suggestions-discussion

[hybrid steeple]

"beef" (people like shitting on calamity because it makes people mad online)

[glass arch]

its not an overarching beef but there are definitely people in both communities who want the other community dead in a ditch 3 miles east of dallas

[hybrid steeple]

when the trolling is trollful

[buoyant idol]

The suggestion is definitely thinks that the ultimate form of rebellion is rebelling in the first place despite the inevitable failure

Or it’s just a fool

[hybrid steeple]

sisyphuspilled

[buoyant idol]

Finally, somebody who understands

[distant gyro]

when the internet attention

[buoyant idol]

I love pushing boulders up hills and rolling them down

[hybrid steeple]

^^^^

i think a lot of people on the internet have forgotten that trolls are a thing beyond the funny internet face

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps

[ashen warren]

Not really

Afaik

[glass arch]

or they just enjoy conflict

[ashen warren]

Both communities just like their mod I never really see fights ever

[buoyant idol]

Life is too easy, people make new conflict to fill the void of struggle

[wide river]

I think it was more prominent back when Calamity was bloated with needless difficulties

[glass arch]

the meeting of 2 trolls is either an earth shattering event or not even a conversation starter

[buoyant idol]

Me with the iron heart armageddon defiled death mode

[hybrid steeple]

unstoppable force meets immovable object

[glass arch]

either it goes to the 9th circle of hell immediately or goes nowhere

[buoyant idol]

Funnily enough, I calculated what would happen if that would happen

[ashen warren]

Pretty sure thorium adds more fish guns so it is also a 10/10 mod

[buoyant idol]

That makes two unstoppables, the trolls spread

[swift wharf]

and the lesson is

you should play starlight rive

[wide river]

Ture

[glass arch]

when that happens the unstoppable force simply ascends above the immovable object and continues on its path

[ashen warren]

H

[wide river]

I

[glass arch]

J

[swift wharf]

nuh uh

suggestion discussioning

[ashen warren]

Suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

fym nuh uh

(okay what's actually happening here)

[ashen warren]

Idk

[hybrid steeple]

she nuh on my uh til i suggesiton discussion

[ashen warren]

:3

[hybrid steeple]

:3c, even

[glass arch]

@hearty obsidian hey your people are here

[ashen warren]

I am the storm that is approaching

[buoyant idol]

Provoking black clouds in isolation

[high nest]

I think we should all vote yes on the suggestion about Hoppin' Jack, as an unbiased party with no prior involvement :)

[ashen warren]

I voted

I think

[hearty obsidian]

:3

[ashen warren]

^w^

[buoyant idol]

I’m tempted to make one of those uncle sam posters about the Hoppin Jack suggestion

[ripe owl]

Why can't you guys stay on topic for at least 5 minutes

[ashen warren]

What the fuck is a hoppin Jack!!!!!!

[hybrid steeple]

we stayed on topic for about a minute

[high nest]

Him a jackolantern that hop

[ripe owl]

That's not five

[buoyant idol]

He immune to royal gel

[ashen warren]

Sounds like a great enemy

[high nest]

Truly the ultimate lifeform

Its a very cute enemy

[ashen warren]

Hopping Jack>something

[buoyant idol]

He is green and orange

[hybrid steeple]

impossible

[ashen warren]

1 is basically 2

[hybrid steeple]

and 2 is basically 3

[ripe owl]

And now you're offtopic again

[buoyant idol]

3 more or less is 4

[ashen warren]

Clamity

[hybrid steeple]

and 3 is more than halfway to 5 so we can round up

[high nest]

Halloween is always relevant

[buoyant idol]

Clamitas

[ashen warren]

Yeah so it’s basically 5

Which means we win

[buoyant idol]

Take that universe!

[ripe owl]

No, you just got off the topic of suggestions

Which means you lost

[ashen warren]

Ohhh

Uh hoppin jack

Fairy boots

[buoyant idol]

I suggest to be offtopic

[ripe owl]

I think I should repost my Empyrean armor suggestion

[ashen warren]

I agree

[ripe owl]

That's not how it works you silly billy

[buoyant idol]

[high nest]

Let's return to the topic of my child, my lovely son, hoppin' jack, who truly loves halloween and could bring the joy of the season to all of us any time of year if given the chance :)

[ashen warren]

Hoppin Jack best enemy

[buoyant idol]

He drops gel too!

[high nest]

He does not

Because he is not a slime

[ashen warren]

Does he drop pumpkin

[buoyant idol]

No

[high nest]

No he just drops coins

[ashen warren]

Very useful enemy

[hybrid steeple]

**Go offtopic in #suggestions-discussion **
#suggestions-discussion gameplay is very bland as of now. The entire gameplay loop is just wait for suggestion, talk about sugggestion, repeat. Adding some new activities, like going offtopic, would greatly improve the experience of #suggestions-discussion.

[high nest]

But if you vote, he could drop the bloody machete and bladed gloves in pre hardmode :)

[buoyant idol]

⭐

[ripe owl]

No, that's not how it works as well

Get ❗ed

[ashen warren]

Looks good plz post

[buoyant idol]

I suggest to remove Zavarski from this channel until off topic is over

[ashen warren]

[ripe owl]

I suggest you to just talk about suggestions, for the sake of it

[high nest]

⭐

[ashen warren]

I love suggestions

[buoyant idol]

Same

[wide river]

I'd vote for this

[buoyant idol]

I suggest somebody suggests

[hybrid steeple]

so how about those uhhhhh meteorite spawn conditions

[ashen warren]

Plz make heat spirit drop bloodstone fabsol

[wide river]

Gimme a moment I'll write a new one up

[ashen warren]

⭐

[buoyant idol]

Remove earth elemental he smell funny

[ashen warren]

Plz add the pure nail from hollow knight

[kindred skiff]

**Lock #suggestions-posting **

We get a lot of suggestions that don’t make it because they don’t abide by rules or they don’t get enough recognition. There isn’t really a point in suggesting things, so we should just lock the channel

[ashen warren]

Anything to change?

[wide river]

Add "it would be cool" smh

[buoyant idol]

Remove perrenial broadsword cuz me no like

[kindred skiff]

You didn’t add a cherry on top

[ripe owl]

I changed my mind as I'm not satisfied with the suggestion, and trying to rewrite it will not take me anywhere further

[ashen warren]

I love how that’s the reasoning for like half the suggestions that get posted

[high nest]

I think obscure things nobody cares about, like Hoppin' Jack, are actually the most important thing, and in fact, all future suggestions should only involve minutia that half the playerbase had never heard of

[buoyant idol]

I suggest @buoyant idol is removed from this chat

[kindred skiff]

I think calamity should just make Tmod 1.4.4

[ashen warren]

❗

[wide river]

The obscure things that no one cares about are the things that get the most votes
See: The Icicle Arrow suggestion

[buoyant idol]

[kindred skiff]

Or the astral grass hay one

[hybrid steeple]

rock grey rarity sugg

[ashen warren]

I’d literally never use those but would still vote for it

[kindred skiff]

Remove progression from calamity because I don’t like it

[high nest]

Okay I gotta be real if it aint even a little niche or stupid is it really worth suggesting

[kindred skiff]

Imagine writing a whole ass essay only for it to be ❗‘d

[hybrid steeple]

yes

[high nest]

Fair enough

I am refuted

[buoyant idol]

Me posting my entire 80k word book in suggestions, only to be met with 🗜️

[kindred skiff]

Format it correctly next time

[wide river]

Can't decide which suggestion to write
Pick a number between 1 and 7

[glass arch]

5

[kindred skiff]

3

[high nest]

6

[buoyant idol]

Pi

[hybrid steeple]

7

[ashen warren]

1234567

[wide river]

Aight, so what's been voted on is:
Remove the "Jetstream Sam" Easter Egg from Murasama
Add more classless weapons
Rework Luxor's Gift
and
Rework the Auric Soul Artifact

I shall write one of these four and these four only

[ashen warren]

Jetstream

Sam

[buoyant idol]

Wait oh no a real discussion, I better get outta here. Sorry for being cringe

[high nest]

What easter egg its his sword

of course he can use it

[hybrid steeple]

the one where you can use it early

[wide river]

If you have "Jetstream Sam" as the player's name, it lets you use the Murasama early
This is a scourge towards balancing because it just lets you use a post-Yharon weapon in the pre-boss stage

[ashen warren]

All I ever hear about it is like “my friend ruined my playthrough by naming himself jetstream Sam”

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[ashen warren]

All this reference does is annoy the shut out of other people usually

[hybrid steeple]

like ok "its easter egg content" but.

[high nest]

Make it not work in multiplayer then

[ashen warren]

We all know it’s referencing jetstream sams murasama

It just also ruins people’s experience of the mod

Lots of people call calamity easy because they used murasama the entire run

[hybrid steeple]

rework auric soula artifact

[wide river]

If people want to use a stupidly overpowered weapon that early, then just use Cheat Sheet or something

[hybrid steeple]

auric soul artifact is fucking lame

[ashen warren]

^

[high nest]

In a single player context folks can do whatever they want anyway is there any real difference between that and using cheatsheet to grab a shadowspec weapon

[hybrid steeple]

like the other suggs are cool but auric soul artifact is such a dumb accessory

[high nest]

In multiplayer tho I can see the argument

[ashen warren]

I also just feel it’s unneeded as everyone already understands the reference

[wide river]

Hmm
I'll write up both suggestions and decide which to post after they're both done

[cobalt pewter]

you mean GSA? did they rename it? I don't remember

[wide river]

It got renamed, yeah

[high nest]

Actually wait you can rename characters now cant you

[cobalt pewter]

you can?

[sleek turret]

yeah

[high nest]

Yeah I changed my mind scrap the easter egg it loses all meaning if you can rename your char

[cobalt pewter]

but I think the sam easter egg and luxor for me

the latter moreso because I find Luxor kinda ehhhhhhhhhh atm

[sleek turret]

all easter eggs that need to use a specific name lose all meaning

[cobalt pewter]

sure you can rework gsa (or asa now ig lol)

but luxor is the same deal as multihelmet armors

I don't think there's any place for more classess weapons atm? but it's not a bad thing to sugg ig

[high nest]

Well before being able to rename murasama early was a mark of shame like you gotta live with being Jetstream Sam the entire run (short as it will be) but now you dont even got that

[ashen warren]

Good suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

wdym Jetstream Sam is a cool name

[hybrid steeple]

got renamed because lore

[high nest]

Yeah but you know its just to use the thing to cheese the entire game

[ashen warren]

Hate indescriptive tool tips

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah, renaming feature basically makes the easter egg rather exploitative

[wide river]

The name is cool, yeah
The effects of having the name are not

[high nest]

I think being able to rename makes that name easter egg worth removing entirely

[cobalt pewter]

instead you should be able to launch murasama

(damn that sugg of mine is old)

[high nest]

I dunno all the rest of the name stuff but most of it is starter bag stuff for supporters right?

So like kinda a different level than the murasama sequence break

[sleek turret]

yeah for like 1-2 supporters

[cobalt pewter]

a lot of name stuff in vanilla are changing colors of eol drops

in cal there are a handful of non-generic things, but mostly vanity

[sleek turret]

and ultrakill reference weapons when named V1/Mirage play ORDER when using the coins

[wide river]

There's a dev/donor pet in the Starter Bag, but aside from that I can't think of anything substantial like Murasama

Murasama's the only thing that'll let you just... ignore the game

[cobalt pewter]

a lot of MGR stuff in cal is worth a detailed stare

like the ugly hp bar

[hybrid steeple]

calamity really needs a new hp bar

[high nest]

The boss hp bar?

[hybrid steeple]

byeah jetstream sam name should just do this

[cobalt pewter]

ye

the boss hp bar

[high nest]

I dont have any strong feelings on it

[ashen warren]

I like the boss hp bar tbh

[hybrid steeple]

make it play the only thing i know for real or something

[cobalt pewter]

which is a rip-off of mgr boss hp bar

[sleek turret]

is it legal to do that though

[hybrid steeple]

its not even a ripoff its just ripped from mgrr

they just added the numbers

[cobalt pewter]

which is extremely outdated and no longer lines up with the artistic style of calamity

[hybrid steeple]

it never did really

[high nest]

I dunno it kinda matches the draedon scifi junk right

[hybrid steeple]

no

[glass arch]

not really

[hybrid steeple]

it really doesnt

[ashen warren]

I’d hope they atleast keep it as like a legacy boss bar

[cobalt pewter]

calamity never really had a defined style back when this was added

[glass arch]

actually it just straight up doesnt

[cobalt pewter]

it's a mish mash of shit

[ashen warren]

It’s not bulky and that’s the only reason I like it

[sleek turret]

because from my knowledge there's a private ultrakill server that fab and hakita are/were there and they probably debated for perms of using the track

[cobalt pewter]

I would LOVE to have a Draedong style boss hp bar

[sleek turret]

this is an assumption btw

[wide river]

It's been here for 5 years and it's not really gotten better
Maybe someday it'll get changed, or at least just changed to not be the MGR:R healthbar

[hybrid steeple]

infernum healthbar would be my ideal but. infernum already did it

[ashen warren]

I don’t want it to be removed because it’s just an actually good health bar imo

[cobalt pewter]

actually go fuckin ball and design multiple hp bars, the selection is there for a reason

I mean functionally they can just be the same

it's just visually irritating

[high nest]

I think a draedon sci-fi look to be scouter-ing their power level for the hp bar would be fine, I dont think something like, brimstone and red and fire and calamity lookin would be very functional to look at

[glass arch]

there should be a suggestion to redo the cal hp bar but im not sure how well itd go over with the devs code-wise

[hybrid steeple]

infernum hp bar is the only infernum thing id want in base cal

[hybrid steeple]

it doesnt have to be over-the-top brimstone fire it just has to be not Literally Just Metal Gear Rising

[ashen warren]

I like how descriptive the infernum hp bar is bit

[glass arch]

what about cv being in the dungeon

[ashen warren]

It’s way too fucking bulky

[hybrid steeple]

its cool but

[wide river]

So-called "foreshadowing" when it just puts the boss there

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

its foredarknessing

[high nest]

I am still learning the shorthand yall use what is cv

[wide river]

Ceaseless Void

[hybrid steeple]

ceaseless void

fuclk

[high nest]

Ah thanks

[wide river]

Coice Vhat

[hybrid steeple]

🐌

[cobalt pewter]

foreskinning

[ashen warren]

[cobalt pewter]

but uh yeah sidetracked a bit

[glass arch]

only god can forgive you for this and it is my job to send you to him

[cobalt pewter]

luxor needs a change imo

[hybrid steeple]

[glass arch]

nah luxors is pretty unique

[hybrid steeple]

luxors is fine

[cobalt pewter]

4 boring projectiles that do slightly different and a silly summon

[ashen warren]

Luxor’s is fine as is

[hybrid steeple]

auric soul artifact is so lame

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Auric_Soul_Artifact

[ashen warren]

Is it even good?

I’ve never touched it

[hybrid steeple]

idk but its boring

[wide river]

It's just "Oh hey you get marginally benefitted for using the one summon repeatedly, such a cool accessory for this late in the game"

[ashen warren]

Make it a yharon tame

[hybrid steeple]

i love accessories that benefit one weapon

[high nest]

oh yeah that is kinda underwhelming considering the hype name

[hybrid steeple]

it could be cool

[high nest]

Cool name, niche and boring effect

[hybrid steeple]

its linked to auric souls

[hearty obsidian]

i guess maybe

[hybrid steeple]

but its just a minor kindle staff buff

[hearty obsidian]

if you can get 3 kindles than that's 3 extra slots for mechworm or whatever

it's good but

just not well designed

[wide river]

Well, seeing as the Hydrothermic rework is already (sort of) planned, I'll remove that one and then post both the Murasama and Auric Soul Artifact ones

[hearty obsidian]

thanks ench🙏

[grim tusk]

Remember when Auric soul gave you kindles for free

It was so fucking busted

[wide river]

It was two of them, right?

[crude geode]

Yep

now auric soul is both incredibly boring and mid (probably, idk)

[wide river]

I haven't seen a single person get recommended to use it, so I definitely wouldn't call it good

[grim tusk]

Clearly it should be reworked so that the player absorbs part of an auric soul and gets empowered for few seconds /j

[crude geode]

what

[cobalt pewter]

the soul artifacts are weird in general

[crude geode]

yep

[cobalt pewter]

they're old relics of when these items used to spawn future bosses

[wide river]

I heard ESA is dying, Dimensional is staying, and Auric could really do with a rework

[ashen warren]

What’s esa again

[cobalt pewter]

(outside of psa that is, since that one's dev)

[crude geode]

I like the approach profaned has, I just wish the others followed simiilarly

[small timber]

speaking of celestial onion, cal have no intention to make celestial onion to do anything on master mode right?

[wide river]

Eldritch Soul Artifact

[sleek turret]

eldritch soul artifact

[ashen warren]

No

[grim tusk]

Donor*

[sleek turret]

the stat stick™

[hybrid steeple]

eeeh that feels weird with lore
i think it should just be something dragon related thats actually cool

[cobalt pewter]

hm, so psc is dev and psa is dono?

[grim tusk]

ESA is dying balance wise
Afaik it aint getting removed

[grim tusk]

Ye

[small timber]

hear me out, what if, just what if;

they remove the master mode auto +1 at the start of the game, that way celestial onion do something

[cobalt pewter]

[grim tusk]

But I want ‘DRAGON INSTALL’/j

[grim tusk]

No

[wide river]

Ok, good to know
The word "dying" is a bit confusing now since it can mean "being removed" or "being massively nerfed"

[grim tusk]

Master is horrid with only 5 slots

[random pasture]

Auric soul should give you spelunking for auric ore

[ashen warren]

Yeah esa looks pretty dumb from like half reading the wiki for 5 seconds

[grim tusk]

ESA dying aka:
Minion slots removed

Maybe it already happened

[sleek turret]

brainstorming shit here just make ASA be like some bar of auric soul that enemies drop when you hit them every now and then and you press Ñ to release some charge attack or smth

[hybrid steeple]

wjat

[wide river]

It got nerfed from 2 slots to 1, but they haven't been fully removed afaik

[hybrid steeple]

bar of auric soul

[cobalt pewter]

DSA should make a shattering screen effect whenever you got hit for a lot of damage, so that I can make a mod that plays the first 5 seconds of Kamen Rider Ryuki's opening, 『Alive a life』TV-Size whenever that happens

it'd be funny

but either way uhhh

[ashen warren]

That just sounds annoying

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not sure what's the direction with Auric in general so I don't have any ideas for ASA

[crude geode]

I'd like if it all of them had something to do with their bosses and benefitted a certain class

[sleek turret]

yeah i'm just brainstorming without any decent knowledge of what the lore just says neither wtf is the auric state rn

[crude geode]

(eldritch literally needs to be a mage acc. I'm dying here)

[wide river]

What if Auric Soul Artifact was the thing to give Auric Rejection immunity
Obviously can't suggest it because there's like 2 other Auric Rejection suggestions already, but it's an idea

[cobalt pewter]

why

[wide river]

Idk
Both are Auric, I guess?

[grim tusk]

Lead core dos

[hybrid steeple]

i mean a: thats still lame

[ashen warren]

Make auric rejection less annoying tbh

[crude geode]

TRUE.

[hybrid steeple]

and b: i feel like that wouldnt make you immune

[crude geode]

facts

[cobalt pewter]

Auric Rejection should just not be a thing past, idk, scal or exos or both

[sleek turret]

tbh the thematic around artifacts is like more combat side accs instead of exploration/etc side accs

[ashen warren]

Just make auric rejection inflict electrified

Auric rejection is just annoying

It’s not a cool mechanic at all imo

[hybrid steeple]

auric rejection is fun

[grim tusk]

Auric rejection plinko

[crude geode]

make it so auric rejection boots up a version of peggle that refuses to close until you ace a level

[high nest]

auric rejection pong

[ashen warren]

It’s fun to like shoot myself across the map with auric ore though

[grim tusk]

Ok we have gone offtopic enough

[ashen warren]

[crude geode]

this would be my thoughts on the artifacts

[grim tusk]

But these has given me some ideas

[crude geode]

too many accessories post ml just give bland af stat blends to all classes

[high nest]

You have stolen the ideas without allowing us the dopamine of a suggestion post. heinous

[sleek turret]

my thoughts on artifacts is that they should be combat side accs with some special good looking and good for bosses and combat that differentiate from the average debuff inflict or stat stick acc

[wide river]

Aight, before I properly suggest these, any feedback?

Rework the Auric Soul Artifact

Auric Soul Artifact, formerly called Godly Soul Artifact, got renamed due to a recent lore rewrite. It's supposed to be connected to Auric Souls, and while it does make a connection to these, the connection isn't executed very well, as it gives benefits to a summon dropped by Yharon: Yharon's Kindle Staff. However, it only gives boosts to this single summon, and is useless with everything else. As such, it remains as an incredibly niche accessory, and is unusable with any other strategies. Due to this, I feel it should be reworked, and have a better effect than just "hey this one summon gets mildly buffed".

Remove the "Jetstream Sam" Easter Egg from Murasama, or change what it does

Currently, you can use the Murasama (the red one from the Underworld, not the blue one from the Dungeon) far earlier than you're supposed to, by using the name "Jetstream Sam", or "Samuel Rodrigues". This allows players to essentially just steamroll the entire game with what is normally a post-Yharon weapon. Needless to say, this is unacceptable. As well as this, players can simply make the whole Easter Egg pointless by renaming themselves to Jetstream Sam, essentially letting it act as a butcher tool for nearly every pre-Yharon boss.

Even if the Easter Egg isn't outright removed, it could be changed to be something more like the Crackshot Colt's Easter Egg, where having certain names will play a music track when the weapon is used. Simply changing the Easter Egg to not give a functional benefit may be preferable, as that way the Easter Egg can stay without being a scourge to gameplay and balancing.

[golden sonnet]

I feel the first one doesn't need to mention the lore or rename at all, it just doesn't feel like it's very relevant reasoning

[wide river]

Alright, so get rid of that line, noted

[golden sonnet]

Just my opinion, others might disagree idk

[wide river]

Was there anything that needed to be changed about the second one, in your opinion?

[hybrid steeple]

nah lore is relevant imo

[small timber]

the reason all those weapon use convert (or have majority of their effect being convert locked) is extremely simple: it will be incredibly broken otherwise

tldr is just marksman round on AMR is already better than the convert, let alone convert bullet swam effect + marksman round

[fathom aspen]

which is why I worded "damage can be reduced"

the idea was just giving the weapon more possibilities

[ashen warren]

Gss convert yay

[glass arch]

the issue with that is

at the point you have those why use anything but convert or marksman

[shut pollen]

if the onion one isn’t accepted I would be shocked

100% win with 0 cons

[small timber]

"damage can be reduced" is extremely subjective because you basically have to balance around every single bullet in the game; for holy fire should it be reduced by 50% or 70%? for marksman round should it be 90%? or for tungsten should it be buffed by 20% because other bullets being able to crit for bullet swarm make it is now too weak?

[glass arch]

theres a total of one post dog bullet, allowing that to have a convert doesnt really add more diversity

[small timber]

or god slayer slug? terra bullet? bloodfire? or even icy bullet?

[halcyon zealot]

A couple qol ones like those have disappeared, it's a coinflip

[glass arch]

fucking

that probably removes diversity from a rangers build

[halcyon zealot]

I enjoy the sentiment of the bullet sugg and want to see it happen
But the implementation certainly does seem problematic

[glass arch]

because most of the time rangers dont use anything but god slayer slugs, with pretty much the only exceptions being convert guns

[fathom aspen]

which is a problem in my perspective
I would have to switch between musket and gs slug if I want to use some combinations like "minigun + tyranny's end" for a fight

[halcyon zealot]

I dislike that as well

[glass arch]

i found a total of 2 post dog guns that have converts (not taking post yharon etc into account) and one of em is barely a convert because it also shoots normal bullets

well no i forgot karasawa doesnt use rockets

[drowsy plank]

i

what

that is just not true at all i didnt even know it did that what

it's know for being the big heavy gun that inflicts mark for death, the rain of bullets is neither unique nor iconic

if any weapon is know for raining down bullets it's conference call and hyperion rounds

[fathom aspen]

SDFMG has water rockets, Onyxia has Onyx shards, Karasawa converts everything and basically fires a laser, Infinity has LMB and RMB, Rubico Prime converts everything
imho atl among Post-DoG guns AMR is the least unique one when using GSS

[drowsy plank]

also fuck ammos
AMR's best ammo being convert is a GOOD thing

[fathom aspen]

for me it's both MarkforDeath and the bullet rain

[glass arch]

having converts means you actually have to think when using the weapon

[drowsy plank]

sdfmg and onyixa might as well be the same thing
and literally every other weapons you listed are just pure bullet hoses basically

amr is already unique by being a rifle because there are only like... 5 rifles in the whole game. they're like star cannons

[glass arch]

the reason i didnt take into account sdfmg and onyxia is because the rockets and shards are an additional effect, and not really a convert because its not changing your bullets into anything new

and rubico prime i just forgot exists

[fathom aspen]

yeah rifle is unique in a way
but other converts like Universal Genesis (which I guess is a case where you should use convert) still have enough identity even if you don't use musket balls, as it rain down stars whatsoever
but amr just shoots a...regular bullet and nothing else

[drowsy plank]

well i think we already established AMR's convert does have unique properties

[glass arch]

yeah you

[drowsy plank]

it inflicts marked and rains bullets down

[glass arch]

literally brought that up in the sugg

[glass arch]

(actually marked is from any bullet according to the wiki)

[drowsy plank]

what you're asking for is basically the opposite of letting the convert be unique?

huh aight

no idea how they pulled that one off lmfao

[glass arch]

idk i can check real quick

real quick is a relative term here

[fathom aspen]

iirc marked is convert-only.

[glass arch]

yea it is

just checked

[drowsy plank]

ha

knew it

lul

yeah it'd be next to impossible for normal shots to inflict it without either a second projectile or making a cloned instance of EVERY ammo JUST for AMR

this is why terraria ammo sucks =D

[fathom aspen]

what I was asking is letting weapon be unique rather than making conver un-unique

[glass arch]

i should fix that on the wiki bc the wording is extremely confusing

[glass arch]

no making the convert work with anything makes it a lot less unique

[drowsy plank]

prolly

all ur doing is turning it into conference call 2 despite the fact it upgrades from shroomer

[fathom aspen]

while the convert thing itself is conference call 2 despite the fact it upgrades from shroomer?

[drowsy plank]

well there's a crucial point we're forgetting here

which is that you couldnt do the on crit thing with non-converts

so it would just always have the bullet rain

while at least the convert having a hyperius on crit is at least mildly more interesting

[fathom aspen]

uhh seems I can't understand that well, why couldnt?

[drowsy plank]

same reason they dont inflict marked for death lol

[glass arch]

point is if you make every bullet behave the exact same it gets kinda boring

[drowsy plank]

the rifle cant check for the crit because it isnt the rifle critting, it's the bullet, which is why it has to be on convert because converts are more like giving the weapon an ammoless projectile

which belongs to the rifle still so it can check it- and do you see why i hate terraria's ammo system

[fathom aspen]

make the damage% inherited by other bullet less, so penetrating bullets can deal crowds&worms and terra bullets can deal with single targets while not being super-broken

[glass arch]

its kinda like if you made every single bullet just a reskinned musket ball, theres no difference aside from stats, except in this case to make it balanced there has to be actively no different stats

[glass arch]

and the thing about this is

[fathom aspen]

I might need to mention: it's basically possible and easy to implement with just some modifications in item's shoot function code-wise
add a bool to the projectile when firing it, in the weapon's Shoot()
check it in Calamity's GlobalProjectiles in ModifyHitNPC()
And that's it, roughly 5 minutes' work
And in this way you basically Can check critical hits and inflict marked

[glass arch]

when you're converting a bullet it doesnt always take the same properties as the bullet you used

for example god slayer slugs dont behave like god slayer slugs when fired from rubico prime

they behave like literally everything else

there would be actively no difference

[glass arch]

also im pretty sure the game doesnt check what weapon a projectile was fired from, just if it was fired by a player or an npc

[fathom aspen]

the game itself doesn't check, but you can make it do so with just a dozen or so lines of code

[glass arch]

anyways its almost 1 am i gotta sleep

[fathom aspen]

oh well

[glass arch]

oh yeah another thing for that

that sounds like it only works if the bullet used and the projectile fired are the same

which doesnt work for converts

[fathom aspen]

...as the convert mechanic is also from the weapon itself, this does not actually interrupt how said method works either

[hollow ridge]

oh

got

another?

[random pasture]

Its almost like terraria is a 12 year old game that was never intended to become as big as it is now and is a cobbled together mess of spaghetti code and weird physics jank

[last widget]

thorium better

[random pasture]

Thank you, very cool

[kindred skiff]

Based

[last widget]

side note i didnt mean it

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[ashen warren]

[shut pollen]

narrowly avoiding a ban (real)

[kindred skiff]

Dead chat XD

[drowsy plank]

[random talon]

time to make it alive with a new suggestion!

now, does the Sunken Sea have their own torch type?

I think they did, I think it was a prism torch or something

[wide river]

Sunken Sea has Navy Prism Torch, Algal Prism Torch, and Refractive Prism Torch

[random talon]

oh damn

well, something tells me that Torch God ain't gonna enjoy placing 3 torches at once

[drowsy plank]

and also ultrabright technically lol

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Yharim's Gift an Auric Immunity like Auric Tesla]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@frosty trellis - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Swap the Schematic Placements of the Space and Sunken Sea Labs, so the Space Schematic is the first one]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Celestial Tracers should have Auric rejection immunity.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

No fucking way

[grizzled dome]

on which one?

[ripe owl]

Yharim Gift vs Celestial Trades

[ornate kestrel]

Bs

[grizzled dome]

fair

[ornate kestrel]

Yharim's made more sense

[bright crag]

Eh, not really

[ornate kestrel]

Wait

[bright crag]

I didn't vote in favor of either but

[ornate kestrel]

Lemme go back and read it

[wide river]

So... making Celestial Tracers better was deemed to be better...
I couldn't say that I approve of this, but it is what it is. Hopefully Tracers get some sort of change to accommodate for this.

[bright crag]

Celestial Tracers seems better lore-wise but also worse gameplay-wise

Because everyone will use it anyways

No "effort" there

[random talon]

Calamity mod has an item that gives you minion slots based on your amount of Draconids, but you craft the item well before you get Draconids

[bright crag]

Just pure convenience

[ripe owl]

Yharim's Gift, like what the fuck is it even in the first place? What's it made out of? I don't think it's really made out of materials that can provide you with the Auric Immunity

[bright crag]

Not necessarily

[bright crag]

It isn't

[wide river]

No
Auric Soul Artifact is post-Yharon, and Yharon drops the Kindle Staff, so you obtain them both at the same time

[random talon]

oh

I mut be misremembering

[bright crag]

It's a gift from Yharim to Yharon
Hopefully it'll be reworked at one point

[random talon]

yea, it isn't very good

maybe it should increase the power of your Draconids

[ornate kestrel]

No

Stop buffing summoner

[crude geode]

[wide river]

Auric Soul Artifact tried that
It failed miserably

[random talon]

ah

[ornate kestrel]

Summoner doesn't need any more buffs

[hybrid steeple]

[crude geode]

[ripe owl]

More like "stop buffing Draconids"

[random talon]

idk, just spitballing

maybe just remove the accessory altogether

bc who actually uses it?

[novel belfry]

actualyl

[wide river]

I was thinking maybe it could be something to complement Auric Soul Artifact

[novel belfry]

maybe the Auric Soul Artifact could completely change the function of the Draconid staff

[ripe owl]

No

[novel belfry]

If you're going to only focus on one weapon for this accessory, might as well do something cool with it

[hybrid steeple]

maybe auric soul artifact could be entirely disconnected from draconid staff and do something interesting

[novel belfry]

yeah

[wide river]

^

[novel belfry]

that too

I'm just throwing out one random idea that won't be good

[ornate kestrel]

Gives you one revive, actually no

Bad idea

[ripe owl]

Making a minion AI is tedious as is. Making a second AI for the same minion is an overkill

[ornate kestrel]

But

Neh

[wide river]

We had this problem with Nebulous Core
We don't need yet another revive accessory, especially when the current one sucks

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

Uh

Releases a ring of fire balls that home if you take 50+ damage

[novel belfry]

I remembered when the Draconids (or rather Sons of Yharon) buffed the player as well

which made the original Auric Soul Artifact useful cause it also gave those buff

In addition, the Son of Yharon increases life regen by 2, increases defense by 5, and increases movement speed by 10% while summoned.

okay, not THAT useful, but there was a buff

[ornate kestrel]

Don't think that's needed

[novel belfry]

nowadays the already somewhat boring draconids are kinda just there nowadays

[umbral gazelle]

@supple sluice ❗

[kindred skiff]

Yes?

[supple sluice]

i know

i removed it because i knew it was wrong

[umbral gazelle]

❗ jumpscare incoming

[ripe owl]

What happened

[kindred skiff]

❗ happened

[wide river]

Suggestion to make add some channels in different languages or something

[ripe owl]

Another one

We the best music!

[north oracle]

wasn't there already a big discussion about how other language channels wouldn't be added

[wide river]

Didn't this just get deleted like 10 minutes ago

[cosmic karma]

server suggestions should not be done through #suggestions-posting anyways iirc

[shut pollen]

why did you just go at it twice

20 minutes apart just sending the same message?

@supple sluice what was the difference between the 2 messages I never read the first one

[swift wharf]

I almost bugsmoked the suggestion that would've been funny

and yeah it's not happening

imagine having 3 different convos at 3 different languages at the same time

[wide river]

...Isn't it also in the don'ts too?

[north oracle]

and then having a moderator who speaks none of the languages trying to deal with it

[swift wharf]

idk I haven't read the doc in a while

[wide river]

Yeah here it is

[supple sluice]

i just removed some typos and added some text, i also gave an extra space between the title and the text

[shut pollen]

ah

[north oracle]

it's still an invalid sugg

[shut pollen]

yeah the base idea of the suggestion is the issue unfortunately

[swift wharf]

Not happening, sorry

[supple sluice]

how tf do i make a valid sugg

[north oracle]

not make it about this

[swift wharf]

You don't

[shut pollen]

the idea there isn’t valid is the issue

[north oracle]

and preferably read the suggestions don't doc

[supple sluice]

i read it, but like

i was expecting for it to be added in some moment

but seeing no one ever even thinked about it

i make a suggestion

[swift wharf]

Fair enough

[shut pollen]

jg read this

the convo

[swift wharf]

But rules are rules

[supple sluice]

ok

[cobalt pewter]

1. server suggs ain't for here
2. extra language channels are moderation nightmare

[supple sluice]

i knew it probably wouldn't be accepted

it would be a chaos

[ashen warren]

Aren’t you supposed to make server suggestions in like modmail anyway

[wide river]

Yes

Server suggestions are also in the suggestion don'ts doc
It specifically directs people to the modmail in big red letters

[ashen warren]

[supple sluice]

i didn't understood wtf was a modmail

this is the reason i wrote it in #suggestions-posting

[ashen warren]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

just gonna delete that since

there is no fixing it

and we dont have mods for other languages so

it aint happening even if you modmailed us

[ripe owl]

I remember some server, I think it was some GDPS Discord, and there was an international channel where a bunch of people were having conversations on Romanian and Spanish at the same time

[north oracle]

@worldly sparrow still technically future content, wait till after the update

[ashen warren]

Bruh

Amazing suggestion

[swift wharf]

nah

[kindred skiff]

This tops the astral grass drop hay suggestion

Electric poop.

Comedy gold

[ashen warren]

2 wtf suggestions in a row

Amazing

[swift wharf]

auric comedy

shit suggestion

[glass arch]

not even that it just has literally no reasoning

[swift wharf]

HAHAHAHAGAHAHA

[kindred skiff]

NUH UH

Amazing

[swift wharf]

ive losr it

[north oracle]

i'm going to ignore the wtf parts of this and just say future content

[kindred skiff]

Magnificent

Refined suggestion

[swift wharf]

:)+()(

[ashen warren]

He didn’t even come defend his suggestion

Lol

[kindred skiff]

Truly splendid

[worldly sparrow]

thats because theres nothing to defend lmao

[ashen warren]

[kindred skiff]

Do it again when calamity 1.4.4 comes out

I’m sure everyone will love it

[worldly sparrow]

sure will

[kindred skiff]

Also I saw red said he’s adding a Dino mount to terraria

Because of his kid

[worldly sparrow]

his kid is cool

[kindred skiff]

Yes

Red is cool

[worldly sparrow]

its even gonna transform into a pterodactyl

[kindred skiff]

Yes

[ripe owl]

No way

Beast Master from BTD6 in Terraria

[random talon]

hey guys is a pet in the mod?

[random talon]

it should be a pet in the mod

[wide river]

I'm not even sure how you'd begin to make a suggestion regarding that

[random talon]

me neither

but is a bit of a server icon

he's the poster child for the asset submissions as well

[drowsy plank]

you can prolly suggest that in calval suggs

same with that uh. auric toliet sugg

lmao

[fervent orbit]

#suggestions-posting message ok but now imagine hyperius

[bright crag]

AMR balancing was entertaining

The killtime variance

[small timber]

FYI just marksman round by itself is already far better than convert on AMR on Yharon

and as an additional information: Tyranny's End + marksman round is still broken, namely on Scal

the only reason it is not widely use is because it do not work on Exo due to it unable to hit Daawnlight Spirit Origin target on Exo (no piercing), and horrendous against seeker and hearts on Scal; both of which make it so that just using the convert is better (though considering the convert is SS tier, and the fact that marksman round is not too far behind if you kill seeker and hearts with a different weapon, you can imagine it is not bad)

[royal tapir]

Speaking of the most recent suggestion in #suggestions-voting, can we talk about how DSA still has its ambiguous line even though the tooltip specifies its drawback now

[wide river]

The "but at what cost?" part?

[royal tapir]

Yeah

[wide river]

Ok yeah considering it literally says what the cost is I think that should get changed
Might just write it up real quick because minor tooltip suggestions like this don't require too much thought

[royal tapir]

I'm quite confident I even made a suggestion for it a while ago, but it didn't get through

Yup

[wide river]

Ah yes, you did indeed

Perhaps it'd just be worth resuggesting then

[small timber]

I think at some point they said the "bad tooltip" doc I wrote got sent to dev server and one of it is indeed DSA

though not sure where it is now

this doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18T4kYEf5srOd-6Hei4m9WnVoNwCN7aEy/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=100257730182736306914&rtpof=true&sd=true

abit different intention (this doc mainly is just to give greater clarification on the wording rather than to fix the flavour text), but I think is still better than current version

[fathom aspen]

and I actually tried that combination out , however even on targets as large as Yharon / Ares it isn't any better than, uh, post-ml things like gss/holy fire

As for marksmans round... personally I'd consider the ammo itself unbalanced, which should not be the main reason to limit weapon design

[frosty trellis]

It really isn't because it's good on AMR and Tyranny';s and that's kinda it, and that's WAY beyond when you normally get it

Nothing else really finds it worthwhile to use iirc

[wide river]

I don't see how anything else would be able to use it properly
Fast-firing guns or guns that fire multiple bullets would require a whole lot of coins to be out, and anything in between "sniper rifle" and "bullet hose" just has other ammo options

[fathom aspen]

Then it's an issue particularly happens whenever rifle type weapons use marksman isn't it

[small timber]

no rifle type weapon use marksman ammo is not an "issue", it make the weapon more powerful at the expense of difficulty to use the weapon

it rewards experimental and getting out of the comfort zone and to certain degree player skill; as long as it is not insanely overtuned like pre-nerf version it is not an issue

in fact currently it is undertuned because the ammo just is not worth without daawnlight spirit origin, and only with daawnlight spirit origin that it can surpass the convert effect

which is where the problem with the suggestion come from: it require the complete rebalancing of the weapon just because it want to slap the convert effect onto every single ammo, and also further emphasize the problem of continuously using certain dominant ammo type due to their inherent effect being more powerful than others (eg: god slayer slug and holy fire bullet), it makes the weapon harder to balance while also certainly will make the musketball convert to be completely gutted even if "the bullet swarm deal less damage with other bullets", because it is tedium to balance each bullet that might work with the weapon by balancing every ammo available (like I mentioned: is it -50% damage from bullet swarm on god slayer slug? -70% on holy fire? 90% for marksman? icy? hyperius?...)

this suggestion just make the rare case of "the current highest tier ammo are not necessarily optimal" weapon by ridding it of that property and force the weapon to be subject to ammo balancing like many other weapon

the one I am against is when a weapon completely convert any ammo into 1 type and basically make ammo selection useless except using the highest base damage one (eg: Auralis), which AMR is not

[fathom aspen]

maybe due to my bad wording, but all what I wanted to explain is that "it's marksman's problem to be only good when using rifles, not rifles' or skill requirement's problem"

And, I for sure might underestimated the balancing difficulty but according to a bit of testing, it's actually far more stable to balance the bullet swarm, on a single target you only need to make them deal roughly 80% of the original damage for any ammo to perform really close to how it is now, while every type of ammo still has their own advantages (luminite/gss pierces, bloodfire gives sustain, etc.); however that did not take things like point-blank into account so yeah maybe still problematic, although directly setting the swarm bullets' point-blank duration to 0 might help

[novel belfry]

I just don’t want to swap between my highest damage bullets and endless musket ball pouch

I’d rather swap between two bullet types of differing yet still useful effects

[golden tulip]

nice

[swift wharf]

LMAO

I thought both got declined

UNCANNY

go home guys tracers got more buffs

[cobalt pewter]

icb this

[swift wharf]

it's funny because

because yeah

now you can mine auric ore with demonshade !;;!;!;;;!!!

calamity lore moment

[distant gyro]

im fine with it

the entire vanilla line of terraspark boots was basically qol for the sake of it anyway

silly lava charm in boots

[swift wharf]

it's just so uneeded

and kind of cheap

because now you can just craft the boots before the armor and boom

auric rejection is not real anymore

but what do I know 🤪

[small timber]

@ Altix I think this should be implemented with the idea; it seems like a perfect fit

but yeah tldr is celestial tracer unironically make more sense to be given auric rejection immunity despite it being a more powerful item, just because it is crafted with auric bar

they just have to remove the iframe it got from nowhere

[shut pollen]

WHOOOOO

I was the person who sparked passafam to make the suggestion

we win these

the whole boots line just fits perfectly with immunity and rejection to surfaces, doesn’t matter about the popularity

[swift wharf]

it's not about the popularity..,.,,..,..,,.,.,.,.,.,.

[granite beacon]

any recommended mods to play with calamity?

[thin hill]

Not
Not the place to ask that, go to #help-advice-read-pins

[bright crag]

Tru

Also
Glassweaver Gauntlet Gang

[swift wharf]

WE LOVE MELTING GLASS!!!

I mean my problem with it is that it's too cheap imo

not that the yharim gift way is better now that I think about it

[bright crag]

That's my problem with it as well, just slapping it on an item pretty much everyone uses already

[swift wharf]

went from needing 45 auric bars

which is just "9" considering you get 5 per craft

to needing 5 bars

(1 craft)

[bright crag]

Yeah

To be fair
Yharim's Gift was the alternative, and it didn't make sense and it also was just dropped straight away

[swift wharf]

yeah

maybe if it reduced the effects of auric rejection and not nullified it

[bright crag]

I think the one advantage Gift had was requiring more intent

[bright crag]

Eh, just seems unnecessary

[swift wharf]

gift was the least worse situation imo

[frosty trellis]

(I don't get why it has the immunity when it's just boots so if you hit your head you shouldn't be fine lol)

(Also, C.tracers Do Not Need Any Sort Of Buff. They are broken as is)

[swift wharf]

not much but still slightly better than buffing tracers more

[bright crag]

I don't think either is a good option

[swift wharf]

yeah definitely

[frosty trellis]

Oh for sure

[swift wharf]

it was just 🤏 slightly better from two losses

[frosty trellis]

But giving gift a more interesting niche than just random stat stick is better than buffing a genuinely broken accessory

[marble moat]

why not just make a potion for auric rejection like obsidian skin for lava

is item bloat that big of a problem?

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

It's more just redundant

[swift wharf]

make the potion need 45 bars

[marble moat]

doesnt seem that terrible to me, its potion you use when mining dangerous/annoying ore

it sound better than simply forcing tracers to me ig

[frosty trellis]

When you can easily just get a full set of auric armor within 10-20 minutes of killing Yharon, so it doesn't really do anything

[frosty trellis]

And yes, I speak from experience

[swift wharf]

i mean the auric rejection immunity just exists because of lore tbh

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[swift wharf]

imo()

because otherwise don't touch the ore

[bright crag]

(And because people thought it'd be interesting gameplay)

[swift wharf]

honestly just kill the immunity tbh

[marble moat]

can you make terrarian peggle with auric ore

[swift wharf]

so the rejection remains interesting

[frosty trellis]

Oh also
If anything
Auric Rejection needs a fucking massive nerf rather than sources of immunity to it

Because it can yeet you across half the fucking map

[swift wharf]

quotation marks

is that really an issue

[marble moat]

wait what

[swift wharf]

in a cave

[bright crag]

I do think we must be consistent and make major worn Auric items give immunity to it

[marble moat]

i feel like if you are wearing auric armour it makes no sense to still be rejected by the ore

[bright crag]

But I feel like that should have been limited to full armor

[frosty trellis]

No
But
You can place it outside of a cave

Which makes it abusable with very little setup or anything super specific

[marble moat]

tracers doesnt really make much sense

[swift wharf]

abuses will be abused

[marble moat]

how far does it chuck you

[swift wharf]

but beeing yeet is funny do keep it

[frosty trellis]

From what I've been told: About half of a large world

[marble moat]

LMAO

i like that

keep it in

[swift wharf]

realistically that is not gonna happen unless you place it so

[frosty trellis]

I mean there is a reason Momentum Capacitor no longer works in boss fights-

[marble moat]

just turn it off during bosses!

[swift wharf]

summon king slime
no more auric rejection

[bright crag]

Still waiting for Auric Toilet to become usable and made with Auric Ore
The ideal vertical launchpad

[swift wharf]

auric poop suggestion

[marble moat]

big brain

[bright crag]

Even skull emoji cannot convey my reaction to that information

[swift wharf]

[marble moat]

if it's a problem as a boss cheesing tool just tone it down when bossing so it only chucks you into cave walls instead of across the map

right?

[swift wharf]

auric should zap you when you hit it

[small timber]

Auric Toilet is a legendary drop from Yharim, The Jungle Tyrant boss if you defeat him in enrage mode while in Master FTW mode while having the Yharim's Gift accessory equipped, this item dropped at a low rate of 1%

[swift wharf]

did you forget to log into fandom or

[shut pollen]

yeah this will prolly be accounted for

we don’t know how the devs will implement it, because this server has a rule about not giving specific suggestions (which is dumb imo) just that it will be implemented

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[swift wharf]

<><><><><>

[wide river]

The ban on specific item suggestions was a good thing
When they weren't banned, barely any of them got implemented, due to how needlessly specific they were

[halcyon zealot]

just skillfully cherry-pick your words into unspecifically suggesting something specific

[swift wharf]

Reality Array v5
290 melee damage
10 usetime

not having the sis don't would be catastrophic

[shut pollen]

also gonna put it here because I don’t know if I will ever get around to making it but the throwable weapons in pots (shurikens and THROWING knives as well as spikey balls) should be rogue and not ranger

thoughts

[swift wharf]

class identity moment

[wide river]

Calamity doesn't change vanilla weapons in terms of what class they are

[swift wharf]

it makes sense,

but it also doesnt make sense

[shut pollen]

🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

[swift wharf]

but that is vanillas problem

[shut pollen]

oh

[swift wharf]

see why are javelins ranged

[shut pollen]

not the idea

[swift wharf]

when melee already had javelins

and knives

[shut pollen]

just because it’s not been done before doesn’t mean it should never be done

[swift wharf]

it's not really needed

ninja should be rogue tho

it sux

[wide river]

What do you mean, you don't like three classes having nearly identical weapons that do functionally the same thing?

[shut pollen]

makes logical sense and gives more to rogue early

[swift wharf]

but ruls are ruls

the thing is

you don't have to stick to a class early game

[shut pollen]

if ninja should be rogue the throwing weapons should be rogue

[swift wharf]

what throwing weapons

but nah it would be neat to have a vanilla rogue armor that's not gladiator

and ninja is kind of
bad

[shut pollen]

all the above I mentioned plus what you mentioned

[small timber]

tldr: it fuck with mod compatibility or something

[fervent orbit]

why is gladiator the rogue set anyway

[small timber]

because it is classless to begin with

[shut pollen]

dumb rule

[small timber]

so nothing is lost there

as for why it is rogue instead of melee? don't know, javelin throwing or something

[fervent orbit]

yea but how do u look at gladiator and think "yea a rogue would wear that"

[wide river]

Make Gladiator the Melee set so people stop complaining about pre-boss melee sets

(Molten exists but people refuse to acknowledge it)

[small timber]

just make all wooden armor boost melee damage

[swift wharf]

make gladiator craftable

[small timber]

that way people stop complaining about not having pre-boss melee, they have 100 different of them

[swift wharf]

and yeah melee already has a ton of weapons to compensate anyway

[golden sonnet]

Big brain

[small timber]

shadewood armor: 5 defense 3% melee damage 1% melee crit 1% melee speed

"pre-boss melee armor meta is here"

[swift wharf]

uncanny

[royal tapir]

Only for Shadewood armor

Crimson 💪

[halcyon zealot]

😭

[swift wharf]

kill wood armors

[fervent orbit]

actually would a suggestion on making glad melee and ninja into rogue be allowed

[ashen warren]

☠️

[swift wharf]

i think that glad would be allowed

[wide river]

I think it would be allowed as long as it doesn't lose the other stats

[swift wharf]

but ninja falls into the don't

[fervent orbit]

frequently suggested im assuming?

[swift wharf]

actually

actually

yeah that's fair ench

rogue ranged ninja...

it's ok as long as it doesn't replace the stats

[fervent orbit]

so i can just say "ok ninja armour, but it has stealth "

[swift wharf]

make rangued ninja armor buff previously throwing weapons

you can

[fervent orbit]

i wont because im illiterate

[swift wharf]

One way to make ninja rogue-ranged is making it buff consumable rogue and ranged weapons

so throwing knives and such become viable

[fervent orbit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/981070649340624926.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[dense ferry]

I love this little gif

[fervent orbit]

i have no idea where its from, but someone reacted to one of my messages to it a long time ago so i just stole it

[drowsy plank]

because glads also droping a (former) throwing weapons

[swift wharf]

Wait

ninja doesnt buff ranged at all

[fervent orbit]

its multiclass

[drowsy plank]

it used to buff throwing now it is just 9% crit and 20% ms or something

[swift wharf]

well fuck me anyway because xpc suggestion about it was denied

Well boys keep using tin armor because it's way better than ninja

[ripe owl]

Sir yer sir!

[random pasture]

Me when the armor is penetrated

[bright crag]

Molten is acknowledged as post-evil

Gladiator rogue is a relic from before vanilla made Gladiator armor do something

I wouldn't be bothered by it becoming preboss Melee

Ninja can stay mobility-focused, after all both Ranged and Rogue already have dedicated preboss armors

[cobalt pewter]

Gladiator when it

[ripe owl]

When it what

Speak up

[cobalt pewter]

no

[ripe owl]

[cobalt pewter]

isn't Ninja uhhh

crit chance atm

or was it movespeed

am I mixing stuff up

[ripe owl]

It's everything honestly

[swift wharf]

both

[bright crag]

It should have basic damage and defense, and specialize in mobility imo

Ore armors are a bit chonky already, you can use class-specific things for damage

[drowsy plank]

ninja isn't preBoss tho...,.,.

[bright crag]

It is in the pre-DS realm, though

The early game per say

And you do have to count such things

[drowsy plank]

i suppose sulph armor is right there
along with snow ruffian

[bright crag]

For example, Aerialite tier

Aerialite is becoming Ranged and Mage, so other classes need armor

Melee has armor a bit earlier, Molten in post-evil-1
Summoner has Obsidian in post-evil-1 and Bee post-QB
Rogue will get a new armor

So for armors you need to consider the major patches of progression rather than just one tier

[bright crag]

Sulphurous armor is post-EoC

[swift wharf]

Would still be nice to have something that is not snow ruffian byeah the number of sets is quite bulky

• there's still victide to be reworked

[bright crag]

Rogue progression will be

• Snow Ruffian (preboss)
• Victide (post-DS)
• Sulphurous (post-EoC)
• Foul Insurgent (post-evil-2) [placeholder name]
• Statigel (post-SG)

[swift wharf]

Sounds good

[bright crag]

Nah
Preboss has a lot of armors already
I mean, some devs were opposed to the idea of adding a new one for Melee, a class that lacks a specific set

[swift wharf]

Gladiator

[bright crag]

(Exactly)

[swift wharf]

Clampicated situation

[bright crag]

Actually I might suggest just that

Reworking Gladiator to be melee

[bright crag]

Everywhere you look basically

[random pasture]

Make gladiator only buff the projectile from projectile melee weapons

[halcyon zealot]

Even the kb resist would make more sense for melee to have that early on

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[swift wharf]

remove the rogue buffs so I can secretly put it in the melee class setups

[undone cedar]

Villainous

[errant inlet]

I feel like making draedon an actively voiced character would be sick

Especially since there's already a cannon voice for him

[random talon]

that would be cool, but probably too hard

[errant inlet]

How

record voice lines

sync voice lines to text in chat

[random talon]

big audio files

[swift wharf]

jetshift

[errant inlet]

Would they really pose such a massive threat?

[wide river]

I don't see why we need to add voice acting

[errant inlet]

It would be cool

I didnt say its a must

[random talon]

beeg "don't"

[errant inlet]

^

[swift wharf]

I don't think that

gianni voicing one thing is very canon

[errant inlet]

Oh cal twitter confirmed it

[swift wharf]

uncann

[errant inlet]

Yknow

[swift wharf]

y

[errant inlet]

The official calamity twitter account

[swift wharf]

byeah voice acting

[errant inlet]

I still think it wouldn't be a bad idea

It would make things feel far more tense for any new players managing to progress up to exos

Like

"this dude has voice acting im so fucked"

And for anyone not content with the change, you could have an option in the cal settings to toggle VA on and off

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it,

[swift wharf]

canon

[errant inlet]

Is it

Not

[swift wharf]

saying that draedon was voiced by gianni doesn't immediately make it canon

it just means that draedon was voiced by gianni

can you even make voice acting "canon"

[errant inlet]

even though the original post states that draedon IS voice acted by Gianni...?

As well as gabriel ofc

This is a hill im gonna die on tbh

[golden tulip]

ah yes, the suggest anything i want and if others dont like it just turn it off through the config-type of suggestion

[swift wharf]

gl commissioning gianni to voice that

[errant inlet]

Okay

[drowsy plank]

cal already said they arent doing it

[dense ferry]

We are never adding voice acting to Calamity

It would be so fucking out of place

[swift wharf]

jane calamity holy shit

[novel belfry]

the fact that gianni voices a character whose face looks ALMOST IDENTICAL to gabriel is pretty funny

[pine star]

it would be funny to add Gianni's voice acting to Cal

[hybrid steeple]

gianni voice acting not canon
sun goddess provi isnt linked to the sun anymore
serpent and its servants they arent servants anymore

[cosmic karma]

i like the idea of va for yharim, but for draedon it doesnt make too much sense outside of a tidbit found in a music video

wait that was 7 hours ago clueme

[worldly sparrow]

🗜️

[north oracle]

@short thistle #1042197406776827914

[wide river]

Funny how this batch of suggestions is going to mostly be minor inconsistency fixes, from what I've seen thus far

Like it's mostly been minor tooltip changes, small renames, and a single drop table fix

[small timber]

now I just have to repost this thing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18T4kYEf5srOd-6Hei4m9WnVoNwCN7aEy/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=100257730182736306914&rtpof=true&sd=true

(though last time I heard it was sent to dev server but I think only some of them got implemented in changelog, particularly the "reduced damage taken" become "damage reduction" part, not sure what happen to the rest)

[wide river]

If it's been sent to the dev server, I'd have to assume the rest of it at least got seen

[limber zealot]

[random talon]

sad

Yharon recovering his HP was so cool

thankfully he still does it in Infernum

[fleet igloo]

[bright crag]

True

I did speak to other devs about it
They wanna keep the extra health for Yharim, with the whole 200% HP thing

Besides, there are better ways to introduce spectacle in his fight/transition to p2

[fleet igloo]

Are there any ideas for it

[random talon]

like what?

[bright crag]

Visual changes, such as having a transition animation, changing the background, or changing Yharon's look
Could also rework p2 to make the attacks feel more special and powerful
Visuals can also help with that

[blazing kettle]

im pretty sure devs directly said they wont ever be adding shields

or go back to an old concept

[marble moat]

having a transition phase where yharon self-immolates for a few seconds while spitting fireballs everywhere before erupting out with a more majestic sprite or something would certainly lend gravitas

esp with the whole "resplendent phoenix" thing

[blazing kettle]

yharons already getting a resprite

[shut pollen]

if y’all are going to make yharon actually difficult can you do it after my master death mode play through

[worthy fiber]

nooo don't make him more difficult

[frosty trellis]

I mean, I don't see how Yharon doesn't have it's own set of difficulty? It's definitely not the easiest boss by any means

[worthy fiber]

he's perfect the way he is

[frosty trellis]

I mean he could use a few new attacks once he gets his respirte but he is fine as he is yeah

[worthy fiber]

he's in between a stupid worm and superbosses lemme have this

[frosty trellis]

SCal and Exo's aren't superbosses-

[worthy fiber]

final bosses whatevwr

easier to enjoy a climactic moment when not having to redo the fight as much as the others

[frosty trellis]

You only need to do Yharon like, twice max for all the auric bars you need tbf (Unless you are going for Yermes, good luck chief)

[worldly sparrow]

tbf scal used to be a superboss before draedon update

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but let me remind you that the draedon update was over a year and a half ago

[worldly sparrow]

thanks for making me feel old

[random talon]

why did I get a ping from the posting channel even tho there's nothing?

[drowsy plank]

spambot

[random talon]

ah

[wide river]

As per the usual, they'll just send the spam message in any channel they have access to

[golden sonnet]

Honestly the filters this server has are so nice

[random talon]

yea

[wide river]

Indeed, I can't imagine this place without them

[random talon]

Reddit could

sure it wouldn't be a good place

but as long as the server pays them 20M dollars they don't care

[errant bobcat]

Poor redittors

[hollow ridge]

clue

they need sunlight

[errant bobcat]

Hey at least it’s still better than 4chan and 8chan

[novel belfry]

thats the worst part