suggestions-discussion

[atomic shell]

not even enjoyable

[fervent orbit]

just make buffed blood moons post plant since by then blood moon enemies shouldnt be a probldm

[gaunt tiger]

pre hardmode blood moon really is just "all of your npcs die and you have to wait until the night ends"

unless you are normal and use friendly npcs don't die mod

[small timber]

Make death mode buff bloodmoon enemy stat instead of spawnrate

Can help with death mode farming being much more efficient at obtaining blood orb than even blood moon fishing too

[serene tendon]

@gaunt tiger Why not make it a separate toggle? It could be annoying to have to play without blood and gore just to not see 18+ quotes. You also might want to suggest a change to calamity elemental sprites when this toggle is activated.

[gaunt tiger]

I suggested the menu toggle first

I got yelled at by mods, like usually happens when I post in here

I posted my post and I'm gonna leave it alone tbh

[ripe owl]

If you are fine with gore but not fine with 18+ quotes
I am really interested in the environment you live in

[gaunt tiger]

yeah that's the kinda response I got ^^^^

so I'm gonna just leave the post alone

[hybrid steeple]

oh hell nah

we're not getting to the level of sanitization where the cloud elemental is too much 💀

[serene tendon]

Cloud Elemental is fine, the others aren't

[hybrid steeple]

brimmy isn't

anahita is fine

[wide river]

Anahita is definitely fine

[hybrid steeple]

the sand elemental is fine

rare sand is fine

its literally just brimmy

if it toggles all of them might as well make blood and gore make every woman a man if that much of a woman existing ever is too much 💀

[serene tendon]

Anahita is fine, it looks like she's wearing a bodysuit. Cal Sand Elementals and Brimmy aren't

[hybrid steeple]

this isn't fine???

[serene tendon]

Wait what

[hybrid steeple]

she doesnt even have visible boobs? its literally just hair?

[ripe owl]

Oh my god not this shit agaun

[serene tendon]

Since when was that the texture

[wide river]

That one's actually the best one by far

(My personal opinion, anyway)

[gaunt tiger]

idk if it's been implemented yet but it's been resprited

[serene tendon]

Her or Cloud Elemental

[hybrid steeple]

no thats the texture

and it has been for a while

[drowsy plank]

calamity players play calamity challenge

[hybrid steeple]

yeah since 1.4.5

[gaunt tiger]

thanks for the input cog

always a pleasure

[ripe owl]

1.4.5 isn't out yet ()

[hybrid steeple]

[drowsy plank]

same to you

[gaunt tiger]

I'd say brimmy doesn't need much of a change either

which is good!

[hybrid steeple]

brimmy is in dire need of a change

[serene tendon]

I'm not a horny abomination, I don't farm for them

[hybrid steeple]

shes the last elemental to still be in the old "straight up sexualized" genre of sprites

[drowsy plank]

i dont know how you miss her changes for like 5 majors updates tho lmfao

[golden sonnet]

Her sprite is very outdated, but I don't really think she's that sexualized, could be a lot better but not super obtrusive

Like, it's not old siren or anything

[gaunt tiger]

I think just the attention drawn to her bare breasts is the issue?
in my head it does track that a rose elemental is slightly sexual

but there's a very fine line between sexual and oversexualised, so probably easier to just redo it yea

[wide river]

How many times has this been discussed, at this point
Too many is the answer, and it almost always goes in a weird direction

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

so true

[golden sonnet]

True

[hybrid steeple]

for reference this is her sprite

[wide river]

Even if it weren't for the parts of the sprite that people draw attention to, it'd still probably need a resprite because of how old it is
I think it's almost as old as Polterghast, if not older

[hybrid steeple]

yep

its incredibly old, the breasts are far too defined, shes got her whole lower half out unlike every other elemental

patiently waiting for the day she gets a sprite she deserves 🙏

[gaunt tiger]

this but brimstone plant themed

would be so cool

[kindred skiff]

What is that

[gaunt tiger]

dunno I just googled "flower dryad" and it was top 3 results

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest even the old sandies really aren't that bad

[gaunt tiger]

so I guess a flower dryad but idk beyond that

[drowsy plank]

but you should see the fuckin old cloudies

[kindred skiff]

The what

[gaunt tiger]

they were pretty bad, yeah

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

thats the old elementals i was talking about

[drowsy plank]

i dont even want to post them here they're THAT bad

[kindred skiff]

Oh

That’s awful

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

her and old siren were

something

[ripe owl]

Thiccloud Elemental

[wide river]

I don't even want to try and find the old sprites, from how you're describing them

[kindred skiff]

[drowsy plank]

tbqh i think anahita is cuter

anyway

[gaunt tiger]

fandom wiki says that the code refers to her as ThiccWaifu

lmfao

funny even if untrue

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

no thats real

[kindred skiff]

The file names for calamity items are weird

To say the least

[hybrid steeple]

all the filenames related to the elementals are cringe

[ripe owl]

It was a thing before iirc, can't say if it's still the case

[gaunt tiger]

cirrus is FAP
/thread

[ripe owl]

Is what?

[kindred skiff]

Idk

[gaunt tiger]

called FAP in the code

[kindred skiff]

Wtf is cirrus

[wide river]

That's Drunk Princess' code name

[gaunt tiger]

drunk princess

[kindred skiff]

Oh

[ripe owl]

Oh, yeah, that's right

[kindred skiff]

[hybrid steeple]

is there a scrapped sprites page on the wiki

[ripe owl]

Forgot

[hybrid steeple]

or smth

[kindred skiff]

Stop

[hybrid steeple]

i dont remember seeing old old siren

[kindred skiff]

Don’t bring it up

[wide river]

Not to my knowledge
I don't see why there'd need to be, in any case

[kindred skiff]

Ima dip because this is getting weird

[wide river]

That's for the best, honestly

[ripe owl]

Cog, shouldn't you be, like, forcing us to stop talking about this?

I'm not a mod so I can't say that you should

But still

[drowsy plank]

i guess? this is all stuff that is in the mod like right now

so i can't really get too torn up about it if im being completely honest

[ripe owl]

Fair, I guess

[drowsy plank]

also this comes up like

[ripe owl]

Sorry for bothering

[drowsy plank]

every other week and no one ever gets mad about it

no i get it this is very on the edge but we were discussing cirrus's dialogue early so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide river]

This has been like
The fourth time I've been a part of this discussion

[drowsy plank]

yeah and ive never flagged anyone back then for it so

would be weird to start verballing people for it lol

[north oracle]

This is about the third time I’ve avoided being a part of this discussion

[hybrid steeple]

average video game server when there hasnt been an update in ~a month

[drowsy plank]

Yeah.

[gaunt tiger]

so how's about that- checks notes -biome update?

[wide river]

True though
I hear the Hollow Knight Discord is getting mildly feral over Silksong but that's beside the point

[drowsy plank]

they do gonna be updating that biome

[hybrid steeple]

the biome

when its biome

[wide river]

When the biome is updated

[drowsy plank]

i hope they're still gonna replace demonic bone ash with ash trees/bone trees from crags

[gaunt tiger]

I hope the biome changes do not affect the trout population

[wide river]

On God 🙏

I also remember seeing that the Ancient Bone Dust suggestion would've passed if not for the multi-nature of it
Because of the Archaic Powder and Calcium Potions removals being decided against, that is

[drowsy plank]

mostly just

archaic powder im thinking

esp because they just nerfed mining speed

[ripe owl]

(mng spd cp t 70%)

[wide river]

If the original suggester doesn't resuggest it at some point, maybe I will after a few weeks

[ripe owl]

Should I repost my armors suggestion?

()

[wide river]

Which one, the Astral/Brimflame rework one?

Or was that someone else

[hybrid steeple]

oh youre kidding me it didnt

if it hadnt happened my epiphany note sugg wouldve gotten through and nothing even came of it when it did

[ripe owl]

That wasn't me

I posted Daedalus and Hydrothermic

[wide river]

Oh right
Too many people ask for reworks so it's hard to keep track

[ripe owl]

Fair

[drowsy plank]

fix every problem now

[hybrid steeple]

true

[wide river]

Too many Calamity problems must fix all now grahhh
Or however it went

[hybrid steeple]

Complete the Calamity Mod
The Calamity Mod, as of now, is incomplete, and is not entirely properly balanced. I believe this issue should be rectified, and the mod be completed.

[wide river]

"Developers please complete your mod"

[drowsy plank]

rejected; too much effort

[wide river]

True though

[kindred skiff]

The mod will finish when Silksong releases

(It won’t)

[hybrid steeple]

so if the xbox thing is to be believed in like two months

[ripe owl]

Decompile the Calamity Mod
The Calamity Mod, as of now, is compiled, and the source code is not entirely available. I believe this issue should be rectified, and the mod be decompiled.

[hybrid steeple]

Remove the Calamity Mod
The Calamity Mod feels very unfinished. The final boss has not been added, multiple of its sprites are outdated, and it has lots of plans that aren't being implemented at this time. I believe it would be best for the mod if it was removed.

[kindred skiff]

Delete the calamity mod
The Calamity Mod is incomplete, and it will likely remain this way for a very long time. To save time and effort, I suggest just deleting it entirely. This will also remove item bloat in the game

[hybrid steeple]

🐌

[kindred skiff]

I’m on mobile

[hybrid steeple]

moderators!!! snail react them!!!!!

[ripe owl]

That's not an excuse

[kindred skiff]

[trim oracle]

can i increase calamity multiplayer timers?

[ripe owl]

We should probably
Not bully each oyher

[ripe owl]

What timers?

[trim oracle]

respawn timers*

shoulda clarified

[ripe owl]

No idea, you can probably try the Better Respawn or whatever that mod is called

You can decrease or increase the timer

[trim oracle]

last time i tried it was still capped by calamity

but maybe it god

got updated*

[ripe owl]

Well then you can't

[trim oracle]

dang ;-;

[ripe owl]

I mean nobody stops you from trying

[trim oracle]

guess so

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
Decided to end up posting this, guess I'll see how it goes

[grim tusk]

I like the jellies

:(

[north oracle]

I don’t

[wide river]

Maybe I should expand the suggestion to be ye olde "Rework or remove", maybe it'd be viewed better that way
Plus, more people may vote on it as it wouldn't be directly saying that either of them are the better option

[halcyon zealot]

yeah

overall I feel as though while a change to the jellies is welcome, it is not even close to necessary
Their roles as filler accessories are performed perfectly fine, much like shackles from zombies
it's good enough that it can be used to craft something of use down the line, again much like shackles

[small timber]

Yes the last remove ankh shield from valor suggestion is out of batch already so can repost

[stable kiln]

its not a flag worthy suggestion but i am not a fan personally

[unreal saffron]

Hey so why is the alcohol suggestion not flagged? It’s dedicated content, and also completely makes cirrus useless. Not hating, just surprised based on previous decisions

[small timber]

And the alcohol suggestion will also be extremely confusing and unintuitive to the point that I think 90% of players will complete miss out on alcohols

[cobalt pewter]

just remove alcohols

dumbass stat stick potion²

[glass arch]

no

[stable kiln]

oh i didnt even see that suggestion

uhh

[glass arch]

i need my 165% damage boost pre plantera

[stable kiln]

@grim tusk #suggestions-posting message what do you say

[distant gyro]

it is practically guaranteed to be denied

[stable kiln]

lmao

[glass arch]

xd

[stable kiln]

yeah definitely

[distant gyro]

at the same time i dont want to suppress valid suggestions that are pressed on the wrong side of a collective opinion

[stable kiln]

yeah thats what i thought too

which is why i atted shade

[distant gyro]

(*) until it is executed enough times, like re-adding malice mode and such

[glass arch]

i never understood the people who wanted malice back in

[distant gyro]

"erm... death master ftw isn't hard enough"

[small timber]

"it is still playable"

[glass arch]

just do we fucking ball mode (expert death 900% hp 11 player multiplayer)

[tired haven]

The sad part is that personally I agree, but it would not happen
(especially not with a similar case of randomly dropped foods planned to instead be moved into NPC shops)

[glass arch]

((it is actually very very fun))

[fossil finch]

This is positive actually

[distant gyro]

you're implying that the people who unironically enjoy malice mode has enough friends to play with 10 other people

[glass arch]

lmao

but yeah we fucking ball is an experience and a half

[tired haven]

I'm sure with enough dedication the 11 malice players of the world can gather each other on the server

[glass arch]

it got me the nice experience of +99% magic damage pre hardmode

anything is possible with 11 players

[cobalt pewter]

geh I still hated that change so much, even if it hasn't technically existing yet

it's just so

idk how to say it

[bright crag]

It's reckless

At least imo

I think we have to elaborate a better system with better balance/variety/interaction, but that takes planning and time
I'd make plans if, well, I wasn't busy already

I think the alcoholic drinks are fine with Cirrus
Though I agree, the quotes are ech

[distant gyro]

if alcohols are just going to be potions 2 they may as well not exist which is an option im totally fine with
meep nohitters

[bright crag]

They're much more varied and niche than potions

[stone bloom]

I like the alcohols though i feel some of them could be removes

[unreal saffron]

Same

[stone bloom]

Mainly the elemental damage ones and the healing ones

[unreal saffron]

Who tf wants extra water based debuff damage?

Moscow mule and everclear are cool tho

[stone bloom]

The piercing damage one i have no clue if it actually does something sometimes

[ripe owl]

Wtf no, Red Wine is good

[stone bloom]

Is it

[ripe owl]

Literally free 200HP before you can get the Great Healing Potions

Or whatever the 200HP potions are called

[stone bloom]

The moonlord ones

[glass arch]

super

[ripe owl]

Yes, those

Thanks

[glass arch]

plus more hp with baguette

[ripe owl]

Yeah!

[distant gyro]

red wine is actually mathematically better than a super healing potion with baguette

[ripe owl]

Exactly!

[glass arch]

yeah i remember this

[stone bloom]

What the fuck is baguette

[ripe owl]

Red W-ine

[distant gyro]

which is uhh what

[ripe owl]

A baguette

[stone bloom]

No like what is it

[ripe owl]

[ripe owl]

Well Fed item

[stone bloom]

Ohhh

[ripe owl]

Which one tho, I don't remember

[glass arch]

on we fucking ball im pretty sure everyone except for like me is using red wine and baguette until bloodfins or somewhere around there

[ripe owl]

Maybe medium, maybe low

[stone bloom]

Theres so many of the fuckin things

[glass arch]

its medium

[ripe owl]

I used Red Wine only, simply because I forgot about baguettes

[ripe owl]

That's a good enough price

[glass arch]

wait no well fed is minor

[stone bloom]

I never use red wine since you get acess to the pillar potions really early on

[glass arch]

i keep forgetting plenty satisfied exists

[fervent orbit]

its low but it can be overriden so like

[ripe owl]

You get access to pillar potions
After you kill the pillars

[stone bloom]

Or deus ig

[ripe owl]

"Really early on", how early m8?

[fervent orbit]

yes but deus is intended post cultist

yknow when u have fragments

[ripe owl]

You can get Red Wine straight outta WoF

[stone bloom]

Clearing deus or the pillars is not THAT far in hardmode

Fair enough

[fervent orbit]

LITERALLY THE END OF HM

[glass arch]

yes it is

[tired haven]

I guess everyone is getting too comfortable with smol hp bar huge hitbox lunatic cultist

[glass arch]

unless you're doing goated route you do cultist as one of your last bosses in hm

[stone bloom]

Idk if its a me thing but i just boss rush through hardmode

[ripe owl]

Goated route?

[hybrid steeple]

i mean uh
if youre doing the intended progression its literally the second and third to last bosses

[ripe owl]

Even then, it's pretty much useful to have a 200HP heal

[fervent orbit]

thats a fundamental flaw of hm

[glass arch]

any route that does cultist out of order

[ripe owl]

[glass arch]

mainly low%

[fervent orbit]

everyone should do low% fr fr

[stone bloom]

I mean yeah. I didnt say it wasnt . Mainly just pointing out its alternative is also gotten around a similar time

[glass arch]

no its really not

[small timber]

you know, I think red wine is useless because if you do yharon pre-ML it is like the 5th boss you fight, and yharon drop 300 HP heal potion per kill

I think we should remove everything before that

[ripe owl]

Red Wine: literally the beginning of hardmode
Super Heal Pot: literally the end of hardmode

[stone bloom]

EXACTLY

/j

[ripe owl]

Grrrr true 😔

[small timber]

I think we should remove 50 and 100 HP heal potion too because in FTW you can fight ravager pre-HM and get 150 heal from it

[fervent orbit]

they removed pre hm mythril tho

[stone bloom]

This guys so right

[small timber]

now your best heal in pre-HM is bottled water and mushroom

[stone bloom]

Tbh a no heal run sounds lowkey kinda fun

[tired haven]

Honeyfins:

[glass arch]

honeyfins crying in the corner

[small timber]

#naturalist playthrough

[fervent orbit]

you forgot restoration pots

[stone bloom]

Honey bottles

[fervent orbit]

and strange brew

and honey and honeyfins

[stone bloom]

And fish

[ripe owl]

F🤮shing

[tired haven]

The soy version of nohit

[stone bloom]

Im so soyd up

[small timber]

but those are all considered healing potion and are worse than the 150 HP heal so they are already removed

[stone bloom]

I am so full of soy chemicals

[small timber]

mushroom and bottled water is not removed because they are used for crafting

[stone bloom]

Honey is used for crafting

[tired haven]

50 potion is used for crafting

and so is 100

[distant gyro]

bottled honey is kinda underrated though not gonna lie

[fervent orbit]

i dont think 100 is

[stone bloom]

I use bottled honey for all of pre hm

Goes hard

[small timber]

those are already removed because yharon drop 300 healing pots which is early in HM

[tired haven]

life crystals

[distant gyro]

much easier to mass produce

[fervent orbit]

just change the recipe of life crystals

[small timber]

now life crystal only give 5 max HP per crystal and your max is 20 life crystals

[distant gyro]

anyways tangents

[small timber]

I always felt the hp bar is weird that there is 2 rows and I wish that we only have 1 bar of HP, truly

[distant gyro]

what i was gonna say is that alcohol runs so much on motifs

[fervent orbit]

hp and mana bar style:

[bright crag]

I dislike random items giving max HP, but I'm fine with the rest of HP stuff

[fervent orbit]

also can i mention that calamity just does life fruits specifically for everything

like vanilla has crystals and fruits

[distant gyro]

moscow mule is directly a better vodka which is a better whiskey

[fervent orbit]

but calamity only has fruits and more fruits

[distant gyro]

and they all use to be in the same progression

[small timber]

so we should change calamity's perma max HP upgrade to ores instead

[fervent orbit]

me unfamiliar with old cal because ive only played 1.4 port onwards:

[glass arch]

use all 3 + everclear for max damage

[small timber]

"consuming life alloy can also give you 25 max HP for the first time it is consumed"

[fervent orbit]

everything before cal 1.5 is like the 1980s for me

[stone bloom]

We should change calamitys max ho upgrades to the rage/adrenaline items (joke)

[distant gyro]

fruits taste like health

and they are healthy and shit

i guess

[fervent orbit]

crystals too i guess?

[glass arch]

should make mountain dew give max hp tbh

[stone bloom]

Rock candy

[distant gyro]

i think that normally gives you cavities

[glass arch]

mmmmmm i sure do love chomping down on a rock

[stone bloom]

Mmm cavities

[glass arch]

i love shattering all of my teeth

[small timber]

all alcohols give 5x boost as normal but with each consumed lower your max HP permanently by 1 (or 2 for everclear)

[stone bloom]

Im so full of cavities yum

[glass arch]

ill fucking take it

[stone bloom]

Calavities

[glass arch]

calvanities

[tired haven]

Depending on whether the game gets confused enough to where you can reconsume life fruits, this would either make them purified jam or duped purified jam 💀

[stone bloom]

Soup

[glass arch]

why was purified jam busted again i never used it

[tired haven]

5 seconds of iframes

[glass arch]

balance™️

[tired haven]

perhaps the most extreme case of "why rarity = power is a bad idea in terraria"

[glass arch]

now im wondering

did the potion become an infinite buff at 30 stack with nycros or fargos

[tired haven]

Probably not because it was tied to 30s of potion sickness

[stone bloom]

Prob not since its a potion sickness effect

Yeah

[glass arch]

astral injection is also tied to a debuff but thats a different thing entirely

[distant gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526572244546355200/962472530390704178/2.mp4

extra large file but gets the point

[glass arch]

god if only that still existed mpg would be even more of a tank god

[distant gyro]

does mpg know of the transformer meta though

[glass arch]

i dont actually know

whats the transformer meta

[distant gyro]

i will not disclose it

[glass arch]

unfortunate

[distant gyro]

you have to find out yourself

it also works with other accessories

you'll know it works when you can tank everything while simultaneously dealing 80k dps

[fervent orbit]

id like to know

[distant gyro]

too bad it's confidential

[fervent orbit]

hints?

i want hints

[distant gyro]

it's not as complicated as you think

that's my only hint for now

[glass arch]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i must tell mpg of this

[stable kiln]

altix knows too much

do not mess with their power

[gaunt tiger]

transformer is weird

cute reference, but uhhhhhhhhh

[glass arch]

i think i figured it out

[wide river]

I think some suggestions had their votes reset

#suggestions-voting message
Like this one, I had voted on it yesterday, and it went down to 8 votes with my vote removed

[glass arch]

weird

my vote didnt get reset

[wide river]

For me it seems like even suggestion bot's vote got removed

[glass arch]

i cant check if sugg bots got removed (curse you shit wifi)

[wide river]

Let me try refreshing Discord and see if that changes anything

They're still gone, very strange

[drowsy plank]

just give it some time

discord will catch up

[lethal lily]

Aren’t Eye of Night and Flesh of Infedelity’s minions decently different though??

[wide river]

What matters is not that they are too similar (which they aren't), what matters is that they exist
Currently, they serve to be a Crimson equivalent of the Night's Ray and Eye of Night respectively, but both of them aren't great from what I hear

[frosty trellis]

Can you at least give us the stage in the game of which this power can be obtained
I think that is a fair ask

[wide river]

At least before Boss Rush

[ornate slate]

dwayne johnson is almost at 200

[wide river]

What did the user mean by this

[ornate slate]

183 rock

mixture of white and black,

[wide river]

Oh, that suggestion. The way you phrased it made me think you were in the wrong channel

[ornate slate]

nobody gets my innate genius i understand

[north oracle]

There’s a reason summon weapons get 25% less damage when you’re holding a non summon weapon

Also, multiclassing with one or two strong summons isn’t something to be discouraged

[wide river]

Also, it requests a rework at the start of the suggestion, but the proposed solution is a nerf

But also, wouldn't making them into "levelable" minions essentially just ruin their uniqueness?

[north oracle]

Yep

[drowsy plank]

what minions are we even talking about here

this is so fuckin vague

[wide river]

Flowers of Mortality, Wither Blossoms, and the like
At least, that's how I interpret it

[north oracle]

Stuff like wither blossoms, deathstare, etc

And ones like plantation too, any summon that you can only have one of

[drowsy plank]

this is excessive work, and for some multi minions, straight up reversion (ex; sirus, infected remote, etc.)

@tame mountain

[fervent orbit]

as someone who knows alot of about summoner

i have no idea what this guy is talking about

by this logic wrath of the ancients should continiously fuck up ur mana or smthn

[wide river]

Clearly Clinger Staff should be an active weapon that drains your mana while in use

[drowsy plank]

astral grass does not drop hay this should absolutely be fixed immediately

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure even just by itself that is a more valid suggestion that what's in posting

[north oracle]

So true

Suggestions users when they post an invalid sugg and instantly go offline

[wide river]

Oh my god I think they actually did

Rule breaking 100

[swift wharf]

me when classes play differently from eachother

[drowsy plank]

posting it because funny

[blazing kettle]

erm, poor reasoning? do better next time bub

[fervent orbit]

oh yea i saw some minor inconsistency but i forgot wat exactly

does crags have grass

i forgor

[bright crag]

(We intentionally removed leveling minions)

(Because unless you have something like the dragon, the leveling curve is weird)

[north oracle]

Cog you need to fix your reasoning now

[dense ferry]

Astral Hay

[bright crag]

Haywire

[fervent orbit]

i cant believe someone would make a suggestion then dip ||especially cog||

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
I'm not actually sure how much reasoning this one needs, considering it's essentially just a cosmetic suggestion
Maybe just a point about how most other grasses yield hay when broken

[fervent orbit]

it needs a whole essay of reasoning

it needs to be longer than the chaos elemental one

[north oracle]

You can’t expect something like that to get added without some really in depth reasoning

[wide river]

"When you break grass in terraria I expect my lawn to be mowed in real life"
-That guy, probably

[drowsy plank]

that is literally the only line in sugg

"All other grasses drop hay when hit with a Scythe except Astral."

[north oracle]

[wide river]

Oh, I didn't notice that
Oopsies

[drowsy plank]

lol

[fervent orbit]

too short of a reasoning

u need to tell us about the future impacts this would have on the mod

like would it affect any of the boss fights?

[royal tapir]

Me after I can’t crash the Target Dummy economy

[swift wharf]

this actually affects how we perceive the scythe item as a method of acquiring hay rather than it's true purpose and i dame cannot continue the damebit

[gilded scroll]

this feels like my wulfrum toilet suggestion

a big meme

[blazing kettle]

i have but one question for myself, why did i make this and god forbid spend time on it

[bright crag]

So true

[north oracle]

Yeah, why did you spend time on this

[blazing kettle]

se true....

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-water-type-starter-pokemon-gif-15784642

[swift wharf]

the voices in my head telling me to pin that image

shoulve added suggestion bot telling cog to ❗ himself

[undone cedar]

Good image

[wide river]

This is simultaneously really poorly made and also really well made

[blazing kettle]

my specialty

[north oracle]

do it

[frosty trellis]

Why am I not on there lmao

[blazing kettle]

shit youre right

i already uninstalled picsart so too bad

[frosty trellis]

Like
Literally it was me and cog that was the start of fixing class setups back in the day lol

[blazing kettle]

sorry i didnt know the cal discord lore

[drowsy plank]

@blazing kettle if you add this in the blank slot ill pin it

[grim tusk]

I NEED A GOOD REASON

@drowsy plank improve wording pls and thx

[ripe owl]

So true

[drowsy plank]

is that better lmao

[grim tusk]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

cool lol

[blazing kettle]

the image wont fucking SEND

[frosty trellis]

Rip

[brave heath]

So I was bombarded by cloud elementals while sky fishing today and had an idea, elementals are suppossed to be either very rare or one of a kind like anahita in the lore right?

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

generally theyre one of a kind

besides the normal enemy ones which iirc the lore is that they split themselves into pieces

[brave heath]

What if heart of the elements also worked as a silencer for their spawns? Optionally including ??? (I know siren proof earmuffs exist)

This works with the lore in two ways:

[blazing kettle]

@drowsy plank i fixed it

[north oracle]

Lmao

[brave heath]

You are less likely to see two anahitas at once for instance, and the second reason would be that the elementals being on your side could be the reason their kind won't attack you

[glass arch]

we need something other than a favoritable item to block spawns

[brave heath]

Lore point aside the point is just having an item to disable the elemental spawns, as conditional as they are they can still be annoying

And it gives heart of the elements more purpose

[glass arch]

hote needs something

[brave heath]

Haven't suggested this yet, but what do you guys think? (And gals)

[errant bobcat]

Hote also needs to work in vanity slot

Not any of their attacks obviously but summon them

Or does it already idr

[glass arch]

it doesnt anymore iir

it did in 1.3 i believe

[errant bobcat]

K

[brave heath]

It doesn't really make it any better but gives it more usage at least

Makes sense lore wise too

[halcyon zealot]

l m a o

where's the occasional fabsol incident

[blazing kettle]

huh?

[halcyon zealot]

nvm forget that

[novel belfry]

I NEED post ml astral infection

[drowsy plank]

me trying to decide if pinning this is a good idea or not

[drowsy plank]

fuck it we ball

worse case someone unpins it

[wide river]

Pin order

Make the actual guidelines and such above the meme, that way when we direct people to the pins, they see the important stuff

[novel belfry]

turn it into a sticker instead

[drowsy plank]

actually if i do pin this i should probably

move it to the bottom

this is gonna be a lot

just like #lore-discussion lmao

[novel belfry]

i had to double take that for a second

was tabbed out dying to night provi

[gilded scroll]

and that is my contribution to this channel

[north oracle]

cognitiveAfflatus pinned a message to this channel

[undone cedar]

cognjtiveAffkatue spam

[novel belfry]

rover is going to be incredibly confused when they see this

[cobalt pewter]

mod powers™

[ripe owl]

Yep

The May is indeed the month of The Great Pin Wall

[errant bobcat]

I feel like this chat is devolving into glorified #calamity-mod-talk at this point

[grim tusk]

Ye thats enough sticker spam

[halcyon zealot]

wait

one more

[drowsy plank]

okay fr stop

[lucid flare]

ok NOW you stop posting yaron stickers

[errant bobcat]

MAN, now we can’t do that anymore

[lucid flare]

[ripe owl]

Man...

[halcyon zealot]

[cosmic karma]

i only see a dragon

theres no man in that picture,

[north oracle]

Man

[gaunt tiger]

Man

[ripe owl]

Woman

[cobalt pewter]

Discord users try not to spam anything challenge (impossible)

[errant bobcat]

True

[hybrid steeple]

[novel belfry]

im so glad they made this into a sticker

now next, we have to make this into one:

it works way better as a sticker tbh

[twin sparrow]

Yharon -- Has feathers, therefore not man

[ripe owl]

Horse - Is a horse, therefore not man

If you wanna play this game

[undone cedar]

Man is a featherless biped

[north oracle]

So true

[ripe owl]

No, that's a Don't

@drowsy plank hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[drowsy plank]

@ornate shale reversion dont and lack of reasoning

[wide river]

I feel like we've been getting this suggestion a lot more recently

[drowsy plank]

yes

[north oracle]

Yeah, it’s come up a few times

[ornate shale]

The reasoning… I thought it was more fun the old way

[drowsy plank]

read the pins

[ornate shale]

I don’t really know how to add more reasoning though
Major self L

[hollow shell]

ah

[north oracle]

reverting a change is just not an allowed suggestion anyway

[hollow shell]

And yes I agree with this suggestion
However it is unfortunately really weak reasoning-wise and we do indeed have a Don't regarding restoring the mod to a previous state

[ornate shale]

Aight it’s gone

[ornate shale]

Just like yharon and DOG phase two

[novel belfry]

I don't know why I seem to despise the "Don't sugg about reverting a change" rule

[north oracle]

i mean there's a reason it was changed
even if that reason is unpopular, there's no point sending a sugg telling the devs to change something that's already been done back

[novel belfry]

maybe its just because I for some reason still feel salty about how they completely neutered the yharon "revive" change

like, I know why it has to be there

but still

[bright crag]

It's not really neutered

I could forward it myself to the dev server, I also liked the revive

It just won't go anywhere :p
Because I'm pretty sure the majority of the team would vote against it

And well, it's their preference
Can't do anything about it

[novel belfry]

but also this should be a sticker

[small timber]

tbh, there might be a chance (not necessarily the revive, but some of the old changes) to go through

since the dev team got changed a lot which might shift the votes on some of the things

craftable ROD suggestion will definitely go through 0 copium

[bright crag]

No, like

[bright crag]

This already considers the new scenario

It was brought up fairly recently

So... yeah

[hollow shell]

I personally do feel like the Don't should probably have a time limit on it
Because it was primarily made to prevent people from being super reactionary
Like right after an update comes out, people being like "This thing is DIFFERENT NOW, please make it LIKE IT WAS BEFORE"

Maybe 1 year.

[crude geode]

Sounds reasonable

I feel like it’s kinda hard to come up with reasoning for reverting changes as is, with the Yharon one being a kinda decent example

Since a large amount of the reasoning kinda boils down to “it’s cool”

[hollow shell]

It is indeed hard to put into objective terms

But I do find value in the "cool factor"
I feel like Yharon regenerating his health was a very memorable moment that is now lost, due only to Fabsol's personal preference and annoyance at a Dark Souls 3 boss

[crude geode]

Wait what

[north oracle]

Seriously lmao

[crude geode]

I thought it was due to some weird thing where you could kill him before he revived

[north oracle]

Fabsol whyyyyy

[hollow shell]

From what I remember, that was part of the reason
Sister Friede having 3 full health bars
And Fabsol disliked that you are unable to tell how long a fight is from the initial health bar

[crude geode]

Yeah it is kinda wack

[cobalt heath]

bro that's just dum

friedes suprice factor is super cool even initially

[small timber]

DoG one never made sense to me (the new one to me is even better I think), but yeah Yharon current one is just nothing

because there are additional ways you can convey a boss having multiple health bar, such as just having the HP bar have a different effect, eg: instead of the bar emptying out just have the bottom bar instead slowly filled with a "red bar" (normal full HP bar is yellow and then as the boss get damaged it become empty); therefore you know for sure something is not normal

especially that the boss is dying way faster than expected

[cobalt heath]

ye I would like that 1st phase was like

a shield of sorts

and the 2nd bar was the real deal

I don't think I can sug that but I defo would if it wasn't a major one to do

like have hp be 200%, you delete the 100%, 2nd phase and real fight starts

rover if you come a long can you give your verdict

[hollow shell]

My verdict on what
The secondary health bar idea?

[cobalt heath]

yep

like yharon having a shield for 1st phase

and the real hp on 2nd

does it violate

the too big addition rule

[cobalt pewter]

rpg games tend to layer different colors of HP to simulate Multiple HP bars

Terraria also does this to some extent with pillars

they start with a blue shield then once it's down, their HP is exposed

[cobalt heath]

yeah exactly

that is my idea

implement the same tech to yharon

that would might need a visual tweak to indicate yharon having a shield, which is why I ask rover first

and also it is kinda on thin ice with the revive thing

[hollow shell]

Yeah I suppose that would be fine to suggest

Still doesn't hit the same as the health bar regenerating as RotJD starts up
but, I spose it's better than him just changing phases at 60% health or whenever

[cobalt heath]

okie

I bet fab will shut me down but what ever

[hollow shell]

(I doubt Fab will even see the suggestion, let alone react to it)

Maybe things are different in the current dev environment tho

[small timber]

tbh the "regenerating boss HP bar" as long as it is not overdone I am completely fine with it, similar to "desperation phase"

if every boss have a 2nd hp bar and a desperation phase then it get annoying pretty fast because it is expected and you just end up not knowing if they have 2 or 50 HP bar, but if for a single boss yeah really is not a problem

[cobalt heath]

the issue with yharon having a desperation phase is that 2nd phase is very clearly a true 2nd phase

like in souls bosses have that

etc

[small timber]

no by desperation phase I mean the boss basically stall their death and refuse to die before executing a "final big attack", no boss in calamity does that

closest one is Scal but she does it at 8% instead of 0.01% HP

ok I am about to suggest something that have a 99% chance to get denied

[cobalt heath]

oh boe

[cobalt pewter]

cue monke boss in sekiro

[cobalt heath]

which one

there are 3 of them

[cobalt pewter]

the one that ||still fights when you chopped its head off||

[cobalt heath]

still 2 of them

the one ||had the head at the start or the one that didn't?||

[frosty trellis]

Ceaselus Void:

[small timber]

oh right CV yeah, I completely forgot about that one

for some reason I always thought it is a Phase 4

[frosty trellis]

Odd but fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

the former

[cobalt heath]

so kinda like the 3rd boss in hades works @small timber ?

[hollow shell]

Yeah this sugg seems fine

[vagrant spindle]

i agree
deus definitely needs some changes, this would make it a little more involved

[tired haven]

Eh, I disagree. The issue is in fact from lack of consistency. If every boss you meet has exactly 2 healthbars, you are aware of this design choice and plan accordingly. Adding a few bosses with 2 healthbars within the 1 healthbar game feels special, but also is exactly what causes frustration and uncertainty

though to be clear, I did like yharon's 2 healthbars because they were thematically reflected and didn't affect total fight duration

[small timber]

the question is if every boss have 2 health bar then at that point just make it 50% max hp instead yes

[cobalt heath]

Could just use a shield mecanism 🤷‍♂️

[small timber]

I think yharon is allowed to be the exception, because there will be no other boss with any form of sudden revive until yharim

[cobalt heath]

for yharon, deus is a different case

[small timber]

especially that its theme is a phoenix/dragon hybrid

oh right I just realise my deus suggestion never went through

[cobalt heath]

(and I believe that yharon and yharim should share the shield thing)

[small timber]

this one

[dense ferry]

I'm going to explode but

I still don't think Yharon needs a second health bar AT ALL

I think the transition itself should simply be more cinematic

Having a second bar just makes it cheap and predictable that the second phase is about to start, which is exactly against the point of the second phase, where you realize shit is about to go down because of the music transition

[small timber]

I think the best transition should be that yharon gain 99% DR but have a "hidden health bar" where once it depleted yharon transition to phase 2 and start taking damage

and have a chat message pop up during the fight saying like "your pathetic attempt at trying to hurt a god do not work"

peak super secret hidden ultra surprise Phase 2 transition boom 100% unpredictable super cinematic transformation

[dense ferry]

I cannot fathom if you are being ironic or not

[tired haven]

At this point, me neither

Well, the dialogue should be the dead takeaway... right?

[dense ferry]

Probably?

[lavish condor]

I'm curious as to how a second bar makes second phase more predictable than a single bar? The transition is still at a consistent amount of health so it's predictable as soon as you've seen it once either way

[dense ferry]

The second health bar would always be shown

[lavish condor]

oh

[cobalt heath]

no not a desperation phase that's exactly the kind of bs that it was w the revive

[dense ferry]

@small timber could swap "complicated" in the last paragraph for "complex"

[small timber]

done

[dense ferry]

👍

[random talon]

mucho texto

[hollow shell]

"You, the player, are attempting to do a Low% run."
Immediately not a good start

[random talon]

sorry guys

[hollow shell]

But I'll read the rest and get back to you

[random talon]

oh crap

ok

I'm getting a very bad feeling all of the sudden

[small timber]

you know what will be able to prevent natural eye of cthulhu spawn

by being under 200 max HP

[random talon]

damn

[small timber]

you are already doing low% my as well be below 200 max HP

[random talon]

I guess my autism was kicking in for that one lmao

[hollow shell]

Alright so
You shouldn't (or rather, can't) use self-imposed challenges as reasoning for your suggestion
which includes Low%
(as well as the much more common "weapon type" playthroughs i.e. All Yoyos or All Sentries)

[random talon]

yea, the holes in the suggestion are bigger than the Grand Canyon

[small timber]

"please make every weapon in the game dropped by enemy instead of crafted because I am doing a playthrough where I can't craft and it is currently too hard"

[hollow shell]

Second point:

so, that Cobalt mining point is not exactly true

[random talon]

Yea

[hollow shell]

I don't think the suggestion is inherently invalid

[random talon]

But it was made invalid by my smooth brain moments

[hollow shell]

lol

Back when I was a dev we had the idea for an item to instantly despawn any alive bosses when used
That was actually a "purpose" that Terminus had for a while

before it got a spawn animation iirc

But that plan kinda fell by the wayside

[random talon]

Interesting

[hollow shell]

If that idea gets implemented then that would solve this issue too

[random talon]

I mean, Save and Exit works well enough

[hollow shell]

Indeed though that's a bit cumbersome and unintentional feeling

Just like how no resource in the world is technically limited because you can always generate a whole new world and enter it with the same character, something allowed by Terraria's mechanics,
but we always design the game assuming that players will never do that

(Not a perfect comparison but relevant I guess
We assume that going to the main menu is not part of "gameplay")

[random talon]

yea

[dense ferry]

Tbh having an item that just despawns Bosses is kinda lame

Deal with the thing when it spawns, it doesn't take too long

[random talon]

Unrelated but I remember when I first played Terraria and was blown away by my character keeping their inventory when they enter a new world

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's something Minecraft doesn't give you lol

[earnest goblet]

So it's really not that difficult compared to malice imo, I and my friend half passed hardmod without potions on Death FTW, I always liked malice because there are some bosses are extremely difficult even with calamity potions, death mod can safely play with the usual potions, or even without them imo (or I and my friend just got used to play without them idk)

At least I still miss malice

[stone bloom]

Already exists in vanilla. Its called leave world

[dense ferry]

.

[cobalt pewter]

cope

malice was fuckin ass

okay I have to suppress malice hate

I don't want to be disruptive

[random talon]

malice BoC looked like the work of the Devil himself

[glass arch]

thats just malice

[tired haven]

It's in the name, really

[dense ferry]

Malice is, infact, quite malicious

[random talon]

telefraging after inventing BoC

[glass arch]

telefragging after inventing deerclops

[random talon]

he teleports?

[glass arch]

shadow hands

[cobalt pewter]

the hands do

[random talon]

ah I see

[cobalt pewter]

and they're As

s

[random talon]

can't imagine nohitters like Deerclops that much

[glass arch]

when i did 900% deerclops i never died to any of deerclops attacks aside from the hands

[ornate slate]

only 10 votes left

we are almost there

[hollow shell]

until.. 170?

[wide river]

It's 190 for me, the rock suggestion anyway

(I kinda feel like this is advertising the suggestion a bit, regardless)

[hybrid steeple]

#suggestions-voting users when theres a tiny change that would do literally nothing to vote on

[wide river]

They will vote on the meme suggestions rather than the ones that are actually beneficial
...But then again, that pylon suggestion of mine got to devs, so I guess it's not always the case

[random talon]

I guess my "Diminishing Returns money" suggestion is unwanted

can't blame them

[hybrid steeple]

luckily my provi biome sugg is just over the 20% line

[random talon]

I love money

[wide river]

There were some opinions that it was too complex of a system, so people didn't vote on it
Maybe a different suggestion that asks for just straight up reducing the money that bosses drop, or just making them not drop money at all will be viewed more favorably

[random talon]

I see

but it could also be bc cal players love money

Which I don't mind

Bc I love money too

[hybrid steeple]

capitalism

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
A small note: The only real difference between the two big slimes in the Slime God fight is the projectiles that are fired after the jump attack, aside from that they are the same boss.
Otherwise, I think that this is a good suggestion, I can't see anything wrong with it

[dense ferry]

Well, that would be a good suggestion, if not for the fact that

#suggestions-posting message

[wide river]

That one is requesting a change in Death Mode only, the new one is requesting that it gets changes across all modes

[random talon]

it's such a good suggestion that it was suggested twice

[dense ferry]

They are still incredibly similar tbh

[wide river]

One of them's gotta go, in any case

Having two suggestions that are essentially requesting the same thing is not going to go well in voting

[ornate shale]

@coarse tartan I really love the astrum deus. They don't have very many attacks but the ones they have a brutal and punishing. Whenever I have a clean phase two it feels super good cause I feel like a dodging god.

[cobalt heath]

I liked the old one better

[ornate shale]

There was an old one?

[hollow shell]

There's a uhh, already an Astrum Deus Phase 2 suggestion in posting right now

Dunno if it's a good idea to have another

[wide river]

@coarse tartan Please note that there is another suggestion regarding the same issue as yours, if you could delete yours and save it for later that would be appreciated

...Oh, they're offline. That's just perfect

[ornate slate]

doesnt it get sent automatically if it reaches 200

[wide river]

No, I don't think it ever did that. There's a post in the pins that shows how suggestion transfer works, so I suggest reading that.

[ornate slate]

thought it used to do that

hm

[north oracle]

A while ago there was a star number that suggestions had to reach, instead of the top % getting sent

[wide river]

Oh yes, you're completely right. Haven't read the suggestions timeline in a bit, so I guess I forgot about it

[coarse tartan]

K

[drowsy plank]

honestly i was also gonna sugg something like that since 12 worm is dead now

having an actually cool split AI fight would be neat since deus is a bit of a 7/10 atm

so hopefully they do come back to post it later

if not i might lol

[golden tulip]

in what world is a 7/10 considered bad

[wide river]

It's not necessarily bad, it's just that it could be better

[golden tulip]

if its not bad id rather have devs focus on things that are bad tbh

[crude geode]

Agreed

Ravager moment (when is he being moved )

[hybrid steeple]

when is it being redesigned tbh

[swift wharf]

20XX

[random talon]

when's who being redesigned?

[errant bobcat]

Honestly I like the Deus fight, other than the fact that it is yet another worm

[random talon]

Deus leaves his balls all over the place. it's so hard to dodge

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
That's... just the housing flags. You can do this already

[wispy plume]

wdym housing flags?

ohh you mean the things in the housing menu?

[wide river]

In the housing menu, you can select an NPC flag and click on the house you want them to live in

[wispy plume]

ik that

but I mean for npcs moving in

like how if I build a house

having a specific npc move in

[random talon]

simply murder the angler to make room

[wispy plume]

idk if that makes sense, what i'm trying to describe

[wispy plume]

Ive tried

[swift wharf]

well if you mark a house for that npc and it is the only house available, other ncps won't spawn iirc

[wispy plume]

it doesnt seem to work

[random talon]

that kid is way too tough

[wispy plume]

when I kill Angler

[random talon]

hey does he still drop the Golden fishing rod?

[wispy plume]

sadly no

[random talon]

:(

[wispy plume]

what do I see in chat? "The angler has moved in"

I mean for an npc moving into an empty house

[zealous maple]

the Angler no longer drops golden rod?

[edgy sundial]

npcs are known to respawn

[bright crag]

I think Angler still drops the rod

At least in HM

When Trashers kill him

I mean, you can also build another house
So there's houses for every NPC

[wispy plume]

Here's what I mean

and this just happened

I killed the Angler

bc I wanted merchant

and dont want or need angler

and a few minutes later

the angler moves back in

I want to be able to control what npc moves in

[edgy sundial]

have you considered building a second house?

[drowsy plank]

yeah no this has like no reasoning

@wispy plume I have no idea how or why you would do this. Just build more houses; it really isn't that hard. Gonna need more reasoning.

[crude geode]

Mfw I am forced to build in the sandbox game

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

Insert 2040 meme

[random talon]

Fargo's

[wispy plume]

mk i deleted suggestion then

[random talon]

[crude geode]

Fargo’s is peak 2040

[random talon]

I know

I really do not like Fargo's Mutant mod

[hybrid steeple]

ravager?

[random talon]

I see

also when you think about it

Ravager's theming is just "random bulllshit go!"

there's flesh, rocks, fire

all kinds of crazy stuff

[blazing kettle]

yall should gas cogs astral hay sugg

[random talon]

why?

[swift wharf]

nah ravager theme is somewhat fine

rock necromancy

[blazing kettle]

because he pinned my meme and i am biased

[glass arch]

it works in pre hm

[swift wharf]

daedalus however

[random talon]

I mean, it works really well

[glass arch]

reasoning being i watched it happen 3 or 4 different times on wfb

[frosty trellis]

It works pre-boss

[swift wharf]

frigid when it
when ice star crystal night light

[crude geode]

Except also fire and rockets

[random talon]

yes

[swift wharf]

fuc

[crude geode]

and sparks don’t forget sparks

[swift wharf]

sparks = fire.....

byea you got me on the rockets

[crude geode]

Shush

[random talon]

electric sparks?

[swift wharf]

the drills are a relic of old jalamity

[random talon]

jalamity

[hybrid steeple]

i despise current rav

it barely looks like a flesh golem
it overemphasizes rock when its a bunch of corpses put together

its golem 2

iban rav was the greatest loss of the exodus

[random talon]

Its theme is amazing tho

[crude geode]

You better be putting a /s there

[random talon]

doo doo doo do do doo doo doo do do dooooo dododoo doo dooooooooooo

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

tbf jban ravager also meant crags

so it is the biggest loss

[hybrid steeple]

no im 100% serious

iban rav goes so fucking hard

and would do its lore justice

[random talon]

iban?

[crude geode]

Old cal dev

[random talon]

I see

[hybrid steeple]

left in the exodus

made all of the cool resprite concept art you may have seen

[crude geode]

Art when it overshadows the artist

[wide river]

Also (probably) famous for wanting the Wulfrum Fishing Pole gone

[random talon]

I mean

[hybrid steeple]

plus it wouldve not been golem 2

the axe limb

[random talon]

why does the fishing pole exist?

[crude geode]

The actual thing lost in dev exodus

[wide river]

(That is not at all fame-worthy)

[swift wharf]

i imagine iban rav working with procedural animation rather than just sprites

[crude geode]

I don’t think you can call them drills when

[swift wharf]

cuz how the FUCK do you move that thing organically

HUH

[hybrid steeple]

yeah it was goingt o iirc

[crude geode]

Even better

[hybrid steeple]

but yeah i genuinely hate rav rn, from a design, gameplay and sprite perspective

it does not do its lore and music justice

[crude geode]

I don’t think ravager has ever been able to escape being golem 2

[blazing kettle]

iban had a idea to change jte boss but it was too complicated

plus

uh

he isnt on the team anymore

[hybrid steeple]

yes i know

greatest loss of the exodus

[crude geode]

A few other bosses have been able to escape boss but electric boogaloo, but ravager has never quite been able to separate himself identity wise

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

iban rav wouldve but

[cosmic karma]

you would have to rebuild it from the ground up

[hybrid steeple]

mhm (they should do that)

[cosmic karma]

current rav feels too static

[blazing kettle]

they should bring back the scavenger

[crude geode]

Scravenger

[cosmic karma]

the scraggler

[hybrid steeple]

but yeah like
why does it have rock flesh missiles
like actual missiles
why is it so rock themed

[wide river]

Because ???

[crude geode]

and lasers.

[blazing kettle]

because gore would be too gros

[crude geode]

No?

[cosmic karma]

i could see like more of a magic focus than like just Stone

[crude geode]

Gore setting exists for a reason

[wide river]

Make Ravager's sprite become a cloud when Blood and Gore is turned off
Nah, no point in that. Not like Blood and Gore changes other boss sprites

[hybrid steeple]

when open frenzy starts playing and you expect a giant flesh construct but its squat-ass golem flailing its arms

[crude geode]

True

[blazing kettle]

it would be funny if it worked only for ravager

[cosmic karma]

wall of cloud

[crude geode]

Tbfh I also kinda dislike Ravager’s drops

[cosmic karma]

true

ravagers drops are very mediocre

[crude geode]

Neither of them mix his theme very well. They either go rock or blood theme and never really manage to actually mix the two together

[north oracle]

Except Vesuvius

[cosmic karma]

thats also vesuvius

[north oracle]

True

[crude geode]

Vesuvius may be good but it is good in the eyes of the lore with Ravager’s theme

It fires fucking meteorites which like.

[wide river]

I was going to make a suggestion about reworking Ravager drops, but... eh. Not much point, really.

[crude geode]

[hybrid steeple]

they should make them all blood themed why is it so rock themed it has no rock in its lore why is it rock themed

[crude geode]

Did they change the original intent in recent lore plans

Cuz I remember devs claiming it was like. Rock necromancy

[cosmic karma]

was a last chance to stop yharims war basically

warlocks pledged their lives to it and it killed them

[bright crag]

DoG was imo
You can make a Ravager that follows the flesh golem theme without too much extrapolation
While DoG was a thoroughly unique and awesome take

[crude geode]

Yeah

[hybrid steeple]

that dog was cool yeah

but that ravager specifically was perfect

hopefully the chances of having a ravager radically different from how it is now weren't lost with it

[crude geode]

Tbfh wasn’t iban’s take just make it pure flesh

[bright crag]

No
We still wanna have a more fleshy Ravager

[crude geode]

Yeah

[hybrid steeple]

yes