suggestions-discussion

[lavish condor]

how do you use a 4 block tall tunnel on bosses?

I can't imagine not being able to jump being good for most bosses

[tired haven]

Y'know, all this blabbering reminds me of mole cart, which is limited in so many ways that you can't even use it ironically because of how unfun the process is

[dense ferry]

Calamity Bosses

[ripe owl]

My Brother
A fucking City Buster is much faster for that

Plus by the time you get to the Champions you don't even need Onyx Key

[dense ferry]

If anything, Onyx Excavator Key is the best solution possible to early game arena making

[ripe owl]

No, I mean City Buster

Looks like a you problem

[dense ferry]

Epic location, good utility, decently hard to get

[undone holly]

I mean, I'd say its only truly good for just like moving horizontally underground. By moving horizontally, I mean like from one side of the world to the other.

[dense ferry]

?

No?

[ashen warren]

I think it should scale with your mining speed to make it just a bit more balanced

[undone holly]

I tried making a makeshift enemy farm with it, tbh using basic bombs was more effective bc no jump

[dense ferry]

God no

[ashen warren]

like 3x or 4x as fast as regular mining speed

cause rn it instamines

and thats kinda broken

[ripe owl]

You get a Reaver Shark and then you won't be able to recognize your world because you have destroyed it

[ashen warren]

if you get it early

[ripe owl]

Cause that's the point

It's good for mining fast, but it doesn't have like super good minin abilities

It limits you only to a straight stripe

[ashen warren]

the point is, i kinda just wanna add a bit more grind

[crude geode]

[lavish condor]

Whenever I try to use it I always lose elevation to random air pockets so the stripe isn't even straight

[ashen warren]

(i'm gonna die for saying that)

[crude geode]

You are

[ashen warren]

uh oh

[ripe owl]

Then just

Don't use the Excavator?

[ashen warren]

y'know what

[ripe owl]

I didn't, and I'm doing perfectly fine

[ashen warren]

nvm

[dense ferry]

What Grind are you even removing by nerfing the Excavator Key?

[ashen warren]

just nvm

[ripe owl]

Of slowly mining everything that exists

[ashen warren]

HOLY [Cowabunga] I SAID NEVERMIND

yknow what im just gonna go back to eating dinner

bye for now

[north oracle]

the sugg is still there

[ripe owl]

Also Onyx Key does scale with mining power, idk what you are on about it

The sugg also mentions mining power

[north oracle]

he's leaving the conversation about his sugg without doing anything about it and just saying "never mind"

[ripe owl]

I even double checked to make sure

[drowsy plank]

you ever actually try to do that? cause i have, and you wanna know what happens? you fall into fucking holes. over. and over. and over again. because terraria is not a superflat cake of materials, you really can't actually mine a line across the world without falling into like 8 different caves systems and also like... what the fuck are you even gonna do with that? build a minecart track? good! nobody uses them anyway! like onyx doesn't do SHIT. it sucks for clearing, it sucks for mining. it's just not a good item in all honesty. like wow yeah it sure does mine in straight lines fast which is applicable approxmiately...?????????

[ripe owl]

@Мoderators new copypasta dropped

[drowsy plank]

mole minecart is like 20 times better for straight lines and sticky dynamite trumps it in clearing in every way

bro it's barely even a paragraph

i just physically do not understand what people have a problem with with it

[swift wharf]

calamity player read challenge

[drowsy plank]

yeah u did

[ripe owl]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

but also
huh

[swift wharf]

people complain about mining speed nerfs then complain that the mining tool is too good

unbelievable

[drowsy plank]

lmao i forgot about the mining speed nerfs

[ripe owl]

()

[frosty trellis]

(I don't really see the problem with excavator key)
(Don't you have to get lucky/go out of your way to find it?)

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

there is a finder

there's the onyx finder

[drowsy plank]

pickaxe axe is already super fast so i just use mining speed buffs and it is prolly way faster and getting chloro then drill because it can actually go up and down

[swift wharf]

so it is not really hard to find it

[ripe owl]

Yeah but you need to find the labs first

[dense ferry]

Which classifies as "going out of your way"

[ripe owl]

[swift wharf]

planetoid

[ripe owl]

Well shit you beat me here

[swift wharf]

just exclaim it for being too specific or let it die in voting

😈

my god

my god.

what a trill

[dense ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919788930348499004/980516575939526686/unknown.gif

[swift wharf]

[ripe owl]

Mutant I can understand

But AlchNPC

In any of its form

[ashen warren]

OH GOD THE FIRST POST I MADE STARTED A GANG WAR

[dense ferry]

Cringe scene

[ripe owl]

Even Lite

[ripe owl]

That's called "discussion"

[swift wharf]

i love taking outside mods into account!!!!!

[hybrid steeple]

when the quality is uhhhhh life

[dense ferry]

When the life has quality

[ripe owl]

The year is uuuh the uuuuuuuh what was it

Forgot

[hybrid steeple]

the shadow of 2024 draws ever nearer......

[swift wharf]

I'm honestly baffled tho

[dense ferry]

2024 will truly be a calamity

[swift wharf]

that thing is only good for horizontal mining

it's not like you're

[ripe owl]

Exactly

[swift wharf]

using the post ML mount in prehm

[dense ferry]

Eclipse you don't get it

It's fast!!

[hybrid steeple]

stripmining applications in terraria:

[swift wharf]

I'm going to mangle you into piexes

[north oracle]

can we just ❗ this one

[hybrid steeple]

#1:

[dense ferry]

My brother in Christ you would literally kill Draedon on the first five seconds of the fight and not notice it

[swift wharf]

sku

[ashen warren]

🤣

[dense ferry]

.

[ripe owl]

Not well formatted
Not a good reasoning
And also yeah ^^^

No

[cold cosmos]

And there’s no purpose. Why is this necessary?

[ripe owl]

You still have the third problem to account

[cold cosmos]

No, just don’t suggest it

[hybrid steeple]

add draedon as the fourth boss of the exo mechs, where he inhabits a gargantuan brain-shaped supercomputer, visualizing his immense knowledge, and fights with multiple small nodes

[cold cosmos]

Literally serves no purpose other than “I want it to be a thing” which is a definite Don’t

[dense ferry]

.

[north oracle]

[dense ferry]

I'm

Not gonna continue this

[cold cosmos]

But why?

[north oracle]

and that means there is literally no point in this
the sugg has no purpose lmao

[cold cosmos]

Why should it be implemented at all

[dense ferry]

Cool, it doesn't matter

[cold cosmos]

That’s not good reasoning

Nor is it compelling at all

[hybrid steeple]

fuck

[ripe owl]

What

[hybrid steeple]

i hit my keyboard

💀

[ripe owl]

Careful

[cold cosmos]

Nor does it warrant the devs time and attention coding in something completely irrelevant just because you think it makes sense

[dense ferry]

I thought you wanted to write 1984 😭

[ripe owl]

The least passive-aggressive "lmao"

[north oracle]

lmao.

[hybrid steeple]

this is just like george wahsingtons uhhhh book 934

[cold cosmos]

lmao.

[ripe owl]

Woah dude calm down, what dog bit you?

[cold cosmos]

It’s what?

[ivory galleon]

hello

[ripe owl]

Oh yeah we should increase the number

[cold cosmos]

Warranted? Yes I agree

[north oracle]

XD.

[ivory galleon]

what’s happening

[cold cosmos]

You heard the man, everyone go flag the post!

[ivory galleon]

what suggestion are we talking about

[cold cosmos]

The latest one

[ripe owl]

The latest

[ivory galleon]

oh i think no he should be his own big boss fight

or is he weak

idk

[cold cosmos]

He has like 10k health

[swift wharf]

he's weak as fuck

[ivory galleon]

oh lmfao

[north oracle]

he isn't strong enough to fight you on his own

[cold cosmos]

And doesn’t attack

[north oracle]

that's why he made mechs

[ivory galleon]

thought his armor would do something

[swift wharf]

draedon would get kicked in the nuts

[ripe owl]

Draedon ain't gon do SHIT to you without his toys!

[cold cosmos]

Exactly

[ivory galleon]

isn’t he a villain why can’t we can kill bum

him

[swift wharf]

ask in lore discussion

[cold cosmos]

Nah he’s just kinda there

[swift wharf]

or cmt but cmt sucks

[hybrid steeple]

10k health ignoring the ridiculous lengths to which the devs went to make sure you always 1hit him

[swift wharf]

people will explain it better

[ripe owl]

The best we can do is destroy his hologram after the Exos fight

[swift wharf]

10k health is nothing in post yharom lmao

[cold cosmos]

If you hit him he just talks about how you’re a violent ass and leaves

[ivory galleon]

what are the like bosses that will be added in the future? i know yharim and somebody said noxus but i’m not sure what that is

[ripe owl]

Yharim, Noxus and Xeroc

That's it

[cold cosmos]

I think yharim, noxus, and Xeroc, yeah

[ivory galleon]

is noxus and xeroc gonna be stronger

than yharim

[ripe owl]

Yharim will be the last boss and Nox and Xer will be actual superbosses

[ivory galleon]

oh kinda like scal

super boss

[cold cosmos]

What about the one slime guy? Guzma or something. Might be noncanon idk

[ripe owl]

SCal is not a superboss

It's just a boss

[ivory galleon]

oh someone said that to me

ok nvm

[cold cosmos]

AEW is though

Scal used to be

[north oracle]

also no lol

[ivory galleon]

what

what’s see

a e w

[north oracle]

AEW isn't one anymore

he's not even a boss

[ripe owl]

Goozma doesn't exist
Astrageldon is not canon

[cold cosmos]

Oh wait really?

Damn my boy jared got hit hard

[ivory galleon]

oh we aren’t gonna fight the true slime god?

i thought he died in queen slime

[ripe owl]

He does

[ivory galleon]

oh ok lol

[ripe owl]

And that's the end of his

[cold cosmos]

No i know astrageldon was noncanon I wasn’t sure about Goozma.

[ripe owl]

Goozma was rewritten to be Noxus iirc

[drowsy plank]

as we all know the real draedon show up for exos mechs obviously

[cold cosmos]

Oh

Old lore moment

[ripe owl]

Cog could you check media channel? Pleading face

[ivory galleon]

what’s xeroc btw (and noxus?)

[cold cosmos]

Yo @ashen warren could you delete the suggestion?

[cold cosmos]

Iirc gods of some sort

[ripe owl]

Xeroc is one of the gods
Noxus is uuuuh not known well

[ivory galleon]

oh k

[ripe owl]

Just some being from the Distortion

[cold cosmos]

Xeroc made the meld shit idk what noxus is

[hybrid steeple]

no

[ivory galleon]

he made the rock

[cold cosmos]

Swearing’s allowed right?

[dense ferry]

Xeroc isn't related to Meld anymore

[hybrid steeple]

if anything noxus made the meld

but thats old too

[cold cosmos]

Old lore moment x2

[hybrid steeple]

fuck yeah

[ivory galleon]

holy fuck lips

lois

[cold cosmos]

No i know xeroc made the rock

[ivory galleon]

lois holy fuck

[cold cosmos]

But Xeroc basically created the universe right?

[dense ferry]

No

[ripe owl]

No

[ivory galleon]

other channel

[hybrid steeple]

"one of the gods"
kind of gives the wrong impression about the gods

[cold cosmos]

Bro wtf I do not know new lore

[hybrid steeple]

xeroc is the first and absolute strongest god

and the strongest being in calamity

[ivory galleon]

ok

[hybrid steeple]

theyre stronger than anything else by far

[ripe owl]

I mean there are multiple gods in the universe of Calamity are there not?

[dense ferry]

Xeroc consumed Zeratros' Auric Soul, the King of Dragons, becoming the First God

And well, if you want to check out the new Lore

[ripe owl]

Oh silly me forgot

[dense ferry]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DgyreCi8fGco8QiFhKHH8rIo_wHplhthdq08ro_SK9o/edit?usp=sharing

This should help you out

[ivory galleon]

ok ima read that bye

[cold cosmos]

MODS! BAN THIS PEASANT!

[cold cosmos]

Bro i don’t have time for that

[hybrid steeple]

venture into Our Lair (#lore-discussion) to learn more (be caught up in long pointless discussions)

[dense ferry]

Fair

[cold cosmos]

Well damn

You got me there

Comeback of the century

[ripe owl]

Could you not

[cold cosmos]

Practically shakespeare with that level of insult

[cold cosmos]

Who?

[ripe owl]

Nevermind already

You fixed the problem

[cold cosmos]

Also isn’t a planetoid fix already happening?

Or am i being dumb agaib

Again

Idk i think so?

[ripe owl]

Life Crystal point doesn't make any sense. I guess it was intentionally designed to be a high risk high reward thing: you go to the space and you get Crystals faster in exchange for a higher chance of dying
Planetoids with chests are usually the Jungle ones and they contain useful stuff like Diving Helmet or Bezoar or anything that's good

[lavish condor]

Unless my reading comprehension is off there's not actually a suggestion here, just a list of flaws. That'd probably be important to add

[cold cosmos]

Yeah seriously what are you thinking with the life crystals being irrelevant? That’s usually how I get 400

Or are you just getting skill issued by harpies

[ripe owl]

You can't get a Bezoar without going to the Jungle

[lavish condor]

bezoar is super useful early-game especially on death where poison hurts like hell

[frosty trellis]

None of this is really like, that accurate

I know me and a bunch of other people explore planatoids and stuff early TO get life crystals and some more ores to speed up the early game once we get grav potions + a good excuse to search for early floating islands

Unless you're playing on Master, the harpies don't deal THAT much to warrant not going for it when people do early sky islands all the time anyways.

The chests not having anything useful in them is also just a ????
Bezor is great, especially for jungle exploration early game
Flipper is a nice accessory overall to get since water chests can be finicky at times with them (or ocean is just being mean) and helps with early sulf sea exploration

Like, I don't really know what this is supposed to refer too

[ripe owl]

Yeah and there are like

[cold cosmos]

No

[frosty trellis]

No

That's a lie

And a half

[ripe owl]

A shitton of things that can poison you during the Jungle exploration

[cold cosmos]

1 trip to jungle = 0 bezoar

[frosty trellis]

You're like

The only person

[cold cosmos]

100 trips to jungle = a few bezoar

[ripe owl]

You're exaggerating, and boy are you exaggerating a lot

[frosty trellis]

Unless you go in with max spawnrates, somehow don't die early and kill a billion things, then no, you aren't getting a ton

[cold cosmos]

Are you by any chance using a loot modifier?

[frosty trellis]

You get one if you're lucky

[lavish condor]

bezoar's got like a 2% chance to drop from hornets idk how many hornets you're killing to get a ton

[hybrid steeple]

honestly dont understand people who expect the player to stay grounded
like the sunken sea first lab thing. who the hell doesnt beeline straight for space when they get rope?

[lavish condor]

Especially early game the hornets are hard to kill in bulk

[frosty trellis]

I've gone entire pts where I explore tons of jungle and don't get a bezoar until I go farm for one

[cold cosmos]

JUNGLE CHESTS DON’T HAVE BEZOARS IN THEM YOU BUFFOON

[ripe owl]

They aren't from chests

[cold cosmos]

Man is actually trolling

[frosty trellis]

I MADE A SUGGESTION ABOUT THAT AND IT DIDN'T GET SENT TO DEV BC THE BOT BROKE AND I DUNNO WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT

[ripe owl]

It seems to be so

[cold cosmos]

Are you using a loot modifier?

[ripe owl]

Repost it

Shrimple

[hybrid steeple]

resubmit it

[lavish condor]

anyway

[cold cosmos]

Then you’re lying

[hybrid steeple]

it was a banger sugg itll get through again

[lavish condor]

You should probably add a solution to the problems you're mentioning in your sugg

[cold cosmos]

Obviously, you only need 1

[ripe owl]

Worst case is two

[cold cosmos]

I’m not a mod you absolute melon

[ripe owl]

Nobody here is

[cold cosmos]

Otherwise I probably would

[ripe owl]

Casual mod abuse

[cold cosmos]

Which is why I’m not a mod

[lavish condor]

"you absolute melon" is hilarious

[cold cosmos]

Nah they’re already busted enough

[ripe owl]

There are enough of those in the place called The Underground Layer

Crafting recipe exists

[cold cosmos]

Calling someone a melon is one of my fav insults along with buffoon

[lavish condor]

I mean so are harpies

[ripe owl]

Use the Onyx Excavator Key

[ripe owl]

Yep exactly uh-huh absolutely

[cold cosmos]

You know something called actual sword shrines exist right? And they’re basically guaranteed on large worlds?

[lavish condor]

Having loot exclusive to each layer ensures you don't get all you need from one layer and then ignore the other

[cold cosmos]

100%

[lavish condor]

Sky has sky islands, underground has cabins

[ripe owl]

The uuuuh they year uuuh the mhh I forgot again

[cold cosmos]

Literally they’re on the fucking surface you troglodyte

[frosty trellis]

"The year is 2024
QoL mods have removed the need for town NPCs, Arena Building, Regular Enemies, and Grinding. 16 distinct difficulty options exist to be combined as desired.
All worlds are generated with chests that give everything to you, and have innumerable world-sized platforms
The game has been optimized away. Now we may relish in the infinite bliss that is uninterrupted boss rush playthroughs"

[ripe owl]

Unless your vision is 0/0

[cold cosmos]

It’s not a 1 block signal

[ripe owl]

No, 2024

[lavish condor]

There are methods to find sword shrines, but zeroing in on one opinion is fruitless

[frosty trellis]

No 2024
Someone has actually done it but is waiting on 2024 to release it for the meme

Iirc

[ripe owl]

Anyway unless your vision is 0/0 you will be able to notice it without any problems

[lavish condor]

That's hilarious

[ripe owl]

Just look hard enough and you'll find it

If you can't find it means you aren't looking for it

[frosty trellis]

It really isn't that necessary to guarentee one
When well
There is a crafting recipe for it

[ripe owl]

The dude is literally the embodiment of the 2024 copypasta

[lavish condor]

There is no suggestion in the suggestion

It's just a list of problems

[cold cosmos]

Are you telling me you don’t notice a fucking tunnel in the ground? You see a cleary not normal actual fucking tunnel and go “nope, no shrine here, better complain about it online” it’s so goddamn obvious you fucking basement-dwelling molerat

[frosty trellis]

Do I have to repost my essay from earlier on why this entire statement is just flat out false?

[ripe owl]

You don't suggest anything?

[lavish condor]

This conversation is about the suggestion not about sword shrines

[frosty trellis]

^

[ripe owl]

You just list out problems

[frosty trellis]

There is no solutions to said problems

[cold cosmos]

Oh wait i have an idea

[frosty trellis]

And you don't even give a good reason for why any of that is a problem

Or any reason at all for most of those poitns

[ripe owl]

Because they don't need one because they're personal issues of laziness

[hybrid steeple]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2954124631&searchtext=calamity

[frosty trellis]

Aint no way-

[lavish condor]

If a suggestion is made up of a suggestion and reasoning for it, this suggestion is missing the suggestion

[ripe owl]

Don't post the suggestion

[lavish condor]

What do you have in mind for a fix?

[ripe owl]

It's a fail in any way

[frosty trellis]

Address how the things in your suggestion are actual problems
And suggest changes

But as Zav said, there aren't any actual problems that are being presented so yeah it's just gonna flop because so much of what you said is just factually incorrect regardless

[cold cosmos]

Leave the planetoids alone
I think the planetoids are perfectly fine as is, since they have plenty of accessible loot with a high risk-reward ratio and there’s even sometimes an extra sword shrine! Planetoids have no major issues and if you think they suck then that’s just a genuine skill issue @ashen warren

[frosty trellis]

Okay now you're just trolling

[dense ferry]

Ok

But

[ripe owl]

Then ignore them

[dense ferry]

Why?

[frosty trellis]

Literally

[cold cosmos]

@frosty trellis Finally! I have thought this for so long

Why is the sunken one first?

[lavish condor]

If you can find a good reason for them being annoying and useless, you could put that into a suggestion

[frosty trellis]

You have not given a single reason on why any of this is actually a problem/how any of this is useful

[cold cosmos]

Who doesn’t go to space first?

[dense ferry]

I'm going to explode

[frosty trellis]

(This is the second time I've had to post this same sugg because the last time the bot died on itself when it tried to send it)

[cold cosmos]

Y’all just pretend he doesn’t exist

Best solution to the trollage

[hybrid steeple]

[cold cosmos]

Feels bad

[ripe owl]

Okay look at this
To get to planetoids you need either a lot of ropes or a Gravitation potion
To get those, you obviously would want to explore the Caverns and underground cabins
By the time you get all of the things above you'd get boots, cloud and whatever's in mind
So that already holds no use and makes no sense

Skill issue

Look harder

[frosty trellis]

Again, the chest loot IS very worthwhile

Getting an early bezoar before doing jungle exploration? Yes please
A guarenteed flipper that I can get way closer and easier than going to an ocean to help with sticky water situations, sunken sea and sulf sea exploration? Yeah that sounds really good to me

Sure it might not be the most diverse set of equipment but for it's early game purpose they gave 2 very good accessories that will hellp with progression

[ripe owl]

We ain't gonna make your game easier

[hybrid steeple]

what is this argument 💀

[frosty trellis]

Rng be rng

Also: Cloud in a bottle and hermes boots are craftable

[dense ferry]

I don't know either

[hybrid steeple]

"i never get any of the accessories but i do get 400 hearts before going to planetoids"

[cold cosmos]

No you replied to them

[ripe owl]

So true

[cosmic karma]

literally just get 70 cobweb

[dense ferry]

I'm just looking to see if I don't have to kill someone

[cold cosmos]

Literally the solution is to pretend the troll does not exist

[ripe owl]

This mf..............

[frosty trellis]

Okay? What does that have to do with literally anything?

[hybrid steeple]

true

[cold cosmos]

NO STOP YOU’RE ONLY MAKING HIM MORE POWERFUL

[frosty trellis]

Again

What does that have to do with literally anything?

[hybrid steeple]

new type of guy unlocked

[swift wharf]

fixing problems that don't exist questionmark

[frosty trellis]

LITERALLY

[lofty blade]

I need your help, how to play the calamity in the tmodloader 1.4.3, if Steam updates it to 1.4.4

[cold cosmos]

No. Stop replying to him. It’ll only make him more determined to troll

[ripe owl]

It's not 1.4.4 yet

[cosmic karma]

they are asking how to get tmod 1.4.3

[cold cosmos]

I think there’s also a downgrade option

[ripe owl]

Also wrong channel, #help-advice-read-pins

[ripe owl]

No they don't?

[lavish condor]

#help-advice-read-pins, people are more likely to help there. This channel is for discussing suggestions that are posted in the related channel

[cosmic karma]

mistyped

1.4.3

but yeah wrong channel

[shut pollen]

the fuck are you doing here plix

[ripe owl]

Imagine for your whole life playing on an unstable beta of the game

[cosmic karma]

??

hi

[ripe owl]

That uh

A bit disturbing

[cold cosmos]

Like your life is just a buggy unstable beta release?

[ripe owl]

You do understand you ain't making it better?

[ripe owl]

No I meant playing tML preview

That's like

Ew

Do you even listen to the news?

[cold cosmos]

Oh. That’s just mod developers

[ripe owl]

Well I mean, that's a different story

[cold cosmos]

Could you imagine if you had to actually live in a beta release of the world?

[ripe owl]

Cringe

[swift wharf]

suggestions discussion

[ripe owl]

Anyway suggestions

[cold cosmos]

You go to sit down for breakfast and clip through your floor

[swift wharf]

purgatory

[lavish condor]

(Probably move to #general-talk ?)

[cold cosmos]

Right, sorry, suggestions

Uh

Definitely do switch the labs

Space is literally always the first one visited

[ripe owl]

It's literally here, just above you, why go anywhere else

[cold cosmos]

Exactly!

[cobalt pewter]

the location thing with labs don't make too much sense when the trackers exist

this is basically just justifying herb bags in space lab (which should not exist in the first place but oh well)

[drowsy plank]

i like space herb bags

do we really need to make getting potions harder

[cobalt pewter]

personally I'd rather focus on making the trackers more obvious

[undone holly]

I'd say its good because honestly I've had the issue of the sunken sea lab not spawning a lot

and IK its a bug

but still if it happens

its annoying to have that be the first one

[drowsy plank]

it will be addressed next update

[cobalt pewter]

no but space lab herb bags are band aid

I know it ain't changing anytime because they won't fuckin bother with improving herbs, but I still don't like it because it's a bandaid

at that point I'd personally just cheat sheet herb bags in

[drowsy plank]

yes a necessary evil but yeah cal isn't overhauling potions or herbs anytime soon, and id honestly rather that than more dependency on blood orbs

i like it because it means i DONT have to have cheat sheet enabled + if i dont find enough in surface chests it's nbd because im guarnteed at least one seed for each

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah

I find this suggestion odd because apparently you're supposed to go up first

[cold cosmos]

Yeah but for some reason the sunken schematic is still the first one

[cobalt pewter]

while I don't mind what the devs think of which is first, the justification here is weak here

[cold cosmos]

Which I just don’t get

Who goes to the sunken sea before space?

[cobalt pewter]

just focus on making the trackers available earlier in some way

right now the sunken sea tracker needs water bucket, no?

which is confusing

[cold cosmos]

Just make the space one the earliest one and then no more issues

[cobalt pewter]

it's an imposed progression by the playerbase because grav pot exists

it's basically the moons case

moons and eol actually

they're available post plant but you're intended to fight them post golem

[hybrid steeple]

rope:

[cobalt pewter]

rope is superior being, so I give it a pass

(I just don't like grav pot)

[cold cosmos]

Why tho?

[crude geode]

Couldn’t we just add more herb bags into various chests? Like I know the surface vanilla chests have them but there’s usually like. two of them per world compared to the hundred gold cabins chests.

[small timber]

@frosty trellis I think it will be better to like, ping a dev to manually post it in the dev server for you if it do get enough votes last timel

(Which is actually ok IMO since many devs are testers now who frequently are in suggestion channel)

Because what is the point of reposting a suggestion that got enough votes just didnt get sent due to a bug, instead of just straight up send the suggestion to the devs

[wide river]

That sounds reasonable
I'm just wondering if that would be ok or not

[frosty trellis]

I
Did
Lol
I pinged Nycro and Done actually ended up responding to that about the situation but I didn't get to hear much beyond that

OKAY YEAH FAIR

THAT IS GREAT

[swift wharf]

whay

what

[frosty trellis]

I would expand on the reasoning

But like

Yes that would be a great suggestion

[swift wharf]

isnt auric rejection caused by

auric ore

[small timber]

But have you ask them what was the followup on it? Because they might had just, forgot to get back to you on the result of the post

[frosty trellis]

Yes

[swift wharf]

just

dont touch it

or wear auric armor

[frosty trellis]

Auric Tesla armor makes you immune to auric rejection

And shadowspec bars
Are made
From auric bars

So yeah it makes literally no sense

[dense ferry]

Demonshade won't even have Auric Bars afaik

[swift wharf]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

For it to not be immune to auric rejection

[dense ferry]

This is fair tho yeah

[swift wharf]

• dev tier

[dense ferry]

But yeah Dev Tier

[swift wharf]

miracle matter isnt exo related but it's made with exo prisms

it's such weak reasoning

[wide river]

No, I don't think so
Suggestions regarding dev-tier stuff is discouraged

[frosty trellis]

They're might've been something? I thought I might've seen something about it but I can't remember

I think that's a dont unless you get permission from the dev that the item is dedicated too iirc

[wide river]

Oh, here we go

If that item is dedicated to a developer that isn't around anymore (i.e. most Shadowspec weapons), then permission isn't required and you can simply post the suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Like, I remember an S-community thing being allowed to go through to voting bc oz gave the okay

[swift wharf]

i swear to god this is stupid

[swift wharf]

by the time you get demonshade you already mined a ton of auric ore

and literally
just swap to auric armor

[cold cosmos]

Also who actually uses demonshade?

[frosty trellis]

(Dunno who this is ngl)

[swift wharf]

who uses demonshade to MINE

[wide river]

Considering I've never heard of this person I'd think it's fine to suggest changes to it

[swift wharf]

it's your fault to using the glass cannon set to mine

[frosty trellis]

I use demonshade
It's fucking wild even if you ignore the enrage
It's stats are just insane

[swift wharf]

instead of using the set MEANT to be used for auric mining

[cold cosmos]

Is it just me that think’s it’s really clunky and awkward?

[swift wharf]

so does summons

[frosty trellis]

Yes

[swift wharf]

• everything fucking implodes at that point

[cold cosmos]

True

[wide river]

Everyone except Stealth Rogue, but I think that Stealth Rogue can use Eclipse Mirror to gain Stealth (unless I was misinformed)

[swift wharf]

???????????????

you don't need to be a summoner to mine

god

[frosty trellis]

You can but it's way more worth to have auric because you have way more max stealth for the mutliplier

[cold cosmos]

Passafam have a take that isn’t dogshit challenge: impossible

[swift wharf]

oh no a micro incovenience

[cold cosmos]

I just find auric more usable in general

[swift wharf]

!!!

literally just equip auric armor

[wide river]

My current focus is how you don't seem to be taking any of our points into mind

[swift wharf]

"it makes sense because it's made with auric bars"

[cold cosmos]

I’ve always thought demonshade and gemtech were just strange and gimmicky

[swift wharf]

yeah no i'm exclaiming it

[wide river]

And also "it makes sense" isn't good reasoning

[cold cosmos]

Please do

[swift wharf]

extremely weak reasoning

[wide river]

The entire reasoning is literally just "it would make sense"

[cold cosmos]

For the second suggestion today

Most people

[swift wharf]

loadouts:

[small timber]

But what if

[cold cosmos]

Don’t post it

[swift wharf]

what if you equiped auric armor BEFORE mining

is that hard

[small timber]

Just make everything crafted with auric bar give you auric immunity

So we can make celestial tracer useful

Surely

[frosty trellis]

Tbh I don't really see that

Demonshade is a great armor overall. It definitely is extremely usable and is generally more useful at that tier because you can easily multiclass with it and just slap something like Endogenesis on because you have the minion slots

And allows for all classes to use Profaned Soul Crystal

[cold cosmos]

Or what if: and just here me out here: what if you just didn’t walk on the ore? Crazy idea I know

[wide river]

Gem Tech is fine to be gimmicky because it's a donor set, but I think Demonshade could do with a bit of a change

[small timber]

Especially now that auric kind of no longer have 2 revive

[swift wharf]

my god

then that's a you problem

[cold cosmos]

Yeah demonshade always felt kinda shoehorned in

[frosty trellis]

Xpc I have enough aneurysms of people joking around about buffing good items because they "aren't good"

I don't need you to give me them as well

[crude geode]

Insert the sugg about removing auric rejection

[swift wharf]

unironically true

[cold cosmos]

Aint nobody multiclassing post-scal

[wide river]

At least that one was valid

This one just isn't

[shut pollen]

holy shit tracer have immunity sounds so based

[swift wharf]

auric rejection is epic sunk cost fallacy but lore or smth

[crude geode]

It really is

[swift wharf]

We already pointed out the flaws with it multiple times

[wide river]

Because you give absolutely no reasoning beyond "it makes sense" and refuse to change it

[frosty trellis]

(C.tracers are more than fine as is, they just need their iframes gone so bad)

[dense ferry]

Auric Rejection pogs you are just all bad iirc

[small timber]

What do you mean joke around buffing good item, reaver tank should be buffed because look 99% of the playerbase think it is shit

Surely it means it is garbage

[swift wharf]

by finding some reasoning that isnt "it makes sense"

[shut pollen]

i cant read this language 😭 😭😭😭

what are you saying lmao

[swift wharf]

plus 1.4.4 will have loadouts, which will let you to change into different sets of armor easily

[wide river]

Translation: Auric Rejection is good, people just have skill issues

[swift wharf]

so there's not really a point for the sugg

when the annoying mechanic is implemented because of lore ! !

[shut pollen]

auric rejection makes nearly no sense except for "oh this ore is powerful lets show that"

[errant bobcat]

Yea auric rejection is a really cool mechanic, but I had no idea it existed before the sugg to remove it came, just because that’s how easy it is to avoid, just simply don’t touch the ore

[crude geode]

Let dog eat blocks pls pls pls

[dense ferry]

Or idk to make mining take two neurons at the literal edge of endgame?

[swift wharf]

SO TRUE

[wide river]

I'm now impartial on the Auric Rejection thingy
I see both sides of the argument, and don't bother siding with either side of it

[shut pollen]

you dont stand near ore when mining it??

[swift wharf]

the problem is the endgame not the mining

[dense ferry]

Anyways I won't repeat this argument, even less when I'm almost dying of sleep

[swift wharf]

because you still kill boss mine ore repeat

[errant bobcat]

I just was mining normally, what person is shoving their toes into the ore while mining

[shut pollen]

bro what

[swift wharf]

and making an ore damage you isnt exactly "engaging"

[wide river]

I would prefer if this argument didn't get repeated again as well

[small timber]

Blossom pickaxe have +5 range for a reason

[swift wharf]

byeah

[shut pollen]

youre moving towards the ore

[cobalt pewter]

honestly auric rejection should just be disabled on the equivalent of endgame (like killing both scal and exos atm)

[cold cosmos]

Nah it’s really not that big of a deal

[swift wharf]

but that is the standard now ig

byeah

[crude geode]

Repeating arguments is this chat’s favorite pastime

[cobalt pewter]

auric ore should trigger teleportation pot effect

[frosty trellis]

(I love that feature so much for dungeon carving bc I don't like archives as my arena)

[cobalt pewter]

[cold cosmos]

True

[swift wharf]

auric ore will teleport you into shrines

[tired haven]

I hate how much I love that idea

[wide river]

At a low percent chance

[crude geode]

that and having an insane amount of vitriol for very little purpose

[cold cosmos]

Auric ore sends you to the backrooms

[frosty trellis]

Then go suggest it in dev

[swift wharf]

At a low percent chance yes

[tired haven]

Not lore accurate

[frosty trellis]

Frick

[small timber]

Make auric generate into the world on world generation for legendary mode but only mineable post-yharon

Everyone will love that idea

[swift wharf]

[cold cosmos]

Nah it sends you to the DoG’s home dimension

[cobalt pewter]

make it a gfb change for auric ore

[frosty trellis]

OMG YES

[wide river]

Auric Ore replaces Stone Blocks in GFB

[frosty trellis]

THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS

[cold cosmos]

Where all the future bosses are

[dense ferry]

Don't make it mineable only after Yharon

[cold cosmos]

Fuck yeah where do i sign

[dense ferry]

Make it mineable at all times

[tired haven]

replace all crispy honey blocks with auric ore
a devious lick

[dense ferry]

It's going to be even more fucked

[crude geode]

True

[cobalt pewter]

SO TRUE

[cold cosmos]

Longer argument =/= expanded

You literally just said the same thing but with more words

The message was expanded. The reasoning was not.

[cobalt pewter]

in gfb, auric ore replaces crispy honey blocks and triggers teleportation pot effect when touched

[small timber]

Legendary seed also spawn random shimmer puddle at i creased rate and make both shimmer and auric rejection immunity not work

[tired haven]

Nah, it still kills you to death. This is gfb, not remix

[small timber]

While bosses can randomly spawn at night similar to old death mode changes and only spawn a message 5 seconds before the boss spawn

And also bosses you already killed can spawn

[cold cosmos]

Expanding an argument is supplying a better reason why it should be implemented. You did not expand your argument. You padded it so it looks more official

You changed your argument from “it makes sense” to “why doesn’t it make as much sense as it should”

No, just delete it

Dogshit take

[shut pollen]

man yall just hate this guy

[cold cosmos]

Yes

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure the only reason that Shadowspec uses Auric Bars right now is because it's supposed to be crafted with materials from the final few bosses, being Yharon, Exo Mechs, and Supreme Calamitas
I don't remember if this was confirmed or not, but Demonshade won't be moving with Shadowspec when that eventually happens, so I could infer that it'll be made from a different material
Kinda future-planny, but I guess it works as a counterpoint

[cold cosmos]

Yes I do

[small timber]

Is it confirmed if demonshade once rework only use ashes of annihilation?

Or it still use auric bar

[drowsy plank]

didnt i suggest once for yharim's gift to give you auric immunity or something

there was SOME accessory i thought that could work on

[wide river]

That seems to be a reasonable assumption, but not much was told aside from just "It won't be made with Shadowspec" or whatever

[cold cosmos]

@ashen warren if you can provide a single actual reason why demonshade should be given auric immunity besides “it makes sense” or “i don’t like mining” I will accept your argument

But so far you have failed to do that

[swift wharf]

that would actually be good because yharim's gift is

an accessory

[shut pollen]

it makes sense is a good argument lol

[drowsy plank]

if it cant be movement maybe it can at least have some other usage

[small timber]

Gem tech is already no auric bar so I guess it is a reference maybe

[cold cosmos]

That’s just “it makes sense” dumbass

[drowsy plank]

dev item, recipe is not finalized, it will not have auric soon

[wide river]

It's a bad suggestion practice

[shut pollen]

logically is a strong base for an arguement

[cold cosmos]

Something original maybe

[small timber]

Pretty sure it will not use shadowspec once reworked because it will be a post-Scal armor

[glass arch]

i mean auric rejection isnt even that hard to get around

[wide river]

You can say that it would make sense for something to happen, but basing the entire suggestion upon that is not good

[wide river]

Yeah, definitely

[swift wharf]

or

you could

like

use auric armor

[drowsy plank]

that's dumb
i like the yharim's gift idea more

[glass arch]

yeah the yharims gift idea is better

[drowsy plank]

it's kinda like meteorite or hellstone and obsidian shield

[wide river]

Adding a feature to remove it later is
Interesting

[cold cosmos]

Still not great but better

Idk i think it should just stay

[swift wharf]

^^^^^^^^

[glass arch]

especially when you know its gonna be removed

[cold cosmos]

It really isn’t that big of an issue

But why

[swift wharf]

yikes

[cold cosmos]

Why should it do that

Give me one good reason

Just one.

That’s all i need

[swift wharf]

@ rebecca exo weapons are exo mechs related again

[shut pollen]

i mean tracers seems like the perfect place to add the immunity to honestly

[cold cosmos]

Why

[glass arch]

tracers or yharims gift

[wide river]

Considering Celestial Tracers are broken as is, adding that would not help

[drowsy plank]

ahahaha yes tracers must do even MORE

[cold cosmos]

Literally nobody gives a reason

[drowsy plank]

god please no

[wide river]

The iframes need to die before anything else is added

[swift wharf]

buff tracers lmao

[cold cosmos]

And absolutely not they already do everything

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

(Literally only bc of the iframes LOL)

[glass arch]

i would go more for yharims gift because it is horribly not unique in the slightest

[drowsy plank]

just put it on yharim's gift it literally has yharim's name it in it makes infinitely more sense

[cold cosmos]

Gift just needs a rework

[shut pollen]

made with auric, tracers are an accessory which gives debuffs to a lot of things you encounter (think the entire line to terraspark) on the ground

[frosty trellis]

THAT WOULD WORK

[crude geode]

500 items do it’s not special

[wide river]

Wow, it's a class emblem with movement speed and defense! So unique

[drowsy plank]

jfc ill just type it up

[cold cosmos]

But it’s the one in the argument right now

[frosty trellis]

30 defense

[glass arch]

it would work to make yharims gift less of a last minute "eh what the fuck why not" equip

[wide river]

Thank you Cog 🙏

[small timber]

Tracer give immunity only if you touch the auric ore with your feet while armor give immunity to all but touch with your feet

[cold cosmos]

If anything it would make it more of that

[crude geode]

Fair

[cold cosmos]

Oh i hate that

Wow i hate that so much

[shut pollen]

most banger

[frosty trellis]

LMAO

That's hilarious

[crude geode]

Man xpc is on his shit today

[swift wharf]

givet his man dev

[glass arch]

ebic suggestion

[wide river]

So true

[crude geode]

Fabsol hire this man

[wide river]

Xpc for dev when

[glass arch]

@ fab dev this man NOW

[swift wharf]

maliciously giving xpc dev role and running away

[cold cosmos]

I got it

Split tracers into 2 items and make each one give immunity to one foot

Same for speed

[swift wharf]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

[wide river]

Celestial Shoe

[crude geode]

Thorium’s shoes be like

[swift wharf]

i JUST GOT REMINDED

[glass arch]

make 30 different armor slots for each part of armor

[wide river]

Arm slot

[cold cosmos]

So if you’re only wearing one tracer your right steps will be really fast and your left ones normal speed

[glass arch]

we making this shit REALISTIC

[swift wharf]

of a discussion about making some really strong accessories require two slots to work

would be goofy as fuck

[wide river]

I like that idea
It seems like it'd be a nightmare to code though

[cold cosmos]

Make the entire inventory armor slots

[crude geode]

emblems emblems emblems-

[swift wharf]

if you wear just one you trip when you try to walk

SO TRUE

[crude geode]

Fuck emblems all my homies hate emblems

[glass arch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2567018576&searchtext=fargos+equippable+inventories im sorry did you mean

[cold cosmos]

Helmet, chestplate, left glove, right glove, pants, left shoe, right shoe, outer plating, etc

[cold cosmos]

No no. Required slots

[wide river]

Fargo's when he made the most broken mods known to mankind
Loot Bonus:
Dirt Craft::

[cold cosmos]

Every slot needs to be equipped for the set bonus to work

Bad

Still absolute trash

At least I admit it

[glass arch]

its not a great sugg to be honest

tracers are already horribly broken (mainly due to iframes) so before anything else the iframes need to die

[cold cosmos]

Pass all your suggs are just “i don’t like this change it”

[drowsy plank]

yeah because it's just flat better lmao

[glass arch]

thats

[cold cosmos]

But it’s still not good though

[glass arch]

thats like the main reason any suggestion is made

[cold cosmos]

Why does it need it in the first place?

[swift wharf]

what

[glass arch]

yeah it gives an iframe cap but 2.5 seconds of iframes is still a bit broken dont you think

[drowsy plank]

it's a bit lacking on the reasoning side beyond "tracers have auric bars in them"

[cold cosmos]

Both of these suggs are not good

[glass arch]

give your reasoning why

[drowsy plank]

idk i think it's fine but

[swift wharf]

I mean having an accessory specifically made for unrejecting your aurics would be nice

[drowsy plank]

yeah

again not flag worthy but

eh

[swift wharf]

unlike tracers that would just get another buff

that is the point

[glass arch]

its basically debuff immunity squared

[swift wharf]

yes

[drowsy plank]

are you fucking kidding me bro

[swift wharf]

the point is using that slot

[wide river]

One of the two suggestions should go
And which makes more sense to make the Ore think you're worthy: A gift from the one chosen by Yharon, or a pair of boots

[drowsy plank]

would you rather wear full auric 24/7

💥

[swift wharf]

cog this is the level of density we're trying to get through

[drowsy plank]

we just did this convo

[glass arch]

to not get auric rejected

[swift wharf]

[glass arch]

like you're paying for the auric rejection immunity with a lost slot

much like how you pay for the auric rejection immunity on auric armor with not being able to use other armors

[crude geode]

I’m gonna say it

Accessory slots don’t matter that much

[swift wharf]

specially for

for mining an ore

[cold cosmos]

Alright. Neither of them have particularly good reasoning besides “something should do this” and even if they did it’s so unnecessary. In regards to specifics: Gift needs a full rework, not just a stapled on mechanic. Tracers both don’t need it and it wouldn’t make sense to give it to tracers when their armor set already has it tacked on

[cold cosmos]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

gift does need a rework but good fucking luck convincing anyone to vote for that

yeah im not asking you pal

ive seen plenty of other people who have asked for this

this is for them

[crude geode]

I have single-handedly devalued rework suggs

[cold cosmos]

Am I seriously the only one who uses Auric?

[glass arch]

good fucking luck convincing any dev to actually rework it

[drowsy plank]

it's not about only using auric

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

so true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[swift wharf]

yharim gift can be reworked

😈

[cold cosmos]

Can and should

[swift wharf]

i'm mentalizing it i'm cooking

yharon will be a fire and lightning boss

[cold cosmos]

As is gift is so garbage

[swift wharf]

😈😈😈

so much potential so much potential

the time is not this one the time is not this one

[drowsy plank]

gift is actually pretty strong
it's just boring as fuck

[glass arch]

like yes it can be reworked it should be reworked but good luck getting a devs mind off the mess that is porting

[cold cosmos]

Ok I have the answer

[swift wharf]

HOLY SHIT THE IMMUNITY WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE

let me cook

[drowsy plank]

cooking

[swift wharf]

it's a lightning fire dragon

[cold cosmos]

Remove it until Yharim is added and then add it back as a reworked drom from him

[swift wharf]

auric is electric

[crude geode]

Half the accessories in this game tbh tbh tbh

[cold cosmos]

Problem solved

[swift wharf]

electric thing cancels electric ore

😈

[cold cosmos]

No dev porting stress and no more yharims gift

[wide river]

~~Make the Transformer give immunity to Auric Rejection ~~

[swift wharf]

the monkey paw curls and folly's acc will now make you immune to auric rejection

same mindset

[crude geode]

This mfer thinks things will be added into the game (besides bad dono weapons)

[cold cosmos]

Fair

[swift wharf]

auric dragon lightning cancels auric ore lightning

[cold cosmos]

But then if yharim isn’t added

No more gift! It’s a win-win!

[crude geode]

Anyways can we get an exclaim on pass’ sugg since it’s a worse version of cogni’s

[wide river]

Considering we do not need to give Celestial Tracers more effects, I would say so
But eh, moderator discretion

[drowsy plank]

[grim tusk]

Yes a rework for gift is planned to be done eventually

We kinda have an iffy concept but with porting hell it aint happening

[north oracle]

Gift rework

Make it a movement based accessory

[grim tusk]

Thats the plan, but the how is the tricky part

[north oracle]

Just double the movement speed of the player, no way that could go wrong

[grim tusk]

[north oracle]

Byeah, it would suck for it to go from “damage stat stick” to “movement stat stick”

[grim tusk]

Changes to it will happen to not be a stat stick
Whether you are ready or not

[halcyon zealot]

Short length but low cd dash

[cold cosmos]

Burden breaker 2.0

[frosty trellis]

Oh no
Not more sothr shenanigans

[halcyon zealot]

[grim tusk]

That is already filled by Godslayer armor

Honestly the nerf to 45 now that I look at it was kinda overkill

40 should have been enough

[north oracle]

god slayer is long cd long dash

they're saying short dash short cd

[wide river]

That behavior sounds familiar somehow
Maybe it's because a few games have a "quick move", as it were

[grim tusk]

So something like Blunder booster or smth?

[wide river]

I think so, from what I'm getting

I do wonder if Blunder Booster should get nerfed, on that topic
The 1 second cooldown apparently isn't enough to just keep using it, as Stealth regens fast enough by that point that the 25% used is just regenned immediately
I guess it's balanced by not being able to use full Stealth Strikes, but something about the current behavior seems a little... interesting, I guess

[frosty trellis]

I mean
The thing is
There is nothing stopping you from using it + any summon weapon with it

Since the penalty barely exists

[north oracle]

@ashen warren please see the suggestions above for how yours should be formatted and provide at least a bit of reasoning for this

ah

never mind

[frosty trellis]

Also it's literally impossible for now bc tMod doesn't support it

[north oracle]

suggestion don't

[ashen warren]

oh

ah i see

quite nice

[swift wharf]

fair-ish suggestion but

theres no butts actually

[small timber]

@ashen warren this is the 1 time I think an unnecessarily lengthy tooltip like this make sense

because the tooltip directly give hint on how you obtain the item

playing with fancy words like "sky-fairing" and "atmospheric" might cause the player to be difficult for some player to understand what they mean and unable to find where to get the item while "creature of sky, light and storm" give a very direct hint

[swift wharf]

The essence of sky creatures would work just as well

because it drops from sky creatures

(fuck golem)

[cobalt pewter]

what is golem

[swift wharf]

who did this

[small timber]

"it is powered by sunstone"

[swift wharf]

strange drop strange drop

[small timber]

"it is a solar battery surely it is the equivalent of essence of sunlight"

[fervent orbit]

wat if, hear me out.

sunstone is made of essense of sunlight

but

SURELY

[hybrid steeple]

golem when it

[fervent orbit]

it cant be that

[fervent orbit]

A NEW PFP

[swift wharf]

not that new

[hybrid steeple]

its not a new pfp i just lost my nitro

[small timber]

"it is basically just wulfrum battery + essence of sunlight science is really easy really"

[fervent orbit]

L

[distant gyro]

i cleaned that one up i think

[swift wharf]

thank you i

[distant gyro]

it's like 50% for 1 on everything now except the big shits which drop like 8 or so

i forgot

[fervent orbit]

"we dunno where this battery stuff come from some guy just calls himself john wulfrum gives us a delivery" -the lihzahrdians

[distant gyro]

the messiest drop pool ever

[swift wharf]

no i mean

golem

[distant gyro]

oh idk golem dropped it

[swift wharf]

[fervent orbit]

just make a new sunlight based boss clearly

[swift wharf]

like it does make sense

🤏

but why

🤏 sense but why

[fervent orbit]

just make a new mech alt

[distant gyro]

mmm

[fervent orbit]

clearly theres not enough bloat

[swift wharf]

clearly golem needs more drops

[distant gyro]

there's 2 of each creatures that drop a mass amount of essence anyway

eleum is cryogen and ice golem

[fervent orbit]

cloud elemental?

[distant gyro]

havoc is brimstone and i think calclone i forgot

[swift wharf]

something something fuel cells are made with essence of sunlight

[distant gyro]

sunlight is wyvern and cloud elem

fuck golem

[swift wharf]

ya

you could prob like

rework red devils to make them drop more essence of havoc

but eh

[distant gyro]

red devils drop as much as everyone else because they're like

everywhere

eleum is the only rigged essence because

the snow biome drop pool is not filled with snow biome enemies

it has blue slimes and zombies

which is awesome (not)

[fervent orbit]

shrimply rework snow

[swift wharf]

what I mean is

this would need more reworks but it's jusr an idea

have all essences have a boss and a miniboss tied to them

or close enough

[fervent orbit]

essence of sunlight:

[swift wharf]

like brimmy and red devils(reworked)
cryo and ice golem
cloud and wyvern

[distant gyro]

• frost legion enemies: 20% for 1
• havoc/sunlight common drops: 50% for 1
• eleum common drops: 100% for 1
• uncommon drops (2 for each essence): 100% for 8-10/10-12

[fervent orbit]

just make every elemental a bossss frfr

[cobalt pewter]

what is frost legion

never heard of it

[swift wharf]

frost legion works too

[fervent orbit]

!wiki tgc:frost legion

[red storm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Frost_Legion

[cobalt pewter]

[distant gyro]

well like

[swift wharf]

if you don't remove the other drops that is

[distant gyro]

crag will probably have a big enemy when it gets reworked in 2029

[swift wharf]

oh yeah that's true

[distant gyro]

and that takes place of calclone

but for now calclone is the second big enemy

[fervent orbit]

just make one on tier boss drop alot and one off tier boss drop alot more

clearly the solution

[drowsy plank]

[ripe owl]

Bro just leave Rav as the only boss who drops essences and cores

[bright crag]

Sky-faring creatures sounds cool

[ashen warren]

i think that 'sky-faring' is good enough a hint. if they have the brains to download tmodloader and get calamity working properly and get this far into the game, they know what sky-faring means

and it's not like calamity is completely exempt from 'fancy' words either

[ashen warren]

but if push comes to shove this works too

[ashen warren]

true b like, essences are from biomes like souls (except from mech souls) are from biomes

just making all three of them drop from one dude makes it bloat rather than giving it what little identity it has

imagine if they removed the biome aspect and only plantera dropped souls of light and night

[ornate slate]

no they mean only boss in addition to the biome enemies

[ashen warren]

ohh yeah i see

ignore what i said

[ashen warren]

100% agree

[ornate slate]

i feel like if ravager gets a design change it should have essences and cores incorporated into its design somehow that would be cool

[ashen warren]

yeah ravager is just golem but jumps higher with some rock pillars

that's literally it

hope it gets a rework soon 🙏

[swift wharf]

ravager is strange

well

geodes are strange

[ashen warren]

damn that iban rework would've went hard

unfortunate 😔

[hybrid steeple]

iban rav was the worst loss of the 22 incident

[ashen warren]

dog was bad

sw was bad

everything was bad

byeah rav really lacking rn

[blazing kettle]

iban rav was too ambitous anyways

[hybrid steeple]

i think the devs can come up with something as good as iban dog and sw

iban rav was perfect

i just hope whatever theyre cooking for the ravager rework is somewhere in the range of as good while still being actually doable

[swift wharf]

iban ravager would've needed procedural animation or smth to work

ong

[hybrid steeple]

yeah i think thats what iban planned for it

[swift wharf]

i mean

i see no feasible way to do it with just spriting

unless you want 2 thousand frames

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[swift wharf]

please no more ares spritesheet

[hybrid steeple]

that design wouldve shot ravager up to one of my favorite bosses instead of the. dead last place it is rn

[swift wharf]

I mean

It would probably be the most well made terraria boss

[hybrid steeple]

YEAH

like.

this is such a sick boss design

[swift wharf]

words cannot express how dynamic it would be

i hope you know that you're in the top 1% of sprite i don't know the cryogen gif copypasta

[hybrid steeple]

something somehting rarely get to see this level of mastery

[swift wharf]

sp treu

if I had a nickel for everytime I saw a boss enemy that had an exposed ribcage, multiple limbs, flame on its head and a grotesque design I would have 2 nickels which is not al ot but

[cobalt pewter]

honestly

iban's boss works feels a bit too ambitious for cal