suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

and evil 1 is

pre skeleton

[gaunt tiger]

nah

evil 2 is

evil 2 = QB

[fervent orbit]

cough cough

[gaunt tiger]

Dclop = Skeletron

[gaunt tiger]

that's not the items' faults

[novel belfry]

Reduce Revengeance+ Deerclops' health
It's health is literally TWICE of MASTER MODE. Y'know... the difficulty mode whose only change is cranking up the stats of enemies to obnoxiously stupid levels. So why does Deerclops get a health boost this massive?

[fervent orbit]

blame vanilla

deerclops hasnt been changed by calamity AT ALL

[novel belfry]

this is Deathmode, man

[swift wharf]

umm

death doesnt increase health

[fervent orbit]

also death doesnt increase hp

[swift wharf]

did you change the boss health config or smth

[novel belfry]

no

[gaunt tiger]

I feel like I'm wasting breath (or like keyboard durability) every time I talk about bosses in here since I don't plan to turn off infernum
I should stop acting like I have a horse in the race lol

[novel belfry]

his health is literally 21420

[swift wharf]

i mean having "but infernum" as an argument doesnt help

[gaunt tiger]

it's a valid point of comparison

a lot of the time

[fervent orbit]

i mean

thats still not even double

[swift wharf]

something is very wrong then because that is indeed twice as much

almost

10k off but stil

[gaunt tiger]

like that one time when the 1.4 port released

master rev was fucking awful

[swift wharf]

somethign is very wrong

[fervent orbit]

80%

[gaunt tiger]

submit a bug report

[fervent orbit]

thats an 80% increase

[novel belfry]

That's like rev WoF's health

[swift wharf]

mod conflict moment question mark

[gaunt tiger]

hey do you think deus could move to PML

[fervent orbit]

huh

[swift wharf]

why

[fervent orbit]

oh wait

post ml

why

[gaunt tiger]

^

[swift wharf]

ik it's post ml where else would it be

[fervent orbit]

its pre ml

[swift wharf]

[gaunt tiger]

that's what I'M asking

hardmode is so fucking messy

[swift wharf]

What I meant is

[gaunt tiger]

low point of the game is mid hardmode

there's a lot of bosses and very little world content in hardmode

[swift wharf]

The boss is pre ml, and what else would pml mean other than post ml but nayways

i mean maybe?????

ravager is becoming post provi iirc

[gaunt tiger]

move some bosses out of there, then we get 1 new boss per biome (I think?) in PML

[novel belfry]

post... provi?

[swift wharf]

unless dev plans changed

[novel belfry]

i know they want to put ravager post ml

[fervent orbit]

yes

[gaunt tiger]

ye ik

[novel belfry]

but post provi makes sense, since bloodstone

[swift wharf]

yea

[gaunt tiger]

deus could become the first boss of the tier, on tier with guardians and dragonfolly

give you a reason to go visit the biome

[swift wharf]

i feel like removing aureus would work just as well but im biased

[random talon]

remove Deus

[novel belfry]

just move the whole goddamn infection to post-ml

[gaunt tiger]

rev+ aureus is fucking awful

[random talon]

I didn't find him too awful

[fervent orbit]

JUST REMOVE ASTRAL

[swift wharf]

aureus is fucking awful

[gaunt tiger]

no no, he's got a point

[swift wharf]

aurueus should be a miniboss

even

why did jardon make only one robot

to explore the astral

make him a little guy that you find occasionally in the underground

[random talon]

bc the one robot is good?

idk

[hybrid steeple]

air draedon

[swift wharf]

clearly the robot did not work

[gaunt tiger]

add a little bit more that makes people wanna explore the world, and BOOM
pacing fixed

[random talon]

well

[novel belfry]

nah draedon likes big fucking stuff

[random talon]

it did

[fervent orbit]

probably because he couldnt find a way to stop the astral from infecting his metal

[random talon]

but then we happened

[swift wharf]

no it didnt the robot got infected

[random talon]

ok

but then we happened

[swift wharf]

true

byeah turning aureus into a miniboss would have no losses fr fr

[gaunt tiger]

and moving infection to post moon lord

[random talon]

except the music

[swift wharf]

questionable

miniboss music

bam

[random talon]

when has miniboss music ever happened in the history of modded Terraria?

[gaunt tiger]

"the dragon garden where friends are grown"™️ will help the pace too

[swift wharf]

something something inert astral biome at the start of world creation instead of after wof but xd

[fervent orbit]

[gaunt tiger]

install a music mod

[random talon]

damn

ok

[fervent orbit]

theres this little mod

[swift wharf]

infenrum has miniboss music

iirc

[fervent orbit]

idk if youve heard of it

its called

infernum

[random talon]

ok

[swift wharf]

profaned guardians also have music

[gaunt tiger]

pinpinneon is like mozart up in this bitch

[swift wharf]

I jest 🃏

[fervent orbit]

why is that called a black joker when its clearly a coloured one???

[swift wharf]

But I don't know if moving astral infection to post ML would really work

[random talon]

it wouldn't

[fervent orbit]

NOTHING WORKS WITH ASTRAL BECAUSE IT FUCKING SUCKS

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[fervent orbit]

just make astral a world sized subworld

[swift wharf]

HELL

[gaunt tiger]

there's so many small things that could be tweaked to help pacing that wouldn't require a lot of dev work to implement

[random talon]

really?

[gaunt tiger]

but again, it's never going to be high enough priority to happen

[fervent orbit]

i wish i was good enough to code something like this now

[swift wharf]

i mean astral exists in hardmode to make the game less boss rushy

(clueles

[gaunt tiger]

it literally just deletes 50% of your underground ice

[fervent orbit]

i should continue working on uelibloom deletion iirc fr fr

[gaunt tiger]

it's a useless biome

[random talon]

does it really target only the ice? XD

[gaunt tiger]

and it bROKE MY MANSION I WILL DIE MAD

[fervent orbit]

with cal luck, yes

[swift wharf]

astral is getting an underground rework which may make it better

but imho it needs to be remade from the ground up

[random talon]

I thought I was just having dumb luck

[swift wharf]

it doesnt feel infectioney

[gaunt tiger]

like how ice is always opposite jungle

it feels like unused potential

but it works as a proof of concept

it's convincing

just not finished

[swift wharf]

ya

it feels like evil 3

[hybrid steeple]

PLEASE

[gaunt tiger]

I maintain that it should be instead of some of the planetoids

[swift wharf]

we need astral spread but instead of spreading into tiles it spreads into critters and enemies

[hybrid steeple]

i know the reqorks expand past underground but

[gaunt tiger]

like a sky biome

[fervent orbit]

JUST LET ME MAKE A ROCKET AND FLY UP TO THE ASTRAL PLANET INSTEAD

[hybrid steeple]

astral deserves so much better

[swift wharf]

i remember a doc about the astral

[hybrid steeple]

evil biome syndrome

[gaunt tiger]

astral rework coming 2030

[glass arch]

i thought this said astral injection and was very confused

[gaunt tiger]

xeroc 2050

[swift wharf]

I need to consult the Archivists

[fervent orbit]

jacob the glass cannon in you is taking over your mind

[glass arch]

no my brain is just melting

[gaunt tiger]

calamity post xeroc time travel arc 2060

game finished 2121

[swift wharf]

what the fuck where is this from

WHEN is this from

[hybrid steeple]

what in the shit

[swift wharf]

2020 jesus

[gaunt tiger]

[fervent orbit]

man im so glad im not from calamity 2020

[gaunt tiger]

secrets of the sunken sea sounds promising at least

hopium

[swift wharf]

i found terry's astrum deus lore

jesus cristo this is

OLD

[gaunt tiger]

jesus in calamity? real?

[fervent orbit]

vore lore?

[swift wharf]

do not.

[random talon]

????

[hybrid steeple]

he was already real

[fervent orbit]

nearly was 3 times

[random talon]

where tf you get that from?????

[fervent orbit]

deus old lore was that he got eaten by dog and then got reanimated by astral

iirc

[random talon]

I see

[swift wharf]

[fervent orbit]

who tf is terry

[gaunt tiger]

Terry Wulfrum

the real final boss

[sleek turret]

terry n muse i believe

[random talon]

Yharim shivered hearing that name

[swift wharf]

terry n muse yes

[sleek turret]

one of the fargo mods devs

[swift wharf]

former cal dev

[distant gyro]

real astrum deus lore is in calamity boss thesis

[swift wharf]

(it's gone)

[distant gyro]

(no, don't actually look that up it's highly inappropriate)

[undone cedar]

🤨

[dense ferry]

Now you made me curious

[royal tapir]

So silly

[swift wharf]

google tells me nothing

[royal tapir]

Of course of all people it's Rebecca

[swift wharf]

caught lacking

anyways #suggestions-discussion 🏃 💨

[kindred skiff]

You guy don’t kill hive or perforators as your first boss?

[stone bloom]

I have before

Progression did not go as crazy as hoped for

[fervent orbit]

have u tried letting go of space

[small timber]

carpet effect on auric tesla is a 50/50: either you find it much better than wings' slow fall (which most of the time is actually not as useful as carpet as you can produce the same result with careful tapping with carpet) or completely hinders your movement

eg: having a carpet is much BETTER than no carpet for Scal's bullet hell dodging because it allow you to stay in place

but tldr is just don't run out of flight time with drew's wing/celestial tracer which both have absurd amount

[quiet kernel]

Also using infernum as a reasoning

Yea no

[north oracle]

besides, if you die to a blender from the carpet effect, that means you ran out of flight time and you were going to die to it anyway

[swift wharf]

exclamation jumpscare

where's nuh uh

[ashen warren]

true

[stable kiln]

can I replace nuh uh today eciipse

[swift wharf]

nuh uh

[stone bloom]

vote for my suggestion if you kiss men 👍

[unreal saffron]

And i have undone my vote

I just put that there tf

[hybrid steeple]

and it was a good suggestion too

[stone bloom]

LMAO

[dense ferry]

It's over.........

[cobalt heath]

ME OMW

done

[stone bloom]

Hehe

[stone bloom]

Its joever

[odd geyser]

Luckily I don't even know what sugg you were referring to

[stone bloom]

The based one

[odd geyser]

The scal ost one, clearly

[austere cargo]

Have Supreme Witch, Calamitas encounters throughout your play-through
Make Enchantments More Beneficial
So how crazy would it be to have the NPC Calamitas encounters offer weapon enchantments?

[hybrid steeple]

there shrimply shouldnt be npc calamitas encounters

[stone bloom]

Wouldnt make sense

I would love to find a calamitas journal or some shit tho

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[stone bloom]

Def not an interaction with the witch herself tho

[hybrid steeple]

though i think that should be post-scal

[stone bloom]

Real indirect exposition infodump thing

Thats also fair

[hybrid steeple]

as a draete equivalent

her magic notes, essentially

[stone bloom]

I was thinking atleast post moon lord

Or post calclone

[hybrid steeple]

while her foreshadowing is more through other people talking about the stuff she did

[austere cargo]

post calclone makes the most sense

[stone bloom]

Fair

[wide river]

(Re: The journal idea)
Maybe certain entries can be unlocked as the game progresses, as a parallel to the schematics

[austere cargo]

why wouldn't it make sense?

[hybrid steeple]

wouldnt fit her

she shouldnt be encountered until her boss fight

[wide river]

I suppose that's true
After all, it's not like Draedon appears randomly as you defeat bosses

[fervent orbit]

the only pre scal encounter with scal should be her clone

[odd geyser]

To keep the surprise element of her being a lil human

[hybrid steeple]

draedon still does have more of a "indirectly talking to you" presence

[austere cargo]

I suppose you could just not tell the player that NPC is calamitas

[hybrid steeple]

which fits him

[stone bloom]

Why would calamitas just give you enchantments

It doesnt make sense

[wide river]

She'd have to be like completely hidden, be it through a cloak and hood combo or something similar
Adding a separate sprite for something that is a subpar solution seems... wasteful, I guess

[austere cargo]

she already has a hood

[stone bloom]

She already has a hooded sprite no?

[wide river]

Am I really this dumb

[stone bloom]

Unless I imagined it

[hybrid steeple]

her being hooded wouldnt work either

since she's hooded in your first fight anyways

[fervent orbit]

yes

[stone bloom]

Yeah

[wide river]

Thank you for your words of encouragement

[austere cargo]

well, from the perspective of a new player, this NPC would be essentially a variant of skeleton merchant, with some extra lore

[fervent orbit]

wo-

i-

huh

[austere cargo]

(assuming the player isn't told this is really Calamitas)

[cobalt heath]

I remember a sugg like the calamitas appearance going trough way back

this has been brought up many times now

it is surely coming, cus it has been voted so many times and gone trough so many times

[austere cargo]

devs gonna do what devs gonna do. if they don't like the idea it won't happen

[hybrid steeple]

devplans.png

[cobalt heath]

no it got positive

on dev side

[austere cargo]

oh

[cobalt heath]

it is work in progress ™️

so I would not worry about it

[hybrid steeple]

like every lore dev doesnt like the idea so

[cobalt heath]

it went trough when mrrp was in charge

so

plans may change

[fervent orbit]

i mean

theres been an entire lore rewrite

[hybrid steeple]

plans very very much did change

[cobalt heath]

but is it totally up to lore team?

[fervent orbit]

considering this affects the lore

yes it is

[cobalt heath]

eh we need to wait and see

[drowsy plank]

well who tf else are they gonna get to write it

[cobalt heath]

if it's just physical appearances?

[wide river]

Me clearly

[fervent orbit]

clearly yuh or ozza

[cobalt heath]

like after kill wof she appears but doesn't say anything, she just observes

[austere cargo]

a pity. having a wandering witch NPC who offers weapon enchantments that later turns out to be a near-final boss seems neat

[hybrid steeple]

sure

[drowsy plank]

doesnt seem like calamitas

[hybrid steeple]

but it doesnt fit calamitas

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[wide river]

That sounds like something straight out of Elden Ring to me

[hybrid steeple]

i mean

[fervent orbit]

also how would that work? you get to enchant one item and she leaves? wat if u were mid grinding for a new stronger weapon

[cobalt heath]

tbh I would like yharim doing the observing once he comes out

[fervent orbit]

and now u wasted an enchant on a subpar weapon

[hybrid steeple]

scals foreshadowing will probably be something out of elden ring anyways

[cobalt heath]

rather than scal

[drowsy plank]

travelling merchant 2

[hybrid steeple]

when the malenia is

[fervent orbit]

dear god no

[cobalt heath]

the brismstone witch getting mentioned in lore texts as you go on

[wide river]

(Also enchantments are incredibly expensive so you'd either be crippling your finances or the enchantments would have to become cheaper in that moment)

[cobalt heath]

but yeah that does not fit current scal

[austere cargo]

she could have a rotating enchantment set, so that subsequent encounters with her are still meaningful

or just give only one enchantment per encounter

[cobalt heath]

yeah I gotta bash the idea scal would not do that

[fervent orbit]

i just described the problem of that

[austere cargo]

that's only an issue if there are finitely many encounters

[wide river]

Also I'm not even sure how you'd track the amount of enchantments that have been done

[fervent orbit]

then how will u make the encounters more natural and meaningfull

[drowsy plank]

every body LOVE travelling merchant :)))

[hybrid steeple]

avoid all this balance work by shrimply not implementing encounters and making better foreshadowing

[drowsy plank]

SO true!!!

[wide river]

Ture

[austere cargo]

have her show up randomly skele merchant style in places she has lore relevance to. Maybe put a lockout timer on her spawns so they're not too frequent

[drowsy plank]

this still just makes 0 sense with her character

[fervent orbit]

why would she visit those places then

[golden sonnet]

She kinda hates all the places she has lore relevance to

[hybrid steeple]

she

wouldnt do that

[golden sonnet]

Regardless, it has already been confirmed SCal won't show up, so no point theorizing on it

[wide river]

I know I for one wouldn't return to a place I hate, especially not willingly

[hybrid steeple]

i mean

no it hasnt

[cobalt pewter]

the most reasonable metric is by using per world as a condition

but like

ehhh?

[hybrid steeple]

its just that multiple devs have expressed they dont want that to be her foreshadowing

[fervent orbit]

"oh yea im just gonna go back to where i was forced to fight for an evil tyrant that indoctrinated me since i was a child at my weakest"

[hybrid steeple]

which means it probably wont

[austere cargo]

hmm, that not liking those areas thing is actually an issue

[fervent orbit]

do you see how terrible this sounds

[hybrid steeple]

the only way i could see her going back to either ilmeris or azafure is to pay respects to the dead

[austere cargo]

as far as giving out the enchantments, I was figuring it's her way of sabotaging Yharim. memory serves she's not fond of the guy

[fervent orbit]

shes not fond of u until after the fight either

[wide river]

She's not fond of Yharim, this much is true
But why would she offer to strengthen the weapons of a guy that she's never seen before

[golden sonnet]

The lore writers saying they do not want her to appear at all is literally the closest thing to confirmation you can get

[drowsy plank]

she doesn't like you either bro!!!!!!!

[golden sonnet]

Like yes plans change but it was explicitly stated

[hybrid steeple]

mhm

[hybrid steeple]

shes

also not fond of you

"reckless upstart who stole and killed their way to power" and all

[wide river]

If Scal was willing to enchant your weapons, then she wouldn't have fought you to begin with

[fervent orbit]

"hey yharim 2.0"

[austere cargo]

pre-moon lord you probably don't register as a threat

[drowsy plank]

so

why would she visit you

[austere cargo]

though as for never having seen you before, doesn't she directly address you when you beat calclone

[drowsy plank]

no???

[fervent orbit]

why would she enchant weapons in the first place

[hybrid steeple]

pre-ml you've killed wof (causing massive change to the world), the slime god, the brimstone elemental, attracted the attention of and then destroyed the mech bosses, and killed a bunch of other very powerful things

like theres literally no reason for her to meet you and enchant your weapons for you

[wide river]

I think that probably counts as being a threat

[hybrid steeple]

even if you werent a threat

why would she enchant your weapons

[fervent orbit]

the jump from pre boss to post evil 2 is kinda wild

[fervent orbit]

(lore wise)

[wide river]

"Hmmm yes this guy I've never seen before seems cool lemme enchant their weapons real quick"

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like calamitas could be a traveling merchant style NPC pre scal that spawns whenever you killed some core bosses to the lore

and just lore drop stuffs or smth

[wide river]

-Calamitas in this theoretical world

[austere cargo]

I swear she has a post-boss message when you defeat calclone

or was that removed

[cobalt pewter]

enchantments would be nasty as they are if they're available earlier

[hybrid steeple]

no?

[unreal saffron]

Oh boy we talking about this one again

[hybrid steeple]

i dont think that was ever a thing

[hybrid steeple]

we already have amidias for a lore npc, plus the

[cobalt pewter]

who really touches amidias past sunken sea

at least for more than 20 fuckin seconds before their cursor is magnetically pulled into "Help" button

[unreal saffron]

Im siding with octo here, the enchants are a bad idea, keep that post scal, as you have proven yourself worthy of her trust. I still would like the ominous encounter every once in a while, kinda like how in Undertale, if you backtracked at certain points, you would see flowey stalking you. Just a split second encounter, or maybe an ominous warning.

[austere cargo]

there wasn't a message about how you've only defeated a clone?

[drowsy plank]

but she isn't flowey
they aren't even close in personality

[wide river]

Aside from people that want to farm Duke Fishron and Old Duke, yeah. No one uses Amidias past that point

[unreal saffron]

That was the lore item, from yharims perspective

[unreal saffron]

Not making a comparison in character, just a suggestion for a feature.

[stone bloom]

The suggestion holds no grounds in lore. I dont wanna be rude and just say its impossible but unless calamitas gets a character assasination thats probably not happening

[austere cargo]

no, I'm dropping the idea

right now I'm trying to figure out if I was imagining things with that message

[hybrid steeple]

such a waste
184 stars and theres no way its getting implemented

[stone bloom]

Yeah fair i just wanted to reply to it since i missed a bit

[drowsy plank]

maybe in like 1.0 xd
or like super early
like the best comparison is the lore item like people were saying

[unreal saffron]

OR we could have a structure(s) around key places that imply she was there. Like the mechanics shed in the tundra, but for Calamitas

[wide river]

It was at 188 earlier for me
Evidently some people have revoked their votes

[austere cargo]

so there has never been a status message in orange text appearing when you beat calamitas?

[stone bloom]

I think the best we can get is just lore logs

[stone bloom]

You get calclones “most impressive”

But thats mid fight

[austere cargo]

huh. well good to know

[golden sonnet]

Scal references you killing her clone, but clone doesn't mention anything

[drowsy plank]

the closest thing i can find is just her. normal death message

even in versions as early as 1.1

[stone bloom]

Maybe the hex codes should be changed to clear that confusion up

#FFA499 methinks

[austere cargo]

it's odd that draedon's logs never mention her

[random talon]

[stone bloom]

Kinda true

[austere cargo]

oh, wait, she has one mention in the sunken sea log

archmage and dog get an entire page each though so it's a little odd she gets only one sentence

[random talon]

archmage you say

could you be referring to the legend that is...

THE TUBA ARCHMAGE

[wide river]

Nah it's clearly the 5-0-0 Wizard Monkey from BTD6

[random talon]

I see

[stone bloom]

Holy shit

[austere cargo]

also no mention of her in relation to the brimstone crag. pretty sure it's still lore that she blew it up

[stone bloom]

Her and brimmy

[hybrid steeple]

and it wasnt intentional

at least on her part

[stone bloom]

Brimmy is questionable on that part

[random talon]

that moment when you accidentally destroy an entire ecosystem

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stone bloom]

Wouldnt be the first time calamitas has done that i guess

[unreal saffron]

Just got an idea: when the profane biome is added, maybe some ruined structures built by yharim and his soldiers for battle/surveillance. Like a tower or something.

[austere cargo]

the lore used to be that calamitas blew it up and brimstone elemental was pissed because of it. now it's that brimstone elemental went crazy and calamitas tried to stop it but fighting fire with fire turns out to be a questionable idea?

[hybrid steeple]

it was the first time i think

iirc cei has indicated that ilmeris was probably near the end of the war

[stone bloom]

True. Not what i meant

Though thats good to know

[fervent orbit]

ok then

wouldnt be the last

[stone bloom]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

fish weapons and tools in terraria have always been kinda bizarre

[golden sonnet]

Either broken or useless

[drowsy plank]

so real and true

[unreal saffron]

Fr

[golden sonnet]

Like, when have you seen someone use swordfish

[blazing kettle]

useless or useless*

[fervent orbit]

reaver shark:

[blazing kettle]

1.4 tmod:

[golden sonnet]

Calamity:

[glass arch]

"due to vanilla's meddling" is a powerful line

[drowsy plank]

Sparkling Empress and Crystal Serpent

i will call it vanilla meddling bc it's the same idea as whips destroying cal summoner balance and deerclops just. existing

[wide river]

Is it actually outclassed by Dark Lance?

[drowsy plank]

Dark Lance has longer range and Cal buffs it's damage to 68 along with 2 seconds of Shadowflame + it gets a short projectile to boost its range even MORE in 1.4.4

[blazing kettle]

whats wrong with deerclops

[drowsy plank]

he exists

anyway

[wide river]

Everything apparently

[drowsy plank]

obsidian swordfish has a base damage of 70 and a crit chance of 24% and while the crit is nice, i dont think it really makes up for its miserable range especially considering it's being rivalled by a pre-Hardmode weapon

[hybrid steeple]

deerclops

[dense ferry]

I love you guys

[wide river]

Factually incorrect information
The pre-Hardmode weapon is far better
Calamity nerfs Obsidian Swordfish by quite a bit, nerfing its base damage to 45, and giving it Hellfire as a debuff

[cobalt pewter]

there it is, another unreasonable dclops hate

[drowsy plank]

OH RIGHT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[cobalt pewter]

the reason dclops is super antagonized is because Fab despises the boss for being a crossover boss

if dclops is exactly the same but not a dst boss people would rave all over it

[blazing kettle]

old ones army:

[drowsy plank]

i just think he is boring and his drops suck

[fervent orbit]

do you like untelegraphed attacks that are able to spawn ontop of you and literally requires jumping or moving backwards

[cobalt pewter]

see cal can easily fix them

[fervent orbit]

and we arent hating on cals deerclops

[cobalt pewter]

cal doesn't even have a working rev+ dclops

[fervent orbit]

because they dont have one

[wide river]

Maybe someday Deerclops will have Rev+ AI

[blazing kettle]

if deerclops drops suck, buff them??

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, all the issues that this particular community really points out about dclops can pretty easily be fixed in cal

they do this all the time

[blazing kettle]

exceot odntk buf pew-o-matic that weapon does nto deaerve to be good at all

[cobalt pewter]

literally the only reason these are never fixed is because it's a dst boss

[drowsy plank]

i mean yes that is true but i also think his drops such mechanically a bit tbh

[fervent orbit]

heres a god awful axe for attacking, an rng based shitfuck, the only meh one, and a sentry that got outclassed already

[cobalt pewter]

that I won't disagree

[blazing kettle]

tools are bad for attacking? what a revalation

pew-o-matic deserves to die

[fervent orbit]

i mean its clearly supposed to be the weapon drop for melee since one of them are guranteed along the other 3 class drops

[blazing kettle]

whats the meh one i forgor

[drowsy plank]

tbf plantera drops a tool and a melee weapon so dropping lucy isn't really a good excuse for deer to not drop something that is. yknow. also useable

[wide river]

Weather Pain

[blazing kettle]

riiight

[cobalt pewter]

and with the port around the corner, they literally dropped the rev+ dclops to the 7th circle of hell, left to rot until everything else major is done

[drowsy plank]

weather pain is cool mechanically but sucks major ass in terms of DPS rn even with its armor piercing

[swift wharf]

deerclops drops are overall cool

but not worth it

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not the biggest dclops shill (blast is)

but seeing dclops getting unreasonable hate left and right is a bit tiring

[blazing kettle]

the boss itself is pretty cool

[fervent orbit]

i literally said why its not unreasonable but ok

[cobalt pewter]

all because the only one that can do rev+ boss AI despises the boss because it's a crossover boss

[blazing kettle]

the drops could be way better though

[glass arch]

i like deerclops only because i play with doze's slug mod and it unlocks a slug

[fervent orbit]

OMG SO TRUE

[blazing kettle]

please link me that mod i NEEED it

[drowsy plank]

again i also think deer is conceptually cool even if his current fight is kind of lame atm
but considering basically everything about him rn is lame i will continue to bash him
hopefully he just. starts being good soon tho

[wide river]

I think Deerclops could be improved, for certain
That's not to say that he's bad, but he can be better

[fervent orbit]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2957129830

[cobalt pewter]

real

[blazing kettle]

tysm

[cobalt pewter]

so real

[cobalt pewter]

there are rev+ cal bosses I find worse than current expert+ dclops, but I would rather not disclose my controversial opinions (that is probably lukewarm)

[random talon]

disclose them

[cobalt pewter]

anyways yeah fishe stuff are funny

[swift wharf]

if deerclops was constant locked this never would've happened

[fervent orbit]

disclose them because id like to see whats apparently worse than untelegraphed shadow hands appearing inside ur stomach

[wide river]

How does any conversation of vanilla decisions always reach Deerclops slander

[glass arch]

because its the easiest to slander

[drowsy plank]

it's amazing how i just wanted obsidian swordfish to be moved back in progression and we manage to talk about deer again

i also forgot about cal's nerf to it

double funny

[cobalt pewter]

ban all Deerclops topic

[swift wharf]

if you move it back to prehm then the nerf is fine no?

unless it's omega nerfed

[cobalt pewter]

I like how Frost Daggerfish doesn't exist even in cal

[random talon]

lmao

[swift wharf]

nor does toxikarp and bladetongue

[stone bloom]

D do they not

[swift wharf]

actually fuck

[wide river]

Either we move Obsidian Swordfish back to pre-Hardmode, or we buff Obsidian Swordfish to be fine for its tier
However, the second option is not what the suggestion is raising

[swift wharf]

that might be the LEAST used weapon

in the mod

[cobalt pewter]

Bladetongue kinda does in vanilla (idk cal)

but Toxicarp is lo

[stone bloom]

I dont fish in cal since that defeats the purpose of mods but

[swift wharf]

huh

[random talon]

Fishing in Calamity is pretty cool

[swift wharf]

invalidating "qol" mods is morally correct

[cobalt pewter]

but I would be impressed if there are 10 people who actually know what Frost Daggerfish is before looking at wiki

[stone bloom]

I know what they are

[drowsy plank]

it's base damage was cut from 70 to 45 💀
but at least it still has 24% crit and 3 seconds of Hellfire
it'd probably be fine in pre-Hardmode as is tbh

[random talon]

I think Fishing should be made more relevant

[stone bloom]

But tbf thats because i know almost every single item before 1.4

[swift wharf]

unlike 80% of this server I actually played vanilla

[wide river]

Make Calamity absorb all QoL mods so no one needs to use them ever again
Except Alchemist NPC the potion shops need to die

[cobalt pewter]

I read the wiki as a hobby when I was in middle school

[glass arch]

i know what it is but i looked at the wiki a long time ago about it

[swift wharf]

we all did

[stone bloom]

Do people play calamity never having played terraria?

[swift wharf]

a lot of people do yes

[stone bloom]

Thats surprising

[wide river]

For some reason yes

I don't know why

[swift wharf]

cal players discovering vanilla features is the funniest shit ever

[fervent orbit]

TOO MANY

[cobalt pewter]

sometimes calamity can reach outside of the targeted audience somehow (usually through the music)

[stone bloom]

Im genuinely surprised

[stone bloom]

Thats true ive seen the music spread really far lol

[random talon]

Fun fact: I knew Frost Daggerfish existed years ago

😎

[cobalt pewter]

DAMN

[fervent orbit]

sometimes its not even vanilla features. its just connecting vanilla with modded
so many times have i seen people not know wat a giant pink bulb in the vernal pass meant

[stone bloom]

The biggest reason i remember the daggerfish is because the angler uses them

[random talon]

I was doing a fishing gear only playthrough

which isn't as cool

[cobalt pewter]

rest your poor soul

[drowsy plank]

i know daggerfish because it was really fucking annoying to keep fishing them when i wanted to get warmth potions

[fervent orbit]

i know daggerfish because theyre actually cool

[random talon]

warmth potions are great against Cryogen

[stone bloom]

I actually didnt think about warmth potions for cryogen

Huh

[swift wharf]

Frost barrier

[stone bloom]

Good to know

[fervent orbit]

frost barrier is L

[wide river]

Frost Barrier doesn't exist

Wake up

[swift wharf]

obligatory kill frost barrier

[unreal saffron]

Me with scp

[small timber]

several things to note about the suggestion@worn pike :

1. the developer that made the original wulfrum armor set bonus is no longer in the team (if I didn't get it wrong)
2. the more you give this "unique set bonus" to more armors, they stop being something unique altogether; it is perfectly fine for an armor to have a completely one-off effect
3. the armor while good in concept, really only fits very early into the progression; later on to balance it properly not only will it have to be underpowered (as you still have your summons at full power) which will make it get outdated and outclassed very quickly by other summoner armor especially in Hardmode
4. wulfrum set bonus is great for specifically pre-HM fights; as you progress especially starting Hardmode you have access to things like whips and debuff weapon which all will have to compete with this type of bonus; having any "side weapon options" completely capped by your armor makes it actually more boring

[distant gyro]

i dont think it should manfiest in a form of a gun again

[small timber]

ok sorry I misunderstood the suggestion, if you mean "add an item that have the ability of wulfrum armor-like effect" it literally is just debuff weapons, or whips at that

[distant gyro]

there are various concepts for how to make summons that are interactive and making it something familiar is personally something i want to keep as a rare case

[small timber]

and also isn't wulfrum armor effect basically is just, a ranger gun that don't decrease summoner damage penalty?

[distant gyro]

it is a gun that marks targets on hits

[worn pike]

Ok that’s fair. I just think that it’s too good of a concept to be one off. Also there are a lot of earlygame whips that I feel outclass Wulfrum by quite a bit. Honestly, I didn’t say this cause it’s a bit much to ask, but I feel like Wulfrum armor’s set bonus is good enough to be a whole subclass, so I feel like 1 weapon is fair. It’s a good alternative to whips allowing for more range, and it’s much more interactive than whips because you have to aim more. It might be a bit strong due to the higher range than whips, so that’s another reason I think it should only be one weapon. I don’t think it should be strong persay, I just think it would be nice to have a secondary weapon that can apply a tag from longer range than a whip, while not having tag damage to back it up.

[distant gyro]

you could say an offbrand of whips that is based off a gun instead

[small timber]

wulfrum is inabit of a weird spot

it is designed to basically be "super easy to get" (but not really?) which is why its power level is so low even for pre-Boss

[worn pike]

I feel like it’s more of an alternative to whips than a knockoff

[small timber]

but making it any stronger easily can make it outclass every other weapon option until like hellstone

[distant gyro]

an offbrand isn't a knockoff either but yknow

[worn pike]

Yea, so I think it could be a ranger weapon that adds a tag, that way it’s fair because it applies the tag at longer range than whips, but the trade off is that it causes the damage penalty

[distant gyro]

it's not like old rusty beacon or something which actually summoned something (although it did not do damage and half its functions did not work, and that's why it was so bad)

[bright crag]

I would rather not mix class functionality like you're suggesting (ranged weapon with tag)

It could be a slower alternative to whips, but with better range

I do think it can have one weapon
In the larger realm of active summon weapons

[dense ferry]

I had a malicious idea

[worn pike]

Yea. I don’t think Wulfrum armor as a whole is bad, it’s just that people don’t use it because there are argueably better alternatives that are also easier to get, and Wulfrum armor is quickly replaced. I don’t think the item Should be any more than a support item, not dealing high damage but being nice and helpful for newer players and veterans alike who don’t wanna get too close to the boss.

[small timber]

just add melee weapon with tag damage to balance out ranger weapon with tag damage

[swift wharf]

do mix class functionality

go crazy go stupid

we already have the remotes

burning sky

[worn pike]

Oh that’s a good idea, it’s just that my only idea to make an item like that balanced was triggering summon penalty. But that’s a much better downside

[swift wharf]

cnidrion(?) but that's epic case of fishing rod weapon

[bright crag]

Cnidarian

Which is an active summon weapon

[swift wharf]

yes

that

[dense ferry]

Idk I just thought

[swift wharf]

the fishing rod weapon

[dense ferry]

Whips are Melee weapons basically

So what if we just don't fucking care and

[glass arch]

class consistency is a myth

[swift wharf]

WWWWW rebecca win coming????

[dense ferry]

Add ranged and magic weapons instead of Whips?

[swift wharf]

yes.

[dense ferry]

That in this case would have the same functionality as Whips

[swift wharf]

class consistency is a myth

KILL it now

we have magic dagger

[dense ferry]

TRUE

[swift wharf]

vanilla ranged throwing magic weapon

VANILLA W?????

[glass arch]

ive said it before and ill say it again vanilla has 3 weapons with the same functionality with 3 different classes

[swift wharf]

Terraprisma the sword summon

"whips are melee" is not the problem it was always the solution

enlightment.

[bright crag]

(As long as you don't stretch it or make the overlap a majority, ir's fine)

[glass arch]

magic dagger throwing knife and vamp knives, same functionality (aside from the lifesteal on vamp knives) but 3 different classes because yes

[dense ferry]

We've reached Nirvana rn

[bright crag]

Making guns as active summon weapons is great

Making them the majority and inflict other class damage isn't

[dense ferry]

Whips already do that, so like

[worn pike]

The point I’m making is is that summoner is currently pretty inactive, which is what a lot of people’s gripe with the class, so adding another active summon weapon from an armor set with a really cool concept that isn’t used more than once. It adds a cool support item that people can use as an alternative to whips, while also giving more to the active side of summoner.

[dense ferry]

We could...?

Would spice things up tbh

[bright crag]

Whips don't really...?

[dense ferry]

We wouldn't be limited to just

[distant gyro]

okay but why do that when

[dense ferry]

Whippy thing

[distant gyro]

you can have a summoner weapon summoning like a navy which has a gun which does the tagging

[bright crag]

I mean
You can do much more stuff than just whippy thing

[distant gyro]

on command or w/e

[dense ferry]

True, you got a point

[swift wharf]

I thought calamity was going to add more non whip active summons already

[distant gyro]

that's the idea

[bright crag]

That's the intention, yes

Though rn there aren't concrete plans for any

[swift wharf]

i c

[bright crag]

All things considered, most plans are intentions, ideas, popular ideas or stuff we agree on

[worn pike]

But that just adds to the issue that people think summoner is just “dodge and it’ll die” and would completely murder active playstyle summoner

[bright crag]

The only real, concrete and detailed plans I'm aware of is Aerialite rework

Because it has been discussed thoroughly and established

[worn pike]

Oh like squires from AOMM or those spirit cards from MoR?

[bright crag]

Other things haven't gotten as much discussion, at least not enough for "let's make detailed, specific and permanent plans"

[swift wharf]

I mean like

the wulfrum gun and cnidarian and whatnot

and auralis ig?

there's another one that I can't remember

[glass arch]

slime puppet

[bright crag]

Slime Puppet is the new one, Bomber existed before and has the same functionality as Slime Puppet

[glass arch]

hasnt slime puppet existed since at least 1.5

[bright crag]

Wulfrum Gun and Cnidarian were the start, though the dev that made them is no longer among us

[bright crag]

Yes, it's from 1.5 iirc

Bomber is older than that

[glass arch]

yeah bombers from 1.4.3

[distant gyro]

can't exactly explain it but tactical summoning/minion interaction i guess is my personal running motif

igneous exaltation would be my personal example

you can summon the blade but you can also tactically expel it at some point in time for effectively 4x damage on an instant hit

[worn pike]

Ah ok. I get it. It’s just that I feel active summoner doesn’t have much right now. I’m aware that there are plans to add other things, but I feel like this is a good possibility for an active summon weapon

(That isn’t a whip)

[distant gyro]

the weapon still uses minion slot but more can be done with it other than letting it sit

[worn pike]

Yea

Maybe that ship but rclicking will make it shoot the gun at your cursor, maybe with a cool down or smthn, but I still feel like Wulfrum armor’s ability is too good to be relegated to a super earlygame, quickly replaced armor set. That’s why I think the gun works so well, it gives a good concept a place outside of that short window in progression, while also helping the issue of active summoner not having much, while also being an alternative to whips.

[drowsy plank]

make igneous a spear that deals summon damage

@worn pike you could probably reword this to just ask for more summon weapons that inflict summon tag that aren't just summons or whips

last prism that does summon damage

[worn pike]

Well I know that’s coming, I was just throwing an idea at the wall. I think it’s a good concept that deserves to be used outside a single armor set that is outclassed super fast and is super earlygame

[golden tulip]

wdym "not considered good"

by who

i think its good

[swift wharf]

btw wulfrum is meant to be outclassed and very early game

[wide river]

Like that person that wanted the Wulfrum Fishing Pole to be better
Except this one is a valid suggestion

[golden tulip]

just because there are better options doesnt mean wulfrum is bad

boring ass meta sheeps

[frosty trellis]

^

[worn pike]

I’m aware.

[frosty trellis]

It's still supposed to be like, day 1/2 shit

It's not supposed to be on par with better equipment that you can get after the first two days

On regular enemies or bosses

It does it's just well for the job it's good at

[golden tulip]

then why did you say wulfrum is bad

[worn pike]

I said considered, I love it

[golden tulip]

what

[swift wharf]

what

[golden tulip]

🐌

[swift wharf]

i love the delay

[golden tulip]

BITCH

[swift wharf]

the delay of nut trying to comprehend that sentence

because I had the same delay

[swift wharf]

FUCK

[golden tulip]

yea

[swift wharf]

😭

[golden tulip]

i had to reread thrice and say it out loud

[worn pike]

From what I’ve seen, most people consider it bad. I like the concept and how it plays, which is why I think it shouldn’t be an idea solely for a day 1/2 armor set

[swift wharf]

Liking something != Meaning it is good

[golden sonnet]

It's ok eclipse, I can Photoshop something for you real quick

[swift wharf]

[golden sonnet]

Nvm, don't have laptop on me

[golden tulip]

ok that makes sense

[swift wharf]

people say it bad because they're meta [idk if i can say this word]ing

[golden tulip]

saying its not good in the sugg is oddchamp tho

[golden sonnet]

Why would you be unable to say sheep

[swift wharf]

let's go with sheep

[golden tulip]

slave?

[swift wharf]

it's the better s word

[worn pike]

I said “not considered good” which is very different

[golden tulip]

oh

[swift wharf]

no

sl

[golden tulip]

meta sex ??

[worn pike]

Oh he means slu-

[swift wharf]

ya

[worn pike]

Dammit I’m slow

[golden tulip]

ok but generally when one says "not good" it implies bad

cmon

[swift wharf]

now that i think about it an item that acts as a support while triggering the penalty is just a non summon weapon

[worn pike]

I said “not generally considered good” which is different than bad by quite a bit

[golden tulip]

you did not say generally

[worn pike]

I mean you can look

[golden tulip]

now its just semantics

you edited it motherfucker dont trick me

[golden sonnet]

👁️👄👁️

[worn pike]

I forgot a period

🤷

[golden tulip]

no you didnt i know what you wrote

aight whatever doesnt matter anyway

[glass arch]

@cerulean lotus #1042197406776827914

[cerulean lotus]

sorryyyyy

[gray nebula]

wait i am late

but wulfrum armor doesn't apply tags

it retargets minions but besides that it's just like a trishot prosthesis

[drowsy plank]

oh that is what i meant
i kept forgetting minion tag is like

[distant gyro]

tag in the form of targeting

[drowsy plank]

an actual debuff

[gray nebula]

so it'd litterally just be a gun that retargets minions

[drowsy plank]

very annoying terminology 👍

[distant gyro]

rather than tag damage

[gray nebula]

which you can achieve by just right clicking enemies with a summoning item

[distant gyro]

silly terms but i think it makes some amount of sense

tag without damage

[gray nebula]

i mean tag without damage kinda not the most necessary thing

sug is just flat out asking for a gun that deals minion damage (strange)

[drowsy plank]

i get WHY they called it that but it makes it very annoying to distinguish minion targeting and minion tagging

also yeah

i mean tbf we do KINDA have summoner mage weapons with puppet and bomber so idc all that much but

yeah

[gray nebula]

ok but

puppet & bomber.... kinda peepeepoopoo

[fervent orbit]

yknow wat we need? classless weapons being able to rclick target

[gray nebula]

🤐

[fervent orbit]

[gray nebula]

Wulfrum's set bonus is only just a magic weapon because it's a set bonus gimmick

wouldn't work as a standalone thing

[fervent orbit]

no its ranger because its a gun

[glass arch]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Magic_guns

[novel belfry]

I want exo armor to just have a super wulfrum bastion set bonus
but there's class specific transformations, so melee exo armor gets a different weapon from say, summoner exo armor

there's my schizo idea

[gray nebula]

also tbh the wiki does distinguish targetting aznd tag

[fervent orbit]

but its simplier to call it one thing obviously

[gray nebula]

i mean given they're entirely unrelated thinfgs i would disagree

u can target with no tag

and you Could tag with no targetting (altho nothing in the base game does that iirc)

[fervent orbit]

tagging with no targetting sounds stupid

[glass arch]

yeah everything that has tag also targets

[fervent orbit]

but technically possible

[gray nebula]

yea

tag damage comes from debuffs

minion targetting is a unique variable

it'd be weird but technically it could be done

[undone cedar]

I’m kinda surprised that this isn’t considered a SIS?

[drowsy plank]

no i definitely see what you mean

i think you could easily write one that is valid but the way this is phrased is a bit weird

[undone cedar]

This does say a specific function and placement imo?

[novel belfry]

its in that weird spot in between

its ALMOST a sis, but there's something about it that's different

it doesn't go ALL in the SIS route

[undone cedar]

i feel like the wording is so confusing that it could be a SIS but it also might not be

[novel belfry]

maybe make it a little less specific, and it should be perfectly fine

[swift wharf]

this reminded me of a suggestion about wanting a summoner subclass of just transformations

[undone cedar]

[errant bobcat]

I mean, eh? Most of the transformation summon weapons are endgame, like profaned soul crystal and flamsteed ring

[novel belfry]

more non endgame summon transformations

gotta be one of my favorite genders

[swift wharf]

just become a dev

ez

[worldly sparrow]

honestly that suggestion about evil-2 progression i can confirm that the time in between is easy

especially when you can skip eow for hive mind if you feel like it

[golden tulip]

yea if i had to pick 1 boss to remove it would be evil bosses

which would be 2 bossss but shut up

[stone bloom]

(Removed DoG 👍)

[cerulean lotus]

[novel belfry]

REMOVED ASTRRUSNAKG

[grim tusk]

Latest sugg is pretty borderline

Passable but uhhh

[wide river]

What is that even supposed to mean
Are you referring to early game? Swords at that point aren't supposed to have mass amounts of range, so it's fine
Anything later has decent range via projectiles. You can also just use other weapons like boomerangs, yoyos, and flails if you want it earlier

[cerulean lotus]

wtf that suggestion

[north oracle]

and it's gone

[drowsy plank]

im not even gonna waste an exclaim on this

[wide river]

Curious suggestion

[drowsy plank]

@ivory galleon no joke suggestions

[ivory galleon]

awh ok

big bword 😔

[drowsy plank]

it would help if you actually read the rules in the pins

[ivory galleon]

i will in around 20 minutes

10 more minutes

[bright crag]

I wouldn't want to delete evil-2
I like their role in the lore, their fights are great....
The one issue with them is that evil-1 exists

And that sucks

To be fair their drops are meh but a lot of boss loot is rn

[wide river]

Still thinking about that suggestion about removing the crafting recipes for the drops
The recipes serve no purpose anymore in my opinion

[ivory galleon]

what is evil 1 and 2

omg wait 2 more minutes

1

[undone holly]

EoW / BoC is evil 1

evil 2 is Hive Mind and Perforators

[ivory galleon]

ohh

yeah those kinda suck

i mean

[undone holly]

does perforator even mean anything?

[ivory galleon]

like if they put it in hardmode and made it harder

that would be cool

[hybrid steeple]

something that perforates

[ivory galleon]

but the fact that i usually fight it like right after the first evil

is kind of weird

wasted potential

i also haven’t heard of 1 mod that adds an evil boss in hm

[wide river]

That was an idea that was brought up
However, hardmode isn't much less cluttered in terms of boss content

[ivory galleon]

so…

[ivory galleon]

oh dang

[glass arch]

yeah hm has no shortage of bosses

[ivory galleon]

hold on i can read the rules now brb

[wide river]

The specifics was "Move Evil-2 to early Hardmode, and make them sort of a counterpart to Queen Slime"
That then led to the problem of 9 bosses immediately after getting into hardmode

[undone holly]

I mean like maybe moving it to like post skeletron perhaps? though post skeletron has abyss, dungeon, intended slime god, so it has a decent amount

[undone holly]

wait, 9?

qs, mech boss, calamity trio

thats 7

oh wait

I can count

very much

[wide river]

It would be Queen Slime, Perforators, Hive Mind, Destroyer, Skeletron Prime, Twins, Aquatic Scourge, Brimstone Elemental, and Cryogen

Which is just content overload

[undone holly]

yeah

remember back when the three early HM bosses from calamity dropped the mech boss souls too?

[wide river]

Aquatic Scourge with Sight, Cryogen with Might, and Brimstone Elemental with Fright
Not sure why that was the case, but it was

[undone holly]

I mean colors worked

thats about it

and variety I guess

[ivory galleon]

ok i’m back i read them

[bright crag]

In my opinion, we should remove the drops
You'd get materials, so you can choose what weapon to get
Plus, it lets us tie things to the materials

[worldly sparrow]

... which is why I think they'd fit best post-skeletron

[ivory galleon]

Anyways evil 2 should be moved to post skeletron and make them much harder with cool drops and such

and maybe a post ml optional evil boss because that would be Holy Molay

[north oracle]

there's already a boss associated with the evils post skele

[ivory galleon]

who

[worldly sparrow]

slime god is barely

[ivory galleon]

oh

[undone holly]

is slime god what you mean?

[north oracle]

true, but it would be an overlap

[worldly sparrow]

also that does not count as evil 3

[ivory galleon]

dang

hmm

[bright crag]

Slime God exists post-Skeletron, and there's no way we can fit two major sets between Skeletron and WoF

[worldly sparrow]

slime god can be summoned outside

of evil

[undone holly]

I feel like slime god is just technically an evil based boss

not quite evil 3

but like it has red and purple

[wide river]

That could work yea
One or the other, there's just no reason for both to exist

[ivory galleon]

ok maybe how about optional post mech

[north oracle]

that's another good point, there's no way to fit another set of gear in there

[ivory galleon]

and make them much harder

bcuz

😤

[wide river]

We really don't need to move them out of pre-Hardmode

[worldly sparrow]

the issue is that late pre-hm is too cluttered and early hardmode has too many bosses

[north oracle]

preplant is a totally bloated tier already

[bright crag]

And before you ask
Yes, Aerialite and Statigel necessarily tied to Evil-2 and Slime God respectively

[north oracle]

it would be interesting to retier deer and QB to be pre evil 2

[bright crag]

"Move it to a non-clutered place"

Where...?

[wide river]

Lore reasons, from what I remember
Moving them would be more effort than it's worth

[undone holly]

I mean even if we wanted to, wouldnt it be strange to have plant and evil bosses around the same teir?

plantera literally slows down evil spread

[bright crag]

Yes

[worldly sparrow]

^^^
in calamity, no tier is uncluttered except for late post-ml

[north oracle]

yeah lmao

post DoG pre yharon

has nothing

[undone holly]

yeah

[wide river]

The only uncluttered tier is the one that has the least amount of non-linearity

[ivory galleon]

YEAH

make very hard evil 2 boss post dog pre that on

[wide river]

And at that point the Evil biomes have faded into irrelevance

[ivory galleon]

yharon

[north oracle]

yeah that's not happening

[bright crag]

While moving Deer and QB to pre-evil-2 would help distance them, it would also bring Aerialite closer to Statigel

[worldly sparrow]

theres literally no way evil 2 bosses could be crammed into post-ml

[ivory galleon]

ok what the flip 🤪🤪

[north oracle]

they'd have to be totally reworked to make them not just awful fights by then

[north oracle]

hm, true

[wide river]

And doing that would defeat the purpose of splitting the armors

[ivory galleon]

than we remove them i don’t remember using one evil 2 weapon

[undone holly]

I mean, provi has (for now though I think its gonna be changed) links to hallow

[ivory galleon]

sometimes i skip them

i don’t use angel treads ever

[bright crag]

Unironically the best solution would be nuking evil-1
But we can't do that :p

[worldly sparrow]

attacks would need rework, same with difficulty, the evil biomes have faded into irrelevancy, and they wouldn't fit in the lore in the slightest

[undone holly]

I mean, why not?

[ivory galleon]

how about they just remake evil 1 in their own style or something

[north oracle]

kill them

[ivory galleon]

make it color cuz evil 1 is just kinda there

[worldly sparrow]

because thats vanilla content

[bright crag]

We won't remove vanilla content

[undone holly]

ah

[north oracle]

sadness

[wide river]

If Calamity wasn't Calamity it could happen
But Calamity is Calamity, so it'll never happen

[ivory galleon]

you don’t even need to kill them you can just slightly kill them, they drop their drops anyway lol

calamity is like it’s own game in the terraria engine istg

[undone holly]

you do with calamity

[wide river]

Revengeance (the intended Calamity experience) makes that not a thing

[ivory galleon]

really? i really remember getting their drops on revenangence without killing them

[worldly sparrow]

another dumb solution is to re-tier queen bee or deerclops and then add a new boss post-evil 2 to keep the distance from statigel but distance from evil 1

[ivory galleon]

ok than nvm

[worldly sparrow]

but thats dumb

[bright crag]

As someone who's written the Aerialite lore, which is adjacent to evil-2 lore
Evil-2 has so much more going for it than evil-1

[north oracle]

yeah lol

[ivory galleon]

when’s the last time you fought deerclops

[wide river]

Adding new bosses would just be like sticking a bandage on an eroding cliffside to fix it
It just wouldn't work

[north oracle]

yharim will now be placed post evil 2

[worldly sparrow]

for the achievement in vanilla

[ivory galleon]

lmfao same

[north oracle]

about 2 weeks ago for inf nohits

[ivory galleon]

alt clicked it on boss checklist to count it as done

[bright crag]

Evil-1 is "ahhh creepy monster"

Evil-2 is "the twitching remains of vile dead gods, wielding the bulk of the world evil"

[worldly sparrow]

lets have a yharim clone like calamitas lmfao

[north oracle]

XD

[undone holly]

eternity mode playthrough, where I fought it post mech boss (if you dont know its not reteired at all, and I still struggled)

[bright crag]

Jharim fight

[ivory galleon]

make it a big floating yharim head

[worldly sparrow]

or THE LORDE could be retiered

[undone holly]

oh I forgot about that... thing

[wide river]

Quality image

[undone holly]

I remember legitimately listening to its theme for fun a while ago

[hybrid steeple]

entirely unrelated to evil 2 discussion #488081
are there any plans for auric rework beyond just like. its a thing that'll happen?

the WARDE >>>>

[wide river]

Not a dev, so take what I say with a grain of salt
I think it'd have some sort of electricity-related ability, considering it's Auric Tesla and also the Ore shocks you

[ivory galleon]

smash

[wide river]

Do not

[ivory galleon]

ok

[royal tapir]

How it feels to kill people

[worldly sparrow]

no, they'll just add bharim

[bright crag]

Not much beyond the general agreement that it'll stay a 5-set and will get it's own abilities rather than being a mesh of other armors

[ivory galleon]

is there going to be a yharim fight

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[wide river]

Eventually, yes

[worldly sparrow]

if calamity doesnt die first

[ivory galleon]

ok let’s go back to evil 2

[bright crag]

Auric is draconic-themed now so I wonder if we could use that somehow

[cerulean lotus]

werent they considering a new auric sprite

[bright crag]

Yes

[worldly sparrow]

ok

so retier the lorde yes?

problem solved

[ivory galleon]

let’s get rid of evil 2

and make aurelius

[wide river]

Draconic Surge
Idk I just thought of the idea, not sure what it means

[ivory galleon]

ariel rite

idk how to spell it

after evil 1

[wide river]

Aerialite?

[ivory galleon]

yes

[worldly sparrow]

draconium