small timber
Most of cal bosses on expert rev (or even death) are not meant to kill you instantly, they more often or not wear you down over a long period of time, which I think is a good thing
Which debuffs fit the current approach: they negate your regenerative capability abit to remain as a threat without just relying on the bosses having unreasonable damage or attack frequency
glass arch
you can probably just ask mpg how much defense is too much/at what point does it become OP
if anybody would know its him
small timber
And also it allow nondefensive build to stand a chance because being defensive is no longer mandatory to survive
You can be glass cannon while still taking a hit or two without dying
small timber
Because max hp is simply a stat more accessible to all variety of builds than stacking dr and defense
You have natural high max hp from upgrades and lifeforce
tired haven
you can probably just ask mpg how much defense is too much/at what point does it...
The problem is, in a fairly extreme example, is that vampire knives are a 18-30 hp/s restoration option and most of the community thinks they are "too weak"
Fixing defensive options to be truly balanced means they'd be dead for majority of audience, and one has got to wrap their head around that phenomenon
glass arch
ok so sw deals about 400 damage on a head hit not counting defense and dr
that means electrified on its own deals about a fifth of the total damage
small timber
Which you can just negate completely with an accessory that works well on the boss
Or tesla potion that cut duration in half
Or not move horizontally for several seconds
Or just dont get hit by the head if you decided to play glass cannon, because at that point you sacrifice so much defensive for damage that nullifying your own room for error is your own fault when defensive build can negate said damage to like 1/4
The only boss currently that does way too much damage + dot in the game is DoG, which only does that on the head hit which is 90% of the threat of the fight
For even that you can slot flesh totem if you want
small timber
I have an old "average defense by average build on progression" excel file if you want
It is abit outdated since it was before the warding nerf and titan scale/yharim stim/cadance changes, but still mostly you can give it like a -10-15 value and should still be relatively close
(I have a doc on what gear I used for reference to obtain these defense number but tldr is it is basically just tester gear with minor difference in choice of offensive accessory; I can post it too but that one is super clumsy to look at)
Though note that this is Expert Rev not Expert Death
deft yew
Thank you! Turns out I had crap to do so I’ll calculate when I get home
All I need is the defense, I’ll count both rev and death damage myself
Is
debuff damage / (debuff damage + [attack damage - 0.75•defense])
correct?
frosty trellis
Do you really think that stops me 
Any source of debuff immunity just makes it completely worthless
Or just Astral Arcanum for God Slayer Inferno, Vuln Hex (which gets it's dot removed from arcanum) and Miracle Blight
So yeah it's just kinda not really that deterring as I can just alter my builds slightly to accomodate and not care
(You get ways to get immunity prior to most other fights outside of acid venom immunity)
swift wharf
@weak flicker what is this infinite gold coin bag?
weak flicker
<@689846659253010486> what is this infinite gold coin bag?
other mods like lui afk add an infinite gold coin bag that acts the same as the infinite quiver and stuff
weak flicker
damn
swift wharf
Because it is from another mod
golden sonnet
The issue is that the coins aren't used as ammo, they are thrown, so the bag doesn't work because of that
gray nebula
the high court has deemed that the ultrakill fans should not be done justice
golden sonnet
Lmao
swift wharf
iban summoning ritual
gray nebula
hiii
frosty trellis
the high court has deemed that the ultrakill fans should not be done justice
As they shouldn't be
swift wharf
Also midas prime used to work with piggy bank but that was removed
So reverting that is a nono
unique shore
i've never submitted a sug before, but i'll be around in case anything is wrong with it 😄
golden sonnet
Also midas prime used to work with piggy bank but that was removed
It was only removed because of limitations of the marksman rounds, so not really an intentional change, but still shouldn't be suggested as was deemed not worth the effort already
unique shore
not sure as in needs to be reworked? or just no bueno
swift wharf
I mean the suggestion is fine I think but idk if that is possible to code in but I am no dev
unique shore
ohhh i see!
drowsy plank
inf coin bag or w/e the fuck should just change to work with cal 
swift wharf
it's true
gray nebula
idk how codeable it is
small timber
Imagine adding infinite coin bag instead of capping coin guns at copper coin so money is never a problem
gray nebula
cuz it's changing ammo on right click, idk if the order of stuff happening works
maybe it does, idk
tho the main problem tho is
the coins drop themselves
swift wharf
coin ammo crafted with one coin 
gray nebula
swift wharf
I hate that emoji
tired haven
Any source of debuff immunity just makes it completely worthless
Or just Astral ...
It may not deter you but it deters main audience which is enough
frosty trellis
tired haven
(in all seriousness, I do hate the binary state of debuffs being "equip this to turn off the debuff entirely", but there doesn't seem to be much more flexible and simple solution in mind)
wide river
I can think of a way to maybe improve the debuff system, but I don't know how feasible it'd be
So you know how there's those accessories that boost the outgoing DoT debuffs?
What if there would be accessories that would reduce the incoming DoT, but not outright give immunity, sorta like how the Transformer gives resistance to electric attacks
frosty trellis
(Basically: Rework crown jewel line to be a debuff reduing line instead of giving increased life regen when under a debuff)
wide river
YES THAT
frosty trellis
(Because until arcanum, crown jewel line is ass)
And then can kill the immunity accessories or rework their effects
Give them more personality than "equip this to make an entire boss mechanic useless"
wide river
And in tandem with this, make Ankh Shield not as mainstream, so that way debuff immunity isn't just slapped on one of the most prominent accessories of the section of the game that it's in (Asgard's Valor)
novel belfry
Asgard's Valor and its upgrades are imo contenders for the most powerful accessories in Calamity
ashen warren
Yes
drowsy plank
ye
novel belfry
God-tier defence, resistances to nearly any debuff, and most importantly, ramming functionality
ashen warren
Yeah
fervent orbit
heros shield + ankh combining for a debuff shield
wide river
Whatever gets Ankh Shield out of Asgard's Valor and doesn't end up creating the most broken accessory this world has ever seen, I'll be fine with
There's just almost no reason for it to be there in the first place aside from "everything must upgrade"
At least none I see, anyway
ashen warren
Ankh is still such a boring craft even with everything being craftable
tired haven
(Basically: Rework crown jewel line to be a debuff reduing line instead of givin...
Afaik there is also a hidden attribute (like honey) where it negates the "DoT disables all regen" penalty 
ashen warren
I’d rather use ornate shield til endgame
tired haven
The most random sleeper buff known to man
novel belfry
the ramming function of asgard's valor+ also has another effect, and its that it basically serves as an easy way to not get damage (aside from dots)
small timber
I dont even think "DoT disables all regen" effect even works even without honey
fervent orbit
Afaik there is also a hidden attribute (like honey) where it negates the "DoT di...
makes sense or else the accessory literally wouldnt function
novel belfry
while dodges... get 90 second cooldowns, no exceptions side from Counter Scarf
tired haven
makes sense or else the accessory literally wouldnt function
Well, it's possible to set up regen value to completely bypass that
Palladium uses that already
small timber
Unless that cal buff to "make it so not having food no longer nullify your regen" actually also give it honey like effect for DoT
Because I remember explicitly trying it out and even made a suggestion wanting the "disable regen" part of DoT to actually apply
fervent orbit
Well, it's possible to set up regen value to completely bypass that
Palladium us...
oh yea palladium just having a completely seperate life regen because ????
novel belfry
wait, it DOES?
tired haven
It upticks your regen counter directly instead of contributing to regen value (which is subject to effects like DoT cancelling it)
it's... not as complicated as it appears on surface level, but it's still incredibly zany
fervent orbit
its a ??? moment
tired haven
Nah, ??? moment is when you realize that nebula regen buff makes any DoT zero
And I really mean any
ashen warren
yeah i have no idea why palladium works like that
weak flicker
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1113635888690372649/...
bros not an conjurer
ornate slate
yes
fervent orbit
this is such an obscure reference
novel belfry
grim tusk
@novel belfry no
wide river
Suggestion error
glass arch
what was it
novel belfry
i accidentally posted that
grim tusk
what was it
./////
glass arch
ivory galleon
ok
ashen warren
ok
small timber
the biggest reason why elemental resistance only apply to enemy but not player is because it is just a gigantic "fuck you" to the player when the condition match
jagged zealot
?
small timber
in the same condition, such as rain applying wet; having electrified on enemy does nearly nothing because of course bosses naturally have several ten to hundred thousands times the HP bar of the player
to the enemy these debuff amplification effect is just a small damage boost
if the same apply to player, such as it is raining and you get applied electrified, it literally will delete half your hp bar
ripe owl
Thank god it's almost impossible to get some of the combinations at the same time
small timber
I can understand the "lava and honey not have the same effect as wet" part, but the "elemental resistance also work on player" is just a gigantic no in this current stat
it is way too conditional for the system to always account for it (eg: as you already mentioned, rarely do the player get inflicted with both the debuff and the amplifier debuff at the sametime); while the off chance player get inflicted with both suddenly they just melt
ripe owl
Hey, imagine if, in multiplayer, someone falls into lava, gets On Fire!, and their friend runs up to them and sprays them with Slime Gun
wide river
Hey, imagine if, in multiplayer, someone falls into lava, gets On Fire!, and the...
See, now that would allow for more options in PvP rather than just one-shotting each other with everything
If it were to even be locked solely to PvP, that might be ok
wide river
Obviously it would be toned down a little, but I think that would be a really cool "submode", as it were, of PvP, where debuffing each other is prioritized over just outright dealing damage
ripe owl
Also it would be near impossible to make this system work for PvP only
It might actually be possible, but I don't think I can tell you the way to make it
jagged zealot
Obviously it would be toned down a little, but I think that would be a really co...
Also, for enviro thing and NOT getting shredded, do like vanilla and some cal debuffs do, and have player damage NOT do as much to them as it does the enemy. The suggestion was to have it effect the player too, not do the exact same or more damage to it. That is just dumb.
But rain & water applying it would allow for more planning and add a new danger element when plannin certain boss fights imo.
drowsy plank
does terraria even have a distinction between liquids when it comes to programming
ripe owl
does terraria even have a distinction between liquids when it comes to programmi...
There is but it requires some fuckery
wide river
does terraria even have a distinction between liquids when it comes to programmi...
I assume they must, because otherwise there wouldn't be "liquid slots", as Redigit put it when teasing Shimmer
That, and each liquid has different flow speeds
drowsy plank
like yes lava burns you but im pretty sure the checks for stuff like electricity dealing double damage doesn't check if you're in water, it just checks if you're submerged, because something something engine bullshit
yeah i figured
cobalt pewter
yeah there are liquid slots according to red
ripe owl
Technically there are "drown" and "wet" checks
cobalt pewter
the last one being filled by shimmer
drowsy plank
oh i know im talking about liquid detection
im pretty sure it just checks if there is a liquid, not which one, and there are unique flags for other effects like zav said
wide river
They do share common attributes, such as flowing, being able to cancel fall damage when landed in, and drowning (for honey and water)
I'd think Lava is the most different one of the four, at least mechanically, since it can destroy certain background objects by flowing into them, destroy any loose items, and deals damage to the player when entered
ripe owl
"wet" is iirc whenever you step into the liquid
And "drown" is, well, when you're drowning
tired haven
there has got to be one more state methinks
Because lava damages you even at 1 pixel height, honey only works at about half a tile, and drowning only triggers from upper tile of your character
drowsy plank
i wonder if they're moreso checks on the player than the liquid maybe
like if ur in liquid 'X' check if player is submerged by 'Y' pixels proc liquid's unique effect
wide river
i wonder if they're moreso checks on the player than the liquid maybe
A curious situation regardless
I imagine there's some way of finding out, but knowing Terraria's code, it's probably hidden deep in between like NPC shops and boss spawns, and there's no way to discern the meaning of the lines
golden sonnet
There are some in the crags as well
dry kestrel
would an optional difficulty setting that doesn't let players rejoin bossfights after death in multiplayer be a good suggestion?
small timber
a mod called "Better Multiplayer" (or around that name) already does that
dry kestrel
oh nice, thanks
north oracle
class lines are already extremely unclear, if you want to argue about throwing stuff being rogue, then you should argue about gun weapons being ranger too etc.
drowsy plank
@golden crag please read the rules, calamity does not change vanilla weapon's damage types
golden crag
<@1052336695497986129> please read the rules, calamity does not change vanilla w...
oh sorry my bad 👍🏻
suggestion gone
versed cape
who here frequents suggestions and reads every single one
north oracle
not all of them, but the majority
glass arch
most people who give criticism on suggs read most
north oracle
(some get deleted before I get a chance)
grim tusk
class lines are already extremely unclear, if you want to argue about throwing s...
Yep even in vanilla
Summoner steps on melee territory (whips)
Melee steps on ranger and viceversa (throwing weapons, javelins, throwing knives, boomerangs, etc)
Melee steps on mage with its magic swords
north oracle
^
fervent orbit
Yep even in vanilla
Summoner steps on melee territory (whips)
Melee steps on ran...
mage steps onto ranger with magic guns
versed cape
I want someone to ping me whenever someone posts a suggestion about wanting to change yharon in any way
glass arch
mage also steps on melee and ranger (why the fuck does magic knife exist)
north oracle
I want someone to ping me whenever someone posts a suggestion about wanting to c...
...why
glass arch
you can just
read them yourself
lo
north oracle
^
versed cape
9 times out of 10 op is having difficulty with the fight and instead of figuring out a solution, they write a suggestion on why yharon is inconsistent and needs to be changed
I want to help them with the fight and give them a way to fix whatever theyre having a problem with
fervent orbit
ok yharon expert
north oracle
...yeah? and those ones get handled by the people here that are competent enough to help them
if you're here, help them, but there's other people that can do that too
drowsy plank
do it urself lmao
and regardless that is
more of the mods/devs jobs to filter suggs
dense ferry
Stopped my One Piece reading session for this
thorny cloud
are wulfrum doors and walls ever going to be added?
thorny cloud
I know, it's just that it has been quite a bit since the implementation of the rest of the set.
they're already sprited!!
by triangle
grave zincBOT
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@stone bloom - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make the “essence of” items have a bottled form]
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[Make Fusion Feeders drop shark fins]
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[Change the Sand Elemental in a Bottle(s) into Elementals in a Lamp]
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golden sonnet
<@166992984171085824> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Chan...
based
drowsy plank
yes im glad that one worked at least
🤞 it actually gets implemented
i really, really hope this is just
drowsy plank
the devs forgetting that there are other options for suggestions and not that they just
plan to fucking leave it like that
stone bloom
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[**Make...
WOOOOOOOOO
drowsy plank
WOOOOOOOOO
now you just have to wait for someone to sprite it in next two decades
north oracle
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[**Rewo...
Damn
stone bloom
now you just have to wait for someone to sprite it in next two decades <:XD:9361...
DIES
novel belfry
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[**Rewo...
???
royal tapir
suggestions-discussion when Calamity evil bosses
bright crag
It was denied, 0x4
As someone whi voted against
I don't think there's a way to truly fix the awkwardness if evil-2
Any route we take either replaces a problem with another, or detracts from valuable things evil-2 provides
My colleagues also pointed out that major reshuffling would be incredibly high effort
north oracle
yeah
it seems like you either have to totally move one of them (contributing to boss bloat elsewhere) or chuck more stuff in between (making aerilite not useful compared to statigel stuff)
bright crag
As I commented prior
Unironically, the best solution would be reworking evil-1 into not evil
(We can't do that)
small timber
it will literally be easier to add more new content at HM evil biome than retiering yeah
north oracle
and while the current situation isn't exactly ideal, it's just not really practical/possible to change it in a way that's any better
that's my opinion on it anyway
bright crag
and while the current situation isn't exactly ideal, it's just not really practi...
Yeah, that's my stance as well
swift wharf
just kill it
bright crag
wide river
As I commented prior
Unironically, the best solution would be reworking evil-1 i...
A solution could be to give Evil1 the Deerclops treatment and decanonize it, but this might be equally as undesirable
ripe owl
Let's be real. What's the reason for Evil2 to actually exist outside of Aeralite?
novel belfry
when i first heard of calamity, i actually thought the evil2 bosses were hardmode bosses
it kinda made more sense in my simpler head than them being right after evil1 bosses
drowsy plank
mhm
novel belfry
and weirdly enough, they actually start dropping cursed flames/ichor when hardmode starts
actually, still makes more sense if you ignore the fact that it just adds to early hardmode bloat
bright crag
A solution could be to give Evil1 the Deerclops treatment and decanonize it, but...
We can't
Deerclops is decanonized because it's crossover content
Can't just walk up to a vanilla normal boss and say "fuck you in particular"
It doesn't solve the gameplay problems either
bright crag
Let's be real. What's the reason for Evil2 to actually exist outside of Aeralite...
Aerialite and Arsenal T1 placing, they actually have cool lore, and their boss fights are good
small timber
deerclops will be tied to the most important lore of the mod on how draedon discovered interdimensional and multiverse time travelling from deerclops accidentally entering the Terraria world from another world
drowsy plank
genuine idea some of us were tossing around in a VC is to just make evil1 and evil2 drop the same mats so you can just skip evil1 without really breaking anything
bright crag
That doesn't solve much but you can suggest it
It does sound like a reasonable change in terms of materials
Just can't move Expert items of course
grizzled dome
I'm not making this a formal suggestion, because it's not coherent enough to be one, and it's really just a stub of an idea, and I'm too tired to fix it, and also it might already be in getfixedboi. But imagine "evil fairies" that led you to traps? Although... leading you to the traps would actually be helpful by pointhing them out so that wouldn't even be that evil.
ashen warren
Lmao I actually love the idea of that
frosty trellis
I would say that's better as a standalone mod
cobalt pewter
deerclops will be tied to the most important lore of the mod on how draedon disc...
in that case the dude should've started from Etherian stuff lmao
Deerclops appeared far after Etherian army
frosty trellis
But that's fucking hilarous
grizzled dome
I was randomly reading about will o' the wisps which would lead you to danger if you followed them. But there's not really any feasible way to make evil fairies; either they're a random nuisance you ignore, or they're an early warning system for traps. And the more I talk about it, the less relevant it seems, yeah.
ashen warren
That’s like the best thing I’ve heard in a while ☠️☠️
small timber
ah yes the legendary deerclops lore expansion
frosty trellis
I was randomly reading about will o' the wisps which would lead you to danger if...
Just make them indistiguidable from normal faiires
cobalt pewter
I'm not making this a formal suggestion, because it's not coherent enough to be ...
I mean it ends up being more helpful than annoying actually
small timber
time to make deerclops as relevant as yharim in lore in explaining the mechanic of the world and how the theory of multiverse works
frosty trellis
No the fairies clearly just auto-activate the trap if you get too close regardless
grizzled dome
The trick is not just creating the situation where the correct behavior is always "ignore the fairy".
small timber
opening all gold chest deal unavoidable undeductible 399 damage in getfixedboi
ashen warren
time to make deerclops as relevant as yharim in lore in explaining the mechanic ...
Deerclops is such a fun memorable boss I fight every playthrough definetly deserves more lore
frosty trellis
opening all gold chest deal unavoidable undeductible 399 damage in getfixedboi
"Just don't get hit afterwards ez"
ashen warren
I'm not making this a formal suggestion, because it's not coherent enough to be ...
they could lead you to dead man's chests, or try to lure you onto a pressure plate by acting like they still want you to follow them
small timber
"true mimic" enemy
only reveal themselves once right clicked
dense ferry
The game economy is a weird subject
I do think getting money is a bit too easy, but the intent is for it to be easy
Because grinding is kinda ass
Problem is, there isn't a good solution with BoC/EoW on the play
You can tone down the money they drop, but that's not gonna change the drops, and any solution to that is too much of a hassle to really bother
small timber
just remove the ability for bosses to drop money entirely and all boss drops/materials are sold at no value because what would NPC do with them, there is no demand
dense ferry
Then that makes grinding for money fucking ass
small timber
just buff the collector, surely it will solve the economy
dense ferry
And well, BoC and EoW still don't get solved, Crimtane and Demonite Ore should by all means by sellable
The best solution imo is making an actual market system with demand and quantity in mind, so the more you sell something the less they value until it values nothing
But that's too much of a hassle to implement for such a minor problem
small timber
the "make bosses don't drop money" + "make all merchants have a 'limit' on how much money you can get from them" idea is the closest one
eg: you can only sell a max amount of 1 plat from an NPC per 1 in-game day etc
dense ferry
That could work but idk, the money issue is at its core a Vanilla problem
small timber
but tldr is unless you remove almost all efficient way of gold farming there is no way to solve the economy problem
dense ferry
And by this point everyone on the team, specially Fab, is done trying to fix the shit Vanilla makes
random talon
maybe the problem is the stuff you can buy is busted (cough cough RoD cough)
dense ferry
That too, but then it's another problem Vanilla makes
Grinding for potions is fucking ass and RoD is a high skill ceiling item imo anyways so
random talon
I thought of a crazy idea to make a shrine or something for the RoD instead of having it be sold by the Wizard.
dense ferry
Oh, that could work
drowsy plank
the hallowed shrine is real 
dense ferry
If you wanna go ahead and suggest that, I would be down for it
random talon
ight
dense ferry
That also gives more places to talk about Lore so
Environmental Storytelling my beloved
dense ferry
That's a nice solution but it doesn't take from the fact that the problem is that herb farming is 
random talon
it's made better by the planter boxes you get from the planetoid
swift wharf
herb farming is fine
herb farming is fixed by that yeah
fishing is the scuffed part
not because it truly is scuffed but because it's not worth when
blood orb/potion shops
dense ferry
Yeah, but oh well
small timber
it is incredibly unintuitive for a shrine to be (to 90% of the player as long as they don't search "shrine" on wiki), to be locked at a seemingly random point of progression for something that they can potentially found so early into the game
and why would it be a shrine because it means by chance most of the time you just straight up don't find it
random talon
If only multiple lures were available earlier
random talon
it is incredibly unintuitive for a shrine to be (to 90% of the player as long as...
you could include a radar for it, like a Lab Seeking Mechanism
dense ferry
it is incredibly unintuitive for a shrine to be (to 90% of the player as long as...
RoD isn't a mandatory item
swift wharf
I don't think multiple lures would change much
random talon
it does
small timber
imagine if instead of murasama being unlocked to be used at post-Yharon, it is instead that the chest that lock murasama is randomly unlocked post-Yharon
random talon
trust me
swift wharf
You already get a lot of fishing gear early game with DS
random talon
imagine if instead of murasama being unlocked to be used at post-Yharon, it is i...
kid named Astrum Aureus
dense ferry
Just like every other Shrine item, they give you items that can help you out at the point of progression you are
swift wharf
small timber
Astral Chest have the advantage that it is a biome chest located in the dungeon, and at least there is a message in the chat box
dense ferry
And RoD ABSOLUTELY fits the bar of "really good item that isn't mandatory"
random talon
then why not put a message for the RoD?
dense ferry
You will explore underground Hallow too, so
small timber
for "ROD shrine" do you need to display a message where "well a random spot in the entire world that might contain a certain valuable item is unlocked try to find it haha"
swift wharf
A message?
dense ferry
If you stumble across the Shrine, you got lucky
swift wharf
Well
dense ferry
Also no message please Hardmode trigger already has 52 of them
swift wharf
The player will go to the hallow for rod anyway
small timber
if you want to make ROD more accessible, shrine is unironically one of the worse idea just because it is inconsistent at being accessible while also being incredibly unintuitive at it
dense ferry
That's the thing
I don't want RoD to be accessible
At least, not to the degree it is right now
random talon
it's sooooooo easy to get rn
dense ferry
By all means, RoD should be a bonus
random talon
I have like 20 platinum way before Hardmode even exists
swift wharf
i love monetary inflation
dense ferry
No Boss is balanced around having RoD, so getting it should be simply a means to make things easier IF you can use it
swift wharf
bring back the recipe
small timber
then just remove every way to get it other than grinding chaos elemental instead of adding a shrine item; and make it more accessible by increasing (sligtly) the default drop rate of 0.2% to like say, 0.6%
people will still have to grind for it, it is still not very accessible but it is more obtainable
making it a shrine item is not an intuitive improvement even if all shrine items are "bonus"
swift wharf
that does make the drop chance thrice as high
random talon
that would work
dense ferry
The Shrine would be to at least make a guaranteed way of obtaining it, players who know it exists and want RoD will have to work for it but will have a guaranteed way of getting one without having to grind their ass out on Chaos Elementals, while players who don't might stumble upon it and have the item without having to, again, grind their ass out
At the end of the day, this is now a matter of subjective game design. Do you prefer mindless grind or mindless exploration?
I prefer the latter
random talon
I think we all do
dense ferry
And well, the mindless exploration part is Vanilla's fault for making early Hardmode a non issue in five seconds
swift wharf
add both
small timber
"mindless exploration" is not much better when 90% of player will not even know it exist without searching wiki
the purchase method is definitely not ideal, but at the very least what it accomplish is just "yeah just get it and do your thing"
dense ferry
Wouldn't mind it
small timber
if anything I will rather lock it behind like, I don't know, "night time Queen Slime where it have a night providence like special enrage and move set change" and make it a challenge fight; but yeah that is not even close to happening
dense ferry
"mindless exploration" is not much better when 90% of player will not even know ...
You shouldn't be able to just have a RoD at arm's reach tbh
swift wharf
the shop method is indeed the least ideal
dense ferry
While yes, people probably won't know about it without the wiki, that's the same for every Shrine. Again, they shouldn't be told to the player that they exist, if someone stumbles upon one, then they get it
small timber
if it is so easily obtainable it provide the benefit of "you can just nerf it because it is so easily accessible"
swift wharf
p2w...
dense ferry
if it is so easily obtainable it provide the benefit of "you can just nerf it be...
We already do
small timber
it is like the opposite design of coin gun where the weapon is balanced around scarcity that make it so it somehow is post-ML in power
dense ferry
But it's hard to balance such an item as RoD
small timber
you can unironically make ROD CD 30 seconds, as in literally, and it will still be good
at its current stat it is like, 10? or 15? I forgot; ok 15
swift wharf
Actually I do like the idea of the shrine because it can be more than the rod shrine
dense ferry
It's not going to just be the RoD Shrine
random talon
hell, I'd settle for it being a QS drop
small timber
qs already has the hook
which is exactly why it is the most intuitive way to also be the way of obtainment for rod of discord; but yeah QS is very stacked right now
1 armor set, like 6 different weapons? 1 hook, 1 accessory, 1 mount or something
swift wharf
this also gave me the idea of like
shrine guardians
spawning enemies when the player gets near a shrine
small timber
wait since when did Queen Slime have only 1 wepaon
swift wharf
like vampire survivors or smth
dense ferry
Eeeeh, idk
Fuck you Discord
I prefer to keep the Shrines as more of a calm point, just something you look at and think "damn, that's pretty" and you can use it as sort of a checkpoint
small timber
make RoD of Discord randomly bugged out at 20% chance per cast that teleport you into a random direction instead of the cursor in tribute for Discord being a buggy mess
perfect balancing for the item
dense ferry
TRUE
swift wharf
like vampire survivors or smth
Like when you get near it for the first time 8 enchanted swords spawn to "protect it"
grim tusk
SIS
jagged zealot
A solution could be to give Evil1 the Deerclops treatment and decanonize it, but...
Deerclops is non-canon in cal?
hollow shell
why RoD sugg invalid
random talon
SIS, apparently
small timber
it isnt yeah
hollow shell
I think the only reason Shade thought that was because you gave an idea about it being locked behind a boss but didn't explain why it should be
small timber
it is just, probably not like the best solution ever, but it dont break any rule
oh yeah maybe
there is no structure generated into the world at Hardmode other than the "Astral Tree" right? I mean as in "structure" not just biome blocks
random talon
I think the only reason Shade thought that was because you gave an idea about it...
well, I said it was better than "pay money and get it lmao"
random talon
there is no structure generated into the world at Hardmode other than the "Astra...
it wouldn't have to generate in Hardmode
it could just unlock at Hardmode
small timber
that isnt very convincing when "fishing in hallow can pull ROD at a 0.05% chance" is probably more creative and "better" than pay money get item
hollow shell
I personally don't think you need to
random talon
too late sorry
hollow shell
Only needed one extra sentence to justify the boss lock
if it needed that at all
I do not think that one bit of specificity caused the entire suggestion to be invalid
small timber
I think the boss lock was mostly just so it is not usable in pre-HM due to the nature of shrine
hollow shell
byeah
Also possible that it could be locked like Mura rather than Aureus chest by like
having an "inactive" RoD item that you get from the chest
which turns into a regular RoD after WoF or some other earlyHM boss
so you can still find it throughout all of PreHM but won't be able to use it yet
hollow shell
deton
random talon
sey
small timber
imagine if instead of murasama being unlocked to be used at post-Yharon, it is i...
it is way better than this yeah
wide river
Also possible that it *could* be locked like Mura rather than Aureus chest by li...
(As long as there isn't another name that you can use to use it pre-hardmode, I am in support of this idea)
(I hate the Murasama name easter egg, in case you couldn't tell)
hollow shell
byeah RoD isn't a funny reference so
small timber
what if just
the shrine item is an "incomplete ROD" that you will need to finish with hardmode crafting materials
should be more intuitive than "unlock automatically at certain progression"
hollow shell
Also acceptable. Tier locks just the same as a boss lock indeed
That does have the bonus of informing the player about the incomplete RoD item via Recipe Browser, too
small timber
mostly is just intuition since chances are if it is auto unlock most player will drop them in chest and don't even notice it is unlocked
but if they checked the recipe once they will have much higher chance to notice "oh hey that item that require this material that I don't know, I saw these materials are in the world now, maybe I can finish it"
hollow shell
byeah
I was thinking it'd have a tooltip that implies or directly states when it gets unlocked
If it doesn't (which is entirely possible) then yeah that'd be annoying
hollow shell
Make a Shrine for the Rod of Discord
Currently, the RoD is in a very awkward place. The fact you can buy it from the Wizard undermines the significance of getting it, and even with the high sell price, I find myself having more than enough money to spare to get it. So then I thought of a crazy idea: a shrine for the RoD!
I'm thinking this shrine would be locked* until the defeat of either a few Mechanical Bosses or Queen Slime. After the defeat of those bosses, you'd be able to get the RoD. This shrine would help not only to make getting the RoD more interesting but also help with worldbuilding and environmental storytelling and would be a lot more thrilling than "pay like 9 platinum or something and you get it lmao." Even if there wasn't a shrine, you could have a chest in the dungeon or something.
*You could also lock the RoD in a chest in the shrine and make the chest unlock at a boss's defeat, like Astrum Aureus and the Astral Chest.
here's your original sugg
random talon
thx
wide river
Delete logs are very useful
random talon
yes
hollow shell
don't tell anybody I actually copied it before it even got deleted
dense ferry
random talon
here's the suggestion so far
Rework How to Get the RoD
As you know, the Wizard sells the Rod of Discord for 10 platinum (excluding happiness discounts) when he's in the Hallow. This method, however, is incredibly uninteresting and cheapens the item to "just another thing to buy." The 10 platinum is an insufficient blockade that could be overcome with only a few defeats of a given boss. I personally have found myself having dozens of platinum coins well before defeating the WoF. As such, I've devised a few solutions to obtaining this item rather than "pay money and get it lmao."
1) Make a Shrine for the RoD
This would be the most ambitious method, but I'd argue that it is quite worthwhile. Not only would having a RoD in some kind of shrine emphasize its importance, but it would also allow for worldbuilding and the execution of lore. The question of Pre-HM obtainment could be countered by making the RoD similar to Murasama, in the sense that it would unlock its power upon the defeat of a boss (WoF in this case).
2) Give RoD a tier-locked Dungeon Chest
Similar to Astrum Aureus and his Astral Chest, the RoD could be locked in a chest in the Dungeon that could unlock upon the WoF's defeat. This could work to make the RoD feel more deserved. You could also lock it behind Queen Slime to make her more included in the game progression, as it's pretty common for people to skip her.
2.5) Give Queen Slime a RoD Drop
As an alternative to Idea 2, you could have Queen Slime drop the RoD directly. This would be effective enough, though might overcrowd her drops.
3) Simply Buff the RoD Drop Chances
any advice?
small timber
I think to like, 100% prevent confusion, the title should somehow include the fact that chaos elemental drop still is a way to obtain the item
since more than 50% of people don't really read the entire thing and vote based on the title
but I will be honest the suggestion now looks really specific to me but Rover is the judge on that
small timber
I think just "Rework the Ways (or "Other Ways"?) to Obtain RoD (beside Chaos Elemental farming)" or something like that is probably clearer? not sure
swift wharf
bring back lore item effects so you can shimmer the boc lore for rod
small timber
or maybe "Improve and Provide Other Ways To Obtain ROD" ?
random talon
perfect!
hollow shell
Sugg looks good
xp's title looks good too
For reasoning on #3 you could say that it's 'the most simple and arguably the most elegant', because it keeps RoD having just one obtainment method, the same as vanilla so people already know about it and how to get it, just makes it less of a slog
hollow shell
but I will be honest the suggestion now looks *really specific* to me but Rover ...
Every provided example has reasoning behind it. It's fine.
grizzled dome
I only just showed up, but if we're talking about shrines being insufficiently signposted... this is maybe the least elegant way to signpost it, but why not add NPC dialogue for it? And/or one saying "hey, shrines exist" in the first place?
bright crag
We do have some plans for making shrines known
bright crag
but I will be honest the suggestion now looks *really specific* to me but Rover ...
Agreed
I will admit, nothing seems needlessly specific, but still it's good to avoid getting too much into detail
small timber
I only just showed up, but if we're talking about shrines being insufficiently s...
the problem is
what chance is higher: the player finding shrine naturally, or player actually reading NPC dialogue
bright crag
To be fair, that can be somewhat fixed
It's just that Terraria's dialogue system sucks ass
It just doesn't have to be really good for vanilla's purposes
drowsy plank
to be fair
vanilla could REALLY use a better dialogue system
because it already has a bad enough rep as a wiki game
tired haven
Wait, why do we need to signpost shrines?
It is definitely nice if more players get to experience more of the game, but the sense of discovery for things that are explicitly meant to not be seen by most, is something special
I can only assume that is an outcry from collector edition players who have to experience everything the world offers. Which is wishful thinking
wide river
I did hear that finding the Shrines was supposed to be a "Oh hey cool this exists" thing
glass arch
i mean just a hint like "I heard there was a remnant of some long forgotten beast in the crimson. Maybe you should go check it out?" wouldnt necessarily spoil it (and would probably be skipped over because of a cringe dialogue system)
tired haven
What is that hint for, though? To incentivise checking biomes more thoroughly?
In which case I don't really know if vague would do it, and direct would just spoil the surprise + frustrate the player if they don't find the rare structure
Although I have to apologize for being negative to the idea, I'm moreso neutral (dialogue never really hurt anybody) but the analysis gets the better of me
glass arch
What is that hint for, though? To incentivise checking biomes more thoroughly?
yeah a more subtle hint that theres more stuff there than you might think
small timber
"Did you know there are secret structures all around the world? You should explore the world more"
small timber
(was nit particularly referring to the message above) but yeah
Most of the time it doesnt really help the player without being more specific
Since player will do exploration; those who are unwilling will not do it after reading a very vague dialogue
And as of now the shrine structure are designed in a way where if you are close to it you will notice it because all of them are unique structure now (except granite, marble and glowing mushroom which are still just a shrine only)
cerulean lotus
who doesnt explore their world in terraria
random talon
kid named QOL mods
cerulean lotus
i love qol mods but i still go in caves and stuff lol
random talon
I started a Fargo's playthrough with my brother
cerulean lotus
👍
random talon
I was not happy with the instavator
swift wharf
cerulean lotus
instavator stinky
cerulean lotus
real
wide river
It does seem like that
Honestly might get rid of a few QoL mods next playthrough I do, just to have a slightly longer playthrough
swift wharf
it's been two years since that DAMN
cerulean lotus
maybe ill do a pure calamity playthrough
just because im always buying all my stuff
wide river
try using Gensokyo mod
I've heard that's good
Maybe I'll do it next
swift wharf
t*uhou
random talon
tired haven
it's been two years since that DAMN
going truer with each new day
wide river
Oh right I just remembered I was going to suggest to remove Ancient Bone Dust today
Figured I'd give it a go because I remembered how the last one got denied because of the split nature of it
wide river
It crafts three items total
Two of which have Bones in them
And the third is disposable
By the time you can craft Calcium Potions, you'd have found a Skeleton Merchant anyway,, and probably have just bought some from there
Or just ignored it entirely
Idk how Terraria players work
bright crag
I *did* hear that finding the Shrines was supposed to be a "Oh hey cool this exi...
Indeed
It's a cool extra
bright crag
Oh right I just remembered I was going to suggest to remove Ancient Bone Dust to...
We'll remove either Ancient Bone Dust, or Demonic Bone Ash
Still have to decide
wide river
Still have to decide
Hmm
I do recall there being strong arguments for the removal of both, what with either Ash Wood or Scorched Bone being suggested replacements for Demonic Bone Ash, and Ancient Bone Dust being just filler material
I can't imagine it's easy to decide which to remove, seeing as neither are particularly good, but they don't both need to be removed
I vote Ancient Bone Dust because Demonic Bone Ash is cooler
random pasture
True!
wide river
(God I have 19 suggestions waiting to be written)
(Maybe I should finish one of them this afternoon)
ashen warren
about the rod suggestion, maybe the shrine could just be a hallow shrine which spawns upon the hallow generating
random talon
maybe
ashen warren
the only issue with that is the shrine might generate over player-built structures
maybe, hear me out
the hallow shrine is generated upon world gen, but is disabled. the shrine could be used as an anchor for where the hallow will spawn, to let the player know not to build there
or it just spawns in on world-gen without all that anchor business
bright crag
Hmm
I do recall there being strong arguments for the removal of both, what with ...
I also prefer DBA
Though it is a Hell material so less accessible
pine star
The only thing I want to see when it comes to shrines is Statis, praying at the Surface shrine
north oracle
@kindred coyote
Formatting + Reasoning
kindred coyote
<@711709908394835972>
Formatting + Reasoning
Ok
cosmic karma
also kinda just sounds like a SIS
north oracle
You still need some reasoning for why a potion that completely breaks the function of losing stuff when you die should exist, along with this going directly into being an SIS
wide river
Doesn't that exact thing exist in like 3 other mods
I think AlchNPC has something like it, but I couldn't be certain
random talon
AlchemistNPC fans when you show them actual gameplay
north oracle
Doesn't that exact thing exist in like 3 other mods
Ah
Yeah, that’s unneeded then
worldly basalt
alchnpc
drowsy plank
@kindred coyote Specific Item Suggestion + No Reasoning
Also yeah it's hard to get your coins back after dying bc it's a punishment for dying
That is like. The point. If you dont wanna lose your cash just be dilligent and use Piggy Bank/Money Trough
glass arch
death has to have more of an impact than not being able to play for 3 seconds
drowsy plank
even then it's
so easy to avoid
just use money trough like fr
and if it's earlier than that then. it just removes the punishment because the potion would have to be like ironskin levels of easy to obtain
wide river
just use money trough like fr
But that would require playing the game, which isn't what the Terraria playerbase wants, apparently
glass arch
wide river
Somehow that has been true twice just today
glass arch
what was the first time again
small timber
which is why I propose the coins to be deleted instead of drop on ground, no more "need to take back my stuff" issue
glass arch
god no
wide river
what was the first time again
The shrines thing from earlier today
small timber
and it take from your piggy bank and opened container in the world
death taxes is real in Terraria
glass arch
no we just implement taxes
wide river
Dying just gives your money to the next player in your player select screen
If there is none the money is deleted
glass arch
you lose 15% of all the money in your world per day
wide river
Implement wills into the game
glass arch
yeah but the player isnt the one who pays them
this is why we must make the player pay taxes
small timber
Suggestion: Tax Collector Doesn't Make Any Sense
"Tax collector not collecting from the player is incredibly unrealistic and immersion breaking, I can't continue playing the game after acknowledging this, RIOT fix please"
tired haven
this is why we must make the player pay taxes
player already pays luxury tax by engaging with goblin
ivory galleon
bandit
hybrid steeple
200% income tax from tinkerer
ivory galleon
i love tax evasion - bandit
ripe owl
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north oracle
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cobalt pewter
this will always be relevant as long as Terraria is still alive
ashen warren
quality of life feature/config option to beat the game for you
random talon
lmao
tired haven
quality of life feature/config option to beat the game for you
story mode real
hollow ridge
@plucky crest make it bigger
give it a title
also there was a suggestion just like this
and iirc it got 🔒
random talon
@hollow shard I'm not quite understanding your suggestion
besides, I think items that solve your issue exist already
hollow shard
Like there's a book like in Minecraft mods with tips, it will act like a wiki in game where you can see anything unexpected that may occur in your playthroughs like world save being corrupted or sulphurous sea being on the wrong side, and the way of fixing that problems
Or just simple tips of what to do next, i think it will be more better for new players
swift wharf
there's already an item that does that
hollow shard
Wait really?
hollow shard
No not like this, just a book with tip like
"Do you have a problem with this??? Then here's a way to solve it"
"do you have a problem of killing this boss? Then use this gear"
Fargo's mod have this same stuff
swift wharf
mmmm
golden sonnet
That's just the discord
The discord has a list of known bugs, as well as pinned guides for every boss for every class
swift wharf
wiki
golden sonnet
It would be tedious to code everything into the game that exists on the wiki and discord already
swift wharf
and npcs already give tips
edgy sundial
that sounds an awful lot like clippy
swift wharf
wikithis mod idk
golden sonnet
Why would the astral % matter? It doesn't spread
wide river
(Also there's like no formatting or reasoning present)
drowsy plank
Why would the astral % matter? It doesn't spread
^ @ivory galleon
it's nice when people do my job for me
drowsy plank
i suppose it could be useful to check if another astral meteor could fall but also dryad doesnt mention normal meteors so eh
small timber
astral infection do not spread, and that is intentional
so unlike other evil biomes there is no urgency to completely get rid of it
wide river
The only reason I could see this being implemented is if it were a countermeasure for someone spreading Astral Infection elsewhere in the world via Astral Solution, but that's an unlikely scenario and not many players will do that unless they simply didn't get an Astral Infection spawn
marble moat
hm on the topic of evil do yall think it would be a good idea to implement some option/item to slow evil spread
not like stop it entirely, but just slow it from early hardmode levels to like, post... plant? do they slow after plant?
small timber
that is one of the thing that is not allowed to be suggested mainly because apparently the code to slow/stop evil spread is really awful
wide river
Plantera slows it, yeah
small timber
I think stop is like doable but slow is very awful to implement? not sure need to check
since that one was like, really old when codes are more limited
marble moat
i just find it really damn annoying when its just like "oh yeah you're starting the game with 4 evil pockets this ones on the beach this ones in the desert this ones in the snow" etc
drowsy plank
that is one of the thing that is not allowed to be suggested mainly because appa...
i think that is allowed now
wide river
that is one of the thing that is not allowed to be suggested mainly because appa...
That got removed from the Don'ts at some point, I assume because the Evil Spread code had changed at some point or something
drowsy plank
yeah spread suggestions are allowed now
marble moat
because esp pre-mech its a pain in the ass
drowsy plank
i wish i could just get my evil generation rework suggestion to pass (change the V into a column so you can just dig containment shafts) but nope
and yeah i think that'd be fine you'd just need to give convincing evidence
drowsy plank
fuck yeah
small timber
but how awful of an ILEdit will that be
bright crag
You'd have to ask a programmer
small timber
becauase apparently stopping lava slime from spewing lava is the equivalent of breaking the game engine in half, I can't trust any ILEdit anymore
marble moat
what is the code that forces evil gen
ivory galleon
i wish the astral biome didn’t spawn in hardmode but instead in post ml cuz we are already getting the hallow but there are already a lot of bosses post ml and clutter sucks so nvm ig
bright crag
I do think slowing down the spread is a lesser improvement than just
Making spread containment more casual, doable and appealing
drowsy plank
^^^
bright crag
The problem with many mechanics isn't that they exist, it's that they're unnappealing to most players
marble moat
how would one accomplish that then
marble moat
The problem with many mechanics isn't that they exist, it's that they're unnappe...
so me
me when i have to do anything that is not fight boss or prepare to fight boss
small timber
The year is 2023
ivory galleon
like if terraria added quests it would seem like a cool idea but i already know i’m not going to do any all i care about are the bosses and gearing up
marble moat
im just incredibly lazy
small timber
quest when 90% of playerbase didn't bother reading NPC dialogue
drowsy plank
148 isnt bad but im not really sure how to improve it
small timber
unless you do it like Starlight River style where they really put it in front of you; most people straight up ignore NPCs
it is just a nature and preassumption from vanilla's NPC except for Guide basically having useless dialogues
marble moat
148 isnt bad but im not really sure how to improve it
pictures?
diagrams and all that
bright crag
how would one accomplish that then
Give the player better tools to contain the spread (which is already happening with things like Wulfrum Turtles and Biome Sight potions), not putting things that challenge said spread containment in annoying ways (like the V shape making containment tunnels more troublesome to make)
If you really want to make biome containment appealing, you could tie content or rewards to it
small timber
and realistically no unless they plan on doing something unique with the quest system, no one is gonna bother with MMO style of quest
bright crag
(Though that last part is questionable)
small timber
like "go to this biome and kill 3 chickens"
bright crag
Starlight NPC dialogue my beloved
drowsy plank
i think it would be neat if dryad did actually give you an item for purifying the world
bright crag
Purification Powder...?
ivory galleon
i think it would be neat if dryad did actually give you an item for purifying th...
yeah like a special vanity set or a pet would be a nice reward
and not just good job
drowsy plank
oh i meant 100% purifying the world, getting a trophy kinda like sailfish trophy or something
i wasn't thinking that hard about it lol
bright crag
Oh
marble moat
the thing is containing the evil is like fine? but by the time you have the tools to actually do it the damage is usually done
bright crag
A reward
True
small timber
"universal pylon is a useful item"
drowsy plank
lmao
small timber
let me just 100% the entire game to get a 1 off no duplicate teleporter with the advantage of not requiring wiring
drowsy plank
station buff that gives dryad's blessing
also lol yeah
people who use uni pylon as an infinite potion of return
small timber
I will be honest if universal pylon is like, "seen every pre-HM enemies/NPCs" then it will be a lot more reasonable
because that means you can get a teleporter at pre-HM
and even that is way too much works for it
small timber
yeah
drowsy plank
@ivory galleon you can... scroll up in chat???
random talon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hybrid steeple
when the enter key is sus
glass arch
yeah you can scroll up chat
drowsy plank
tbf i only learned you could recently so i wouldnt blame them for not know but
yeah
glass arch
i see a lot of people scrolling up in chat a lot so its not necessarily hard to know it exists its just annoying to learn how
bright crag
the thing is containing the evil is like fine? but by the time you have the tool...
In a way
Wulfrum Turtles and Scarab Bombs are preboss and great digging tools
Biome Sight Potions are preboss too, albeit not too easy to brew
The issue is, to my understanding, Clentaminator and the diagonal stripes
glass arch
the hardmode V is an absolute bitch to clean up yeah
marble moat
once hardmode enters then everything just goes to die
bright crag
Clentaminator comes relatively late, the diagonal stripes make digging very annoying
drowsy plank
pretty much! even turts can't help much with that because it's at a weird angle
ALSO it's so incredibly unintuitive that the world evil's underground. is. not under the surface
ashen warren
@ivory galleon just watch a video or something of the exo mechs fight
bright crag
Wish it was collumns, and the evil collumn spawned in the y position of an existing evil biome
drowsy plank
in my first playthrough i just. didnt visit the underground hallowed because i didnt find it
glass arch
something something that one sugg to make the evil biomes columns
marble moat
does cal progression rework remove the stupid ass biome spread on altar destruction
drowsy plank
Wish it was collumns, and the evil collumn spawned in the y position of an exist...
THAT IS LITERALLY MY SUGG 💥
drowsy plank
does cal progression rework remove the stupid ass biome spread on altar destruct...
yes
glass arch
does cal progression rework remove the stupid ass biome spread on altar destruct...
yes
marble moat
THAT IS LITERALLY MY SUGG 💥
i think the consensus is that we should repost that sugg with some more bells and whistles
bright crag
Vanilla does in 1.4.4
drowsy plank
it has too many probably but ill just post it in posting and yall can critique it
ripe owl
Just
Fight the Exos
Press "Enter"
Press Up arrow a couple of times
marble moat
images and reasonings for difficulty of containment
for example: the time it takes to get clentaminator
drowsy plank
i guess? i feel like most people know about it and i do include that im pretty sure
just no pictures
drowsy plank
im not really sure what id include that could improve it tbf
it's pretty obvious that the V spawns in... well a V so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
if you have an idea of something that could help feel free to send it and i can repost but yeah
marble moat
its obvious but hey i'm stupid and would appreciate seeing a mockup for columns and a diagram of how much the evil v's spread in an hour
blazing kettle
wasnt this denied before due to sometbing related to how the game is build or something or was that a different sugg
marble moat
actually how long does it take for most people to beat first mech
blazing kettle
or did this usgg just never build up traction
drowsy plank
wasnt this denied before due to sometbing related to how the game is build or so...
i dont remember but it wasn't rejected
marble moat
since people usually dig up ores, grind for weapons and gear, build better arenas, etc
drowsy plank
never built up traction
blazing kettle
ah okay
marble moat
so let's say 2.5 hours, is there a way to tickwarp in this game
drowsy plank
and stip was just agreeing with me earlier so 🤞
you can speed stuff up by sleeping n junk if that is what u mean
marble moat
mmmmm i would go get an image for yall but im kinda procrastinating rn and should really stop
drowsy plank
lol fair
marble moat
but either way an actual visual aid would help the sugg get passed imo
blazing kettle
why would thus need ti be in cal though is my other question
marble moat
esp including the extent of biome spread
marble moat
why would thus need ti be in cal though is my other question
because of compatibility with other cal biome gen?
blazing kettle
didnt see that brought up in the suggestion
drowsy plank
why would thus need ti be in cal though is my other question
a large chunk of calamity progression is dependent on drops from the jungle and hallow, plus there are a LOT more bosses you'd want to fight before mechs, plus it has harder difficulties, plus it's done a lot of QoL stuff related to vanilla like the preHM reworks and hardmode reworks, along with stuff like removing the evil block spawns from the shrines anyway
with the bestiary rewrites maybe it could even be something lore related, even if it is useless, kinda like rock from boss rush or even path of pain from hollow knight, since they only give small lore things/physical trophies so useful items aren't locked behind such a tedious task, just something optional for the dedicated
blazing kettle
i feel like you could bring that up in the suggestion instead of the axe of purity bit or biome spread mods
marble moat
Yeah I wouldn’t even consider ace of purity tbh
Never have and probably never will, and it’s not the dealbreaker that makes cleanup clean and satisfying
It’s another sidetrack for the player who’s just entered hardmode and has a bunch of other stuff on their mind
Which is why I believe that evil containment should be something that should be made accessible and much less time consuming than it is atm
So pillars are a great way to do that
Since I’m just gonna dig (read: instavator) trenches around all my evil patches
If that was implemented
blazing kettle
imo the current sugg isnt thst compelling where it only bring up how it would make axe of purity and mods like begone evil less of a nessecity
marble moat
Btw I think something cool for uni pylon is just make it craftable with one of each of the other pylons and maybe something else like a boss/exploration lock since that’s already a significant investment
marble moat
imo the current sugg isnt thst compelling where it only bring up how it would ma...
yeah I’d say to remove reference to those and focus more on how it benefits the early hardmode experience, among other thingns
Or at least, reduce it
blazing kettle
a large chunk of calamity progression is dependent on drops from the jungle and ...
but i really like this as it does bring up a few actual issues with the current hardmode generation
marble moat
Btw I think something cool for uni pylon is just make it craftable with one of e...
@small timber
small timber
that change how universal pylon is obtained entirely
and do you include calamity pylon or no?
marble moat
yeah, it’s universal after all
small timber
then it is still essentially a more effort teleporter
yes the suggestion is still a more effort teleporter, but at least it dont stray far from how it is originally obtained (aka tied to bestiary)
marble moat
personally I don’t see any reason why pylon should be linked to bestiary other than the bestiary showing that you’ve explored places? I guess?
small timber
at this point if you just want to combine all pylons my as well add a new item that do the same instead
wide river
then it is still essentially a more effort teleporter
On the topic of Pylons, hopefully Astral Pylon gets their NPC requirement removed
(Sorry for just randomly bringing something else up just thought I'd say it)
drowsy plank
tbf teleporters are going to be preHM next update anyway but
marble moat
@drowsy plank apologies for the image thing again but would it possible to provide a mock-up for how you’d want the columns to generate
Like would it be under every patch of evil or
drowsy plank
i would just include the picture of GFB generation but that'd be future content references
the idea is just a literal column on top of two of the evil biomes, turning one into hallowed, and the other would pierce all the way down to hell
wide river
Then maybe it'd have the most reasoning once 1.4.4 comes out, since the column technique is obviously possible
marble moat
How would you know which ones would get converted
Since there are usually more than 2 patches on large worlds
small timber
that is no difference from current
how do you know where the V shape will land, it have variance too
I don't think it always land at the centre of the world
drowsy plank
you wouldnt but at least you would have a better idea, and yeah what xpc said
hell you could even just have them gen more like desert/astral
would still be easier
ripe owl
how do you know where the V shape will land, it have variance too
I don't think...
It lands approximately at the center
marble moat
is there no way to just make a vertical column of evil under the biome
Like scrap the diagonals completely
drowsy plank
...
ripe owl
There is some leeway but it's not that the center of the V can just randomly spawn at the 1/3rd of the world
drowsy plank
that is my request yes
small timber
then you can literally also just make the column spawn at similar position as if the V is assumed to be at the centre of the world
marble moat
Riiiight i got confused because I wasn’t sure if the image you sent was the projected or vanilla one lmao
marble moat
no I’m just dumb
drowsy plank
p much yeah
marble moat
I’m here as the representative for the average QOL using calamity player
so would it be the 2 closest evil biomes to the spawn, one left one right
glass arch
idk why but that jungle looks extremely odd for me
marble moat
That makes enough sense and I’d add that to the sugg just in case
small timber
it is not that hard to just assume from the suggestion
"instead of V, it spawn in 2 I"
because Column is I shape
marble moat
I like the conceptual idea of the hallow just erasing one of the evils too
drowsy plank
marble moat
Though… since hallow is normally supposed to corrupt the purity it might feel a bit out of place to have it be all pearlstone
And then i remember there is still grass in the evil
Whoops
marble moat
That looks good
drowsy plank
the wall releases the godly essense, so obviously the remains of the gods corpses would attract most of it
i love being able to ignore sugg-posting's slowmode for image edits 
glass arch
the wall releases the godly essense, so obviously the remains of the gods corpse...
i mean thats already shown to be the case with hive mind
wide river
i love being able to ignore sugg-posting's slowmode for image edits <:CalSmug:89...
Mod abuse smh
glass arch
i mean thats already shown to be the case with hive mind
like it doesnt even break anything about the lore it actively strengthens an aspect of it
small timber
the main problem I see with the suggestion is that hallow will nearly always be very far from centre of the world
or rather, either one of: Hallow or Underground Evil will be far
because currently the main reason Hardmode spawn in a column/V of evil biome is mainly to provide immediately access to Underground evil biome (while hallow is of course to spawn the entire biome in)
in the suggested implementation they will have high tendency for at least one of them to be near the edge of the world due to how it is generated; while V shape is almost always near centre
small timber
so I think this one is just, better
in hardmode doesn't mean it should be a norm to travel half the entire world to obtain resources newly spawned into the world, even with consideration of item such as conch
drowsy plank
eh
i like the consistency of being able to plan ahead with this version tbh, plus you say that like it's hard to get around in hardmode, PLUS like. pylons exist. hallowed literally HAS one. it is the OPPOSITE of hard.
small timber
additionally because the player do not immediately know where the biome is spawned as they enter hardmode as they have no full map vision; at that players have tendency to explore from centre outwards towards to edge of the world
there is no consistency and plan ahead in this when it 100% will just be "wiki this or you have no idea" knowledge
drowsy plank
yeah which incentivizes exploration and increases the duration of hardmode which is something cal likes
again you
say that like the V isn't literally the exact same way
at least with these columns there's a POSSIBILITY of planning
small timber
this one gaurantees both biome to be relatively close to spawn (or at least not too far away) for ease of access
small timber
and for the proposed version: how do you plan ahead?
do you just purification powder the one you don't want? or bomb it? or create your own evil biome so hardmode spawn on it?
drowsy plank
you just extend the containment shafts that, at the very least, i usually build in preHardmode, all the way down to hell
swift wharf
disable spread mod
marble moat
you just extend the containment shafts that, at the very least, *i* usually buil...
instavator stock rising
drowsy plank
disable spread mod
errant wren
kindred skiff
plucky crest
Calamity, thankfully adds Axe of Purity, which provides a modicum of containability pre-Mechs, in case, say, two of your pylons happen to be hit by it and your only other solution would be nuking their surroundings and rebuilding the biome from scratch. Evil Spread mods don't help either. Crazy “hypothetical”. Anyway.```from the first draft
swift wharf
third party spread disablers are 100% mandatory
"but outside mods!!!" nuh uh
this is the only exception
marble moat
speaking of those I should definitely get one before I transition to hardmode in my own playthrough
swift wharf
fuck the V
drowsy plank
i mean i agree with everything you said but the V can still cause issues even WITH spread disablers
swift wharf
exactly
random talon
speaking of those I should definitely get one before I transition to hardmode in...
advice: don't use it for your WoF fight, then use it for destroying the altars
drowsy plank
tbf they dont stop the V generation and also cal already removes that
if they are doing a cal run which i assume so
random talon
ah
swift wharf
i was gonna check smth but where the fuck am I
random talon
fandom momen
glass arch
bro went to wiki.ggez
ashen warren
i was gonna check smth but where the fuck am I
Wtf is this
swift wharf
NEW ORE
wide river
I don't think that's Fandom
Looks too wrong to be Fandom
ashen warren
Eclipse went to an alternate universes wiki
swift wharf
this looks twice as fucky because i use antifandom
so it fucks the already scuffed fandom layout
anyways thank god
glass arch
thats fucking release adamantite cobalt and chloro bars isnt it
glass arch
the third one is mythril?????
swift wharf
yes
wide river
Yes
glass arch
what the kentucky fried fuck
glass arch
theres hardly a difference between these
like side by side you can tell but at a glance nahh
marble moat
tbf they dont stop the V generation and also cal already removes that
if they *a...
yeah it’s infernum multiplayer
it is difficult because my computer does not like hosting with infernum graphics lmao
cobalt pewter
#suggestions-posting message
I think the simplest solution here is to reduce the amount needed to get universal
probably uhhh
75-80%
around that ballpark
golden sonnet
Idk what was said about the suggestion already, but getfixedboi/don'tdigup already gens the hallow/evil like this and it's incredibly convenient
wide river
That is precisely why I think this should wait until after the port to be suggested, since that would allow for extra reasoning
wide river
Yeah, no harm in doing it now
bright crag
I was gonna suggest a permanent upgrade from shimmering Universal Pylon
Which would let you tp to a Pylon from anywhere you are
Maybe reduce NPC requirements for Pylon tp too
A small extra
unique frigate
I was gonna suggest a permanent upgrade from shimmering Universal Pylon
Which wo...
Luckily that's already a mod
errant quest
Saw that suggestion about world evil spread in hardmode and just wanna say I think they're the worst mechanic ever because I'm constantly anxious about them spreading and worried about that instead of actually enjoying the game
So i just use a mod to stop biome spread and take any intrusive evil out ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cobalt pewter
just play journey
random talon
I just bomb out some hellevators to contain them
It's hard, but it's worth it and leaves you with a LOT of materials
marble moat
the thing is that still leaves the entire middle of the map just corrupt and that kinda sucks lol
plus i dont want to be doing that right after beating WOF i've got items to grind and bosses to kill, among other things
which is why making it doable pre-hm sounds great
rugged belfry
I like the diagonal design because it proposes a challenge, but I do agree that I think it's a little too hard to contain
I would be okay if they just didn't spread into purity or jungle tbh
atomic rain
So i just use a mod to stop biome spread and take any intrusive evil out ¯\_(ツ)_...
Use onyx key instead.
drowsy plank
wh
how the fuck does onyx key fix corruption spread
it mines sideways not vertically
fervent orbit
you wouldnt understand cog
this guy is 10 levels above our genius
he can use onyx key vertically
drowsy plank
swift wharf
you mine horizontally a lot of times until there's no corruption
marble moat
and hey you get an exo mechs arena out of it too
worldly sparrow
very good suggestion the latest one do be
glass arch
and hey you get an exo mechs arena out of it too
mpg can confirm
dense ferry
I am not sure why exactly but I do think that this would be 💥
Lab Projectors are the Draedon holograms right?
sage granite
Correct
There's a few times I tried to use it in a build but it can only face the 1 way 
dense ferry
Yeah, idk since programming that thing is fucking ridiculous
So it only facing one side is probably a limitation due to that
sage granite
Maybe
dense ferry
Pre generated text ❤️
swift wharf
you're just scared of the idea of draedon facing another draedon
wide river
So it only facing one side is probably a limitation due to that
I don't think signs have multiple directions, and the Lab Hologram Projector is essentially a big sign, so I wouldn't think it could rotate
random talon
It should be able to rotate
swift wharf
you could
add a second hologram projector but that is a scuffed fix
frosty trellis
We don't need a better DCU in phm
random talon
???
random talon
wdym by "DCU"
minor nexus
seafood should be thrown in water and float there like IRL shark bait
random talon
that would be fun
crude geode
This has been thrown around
random talon
pun
crude geode
I think it even got voted into dev once
glass arch
T H A T W A S N O T T H E I N T E N S I O N
ok but we still have a free exos arena from it
grave zincBOT
@frank mauve - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Crystyl Crusher suggestion: swap the left and right mouse button functions]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
hollow idol
right click channeling defeated
crude geode
Finally
frosty trellis
Lesgoooo
ashen warren
frank mauve
Nice
marble moat
T H A T W A S N O T T H E I N T E N S I O N
there seems to be context i am missing
hybrid steeple
finally
ashen warren
Give true melee a 1000% damage increase because I love true melee
whole lagoon
Give true melee a 1000% damage increase because I love true melee <:XD:936106628...
yes
random talon
Give true melee a 1000% damage increase because I love true melee <:XD:936106628...
what was the suggestion you're referring to?
ashen warren
what was the suggestion you're referring to?
Got deleted
But it was asking to revert the 50% damage thing with true melee weapons
ashen warren
True melee already destroys anything that comes close to it usually so I don’t think it’s really needed
random talon
most intelligent calamity suggestion
ashen warren
Fr
fiery imp
<@435230881657913344> what
i mean its pretty much just a fancy swing animation no?
halcyon zealot
i mean its pretty much just a fancy swing animation no?
Just make sure to check out the suggestion rules
ashen warren
^
fiery imp
the donts?
hollow idol
subscribe to YuH’s essence flayer rework addon iirc
fiery imp
- Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, stats, sprite, etc. ahhh now i see
ashen warren
the donts?
“Always add a reason to your suggestion” or something like that
You didn’t really give a reason
halcyon zealot
`- Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, ...
wide river
If you can find out a reason as to why a scythe weapon would benefit the mod, I believe it will be fine to suggest
But as of now, there is none present
high nest
1.4.4 will make jungles getting converted non-destructive because evil and hallow grass grow on mud, I think the change to the evil and hallow spawns suggestion isnt really necessary. If 1.4.4 wasnt approaching I might agree cause corruption turning mud to dirt is a pain in the ass
novel belfry
I wanna make those spike balls and blazing wheels be damageable
god they are so annoying
euggh
buoyant idol
Isn't there a Column Evil mod already?
glass arch
1.4.4 will make jungles getting converted non-destructive because evil and hallo...
no its not to make it less of a pain in the ass with the mud to dirt this is just to make it less of a pain in the ass to clentaminate and more intuitive to explore
