suggestions-discussion

[sleek turret]

you'd have to make olc be the rarest item to get ever to compensate it being Just Too Good

[swift wharf]

true

you kill like 10 of them and get something that cheeses pretty much every prehm boss

lol!

[bright crag]

It depends
It is a balance, as I said

[swift wharf]

strange balance

[bright crag]

Not really

[drowsy plank]

this sugg is weird

[bright crag]

I think it's a bit bad, but because it's a medium-rarity drop from a relatively uncommon enemy

Which is one of the worst scenarios for drops

[drowsy plank]

you do realize you can like. actually do cooking
like make apple pies out of apples
sundays out of bananas

[serene tendon]

In my 1000+ hours of Terraria, no, I have not

[bright crag]

Rare drops from common mobs? Alright
Guaranteed drops from rare mobs? Alright

Uncommon drops from uncommon mobs? Sell your soul to RNG

The fruit drops are 100% going down

They are insane rn

[drowsy plank]

it's a calamity thing

[swift wharf]

i'm saying that

[serene tendon]

*sundaes

[swift wharf]

it's not that uncommon

lmao

[bright crag]

That's your experience

[swift wharf]

as kaizo said

[unreal saffron]

^^

[serene tendon]

Huh, was it recent? Because I have like 700 hours on Calamity

[bright crag]

And, since uncommon mobs and uncommon drop
You have two layers of RNGesus to get through

[glass arch]

rarity being an excuse for power is
not great tbh

[bright crag]

It's definitely a poor balance

[drowsy plank]

it came along with the fruit tree changes

[sleek turret]

does it really become uncommon when taking in consideration the clusterfuck that are increased spawn rates in terraria

[swift wharf]

anyone can farm those with pretty much no skill

and yeah fruits are silly

[serene tendon]

OLC feels like a Post-Mechs mobility tool. And you get it Pre-Boss. And the drop rate is quite high.

[sleek turret]

first 3-4 days of exploration you alredy have a shitton of seeds and if you're lucky you may get a water candle

[swift wharf]

but imo the 1st point isnt really valid because you're not gonna go breaking every biome tree at once

[serene tendon]

You don't have to in order to get 5 or so different fruits

[glass arch]

actually its only a ~15% drop rate

[serene tendon]

That's massive, for a rare Terraria item

[swift wharf]

it is

[sleek turret]

isn't really point 1 being a vanilla issue in the first place tbf

[bright crag]

Yeah, but you need to consider that not everyone will go straight to Hell, farm an uncommon worm enemy

[swift wharf]

bladecrest is half of that

[glass arch]

and not die for long enough to get the item

[bright crag]

Bladecrest drops from Demons, which are much, much more common
And it's also not as good afaik

[serene tendon]

In vanilla fruits are rare enough that it's a nice bit of variety, not a cluttered mess

[glass arch]

and bone serpents are much, much rarer than demons

[swift wharf]

are they tho

[sleek turret]

apple drop rates

[bright crag]

In my experience, yeah

[glass arch]

it apparently has better homing than 90% of post moon lord weapons

[swift wharf]

In your experience

[glass arch]

yes

[bright crag]

See why uncommon drop + uncommon enemy sucks?

[sleek turret]

[bright crag]

You can have completrly different experiences

[serene tendon]

Post-Plant dungeon drops are like 7% from an uncommon enemy, for a normal weapon

[swift wharf]

i mean by the time you get in hell you can craft like a gold sword , put some blocks around you and boom

easy bone worm farm

demons cant get to you imps cant get to you

[bright crag]

I don't think most people will do that

[glass arch]

very rarely (maybe not ever) have i seen 2 bone serpents alive at the sane time

[swift wharf]

this is true the avereage terraria player don't have enough brain capacity to do that

[serene tendon]

That's beside the point. It can be done, and it's silly

[sleek turret]

really depends on the person playing the mod desiring to get the item in the first place

[glass arch]

and you're in the dungeon, the place where spawn rates are almost permanently boosted

[bright crag]

Well, by that point, well done
You put in a decent amount of effort to get the sword

[swift wharf]

YEAH actually if you want to get a really strong weapon you can and with minimal effort

[sleek turret]

if they want it, they will!

[drowsy plank]

simply lock old lord claymore or whatever behind skeletron

[swift wharf]

so true

[serene tendon]

Fair, but the difference is still obvious

[serene tendon]

Why don't we nerf it and give the current power to its HM upgrade

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

TRUE actually

[serene tendon]

The rest of the line needs a rework anyway

[sleek turret]

the dungeon is also far more dangerous than hell itself with the exception being trident devils doing 200+ damage in a single proj hit 🚎 (I hate these enemies)

[swift wharf]

doze rework mod

[bright crag]

(I wouldn't mind)

[serene tendon]

What?

[swift wharf]

(a mod that reworks the entire line, not relevant rn0

[glass arch]

doze's melee reworks reworks the entire line

[swift wharf]

the real rework will come in 2 business years

[glass arch]

plus several other weapons

[serene tendon]

Fascinating

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren "it would be cool" + specific item suggestion kind of

also sevens striker exists if you want a weapon that makes use of coins

[ashen warren]

Ye but sevens striker is pretty much a shotgun

[drowsy plank]

• tyranny's end and marksman rounds

[bright crag]

Minos Prime

[ashen warren]

Oops

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-wait-what-confused-gif-15074314

[ashen warren]

Lemme change that

[drowsy plank]

i mean

there's no real point

your suggestion is still invalid

for a ton of other reasons

[bright crag]

^

[drowsy plank]

id worry about those first lmao

[ashen warren]

I just want an upgraded version of Midas prime similar to onyx blaster. Having more weapons which reward skill would be really nice

[drowsy plank]

marksman rounds

also

onyx blaster...????

[ashen warren]

Yeah, it gets upgrades throughout the playthrough

[drowsy plank]

ok look regardless just
use marksman rounds

problem solved

[ashen warren]

But I mainly want a new Midas prime upgrade for an upgraded version of Midas touch. Grinding for platinum coins for sevens striker is a pain

[drowsy plank]

literally how

calamity's economy is literally in the garbage how are you having trouble farming plat

[ashen warren]

Sevens striker is really good on infernum prov (it's almost impossible if you have a bad pc), infernum poltar and infernum DoG. I probably used 1k+ plat coins total for my Infernum playthrough

If you die alot with sevens it takes forever to grind plat coins

[drowsy plank]

yes it is also good in normal cal im saying how are you having trouble getting money

[ashen warren]

Just adds unnecessary grinding

[drowsy plank]

just go kill BoC a few dozen times

hell maybe even moon lord or something he drops a lot of shit

[ashen warren]

I was using fargos to spawn hundreds of EoC but I don't know if that's cheating

If you're a regular player who is using sevens striker it wouldn't be uncommon to use 200+ plat coins (I used like 800~ during an inf run)

So easier money would be nice, just gives more time to kill bosses

[glass arch]

money is already easy to get

mechs alone give like 2 plat per kill

[drowsy plank]

infact we have a problem of money being TOO easy to get

[ashen warren]

Money shouldn't be an issue, reforges, sevens striker and stuff like RoD already cost a fortune

[royal tapir]

Of course you have a money problem if you’re using Platinum Coins with Sevens Striker

[glass arch]

also yeah

using plat as ammo is going to be an issue for money considering its the highest tier coin

[ashen warren]

I just want an upgraded Midas prime for post-ml because ultra kill is cool

Also Midas prime is fun to use

[glass arch]

which brings us to the "It would be cool" argument, which unfortunately is against voting rules

[ashen warren]

Well ranged is a boring uninteresting class that people find boring so a weapon that makes it more skill based would make the class a lot better

[drowsy plank]

marksman rounds

[glass arch]

yeah marksman rounds exist

[bright crag]

I'm pretty sure that, for Midas debuff, there's Bullets

And there are other ways to boost coin drops

[drowsy plank]

greedy ring exist and marksman rounds also inflict midas so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bright crag]

You also can't expect regular Cal to fully cover the use cost of one (probably intentionally) expensive ammo weapon
And you said you are in Infernum, which is particularly resource-intensive

Money is relatively easy to get in Calamity already

So the point of making money easier to get is a bit weak

[drowsy plank]

~~to be fair he already deleted the suggestion anyway ~~

[bright crag]

Tru

[rugged belfry]

Alternative portabulb function: points in the direction of the nearest plantera bulb

[rugged belfry]

Fight clam with gills and flipper on 🙏

[wide river]

Also, Infernum is used as the reasoning
That doesn't apply to base Calamity

[rugged belfry]

^

[small timber]

@plucky glacier you do not need an arena for calamity noninfernum version of the fight, as in not even close

The fight is literally with consideration that you are underwater

[lavish condor]

There are ways to counter the slow movement in water. Removing the water would pretty much remove any remaining sense of uniqueness

[rugged belfry]

Infernum is external, you'd want to go to their server

[plucky glacier]

ik

im just posting it here cuz infernum is now dead

[rugged belfry]

We cannot help unfortunately

[lavish condor]

Infernum won't be getting updates except for maintenance. Bug reports and suggestions for it are kinda null and void

[plucky glacier]

ik ik

just

pain

are there any mods that fix like

water lag

cuz my arena has so many god damn pockets

[small timber]

Tldr is you are trying to post a suggestion here to fix a problem that do not exist on a version of the mod without an addon

Water physics have always been funky in terraria

[lavish condor]

iirc victide armor, gills, flipper potion make you more mobile in water than you would be on land

[small timber]

Generally for sunken sea one you just, dont create an arena, because you dont need one

Or even worse case scenario you just drag giant clam to an open area without water nearby

[plucky glacier]

wait is there still a victide melee set

[wide river]

Yes

[lavish condor]

victide's all class

[plucky glacier]

I haven't played since the victide rework

[wide river]

No helmets were removed in its rework, unlike Wulfrum

[plucky glacier]

lol

[swift wharf]

i'm just gonna exclaim that because

This kind of only applies to infernum

2. you don't need an arena for goddamn giant clam

3. water breathing accessories

[rugged belfry]

Real

[plucky glacier]

alr I understand

but just to be clear it wasn't about water breathing

[rugged belfry]

Flipper potion

[plucky glacier]

more just laggy water physics

[rugged belfry]

Terraria

[swift wharf]

uhhhh future content suggesition

?

[novel belfry]

I got a lucky horseshoe anyways

[rugged belfry]

I like how the suggestion isn't even finished

[novel belfry]

It's in progress man

but yeah, it probably should be suggested later

[hollow shell]

Drain?

[hollow shell]

yeah lmao

[rugged belfry]

Bumping this because I don't hate it as an idea

[wide river]

Lab seeking mechanism but Plantera summon

[shut pollen]

I just personally don’t understand why it needs a rework

[random pasture]

Literally just find the verdant sanctuary

Unironically Delete the portabulb and make a verdant sanctuary locater tbh

[shut pollen]

jungle schematic

unless that’s post plant

but also the item doesn’t need a rework in any way

[kindred skiff]

Jar

[ripe owl]

Gordon_Freeman_in_a_jar_what_the_fuck.mp4

[crude geode]

are the two variants even really needed?

I do like the lamp idea it feels neat but using it to justify having both of them feels. weird.

[cobalt pewter]

well djinns exist in Terraria

also

it'd be better to just

have both in a single it

em

there's practically Zero reason to have the elementals separate by now

as of right now sand is guh and rare sand is alright

if we start by having both of them being in a single item, their future reworks can take this into account and balance the two being from a single acc

the lamp idea is good, but there's no reason to have both the lamp and bottle when both sand elementals can just coexist in the lamp

also renaming them is certainly in order

I kinda also hate that everyone gets "Elemental" name

be creative with that term at least dang

elementals is kinda overused

e.g. have the sands be named "spirits"

with the new writers, surely they can come up with better names ye?

slowly reworking each of the HotE elements and then reworking hote itself sounds aight to me

[crude geode]

That is indeed what I meant

[sharp nova]

Hey is there any option to change global base speed for enemy becouse we can right now furn off the buffs for player but not for enemy
and i have problem with bats that dash to you and stick to you like glue and u just die and cannnot survive in early prehardmode.
Is the any option to make a similar functionality like in general gameplay change is or i show where is the line/code/folder/attribute is for base enemy speed so i can change it manually?

[tired haven]

Well, mod wise you can always decrease the enemy speed on your own, I assume
It's not likely to be a global change because death mode (which is the only reason for glue bats ) changes all those values individually for enemies and as such turning all off doesn't really make sense (you can turn off the difficulty mode instead), while turning them off individually is config bloat

well, "not likely" is overly optimistic. I don't think it'd ever happen without a far greater reason

[sharp nova]

well i play on revengeance mode only so is a little bit odd and i compare bats on vanilla right now and i guess if u give for bats even 1-2% faster acceleration that can give u a glue effect especially when u try play ranger or mage class so anyway thx

[tired haven]

Huh. I don't remember revengeance making bats any faster

but yeah, they can be pesky, and picking the right weapon is key

[sharp nova]

some of the last update make everything faster so no matter with mode u play it affect i guess

[sharp nova]

yee i will manege this 🙂

thx for help

and answer

[tired haven]

[bright crag]

@edgy charm Your suggestion is very specific, very demanding in terms of development, and generally has little reasoning

[edgy charm]

yes, i understood it. I will rewrite and reupload

[bright crag]

Alright, then

[ripe owl]

What happened

[cobalt pewter]

@drowsy plank btw

[dense ferry]

Wow

@edgy charm no

A Sunken Sea expansion is already planned too

[blazing kettle]

@edgy charm sunken sea overhaul is planned to come out at some point

[edgy charm]

sorry i don't know

Maybe some ideas will be helpful with that

[edgy charm]

can you say smth about ideas for rework in my suaggestion

[ripe owl]

Too specific

To say the least

[cobalt pewter]

actually it's low priority but imma suggest the renames to (most of) elementals in HotE

[ripe owl]

Just saying "Sunken Sea needs an expansion" is enough for a suggestion, but saying "Sunken Sea should get expansion with this this and that" is too specific

[cobalt pewter]

only Anahita doesn't comply to the elemental naming

[ripe owl]

Go get em tiger

[cobalt pewter]

but even then it's been like that since Siren was a thing

[dense ferry]

The Elementals don't have a name for specific reasons

Silva and Anahita are the ones that do

The rest doesn't have one

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not gonna tell them to give a proper name

just giving them a better descriptor than "Elemental"

[dense ferry]

I'm not sure we really have one

[blazing kettle]

if brimmy's name is not sassafras then i will quit cal forever

[dense ferry]

What do we even call the Cloud Elemental other than... A Cloud Elemental?

[cobalt pewter]

I was thinking since I read cogni's sugg about giving rare sand a lamp item instead of bottle

"is there really no other way to describe them other than Elemental"

[dense ferry]

I agree on that tbh

Elemental on a Lamp is cooler

[shut pollen]

what??? being too specific making it a not warrantable change is really weird

[dense ferry]

But yeah no I'm not sure what we could call the Elementals other than the Elementals

They have other titles, but yeah

Brimmy is known as the Silent Matron of Azafure

[blazing kettle]

being too specific removes any freedom the devs may want to change about the sugg

you are simply giving a idea

[cobalt pewter]

that's

I guess that's new lore eh

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

because that'd be a better name than "Brimstone Elemental"

but we're talking about changing a boss name

[ripe owl]

That's literally a rule

[dense ferry]

Well, we are doing that already

But I don't think "Silent Matron of Azafure" would fit well for a Boss name

[ripe owl]

Imagine if everyone were to suggest a specific item or a specific change in something

[blazing kettle]

which happened in the pat, alot

past*

[ripe owl]

Yeah exactly

I wonder how many items have actually made it from "Make a specific item name" or "Make it because it's fun" suggestions

[dense ferry]

Some SIS have been accepted in the past

But that was a REALLY FUCKING LONG time ago

[ripe owl]

I know

And that's what I wanna know, if it's even possible to know now

Probably not

[cobalt pewter]

the moment the suggestion system uses a bot, sis pretty much died

(you can see the timeline in pins)

to my knowledge all sis in cal were suggested back when people could just type directly in #suggestions-voting

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[ripe owl]

Oh wait so there are still those messages in the channel?

Time to dig up some graves I guess

[dense ferry]

They were already prohibited when I joined which was in 2019

And back then the Bot didn't exist

[dense ferry]

THEY WERE BANNED

THE MONTH I JOINED

LMAO

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

actually I wonder if this can be updated in accordance to the moment the new bot was made and suggs no longer use a fixed star count to get into dev

when was it even

[blazing kettle]

there used to be a fixed star requirement???

god that sounded like a horrible time

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

[tired haven]

well, the fixed star requirement was updated like bimonthly or so, but it was certainly a time of all time

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[rugged belfry]

TIL there isn't a fixed star requirement anymore

[swift wharf]

there should be

kinda

there should be two limits

[blazing kettle]

no there shouldnt

the current system is great

[swift wharf]

cuz sometimes youll get 290 stars and then some suggestion will get 300 and you wont be delivered to the devteam anymore

that or just change the 20% to 25% or smth

[rugged belfry]

Whoa now, that's insane

[drowsy plank]

talked about this but the counter point was it'd have to be constantly updated, so it will never come back. im not sure why an impossibly lofty goal of 300+ or something couldnt be set, but it's whatever really

increasing the threshold could be nice tho

[swift wharf]

ya

[ripe owl]

From what I can tell, Stealth seems to come from one of the suggestions

I ain't feeling like scrolling this shitholr anymore, I am already tired as is

[swift wharf]

plantation staff came from a suggestion

[edgy charm]

why this picks up a freedom from devs? this suggestion can be reviewed from to sides: sunken sea needs a rework, sunken sea needs that rework, take my idea

[ripe owl]

No it doesn't need that rework

It needs a reword that devs will find fitting for it

[swift wharf]

sunken sea is already getting a rework

[edgy charm]

i know

[swift wharf]

let me reword it better, the rework is not finished

[ripe owl]

Then what's the matter?

[edgy charm]

ok

[ripe owl]

Just wait for the rework to become the reality

[edgy charm]

i hope it will be nice

[ripe owl]

(as if every other biome rework yet wasn't nice)

Anyway

[edgy charm]

and leaves sunken sea (or part) like a chill place

[bright crag]

Yeah, you can't suggest things as specific as this

There's no "take my idea"
At most, you can list very broad potential paths

Like "have its content more spread out/constant through a playthrough"

[ripe owl]

Can I become a dev so that I could say "take my idea"?

[bright crag]

And like people said
Sunken Sea will be reworked

Also, it would be really weird to have post-SCal Sunken Sea content

[hybrid radish]

Hello! I have a problem playing with the infernus mod, I'm playing with tmodloader 1.4.3.6 and I have activated both calamity mod and calamity infernus mod (and the music, obviously), but when creating a world in expert mode the bosses start like the original calamity, not with the expansion of infernus :( Does anyone know why this happens?

[small timber]

you don't need to "force the player to revisit each biome"

[bright crag]

You need to enable the Infernum difficulty

[edgy charm]

wrong channel

[hybrid radish]

uh

[small timber]

sunken sea already have HM upgrades and I think that is already good enough

[hybrid radish]

sorry

[ripe owl]

Stip why do I, every time I look at you, think of CongratsIsTrash? Are you two really that easy to mess up?

[swift wharf]

probably should go here #1098794852839329823

[bright crag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small timber]

if you do too much of the "please revisit this biome for future upgrade" eventually it just become pads

[hybrid radish]

ok ok, thx

[bright crag]

Idk

[ripe owl]

Aye fair

[edgy charm]

it have armor upgrades worse than sulfurous sea and abyss biome

[small timber]

that does not relate to a reason why "it is not considered an upgrade", things can be buffed

especially in this case that I don't even think the sunken sea HM armor is bad, in fact I often heard it is underrated

[bright crag]

They're obtained at different progression points

Sunken Sea is post-DS
Abyss is post-Skeletron

Acid Rain is post-EoC

[ripe owl]

Mollusk armor is early Hardmode and is multiclass
Fathom Swarmer is, if I recall correctly, post-Calamitas and is a summoner-only and Omega Blue is post-Polterghast and is again a multiclass

You're comparing an early Hardmode to mid-Hardmode and mid-PostML

[bright crag]

Fathom Swarmer is also pretty bad
Omega Blue is glass cannon, so not used too much

[ripe owl]

Or maybe even early pre-hardmode

[small timber]

fathom swarmer is another one of those badshit insane armor that no one use because 99% of playerbase never bothered with water arena

[tired haven]

Wet rockets boutta be the #1 most op calamity item

quickly followed by wet bombs

[ripe owl]

So true CrabBestie

[small timber]

I think I still have the "4 horseman of bullshit underwater item", sec

[ripe owl]

How is Valor an underwater item?

Oh

+16 underwater defense

Bruh

[small timber]

but these item are garbage because no one fight bosses in water arena

surely

[tired haven]

shield of the ocean man

[ripe owl]

I think Aquatic Emblem is somewhat useful for Abyss exploration

Keyword is somewhat

[small timber]

surely no one will fill golem room with water and completely invalidate the entire fight not just stat wise but mechanic wise because golem jump slower and fireballs move slower in water

aquatic emblem give 50 defense

[bright crag]

Water-only bonuses are truly the most of all time

[tired haven]

yeah
i'd put honey instead

[small timber]

it is the 2nd highest defense accessory in the game beside draedon's heart
wait draedon's heart is 48 so it actually is the highest

[ripe owl]

Literally the best for Abyss where everything and everyone can eat you

[wide river]

They're neat in concept, but they don't incentivize the player to actually use them over their worldlong platforms or empty voids of worlds

[tired haven]

Now I wonder if making all water-related effects weaker but making them activate by rain will cause playerbase to turn their worlds into permanent UK mode

[wide river]

Kinda like that Deep Diver suggestion from a while back?

[ripe owl]

5-2 is real

[small timber]

I suggested this but now that I think about it will just make it so using Tear in a boss fight is mandatory

[ripe owl]

Oh wait you meant United Kingdom

[tired haven]

Perhaps
It's all caused by shrimpy truffle (fishron mount) getting that

Or so I assume, at least

[small timber]

and force boss fights to be fought in a shitty laggy weather because those benefits are too big even if nerfed (eg: Deep Diver I think is equivalent if not longer than Ninja Gear dash length)

[ripe owl]

Deep Diver should either be a pre-hardmode accessory or be merged with the Shield of the Ocean, because by the time you get the SotO you need to explore Sunken Sea where dash would be quite useful

[wide river]

I mean by a technicality it's a pre-hardmode accessory but we had this discussion with the Community a while back so

[tired haven]

Eh, you can prioritize crafting that. This increases player agency as opposed to SotO being instapicked

[small timber]

deep diver is in fact never outdated

as in against anything that is not a dash heavy boss (eg: duke fishron, yharon), deep diver is the best dash in the game period

[bright crag]

I feel like, in current iteration, they should be aquatic exploration accessories

Players won't build water arenas even if you give them insane bonuses for it, so for the sake of land combat, we need another approach

[wide river]

So like remove their offensive capabilities, or at least tone them down
Make them prioritize defense, movement, and/or other various exploratory needs
Sounds like a good plan

[small timber]

it will make them useless beside the several point where you don't even need them

[lucid flare]

building water arenas is also kind of a hassle
the best way to do this would be by spamming wet rockets or wet bombs, but you'd need a fast enough rocket launcher to use the former

[small timber]

the only "underwater exploration" accessory you need is basically just arctic diving gear and basically only for the abyss

anything is not mandatory or even remotely necessary

[bright crag]

Maybe the biome reworks will change that...

[small timber]

the fact that these accessories give insane bonus was the only reason they were used for underwater; most people will not need nor appreciate if it say provide better lights underwater

[bright crag]

Though I agree that you shouldn't need many underwater exploration accessories

[tired haven]

Grenade launcher is actually 2nd fastest launcher that works with wet rockets. Huh

[small timber]

you will have to make underwater combat so treacherous or difficult without these items that make these items near essential

[bright crag]

But in general, I feel like using those accessories for combat, in a game where the vast majority of fights is on land, is very niche

[bright crag]

Or rework the items to play off of mechanics involving said exploration instead of being stat sticks for underwater combat

[small timber]

and in general I think they are allowed to stay niche; because it give player more options on how they approach the fight

[wide river]

Yea
There's two fights that warrant fighting in water in the whole mod, Giant Clam and Adult Eidolon Wyrm

[tired haven]

Reminds me of abyssion. And yknow, i'd rather have useless accessories than that

[small timber]

I think them giving combat bonus is fine, just need to be abit more tuned down especially on already great item like asgard's valor

[bright crag]

Yeah, but then
Why so many accessories catering to the same obscure niche, with such powerful bonuses

[wide river]

It no longer becomes a niche if such an amount fill the same niche

[small timber]

which is why I mean that they should be tuned down (by a bit)

they should not be "overpowered because in water", they should be "above average given underwater condition"

[bright crag]

It is still a niche tho
Being a niche or not depends on the specificity of the requirements and how often it's approached by players

[tired haven]

I suspect it means "when so many accessories try to fill a niche, most of them become obsolete"

[small timber]

I dont even think "build an underwater arena to fight a boss" is that niche; most people are just too lazy for that

you can very often see people use underwater arena for more difficult fights in challenge playthrough, iirc someone build an underwater moon lord arena even

[tired haven]

someone killed moon lord with a wood bow
should we nerf ranger or smth?

[small timber]

"these item give great bonus in water therefore fighting underwater might be an option if you build an arena specified for it" is not too out of the way of the line of thinking for most player

it is just a matter of effort, and most people are too lazy for it because cal need to be a boss rush simulator

[edgy charm]

my first ml kill was in underwater with fishron mount

[wide river]

Considering you can beat the whole game with three ranged weapons, perhaps
Or maybe that's just an incredibly specific scenario that just reveals that Platinum Coins are in dire need of a nerf

[bright crag]

"Most people wouldn't use it"
Which is why it's niche
It involves changing the setting of the combat, and not many people do that

[cobalt pewter]

ooh water effects

[tired haven]

It's an incredibly specific scenario of "one person didn't mind spending 20 hours on an arena and 20 more on the fight"

[cobalt pewter]

here's an idea: completely get rid of them or give better access to water and nerf these effects

[drowsy plank]

scorpio also works with all rockets (include nuke) tbf

[cobalt pewter]

I prefer the former, but the latter can* be done too

[small timber]

most people wouldn't use it because "they are bad" or "they are lazy" is a very different statement in my opinion

because one is the matter of the power of the item; the other is just the effort from the player's end

there are people who build scal arena is survival mode; or people who build underwater arena for bosses; or people who literally blow up half the world manually just to fight exo mechs in it

[bright crag]

It is a different statement, though both classify as niche to my understanding

[golden sonnet]

I use luiafk which has a click and drag item to fill the entire square with water, and even then I never use water arenas because learning the water movement just simply isn't worth the return

[wide river]

I think the Asgard's Valor line should have the water effects removed, but the rest seem fine/redeemable
Just my opinion though

[cobalt pewter]

or just make coin gun a ranged weapon with clips, and the higher the value the more they take up in the clip

[small timber]

just make coin guns capped at gold coin in my opinion

[cobalt pewter]

hard cap is fine, I'd probably just nerf plat heavily from gold

[bright crag]

I don't think we need to choose a path

We can make water arenas more accessible, leave some accessories for underwater combat, get rid of some accessories, and change the remainder to unique underwater exploration accessories

[small timber]

if plat is nerfed people will just complain that it is not worth the grind; just make it hard cap gold and balance around it

[cobalt pewter]

if it's hard capped to gold people will just complain that they can't use plat coins to demolish everything

basically the same argument here

how about this

we delete coin gun

[small timber]

which is a fine complain: they shouldn't be able to demolish everything

[cobalt pewter]

though if it's not hard capped to gold, I kinda want the weapon to raise its use time depending on the value of the coin used

[small timber]

the main problem in my opinion I see with this is just I don't see that there is any reason to change the existing one to become exploration accessories and then add new ones

it just takes more effort for almost the same end result

IMO tuned down the current underwater combat accessories by a bit and just add new underwater exploration accessories if needed

[cobalt pewter]

so plat for example will shoot much slower than copper

[wide river]

I can think of a few things to make water arenas more accessible

1. Making the Bottomless Water Bucket have a faster usetime
   or
2. Adding a new item that places water really fast
   Maybe I'm thinking too small, however

[small timber]

but yeah, unironically underwater arena had been very accessible ever since they added wet bomb/wet rocket; most player just doesn't even bother

[tired haven]

That's pretty interesting, albeit it'd boil down to the same dps nerf as just straight up nerfing plat

[small timber]

the closest approach I think is just make wet bomb/wet rocket more accessible since I think currently is still locked behind lava fishing/obsidian crate?

since you need at least 1 copy before able to buy more

[tired haven]

And since coin gun is already incredibly fast, you'd need a lot of slowdown to show an effect

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[swift wharf]

just make the player not able to easily use plat

[drowsy plank]

honestly im fine with coin gun just losing plat coins tbqh

it's a lot like the star cannon nerfs

and it'd make sevens striker more unique

plus it's a more adequate point in progression for you to be shredding stacks of plat on bosses anyway

[swift wharf]

imo the problem is that plat is op because you can get too much plat

[small timber]

either make coin guns not use plat or make all coin gun shoot a lot slower

[tired haven]

make coin gun locked to silver and introduce 2 more upgrades later in progression

[bright crag]

Add new ones...?

[tired haven]

that'll teach em

no it won't

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

when the player is able to get 200 plat by killing a boss a few times then yeah ofc its broken

[bright crag]

I never mentioned adding new ones

[wide river]

"But my funny pre-Mech weapon that invalidates the challenge "
-Someone, probably

[gaunt tiger]

aw shoot did I miss a discussion about accessory bloat

dang it

[drowsy plank]

tbf it wasnt about accessory bloat just water effects

[small timber]

not accessory bloat, just underwater accessory

yeah

[wide river]

You missed a discussion about water arenas and accessories that encourage them

[swift wharf]

kill water effects in combo accessories

[small timber]

underwater effect being slapped onto combo accessory is a problem yes though there is not much left for it now

[drowsy plank]

just
kill water effects period in anything not intended to somehow help with abyss exploration/combat

[small timber]

only one I can remember is asgard's valor

[swift wharf]

TRUE actually

shield of the ocean when it uhh??????????

[bright crag]

Why does it exist

[swift wharf]

idk

[gaunt tiger]

it's a good question

[wide river]

The whole Asgard's Valor line makes no sense to have the water effects aside from "Shield of the Ocean was used in it"

Just kill Shield of the Ocean

[gaunt tiger]

I like free water movement in lategame it's convenient

[swift wharf]

the whole asgard line is rotten to the core

[golden sonnet]

Honestly, yes

[drowsy plank]

like i think Aquatic Emblem is fine, Leviathan Ambergris is... okay... but Deep Diver has always been a problem because it's arguably the strongest item in the game and also no one ever fucking uses it because why would you lmao

[gaunt tiger]

it saves me buying flipper potions

[bright crag]

Yeah, wouldn't mind

[small timber]

shield of the ocean would be decent if not because of its effect being tied to victide and victide is really shit even as in underwater

[gaunt tiger]

keep the effect in somewhere, since the game is meant to be balanced for not having infinite buff slots

[swift wharf]

me when AS drops two fucking water accs

me when AS drops in general

[small timber]

you will basically have the equivalent of infinite buff slot starting next patch

[drowsy plank]

victide is awesome to fight exactly. giant clam. like maybe if cal had a boss like the jellyfish from thorium that incentivized early game water combat it'd be more useful but victide being forced to have a bunch of water effect no one is ever gonna use makes it so fuckin lame

[small timber]

it is really hard to fill that many buff slot unless you intentionall summon 20 different minions

[gaunt tiger]

and until that fated day, I will keep using infinite buff slots

[swift wharf]

people fight queen jellyfish underwater??

[drowsy plank]

no but like

[gaunt tiger]

summoner in general just spams your buff slots

[tired haven]

me casually utilizing victide post-skeletron for abyss

[drowsy plank]

you could MAYBE at least use it there

because it is AT the ocean

[tired haven]

true, they should make jellyfish enrage in the air

[gaunt tiger]

REAL
it's really great in infernum (yes I know, don't say it please) but not so much in the main mod

[swift wharf]

i always fought it on a platform

[cobalt pewter]

1 plat coin stack!!!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

yeah i tried using victide for post skele abyss once but like. why. it didnt really help me all that much.

[swift wharf]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[drowsy plank]

compared to just like. using aerialite or statigel

[swift wharf]

sulphurous armor

[gaunt tiger]

armor set bloat? surely not

[wide river]

That's just what I do
Victide + Shield of the Ocean + Ocean Crest and I'm set on the Abyss
Although maybe stuff from like 5 bosses earlier shouldn't be the stuff that you have for Abyss

[drowsy plank]

not everything is bloat 💥
victide just has very little identity or use beyond being a stat stick because it's water effects and overall gimmick in general are very subpar

[gaunt tiger]

genuinely one of the best parts of summoner in PHM is that there's basically 4 armor sets for the whole thing, and 3 of them are interchangeable based on playstyle

[wide river]

Maybe with the Sunken Sea rework it'll get a new effect

[drowsy plank]

like i think it is a useful set to exist, but it is just stats

maybe

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like the helmets are the bloat here

[swift wharf]

victide weapons
victide armor

[drowsy plank]

honestly..,..,.,. maybe.,.,.,.,.,

they r cool but

[gaunt tiger]

there needs to be at least one extra helmet for summoner to exist

[cobalt pewter]

there's no need for multiclass helmets for all classes in modern Terraria modding

[gaunt tiger]

but 2 helms total would be sick

[drowsy plank]

why would i use this instead of my class specific armors or just. plat or gold.

[cobalt pewter]

3 helmets tops to me, and even then 3 is kinda pushing it

[drowsy plank]

wait this reminds me

[gaunt tiger]

I'd like to see armor be something that is less disposable in general actually, especially in hardmode

[drowsy plank]

anyone remember my wulfrum/victide rework

[cobalt pewter]

god?

(I don't even remember seeing it)

[gaunt tiger]

you were responsible for god's gift to summoners????????????

BLESS YOU SIR

[wide river]

When was this

[drowsy plank]

no lol

lemme find it

[gaunt tiger]

TCH

[swift wharf]

summoner has flinch armor

[golden sonnet]

gold armor when 29% crit

[gaunt tiger]

wuh

[cobalt pewter]

also I wanted to revisit my auric rework concept but with Less helmets

[swift wharf]

auric SHOULD have 5 helmets but each hemlet gives an unique effect like completely different set unique go crazy go stupid

[wide river]

Rather than just being "Hey you remember those armors you used to make this? We added almost nothing to those effects"

[cobalt pewter]

summoner auric should just be vampire survivors

[swift wharf]

EXACTLY

ALSO TRUE

[gaunt tiger]

what are peoples' thoughts on this? make armor sets be typically class sets, not just a helmet and call it a day

[cobalt pewter]

I think that's the general consensus

[golden sonnet]

Calamity is already moving towards this

[gaunt tiger]

having more choices isn't inherently fun, to me, when there is a clear best

yeah

[swift wharf]

the problem isnt having a lot of choices

the problem is they being

[drowsy plank]

i found it

[swift wharf]

the same thing

[wide river]

The problem is that the choices suck

[swift wharf]

see: hydrothermic

[cobalt pewter]

for context, auric is literally

the material armors taped together

[swift wharf]

summoner :sus
melee; fire projectile
ranged: fire projectile
mage :fire pr
r: fire

auric is the worst armor conceptually in the mod rn yes

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not joking when I said auric is literally just a compression without any uniqueness of its own

[gaunt tiger]

wulfrum being a summoner set only wouldn't be too tragic

[bright crag]

Agreed
I feel like there should be one 5-helmet set in each major progression stage
Victide in pre-HM
??? in HM
Auric in post-ML

[gaunt tiger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

wulfrum fishing rod

[golden sonnet]

It already is......

[bright crag]

^

[gaunt tiger]

oh sweet

W

[swift wharf]

KEEP victide as 5 helmets because FISH helmet goes hard.........

[bright crag]

We need to revise Victide effects

[swift wharf]

do not mention turning it into vanity i will kill you

[cobalt pewter]

Hydrothemic? maybe? Reaver is already pretty unique and nuke Daedalus probably

[gaunt tiger]

"every boss has an armor set" in hardmode is kinda exhausting tbh

[bright crag]

Yeah, probably Scoria

[swift wharf]

plantera sets

[gaunt tiger]

there's barely an hour to get used to each set before you make a new one

[cobalt pewter]

plantera when she

[swift wharf]

do not talk about plantera we dont need to go there we dont need to go there we dont

[gaunt tiger]

ain't plantera set the uhhhhhhhh perennial stuff

[drowsy plank]

@silver mulch spreading is a dont in doc i believe and also you give literally no reasoning for this. why does astral need to spread even

[cobalt pewter]

[small timber]

that will just make it more annoying to deal with yes

[bright crag]

Which is why 5-helmet sets suck and we need to make armors more unique

[silver mulch]

To line up with the Lore.

[gaunt tiger]

mhm!

it might also make every class have a slightly different desired boss order

[cobalt pewter]

this is objective

[bright crag]

I hope you'll find the Aerialite ones cool

[swift wharf]

the monkey paw curls, there are now 5 victide armor sets

[cobalt pewter]

armors are GOOD when they GOOD

and not cookie cutter 5 helmet bs

[cobalt pewter]

FUCK

[cosmic karma]

is there any lore that says it spreads

[swift wharf]

GAH TERRARIA COOKIE CUTTERS

[bright crag]

Is it worth the annoyance?

[gaunt tiger]

obsidian armor, my beloved

[swift wharf]

it does spread it is just very rare

😊

[bright crag]

(I don't think so, and consider that I'm a lorewriter)

[cobalt pewter]

astral infection should spread to your pc....

and your room

[gaunt tiger]

astral infection ruined my tundra mansion and I'm still pissed off about it

I will die mad

[golden sonnet]

Clentaminator:

[gaunt tiger]

no I mean

[hybrid steeple]

astral infection should spread into a cool biome design

[gaunt tiger]

it RUINED my tundra mansion

[drowsy plank]

spread should be killed in general
unless it is my awsome cool idea of hive being regeneratable by spreading into mahogany wood cause the bees are colonizing the tree 😎

also how did it manage to land on a house
shouldnt npcs block meteor spawns

[golden sonnet]

👁️👄👁️

[drowsy plank]

that literally should not be possible

[gaunt tiger]

yep : )

it really shouldn't

[golden sonnet]

You see, the meteor is the 25 blocks from the house, the altar isn't

[drowsy plank]

i dont

[golden sonnet]

So the meteor was a valid spawn, and then the altar said fuck you

[bright crag]

I think it would be cool if Astral mobs could convert regular mobs into Astral variants
It's spread, but not as invasive

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[bright crag]

(Also yes, the altar has no rules)
(That should change eventually)

[swift wharf]

astral if it interacted with the enviroment instead of being evil 3

[gaunt tiger]

so they could grief the underground ice even more

astral when it removes underground ice:

[drowsy plank]

@plucky glacier i dont think this is enough reasoning and also lag is not. a good reason to rework a weapon. ive seen people lag from like. having a worm on screen and removing all the worm bosses is just not something that's going to happen because some people have bad PCs

[swift wharf]

trolled

[plucky glacier]

I have a 3070 and my game gets framy whenever using

[swift wharf]

what projectile are you talking about

[drowsy plank]

earth appearntly

[plucky glacier]

the earth rain projectile specifically

[drowsy plank]

are you using cal with a lot of other mods or anything

[swift wharf]

huh

[plucky glacier]

no even in just vanilla calam

on single targets its not terrible

but with events like final acid rain tier it can get messy

[golden sonnet]

On hit effects should have a very small cooldown, avalanche, earth, etc are all problematic

[plucky glacier]

yeah

it spawns like 5 projectiles for every enemy hit

and then the projectiles split into 3

[swift wharf]

OH i'm dumb

I was thinking of earth elemental for some reason

[golden sonnet]

I would rework your suggestion to be more about this though

[plucky glacier]

its not a super major issue but it just feels kind of jank

[golden sonnet]

As it isn't really about reworking earth, as it's not the only one with an issue

[drowsy plank]

there are a lot of better ways to handle this yeah

you wanna know a funny one

carnage is actually really good once it gets fodder to kill

[plucky glacier]

I didn't really consider the other weapons cuz I have a powerful pc and I don't lag with those

[golden sonnet]

Try avalanche on a worm boss, it will probably lag you too

[swift wharf]

tenebrous tides

[golden sonnet]

Tenebreus isn't that bad for me tbh

[gaunt tiger]

hey how come it's not allowed to suggest adding a leviathan spawn item

or I guess why isn't that a thing already

[swift wharf]

it's not allowed to suggest a use item to summon boss type of summon and that is before killing levi

[small timber]

iirc reason is just the dev don't want to make the few boss with unique spawn to just end up being "click to summon"

[swift wharf]

suggesting a way to summon levi after killing the boss is fine tho

iirc

[gaunt tiger]

bit weird since it's just "drink a zerg potion and wait 10-60 seconds"
which isn't at all unique, and is a little bit cringe

but I don't care enough to die on that hill, just saying

besides other mods add in an item for it

[swift wharf]

infernum adds a summon item because it's a boss centered mod

same with skeletron and empress

[quiet kernel]

Yet another suggestion

Why is there so many today

[atomic shell]

it would be so awesome

it would be so cool

[swift wharf]

@silver mulch No.

[golden sonnet]

It's ok, none of them will go through

[swift wharf]

anyways cringe suggestion as I was saying

you're gonna have a lot of attempts on those bosses

so infernum gives you a summon for that

and fargo is fargo it has a npc that sells summons

[random talon]

For the love of god, I made ONE not too bad suggestion and all of the sudden it's clown world in the posting channel

[gaunt tiger]

rev is pretty tricky sometimes too

but I know what you mean

[swift wharf]

nah I do agree that having to zerg is cring

[random talon]

maybe have an item that summons a ???

[bright crag]

I'm more and more convinced that Zerg and Zen might be problematic

[swift wharf]

why zen?

[gaunt tiger]

good take
W take

[bright crag]

Zen in Abyss:

[gaunt tiger]

zen is redundant because of boss zen being added too

[swift wharf]

not rlly

[gaunt tiger]

god bless boss zen

[swift wharf]

what about when you're not fighting abyss

a byss

a boss

[gaunt tiger]

vanilla added peace candles

[swift wharf]

anyways just make zen not work in the abyss

[gaunt tiger]

in 1.4.3

[bright crag]

Zen seems a bit extreme
Calming is already as much help as you should get

[swift wharf]

maybe we should make a pearl themed accessory increase the spawnrates of the lure . . . . .

[bright crag]

Zerg is definitely extreme

[swift wharf]

!wiki enchanted pearl

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Enchanted_Pearl

[swift wharf]

. . . . . ..

[gaunt tiger]

correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't calming stack with happy! and peace candle

[bright crag]

I think so

[swift wharf]

yes

but are you gonna bring sunflowers everywhere

[bright crag]

There's also Tranquility/Chaos Candles, which are buffed Peace/Water Candles

Isn't that enough

[gaunt tiger]

I put sunflowers in all my arenas because Happy! is really really strong

[plucky glacier]

what happened to the draedon remote

why was it removed

[gaunt tiger]

and in all my towns for spawn rates

[swift wharf]

candles are sationary

or you need to hold them

[gaunt tiger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

what about when you're mining or exploring

[gaunt tiger]

then you should have to fight things

[bright crag]

Calming and Battle absolutely are enough

[gaunt tiger]

game are not boss rush

[swift wharf]

true actually

the double edged sword of calamity not wanting to be a boss rush but also hive arena

[bright crag]

Zerg goes to a point where it's a money dispenser and a summoning ritual for rare mobs

[golden sonnet]

I hate hive arena so much, I do not care if there is lore, it is ugly and out of place

[swift wharf]

IT HAS LORE?????????

[bright crag]

Ehhhhh

[plucky glacier]

yes

[gaunt tiger]

"drop rate can be low because zerg exists" isn't exactly healthy either

[plucky glacier]

THERE WAS ACTULALY A BEE DRAGON

[swift wharf]

[bright crag]

Hive lore is that people used to make housing around Hives
It's not exclusive to the big hive

[plucky glacier]

why so many dragons in the new lore

[bright crag]

(Literally 2 named dragons)

[swift wharf]

kid named implied dragons:

anyways byeah imo zerg is way more problematic than zen

[bright crag]

(Which don't even have much presence)

[swift wharf]

(now can we kill the hive

[bright crag]

Zerg is objectively more problematic

[gaunt tiger]

zen is just a little bit redundant

[bright crag]

But I think both shouldn't exist

[bright crag]

We are reviewing the necessity of the hive

[dull kite]

zerg is like using journey mode spawn rates but it's more consistent and therefore superior

[swift wharf]

actually yeah zen is kinda redundant because summons

[plucky glacier]

please god never remove zerg my beloved

I dont want the grind

[gaunt tiger]

nooo but I love the hive

I hate having to spend 1000 years digging out a bee pit

[swift wharf]

skull

the game doesnt need to be a boss rush

[dull kite]

try: journey mode!
(TIP: you can still play master/rev/death/infernum in journey mode!)

[swift wharf]

[bright crag]

Some devs (like myself) feel like it doesn't need to be there

Some devs really like it

So

[bright crag]

Vernal Pass when

[plucky glacier]

journey mode is like a lobotomized version

no

[bright crag]

It's an arena

[dense ferry]

If the Hive stays I wanted to do something with it

[swift wharf]

I WAS WAITING FOR THE VERNAL PASS MENTION

[gaunt tiger]

oh vernal pass is base cal? I thought it was infernum

[glass arch]

journey mode my beloved

[swift wharf]

LMAo

[bright crag]

Yes, Vernal Pass is base Cal

[gaunt tiger]

I can't tell anymore man

[swift wharf]

infernum has a big ass hole in the jungle for the bosses too

[bright crag]

Had*

[glass arch]

its literally in changelogs

[swift wharf]

zamn

[plucky glacier]

what is vernal pass

[swift wharf]

!wiki vernal pass

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Biomes#Vernal_Pass
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page vernal pass for a direct link or !wiki search vernal pass for a list of all hits.

[swift wharf]

[dense ferry]

Byeah about this lmao

[plucky glacier]

oh

[gaunt tiger]

infernum has so many features that should be in base cal, it's really silly sometimes

blech

[swift wharf]

like good bos

[plucky glacier]

ok fax

[swift wharf]

i mean anyways

[bright crag]

I hope the Hive isn't the epicenter of the Plague
Combat and exploration in it are as shallow as can be, in HM

[gaunt tiger]

like astrum aureus making me not want to KILL MYS-

[bright crag]

Just
Big room

[glass arch]

you also have to consider infernum devs dont have to worry about everything like basecal does

[swift wharf]

the blissful ignorance

[bright crag]

This

[gaunt tiger]

[dense ferry]

Of course Dragons are important they are literally the entire backstory of the Calamity universe

[swift wharf]

the inner peace of being an infernum dev

[gaunt tiger]

may they rest in peace

[swift wharf]

FREE at last

now we await for dom game

[plucky glacier]

ok but fr the sunken sea resprites

are sick

[dense ferry]

That's like saying "why are the Demigods so important in Elden Ring"

[gaunt tiger]

oh hey my modmail got closed but I still didn't get a reply
and I still can't submit that bug

fun!

[swift wharf]

when the mod centered about dragons talks about dragons

[swift wharf]

(we literally have no clue why it happens)

[dense ferry]

It's beyond us

[gaunt tiger]

😦

[dense ferry]

^

[bright crag]

And it's not done talking about dragons :)

[swift wharf]

blame reb for not replying iirc

[dense ferry]

FUCK YOU

[gaunt tiger]

rebecca how could you

[swift wharf]

😇

[drowsy plank]

[dense ferry]

I do think we should talk a little bit less about them, I don't want to make so many background characters

[gaunt tiger]

I solved the actual issue anyway it was an update to stars above that bricked my world

[drowsy plank]

cal old lore 2 (daedalus, ignalius, etc.)

[gaunt tiger]

moar silva lore
inject it straight into my veins plz + thx

[bright crag]

I mean, all I'll talk about is Vetrasyl
The rest is completely general :p

[dense ferry]

Well, at least the ones we do mention are fundamental yeah

Vetrasyl is literally the reason behind the Sky Islands

[plucky glacier]

is cynosure yharim

[gaunt tiger]

petition for AEW to be subtitled as "shade of silva" or "husk of silva"?

[drowsy plank]

all of the lore items are yharim

[gaunt tiger]

🥺

[glass arch]

daedalus more like deadalus

[drowsy plank]

real

[swift wharf]

petition to KILL aew

[glass arch]

so true

[drowsy plank]

i dont think AEW has any connection to Silva

[swift wharf]

jane silva will kill you instead

ghost of jane silva

[drowsy plank]

besides
being an animal that lives in the abyss

[swift wharf]

JANE DA SILVA

🔥 ✍️

[gaunt tiger]

ain't all of the abyss creatures silva's creations

[hybrid steeple]

no

[dense ferry]

No

[swift wharf]

silva isnt the name it's the last name

[bright crag]

And I don't think we'll need any more named dragons

Zeratros is the King of Dragons
Yharon is ingame and Yharim's companion
Vetrasyl is the cornerstone of the most dragon-centered area outside the Aerie

[plucky glacier]

let me rephrase

[swift wharf]

ghost of maria da silva the dryad kills you

[plucky glacier]

is cynosure a yharim boss teaser 💀

[drowsy plank]

yes

[gaunt tiger]

then silva is just like the spooky ghost of the abyss itself?

[dense ferry]

Yeah that's about it

Silva is there

Somewhat

[swift wharf]

plant entity

👁️

[gaunt tiger]

life deity

[swift wharf]

the contraption

[gaunt tiger]

so I figured it wasn't a stretch that the abyss life is their making

[swift wharf]

planty mush might as well be from her tbh

[dense ferry]

Silva is the reason they exist but she didn't create them directly

Her presence simply allowed their existance

[drowsy plank]

the abyss is more like the strawberry battlefield from steven universe where all the people fuckin dying there let the life overdevelop there

[gaunt tiger]

does the silva armor set use abyss materials? 🤔

[drowsy plank]

ye it uses planty mush

[gaunt tiger]

it does!!!!

[drowsy plank]

which is explictly silva related

[gaunt tiger]

that is the good shit

that's the dark souls hollow knight super metroid shit I want in my life

[plucky glacier]

brimstone elms theme makes no sense with the new lore

[hybrid steeple]

what

[gaunt tiger]

resprite inc

[dense ferry]

What

[hybrid steeple]

speaking of the abyss and silva

[bright crag]

Also, Reb
What do you think of Zerg and Zen?
Thinking of making a suggestion to delete them, since Zerg seems to be an extreme potion for super money farming/forcing rare mobs to spawn
Zen is also extreme, and can be a "fuck enemies" card

[dense ferry]

Zerg is fucking useless nowadays

[hybrid steeple]

that one conversation in lore discussion about making abyss layer 4 a massive, uninhabited underwater city carved out by silva's roots
im still thinking about that

[bright crag]

There are other, less extreme ways of affecting spawns

[cobalt pewter]

I don't

what?

[dense ferry]

It's literally just better to trigger a Blood Moon

[drowsy plank]

i guess the idea is "left alone" not connected to her characterization anymore but roar of the jungle dragon isn't accurate either anyway so eh

[bright crag]

??? How

[cobalt pewter]

how is zerg more consistent than journey powers

[plucky glacier]

I use blood moon and zerg at the same time for insane spawnrates

[cobalt pewter]

actually fuckin tell me

or I'll burn this place down

[dense ferry]

Doesn't waste any resources and provides you the same effects

Zen isn't needed at all either but definitely keep it for the Bosses

[dull kite]

Burn it

[glass arch]

blood moon is only like that in death mode

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[gaunt tiger]

blood moon is fucking obnoxious

[dense ferry]

Honestly you can very very easily just

[drowsy plank]

zerg is nice for whenever you want to grind something that isn't at night or dont want blood moon spawns diluting the pool
zen is nice for building ESP hellbridge

[dense ferry]

Change the difficulty

[hybrid steeple]

true

[swift wharf]

blood moon having extreme spawnrates is an issue

[cobalt pewter]

change of plans, too much bystanders

I'll just 🔫

[glass arch]

like yeah theres a spawn rate and cap increase in all modes but it never goes to zerg level outside of death mode

[swift wharf]

it doesnt make the event hard it just makes farming easy

[dense ferry]

Since it's not even item locked now you can just open the UI and do it for the night

[cobalt pewter]

blood moon is fine in rev no?

it's just stupid in death for some reason

[swift wharf]

death is an issue

yes

[gaunt tiger]

aye

[dense ferry]

I like Blood Moon insane spawn rates

[swift wharf]

dumb fucking insane spawn rates

[cobalt pewter]

yeah idk death revamp is never coming

[swift wharf]

does not make the event hard at all

[gaunt tiger]

sometimes I like building towns in my playthroughs and blood moon interferes with that

[swift wharf]

it's worse zerg for that matter

[gaunt tiger]

L me 😦

[cobalt pewter]

it's still "rev but a tiny bit more" atm

[swift wharf]

conceptually worse

[glass arch]

anyways
blood moons dont work for everything

[swift wharf]

they indeed do not
see: events

[gaunt tiger]

if only there was another difficulty mode that added new patterns to the bosses

[dense ferry]

Because you can come up with some funny strategies to escape the problems and it's quite fun to slaughter hundreds of enemies

[swift wharf]

! !

[cobalt pewter]

Bloody Mary should only apply when you're actively participating in Blood Moon

[glass arch]

sometimes i want to farm daytime enemies instead of 20,000 blood zombies

[gaunt tiger]

that's right kids let's bring back malice mode

[cobalt pewter]

FUC

[hybrid steeple]

as if malice mode wasnt just death 2

[gaunt tiger]

I liked the environment effects in death mode what happened to that

[hybrid steeple]

stat stick modes
sure are a game design

[glass arch]

malice was just Death 2: Speedy And Pissed

[dense ferry]

Anyways since I'm feeling funny

Give me a second actually

[swift wharf]

id rather have stat buffed blood moon enemies than deep rock galactic hazard 5 swarm

[cobalt pewter]

when will we get roguelike modes that let you spend money for wacky alternative modes

[bright crag]

I think Death Blood Moon is meh
I would prefer if it was like Spirit, and had that one actually menacing mob

[drowsy plank]

i agree but if you wanted to keep the dumb spawnrates you could just hardmode/postML lock it too

[swift wharf]

or like give death blood moon enemies DIFFICULT patterns

[glass arch]

NO

[swift wharf]

instead of el stat bloat

YES

[cobalt pewter]

death blood moon should just be all dreadnautiluses

[swift wharf]

so true oomfie

[glass arch]

hell

actually hell

[dull kite]

shit the more i think about this the more i agree

not for the same reason at all but

[dense ferry]

Moray Eel
Sulflounder
Toxicatfish
Toxic Minnow
Luminous Corvina
Laserfish
Oarfish
Viperfish

I will give you the Bestiary Entry for one of these

[cobalt pewter]

I don't like Zerg and Zen because they're cheap, extreme solutions to Everything enemy related that you get fairly early on

[gaunt tiger]

Viperfish

[glass arch]

zergs and zen are fine to me but i also dont need to farm a shit ton because Habble's farm is fucking broken

[dense ferry]

@hybrid steeple you are probably the most interested one here so

[dull kite]

i dont think it's a bad thing to have as an option per-se (as i believe that choice should be up to the player) but now that 1.4 is the standard update for modding people can just turn on journey mode

[cobalt pewter]

make Zerg and Zen endgame

[bright crag]

Yeah, basically my stance

[dense ferry]

Actually I should bring this up in Lore Disc

[cobalt pewter]

journey mode is actually gamer

[drowsy plank]

i like zen >=O

[swift wharf]

kill zerg kill bloodmoon spawnrates 😈

[hybrid steeple]

well i know toxicatfish is guaranteed to be a banger so thats a safe choice
i dont recognize all of these enemies one sec

[drowsy plank]

until the hell generation rework is done building a bridge for WoF would be absolute ass without zen

[dull kite]

journey mode spawn rates = 0x there is your zen potion >:)

[bright crag]

Wouldn't Calming be enough

[cobalt pewter]

the only thing that I want to see from journey right now is the toggle to hide research count

[drowsy plank]

i like to play in modes other than journey

[glass arch]

maybe move them to post plant like the candles (or maybe just stick em in early hardmode to post one mech )

[bright crag]

I found Calming to be pretty effective

[gaunt tiger]

it is
and if in town, add a flower

[swift wharf]

journey has all modes

[dull kite]

yeah literally

you can play everything in journey

[cobalt heath]

isnt frozen fire just lock emoji

[cobalt pewter]

SO TRUE

journey has journey, classic, expert (technically rev and death too), master

actually omnipotent mode

[swift wharf]

so just journey classic expert and cal modes

[cobalt pewter]

indeed.

[cobalt heath]

did bman get bashed for not asking for the donor/dev

[glass arch]

knowing this channel yes

[cobalt heath]

good

[drowsy plank]

he didnt

there were other problems with it anyway

[small timber]

no he get bashed for not even having a solid enough reason to make the suggestion not exclaimed

[cobalt heath]

that's like the part that would have made me angry

[swift wharf]

the sugg is fine it is just worded wrong

[small timber]

if they are to "rework earth" then they should just add an entirely new weapon and dont bother with the donor stuff

[cobalt heath]

earth is a donor item

[cobalt pewter]

economy is an issue on Terraria (and still an issue in cal)

and zerg in particular kinda fucks over any shred of economy along with other things

[small timber]

because earth is literally just a "true melee sword that summon projectile" as its entire identity

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah economy is a tall task to fix

[small timber]

just like how elemental excalibur is literally just "terra blade but end game"

[drowsy plank]

earth is dev actually so it's fine but also no one gives a fuck about dev items rn

[swift wharf]

dev item

and yeah zerg contributes to the platinum issue

[undone holly]

tbh nearly any mass spawn rate boosting item obliterates the economy

[cobalt heath]

is earth even on the team anymore

[small timber]

the solution is clearly to make zerg last 1 minute and cost 5 plat to make

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[cobalt pewter]

considering that whoever decided that making potions and fuckin food should be purchasable from the inherently broken NPC shop probably doesn't even care about economy all that much

[small timber]

and take 200% increased damage too

[cobalt pewter]

I'm just guh

[cobalt pewter]

yeeeess

[cobalt heath]

so it's tomorrow when we can estimate the dev server votes to come?

[small timber]

because making food more accessible is indeed better than trying to get 0.5% apple pie drop or something

NPC shop is not ideal but it is better than absolutely the vanilla way

[golden sonnet]

I kinda disagree, it's just removing the few remaining reasons to make farms

[cobalt pewter]

both are just bad to me :lol:

but yeah

[cobalt heath]

who the fuck likes to fish tbh

[swift wharf]

kill potion shops kill them all rip and tear

[bright crag]

Chaos/Water Candles + Battle Potion:

[small timber]

food should be more accessible, just vanilla for some reason tied it to an endless grind; while cal one is abit boring but it does the job

[golden sonnet]

Mean nothing if the food doesn't drop?????

[bright crag]

Food?