suggestions-discussion

[jagged zealot]

My edits. It's not my writing. I didn't write this. I simply re-uploaded it, and those slanted stuff is my notes

[hollow shell]

Nobody is going to understand that who wasn't in this channel at the time to receive that context

[jagged zealot]

Which is why I wanted to give credit, but people said not to.

[hollow shell]

Anybody seeing the suggestion in voting or the dev server is just going to get confused and distracted

It would be way better if the entire suggestion was formatted the same way and you just had a little credit given at the end

idk what other people were saying

[jagged zealot]

I JUST SAID I WANTED TO DO THAT FROM THE START!!

everyone said that would be bad of me to do

and that it causes problems

so this was the next best thing for me

[hollow shell]

Enchilada was just being humble

[jagged zealot]

not him.

the other dude

[hollow shell]

And Raesh yeah technically this is true but giving one sentence of credit is better than this alternative

[jagged zealot]

That's what I was originally going to do. this line they said was against it

[hollow shell]

I officially supercede Raesh's opinion because I'm an admin and the suggestion manager

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

or just don't credit at all and be rude

[jagged zealot]

DONE!!! Got to do what I wanted to do from the start

[drowsy plank]

your title still has it

also yes you do not need to give credit like

ever

these are suggestions not novels, no one is even gonna remember these messages after the things get implemented and/or denied

[hollow shell]

This is much better

[hollow shell]

(Clearly they want to)

[drowsy plank]

it will just confuse people but w/e your funeral ig

[jagged zealot]

🙄

Changed it

[golden sonnet]

I agree it's better than the alternative, but doing neither keeps things the most brief. As mentioned though was just my opinion and Rover/the mods are the ones who actually decide things, I probably should have mentioned that

[jagged zealot]

I will not cut corners. I will always try within reason to give credit where it is due.

[ripe owl]

Isn't that one of the Don'ts

[hollow shell]

Only Thorium is on the Don'ts

as a Freq

We've gotten valid mod compat suggestions before

Census comes to mind

[wide river]

And then there was that wikithis one from a few months back that got implemented

[hollow shell]

This one would be much more involved but still doable

[wide river]

I don't see anything from the bot about this, so either it's been the first of its kind, or all the other ones got shot down somehow

[hollow shell]

I thought we did get worldgen mod suggestions before

Yeah at least this one
#suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Ohhh. I must've been looking up the wrong keywords then

[ripe owl]

Blike, I still think it should be out of question

Calamity supports only Large worlds for a reason

[hollow shell]

cuz that's the balanced Exo Mech arena size, any larger and it becomes too easy

[ripe owl]

Rover you are so true as always

[hollow shell]

thank you

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
And as for this one, I'm a little uncertain on the reasoning, but overall I think it should be fine

[hollow shell]

age old suggestion
making Jellyfish Necklace easier to get

One of the very few crafting tree items that Calamity does not add an alternative obtainment method for iirc

[frosty trellis]

This physically hurts me to read as someone who used not even a 5th of the surface for a 1:23:57 Exos fight with Tainted Burning Sky

[hollow shell]

Well that's Tainted Burning Sky

[frosty trellis]

The fight was a joke

The fight is where, as a joke, I facetanked blender and got the original blender facetank clip on accident

[wide river]

I see two suggestions about it already, so obviously it's not like this is an issue for just one person
The only part I'm uneasy about is the "You can sometimes go for a long time without finding the lab" part, which I get is a possibility, but also the lab is really big

[hollow shell]

The seeking mechanism does also exist now

(I thought it was still a 1/3 roll if you got the Arctic Diving Gear there but nawh that's an old thing)

[wide river]

Ye, the other two things got removed from the drop pool so now Arctic Diving Gear is guaranteed

[small timber]

jellyfish is also one of the more common enemy type, being encounterable in both just underground + water or ocean (which they spawn a lot)

and of course zerg potion exist

[crude geode]

more often than not I'm just annoyed at getting 500 life jelly when trying to get jellyfish necklace

[wide river]

1% drop chances are a strange thing. You either get them decently frequently, or it almost never shows up
The multiplayer playthrough with some friends where we got two Terragrims within 50 Cosmic Elementals comes to mind

[north oracle]

along with a natural RoD drop iirc

[wide river]

Wait, hold on, it's only a 7.5% chance of a Life Jelly dropping from Pink Jellyfish???
With how frequently they drop, you'd think it'd be higher

[wide river]

Yes it's stupid how lucky that got

[north oracle]

and somehow

coin gun

without anyone realising

[wide river]

This got sidetracked from the original suggestion, but I feel it should be brought up
For some reason, Life Jelly has a lower drop rate from its respective jellyfish compared to Mana and Vital Jelly

[crude geode]

probably because pink jellyfish are more common in their area (the ocean)

[ripe owl]

Yeah

[wide river]

I feel like that's the only explanation
There's not much argument to be made aside from just "Make it consistent", so I guess there's no point in suggesting a change to it
Making all of the drop chances lower would probably annoy some people, and making Life Jelly's higher would make it drop much more frequently

[crude geode]

it's already obnoxiously common compared to jellyfish necklace

[wide river]

Clearly the solution is to remove the Jellies entirely

[frosty trellis]

Two, for that matter

[crude geode]

honestly true tbh

all the jellies do is lead to more stat sticks

[north oracle]

I’m sorry what

[wide river]

Yea, a second one dropped at some point

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[north oracle]

LMAO

[frosty trellis]

Fryzahh got a second one in the farm almost immediately after it was done being constructed

[north oracle]

That’s amazing

[night jolt]

@glass arch The Arctic Diving Gear in the Ice Lab is literally guaranteed, so you should probably take that bit out of your suggestion

[night jolt]

And it doesn't seem particularly illogical to make a crafting recipe. Just take a couple glowsticks and one of the Jelly accessories and it'd make sense.

[golden sonnet]

I personally am in favor of buffing drop rates, I feel a lot of things are too easy to get

[hollow shell]

Take it out of the suggestion? Why?
It's the strongest counterargument and the thing he'd need to acknowledge the most

[north oracle]

Lmao

[night jolt]

I meant the part where he said it was a luck based find, which it very objectively is not

Same goes with the next part about not finding it for a really long time when you can just craft the Cyan Seeking Mechanism

[drowsy plank]

uh

how many times has this thing been put up fr

@hollow shell i can't remember if this is invalid or not, but regardless, can you add this to the don't doc's frequently suggested considering how many times people have asked for this already

[crude geode]

pretty sure once

rover only found one mention of it in voting

[drowsy plank]

yeah but those are only counts of it reaching voting tbf

im pretty sure ive already flagged this exact sugg twice i just dont remember why

excessive work? not cal's problem? i dont remember the reasoning so im holding off for a minute

plus id like for it to just be specified in the doc because we see it so much

[north oracle]

yeh, i remember this type of sugg being flagged a few times, not sure why tho

[hollow shell]

My memory is unfortunately not perfect and I can't keep track of everything that's gone through posting and got deleted with a flag (doesn't show up in our delete notifs)
If you can find me more instances of it being sent in the past then I can add it, if it actually is a lot

Just for clarity you're talking about the worldgen suggestion right?

all of your messages are actually comically ambiguous whether it's referring to the worldgen sugg or the necklace sugg
"excessive work? not cal's problem?" makes me think worldgen, but I remember a lot more instances of the jellyfish necklace sugg than modded worldgen

[ripe owl]

Hey Rover could you check media channel?

[hollow shell]

Zavarski moment

[ripe owl]

Certainly

[cobalt heath]

@thorn dock there is a thread to post balance suggs

[thorn dock]

Alright ty^_^

I m deleting it from voting then?

[cobalt heath]

I would not as ur sugg has 2 parts

the other being balancing, other being a full function

someone more experienced can help you make it about the function

[thorn dock]

Okay fine ^_^ deleted it from Posting

[hollow shell]

Uhh hm

Debatable whether that was a balance sugg or not

[cobalt heath]

it had 2 parts

that's why I said to keep it

[glass arch]

its guaranteed if you can find it, which is what i brought up in the sugg

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Seeking_Mechanisms

I do agree that Jellyfish Necklace is out of place not having a recipe or alt method despite like every other big crafting tree vanilla item getting one

But
there do be seeking mechanisms

[glass arch]

yeah

it still doesnt fix the other issue i brought up which is multiplayer

if you lose it or somebody whos offline has it you need to grind for jellyfish necklace in order to make it

[hollow shell]

indeed multiplayer indeed

[glass arch]

and this can happen because that exact situation is what led to me making the sugg

[hollow shell]

lol

[drowsy plank]

was referring to XL yeah but i mean if you think they can do it i guess there isn't really too much of an issue, i just remember it being denied for something like that

[fossil finch]

This sugg again so awesome

[glass arch]

wasnt there a whole saga in like cal 1.3 where they tried to get larger world sizes to work and instead broke the mod

[fossil finch]

Not really

Like most is the ozz comments about how xl didn't work and that's kinda it

[hollow shell]

Are you thinking of that time Calamity extended the world height to accommodate Planetoids and caused a whole bunch of world-height-based problems

[fossil finch]

What we do remember is that

[glass arch]

i think so

[fossil finch]

It's so funny of a decision

Wasn't it also sometime changed to, instead of expanding the world, pushing the surface down or smt like that?

[glass arch]

im not sure exactly what it was because i wasnt around for that but i remember yuh saying the worldgen saga didnt work for most people when i was talking about playing old versions of cal

[hollow shell]

(I do hope I'm not bein all double standard or letting some through while exclaiming others)

(I truly just don't have suggs about this worldgen mod in recent memory)

[drowsy plank]

nah id be fine with this getting into voting anyway

[fossil finch]

There have been a lot, rover

To they're still valid technically

[cobalt heath]

this is what happens when you get new mods who have been active here

they exlaim these things before you see them rover

[hollow shell]

Potentially yeah it could've been Cog
or more likely, Shade

[errant wren]

oh so i don't need that mod anymore?

man

[drowsy plank]

yknow being able to craft the necklace would make sense tbqh. just like, use those bait jellyfish + a chain

[tired haven]

I have to admit I'm so upset that literally everything has to be craftable for people to have peace of mind

[glass arch]

i dont even care if it gets a recipe

[dense ferry]

There is the Frost Diving Gear on the Tundra Biolab so

[glass arch]

i just want it to not be a 1% drop

[dense ferry]

I don't like that either but I must admit that

Jellyfish Necklace is fucking ass

[glass arch]

yeah i talked about that in the sugg

it works but multiplayer

[tired haven]

Well, I guess since diving helmet sits at like 5%, then having necklace at 3-5% wouldn't be unreasonable
(the reason for lower rate is that jellies are more common)

well, not for 1% low. That's indeed ass

[glass arch]

yeah for reference while farming for it (i never actually got it) i encountered 5 ???s (on an mp server so no siren proof earmuffs ) and spawned analevi once

[wide river]

I have made a new suggestion
Feedback is appreciated, as I don't think I have the strongest of reasoning

Remove the Life, Mana, and Vital Jelly items

Currently, these three accessories are small stat boosts dropped by their respectively-colored Jellyfish: Life Jelly being from Pink Jellyfish, Mana Jelly being from Blue Jellyfish, and Vital Jelly being from Green Jellyfish. Two of them give okay stat boosts for their tier, with Life and Mana Jelly giving +20 in their respective stat, with some extra regeneration for said stat while standing still. However, how often is the player going to be standing still in a situation where the 20 extra health or mana is necessary, such as a boss fight or event? Vital Jelly is somewhat excusable, as the movement boosts are decent, but it's immediately replaced after you get an Aero Stone from Desert Scourge, the first boss of the mod, not to mention the abundance of other movement accessories at this tier. With all this in mind, I feel it would be best if these Jelly accessories got removed, as I do not see any reason to keep them.

[golden sonnet]

I honestly agree, with the exception of vital jelly they are never worth using by themselves, and calamity has been trying to move away from that exact concept, mediocre filler items that only exist to merge into a usable one. Vital jelly can be stacked with aero stone which was a point a lot of people brought up when I proposed removing aero stone, but there are no shortage of other early game movement items to use instead

[wide river]

Yeah, I was having trouble finding any good reasoning for removing Vital Jelly, so maybe I'll take it out of the suggestion

[golden sonnet]

I mean, I think aero stone being a better version that's only post the first boss and an excess of other early game movement items is reasoning enough

Magiluminescence, boots, double jumps, wings, frog leg, SoC, harpy ring post skele, etc

[drowsy plank]

Vital is decent and it stacks well

the last thing we need is to kill MORE movement accessories

[wide river]

Aaaaand that's a reversion suggestion

[drowsy plank]

furthermore i like grand gelatin, and the mana regen and extra max life are both decent

[wide river]

That one I thought could be fixed, plus I didn't want to add too many things in the suggestion for fear of it being denied

[drowsy plank]

@rotund loom do you have any actual reasoning for this? regardless this is bother reversion and excessive effort for something no one cares about

[wide river]

(Also there's that leveling up mod that essentially has the same thing, just download that for a sense of powering up)

[drowsy plank]

very true

[halcyon zealot]

I use them quite frequently as filler accessories pre boss
Especially since I'm too impatient and usually can't bother to get optimal gear b4 boss

[drowsy plank]

fair

[halcyon zealot]

20 hp is huge when I have like 100 hp lol

[drowsy plank]

i think life and mana jelly could use some small buffs, since standing still already boosts life and mana regen, so frankly just turning them into unconditional boosts might be enough to make them very good

cause they're already like okay

[glass arch]

proficiency would be so cool

but god damn it sucks

[drowsy plank]

eh

[rotund loom]

it looked cool

[drowsy plank]

it really didnt

[wide river]

That has just hurt your case

[drowsy plank]

if you want to see the effects we have something called fireworks

[rotund loom]

yea it did

[drowsy plank]

because that is literally all it was

just

vanilla fireworks

[rotund loom]

nuh uh

[wide river]

I love seeing a firework effect go off every few hours! I love getting marginal stat boosts that discourage multiclassing or class swapping!
-Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged

[drowsy plank]

sooooo fucking true

[glass arch]

so true

[rotund loom]

are you making fun of me cause i’m autistic

[halcyon zealot]

Maybe %increases instead of flat increases could work?

[wide river]

I didn't even know that, so no
I do not make fun of people because of the people themself

[halcyon zealot]

Doesn't have to be much, and maybe the % could improve when making upgrade

[glass arch]

life jelly would probably have to be toned down if that was the case

[halcyon zealot]

Yee

[rotund loom]

seems like you are using that “deranged” term really loosely, just be mindful of what you call people

[glass arch]

because 20% extra hp preboss is kinda dumb

[glass arch]

you do know what its a reference to right

[glass arch]

not even cotbg has that

[drowsy plank]

just do 5% life

that's equivalent to what it already has but scales better

[glass arch]

yeah 5% is good

[drowsy plank]

maybe 10% if you wanna get wacky with it

[wide river]

5% is perfect

[tired haven]

That's what I usually do as well, yeah

[halcyon zealot]

I was thinking 10%, 5% sounds good too

[glass arch]

ehhh 10% is getting damn close to cotbg

and granted cotbg has a bunch of other effects but yeah

[tired haven]

5% instead of 20 flat just means that the accessory is strictly worse until you max out your life

[drowsy plank]

@rotund loom this isn't an excuse to post random memes, i posted that image because it has the line you were getting offended at in it, just to point out that it wasn't an insult, they were just making a reference to a commonly used image here

[halcyon zealot]

Yeah that's what I am iffy about

[halcyon zealot]

Cotbg also has life fruit hp to work with

[rotund loom]

erm excuse me mister moderator, no memes in general!!

[wide river]

And thus the problem reveals itself: Finding the right reworks to make these things worth keeping
It'd be so much easier if we just removed them entirely but I digress

[drowsy plank]

please do not argue with staff unless you want further punishments

[glass arch]

maybe making grand gelatin turns the 20 flat into 5%

[rotund loom]

i’m not arguing i was making a joke back since you posted a joke

[random talon]

The hell we talking about here?

[glass arch]

he in fact did not post a joke back for the purpose of making a joke

[wide river]

The problem there is that when it becomes part of the Absorber, and afterwards the Sponge, that percentage health boost would have to carry over or just be randomly thrown on one part of it

[halcyon zealot]

😭

[dense ferry]

Legs might be broken today

[tired haven]

So far I'm convinced they work fine for what they are supposed to be

[drowsy plank]

yeah ill be honest i was find with grand gelatin

[glass arch]

oh shit reb is ready to kill

[rotund loom]

he literally posted a meme for reference even though it is still posting a meme, these fellows have been getting stuck in the Calamitrix

[wide river]

(Grand Gelatin is fine I just want the Jellies to be dead)

[drowsy plank]

tho i didnt MIND the idea of improving them a little bc they're basically just stat sticks that become part of the absorber

lmfao

[tired haven]

Is the most damaging part of their rep literally just being shoved into absorber?

[drowsy plank]

id say so

[glass arch]

oh
would +5% max hp make absorber a lot better

[dense ferry]

Grand Gelatin is kinda weird

I think it would be better to move it to the Sunken Sea when it gets reworked tbh

[drowsy plank]

it's why i kinded like making them better because maybe grand jelly could just become good enough to be stand alone tbh

[dense ferry]

And delete the normal jellies

[wide river]

I mean, sorta? That's not the main reasoning that I wanted to remove them, but I guess it kinda is part of it

[rotund loom]

my image perms are gone this is catastrophic

[drowsy plank]

honestly not a bad idea tbh

[glass arch]

because id think making grand gelatin 5% instead of 20 flat would be a good alternative to making life jelly 5%

[halcyon zealot]

Sounds interesting

[dense ferry]

I mean, does someone use the jelly accessories in the first place? Maybe Vital for the Jump Speed but by that point just make Grand Gelatin

[drowsy plank]

vital is used a lot in preHM but yeah the others are kinda just filler

[glass arch]

i used mana jelly for a while as a filler accessory

[tired haven]

I used all three extensively in preHM, albeit mana jelly felt perhaps the weakest

[dense ferry]

Fair, fair

[drowsy plank]

it's mostly because mana is barely better than an arcane reforge

[wide river]

I have used Mana Jelly and Life Jelly a grand total of once, and that is because I simply did not have any other accessories to put in that spot

[dense ferry]

Yeah Mana is easily the worst one

[tired haven]

Yea

[glass arch]

its only got 20 max right

so exactly the same as arcane

[drowsy plank]

buffing mana and turning life's regen into just a flat +1 regen would be nice i think

[tired haven]

And calamity buffing base rate of mana regen means there is less contribution the standing still regen can provide

[drowsy plank]

yes but it also has the silly mana regen effect so it is barely better

but just barely

[rotund loom]

how hard would it be to make a mod that makes the world infinite like minecraft

[wide river]

It gives 20 max mana, as well as boosting mana regen when standing still
So it's almost exactly the same as an Arcane reforge

[dense ferry]

I find the idea of moving it to the Sunken Sea whenever it gets reworked very interesting tbh, since they are already dropped by sea creatures

[drowsy plank]

dayloug if you aren't going to be a part of the current ongoing conversation could you please just move to another channel? this isn't the place to ask about these kinds of things anyway, you'd have better luck in the tmod discord

[dense ferry]

Would give the item some thematic purpouse too, which is a problem a lot of accessories in the Mod face

Most of them just

Don't fit in

[drowsy plank]

yea fair

absorber rework when fr

[rotund loom]

dude i’m just asking a question why are you so strict about this discord channel. Not to be rude obv

[glass arch]

id be fine with killing the jellies and making grand gelatin a sunken drop

[dense ferry]

NOT A DROP

[tired haven]

Eh, I don't think limiting mod items to mod biomes is a good idea. It makes the experience too isolated

[dense ferry]

Yeah, this is fair, tbh, but it's still weird that jellyfishes of all things get a dedicated accessory

[glass arch]

a sunken related craft?

[tired haven]

Like, it'd make sense and it probably works out in this specific case, but as a rule of thumb, that's more so a "no" than "yes"

[glass arch]

they already have one from vanilla (ihateihateihateihate)

[dense ferry]

I was thinking of it being found in chests, an exploration spoil

[rotund loom]

i mean sulphur sea has that

[tired haven]

Also limiting them to sunken sea undercuts the period of progression they are most viable in (which is pre-boss)

[dense ferry]

Byeah, well

[tired haven]

So that means buffs to each accessory
And that cascades into grand gelatin requiring a nerf over the collective of 3

[drowsy plank]

gonna be weird when sunken crates have sunken chest drop tables lmao

[rotund loom]

sunken sea growth post Aquatic Scourge

[halcyon zealot]

I think overall I'm against removing them completely
Filler accs have their spot, vanilla example: shackles from zombies

[drowsy plank]

but shackles upgrade into the best item in the game!
Mana Cuffs

[dense ferry]

I was thinking of just deleting the three separate ones and making Grand Gelatin the starting point of the three tbh, I never really liked the Jelly accessories, they always stuck out like a sore thumb because their thematic really feels like just adding content to stuff that just doesn't need it

[rotund loom]

unsink the sunken sea after you beat aquatic scourge

[tired haven]

That one guy who uses spikes for 100% uptime last prism:

[tired haven]

Hmm

[wide river]

Just a note: Grand Gelatin is the exact boosts of its components with no changes or extra additions

So I really don't think we'd be losing anything if they were to theoretically get removed

[frosty trellis]

(Grand Gelatin is just kinda eh)

(It's generally kinda bad and not worth a slot)

[golden sonnet]

Grand gelatin can become a drop or have a new recipe, killing the mid materials does not mean it needs to die

(it maybe should imo, but regardless)

[wide river]

(By they I had meant the Jellies, but yes you are correct)

[golden sonnet]

yeah, was just kinda elaborating on your point, sorry if unclear

[frosty trellis]

(Not useful in even niche tank builds, Mana jelly is replaced by mana Regen pots and ofc you can get the Mana back via crystal ball, and Aero Stone is better for mobility builds)

[gaunt tiger]

#suggestions-posting message
how did this go down with ppl?

[wide river]

Someone asked if it was in the Don'ts doc (It was not)
Later someone asked if it was too high effort (I don't think it is)

[golden sonnet]

It's something the devs have stated they plan to do in the future, so probably not worth a suggestion, just another thing currently in dev hell

[gaunt tiger]

the whip dimension™️

[frosty trellis]

Oh speaking of tank builds, I need to grab a mollusk armor clip bc mollusk armor is "balanced"

(Can't now but will have to do so later)

[rotund loom]

tryna make an XXXL calamity world

[gaunt tiger]

yeah I want that too 😄

[glass arch]

yeah no mollusk is busted

i have no regrets using it

(also doesnt it just reduce accel not max speed same as elysian guard)

[rotund loom]

it would be fire to have infinite world generation on calamity bro l

[glass arch]

unfortunately

that would almost certainly break with how terraria gens and stores worlds

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure that Terraria keeps most if not all tiles loaded at all times, so something tells me an infinite world would likely bring even the strongest of computers to their knees

[rotund loom]

unless the official devs do it themeselces

[rotund loom]

nah it would have to work like minecraft if it would be infinite where only chunks would be generated

[quiet kernel]

But even then how the fuck would it work without it being goofy

Like the oceans would just be big lakes

[rotund loom]

wouldn’t be goofy if terraria’s worlds had more diversity with landscapes

[rotund loom]

nah they would be massive bro

[wide river]

At this point just make another game

[gaunt tiger]

something being a cool idea is within our purview, as fans
something being a functional idea isn't our problem

[quiet kernel]

Yea

[rotund loom]

i’m just saying it would be cool to have not that it makes sense in terms of code

[tired haven]

That'd be correct
At about 5-10x the size most PCs would not be able to load the worlds anymore

[gaunt tiger]

many such cases

[halcyon zealot]

It would indeed be cool if terraria was like noita

[rotund loom]

I just want a big ass calamity world that is around 2-3x the size of XL

i’m pretty sure most pcs could handle it terraria isn’t that performance heavy

[glass arch]

[gaunt tiger]

oh did I read somewhere that drunk princess is gonna get removed or did I imagine that

[glass arch]

fandom'd

[gaunt tiger]

tch

her dialogue is gross

[rotund loom]

they gotta add back that one weapon called cold icicle or something that did percent damage

[glass arch]

no

[quiet kernel]

Me when she talks about permachads icicle

[wide river]

Do not

[glass arch]

coldheart is dead for a good reason

[gaunt tiger]

it's mostly her creeping on the stylist

[rotund loom]

nah it’s funny

[glass arch]

arent they in a relationship

[wide river]

"It's funny" is not good reasoning for like
Anything

[quiet kernel]

Yea something like that

[rotund loom]

people who care about NPC relationships are oddballs

[gaunt tiger]

it's a self insert character

[glass arch]

im not talking to you

[golden sonnet]

It might not be good reasoning, but it's funny

[rotund loom]

nah it’s funny

[glass arch]

no, like im pretty sure cirrus and stylist have an active relationship
not fab and stylist, cirrus and stylist

[rotund loom]

yeah Amidias and the Demolitionists are married trust

[gaunt tiger]

"I like in when <stylist>'s hands get sticky from all that... wax"
this is REAL dialogue written by a REAL person

[quiet kernel]

The real lore fr

[golden sonnet]

Ok, go fight mourning wood with sparkle slime baloons

[glass arch]

they have played us for absolute fools

[rotund loom]

i passed out 4 times but your wax is done :3

[wide river]

It's not like Terraria is pure either

[glass arch]

yeah vanilla is far from pure

mourning wood, sparkle slime balloons, master bait

[quiet kernel]

Me when I try to kill mourning wood with golden shower after fishing with the master bait

[glass arch]

just to name a few

[quiet kernel]

Oh you were faster

[rotund loom]

mourning wood is just a sad tree

[golden sonnet]

[rotund loom]

i remember when i was little i got yelled at by my mom for saying that because me and my brother were fighting it on our ipads

[gaunt tiger]

any mods online? I need some help wording a suggesting so I don't get ratio-d to hell and back

[glass arch]

i might be able to help

[random pasture]

The dryad basically gave the tax collector an STD.

[undone cedar]

hi

[glass arch]

wasnt it the arms dealer

[random pasture]

No

[gaunt tiger]

I want to make a suggestion to remove or replace some of drunk princess' lines
my reasoning being that drunk princess is a self insert of a real person, so any off-color comments they make are a lot less innocent and a lot more creepy/gross-feeling

but I am struggling to think of how to word that such that people won't just say "oh but mourning wood" and my reasoning is suddenly invalid

[hybrid steeple]

youve already worded it fine to get your idea across

[gaunt tiger]

you think so?

[crude geode]

Yeah I would agree tbfh

[glass arch]

the main thing we've brought up is how the quotes, taken out of context of cirrus being a self insert, are not alone in their oddity

[crude geode]

Bringing up the fact it’s basically a self insert of a real person is what differentiates it from other quotes in base terraria

[undone cedar]

the suggestion doesn’t break any rules i think

Although given that its dedicated content i think it depends on what Fabsol would want from it

[gaunt tiger]

I agree that without context, a few of the quotes could be seen as just being amusing
but in such a high volume, and with the real life considerations, I believe they cross a line

[glass arch]

yeah wed have to ask fab about it

[gaunt tiger]

yeah that's why it's creepy
it's because fabsol wrote that shit

(or at the very least okayed it)

[orchid briar]

Tbf it would probably be creepier if anyone but Fab wrote it

[crude geode]

I think it’s comparable to if Redigit was his own NPC in game and just talked about wanting to fuck the zoologist (in barely vague innuendos) for 40% of his dialogue

[undone cedar]

Fabsol is aware it exists

[gaunt tiger]

yeah ik he is

[undone cedar]

I think theres very little point to the suggestion ultimately because of the nature of the content

I can’t say i like the drunk princess but there are limits to what suggestions can do

[gaunt tiger]

nothing gonna change if everyone stays quiet about it

[undone cedar]

except people do talk about it

[crude geode]

Mhm

I mostly criticize it for being immersion breaking and overall kinda. Outdated.

[glass arch]

as much as i dont care about dp i DO really like alcohols

[drowsy plank]

mechanic talking about her pressure plate being for stepping on

[gaunt tiger]

the alcohol lines are mostly funny

they're the sort of raunchy humour that is appropriate

but the rest aren't

[drowsy plank]

blood moons being when every female npc gets their periods

[crude geode]

Context.

@drowsy plank ^^^^^^^

[gaunt tiger]

you know that women do have periods right
that's not an inappropriate thing to mention

[drowsy plank]

like i really dont think cirrus's are really that out of place, she just happens to be THE raunchy character so she has a high concentration of them

[gaunt tiger]

^^^^^^^ @drowsy plank

[drowsy plank]

also i mean like
what about steampunker and guide??

[undone cedar]

Part of the reason i dislike drunk princess is because i dislike terraria npcs in general, and i think there could be more interesting ways to get alcohol

[crude geode]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

that's fair

[undone cedar]

thats actually the primary reason i dislike the npc tbh

[gaunt tiger]

neither of those is a self insert of a real person. please read the rest of the convo

[undone cedar]

also like blood moon dialogue is super weird and the entire premise of the joke is uncomfortable and out of touch

[golden sonnet]

They are? That's why they mentioned them

[gaunt tiger]

good take, but sadly removing content isn't allowed

[crude geode]

It kinda is tho

[gaunt tiger]

wait the steampunker is a self insert?

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

[golden sonnet]

Yes, of cenxx

[drowsy plank]

steampunker is cenxx and guide is andrew

[gaunt tiger]

but they married tho

so it was consent had by all

etc etc

anyway this was why I asked for help writing the suggestion

clearly

[crude geode]

Mhm

[orchid briar]

This would have happened no matter what

[drowsy plank]

this just isn't going to go anywhere if im being honest

[gaunt tiger]

then maybe it's important that people see that fabsol is unwilling to budge on something that is clearly inappropriate
maybe that's just as important

[drowsy plank]

it isn't going to get traction in voting even if you do write it perfectly, and i really cannot find solid evidence that drunk princess, who is explicitly designed to be raunchy, but still with terraria's own defined borders

shouldn't be able to say these things

[hybrid steeple]

hilarious argument since we're talking about drunk princess and an entirely fictional character here

[gaunt tiger]

yeah I know, I saw that I got backed into a corner there
I'm not the queen of debating, bleh. that's why I need some help with this

[hybrid steeple]

yeah
i kinda agree but
theres a lot of reasons why its not out of place in the game so

[golden sonnet]

I think it's entirely fair to feel uncomfortable about the drunk princess' lines, I just don't think it's something that's very out of place or needs to be addressed as a whole. It's similar to the "make the elementals less waifu" suggestion, like yes they are a little sexual but they aren't really that out of place and I don't really feel like it's a thing the majority of people have any issues with

Just my thoughts though, I don't see anything about the suggestion that would break the rules

[orchid briar]

I also think that a main point against it is just how optional the Drunk Princess is

[drowsy plank]

all the elementals have been/are going to be toned down to the same level as current vanilla sand elemental too

[orchid briar]

Lots of people have certainly had playthrough not knowing she was an NPC

[hybrid steeple]

all the elementals besides brimmy are fine

the problem is they werent fine before and the community is incapable of being normal about women

but thats an unfixable problem so

[wide river]

And Brimmy's getting respited (someday)

[golden sonnet]

Actually a real problem

[gaunt tiger]

this
this is why I asked for help

[drowsy plank]

cal when she ended up being characterized as acearo because the community can't stop being weird about her

well you aren't going to fix that by removing cirrus's raunchy lines tbqh

[golden sonnet]

Ruined my personal wholesome headcannon for her, but it's a necessary sacrifice

[crude geode]

Cirrus talking about wanting to get into the stylist’s pants isn’t really. helping.

[drowsy plank]

we just went over this

[crude geode]

It wouldn’t solve the problem, nothing will

[drowsy plank]

unless you want cal to iledit the vanilla lines that are just as bad out like

[hybrid steeple]

good thing either way
more representation is always a plus

[drowsy plank]

who cares

very true

[wide river]

Shoutouts to that person that joked about making a Calamity addon that removed anything that was inappropriate for children

[hybrid steeple]

diversity win! the Traitor Almighty, Xeroc, who consumed the soul of Zeratros when the Dragons were at their weakest and ascended to nigh-omnipotent godhood, is nonbinary

[drowsy plank]

cirrus is such an utterly inconsequential NPC, even if you scraped away every inch of raunchiness out of terraria people are going to be weird about women no matter what like im sorry but you cannot "fix" this, and getting all twisted in knots about her having lines like this is more annoying than helpful

if you want to help address this issue (which is only an issue when it's in this server) just ping the mods when someone says weird shit

simple as

[crude geode]

Truely

[wide river]

Yea
Like the Nurse is completely tame, yet people are still really weird about her
It's just an unsolvable problem with the Terraria community

[gaunt tiger]

you are being deliberately reductive of what I'm saying here

[golden sonnet]

even that unfortunately won't change people and often makes them feel vindicated, but at least it's no longer in the public space making other people uncomfortable

[gaunt tiger]

it is indisputable that cirrus' dialogue is actively contributing to the problem

[drowsy plank]

it is very disputable

im saying right here that it very much isnt

[golden sonnet]

I think very few people even read NPC dialogue

[drowsy plank]

do you know how many people dont even read the npc dialogue??

[dense ferry]

I don't like Cirrus dialogue, but yeah, like

It's not exploding the world

[drowsy plank]

if cirrus's dialogue was actually the problem the christ we can finally fix cal's lack of help for new players because people will simply read NPC dialogue

[gaunt tiger]

ok so if it said the N-word somewhere in npc dialogue it'd be okay because people don't read it?

[hybrid steeple]

very equivalent things

[dense ferry]

That's an entirely disproportionate comparison

[drowsy plank]

you are over looking the fact that this dialogue is incomprehensibly more tame than the kind of shit people say about completely unrelated characters

[gaunt tiger]

oh so it's okay because the community is worse

right

gotcha

[dense ferry]

We didn't say that, but ok

[gaunt tiger]

he literally is saying that it's okay

[drowsy plank]

i can find someone awful about women in every community, it's not about the creators of the media to control what they do

[dense ferry]

We mean that the dialogue isn't hurting the community in any way 👍

[gaunt tiger]

it is in the power of the creators of the media to moderate the content of the media they create

[dense ferry]

Because it doesn't incentivize being horny

And if anything

[gaunt tiger]

it is their responsibility, even

[drowsy plank]

misogynists are going to exist in every space whether that content has raunchiness in it or not

no

[dense ferry]

Cirrus is the least simped character in the entirety of Calamity

[drowsy plank]

WHICH IS SO FUNNY

[hybrid steeple]

oh dear god

[gaunt tiger]

you're all missing the point so much

[dense ferry]

Like, I have genuinely never seen anyone simping over her

[gaunt tiger]

@zenith hazel can we get a mod in here please

(a real mod)

[hybrid steeple]

💀

[dense ferry]

You are acting as if we two aren't Moderators

[drowsy plank]

jesus christ

the trial mod period is almost over dont be condescending like this

[hybrid steeple]

moderators! moderators! these peasants disagree with my suggestion! detain them now!

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[wide river]

This isn't going anywhere
How did talking about NPC dialogue get to this bad of an argument

[drowsy plank]

no idea tbh

[dense ferry]

Idk

[glass arch]

FOR FUCKS SAKE it doesnt matter what the community's reaction to the character is, what matters is its a fucking weird comment in a game usually seen as a kids game

[gaunt tiger]

wow I wonder why I asked for help about how to word it

[dense ferry]

I just got here

[gaunt tiger]

THANK YOU

fucking hell

[dense ferry]

I mean, at this point anything is a kids game, and again, I said that I dislike Cirrus' quotes

I don't like it, but it's not doing any harm from what I see

[glass arch]

no, vanilla is not perfect
that does not mean that this should exist

[dense ferry]

If you think it is, however, yeah

[gaunt tiger]

this conversation was entirely productive and civil until cog came in here to start bad-faith discussion

[dense ferry]

Suggest it

[gaunt tiger]

which he does a lot

[drowsy plank]

terraria is rated teen anyway

im not making a bad faith discussion

[dense ferry]

When horror games are marketed towards children, anything can be a children's game

[drowsy plank]

im pointing out this is literally just as bad as vanilla content

lmfao

which is to say

it isn't

[dense ferry]

I must disagree with you there

Cirrus' lines are really weird

And there isn't anything in Vanilla even near that level

[hybrid steeple]

they are

[gaunt tiger]

we had a whole discussion already

let me find it

sec

[dense ferry]

The most I can think of is the Dryad saying that the Arms Dealer should stop flirting with her because she is 500 years old

[glass arch]

yknow what
why not just make the weird lines only show up with blood and gore turned on

[hybrid steeple]

well.

[gaunt tiger]

#suggestions-discussion message
this onwards

[glass arch]

its not a perfect fix but its definitely something

[hybrid steeple]

the one about the stylist is a direct response to one of stylist's lines

My hands are sticky from all that... wax.

[drowsy plank]

i could work with that

[dense ferry]

I did not know about that line.

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[hybrid steeple]

that would work

[gaunt tiger]

just remove them

literally just fucking remove them

[dense ferry]

Asking a bit too much, tbh

[gaunt tiger]

for all the reasons already given

[dense ferry]

Honestly just tone down the suggestiveness and make so not half of her dialogue is that

[drowsy plank]

fucking hilarious

tfw one of the biggest lines used as evidence is just a reference to vanilla npc dialogue

[dense ferry]

Brb

[gaunt tiger]

"Sometimes I catch [Name of Drunk Princess] sneaking up from behind me."

this really is dialogue that calamity adds to stylist

some of the dialogue ever

[glass arch]

without taking into consideration the other lines its fine

[gaunt tiger]

...but it's a package deal

[glass arch]

yes

[gaunt tiger]

which is kinda the point

the biggest problem is that it all piles up

it's not "one little bit of dialogue"

it's like half of her dialogue

[drowsy plank]

if you want to suggest for it to be disabled with blood and gore toggle i think that'd be a perfectly suitable compromise

[gaunt tiger]

it doesn't belong in the mod

period

[drowsy plank]

velvet can you just try to actually make a compromise

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
This would leave the Candles, Odd Mushroom, Unicorn Horn, and Milkshake in her shop
(Ignoring the potion shops because why do they exist)

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt be any worse than pirate

[crude geode]

^

[gaunt tiger]

sometimes compromises aren't appropriate, though
I like the blood and gore setting because it gives bosses and mobs corpses

[glass arch]

and yes vanilla does this already with the nurse

so its perfectly feasible

[gaunt tiger]

make it a toggle in cal settings that is defaulted to off
that's a compromise I'd take

[wide river]

(Maybe she could sell Pixie Dust under the same conditions as Unicorn Horns in the event that you get a sucky Hallow spawn, but I digress)

[drowsy plank]

why would it be defaulted to off if blood and gore isnt in vanilla

[hybrid steeple]

also looking through it
at least on cirrus' side its like 5 lines
most of which arent that bad

[drowsy plank]

and jacob just pointed out there's a precedent for this anyway

[hybrid steeple]

this one can go though

[golden sonnet]

yeah, we don't need any more configs

[gaunt tiger]

because blood and gore
is a setting that adds npc corpses
and you are suggesting that it also toggle on inappropriate lines

[drowsy plank]

it

already does

jacob just explained this

[quiet kernel]

:nuclearopinion: must die am I right

[crude geode]

Truly

[wide river]

#suggestions-discussion message

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it really isn't that different from Truffle talking about people breaking into his room and eating him alive while he sleeps

[glass arch]

vanilla already does this with the nurse line "I don't give happy endings."

[crude geode]

Damn we need a double reply feature.

[gaunt tiger]

if that's the price of it happening at all then it's better than nothing

[drowsy plank]

actually what if this is another one of those "already solved" problems

[crude geode]

[glass arch]

also the vanilla wiki literally states that turning off the blood and gore setting can make the game more friendly to younger audiences

[drowsy plank]

someone should go check if cal does this with blood and gore settings already

bc i would not be suprised if it does

[crude geode]

I wouldn’t either

[gaunt tiger]

hidden mechanic 😛

[wide river]

Maybe if Discord decided to actually add better features rather than remove all good ones we'd have it by now

[crude geode]

So true

[gaunt tiger]

(that's a joke please don't start that again)

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[hybrid steeple]

ok yeah looking through all the dialogue

the one i replied to and the permafrost one are the only ones i'd see being removed

[gaunt tiger]

nah I just checked, cirrus still has the dialogue with b&g off

[hybrid steeple]

the rest are perfectly fine

[crude geode]

I feel like that’s something we can all agree on somewhat Byeah irrelevant and going to start 5 paragraph essays

[glass arch]

tbf what isnt

[drowsy plank]

terraria when wiki game

[quiet kernel]

Permachad one is one that I could see removed yea

[glass arch]

so true

the paragraphs are beginning

[wide river]

Terraria when at least 60% of its features require the wiki to understand
(Golf score and luck come to mind)

[gaunt tiger]

cool so time to format

Make all of Cirrus' raunchy/inappropriate dialogue not appear when blood and gore is set to off

[glass arch]

should be a good opener

[drowsy plank]

honestly this is starting to seem more like an oversight than a sugg but i would probably just change it to all dialogue like this

[cosmic karma]

fishing power

[drowsy plank]

because we already explained some other NPCs have it

[zenith hazel]

the hell happened here

[hybrid steeple]

the Horrors

[quiet kernel]

Cirrus talking

[gaunt tiger]

howdy brav

[drowsy plank]

and if you want to push to get stylist and perma removed in that one that'd prolly be fine

[zenith hazel]

I scrolled back like just a bit and suddenly there's misogyny

[gaunt tiger]

sry for the ping yeah it's a whole thing

[drowsy plank]

cirrus dialogue 🤯

[gaunt tiger]

something about precedent, I'll google that
then the argument about it being gross, that's easy enough
mention the lines in question
conclusion

wyt

[glass arch]

who knew npc dialogue would be so divisive

[crude geode]

me because I hate npc dialogue

I will fight all lines of npc dialogue

[golden sonnet]

As someone who disagreed with a lot said here, I don't think there is anything reasonable that can be a said against this, this is just a good suggestion

[drowsy plank]

dw in 2032 when calamity overhauls the NPC dialogue system none of these lines will exist anymore

[crude geode]

So true

[zenith hazel]

I will agree on the point that some of the dialogue is pretty weirdege

[golden sonnet]

It has precedence and makes sense, and should not be hard to implement, just my opinion though

[glass arch]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Settings#Video there should be proof of precedence in the blood and gore section of this page

[wide river]

In 2032 NPCs will no longer exist, as it draws ever closer to the 2040

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[quiet kernel]

Draedon dating sim/talking time is more important tbh (unless thats a part of it)

[drowsy plank]

man you know what would be incredibly funny
if this dialogue was already removed when they had to do the lore rewrite and localization

[quiet kernel]

(Atleast imo but thats just me)

[crude geode]

Draedon does not exist they are a figment of your imagination

[gaunt tiger]

ty

[drowsy plank]

also yeah draetalk is coming sooner but i heard discussions of just revamping most NPC systems

[hybrid steeple]

wait really

[quiet kernel]

Cool

[drowsy plank]

mostly calamitas and amidias i believe

[hybrid steeple]

i remember hearing something about it but i didnt think it was an actual maybe-plan

[wide river]

No ™️ on sooner
Curious

[quiet kernel]

People when the ™️ is missing

[crude geode]

The trademark for soon ran out

[quiet kernel]

(Its too shocking)

[wide river]

Someone needs to reapply for that

[drowsy plank]

it is a real actual maybe-plan! coming with yharim, xeroc, noxus, and the biome reworks in 20Eventually™️

does that suffice

[crude geode]

Cogni reapplied Pog

[quiet kernel]

™️ is back

[hollow shell]

This sugg would make Cirrus almost completely useless and give her no reason to exist

So, it's a good suggestion!

[drowsy plank]

LMFAO

[golden sonnet]

LMAO

[drowsy plank]

[glass arch]

LMAOOOOO

[dense ferry]

[crude geode]

Based Rover

[hybrid steeple]

if we remove cirrus then therell be no need for extra stuff on the blood and gore toggle

two suggestions with one solution

[dense ferry]

If we remove the entire Mod then all suggestions are solved

I think I might have saturated the "remove everything" joke

[hybrid steeple]

suggestion: Re-add the mod

[glass arch]

enderpikmen mindset

[wide river]

Counter-argument: Reversion

[hybrid steeple]

[glass arch]

counter counter argument: sunken cost fallacy

[dense ferry]

Counter argument: Remove Suggestion Posting

[crude geode]

I still need to resubmit the remove living shards sugg

[dense ferry]

And leave only discussion and voting

[hollow shell]

Removing the mod is reverting it to its pre-2016 state

[glass arch]

YES DO IT

[zenith hazel]

finally

[wide river]

Get the chat back on topic please

[hybrid steeple]

the nightmare is finally over

[zenith hazel]

we've achieved zen

[crude geode]

Getting this chat back on topic is a Sisyphean topic

[dense ferry]

Zen Potion????

[crude geode]

Task

[wide river]

So true

[hybrid steeple]

[crude geode]

My brain is flawless

[golden sonnet]

Your brain is a rogue weapon?

That's crazy

[dense ferry]

Just like the best modifier for Rogue Weapons in the Calamity Mod!

[undone cedar]

I will throw their brain

[dense ferry]

Anyways now I am forced to commit self murder

[crude geode]

I am rogue

[wide river]

Flawless Brain
22 Rogue Damage

[dense ferry]

It's over........

[undone cedar]

Snail react

[hybrid steeple]

stealth strikes produce waves of typo projectiles

[wide river]

Consumable

[crude geode]

Anyways yeah removing living shards got a shocking number of votes it was just. also accompanied by other high tier stuff

[glass arch]

i should resubmit the perf hm drop sugg

[wide river]

There's a few decently good ones in this batch too, but a lot of them are kinda
Suggestions

[wide river]

Is the great resubmitting occuring

[hollow ridge]

I swear there was a sugg like this

[wide river]

If you're referring to the Perforators/Hive Mind one, then that's because there was

[drowsy plank]

sunken...,.,. like sunken sea from clamtitty mod!!1!1??! 🤯💥

[hybrid steeple]

it started with the epiphany sugg last week

[drowsy plank]

yeah this already went to voting once but nothing wronf with resubmits

[quiet kernel]

clams are a reference to calamity mods giant clam

🔥✍️

[hybrid steeple]

cant believe calamity got so popular they added genocide to real life

[quiet kernel]

life devs taking ideas from calamity smh

Idea stealing

[drowsy plank]

cmon everyone knows genocide is actually an undertale reference

ok but fr this might be a little far lol

[stone bloom]

Why CAN you craft those weapons lmao

[undone cedar]

That is too far i do believe

[golden sonnet]

Mods, get em

hmmmm

[gaunt tiger]

what exact phrasing should I use for the reasoning as to the toggle needing to exist?

I'm torn between the implied jab at fabsol or being more neutral

[drowsy plank]

do not jab at fabsol

[golden sonnet]

just say that terraria despite being rated for teen still has toggles for less mature audiences, and these quotes may be uncomfortable to some or inappropriate for the players and would fit well within these existng toggles

[drowsy plank]

that's a great way to get it rejected lmfao

[glass arch]

neutral is better

[drowsy plank]

imagine if every suggestion had a passive aggressive slant lmfao

nothing would ever go through

[gaunt tiger]

cheers raesh

the original phrasing was using the reasoning of self-insert making it creepy

this is much better

[drowsy plank]

make sure to mention the other NPCs too

[golden sonnet]

Just a general idea, feel free to reword it a bit

[drowsy plank]

Cirrus isn't the only one with this kind of dialogue

and presumably if cirrus doesn't have the right flags i doubt the others do

[gaunt tiger]

the only other one I've found that crosses the line is stylist? given the precedent set by vanilla

idk

[drowsy plank]

maybe the dryad glowing mushroom ones and the painter permafrost one considering what's considered worth hitting by vanilla

also TIL painter has abyss dialogue and it's hilarious

[glass arch]

do tell

[drowsy plank]

"Easiest landscape I've ever painted in my life."

you know
bc
layer 4

[glass arch]

LMAO

[golden sonnet]

Please can we kill them....

please.

[wide river]

The great resuggestening has begun

[tired haven]

time to change like 2 letters in carnage ray to keep it as my self-insert to spite everyone

[glass arch]

"fabsol we need to kill" -ozzatron probably

[drowsy plank]

i heard flesh might get retiered

[wide river]

Simply make Carnage Ray a dev weapon

[gaunt tiger]

oh the dryad one is a joke about drugs

[frosty trellis]

Crabbage Ray

[glass arch]

crabbage ray based

[halcyon zealot]

resugg 😭

[tired haven]

crabbage ray

[golden sonnet]

I won't need to resugg once it passes

[glass arch]

same

[wide river]

There's no rule against constantly resuggesting a suggestion

(Or maybe there is)

[frosty trellis]

There isn't so long as you wait a few weeks

At least

[wide river]

Make it so everyone suggests the same suggestion
Boom, it's guaranteed to get to the devs at some point (do not)

[drowsy plank]

i believe there's mentions that if it fails like 3-5 times in succession (and also it can't actively be in voting), it's suggested to stop posting it

bc after that it gets to "Frequently Suggested" levels

[halcyon zealot]

the world if the sugg passes

[glass arch]

providence outline sugg

[wide river]

The fact that that is not on the frequently suggested section is astounding

[random pasture]

Devs pls

[glass arch]

its because it almost always passes

[gaunt tiger]

"That child, <Name of Princess> the Princess. She is an innocent soul. Let us hope the horrors of war never reach her."

SUS

[random pasture]

Sus?

[wide river]

What quote is this, and where is it from

[gaunt tiger]

that isn't going in the suggestion it's just weird that sea king thinks cirrus is a child

[drowsy plank]

no

princess

not

drunk princess

[random pasture]

Because the princess is a child

[cosmic karma]

princess the 1.4 npc

[random pasture]

As in the vanilla one

[gaunt tiger]

oh hey good catch

welp

it wasn't in teh sugg anyway

[frosty trellis]

Yeah the vanilla princess npc is 12

[gaunt tiger]

that makes a lot of sense

[frosty trellis]

That's been confirmed

[drowsy plank]

yeah cirrus has dialogue for interacting with her so it'd be weird if she had dialogue for interacting with herself

[gaunt tiger]

that makes sense

Make all of Calamity's raunchy/inappropriate NPC quotes not appear when blood and gore is set to off

We all know that vanilla Terraria has some NPC quotes that are innuendos, but some quotes added by Calamity are a bit much. Vanilla Terraria, despite being rated Teen, still has toggles for less mature audiences that can disable NPC quotes that may be uncomfortable to some or inappropriate for others- for example the Nurse quote "I don't give happy endings" does not appear when blood and gore is toggled off. (https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Settings#Video)

The following are the NPC quotes that I believe should not appear while blood and gore is set to off:
(Stylist) "Sometimes I catch [Name of Drunk Princess] sneaking up from behind me."
(Cirrus) "I love it when [Name of Stylist]'s hands get sticky from all that... wax."
"I never realized how well-endowed [Name of Archmage] was. It had to be the largest icicle I'd ever seen."
"[Name of Stylist] works wonders for my hair... among other things, hehe."
(Calamitas) "I wonder if [name of Drunk Princess] ever feels cold given how revealing her dress is. Perhaps she should cover up a bit more."

In conclusion, I think it should be clear to see that this being implemented is not only important, but also harmless to those who wish to see the quotes anyway.

aight did I miss anything

I think cut "all of" from the title maybe

[drowsy plank]

yeah cut that and otherwise looks good

[wide river]

Strangely enough, normal Princess has a dialogue for interacting with herself
(Not trying to justify that, it's just because I remember seeing it)

[drowsy plank]

would be surprised if they dont just implement it regardless because this really does seem like an oversight tbh

[drowsy plank]

amazing

[golden sonnet]

(you can put < > around the link so it doesn't embed) looks good

[gaunt tiger]

thanks all

time to take some painkillers and go to bed

[grim tusk]

@peak mulch #1042197406776827914

[hollow shell]

Is that the right place for suggs like these?

[grim tusk]

ye

[errant wren]

"scal too easy for me, make harder for everyone" is what i gathered from that

[grim tusk]

I also gathered that from the reasoning, i was gonna ask for what's their loadout, did they use adrenaline or other stuff, what mods do they have, etc

Scal is supposed to take 5 minutes without rippers and pre-Exos

with rippers I assume its closer to 3 minutes

[peak mulch]

I didnt mean its too easy, just that fight is too short

My thoughts

[glass arch]

5 minutes is definitely not too short

[grim tusk]

what where you using to make the fight short?

cuz with glass cannon and rippers it takes like 3 minutes

[hollow shell]

(sugg said 3 minutes)

[grim tusk]

which corresponds with glass cannon time

[glass arch]

3 minutes is better but still on the longer side

[grim tusk]

time on the boss depends on gear loadout, mods and skill

its not the same to go with tank than glass cannon

or to use Wingslot to have an extra accessory

or to have hundreds of hours or being your first pt

if you want Scal to be tankier for some reason there's always the boss hp% slider config

[peak mulch]

Void vortex deals around 40k damage

With proper gear

[grim tusk]

define proper gear

cuz if its a glass cannon loadout well ofc its gonna do fat dmg

and if its not glass cannon its the weapon being too strong

[north oracle]

It’s apparently a 4:31 in testing gear

So good, but certainly not op

[peak mulch]

I saw it dealing 40k with auric tesla armor

[wide river]

Please send your loadout so we can determine whether or not you're using "proper gear"

[peak mulch]

And some accesories idk if its warding or menacing

I can send u a video of the fight

Its on yt

[grim tusk]

yea its a bit overtuned

[peak mulch]

Not by me but i would use pretty much same gear

[grim tusk]

go ahead

[peak mulch]

https://youtu.be/a70891jh1qQ

10 months ago idk if it would go the same rn

[north oracle]

10 months, not done by you, and not actually your loadout

[grim tusk]

and using alcohols ofc

[north oracle]

Ah

[grim tusk]

gear is glass cannon

[north oracle]

Yeah that’s definitely not testing gear

[grim tusk]

no wonder she was getting shredded

[north oracle]

Turns out if you minmax for dps, you get dps

[glass arch]

cant wait to get to scal in we fucking ball so i get to do that same thing

[wide river]

Was this the entire basis of the suggestion? Because if so, then it's just invalidated even further

[grim tusk]

its also from when the old op potions existed

[north oracle]

At least it’s been deleted

[grim tusk]

so yep the sugg is completely invalid

[grim tusk]

:tru:

[north oracle]

The weapon is slightly overtuned but not op

[peak mulch]

Guys i dont want to argue or anything, it was my personal thoughts, if im wrongbi dont wanna go deeper into that

[grim tusk]

yea sorry if we were a bit rough

[peak mulch]

No its alr

My arguments were outdated

[north oracle]

It’s alg, a lot of invalid suggs get posted lol

[peak mulch]

I just think players would feel more satisfaction if fight took longer

But alr we ending the topic

Also its ny point of view

Bye guys, sorry for ur time

And thanks for helping/making calamity

I spended around 200 hours in it

[drowsy plank]

the fight does take longer

we balance around midtier players not top tier

[north oracle]

And the game isn’t balanced around minmaxing

[peak mulch]

Yea i know after looking at this

Understand moods are for balancing

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
Well this sounds like it'd be fun for mod compatibility

[north oracle]

Ong

[grim tusk]

@kindred creek we cannot remove vanilla stuff

[kindred creek]

But you guys literally redid the entire mech boss progression and made demon alters not spawn ores, but can’t remove biomes keys?

[grim tusk]

One thing is changing mechanics

Other thing is removing items

[frosty trellis]

^

[kindred creek]

Can’t you just make them not drop?

[frosty trellis]

With the hardmode rework
Nothing was removed

[kindred creek]

To effectively remove them?

[grim tusk]

Removing vanilla items causes the game to shit itself

[frosty trellis]

And this feels really unnecessary when there is 100% consistent ways to get them without dumb RNG

That cal.adds

[grim tusk]

Put that on the sugg instead of “remove biome keys”

Also yes expand on your reasoning

[frosty trellis]

Evil2 gives key
WoF gives other evil key
Gss gives desert
Qs hallowed
Plant jungle

[wide river]

If people want to farm for them the normal way, then I say we let them
No need to force people to have to fight bosses to get certain items that they could get normally

[grim tusk]

Currently it feels alright but could be expanded upon slightly

[kindred creek]

Changed it.

[glass arch]

doesnt wof give both keys

[kindred creek]

Can y’all unflag it?

[swift wharf]

astral cheat is not the rule

it's the exception

why would you change all keys because of one chest

and it's that way because they couldn't make it work normally iirc

[kindred creek]

They couldn’t make a chest with a key?

[glass arch]

im guessing they couldnt make one with a key that only works post plantera

[swift wharf]

if I remember correctly yes but don't quote me on it

yes

[glass arch]

a chest with a normal key is fine, they've done that before

[drowsy plank]

i would prefer to GIVE astral a key

tbqh

[swift wharf]

it used to be unlocked when killing plantera too I think

yeah because it's

the obvious answer

changing one thing because of a lot of things > the opposite

[drowsy plank]

also astral chest is lame as fuck

[night jolt]

Actually I think the solution is a lot simpler

[drowsy plank]

hm yes let me go cash in these boss bag drops that are just put in the dungeon for next to no reason

[swift wharf]

remove aureus

[night jolt]

Add an Astral Key that can only be dropped by Aureus

[drowsy plank]

no

that's fuckin lame just give astral a key the only reason we didnt is bc of mod limitations

[north oracle]

So true

[swift wharf]

rework biome weapons actually

putting them all in the dungeon is boring

[fervent orbit]

i dont want shrines 2.0

[swift wharf]

TOO BAD

[bright crag]

Hot take
I wish Cal didn't make bossss drop the keys, but instead just boosted the drop rate

Kinda meh to get keys so easily

[tired haven]

Underground tundra tier of hot take imo

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i really dont care

either way it'd be easier

[frosty trellis]

Counterpoint: I don't want to zerg in a biome and get 800 of fucking key and clog shit up

[drowsy plank]

and hey i mean at least they have a reason to get lots of keys in 1.4.4 with shimmering into dungeon chests

[wide river]

As much as I agree with you, increasing drop rates is a volatile solution sometimes
The ten or so RoDs from a multiplayer session come to mind

[tired haven]

zergers sign up for a quadrillion drops anyway, legitimately couldn't care less about them

[drowsy plank]

fr tho just

sell them

keys stack to 9999 anyway right

[north oracle]

Free cash

[tired haven]

I don't think they have a sell value

[frosty trellis]

(Its almost like I only use them for a minute to get the thing I want, not to clog my inventory up with a billion of a rare dorp lo)

[frosty trellis]

They don't iirc

[bright crag]

True, though I still stand by that

[drowsy plank]

1.4.4 biome chests in shimmer tho!!

i WANT to be able to get a shit ton of keys lmao

[frosty trellis]

Suffering tho!!!!

[drowsy plank]

it's literally one slot ur fine

[tired haven]

[wide river]

I could actually see that being a reason to get rid of the boss key drops, once 1.4.4 rolls around

[frosty trellis]

I was talking about you suffering trying to grind them

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[wide river]

Clearly we should just give the keys a crafting recipe
This surely hasn't been done before in the past

[swift wharf]

ok so what if we had key molds

[drowsy plank]

[frosty trellis]

KEY MOLDS GOD I REMEMBER THOSE

[errant bobcat]

Fuck no please

I don’t want to refight plant every time I want a biome weapon

A recipe change to make the biome weapon crafts only require 1-5 ectoplasm would be nice tho, instead of the 20 it is rn on top of ectoplasm already being a very important material in crafts

[wide river]

I don't think Calamity has a recipe for the biome weapons

I don't see one on the vanilla item recipes page, anyway

[errant bobcat]

Wait shit I might be thinking of Fargos

Sorry

I normally play them together

[wide river]

I definitely know Fargo's has one

[errant bobcat]

K, yea that’s what I was thinking of then

It’s helpful in multiplayer or wanting multiple for crafts or smthing

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

I like how Cirrus is like half of these lines

this stupid NPC is mostly horny

just disable the entire NPC if blood and gore is turned off

[ripe owl]

So true 😔

[gaunt tiger]

if that suggestion would fly, I'd suggest it

but it won't

[atomic shell]

turning off blood and gore hits cirrus with a nuclear bomb

🤯

[ripe owl]

Legalize nuclear bombs

[buoyant idol]

Swag messiah

[drowsy plank]

eh

ive still never had much problem with blood moons but yeah it is annoying when you want to do

literally anything else

cosmolight exists tho

maybe if the boost only came in hardmode when they're skippable?

idk

[ashen warren]

they should make it so when you enable calamity mod it doesn't crash t mod loader and they should make the mod music compatible with 1.4.4 tmodloader

[ripe owl]

[drowsy plank]

this sounds like a you problem and you should go to #1052323733961977947

also what do you think the 1.4.4 port is...???

[fervent orbit]

tml 1.4.4 are only for devs devving in 1.4.4

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[ashen warren]

Idk I can only play in 1.4.4 or 1.3.5

[fervent orbit]

the none beta

[north oracle]

When calamity is on 1.4.4, the music will be too

[fervent orbit]

u click the none beta

[north oracle]

Turn off all betas

[fervent orbit]

betas are betas

when u dont want a beta

[ashen warren]

ohhh thank you

[fervent orbit]

u click none

[bright crag]

Calamity Blood Moon is pretty mid imo

[drowsy plank]

@atomic shell thoughts?

[ashen warren]

How do I copy a character over from the 1.3.5 beta tho?

[atomic shell]

by then you have the resources to buff spawn rates further if you wanted

so you already have the choice of high spawn rate blood moons, just don’t make it mandatory

some of my worst calamity memories are getting an early blood moon in death/infernum and just getting fucking wiped