suggestions-discussion

[bright crag]

Tho tbf
I think Draedon made Yharim's Auric armor quite before he made Exo Prisms

[dense ferry]

I'm pretty sure Draedon didn't make his armor, tho?

[random talon]

then Draedon pulls up with his Miracle Matter lmao

[bright crag]

Miracle Matter is player-made

[random talon]

oh

[bright crag]

According to what?

I'm fairly sure he did

[dense ferry]

Because Auric is just so fucking good there isn't really anything he could do to improve it past a few incredibly minor things

Also because yeah he can't really use it

[bright crag]

Exo Mechs are supposed to be funished within the timeframe of the game so Exo Prisms must be relatively recent

[dense ferry]

Uhum

Imo he made them like

A few months before you rolled around and found its uses and refined them

And being Draedon, of course, he saw you as the perfect opportunity to use Exo Prisms with weapons

[bright crag]

Agreed

[dense ferry]

Byeah this is why I think one of the very few things Draedon did with Yharim's Auric Armor was to

Give it stuffing

[glass arch]

we get friendzoned by a bar of metal

for the most recent sugg uhh
isnt scal's equivalent to MM exhuming/enchanting

[kindred creek]

yeah, but for the most part enchanting tends to downgrade weapons and is not worth it.

it is also modifying weapons you already have, not giving you new ones,

i also mentioned exhuming in my suggestion

[north oracle]

tbh i'd prefer to suggest to give rogue, melee, and ranger some exhumed weapons

[undone cedar]

The exhumes are basically new weapons

[grim tusk]

We should add ashes of anhilation crafts (besides furniture) to Frequently Suggested tbh

[north oracle]

SCal already has a cool way to get new weapons after beating her

[drowsy plank]

this already passed

[north oracle]

lmao

[undone cedar]

fr

[drowsy plank]

@kindred creek

[north oracle]

good job cog

[grim tusk]

I think I have a rough draft of what a rogue ashes craft could be but it involves having to rework a bunch of weapons first but those weapons need other stuff to get reworked first so

[north oracle]

just rework the whole mod smh

[grim tusk]

Theres way more stuff earlier in the backlog anyways so

[ripe owl]

Shade's a busy shady man

[royal tapir]

🔥✍️

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell thoughts on this? ill be honest there's only been a couple of these, but considering it already passed i suppose it is a valid consideration. idk

[kindred creek]

has it been looked at on the dev server or no? Like is it confirmed?

[golden sonnet]

No, it only has the checkmark which means it does not a have a verdict

You can see that on the suggestion

[wide river]

A lot of suggestions are at that point
They've been forwarded to the dev server, but no voting has been done regarding it

[kindred creek]

should I delete mine then?

[golden sonnet]

I don't think it technically breaks rules as repeat suggestions are only against the rules if there is one currently in voting, but I would personally say just delete it and wait for the devs to give a verdict on the other one

[drowsy plank]

yeah there's nothing wrong with it but generally it's suggested to just wait for the other
tho
tbf that one is VERY old at this point

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, that's fair

If it hasn't been voted on yet it probably never will be tbh

So it might be good as a reminder

[kindred creek]

aight, added it back

[golden sonnet]

Sorry for the conflicting opinions from me lmao, didn't realize how old it was

[small timber]

most of them have way too powerful upside that they had to be nerfed, the rest like tainted are weak because they are straight up bugged

[kindred creek]

yeah, as as such go unused

i don't think iv ever used enchantments asside from when they came out to see what they were

i have used exhumed items

[small timber]

most of them are definitely very powerful (excluding the bugged ones, those can only wait for fix), or most of them just straight up have a downside that do not matter

the problem with enchantment is less that "they are bad", but more that "you use it against 1 boss"

assuming you haven't beat exo before scal, otherwise the only time you use enchant is against Boss Rush

[errant bobcat]

The distance based ones and the one that turns sword into true melee I know are decent

On ranger especially the distance ones are good

Shotguns/voidragon you go bloodthirsty and on sniper you go the long distance one I forget the name of

[wide river]

Resentful is the one that increases damage when you're farther away

[errant bobcat]

Yes that one

[novel belfry]

i remembered that one random suggestion about having calamitas show up before her fight as an npc, to hype her up and other stuff

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
As a side note, Fairies won't always be detected due to how the Lifeform Analyzer works.
They only have a rarity level of 2, and the Lifeform Analyzer displays whatever rare creature has the highest rarity level. Unfortunately, this is still high enough to make any bound NPCs not show up, as well as enemies such as Gnomes, Martian Probes, and some of the rare post-Plantera Dungeon enemies

[atomic shell]

still very annoying imotbh

[wide river]

It would be nice to get that changed, yea

[frosty trellis]

Bugged ones:

• Hellbound
• Tainted
  (Both do not scale with damage so outside of rippers you can do literally nothing to buff their dps)

Actually good enchantments:

• Oblatory (Even after the nerf it's free damage on a lot of stuff)
• Resentful (But somewhat limited in use, very good on AEW)
• Bloodthirsty (Limited in use but less so)
• Aflame (It's literally free damage with minimal cost)

Enchantments that are good/very good but are generally not super consistent or don't have a large benefit

• Traitorous (The demon can easily miss the target and with low base damage weapons won't really deal a ton, also really only works with weapon that eat your mana and requires chaos stone)
• Withering (Extremely hard to use effectively due to the Very Large Downside with the enchantment but has a strong upside if you can make it work)
• Epheremal (Managing the bar can get annoying and is not good with anything with a fast usetime, and the fight will last longer than the bar drains by far)
• Persecuted (Portals are stationary, while boss rush/adult eidolon wyrm and exos are very mobilty focused so it's not consistent unless you kill the portal immediately after it spawns and know it is spawning)

Enchantments that do basically nothing:

• Lecherous: Too bulky and too hard to control for not enough reward and requires you to know the timing of what is considered "too quick"
• Indiginant: Forcing this on summon weapons makes this really bad because of forced targeting swap on little guys that have over 100k HP and giving very minimal benefit while having an annoying risk involved if you have little in the way of defensive accessories or not the most "meta" player, as it can limit builds

Like, the main thing I can see here is that there are 4 generally good enchantments that all have good uses and scale well without being overly limited and then everything else is either too high maintenance or overly specific

[cobalt pewter]

enchantments are just

too early imo

too late*

FUCK

me sleepy

byeah enchantments are far too late in progression, at least with how current cal is

I am pizza

now that message looks dumb

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[cobalt pewter]

byeah

what are you gonna even use enchs on

exos? probably

yharim? non-existent yet

boss rush? pff

[north oracle]

[cobalt pewter]

a whole ass system only usable for a fourteenth of bosses in cal

or less

[crisp cobalt]

Is it just me or enchanted starfishes are used up without increasing max mana exactly per items consumed?

and is it a good idea to post this in suggestion to lower its usetime

I've done some tests and it appears that the item have its usetime lowered after the initial usage

[grave zinc]

@hybrid steeple - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the biome restrictions on Providence and the Profaned Guardians]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ornate slate - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Emphasize Importance of Power Cell Factories]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ornate slate]

W

[grave zinc]

@red saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make an item that prevents the cultists from spawning]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ornate slate]

Those who remember the great chat war, we won

[hollow ridge]

Pretty decent batch

[golden tulip]

yes, please, better enchantments

feels like such a waste of a cool system making half of them not worth it and so late in the game

[cobalt heath]

Which one is the big arm

[ripe owl]

@frosty kindle scam

For some reason link bot ignores it

[frosty kindle]

👍

[ripe owl]

Yippee

[hollow shell]

What? No we've barely gotten any of those

I can see literally only one from 4 months ago

on a quick search

[spare nimbus]

has anyone ever suggested having special projectiles/attacks for each weapon during adrenaline/rage

itd probably be a horrible amount of work though

(i havent been on this server since like 2019 please dont rip me to shreds)

[golden sonnet]

Gael's does that already and is kinda it's unique thing, doing it for every weapon would be exhausting

And rogue weapons already have stealth vs spam

Imagine adrenaline stealth, adrenaline spam, normal stealth, normal spam

It would just be too much

[wide river]

Fortunately you didn't raise this idea with more of the suggestion regulars around
Someone would've made a 10 page essay about why that idea is wrong

[glass arch]

yeah the testers would probably die if that happened unfortunately

[spare nimbus]

yeah thats fair enough

[undone cedar]

Its way too much work, which would break one of the suggestion rules

[spare nimbus]

sorry my bad

[glass arch]

s'ok

[golden sonnet]

You didn't post it in the channel, so no reason to apologize

[undone cedar]

yeah its fine

[spare nimbus]

in all honesty i havent played calamity since old duke was added... it was a random thought that occurred when watching a video

[drowsy plank]

luxor's exists

[ornate slate]

we already established that

[wide river]

(I want Luxor's to be reworked so badly)

[glass arch]

its one of the more unique accessories

[ornate slate]

luxors sily

[frosty trellis]

(And it's ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS)

[golden sonnet]

Gael's is?

[frosty trellis]

Yep

It does

No damage

It influences the killtime by such a low amount we might as well forget the mechanic exists

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, Gael's itself is really really good, but I noticed the same thing

The rage effect contributes so little

[night jolt]

I don't think removing the boomerangs is the right play

I think it'd be better to reclassify them as Rouge weapons to fit in with the rest of the boomerangs in the mod would be a better idea if this is really a problem

[wide river]

(Changing the class of vanilla weapons is a no)

[bright crag]

^

Plus, both Melee and Rogue have full-fledged Boomerang subclasses
Not like it's just one or two exception weapons

[peak mulch]

So u guys consider suggestions about "balancing" weapons

[drowsy plank]

no

that's what #1042197406776827914 is for

[peak mulch]

Alr

Oh didnt notice this channel before thanks

[astral jungle]

Is anyone willing to share their mod pack with me? I played calamity already and i wanna play it again but with more mods etc. just to spice things up. im new to modded terraria

[frosty trellis]

#help-advice-read-pins

[random pasture]

Ah luxor's gift

My beloved boss melter

[drowsy plank]

all im hearing is "turn it into even more of the world's most generic melee projectile sword"

mirror blade is only bad rn bc it used to be busted

[north oracle]

Yeah, we don’t need to just make another projectile broadsword

It needs a buff, but it was good before the nerf, so the projectile movement clearly didn’t hurt it that much

(Also it still shreds inf DoG)

[rugged belfry]

Does mirror blade go through walls?

[frosty trellis]

(Did that managed to get fixed or no?)

[stable kiln]

I don't think so, but I believe it'll be alright for the next batch

I did send the suggestions manually in dev and they were discussed and shit

I don't remember what the outcome was

[drowsy plank]

if you mention it here i can apply the outcomes manually

[stable kiln]

sorry I didn't see this until now

and it's hard to really say that there was a vote because there wasn't one, however

the schematic and boss rush one were mainly split so I don't wanna say for either because we obviously as I said didn't have a vote, and as for the rock one it definitely passed

[ornate slate]

Epic rock win

[drowsy plank]

okay so sounds like i should just manually mark rock rarity for implementation and just leave the others alone for now?

[stable kiln]

i'll double check, but i think so

yeah you can do that, ty @drowsy plank

[grave zinc]

@ornate slate - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the rock gray rarity]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

done, thanks for letting me know

[ornate slate]

W

[ornate slate]

wait why is the evil island being removed

i read above

[bright crag]

We voted on it, and the majority voted in favor of it

[swift wharf]

redundancy

[bright crag]

Evil Island is unecessary and, in a way, conflicting with upcoming lore

[wide river]

There's also just far better ways to add a way to get the alternate evil's materials

[bright crag]

Heck, even considering currently public lore, it's weird

[bright crag]

👆

[swift wharf]

cant you just

craft them

because of ectomist and whatnot

oh you can

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Chlorophyte_Extractinator

[ornate slate]

i was more considering the alternate biome chest item

vamp knives, scourge

what will be done with those to make them still available on either kind of world?

[swift wharf]

shimmer 😈

[ornate slate]

is that a thint

thing*

[bright crag]

The vote

[ornate slate]

ah so itll simply just be shimmerable

[swift wharf]

i think at this point you there's not a lot of items of the opposite evil that are not obtainable

other than the obvious chest weapons, what can you not get in the next update

[wide river]

Oh, so that takes care of Demonite/Crimtane and Shadow Scales/Tissue Samples
With the Biome Mimics, Shadow Orbs, and Crimson Heart drops all crafted with Ecto Mist, I think that only leaves Cursed Flames and Ichor

[swift wharf]

i mean

you can summon perfs and hive

[wide river]

(I had meant crafting recipes but you're correct)

[ornate slate]

just add a shimmer recipe, vanilla made it very simple

[swift wharf]

byeah congratulations you have removed all evil biome exclusivity 🙃

[ornate slate]

scourge -> vamp knives & vice versa
cursed flames -> ichor & vice versa

eh vanilla already did it anyways

not a big deal

its more of just removing the annoyance of swapping worlds

[swift wharf]

it's almost like you were meant to swap worlds if you want to get the other gear

but that is fucking dead

cal shot it, vanilla killed it

exclusivity was a nice concept and may it rest in peace

[ornate slate]

rest in pieces hahahaha 420blazedit

[swift wharf]

at least crimson vs corruption discussion is DEAD because you can get the gear from both in the same world

[ornate slate]

its more of which would you rather see more of

personally, i think crimson is cooler

[distant gyro]

the discussion is what would you like generated on your world

[bright crag]

Well, more accurately, what do you want to be part of your pt

World generation is just one aspect

If it was only world generation, I wouldn't be picking Corruption

[distant gyro]

well like

anything can be a part of your pt

including interchangeable corruption items

common debate topics like "corruption is ass to navigate", "red vs purple" or "the music is a jammer" is what i would consider things generated on your world

[drowsy plank]

the only actual exclusive items left are

funnily enough

cal's effigies

lol

[dense locust]

lol

[drowsy plank]

presumably both evil chests will probably(?) be generated as well

cause honestly i dont see any reason vanilla shouldnt do that too

gives a little incentive to using all the graveyard features they added to get the other key anyway lol

[tired haven]

Technically you still should choose because biome mimics are far more obnoxious to get when you need to grind a non-native variant

(also worldgen since some people just can't handle corruption pit style)

[ornate slate]

crimson hand cave is just better

[grim tusk]

Very true

[gaunt tiger]

hey I'm trying to submuit a bug but it keeps saying "error please try again" then locking me out for 15 minutes cos slow mode

[drowsy plank]

I LOVE Discord

@gaunt tiger if you still need help this should probably be a @sonic torrent thing

[gaunt tiger]

mod mail it is

[ripe owl]

You know, I find it weird that you can't shimmer SotC to get VampKnives and vice versa

Like it's so "I need it" that it should be in the game yet it's not

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt really solve the issue in cal considering both of these have upgrade lines xd
but i get what you mean in vanilla

@simple wyvern please read the pins. this isn't possible due to tmod limitations right now.

it is already listed as a suggestion to avoid in the rules

[simple wyvern]

Ok sorry

[drowsy plank]

it's fine

please just check the pins next time

[simple wyvern]

Are they in this channel

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[simple wyvern]

Aight

[drowsy plank]

tbf it is also
the giant message right at the top of posting too
but you get the idea

[stone bloom]

So i have a suggestion though not a very specific one

Some way of summoning all 3 sentinels at once

Theres prob issues there but

Mainly for challenge but also just to be able to farm them more efficiently if theres a drop thats needed from multiple

[crude geode]

I don't really remember needing a drop from multiple, but I may be wrong

[small timber]

they explicitly removed Draedon's Remote which used to summon all 3 mechanical bosses at once

I doubt they will now explicitly add a way to summon all 3 sentinels at once

[crude geode]

that's a bit of a different case tbfh

it's way easier to summon the 3 mechanical bosses at once than it is to summon storm weaver in space, and then go to hell to summon signus

[wispy river]

i have an idea

crafting recipe: soul edge, devils devastation, 5 cores of calamity, 3 ascended spirit essence, 5 ashes of annihilation, 10 ashes of calamity, 5 ruinous souls, and 5 exo prisms ITEM NAME: Devil's Edge/Devil-Edge Greatsword/Rebellion/Souls Devastation/Soul-Edge Devastation. Yes its dmc inspired

[small timber]

sorry what I mean there was more that draedon's remote is an item meant to reflect the "mechanical mayhem" challenge of fighting 3 mech bosses at once; so as they removed the item that automatically make you do so I doubt they will add an item to "add a challenge of fighting all 3 sentinels at once"

especially that their enrage condition are entirely different especially ceaseless void

as for "farming efficiency" just summon 1 kill 1 quickly, there is nearly close to no reason to summon all 3 at once and kill them even with off-tier weapon because they have drastically different resistance, eg: Ceaseless Void have immune phase, Storm Weaver delete projectiles in Phase 1 and only damaged at tails

and this one I am not 100% sure about but I thought they are gonna make the 3 sentinels have less connection with each other and with DoG?

for the new lore

[small timber]

that is a type of suggestion that is disallowed called "Specific Item Suggestion"

as in you suggest to add an item with specific crafting recipe, effect, name etc

[wispy river]

ik

[stone bloom]

And dungeon for void

But fair enough. Bit of a shot in the dark.

[crude geode]

that sounds incredibly wack

[stone bloom]

Also yeah i did forget about thay

[cobalt heath]

E

[last spoke]

Sorry for any spelling mistakes, feel free to ask questions

[random talon]

I think your suggestion is pretty cool. It reminds me of how Signus can be seen in the Profaned Temple in Infernum

[last spoke]

Thanks, infernum was actually my main inspiration!

[hybrid steeple]

when the infernum is outdated lore

[last spoke]

Yeah..

[dense ferry]

I don't want Cal to be encountered directly

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[dense ferry]

I don't think it would fit her

[last spoke]

Oh, really?

Well, then. Shall I delete? 😭

[hybrid steeple]

she should have just as good foreshadowing as draedon (or at least close, i dont think its even possible to have as much or more foreshadowing as draedon without literally being yharim)

but it shouldnt be in-person encounters

[last spoke]

Yeah, the foreshadowing was my main concern

[dense ferry]

I want Cal to feel like a looming threat, someone that feels almost like a legend, hearing about her from everyone. She is never treated as a person, but as a natural disaster, someone people talk about in fear, quietly, afraid that maybe she could be listening.

[random talon]

I think the in-person encounters could work if implemented correctly

[dense ferry]

Nah it's good, I'm just one of the writers

[swift wharf]

mod of redemption omega dude that talks to you when you kill certain bossess

i mean it is kinda specific as a suggestion imo

[glass arch]

girus?

[swift wharf]

prob

[last spoke]

That was my biggest fair

[random talon]

The idea of an NPC giving you lore isn't owned by MoR bruh

[swift wharf]

ik

[last spoke]

I tried to make it as non specific as possible but I could only do so much

[swift wharf]

thats not what i meant

[hybrid steeple]

when the draedon gets 6 bosses, 6 unique structures, custom furniture sets before his apearance, critters, an entire questline, the logs, the schematics, and a weapon set that stays with you throughout your progression

[random talon]

Yes

[swift wharf]

byea the sugg is p much boiled down to "give scal more foreshadowing"

[last spoke]

Ah ok.

[last spoke]

Yeah

[random talon]

and the best pre-SCal weapons in the game

Exoblade makes Cal look like:

[dense ferry]

SCal also has the best Pre-Exo Mechs weapons in the game

[hybrid steeple]

and by 6 bosses i mean 6 bosses without counting the exo mechs

[last spoke]

I just want her to feel like she’s there the whole time, rather then a “she did something awhile ago”

[random talon]

I fought Exos before SCal

[hybrid steeple]

^^^^^

[random talon]

it was actually very fun

[dense ferry]

I do the same, it's just that saying their drops are good isn't really an argument

[glass arch]

pre scal exos and pre exos scal both give unique benefits

[random talon]

Wait, we're arguing about this???

[last spoke]

😭

[swift wharf]

when the item that drops from the alternate boss is good against the other boss

[dense ferry]

Byeah, SCal needs more foreshadowing considering how much Draedon gets

[gaunt tiger]

what if they weren't on the same tier

🤔

[dense ferry]

But I don't want it to be direct

[last spoke]

Agreed

[swift wharf]

i would kill you

[hybrid steeple]

imo, it should be something like encountering a natural disaster site at first
you shouldnt even know she's a person at first

[swift wharf]

anyways draedon needs less things

[dense ferry]

I mean

[last spoke]

Fair

[swift wharf]

please cancel the 3 diggers

[hybrid steeple]

and then as you discover more about her you realize one person did this

[random talon]

Draedon taking all the foreshadowing be like:

[dense ferry]

Sunken Sea Rework is coming

[gaunt tiger]

I really like the infernum touch, of after you kill brimstone elemental

[dense ferry]

And so is Crags rework

[last spoke]

😍

[hybrid steeple]

draedon getting 3 new minibosses AND the draete

[gaunt tiger]

she plants a rose in the crags

[dense ferry]

That's TWO places where we can go all in with Cal

[random talon]

another rework?

[last spoke]

Main inspiration actually

[swift wharf]

crags isnt finished

[hybrid steeple]

"another"

that

was basically the preview for the actual rework

[random talon]

oh

I see

[swift wharf]

i mean we already got a rework it is just a tweak of the rework

funny semantics not important anyways

yea give scal more foreshadowing and draedon less thankss

(we dont need 3 more worms)

((3 mech worms*))

[gaunt tiger]

wow ok fuck me I guess

[random talon]

worms

[swift wharf]

huh

[random talon]

[swift wharf]

that's from terraria 1.3

[gaunt tiger]

I'm having the same problem

[dense ferry]

Byeah Cal will essentially get

[swift wharf]

oh lo

[dense ferry]

Two entire biomes dedicated to her foreshadowing

[gaunt tiger]

also I can't submit a bug report, because bug reports is bugged
and nobody replied to my modmail

L me

[random talon]

damn

[gaunt tiger]

huge

[last spoke]

Yippee!!!

[dense ferry]

I thought Cog DMed you?

Huh

[gaunt tiger]

nop

[random talon]

I got a bug recently where the abandoned snow outpost thing generated in the sky

[hybrid steeple]

at least its something
i hope calclone leans more into scal foreshadowing than draedon foreshadowing too

[gaunt tiger]

also when I alt f4 out of the game steam thinks tml is still open?

[swift wharf]

((we have no fucking clue how to fix it))

[random talon]

that's ok

it was funny lmao

[hybrid steeple]

it does that for everything if you dont use the stop button

just click the stop button and itll fix it

[random talon]

the outpost was just like "fuck this shit I'm out"

[dense ferry]

It will definitely work equally for both

[gaunt tiger]

might inspire you rebecca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzMfSEqtjAA

[last spoke]

Well, I have go now, let me know how it goes.

[dense ferry]

Considering Clone was created after PBG, if we got for example a Log about it

[gaunt tiger]

false witch

[hybrid steeple]

infernum

[swift wharf]

do they know

do they know

infernum cal lore is

[dense ferry]

Then we would get not only a glimpse of Draedon's true self, but also an indepth explanation of Calamitas powers

[swift wharf]

WAY different than the official lore

[gaunt tiger]

it's not canon yea

official lore still has calclone as a clone inside a robot shell

[swift wharf]

shoutout to jban for putting his design on infernum fight it healed my soul

[gaunt tiger]

it's a really good design

it got rejected in calart right?

[swift wharf]

no

[glass arch]

it was never submitted iir

[hybrid steeple]

its an iban design

[swift wharf]

he didnt want cal to use his design

after he left the team

[gaunt tiger]

a man who knows what he wants

you can respect that

[swift wharf]

all of his future ideas that is

would be funny if he took his current stuff

[glass arch]

would be BASED as HELL tbh

[swift wharf]

IT WOULD

[gaunt tiger]

he wah?

[swift wharf]

10x funnier if the others did it too

ok so basically iban and other 20 devs left the team
iban (and other devs but i will refer to him only) did not want his future designs to be used by cal (see: ravager implementation) so cal cannot use them

[gaunt tiger]

dom and company

yeah

[swift wharf]

the kool kids

[gaunt tiger]

I know the story, and don't think it's appropriate to discuss it here shall we say

[hybrid steeple]

?

no?

[swift wharf]

explaining it is fine

[gaunt tiger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

putting more wood on the drama isnt

if you're not going haha dead mod xd you're fine

[dense ferry]

^

Which is infact not dead

Not at all

Buuuuut damage rework existed

[hybrid steeple]

"dead mod" mfs when from the ashes update

[swift wharf]

now let's see paul allen's point of view in broskies

[gaunt tiger]

how I heard it doesn't reflect well on the calamity mod team, and I wasn't there
so I don't want to speak as if I was

[swift wharf]

1.4.5 finna kill every mod

[hybrid steeple]

every time a mod dev has a cool idea re-logic make another update

[dense ferry]

If TMod doesn't pull a ridiculous code rework it's not gonna be that bad tbh

[swift wharf]

watch as relogic itself pulls out the tile rework

no more tmodloader

[gaunt tiger]

[dense ferry]

Byeah currently things are a bit on hold because of the port

[hybrid steeple]

a bit

[swift wharf]

play black reliquary instead

[gaunt tiger]

how many "final updates" are we on atm

like 5 or 6?

[dense ferry]

I think 11

[glass arch]

like 5

[swift wharf]

,

oops

[dense ferry]

Ok 11 is too high

[gaunt tiger]

I vividly remember "terraria lives" happening when I was in 9th grade

that was the crimson patch

[hybrid steeple]

wasnt like

skeletron being added supposed to be the final update

[glass arch]

probably

[gaunt tiger]

hardmode update was meant to be the last one

hence "terraria lives"

[hybrid steeple]

re-logic addicted to final updates

[glass arch]

wof, then mechs, then duke, then plant, then golem -> ml etc. etc. etc.

[hybrid steeple]

just one more final update then ill stop i promise

[random talon]

just one more update

[dense ferry]

Byeah that's about it

[gaunt tiger]

mm

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message flowey

[gray nebula]

living in the timeline where people start saying SWC instead of scal...

[swift wharf]

iban appearing everytime someone mentions his name

[gray nebula]

I swear this time it wasn't because of that

sugg posting is one of the only channels here I have unmuted cuz it's funny to see suggs (especially the ones that break the rules

[glass arch]

posting is a gem sometimes

[atomic shell]

they made the new name specifically so you can still call her scal grrr

[hybrid steeple]

scal when acal through rcal walk in

[atomic shell]

“ruh roh” -rupreme calamitas

[ashen warren]

But scal won't be the final boss ?

[dense ferry]

No

[ashen warren]

So them saying it's possible the final boss is objectively incorrect

[glass arch]

no but yharim isnt coming for ages

[ashen warren]

Does it matter?

[glass arch]

yes

yes it does

[ashen warren]

Why

[glass arch]

because until yharim is released scal and exos are the final bosses

and should be treated accordingly

[ashen warren]

But that doesn't mean we should build around that

[dense ferry]

We aren't

[ashen warren]

Because they are the final bosses right now, but they shouldn't be

[glass arch]

they wont be
not forever

[ashen warren]

Exactly

[glass arch]

but until then they should be treated as the final bosses because that is currently what they are

[hybrid steeple]

so theres this dont on the document

[hollow shell]

Ok but SCal and Draedon are still considered equivalent bosses and lore figures even if they don't remain the "final" bosses forecer

And as it stands, Draedon has way way more foreshadowing than SCal does

[dense ferry]

^

[glass arch]

yeah that too

draedon has probably the most foreshadowing out of any boss

[dense ferry]

Draedon and SCal having little foreshadowing because they aren't the final Bosses is the same as saying Godfrey should have little because he isn't the final Boss

[ashen warren]

I agree with the sugg, but the logic being 'its the final boss even though it's not gonna be forever but it is right now so whatever' is faulty

[hybrid steeple]

the logic is she has 0 foreshadowing and draedon is second only to yharim

yknow

the actual final boss

[glass arch]

that is not the logic

[ashen warren]

Well even so, it's still faulty

[glass arch]

how

[ashen warren]

^

[glass arch]

the logic isnt solely that they're currently final bosses

thats a footnote, if anything

[ashen warren]

^

[hollow shell]

The excuse that SCal doesn't have much foreshadowing, because Yharim is coming eventually,
won't get paid off until like 2025 or 2026 when Yharim comes out

Every single person that plays the mod between now and then is just going to see it as weak
and rightfully point out that the boss right next to her has a much more appropriate level of build-up

[dense ferry]

SCal will absolutely get more foreshadowing

[ornate slate]

wall of text, instant Downvote

[dense ferry]

As I mentioned earlier, essentially two entire biomes tied to her

[ornate slate]

i aint reading allat❗

[ashen warren]

Again, I agree with the sugg, but the footnote is faulty

[glass arch]

what

[ashen warren]

You said it was a footnote, so I'm correcting myself

[glass arch]

yeah but that doesnt

i dont even know what you're trying to get at

[ashen warren]

It should be removed

Is what I'm trying to get at

[glass arch]

why though

because until yharim is released they are the final bosses

[hybrid steeple]

when the using upcoming content as reasoning is a dont

[glass arch]

and yharim will not be released for years

[ashen warren]

^^^^^^^

[swift wharf]

nitpicking

[hollow shell]

this is a pointless conversation

[swift wharf]

^

[hybrid steeple]

^^

it literally does not matter

[fervent orbit]

wat is this sugg

[hollow shell]

This is like atheists and catholics arguing about who's right

[ashen warren]

Wrong

[swift wharf]

potato potato

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-pointless-cat-slide-futile-futility-gif-24881041

[hollow shell]

In that no amount of arguing is going to convince either side to change

[fervent orbit]

added to favourites

[bright crag]

I agree with SCal having more foreshadowing, though I'm not convinced that having SCal appear and talk to the player is the best way

[glass arch]

it really isnt

[hybrid steeple]

definitely not

[glass arch]

scal forshadowing would probably be like
seeing her show up every now and then and just seeing her watch you without any real interaction

[dense ferry]

Without a doubt not

Again, I don't want her to appear AT ALL

[hybrid steeple]

^^^

[dense ferry]

I want her to be like Gwyn

People just talk about her, how she is insane, destructive, powerful, a walking natural disaster

[golden sonnet]

You just see her seekers...... Seeking

[ashen warren]

But designing this foreshadowing around scal being the final boss will fall apart once she stops being the final boss

Damn that took me a while to write

[swift wharf]

[hybrid steeple]

im going to explode

[fervent orbit]

better way than her just showing up

[hollow shell]

I'm gonna

[dense ferry]

We aren't doing that

[glass arch]

thats now what the foreshadowing is about you fucking

[hybrid steeple]

it
literally doesnt matter

[golden sonnet]

Bosses can have foreshadowing without being the final boss

[dense ferry]

^

[hollow shell]

ok fine hang on

[dense ferry]

Literally look at Godfrey

[glass arch]

the foreshadowing is so draedon isnt the only boss with any foreshadowing aside from fucking yharim

[fervent orbit]

the aquatic scourge build is SO REAL

[swift wharf]

We don't need to discuss if shes the final boss or not, and i'm warning the next one who does that

[gray nebula]

Design the foreshadowing around her being an important lore figure

final boss or not

[dense ferry]

Anyways yeah

[gray nebula]

god damn

[swift wharf]

GOODVYE IBAN

[bright crag]

^^^

[gray nebula]

NOOO

[dense ferry]

LMAOOOO

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[ashen warren]

^^^

[fossil finch]

Scal foreshadowing should be compromised exclusively of every other boss death playing a video of fabsol himself explaining parys of her lore

[ashen warren]

lol

[hybrid steeple]

anyways
i feel like scals foreshadowing should treat her as like
a natural disaster
like you dont even know she's a person at first

[glass arch]

so true

[ashen warren]

Anyway don't want to get warned so gonna stop talking

[swift wharf]

add cutscenes of places that scal destroyed

[fervent orbit]

scal is [REDACTED]

[hollow shell]

@last spoke hello can you edit a clarification into your suggestion about how, even though she won't remain the final boss forever (because Yharim is eventually coming),
she is still an important lore figure and seems imbalanced compared to Draedon

[dense ferry]

Hey

Isn't that like

That one dude named Fatalis?

[ashen warren]

Thank the lord

[hybrid steeple]

STOP

[dense ferry]

I was gonna ping Omni straight up but I can't find their profile lmao

[fervent orbit]

she decides to fuck up the crags even more or smthn

[swift wharf]

you reach uhhhhh the place where she killed people and then a cutscene of the people dying plays

😈

[ashen warren]

isn't that too violent

[gray nebula]

cutscenes in terraria 📉

[ashen warren]

I'd say just the aftermath

[hybrid steeple]

cutscenes

[swift wharf]

[glass arch]

i gotchu fam

[dense ferry]

Imagine you hear everyone talking about how she destroyed the Crags

[bright crag]

Generalizing what type of foreshadow it can be will also help the suggestion since I don't think many people would support specifically SCal interacting with the player pre-fight

[glass arch]

(should i actually ping omni)

[dense ferry]

And when you get there you just see

How much she destroyed

[hollow ridge]

Big sugg

Me is interested

[dense ferry]

You just look at Azafure and think "Holy shit this Calamitas did this???"

[ashen warren]

Yeah

Isn't the destroyed cities gonna be in the full brim crags rework

[hybrid steeple]

yeah
azafure is when i feel like you should find out a person did that

[fervent orbit]

azafure looks fine pre hm

[ashen warren]

So isn't this a future content sugg

[dense ferry]

Yeah, iirc

[hybrid steeple]

though the amount of people who actually knew calamitas (or of her) that youll probably get as npcs before then complicates that

[hollow shell]

well kinda not a future sugg, no

[bright crag]

*Looks at the Desert*

You could say Calamitas dislikes real estate

[gray nebula]

I mean ngl without a pre destruction version, idk how hard hitting the crags would be

[hollow shell]

would need some images or descriptions of the prosperous crags before you see the real crags

[gray nebula]

like there's already "ruins" everywhere in hell, average players gonna walk in on da crags and idk if its gonna be as big of a jaw drop "crazy destruction all around" moment

[bright crag]

I do feel like there's some way to visualize pre-destruction Crags
Old maps, drawings in scrolls, paintings, tapestries

[dense ferry]

Draedon Log

[hollow shell]

Draedon- yeah

[bright crag]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

Rover

I'm sorry for this

[hollow shell]

Logs or log type items already have illustrations in em

[crude geode]

the discord users here can't read the rules for suggesting you think they'd read in game

[glass arch]

hi sorry for this, imjacob

[dense ferry]

Yes

[fervent orbit]

17

[crude geode]

very bold

[dense ferry]

Unlike common belief, people do, infact, read

[fervent orbit]

"common belief" its a stereotype at this point

[glass arch]

theres 3 million cal players i think its safe to say cmt isnt the average

[gray nebula]

I mean I'd say it's safer to say lore talk isn't the average

[crude geode]

^^

[gray nebula]

I don't think it's that wrong to assume a lot of ppl will skip over text

[glass arch]

lore discussion is the gremlins

[gray nebula]

there's a bunch of people who don't read functional tooltips for weapons already

[dense ferry]

Just because people won't read, this doesn't mean we shouldn't write

[odd geyser]

Real?

[gray nebula]

yea

[dense ferry]

It's over

[hybrid steeple]

oh no theyre here

[glass arch]

its joever

[odd geyser]

Jk, Catastrophe will defeat the fat salamander

Today

[fossil finch]

Maybe it's better if the crags were more distinguishable ruined big place then, rather than adding a clear pre ruined version for comparison?

[odd geyser]

Lemme turn on my pc so that Catastrophe does that

[fervent orbit]

full azafure rework

[bright crag]

I guess the Desert ruins will be more like
High in the UG Desert - "What are these ruins?"
Lower - "These were houses. Who lived here? What happened?"
Sunken Sea - (You see one or two relatively conserved houses, a shrine to the Ilmerian Gods, etc)

Then you find Amidias, and learn what it is all about

[gray nebula]

you see abandoned cabins everywhere thou

[bright crag]

While in the Crags, you have a more direct approach - knowing beforehand and learning more as you go

[gray nebula]

when I go in the ug desert I don't go "woah... crazy cabins... who left those here"

[bright crag]

They are hardly Ilmerian tho
There is basically nothing to support a connection, unless you know the lore

[fervent orbit]

i think "damn normal game mechanics"

[bright crag]

Their design has to carry that link

[gray nebula]

the fact that there are already a lot of "ruins esque" structures does make it more difficult to get players invested (not that it's impossible

I mean idk the lore, I was bringing up the desert houses just as like

[hybrid steeple]

underground cavern lore when (actually though who the fuck decided to be a prepper living in a cave)

[fervent orbit]

needs to be made of some unique new block thats clearly sunken sea related

[dense ferry]

It's a matter of making them stand out enough, Biocenter Labs do that

[gray nebula]

there's already a precedent for ruined structures that are kinda Who Cares, No Lore

[fervent orbit]

the lore is everything is dead

[dense ferry]

Wrong

Very wrong

[gray nebula]

so ur fighting against the current if ur gonna make more

[hybrid steeple]

its
unfortunate that the sunken sea is the part calamitas didnt hit
theres so much that could be done with the part that she did hit but
vanilla

[gray nebula]

(not impossible ofc just Smth to keep in mind, most people likely won't go "what happened... why are the houses ruined..." )

[bright crag]

(Because they're basic, from vanilla, and with no design elements that imply lore)
You have to make the ruins stand out

[gray nebula]

(terraria's world is pretty dead if u think about it)

[hybrid steeple]

why are these houses that are exactly like the other ruined houses everywhere here specifically,,,,,,

[odd geyser]

aight Catastrophe will solo Fatalis so that y'all have proof that Calamitas and her bros can defeat the Fat Alice without ignoring its main feat, wish me luck cause I may have pulled a "let me solo her" on Fatalis to help my friend once but I am rusty rn

[crude geode]

it's what happens when you don't really care about lore tbfh

[gray nebula]

yea

just gotta make sure it does it's job good

[fervent orbit]

also grasstoucher hasnt edited the sugg

[crude geode]

tbfh it's also really hard to get people invested in your lore, especially in the type of game terraria/calamity is

[gray nebula]

I think yeah

[glass arch]

they're busy touching grass

[gray nebula]

I mean in the end I think ruines structures in sunken sea would fit well

I guess I was mostly mhhing at stip's description of how the player would react to coming upon them

[odd geyser]

Also thank you for not assuming my pronouns, I am a "he" and it would be even better if you used that, but still I appreciate ya

[bright crag]

Yeah, I understand your concerns :p
It is something we'll need to think about

[hybrid steeple]

[gray nebula]

like not to sound like a downer, just it's better to approach it from the viewpoint of someone who's less invested, or at least who's not gonna immediately go lore mode at stuff

[bright crag]

Yeah, true

[gray nebula]

ruins work for both cases, but it'd be more a

[fervent orbit]

i didnt get invested in the lore for the first month and im out of the loop

[gray nebula]

"learns about how the sunken sea is the ruins of a civilisation" >"ohh that's what the ruined houses are..."

[dense ferry]

I shrimply try to be like Elden Ring

[gray nebula]

which would be closer to how the common player would see it, I feel

[fervent orbit]

is there but doesnt matter to enjoy the game?

[dense ferry]

What

[fervent orbit]

lore

[dense ferry]

Oh

No I meant for the scenario presentation

[cobalt pewter]

Terraria lore be like

here's some fucks
go beat em up

[dense ferry]

You have to make the initial presentation strong

[fervent orbit]

oh for the desert

[dense ferry]

Because that will make you go "Holy shit that's pretty I want to explore it"

[gray nebula]

calamity intro cutscene the LOATHSOME AURIC SOUL EATER

[dense ferry]

NOOOOOOO

[fervent orbit]

INTRO CUTSCENES THAT THROW LORE INTO MY FACE YAY

TOTALLY MY FAVOURITE

[bright crag]

I'll try my best to make Ilmerian architecture compelling, or at least eye-catching
Something anyone could look at and think "hey, this looks different. What's this about?"

[hybrid steeple]

oooOOoooh rise now, ye terrarian, ye not dead, who are still alive

[bright crag]

About connecting things, earlier
For example, you won't connect Crabulon to the Sunken Sea, because there is no element connecting them
There should be at least something pointing towards "huh... did this crab come from the Sunken Sea?"

Either by incorporating Sunken Sea elements to Crabulon's design, or incorporating a recognizable relative of Crabulon in the Sunken Sea

[dense ferry]

To be fair Elden Ring just paints the picture to you

[hybrid steeple]

GIANT ILMERIAN CRABS

[fervent orbit]

HUH

CRABULON IS ILMERIAN

???

[crude geode]

A lot of the 'payoffs' in games are extremely lackluster. Something like SCal, who has her own doppelganger, simply has the payoff of a fucking NPC and some dialogue from NPCs. DoG has more payoff, but according to xpc the lore relevance of his connection to him having three boss underlings is supposed to be lowered. Yharon spawns some ore and that's it.

[glass arch]

yeah crab same from sunken

[gray nebula]

crabulon being from the ss has been a thing since a while hasn't it

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[glass arch]

yeah its been for a while

[dense ferry]

Elden Ring's is "so there is Marika and she had the Elden Ring then some feminists killed a femboy and she exploded the Elden Ring then their- I mean her children tried to get it but then shit went down and now everything is shit. Also there is these people they are cool*"

[hybrid steeple]

its been a thing since after it was rewritten from being the perfect one iirc

[fervent orbit]

the wat

[bright crag]

Yeah
A refugee from the Incineration that fled to the Caverns and died
Was ressurected by funky shrooms

[gray nebula]

eldon ring kinda frontloads u with Lore and buzzwords and it leaves the players confused tbh

sry to diss souls storytelling...

[random talon]

1up Mushroom would like to have a word

[gray nebula]

discovering stuff on ur own as the game goes is nice tho

the start cutscene tho idk if its really the peak

[cobalt pewter]

considering the average Terraria player, it's essentially impossible to make any lore be engaging enough unless you're not making a Terraria mod in the first place

there will always be something wrong, and if nothing else, it's usually because of the player mindset

[crude geode]

what a dismissive ideal

[random talon]

sad

[cobalt pewter]

so tr

[random talon]

it's joever

[cobalt pewter]

I like lore but I am sure the majority of players do Not care about lore

[gray nebula]

intro cutscene in ER mentioning the other tarnished is kinda the weakest part tbh, especially since they're of so little relevance in the end... could have mentioned the shardbearers for something instead

[random talon]

I like the lore

[crude geode]

I'd say there are ways to make things better, instead of just blaming everything on the player mindset

[gray nebula]

gave us the loathsome dung eater at least

[random talon]

of the cal mod I mean

[dense ferry]

Meh, the minority that does is already enough tbh

[cobalt pewter]

fair

[bright crag]

Yeah, my personal biggest concerns are losing readers because of either lack of appeal or "mucho texto"

Especially the latter since I do write a lot

[dense ferry]

Because oh boy when people care about the Lore, they CARE about the Lore

[crude geode]

It feels kinda bland when every single boss has to have an effect on the world in somewhere, especially ones like Astrum Aureus which is just kind of a. recon drone that got infected.

[errant bobcat]

Yes lore in games is an…interesting subject

[crude geode]

Meanwhile you have big lore hitters like PBG or Astrum Deus which kinda do. nothing in game after their defeat.

[fervent orbit]

we dont even get to stop the plague

[cobalt pewter]

it's unfortunate that Terraria doesn't allow this kinda thing, but I want some bosses to have their corpse remain for an extended amount of time after death

[dense ferry]

If only their relevance went beyond a side quest...

[fervent orbit]

tho we can remove the astral any time

[hybrid steeple]

[errant bobcat]

Either nobody cares at all or they are extremely interested

[crude geode]

.

[fervent orbit]

i only have 343 messages in lore discussion

[cobalt pewter]

plague jungle when

[dense ferry]

Plague will be better implemented in the future and I already made some efforts to make it feel more threatening imo

And Astrum Deus... You will see

[errant bobcat]

I have probs at most 50

[fervent orbit]

the debuff alone makes me scared of the plague

[hybrid steeple]

new deus is

[cobalt pewter]

right now plague post golem is just

hehe metal poison enemies

the lack of hints and pointers contribute

[fervent orbit]

pre golem we should be able to see pbg in its cage

[errant bobcat]

Mainly me and dylanguy just talking about the physics of black holes and how they relate to ceaseless void are what most of my messages in #lore-discussion is

[cobalt pewter]

you wouldn't really know about PBG completely blind

[crude geode]

status messages account for half of why we know about changes in the terraria world

[cobalt pewter]

the jungle lab is a start but it barely does anything as is aside from yet another text lore dump

(when's jungle schematic is decrypted again)

[fervent orbit]

how are plague enemies created? are they just injected with the plague and "hope they survive it"

[bright crag]

Plague mini biome Plague mini biome Plague mini biome Plague mini biome

[dense ferry]

I shed some light into this in the Bestiary

But no, the Plague is much more methodical than that

If it gets something, it will transform it

[bright crag]

Would be cool if Plague enemies had an "infection attack" that they shoot at regular mobs
If the mobs get hit by it x times, they get converted into their Plague counterpart

[fervent orbit]

oh ok

[crude geode]

A few of the post-ml bosses feel like they should have more relevance outside of shrimply adding ores, but stuff like provi or the two final bosses feel like they. don't change a lot.

[fervent orbit]

but wait

[crude geode]

Which I kinda get is bc moon lord sets a horrible example but still

[fervent orbit]

the plague is less of a virus and more like a parasite???

[dense ferry]

Provi will literally get an entire biome

[bright crag]

You do know that viruses are parasites right

[crude geode]

sugg bingo moment

[dense ferry]

^^

[fervent orbit]

no

[crude geode]

smh my head noob didn't take biology

[dense ferry]

The Plague gets something and warps it into something else entirely, made only to kill and obey

[fervent orbit]

im forced to learn wat im given

[hybrid steeple]

that one minecraft parasites mod

[fervent orbit]

parasites isnt part of wat im supposed to learn in gcse bio

[bright crag]

In general, having a metaphorical "hive" of the Plague around the Jungle lab would be cool
There's this patch of land acting as their hive, Plaguebringers guard it, and in the borders Plague mobs try to convert other mobs

[dense ferry]

Hey

New Bestiary has foundation for that :)

[fervent orbit]

the plague minibiome grows the further you get in progression

[bright crag]

A parasite is a being that survives by forcefully exploiting the resources of another being

Viruses essentially exploit our cells to produce new viruses

[fervent orbit]

cool

[bright crag]

[hollow shell]

Depends on if you consider viruses to be living beings or not

[fervent orbit]

is a being is a thing

[hollow shell]

I personally do, but felt the obligation to bring it up anyway cuz it's funny that science kinda has an "iunno" answer to that

[crude geode]

Astral is definitely also a. weird thing that exists but also plans have been surrounding it/it's underground variant for a year so I assume it's known

[royal tapir]

shushing face emoji

[bright crag]

Tru

[dense ferry]

Astral is getting a glowup

[hybrid steeple]

i have no clue what the astral rework will be like but astral was my favorite biome before the crags rework so any glowup it gets is great

[hollow shell]

I was tempted to foreshadow the nature of the glow up but then I remembered the plans I know are not the plans that will happen

[blazing kettle]

this should apply for yharim instead imo

[hollow shell]

We had a whole damn convo about that

[hybrid steeple]

iirc that is the plan for yharim in some way
once lore items are killed theyre gonna be moved to talking to yharim directly iirc

[blazing kettle]

ah cool

[hollow shell]

(or rather a convo that pertained to this sugg's relation to Yharim's eventual release)

[blazing kettle]

also isnt the point of scal is that she is supposed to be a """secret""" until you actaully fight her?

[hybrid steeple]

no

yharim talks about her multiple times

[blazing kettle]

ah

[wide river]

A few of the lore items mention her, and Calamitas Clone exists

[bright crag]

Calamitas herself is quite secluded, but she's really infamous and there's no effort of hiding her

[blazing kettle]

but when you fight calclone for the first time, isnt her name just calamitas?

[hybrid steeple]

no?

[wide river]

I think that's how it used to be, with the Boss Checklist entry just being "Calamitas"
Now it says "Calamitas Clone", to my knowledge

[blazing kettle]

what the hell am i on?

[hybrid steeple]

it was changed in the from the ashes update

because thats some old calamity boss fakeout shit

[blazing kettle]

this is like the third time today i have misremembered something this bad

[odd geyser]

Aight he did it and despite not doing the double headbreak he got 3 evil eyes (I still question myself how I got this lucky), will psot results in the media chat

[hollow shell]

Nah dw you would have been correct for like, 6 years

CalClone was always just "Calamitas", it was only changed very recently

[hybrid steeple]

old calamity try not to boss fakeout challenge

[blazing kettle]

old calamity my belothed and my beloved

[wide river]

"Ah, but you see, I was only using 1% of my power, Terrarian"

-Every Calamity boss in old lore

[hybrid steeple]

also every calamity boss in old gameplay

[dense ferry]

I think a Cal Clone fakeout could work in the current iteration

[hybrid steeple]

hive mind, calclone, yharon to some extent, dog, the very existance of calclone was a fakout in itself

[dense ferry]

But not in the "haha you thought I was weak and this was going to be Retinazer 2? WRONG!"

But that the machine would be hiding the Clone itself at first

And as the fight progresses it's revealed either by damage on the machine or it being open to get more firepower

[blazing kettle]

"you though i was a fat flying duke fishron but you were wrong! i was actually a fat flying duke fishron bullethell!"

[ripe owl]

I wonder if the Hive Mind thing was due to limitations (it probably was)

[bright crag]

Yeah, we plan on making the Clone reveal in the end of the fight

[blazing kettle]

the hive mind thing?

[ripe owl]

You kill a boss
It respawns in its second phase

"The Hive Mind thing"

[blazing kettle]

hive mind used to do that?

[ripe owl]

Good morning

Yes it used to

And that's like the first boss you encountered with this strange effect

So I just decided to name it "The Hive Mind thing"

[blazing kettle]

weird

[ripe owl]

Why is it?

[drowsy plank]

hm that was a lot of messages to read

[hollow ridge]

.

Scam I would assume

.

[rugged belfry]

I mean, to be fair, Terraria also barely mentions the final boss. Maybe the biggest hint would be the theme of Cthulhu, but that still doesnt say much.

[hybrid steeple]

vanilla terraria does this so surely calamity should do this too

[odd geyser]

that's not really great imo

[hybrid steeple]

calamity is not following in the "fuck you if you like story in your games" footsteps of vanilla

[odd geyser]

also this

hyping up a boss, giving them lots of foreshadowing is only good, especially if it was worth it and the boss is great

if the fight is really hard but also really great, enough to have the community consistently talking about it, hyping it up for newcomers, it's even better, add the fact that the lore can hype a boss up even more

[drowsy plank]

the closest moon lord gets to foreshadowing is moon lord's legs and eye of cthuhlu and like that's it

you know it could be neat if moon lord's legs got moved to sky island drops or something to try and connect the whole fact dragons killed him

[fervent orbit]

"erhm brain of cthulhu actually🤓"

[drowsy plank]

BoC isn't real

[fervent orbit]

so true

[drowsy plank]

[wide river]

Corruption supremacy

[hybrid steeple]

theres actual sky island lore and
its not really all that linked to dragons, besides that a dragon raised them and its people coexisted with it, but that applies for literally everywhere else in the world

plus even if they were linked to the dragons there's much better ways to put moon lord stuff there than the moon lord legs

[bright crag]

Yes, wouldn't fit upcoming sky lore

[bright crag]

^

[unreal star]

i'm like 99% sure that the treehive is a calamity thing but it could be a fargo's mutant mod thing or smth

correct me if i'm wrong

[wide river]

The Big Hive is Calamity, it was added recently

It's not Fargo's anyway, they don't change world gen, to my knowledge

[unreal star]

ok good, just making sure

[errant bobcat]

Fargos best of both worlds does but just the world evils

[hybrid steeple]

nah

its all the drunk world seed changes

it just markets itself as both world evils which means i got jumpscared by 10 living trees when making a world with it

[bright crag]

You can pick the worldgen changes in the configs

[hybrid steeple]

mhm

[last spoke]

Holy fucking shit! So sorry for leaving this until now, I was asleep. I think I’ve made the correct edits. Please let me know if anything else needs changing.

[grim tusk]

Final dawn and that shit will eventually be balanced, I’ll try to get the former in the port

[north oracle]

oh final dawn balancing will happen

[grim tusk]

Also is there a way to contact the donor for the weapon?

[wide river]

If I've gotten this right, the donor is in this server
Their nickname is "Xedanort", but their username is "Dan Yami", which is who the wiki says that the Final Dawn is dedicated to

[grim tusk]

Good to know, I’ll contact them when Cal actually builds to see if I can make some changes to its functionality (mainly buffing the non W slash in a significant way)

[glass arch]

dan yami sounds familiar, i think ive heard it from fargos soul/mutant mod

[cobalt pewter]

Dan Yami is the lead dev of Shadows of Abaddon

(at least last time I checked)

[wide river]

That checks out.
I remember hearing the name when Shadows of Abbadon came up a while back, so I feel that's likely

[glass arch]

ohhhhh yeah

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
I take it stuff like the Boss HP slider, Potion Shops, and the Early Hardmode Progression Rework would fall into this category?

[fierce sentinel]

yeah, just like anything that "shouldnt" be changed, neither by accident nor by trolls or similar.

i probably would move the whole General Gameplay Changes category along with the base stat boosts category and the first 4 settings of the expert or master mode changes category to a server config. Maybe also "bosses stop weather" in case that one wouldnt be client side visual only and could possible impact other somewhat important things. not sure about that one

[wide river]

Ah, just leave stuff like UI changes to be clientside, and have the rest be serverside

[small timber]

there was this suggestion but it was out of batch

[fierce sentinel]

oh welp, missed that then, sorry

[small timber]

nono, your suggestion is fine

don't delete

[small timber]

the suggestion I meant by "out of batch" is that it cann't get voted anymore

[fierce sentinel]

oh okay lol

[small timber]

basically suggestion have a "14 days voting period", if after 14 days it didn't get enough votes then it can't get send to the developers anymore

tldr is that

this particular suggestion is basically past that 14 days, I was just taking it as an example of a similar suggestion

[junior tendon]

houh

[gaunt tiger]

I swear if I have to rewrite the raunchy dialogue suggestion because it doesn't pass

[jagged zealot]

The one suggest that baffles me that people really want to see is censorship. But the fact nurse's line of "I don't give happy endings" when gore is turned of seems like either the team knew people will be somehow TOO butthurt about that, or someone was unhappy that in their violent videogame had a nurse say not everything is sunshine and rainbows. I get other things, but this censor ship of the nurse line seems dumb imo.

Anyways, it seems not many want the suggestion I wanted to see get upvoted a lot, which is the S.Cal encounters. Draedon really does have a larger presence than s.cal

[hybrid steeple]

people want more scal foreshadowing

draedon has 6 bosses, all the labs, the entire arsenal set which follows you through the game

what they dont want is for her to just. show up

[drowsy plank]

^

[jagged zealot]

The voting says otherwise unfortunately

[hybrid steeple]

thats not the kind of foreshadowing she should have

[drowsy plank]

yeah the idea is good, the sugg is bad

[wide river]

I mean 48 votes in about 5 hours isn't too shabby

[hybrid steeple]

the voting for
one kind of foreshadowing
which most people seem to agree doesnt fit her

[ornate slate]

does anything even tell you "kill calamitas/scal"

[hybrid steeple]

nope

[ornate slate]

amidias?

yeah

so..

[hybrid steeple]

theres literally nothing pointing you to her besides lore items and the. existence of calclone

[ornate slate]

come to think of it is there really anything pointing towards other bosses too

[hybrid steeple]

there should be things pointing you to getting the summons for every boss to drastically reduce how much of a wiki game calamity is

[ornate slate]

like ravager

[hybrid steeple]

but thats
pretty high effort

[drowsy plank]

desert chest desert medallions was a good start

[wide river]

Most bosses are really only known about if you've looked at the wiki or read Boss Checklist earlier than you were supposed to

[drowsy plank]

the way of pointing you towards bosses existing is sort of a hand in hand problem with unoriginal boss spawning methods

[hybrid steeple]

vanilla terraria's logic is just
eeeh theyll get materials theyll find this eventually

and calamity definitely needs to break free of that

[ornate slate]

some things like leviathan are fine, can be found through exploration

[drowsy plank]

things like decapodita sprout growing in mushroom biomes just like queen slime's crystal and stuff like that will help

[hybrid steeple]

yep

[drowsy plank]

also vanilla terraria just

doesn't have this problem

[hybrid steeple]

thats a good summon method

true

[drowsy plank]

bosses have unique spawning methods

[ornate slate]

but astrum aureus? fuckin ravager?

[drowsy plank]

cal just has SIGNIFICANTLY more

[ornate slate]

what else

[hybrid steeple]

but for the few that doesnt

that is their logic

[jagged zealot]

Yeah, my message was sent before the other part of your text came up. My discord is acting up again

[ornate slate]

actually come to think of it

[hybrid steeple]

discord is a functional application

[ornate slate]

crabulon

[drowsy plank]

yes we just talked about this

[ornate slate]

what points you towards crab

[wide river]

Discord try to actually work for once challenge (impossible)

[drowsy plank]

that should be fixed once decapodita sprouts grow naturally

rather than just being crafted

[ornate slate]

it's like my recently approved suggestion, about the emphasis on getting power cell chargers

[drowsy plank]

again half of the issue with boss spawners is boss spawning methods being lame

[wide river]

Is that just waiting to be implemented at this point

[drowsy plank]

i think so

[ornate slate]

some things in the mod dont really make themselves obvious at all how to reach them to people who dont get external help

[drowsy plank]

idr exactly but it's the one alt summoning method proposition that i remember

[hybrid steeple]

terraria is a wiki game unfortunately

[ornate slate]

break free

its a shit thing to be

[hybrid steeple]

mhm

[drowsy plank]

again, this will all be fixed once cal moves away from boss summoning items being the ONLY way to spawn bosses

which is a known issue

[jagged zealot]

Yes, but detremental for me. So many typos and things that help lead to bans is staggering.

[hybrid steeple]

i would sugg this but it goes hand in hand with making boss summons better and there are probably like 15 approved suggs with that same thing

[drowsy plank]

yes

[wide river]

Add another one to the pile

[ornate slate]

i could probably actually list how vanilla+ calamity hint at their bosses

do some research

[drowsy plank]

we've done this before

[ornate slate]

nevermind then

[jagged zealot]

I wish more bosses wander around the world so you would have a reayson to fit them. Most pre-hm vanilla don't have this problem due to how you can randomly encounter them. Some spy on you, some get upset when you hurt their biome or babies, and some you are foreshadowed about

[hybrid steeple]

but also
i dont just mean hinting at the summons really
i mean hinting at the bosses

though most of that will presumably come already with biome reworks

[swift wharf]

devplanned

[hybrid steeple]

yep

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

i mean i can list most of the ways these are already devplanned.jpg

lol

[swift wharf]

coming in 2025

[drowsy plank]

real

[glass arch]

something something devplans.png

[hybrid steeple]

when the

[swift wharf]

when the porting is sus

[wide river]

Wrong file type
Argument ruined

[swift wharf]

i have devplans.jph

[drowsy plank]

devplans.png vs devplanned.jpg

[swift wharf]

jph yes

[jagged zealot]

I think desert should be a thing just devouring stuff in the desert background, and when you summon him he comes over.

He has presence rather than just spawning out of nowhere, and the player knows about them.

[ornate slate]

like everything tells you toure there

[jagged zealot]

I feel like if more bosses had something like this barong exceptions, it could solve some problems

[glass arch]

yes we know that bosses need better presence out of fights

[ornate slate]

king slime spawns randomly sometimes, eye of cthulhu same thing, you find out about eater and brain and skeletron and queen bee through exploration

[hybrid steeple]

when the plans.jpg is dev

and the frequently is suggested

[glass arch]

wrong file extension
argument invalidated

[hybrid steeple]

dnc

[frosty trellis]

It's devplans.png

That's literally what the devs say

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest scourge is fine

the medallions are in desert chests, people will find him eventually

[frosty trellis]

Which scourge

Oh DS

[drowsy plank]

both tbh?

[frosty trellis]

Yeah DS is fine

[glass arch]

both of em are good yeah

[drowsy plank]

AS spawns naturally too, like maybe it could be a bit better but it's still WAY better than a lot of bosses

[hybrid steeple]

its fine for finding the item
but i mean like. the bosses having a presence in the world beyond that

[frosty trellis]

AS I have more mechanical issues with it rather than uniqueness with spawns and shit

[ornate slate]

aqua scourge spawns randomly

[hybrid steeple]

as has enough presence in the world because it naturally spawns passive

[ornate slate]

brimstone elemental??? cri g

cryœgen??? criyg

[drowsy plank]

vanilla doesnt really do that beyond eye being in the background occasionally, so i dont think it's really that necessary
i like it for post ML bosses or bosses that are hard to realize they exist, but i dont think DS really needs it + it'd be hard to do. maybe with the sunken sea rework he'll get a bit more but he really doesn't need it. he aint that important

[ornate slate]

he first boss