wharf]

kaizo i swear to god if you say monolith

[sleek turret]

star of providence armor

[hollow sentinel]

also a small suggestion i had was to make draedon weapons include the previous weapon in progression in the crafting recipe

[sand umbra]

society if the Astral Infection actually showed up pre-boss in some capacity as a way to lead into the Hardmode iteration

[swift wharf]

killawitharocka

[cobalt pewter]

what's your estimates? I'm guessing the second heat death of the universe

( gonna be a while)

[swift wharf]

society if the super secret astral infection doc still existed

[sand umbra]

imagine if later Arsenal tiers included substantial upgrades to early tiers' weapons

[cobalt pewter]

"doc era", I say, as I was making exo balls doc

[deft yew]

shoutout to dynamic pursuer why does it

[sand umbra]

exo Balls? Smalls. doc

[deft yew]

...exist?

[swift wharf]

the DOC was so good too bad iban trashed it

[sand umbra]

what the fuck is a Dynamic Pursuer

[eternal escarp]

i hate giving estimates because theyd likely be incorrect due to idfk
but probably will take quite a bit 😔
after aerialite wed likely go Daedalus (statigel skipped for now)

[cobalt pewter]

Tracking Disk upgrade, post yharon

[deft yew]

tracking disk but auric but Lag

[eternal escarp]

from then on, idk!

[swift wharf]

I have no opinion on Dynamic Pursuer I have not touched it

[cobalt pewter]

[[Dynamic Pursuer]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Dynamic_Pursuer

[sand umbra]

I have never heard of this item until now

what the fuck

[cobalt pewter]

tis new

[eternal escarp]

relatively new iirc

[cobalt pewter]

ish

[sleek turret]

it's a new item

[cobalt pewter]

for you, it's new

[eternal escarp]

actually i forgot it existed aswell

so dont blame you either way

[sand umbra]

I see

[swift wharf]

it was one of the new arsenal gear added

other being https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Anomaly's_Nanogun

[sand umbra]

anyway why does it look like a fuckin' boomerang

[wide river]

Yeah that's totally fair

[cobalt pewter]

I was excited for a Tracking Disk upgrade (because Tracking Disk is fun)

but lmao it's like

gone

[sand umbra]

isn't it supposed to be an upgrade to two different disk weapons

[cobalt pewter]

pood

poof

[swift wharf]

It is one

[cobalt pewter]

FUCK

[sand umbra]

so are the disks it's made from

[swift wharf]

i mean

[cobalt pewter]

me when Equanimity exists (it's Terra Disk fodder)

I JUST REMEMBERED
THIS STUPID THING

[swift wharf]

other weapons do that so xd

[sand umbra]

this isn't anything major btw this is literally just me bein' a nitpicky asshole for the sake of it

[swift wharf]

equanimity is good :(

[cobalt pewter]

Dynamic Pursuer is literally Tracking Disk but dogshit

you can't juggle with it

[sand umbra]

Equa...eua...eq.......ea..........fuckin' English

[swift wharf]

terra disk is a super villain tho it killed my pet fly

[cobalt pewter]

you have to see Nychthemeron

absolute peak English

[sand umbra]

that one's even worse

[swift wharf]

nychthemeron is also cool i think

clock balls

[cobalt pewter]

I know

the name is funny is all

[sand umbra]

it's cool but I can't write its name from memory to save my life

[cobalt pewter]

it deleted cultist

(idk now)

[swift wharf]

what did not delete cultist

[cobalt pewter]

then again, lots of things would delete cultist

[swift wharf]

skyfin bombers

[cobalt pewter]

but I don't need to move with this one

[swift wharf]

👴

[cobalt pewter]

GOD

skyfin was such a menace weapon

[swift wharf]

actual gmod nuke

[sand umbra]

the dissonant duality of upgrade designs

[swift wharf]

so it's melee

[cobalt pewter]

do not dig the past

dissonant duality was never real, thomas

[swift wharf]

leftover recipe when melee/rogue separation

[eternal escarp]

anywhay
as i said i super agree with the terra i think it should be living shard themed rather than terra X
elemental im indifferent mostly because i think its a cool pallette, and idk what else it could be turned into

[cobalt pewter]

this was such an era

[swift wharf]

blast living shards literally look like terra blade..................

[eternal escarp]

wrong!

[swift wharf]

unwrong

[eternal escarp]

well half wrong

[sand umbra]

elemental im indifferent mostly because i think its a cool pallette, and idk what else it could be turned into
my brother in Christ it's a set made from materials from the stars above (funny reference)

[cobalt pewter]

spriters when they can change the reality of visuals:

[swift wharf]

ignore the fact that terra blade is janded

[eternal escarp]

its like similar but the living shards would look cooler than whatever terra blade is copypasted on all weapons

[sand umbra]

janded and grixeled and whatever other terms you spriter people use nowadays

[cobalt pewter]

spriter language

[eternal escarp]

i myself, dont have any ideas
i dont mean there arent any

[wide river]

Ok I have a really stupid suggestion idea from yesterday since we're on the topic of recipes
So you know the Uelibloom-tier Arsenal stuff? It's sorted like this, with Mysterious Circuitry and Dubious Plating being on top
For some strange reason, Freedom Star (crafted with the exact same ingredients at the same crafting station) has Mysterious Circuitry and Dubious Plating on the bottom

[sand umbra]

spriter language confuses me

[sleek turret]

janded, grixeled

ombgused sprite

[eternal escarp]

isnt that dono weapon

[cobalt pewter]

probably because it's not an explicitly arsenal weapon, idfk

consistency when it

[deft yew]

dedicated content

[wide river]

Yes it is
But like
Why

[cobalt pewter]

oh of COURSE

[eternal escarp]

idk ask the dono

[cobalt pewter]

people with money to spend on a terraria mod tend to be quirky

[royal tapir]

Why would you have to ask the donator to swap the order of stuff in the recipe

[deft yew]

freedom star is also secretly a charged blaster cannon clone

[royal tapir]

[deft yew]

bug fact

[swift wharf]

freedom star also exists in 3 other mods

[deft yew]

oh yeah lo

[cobalt pewter]

also in Gungeon

[deft yew]

WHAT

[cobalt pewter]

wait was it

I think M

mmmm

[swift wharf]

surely at this point you would just code it yourself instead of paying for it but you do you

porality star no?

or smth

[deft yew]

true!

[cobalt pewter]

there's literally every reference gun in Gungeon

I forgot

[swift wharf]

polaris

[deft yew]

i mean given its function being

Vanilla weapon

[sleek turret]

polaris (A nuke)

[undone cedar]

It was removed from MoR

I think

I argued for it to be i think it worked

[swift wharf]

lmao

[undone cedar]

Yeah it was removed

[undone cedar]

Final boss still doesn’t have a ranger drop now

[wide river]

Who needs ranger content when you can give melee more options?

-The design philosophy of every Terraria mod and Terraria itself, apparently

[swift wharf]

no loss because final boss

(Obligatory listen to Xenostate)

[drowsy plank]

freedom star is literally a polaris parrotfish upgrade idk why this dude implemented a SECOND cave story Polar Star reference and i mean im not complaining it is just very funny that we have it twice

[swift wharf]

donors ☕

[wide river]

Because clearly this weapon needs to be in every mod

[drowsy plank]

so true

cave story sweep! !! 1 !