suggestions-discussion

[jovial spire]

But yeah is good to lock

since we already have alot of our own plans for stuff involving things like that

[grave zinc]

@gaunt tiger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Implement a way for the lore to be delivered to the player more frequently, and in smaller amounts]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[bright crag]

^

It depends on stuff like boss redesigns, biome reworks, enemy reworks...

[gaunt tiger]

I already knew this but yay! I'm hyped all the same

[bright crag]

All long-term projects, especially the former two

[halcyon zealot]

W

Nice

[north oracle]

I love that this suggestion starts off by saying summoner isn’t too op

[golden sonnet]

lmao, just noticed that yeah

[frosty trellis]

Oh god yeah no that's just
Not true lmao

[errant bobcat]

Universe splitter ohkoing hardmode bosses

[lucid flare]

mfw endgame weapon with a 1 minute cooldown is good against enemies in the middle of the game

[north oracle]

So true

[errant bobcat]

Yea true but it’s still ridiculous against endgame bosses

[frosty trellis]

Adult Eidolon Wyrm*

[errant bobcat]

Wait the fuck it can?

[frosty trellis]

Yep

I've seen a 10 second AEW kill on death mode with it

Master-Death, for that matter

[wide river]

Oh yeah, it's that stupid

[glass arch]

its absolutely insane with luxors, too

[frosty trellis]

Yep

Free 17k base damage minion

[wide river]

Shadowspec gear is perfectly balanced™️

[glass arch]

gitgudwo when an endgame item is better than a preboss one:

[north oracle]

Love that the highest damage weapon combines so well with a preboss accessory

[frosty trellis]

Pre-rework Unstable Granite Core at one point literally tripling the dps of Scarlet Devil:

[north oracle]

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

when the sparks on crit

[north oracle]

Back before it just doubled the dps of minishark

[wide river]

What was the pre-rework Granite Core again? I've forgotten already

[drowsy plank]

i think it generated 3 sparks on proj death if it was a crit

[glass arch]

3 sparks spawn on crits that deal like 6 base damage (classless)

[north oracle]

Yeh

[glass arch]

so uh

minishark kinda cracked with it

[north oracle]

It was absolutely broken on prehardmode ranger, and it had “applications” elsewhere

[glass arch]

frankly i didnt even know it got a rework

[frosty trellis]

Scarlet Devil bc of all the little stars and things critting made it ridiculously broken

[north oracle]

It’s still useful after the rework tbf

[wide river]

All the Shrine Accessories got a rework, barring Luxor's Gift

[frosty trellis]

Onyx Excavator Key:

[wide river]

That's a mount

[frosty trellis]

Oh right

[north oracle]

Ture..

[frosty trellis]

I just saw Shrine lol

[glass arch]

imagine scarlet devil with pre nerf dark gods sheath and pre rework usg

[wide river]

Sooo
Back before the stat curve was shrunk, essentially

[frosty trellis]

Where is the gif of Scarlet Devil one shotting SCal.....

Pre-curve shrink scal

[glass arch]

actually was it dgs that gave the 100% crit on stealth

[frosty trellis]

So 8.8mil hp

[frosty trellis]

DGS and Mirror used to give guarenteed crit on stealth

[glass arch]

ok so one of those

imagine that

dumb as shit

[north oracle]

Old UGC was my favorite accessory

[wide river]

I don't even know how to search that up
It shall be lost to the depths of time forever

[frosty trellis]

No I saw it on nohitcord not that long ago

[torn light]

I got an idea: Jazz mode. It literally just remixes all the boss music to jazz, and gives the bosses top'atts

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah sure lemme just pull a jazz musician out of my ass who'd be willing to cover the whole calamity mod soundtrack for free

but also i just

do not get the point lmao

[glass arch]

"it would be cool"

[undone holly]

for the funnies

[undone holly]

though I mean this is completely fair

[north oracle]

Yeah come on cog, where’s that jazz musician at

[glass arch]

in his ass

where else would it be

[north oracle]

Ture…

[drowsy plank]

tbqh i would if i could but my musical talents are Not Even Fucking Close to dokuro, not by a country mile

[dense ferry]

Here.

(I don't know how to play a single instrument)

[north oracle]

You’ll be perfect!

[drowsy plank]

that's what jazz is all about! (no it isnt)

[glass arch]

i can play a trumpet half decent, i think this is a great start

[north oracle]

I’m a pianist, mainly classical tho

[novel belfry]

this is uh... about as close to a cal jazz remix as i can think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaENj5ITSA

[drowsy plank]

structured mix my beloved

[red saddle]

What could work is lowering the rof and make it fire around 5 crystals, which will always have the lightning

[blazing kettle]

thats a whole lotta words for not a lot of reason

[drowsy plank]

@red saddle Heavenly Gale already glows brighter as it charges and has a particle cue when it finishes charging. The time between the lightning is part of the balancing, and is only 5 seconds which is about the same amount of time Clockwork Bow takes. Lastly, weapon balance is not and should not be part of a subjective suggestion about weapon usage. Balancing qualms are for #1042197406776827914.

[red saddle]

ah

should I just delete the suggestion then?

[ripe owl]

If you want

[drowsy plank]

If you wanted to keep it, you could ask for it to have a more obvious indication of charging kind of like Clockwork Bow

which is a pre-grade to it anyway

like what you're saying isn't necessarily bad, but the way you go about doing it just doesn't work

[dense ferry]

Perfect geometry killed me

Also @worn prairie formatting is kinda fucked

[worn prairie]

yo mb

[drowsy plank]

also this is just reversion

so no

[kindred skiff]

Also one of the reasons is opinionated

[drowsy plank]

we had a suggestion just like this shortly before i was made trial and im pretty sure shade came in here himself and struck it down hard

[dense ferry]

Yeah the sugg is kinda fucked

[kindred skiff]

Like it ever had a chance to begin with

[blazing kettle]

this is one of the examples that is on the sugg donts doc

[kindred skiff]

I’ve seen one sugg like this before and it got struck down

[wide river]

Something tells me that "alright hear me out" is a discouraged suggestion practice, in terms of openers

[drowsy plank]

yes

[ripe owl]

It never is

[drowsy plank]

@worn prairie you made it worse. somehow

please read the rules in the pins

[blazing kettle]

"alright hear me out" never has a good outcome

[worn prairie]

well that is what im best at doing

[blazing kettle]

ubless its about a movie

[glass arch]

starting off with alright hear me out is

the worst thing you can do when trying to suggest something

[kindred skiff]

Not reading the doc never has a good outcome

Why can’t people just read

[ripe owl]

Because why should they

I'm yet again convinced that people these days know how to write but not how to read

[drowsy plank]

i love how consistently people seem to make one suggestion, find out it violated the rules, and then never talk here ever again

it's a true combo

[patent nimbus]

probably cuz this chat likes to bite their head off

the main reason i dont write suggs here lol

[wide river]

That happens a lot more than one would initially think
Source: The amount of people that have left the server after getting feedback on a suggestion
Perhaps this chat is too harsh

[worn prairie]

i just dont want arguments to start bro

[patent nimbus]

it really is

[ripe owl]

I want to make some sarcastic remark but I understand that it won't help the situation

[worn prairie]

any time i bring stuff up it always happens

[north oracle]

Sigh

[wide river]

Alas, sometimes it's not your fault. Sometimes some random person misreads a suggestion and starts a 1000 message conversation

[north oracle]

Ykw there’s enough people talking about this one, I’ll just leave it

[drowsy plank]

i mean just reading the rules would help a large amount

lol

[frosty trellis]

This

[drowsy plank]

also yeah id rather not talk about yharon hp again

[ornate slate]

i think all the suggestions ive done have gone well

[worn prairie]

yeah i know i just kinda cant see pins on mobile without swiping to the left so it never crosses my mind (not defending myself just clarifying this)

[drowsy plank]

yeah but ur still here, that wasn't my point
most sugg regulars figure out the flow of things pretty quickly, but even when the ideas aren't bad; ex; the heavenly gale sugg asking for clearer indication on charge time
people just
don't change it and leave

nah i get it

i think a lot of people use mobile primarily

[north oracle]

That heavenly gale sugg is a great idea

[drowsy plank]

you'd just think they'd see the big message at the top of the channel with the rules in it too tho xd

[ripe owl]

Great idea but bad implementation

[frosty trellis]

(Even with mobile, it's not really that hard to check the pins or just, scroll up in posting for the rules. And I'm on mobile a lot so yeah)

[north oracle]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

i think it's more people just forget the pins exist

[north oracle]

Could be a good sugg tho

[north oracle]

Same lol

[worn prairie]

i usually use my computer and i see pins that i havent checked and then i check them but im not on my computer rn so i just dont really see them whenever i have discord open

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean it's not like they're "new" pins so idk if you'd get a notification for them lol

[ornate slate]

i try to make my suggestions on things that obviously should be a thing but arent

[worn prairie]

i have every server muted except for one

[frosty trellis]

I mean
It already has
A fairly clear indication

Not only does the bow itself have a glowing outline, it makes a noise, and the front of the bow has a 4 pointed star come out of it once it finishes charging

So it's not really necessary at all when it's super clear from the onset

And it was super clear on release as well

[ornate slate]

my first suggestion was to add clouds under the evil island which well happened in 1.5

[drowsy plank]

yeh

[ornate slate]

the other one was to add leviathan summon after you beat the boss and it got approved by devs at the very least

[ripe owl]

I think it mostly meant the way to understand how long it'll take til the end of the charging

[north oracle]

Ok
So I didn’t know that it had any indication

[drowsy plank]

i think the idea was to make it more obvious of the gradual buildup
cause i mean
gale vs. clockwork is a big difference

[frosty trellis]

Have you

Like

Not used HG?

[ornate slate]

and the two suggestions i have up are looking like theyre eventually gonna reach the star threshold

[ripe owl]

Not yet

[frosty trellis]

That was the whole thing I noticed immediately when trying the weapon lol

[frosty trellis]

The buildup I can see

But the indication of when it's charged (which is what I'm seeing in the post) is very clear

[north oracle]

Not apart from briefly seeing what it did (never knew it charged)

[worn prairie]

personally in my opinion i think there should be more things to do with the best reward in the game (the rock) [yes i know calamities vanities exists because i use it, but it would be funny if it did like 1 rogue damage]

[wide river]

(For the love of God don't make it consumable)

[dense ferry]

The entire point of the Rock is to be disappointing

[ripe owl]

Rock
Consumable
Material
Was it worth it?

[frosty trellis]

(Rock is supposed to do nothing, That's the point)

[worn prairie]

ik but its even more disappointing if it was a consumable item

[frosty trellis]

(Hell, that's the joke is that it's supposed to do nothing lmao)

[ornate slate]

actually, speaking of the rock

scroll up in suggestions voting

[drowsy plank]

imagine breaking the rock because you dropped it
lmfao

[frosty trellis]

Lmfao

[ornate slate]

vote to make it gray rarity so its literally a junk item

[ripe owl]

Consumable means you can just eat it and it'll do nothing
Material makes it craftable into The Rock which is the same but with The

[worn prairie]

lol

[ornate slate]

its great

[dense ferry]

Once I dipped my Rock in lava

[ornate slate]

yeah my suggestion is to make it gray so its lava proof

and even more disappointing

[worn prairie]

rock

[small timber]

we should add a tooltip to the rock saying "Dropping it into Shimmers might do something..." and then once they actually put it into shimmer it just get disenchant into normal stone block

[ripe owl]

So true

[wide river]

Problem: That would give it a use
Solution: Remove Shimmer
(joke)

[glass arch]

no when you put it in the shimmer it does nothing

[golden sonnet]

Or just disappears like coins, but gives reduced luck instead of increased

[ripe owl]

Or just disappears

[glass arch]

like it acts as though something happened, has the animation and all, but nothing actually happens

[quiet kernel]

No dropping rock into shimmer should give the 22 bullet theory lore item

[ripe owl]

No

[cobalt pewter]

dropping Rock into Shimmer should give it "Wet Rock"

still does nothing, with a new tooltip
"ew"

[ripe owl]

Idk maybe?

Just turn it into a Sponge item

Not The Sponge

But just a Sponge

That will be the same as Rock but squishy and... Full of water

[patent nimbus]

if the rock's goal is to be disappointing, then having it do nothing when thrown into shimmer would be the best way to achieve that

[north oracle]

it goes in
does the animation
and comes out with literally no changes

[ripe owl]

It goes in

And doesn't go out

Just like the RoD before you kill the Moon Lord

[north oracle]

i love that

it just doesn't show up

[ripe owl]

No

It just

Goes down to the bottom

Drowns like a rock thrown into the water

[north oracle]

[ripe owl]

[ornate slate]

what if when you throw rock into shimmer it just turns into the same item

[wide river]

"What's this? Rock is evolving!"
"..."
"Congratulations, your Rock turned into Rock!"

[grim tusk]

In b4 we get copyright claimed cuz https://open.spotify.com/track/6R34ROTnrjRXnMdBJuaP3I?si=urZNZJ3_Th6xn9DaRRvTUw

[grim tusk]

[small timber]

"Dropping it into Shimmer might do something..."
it might do something but we never say it will though

[wide river]

Rare appearance in #suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

just have to give it a special shimmer animation where it take 30 seconds only to turn back as the rock you start up with, literally turn into the same item

[novel belfry]

i remember someone considered creating a new item formed from shimmering the rock called... ||stone||

[wide river]

Rock turns to ||Stone||, huh
I can't help but think I've seen that somewhere

[novel belfry]

Plantera

[grim tusk]

Stormfront Razor

[ripe owl]

Plantaire

[grim tusk]

Bullet for my Valentine or The Warning, havent decided for the reference for [data expunged]
Love when you’re listening to a song and go like “hey I should try reworking x”

[small timber]

@ashen warren if it is just a straight number buff/nerf I think it belongs to #1042197406776827914

Additionally I think in this case it is more that tin/copper armor are way too powerful and not that desert prowler is bad (it is decent for how easy it is to get); fossil do not really apply as it is much more effort to get with fossil being the requirement

[ashen warren]

Yeah that’s fair

Those armors are really fucked in terms of stats lol

Tin just breaks mini shark lol

[small timber]

turns out early armor pen is very powerful

[ashen warren]

Especially with stn

[small timber]

desert prowler do the same thing except it is just +1 damage, copper have +2 for some reason

[ashen warren]

Yeah that’s what was weirdest to me

How the worst armor is better offensively the. Desert prowler

Yeah I deleted the suggestion I think it fits better in balance suggestions tbh

[blazing stone]

How to I get essence of crystal in pre-Hardmode, I’m trying to make the Storm surge

[glass arch]

post wiki link

also wrong channel

[pale nacelle]

Official wiki: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/

**Do not use the Fandom wiki**

It will no longer be updated nor maintained, and it is heavily vandalized with fake information.

Use the official Calamity Mod Wiki here at wiki.gg instead.

[glass arch]

there is your issue

[blazing stone]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Storm_Surge

It still says I need the essence of crystal

[glass arch]

do you mean [[Pearl Shards]] or [[Sea Prisms]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pearl_Shards?action=edit&redlink=1
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Sea_Prisms?action=edit&redlink=1

[glass arch]

fuck me in the ass

[drowsy plank]

also still not the channel for this

[glass arch]

dammit

[drowsy plank]

haha you left an 's' on the page names

[glass arch]

yes

[[Pearl Shard]]s or [[Sea Prism]]s

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pearl_Shard
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Sea_Prism

[blazing stone]

Thanks I figured it out

[gaunt tiger]

Another day another yharon suggestion

[peak mulch]

Guys what about adding idk silva bodyatthe bottom kf the abyss

Or idk

Grave

[swift wharf]

there are probably plans for something related to that

[novel belfry]

i feel like more should be done with silva

surely, with this amount of buildup, surely she's going to be some bossfight, or even a superboss?

[golden sonnet]

She's dead.

Lmao

[wide river]

Boss? Likely not, she's already dead.
Background figure? Yes, that is likely.

[golden sonnet]

It even says "disposing of Silva's remains" during worldgen

[wide river]

To be fair, sometimes that one rushes by during worldgen, but I see your point

[novel belfry]

Here, I disposed of the burgeoning remains of Silva, the Goddess of Life itself. Obviously, she of all Gods refused to truly die.
My wishes were that she would be forgotten, but her tenacity is remarkable.
Diffused, her influence inundated that pit of crushing pressure with flora and fauna aplenty.
Her great roots continue to thrash and tear at the impossibly dense stone, growing uncontrollably.
She will soon remake it in her image. I can think of no worse fate for this accursed, hadal domain.

-Abyss lore item

[wide river]

It doesn't mean that she's still alive
It's figuratively speaking. It just means her influence persists, despite many years having passed since her demise

[golden sonnet]

Her life essence so to speak is still working, but she is still dead

[novel belfry]

Sounds like a cop out, if you ask me. Coward Silva.

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[novel belfry]

Won't even bother to use her life essence to revive herself

Now all she has to offer to the world is this shitty armor set with her name

[dense ferry]

No Silva literally can't reform

[novel belfry]

skill issue

[swift wharf]

grow back

[hollow ridge]

@wispy plume needs title

And get rid of the weak title

Replace it probably

And make it bold cus yes

[north oracle]

The angler doesn’t even have a shop does he? Also I think the merchant sells bait

[hollow ridge]

Yeah he doesn't, yeah he does

(Answered both questions

[wispy plume]

oh, the merchant does?

[hollow ridge]

check it out

[north oracle]

That’s something that should definitely be mentioned, though I’m not opposed to the idea of moving the bait to the angler and giving him a shop

[wispy plume]

yeah

maybe keep bait in merchant

but

[glass arch]

the angler shop mod exists

[wispy plume]

have the angler sell better bait, a bigger variety, or both

[glass arch]

the merchant sells the best bait already

[wispy plume]

Well I mean, Calamity does add a lot of things there are a lot of mods for

[glass arch]

yes

but something this specialized doesnt need to be in cal

especially considering they literally just reworked the angler quest system

[wispy plume]

Maybe the angler could sell it cheaper, and I also said he could sell other equipment, like quest items

[north oracle]

There’s no point in having two NPCs sell the same item anyway

[glass arch]

if the angler sells it cheaper then why make the merchant sell it at all

[wispy plume]

ok, fair

[glass arch]

hell if the angler sells it why have the merchant sell it

plus the angler already has a reworked quest system

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

IL Edit hell

[glass arch]

yeah the IL Edit hell is real

[swift wharf]

just replace the angler with a perfect copy of the angler but with a shop

[glass arch]

plus why even have this the angler just got reworked

[wide river]

Isn't there also already a mod that gives the Angler a shop

[glass arch]

yes

[wispy plume]

Imma delete my suggestion, bc it clearly sucks lmaoo

[glass arch]

i pointed that out already

[hollow ridge]

🤓 erm calamity isn't based around using qol mods

[glass arch]

#changelogs message

[wide river]

Oh, sorry. I hadn't noticed that

[glass arch]

is ok

[woven yarrow]

isn't the angler already redundant due to DS and AS dropping all of the relevant quest items?

[wispy plume]

Just asking before I suggest this, would this be a good suggestion?: An item that reveals the whole map

[wide river]

I think that was a bandaid fix because the system was garbage at the time
They might be able to get removed now that the Angler is better

[hollow ridge]

Other mods have this

Fargos

Cheat sheet iir

Calnohitqol

Ect

[woven yarrow]

dont know, kinda like it that way

[north oracle]

There’s several ways to do that yeah

[woven yarrow]

I'm just always a bit confused, that the sandy and bleached angling kit are basically the same item just with the addition of the tackle bag in the latter

[tired haven]

I suspect that massive angler buffs won't be removed because the degree to which vanilla angler was buffed doesn't really compare

Well, not fully, at least. There probably are some overlaps now

[wide river]

The Bleached Angling Kit has some slightly higher drop chances, but aside from that and the Tackle Bag that you mentioned, they are just the same item

[woven yarrow]

but like a point somewhat increase really doesnt make any difference at all

[hollow shell]

@coral maple Only one suggestion per message, because each one gets voted on individually

Also, both suggestions need to have a section explaining the reason why they should be implemented

[coral maple]

oh

[swift wharf]

it's already disabled in bossfights no?

[coral maple]

no.

its not.

[swift wharf]

yes it is

it's in the wiki

unless some other mod is making it work during boss fights

[hollow shell]

Or the wiki is incorrect, possibly due to a bug

Would be good to get in-game testing

[swift wharf]

it's in the changelogs too

[coral maple]

oh...

[swift wharf]

it's a bug or your mod is outdated

[coral maple]

my last

my last playthrough

was before that

sorry

[swift wharf]

bruh

[coral maple]

ok

there we go

ok

[drowsy plank]

what is this even asking

[coral maple]

add more mage weapons

from post moon lord

to dog

[drowsy plank]

there are easily two dozen within that time frame what

[coral maple]

all are worse

than the lunar flare

[drowsy plank]

no they arent lmfao

[coral maple]

name 1

[hollow shell]

Sounds like Lunar Flare needs a nerf, if that can be evidently supported

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/User:JupiterO5/Mage_Guide

[coral maple]

they are worse

[drowsy plank]

based on what??

[coral maple]

damage

try them

rn

[hollow shell]

Go to #1042197406776827914 and do rigorous testing

[drowsy plank]

yeah this is balance sugg thing but also that is the worst elaboration ever lmfao

[coral maple]

try them

on test dummy

and on boss

[hollow shell]

That thread I linked is where this convo should take place

Exists solely for this purpose

aight cool thank you

[glass arch]

this is the one of worst ways to test dps btw

[kindred skiff]

Magnetic meltdown

[hollow shell]

Late to the convo, Canoes

[halcyon zealot]

smh my head

[fervent orbit]

better late than never?

[ornate kestrel]

In this case, it doesn't matter

[kindred skiff]

Does this sugg mean make all auric Tesla ore flash when touched?

[golden sonnet]

The opposite

That's what currently happens, they want only the vein you mine to flash

[kindred skiff]

Oh

Didn’t know that happens

[dense ferry]

Just one problem

Elysian Aegis and Elysian Wings

[hybrid steeple]

true

[dense ferry]

You should at least mention them

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

alright

[swift wharf]

just uhhhhh

[dense ferry]

I don't like the idea of both dropping at the same time nor both having different chances tbh

But yeah that's not up to us to decide anyways

[hybrid steeple]

she's gonna be moved to a singular biome eventually anyways

so

actually does mentioning the profaned biome count as using upcoming content as reasoning

[swift wharf]

yes

[dense ferry]

Make one of them drop from Night Providence

[random pasture]

Based

[hybrid steeple]

remove night provi sugg
coming never because idrc

[cobalt pewter]

Elysian Aegis being Night Provi drop

[novel belfry]

Rework night provi to just be the alternative provi instead

but overdone what about the super version of provi
solar eclipse provi

[golden sonnet]

I actually like that

[undone holly]

I like this tbh, it feels like too much like EoL as it is

[hybrid steeple]

yeah actually

[undone holly]

daylight cycle based fight that goes super mode when its night / day

[hybrid steeple]

afaik its just a eol reference

and her powering up at night has no lore bearing

i would put that in my sugg too but thats too wide-ranging i think

[gilded scroll]

hell, would it being night just make her weaker? considering moonlight is just weaker reflected sunlight

[hybrid steeple]

she doesnt have sun connections anymore

[dense ferry]

There is the fact that Provi has

2 different modes tbh

But it wouldn't hurt to put both together tbh

[gilded scroll]

then the whole day/night thing just makes even less sense imo

[hybrid steeple]

yep

[dense ferry]

Wouldn't be too much, would imo just make the fight better and isn't too hard to balance

[cobalt pewter]

provi should speed up time while alive and make the day phases part of her moveset

[gilded scroll]

i mean, why not make Night Prov like- her "oh shit" phase?

one final power up to make sure you die

[hollow shell]

very very eventually

[undone holly]

kinda like CV?

[gilded scroll]

basically, yeah

[cobalt pewter]

okay actually do not do this, speeding up time to significant multiplier lags my laptop a ton

[undone holly]

I'm not saying that its unoriginal, just as an example

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

cuz that's not the point of Night Prov

The point of Night Prov is to be a ripoff of Day EoL

[hybrid steeple]

so something like
Remove the biome restrictions on Providence and the Profaned Guardians, and move Providence's biome-exclusive drops to night vs. day
As of the From the Ashes update, Providence and her Guardians have no link to Hell or the Hallow. As Yharon received a similar removal of biome limitations with his new lore, it would only make sense to remove their biome restrictions too. Additionally, Providence has no ties to the sun in her new lore, and no other reason for powering up at night besides being a reference to the Empress of Light. As such, her biome-exclusive drops could instead be moved to defeating her at night vs. defeating her in the day, with her nighttime power-up being removed.

[gilded scroll]

yeah but it just doesnt make sense lore wise

[small timber]

Nono

[cobalt pewter]

what is lore anyways

[hollow shell]

Yeah Night Prov has never made sense lore-wise
Fab did it cuz he wanted to

[small timber]

99% of player will never fight night provi

[undone holly]

I personally like the solar eclipse idea of the hard mode

[cobalt pewter]

well time to go home, there's no need to argue about this anymore

[undone holly]

unless it turns night accidentally

[cobalt pewter]

[gilded scroll]

mmmm yes, forced 4 minute fight. very fun

[dense ferry]

Idk, Night Provi is still really fun tbh

Like, I get that there is no Lore reasons, but people still really like the fight, just removing it because of that would definitely be a letdown

[cobalt pewter]

it's partially why I kinda gave up on suggesting things that are heavily related to reworking bosses

not that I ever had anything much to think about in that regard

[small timber]

The solution is of course to make elysian wings and aegis crafted from uelibloom/divine geode instead of a direct drop

[cobalt pewter]

!!!!!

[small timber]

Surely people will love that idea here

[hybrid steeple]

true

[gilded scroll]

i would personally vote to be rid of night Prov, i dont see why a forced 4 minute fight would be fun for anyone
but thats just me

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[dense ferry]

So yeah, don't mess with Night Provi on the sugg tbh

[cobalt pewter]

it's fun for Fab

[small timber]

That is why night providence is specifically a fight with no reward other than a dye

[cobalt pewter]

and he's the absolute when it comes to boss design ig 🤷‍♂️

[small timber]

You fight it because you want to fight it

[gilded scroll]

mfw the dye is good i will admit that

[cobalt pewter]

technically it makes her drop both Elysian things no?

if your hallow is fucked, then maybe that's an option

[gilded scroll]

but i just usually cheat it in because i dont want to go through the slog of Night Prov only to get very little dye in return

[small timber]

I mean killing 2 normal providence in 2 different biome is way easier than a 4 min double damage double attack speed providence but can be just me

[dense ferry]

Yeah, and the people who do it REALLY like the fight

[cobalt pewter]

ye I usually do that too

I never really found night provi to be fun

[small timber]

Because for the most part night providence is surprisingly fair

[hybrid steeple]

well i've added the craftability idea

[dense ferry]

Providence is already one of the best Bosses in the Mod, so giving the option to fight a souped up version for fun is definitely cool

[ripe owl]

Nighttime Provi was made because everyone was doing it because of Daytime EoL
Why it's forced to be 4 minutes, is unknown and rather weird

[small timber]

But yeah

Tldr I dont think they will ever make night providence not a completely optional fight

[gilded scroll]

to me, Night Prov is like Abominationn, it just takes a long time to best them, and the enjoyment factor slowly dies

[cobalt pewter]

then again bosses in cal are typically ??? to me

there are some rare exceptions where I like the fight for the most part (like Deus) but at best I felt indifferent to cal bosses

[dense ferry]

Buuuuut I do agree it shouldn't be "Night Providence", but

Something else Providence

[small timber]

4 min is not a long time, people are just used to melt

4 min is literally the standard killtine on tier

[gilded scroll]

but melt funni

[cobalt pewter]

4 mins is not that bad I think

probably the fsct that it's forced upon regardless of tier that turns people off

[dense ferry]

I mean, Exos and SCal are like, 7 minutes aren't they?

[cobalt pewter]

idk I never remembered exos, it's a tiring fight

[gilded scroll]

i dont mind long killtimes, but when its forced, thats when i start caring

[ripe owl]

Abominationn, an important boss in the progression of Fargo's Souls, drops materials for powerful accessories
Nighttime Providence, a completely optional boss that's just a harder version of an importer boss of Calamity, drops nothing new but dyes and both Elysian accessories

[cobalt pewter]

it's just chaos all over

[small timber]

4 min is not really impactful unless you are using like elemental shiv trying to kill it in 1:40 with adrenaline or are way off tier and realise you cant damage it with tyranny's end

[ripe owl]

Comparison of the century

[cobalt pewter]

but I think scal is 6? I don't remember

[gilded scroll]

im not comparing them based on that, im comparing them to the fact that they both make my fucking soul die

[small timber]

From personal experience abomination is way more fun than mutant

[gilded scroll]

they are good fights, dont get me wrong, but sometimes i just dont feel up for that BS

[gilded scroll]

AGREED

[cobalt pewter]

I stopped playing souls on abom

probably not because of the boss in particular

but still

[gilded scroll]

Abom is way more fair with his attacks

[small timber]

Though at the time I also didnt realise you can press S to stay in place indefinitely, I spam space for the phanstasmal eye ring attack so I did always got hit

[ripe owl]

Because every endgame eventually turns into a boss rush

[small timber]

Which was pure pain

(Though admittedly it was also years ago)

[cobalt pewter]

what endgame in terraria modding doesn't turn into a boss rush

[gilded scroll]

anyways, im gonna go. im not adding much to the conversation besides rants

[small timber]

I mean everytime people try to add some thing it will get treated as "pad" or "add 30 min mandatory grinding time and get the same result anyway"

Unpopular opinion but I think the general community do, in fact, like that it is a boss rush

[dense ferry]

Byeah @hybrid steeple what I think you should suggest is just to take off the spawn requirement Provi has, merge both Hell and Hallow variants with small tweaks to make the fight actually work, say to do something with Elysian Aegis/Wings and then just not touch Night Provi at all

[ripe owl]

Sometimes you're stuck on a boss and you wanna do something else but all you have is the boss

[cobalt pewter]

remove bosses

they're unhealthy to the game

[surreal hinge]

fuck man yall talkin abt elysian stuff??

[small timber]

The problem with adding more nonnboss content is that for it not to be seen as a "pad" it cannt be grinding based, it have to be exploration based

[surreal hinge]

i did a ctrl + f to search for a message containing elysian i couldnt find

and now search is clogged up ):<

[small timber]

So you cant just add post-yharon empowered auric slime rain, you have to add new biomes and subworlds for exploration brcause the space in the overworld is limited

[dense ferry]

Night Providence honestly just needs to be changed to

Not be fought at Night

Idk the excuse but I can without a shred of doubt see Cei coming up with something

[novel belfry]

Solar Eclipse

its possible, polarities did it with their pixie boss

surely you can just make "night" providence into ecliptic providence

[hybrid steeple]

its at least better-fitting thematically

if not really lore accurate

[dense ferry]

I don't see how tbh, considering still that

[hybrid steeple]

better fitting

[dense ferry]

Provi has no connections to the sun anymore

[hybrid steeple]

not good fitting

[dense ferry]

Well, it is better, but changing -1 for -0.9 isn't really a good choice tbh

[hybrid steeple]

yeah but the symbolism of the solar eclipse in new lore

its moon lord overshadowing zeratros but it could be stretched to be the gods overshadowing the dragons
its
slightly better fitting

[novel belfry]

EXACTLY, you could even make ecliptic providence drop darksun fragments or maybe even ascendant spirit essence

[dense ferry]

I mean, Dragons could be seen as the sun

But I can't see the Gods as the moon

[cobalt pewter]

so remove night provi then?

[dense ferry]

Byeah, it's changing something completely incompatible to something that barely fits, it's better to just straight up jump to the better conclusion and leave as it is currently

[hybrid steeple]

mhm

[dense ferry]

Remove the Night from Night Provi

[cobalt pewter]

or put "night" provi to br

[dense ferry]

And simply put that AI under some different spawning method

[cobalt pewter]

every br bosses should just have rdr

[dense ferry]

So ture......

[small timber]

So what you mean is we should make night providence the default providence in death mode

Just like how death mode yharon should be the previously malice yharon

[dense ferry]

YES

This user gets me

[small timber]

I mean tbf it will not be too far off

Msince death mode is the "highest difficulty" now

[north oracle]

Ykw
Hell yeah

Do it

[small timber]

Just there will be a small difficulty gap between expert and rev ; and rev and death

[fallow plover]

well you could get infernum

[dense ferry]

Night Providence is WAY TOO MUCH for Death tbh

[small timber]

Very very small difficulty gap

[dense ferry]

And like, if you wanted to step shit up to her level then

We got a problem

[small timber]

Ah yes ftw 1 screen border yharon as default death mode yharon

[bright crag]

Yeah, I think so too

But I'm not against changing her enrage condition

[crude geode]

So what is Provi’s current lore

[dense ferry]

Goddess said "hum, yes, people aren't equal"

So she decided to kill everyone to make them all equal

With a minor amount of trolling in the meantime

[bright crag]

Essentially this ^
Providence seeks to eliminate inequality by reducing everything to featureless ash

[ornate kestrel]

Hey, that doesn't sound too bad, why don't we join her

[random pasture]

Inequality cringe. Genocide based.
-Providence Calamity Providence 2023

[frosty trellis]

Wait why does the latter sound like what scal did to the crags

[bright crag]

??

Have you read new lore

[dense ferry]

Doesn't even look like Old Lore tbh

[random pasture]

The crags are not exactly featureless

[hollow shell]

Old lore had Yharim nuke the crags (using SCal) just cuz he was like, racist

The Crags might've been the place that he and his family were sentenced to death by lava
thereby giving him a motivation of revenge
But I don't think that was ever explicitly made clear

[bright crag]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wasn't clear

Though the revenge, in that case, is a bit questionable since the Crag people weren't responsible

[errant wren]

war as a whole concept

[bright crag]

War has reasoning
Terrible, evil and often flawed reasoning, but still some sort of logic
Typically, acquiring territory and political power

But Yharim didn't have any other reason besides "revenge" (at least, in what had been established) and his revenge motivation is questionable so like

Why did he do that?

[errant wren]

power statement? i know that there are parts to wars that were just to prove points. idk i'm just here for the suggestions

[grave zinc]

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[cold cosmos]

Yo lets go

[golden tulip]

suggestion number 42 of giving providence a visual indicator for going too far

funny how they keep passing but it never gets implemented

[stable kiln]

i think everyone wants it but no one made an animation/sprite for it which is why it isnt a thing by now lol

maybe this time

[small timber]

soon™️

and I imagine the constant porting also lead to severe burn out

like how many months are literally just porting the game to new tmodloader patch now, in a row

[golden tulip]

seems to be happening a lot lately huh

stuff needing to be done but
noone doing it

[small timber]

after they are done with 1.4.4 vanilla literally will just realise 1.4.5 and then there is porting hell again

[stable kiln]

1.4.5 port shouldnt be nearly as bad as 1.4.4 port

[small timber]

and then 3 months later vanilla announce 1.4.6 super secret memorial patch for another porting lesson where they revamp the entire world gen according to terraria 2 vision

[golden tulip]

that is what they said about 1.4.4 porting

[stable kiln]

well its definitely not as bad as 1.4 port

[golden tulip]

true, but i think it has been more of a headache than anticipated

[stable kiln]

in 1.4 terraria rewrote the entire base, and in 1.4.4 tml did that which is why its taking so long

1.4.5 shouldnt do something like that

..right?

[stable kiln]

and, yeah

[hybrid steeple]

this sugg is just doomed to never get in
submitted 7 times
actually got into voting and was approved once but has been stuck in dev hell for two years i guess
and now i guess it got 20% just after things were brought into voting

[hybrid steeple]

re-logic stop updating the game when they say theyre going to stop updating the game challenge

[crude geode]

Clearly this means that 1.4.5 will lead to Calamity rewriting it’s entire base

[swift wharf]

rewrite the mod from scratch

will fix every issue

[glass arch]

rewrite vanilla from scratch

this cannot possibly make the code worse

[swift wharf]

terraria two

[ripe owl]

No like actually, if you were to rewrite Terraria's code, you'd be better off creating a whole new game

[random pasture]

I mean yeah

Thats where the terraria 2 memes come from

[tired haven]

That's not a meme, that's a threat

[swift wharf]

yo @pseudo hill keep discussions and other messages about suggestions to this channel

[hybrid steeple]

moment

[pseudo hill]

As soon as that one gets voted I am voting yes

Profaned guardians are difficult

And being able to fight them with enough room and them not be enraged would be amazing

[hybrid steeple]

how has the bot not 🗜️ed that yet

[fervent orbit]

[swift wharf]

i'll just delete it cuz yea

[pseudo hill]

Most if not all of my calamity play throughs get gatekept at guardians/providence

Even my first one (although that was because of a glitch that made it so I couldn’t kill providence)

[random talon]

just set the skip from Epiphany to Acceptance to start at the final note or something idk I can't code

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[random talon]

It's harder than how I described it, isn't it?

[hybrid steeple]

but the sugg didnt get through (it did once but is in hell)

[random talon]

we need to get it out of hell

anyone have a spare Magic Mirror?

[wide river]

Oh hey how'd this happen

[random talon]

I have a suggestion regarding the angler, but I want to use it for my own mod

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
Isn't this literally the prime example of the config don't

[random talon]

it seems to border on that

it's a pretty useless suggestion tho

why the hell would anyone want to turn it on

[drowsy plank]

nah this definetly is reversion

[swift wharf]

mod mixing........

[wide river]

Yeah it is

[random talon]

damn it's called by name

[wide river]

It's just straight up the example in the don'ts

[swift wharf]

I mean you could just
use the summon and trash it

but boss summons SHOULD be consumable actually

[random talon]

moral of the story: don't screw with the configs

[drowsy plank]

@violet basin this is explictly against the rules because it is reversion and is also highly discourage because configs are bandaid fixes

[swift wharf]

make them consumable after the boss dies

[drowsy plank]

that's just fargos

[swift wharf]

i think fargo souls does something like that I could be incredibly wr

fargo is RIGHT

[drowsy plank]

i really do not care to have consumable summons back

[random talon]

yea they seem like a bit of a pain

well

[drowsy plank]

i sincerely do not know what it adds

[random talon]

a pain in the grand scheme of the mod

[swift wharf]

boss summons were made infinite so the player doesn't have to craft another summon if they die to the boss but it creates the problem of monetary inflation

[wide river]

There's really no good way to fix this, because we either have "Infinite summons", "Constant grinding for more summons", or "Summon goes away after you kill the boss", all of which some group of people doesn't like

[drowsy plank]

unironically i would sooner take bosses just

not dropping money anymore

[random talon]

who wants to fight Dragonfolly just to die to Yharon and need to fight Dragonfolly again

[swift wharf]

oh yeah true

[swift wharf]

you fool dragon egg being non consumable is old as fuck

[random talon]

oh lmao

I'm new to playing the mod as fuck

[swift wharf]

same with cosmic worm and provi summon

byea

[random talon]

how about a Battle Cats system regarding the bosses dropping money?

[violet basin]

🥹

[swift wharf]

true

[drowsy plank]

and like at the end of the day i can just go make a mob farm and do the same thing that farming a boss does, like making boss summons consumable is NOT going to fix calamity's inflation issue

[random talon]

what I mean by this is in Battle Cats, constantly grinding the same stage will deplete how much XP it gives you

[swift wharf]

i mean mob farms are supposed to be good because they are farms and take some effort

[random talon]

perhaps that could be put in place but with money

[wide river]

Most of the "major boss summons" have almost always been non-consumable, primarily just the post-Moon Lord ones
I think there's a few Hardmode summons that were non-consumable by default, but I don't remember what they were

[drowsy plank]

you can just sell the drops if you want money from bosses

[swift wharf]

byeah making bosses not drop money directly would work

if someone mentions exo mechs to reinforce the argument i will throw them into a river

[random talon]

[wide river]

Alas I don't know if we could ever suggest it, as I think it'd be one of the most high effort suggestions this channel would ever see

[drowsy plank]

1000 platinum

[swift wharf]

1000 platinum will crash the economy of me already having 3 million platinum

[drowsy plank]

so true!!!

[swift wharf]

this will truly impact the 5 endgame weapons that exist

[random talon]

I'd like to once again suggest we do what Battle Cats does and have the bosses drop less money for every time you fight them

does that sound good?

[wide river]

Maybe don't call it "What Battle Cats does", but instead refer to it as diminishing returns, otherwise it might be seen as a reference suggestion

[swift wharf]

yea

[random talon]

I see

tho I think Battle Cats is a good example of the system working, so we should maybe give it a mention

[vernal spruce]

What system

[wide river]

As long as you don't use it as the primary reasoning, I think it shouldn't be seen as a reference

[random talon]

diminishing returns

[vernal spruce]

Idk what that means

[random talon]

the more you fight a boss, the less money they give

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[golden sonnet]

Tbh I like just not making bosses drop money, just sell the drops, no need to implement a convoluted dynamic system

[wide river]

Just give it a mention as an example, but don't say that's the exact method of fixing it

[vernal spruce]

That makes sense to me

[wide river]

We have plenty of those already
Velocity-Based Contact Damage:

[random talon]

my loot-hoarding ass will not stand for such madness!

[random talon]

wait what should I title the suggestion???

[wide river]

If you're going to suggest a diminishing return system for boss drops, make the title something like:

Make boss drops have diminishing returns

[random talon]

ok

[gentle chasm]

update
it wasnt a mod

[drowsy plank]

bro whipping out the two month old sugg

yeah expected tbh lol

[gentle chasm]

silly billy past me and ankh

[dense ferry]

GRAAAAAAAAAH NOT LIKE UNDERTALE

All things considered yeah this idea isn't too bad just not really fitting tbh

[grim tusk]

@little sentinel no reasoning

[dense ferry]

And I have no idea how annoying something like that would be to code

[glass arch]

i presume quite annoying

[swift wharf]

dark souls you died fits more

[glass arch]

especially for multiplayer

[grim tusk]

Very (fucking multiplayer)

[dense ferry]

Fun fact: It's already like that

[swift wharf]

no black screen....

[little sentinel]

didn't know, sorry.

[dense ferry]

GOD THAT WOULD KILL MULTIPLAYER EVEN MORE

[frosty trellis]

Yeah let's not cause more MP issues

[glass arch]

i am currently in the process of seeing just how bad mp is

[little sentinel]

Didn't even think about mp lol

[glass arch]

(11 player multiplayer god save us all)

[frosty trellis]

Last night in a dedicated server mind you, KS bugged out and was about twice as big as FTW king slime

[grim tusk]

Adding code for singleplayer:
Not that bad

Multiplayer:

[glass arch]

granted that was because i couldnt turn down my hp config

but yeah it was goofy

[little sentinel]

Does not even compare to how hard your guys' jobs must be, but I did try developing a roblox game once, and yes multiplayer almost made me scrap it

[frosty trellis]

(The HP config is server-locked, it only works when I slap it in the mod configs folder)

[glass arch]

no no

[wide river]

What was the suggestion
Judging by the panic in the chat, it seems to be hell involving multiplayer

[little sentinel]

Custom death screen

[frosty trellis]

New death screen

Yeah

[glass arch]

i could move the values around it just really didnt want to

[wide river]

The only way I could see it feasibly working is if it was disabled in multiplayer, but even then that's too much of a hassle to code around

[glass arch]

and then i almost solod 900% ks because i was the only one that didnt get spawn telefragged

[frosty trellis]

No I'm serious bc Optrix, Cog and I were messing around with that last night and if I took the configs out of the folder, bosses went back to normal health despite any of us having our configs at 900, or all of us for that matter

But when I put the config back in, back to 100

[glass arch]

weird

[wide river]

Multiplayer is a flawless experience with no flaws whatsoever

[glass arch]

something was fucky and i only saw it stop when i got my config down to 0

[golden sonnet]

Real and true

[swift wharf]

make it client side only

[frosty trellis]

Yeaaaaaaaah

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

Die

[glass arch]

oh yeah that reminds me my texture packs are off i gotta get those on

[little sentinel]

lol

[frosty trellis]

No just give us server configs for shit like that instead of client ones and a bunch of random MP bugs with that can be fixed so easily

Since it won't have multiple players fucking with the same setting that can cause wild issues

[wide river]

Server configs that can only be changed by the host would be amazing

[frosty trellis]

Yeah tell me about it

Just put shit like boss HP, forced town safety, potion shops, etc. In a server config

Bunch of other mods use server configs as well

So it's not like there is no precident

[random talon]

Are people talking about my suggestion or something else?!

[glass arch]

other stuff

[random talon]

ok

[glass arch]

multiplayer issues with a death screen sugg

[random talon]

I think I saw that for a breif moment

it was custom death screens or smth

[glass arch]

oh its gone already

[grim tusk]

@blissful osprey for our yoyos (and heck we make most vanilla ones do so too) we do use Local-Iframes

Other modded yoyo’s are their respective mod’s problem which is easily fixed by making em and their projectiles use that Iframe type (static in case you want to make the spawned projectiles share iframes)

[blissful osprey]

I'm talking about calamity's yoyos

[grim tusk]

Its known that many yoyo’s are on a bad spot rn but thats balance wise and not iframe wise

So it belongs on #1042197406776827914

[blissful osprey]

No it's an iframe issue on my end at least

[grim tusk]

Should have specified too

[glass arch]

yeah yoyos are just
bad rn

[blissful osprey]

With the yoyo bag the second one nabs all the hits

[grim tusk]

What version you on?

[glass arch]

if only my lacerator suggestion wasnt shot down

[grim tusk]

And anyways its an easy fix yet belongs on #1042197406776827914 and not there

[blissful osprey]

2.0.2.3

calamity

[grim tusk]

Ah thats latest

Anyways #1042197406776827914

[blissful osprey]

i mean i dont think it really gets seen there but ill take it there

[night jolt]

I don't really agree at all with the platinum suggestion

Not only is it not particularly difficult to build an automatic money farm:

But you'd still just be able to kill the same boss over and over again and just sell their loot for money

[undone holly]

regarding the most recent suggestion, I’d say the money from bosses is negligible when I’m grinding them out for money

as in, the coins they directly drop

as selling the loot is what I do most often

[glass arch]

the direct money drops are still too high

twins drop ~2 plat per kill

[undone holly]

seriously?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[undone holly]

I never noticed this

[golden sonnet]

@crude spade this is for mod suggestions only, go to #wiki-discussion for things like this

[crude spade]

oh mb lol

[golden sonnet]

no worries

[blazing kettle]

interesting sugg, but i dont know if it would be too useful

[crude spade]

more for finding weapons that might be fun but overshadowed

[buoyant idol]

Isn’t that a thing or only on fandom?

[blazing kettle]

just look on the weapons page lmao

!wiki weapons

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Weapons

[distant gyro]

there is such things

[crude spade]

how much time you think i have, theres a lot of weapons

[blazing kettle]

just look with yer eyes

[distant gyro]

!wiki special:Random

[red storm]

🎲 https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Mounted_Scanner

[blazing kettle]

oh

[north oracle]

oh lmao

welp
there you go

[blazing kettle]

if you want a interesting weapon, try the flak cannon

[errant bobcat]

Flak cannon is interesting certainly, but it is just “cursor deals damage” weapon

[fervent orbit]

thats the flak kraken

the flak toxicannon is different

[errant bobcat]

ah ok

[blazing kettle]

@humble umbra your sugg has improper formatting, and this is a sugg-posting don't

[humble umbra]

wdym improper formatting

its a cool vid i found i thought an animation like this would be awesome

[blazing kettle]

it doesnt have a reasoning

and uh

this breaks a sugg posting rule by itself

its too specific

[undone cedar]

@humble umbra please read the suggestion rules before making a post

[humble umbra]

ah i see

mb

[ripe owl]

Suggestion
With no suggestion

[drowsy plank]

im just gotta delete this and the wiki one

they are fundamentally flawed i dont think you can really "fix" them lmao

[cobalt pewter]

coin × 0.85 ^ (attempts - 1)

[ripe owl]

More like

Coin * 0.85 ^(win - 1)

[cobalt pewter]

oh wait yea I am dumb

[ripe owl]

Because yours will make the boss drop 1 copper faster

[cobalt pewter]

yeah kills

[ripe owl]

[cobalt pewter]

coin × 0.85 ^ (kills - 1)

[ripe owl]

Imagine wasting a ton of attempts on a boss to get no money from it

[cobalt pewter]

if provi drops 3 plat

on the 5th kill she'll drop 1 plat 56 gold 60 silver 18 copper

on the 10th kill she'll drop 69 gold 47 silver 50 copper

on the 40th kill she'll drop 53 silver 2 copper

[ripe owl]

Sounds about right

I personally wouldn't mind

[cobalt pewter]

surprisingly, yeah

this could mitigate a bit of the economy issue

granted bosses still drop things

that can be sold

make NPCs buy bulk goods for less each

though I think if this is applied in some wah

way

the sell value of items can just be tanked

also for the last sugg

cal does Not like deerclops

[eternal escarp]

i will be the last guardian of my little scrunkle

[mortal rock]

I agree Deerclops doesn't seem to get anything interesting not even buffs

(to the drops ofc)

[eternal escarp]

either way balance concerns dont go to suggestions they go to #1042197406776827914

Deerclops will eventually get Rev+AI
just not right now

[north oracle]

Blast
Make him interesting
Please

[mortal rock]

man damn you fryzahh

[eternal escarp]

you see if i knew how to code

[cobalt pewter]

simply become coder

[eternal escarp]

id see if i could

[north oracle]

[eternal escarp]

by the time i learn to code itd prolly get Rev+ AI

[north oracle]

I don’t like him because there’s literally no point in his existence

[mortal rock]

Fryzahh is a lier D: he told me to got suggestions

[eternal escarp]

atleast my deerclops rendition lives on in Infernum

[eternal escarp]

but yeah as for the sugg

[mortal rock]

ight

[eternal escarp]

fryzahh prolly meant the specific thread but didnt mention the thread

silly fryzahh..

[mortal rock]

proly will just copy and paste

[dense ferry]

Fryzzah skill issuing wtf

[mortal rock]

True..

Fryzahh Lier

[swift wharf]

yeah if it has been brought to #1042197406776827914 then it should be deleted so I'll exclaim it

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah the diminishing returns thing is actually

interesting

[mortal rock]

Ight

[tired haven]

Should have answered "if i knew how to make grounded boss fun"

irrefutable point

[small timber]

but what if using boss summons require money instead of giving money

if you dont pay 50 gold when using king slime summon item it will be consumed

[tired haven]

pay2play mechanics

(I mean, on a serious note I am not completely opposed, but I do recall that any mod attempts to sell boss summons for more than their loot's worth caused havoc)

[small timber]

the ultimate pay2play playthrough:

• consuming items cost 1 gold, otherwise you can't consume the item
• world is locked by grids which you can only unlock through gold to expand how much of the world you can explore
• boss summons require gold to use
• crafting any items will be taxed 1 gold, otherwise you cant craft item
• NPC refuse to talk to you unless you have at least 5 platinum in your inventory for at least 30 minutes
• every 30 seconds your weapon decrease in durability which you can repair at goblin tinkerer for 1 gold per durability loss (scale with item value)
• you have -20 luck if you have less than 1 platinum in your inventory, slowly increase to +1 luck if you have more than 50 platinum in inventory
• if you die you will be charged death taxes, 100% of your money are loss from your inventory, piggy bank and safe, and also from all container in the world that had been opened

[dense locust]

-20 luck is wild

[north oracle]

Death taxes lmao

[dense locust]

The 2 constants mixed into one

[tired haven]

It also doesn't even work in vanilla setting

Anything beyond 1 and -1 has to be coded in

[dense locust]

It’s a percentage right?

[tired haven]

Mmm

[dense locust]

So -1 would be garunteed least lucky outcome?

[tired haven]

Not really

Well, in terms of cap yeah

But the outcome is coded in its own way, so it doesn't operate directly on %
Closest would be "x% chance the actual chance becomes worse"

[dense locust]

With x being what

[tired haven]

luck

[dense locust]

Ah

[tired haven]

Usually luck determines the chance the game does a second roll to either reroll to take a better result, or worse one

[dense locust]

Huh

So at 1 luck would it basically be “2 rng checks taking the one that’s better?”

[tired haven]

Yeah

Although keep in mind, each chance affected by luck is handled differently so you basically will be unable to guess without consulting wiki first

There is fishing power one where it just straight up gives flat fishing power instead

[eternal escarp]

well
its possible, considering a decent chunk of people found Infernum DClops fun
its easier to do so, the earlier in game you are tbh

[tranquil perch]

@novel belfry btw, thought it was worth mentioning since it's what I do, you can use the teleporter glitch to stack crates

[dense ferry]

Deerclops leaves a bad taste in my mouth

Simply because I loathe the idea of it being a Boss

[golden sonnet]

Or just copy paste with cheat sheet

[eternal escarp]

i am happy it is a boss because i like it :)

and i can see it being decently fun with a few small changes

[tranquil perch]

My opinion on vanilla deerclops is that it's.... Fine I guess

But the shadow hands ruin it

[eternal escarp]

(mainly by changing the shadow hands)

[small timber]

the shadow hand just have to not spawn way too close to the player and it is fine

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[small timber]

I think this was my old fight? this is how I fight it

the tldr is the only thing ruining playing like this to be consistent and viable is because of the fact that the shadow hand can literally just spawn in front of you and hit you before you can react

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats how the boss goes pretty much

and i think its a really fun fight plan

[small timber]

basically if shadow hand spawn further away (or at least less directly in your face/in front of your movement) it is a lot more fine yeah

deerclops to me is like EOL: you don't really have to change it too much, just fix some specific problem

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[tranquil perch]

In multiplayer, vanilla spawning AI can cause this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789305808210100244/1055571643528925284/vlc-record-2022-12-22-16h44m12s-Terraria__Terrestrial_Trouble-.mp4

[small timber]

(not like you can change deerclops only "slightly" without reworking the entire fight)

[eternal escarp]

okay but sadly thats just MP

[dense locust]

Shadow hands are the only actively annoying part of the fight

[dense ferry]

Yeah, fair, I'm just not a fan of ON YOUR FACE crossovers

[drowsy plank]

betsy

[eternal escarp]

eh thats fair
but just imagine it was like, not a crossover, would you have thought the fight is mostly good?

[tranquil perch]

Like, idk, make the boss pattern longer? Make the attacks have more range? There's a decent bit you could do without just adding an extra constant projectile spawning in the fight

[dense ferry]

Old One's Army has more problems than just being on the nose tbh

[drowsy plank]

true

[tranquil perch]

hdfai

[dense ferry]

I have no idea because I have only fought it once and it was on Boss Rush

[eternal escarp]

h

[dense ferry]

Tho I wouldn't mind a Tundra Boss, yeah

[tranquil perch]

h

Meanwhile space and desert still have no bosses

[dense ferry]

I also think Deerclops' sprite is oddly unfitting for Terraria?

Like, yeah, crossover, but aside from the Ogre on OOA every enemy there seems more or less like a Terraria enemy

[eternal escarp]

i dont think i see it stand too much byeah thats mostly subjective probably

[dense ferry]

Yeah, it's probably because it's

[tranquil perch]

I think the deerclops sprite is fine, I guess it's just a different art standart because 11(12?) Year old game

[dense ferry]

Incredibly detailed and Terraria's sprites are really old

[tranquil perch]

Raven staff and imp staff still needs a resprite

[dense ferry]

True

[cobalt pewter]

haven't Terraria sprites been updated lately?

[tranquil perch]

Have you seen the new crimtane and hellstone bar sprites

[eternal escarp]

they have been respriting things lately havnt they
maybe

[cobalt pewter]

qb and golem were resprited

[tranquil perch]

And new blade of grass

[dense ferry]

A lot of them have yeah

[tranquil perch]

And new hornets

QB and golem erre long ago

[dense ferry]

Honestly how would you guys feel about

[tranquil perch]

Were*

[cobalt pewter]

hod damn

[dense ferry]

Eye being resprited?

[cobalt pewter]

i mean

if it's an improvement

why not

[dense ferry]

That one is definitely OLD

But it's really good looking, and Eye is THE Terraria Boss

[eternal escarp]

it wont go well because of its "iconic" look probably

but idc too much

[tranquil perch]

They said the eye is purposefully not being resprited to preserve them or something

[dense ferry]

But for the love of God Wall needs a resprite imo

[tranquil perch]

They I mean relogic

Or rather, crowno

[eternal escarp]

this is why we have texture packs ✨

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[random pasture]

True

[tranquil perch]

Wall's sprite is heavily based on EoC

[dense ferry]

Not really based when

It's essentially an edit

[swift wharf]

the fix for deerclops is to simply lock dst content to the dst seed

[tranquil perch]

The shape, the veins behind it, and the mouth are very obvious

WoF^

[eternal escarp]

ill lock you to the eclipse event huh how about that

[tranquil perch]

Rebecca have you seen overhaul's resprites

[small timber]

the design of deerclops feel very off compare to any other boss in the game

[dense ferry]

No

[dense ferry]

Yeah I think it's mostly the design

[small timber]

1. almost no other boss completely limit you in "range" that you can fight the boss, namely Deerclops straight up enrage/invincible if you are slightly far away
2. the whole "no despawn" thing
3. the entire fight is incredibly reaction based with the theme of shadow hand being the main threat which is not a norm to any other boss

[tranquil perch]

They improve the quality while keeping the shape, they're so good

https://images.app.goo.gl/HtTnvy6KQowVtNZe9 @dense ferry

Google images never embeds properly which is annoying

[dense ferry]

That's nice

[swift wharf]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[glass arch]

shadow hands try not to telefrag you every 5 seconds challenge (level impossible)

[cobalt pewter]

that sounds stupid

then again this is the same game that has Bloody Machete

why not just update eoc accordingly and

idk, make an official texture pack if you're so concerned about preserving the original sprites

[wide river]

I think Eye of Cthulhu has been the same sprite... maybe since its inception. At the very least it's been an incredibly similar sprite throughout its lifetime

[cobalt pewter]

no one's gonna rework eoc anyways

the texture pack will last Forever

[cobalt pewter]

[[tgc:Eye of Cthulhu]]

[red storm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Eye_of_Cthulhu

[quiet kernel]

What about they would resprite eoc and add like a og sprites config into vanilla idk