Yeah, I thought about that, it seems like a great idea
#suggestions-discussion
wide river
Could you suggest it?
I could make it in a moment, I'm doing some testing right now so you'll have to wait a bit
Of course anyone else can make it too, if I end up taking too long
buoyant idol
I’m not at home so I can’t rn
golden sonnet
I could do it otherwise, don't really care either way
buoyant idol
Yeah, I don’t need the credits
Perhaps add that it should be like fifty blocks thick
golden sonnet
Not sure entirely what all do add for reasoning, but hopefully that sounds good, feedback would be appreciated. If you get online and want to post it yourself I can delete it or whatever
buoyant idol
Reasons: Sunken sea lab is now actually in the sea. Adds areas for ruined city that used to be there. Mining area for sea prisms besides geodes.
Brb
I think that’s about it for reasoning besides that it would bring it inline with the crags and abyss in professional looks
gaunt tiger
ayo another "add back the phase transitions" post is in voting
based asf
I wonder how that's gonna go :)
wide river
Which one is that, again?
drowsy plank
wide river
Oh, that one
drowsy plank
i dont agree with most of their propositions but some phase transitions could use work or any indication at all tbf
i dont want the healing back tho
that was removed for a reason
gaunt tiger
darksun was the coolest stuff, I don't get the hate
wide river
darksun was the coolest stuff, I don't get the hate
I guess people didn't like killing a boss, only to see that they didn't actually kill them
gaunt tiger
it was unique, and made yharon a fan-favourite boss
drowsy plank
it's nothing that couldn't also be conveyed with a bit more cinematic version of the current phase transition
gaunt tiger
you lay down the pain, and then when yharon retreats, you get to gear up for a full to-the-death battle afterwards
drowsy plank
i thought you just meant the halfway heal, no that fucking sucked mega ass
it meant all of yharon's weapons had to be balanced to be good on... his own fight
which is just
super lame and confusing
gaunt tiger
well now what it leaves us with is like an entier weapon tier of useless bloat
which this mod already has a problem with
drowsy plank
idk what u mean i feel like the removal of darksun was handled perfectly fine
most of the weapons were simply split along DoG/Auric and DoG was already a problem without the handful of weapons obtained from Darksun's retiering
plus Darksun is going to be removed at some point anyway with the introduction of Distortion
gaunt tiger
distortion?
wide river
I kinda wish that Darksun stayed at a different tier compared to Endothermic Energy and Nightmare Fuel, just because getting access to five separate equipment sets after killing a single boss is just
Why
gaunt tiger
I kinda wish that Darksun stayed at a different tier compared to Endothermic Ene...
this
drowsy plank
they're all going to cease to exist soon enough
wide river
distortion?
A planned subworld, I don't think we have much other than "It's going to be connected to the Devourer of Gods"
gaunt tiger
what's distortion
drowsy plank
we also got that confirmation most of the buffed events will be moved to minibosses and other drops in said subworld biome
drowsy plank
well i already covered the fact that the darksun version is lame as hell because it ruins his drops by making his boss bag drop twice, but the heal itself just was not as interesting as you make it out to be? in literally any other game i feel like watching a boss refill its entire health, especially a fight as hard as yharon, would just piss most players off. having the health bar actually be indicative of your progress in the fight makes way more sense, and you can absolutely still have something as dramatic as the heal with something that not only looks better, but is functionally cooler. the actual vfx for the heal were really mediocre, and it just made yharon immortal for like 10 seconds while he still continued attacking and brought his health back to full. any damage you did during the heal was ignored too because he always went to full, so you just had to sit there and wait for a bit
fervent orbit
didnt fab have a statement saying they hated fake out deaths
drowsy plank
yes!
fervent orbit
i thought i screenshotted it
gaunt tiger
it's not a fakeout, it happens at 10%
fervent orbit
...
i dont see the difference
10% is really short, especially since yharon is killing himself too
gaunt tiger
when the game had darksun, which we should probably move on from (cos it's a different topic) the player was acutely aware that something about the fight would change, in round 2
drowsy plank
whether it happens at 0%, 1%, or 10% it doesn't change the fact that the fight seemingly throws away all of your progress uh...
Cause 
gaunt tiger
he's also phoenix inspired, so it makes sense
it gives the wonderful song time to start up
wide river
I can understand killing a boss, then getting a cutscene that transitions to the next phase with a boss checkpoint, but I feel like the boss healing back to full is a bit mean
Unfortunately, the better option of cutscenes that give a checkpoint aren't really an option in a game like Terraria
drowsy plank
i dont mind if he has a transition that serves the same purpose but the heal and the way it was implemented was atrocious
fervent orbit
a phoenix cant heal itself to full from near death
it has to die first
and be reborn
drowsy plank
which is covered in part of the lore anyway 👍
gaunt tiger
if he dropped to 0 and then there was a transitional cutscene it would serve the same purpose, to me
drowsy plank
I can understand killing a boss, then getting a cutscene that transitions to the...
also this isn't necessarily true, infernum does it just fine
gaunt tiger
let the boss heal back up
wide river
also this isn't necessarily true, infernum does it just fine
Does it save how far the player got in a boss fight, and then set it back to that point when the player fights the boss again?
gaunt tiger
take away his attacks while he heals!
let him be invulnerable idc
fervent orbit
Does it save how far the player got in a boss fight, and then set it back to tha...
catalyst does this
fervent orbit
yes, astrageldon has a checkpoint at phase 2
drowsy plank
i just meant that we can pause the fight and pan to yharon for it, not that it would save your progress in the fight
because i still dont like rematch or heal
fervent orbit
perhaps checkpoint wasnt the best word for it
gaunt tiger
I mean
I don't really understand why having 2000% more hp is any different from healing
gaunt tiger
once you know that he heals, you can just use your brain
fervent orbit
"oh you thought i died? lmao"
gaunt tiger
"oh you thought i died? lmao"
that's the point, that's why it's cool, it was iconic as fuck
drowsy plank
the heal was atrocious for new players and predictably was a sore of ire for both them and fab
fervent orbit
*that's the point, that's why it's cool, it was iconic as fuck*
idk wat world u live in
drowsy plank
i mean you just weren't looking in the right places lol
fervent orbit
ive never seen a "fake out death" be executed well
and yharon was defenitely not a good one
(man stands there for 10 seconds doing nothing how is that well executed at all)
gaunt tiger
the only argument I've heard, and it doesn't satisfy me, is that it doesn't display the player's progress
drowsy plank
behold!
the yharon revive
(he turns rainbow)
(that's it that's the whole effect)
gaunt tiger
take away his attacks, and make an actual animation
drowsy plank
you can do that still without reimplementing the heal
gaunt tiger
omg I had the best idea
what about a toggle in settings
by default, it is as it is now
but if you toggle it, the boss drops to zero and then heals up during the transition
drowsy plank
t o g g l e s 
fervent orbit
its a cheap tactic that only serves to "surprise" the player once, and fogs the border between how close the player was to defeating the boss
drowsy plank
mods already exist to reimplement the heal
gaunt tiger
its a cheap tactic that only serves to "surprise" the player once, and fogs the ...
it's thematic
it's cool
it is hype asf
wide river
Hmm
Configs are generally discouraged, and a config that reverts a change is also kinda against a rule
fervent orbit
i alr explained how its not thematic
drowsy plank
we also know it takes nearly a decade for yharon to actually revive in lore so
fervent orbit
i dont understand how its "cool" when the experience can only be lived once
how is it hype?
gaunt tiger
have you not played a character action game
wide river
i dont understand how its "cool" when the experience can only be lived once
how ...
Things can be cool after a first encounter
Especially if done well
gaunt tiger
bosses heal up to full all the time
sometimes each phase has its own hp bar, even
drowsy plank
you wanna know what my usual reaction is to a boss fuckin turbo healing itself right when i think ive beaten it? a fuckin groan
fervent orbit
Things can be cool after a first encounter
Especially if done *well*
yes. yharon wasnt one of them
fervent orbit
bosses heal up to full all the time
sometimes each phase has its own hp bar, eve...
that isnt an excuse to add it back in to yharon
glass arch
bosses rehealing is just
a slap in the face
gaunt tiger
you wanna know what my usual reaction is to a boss fuckin turbo healing itself r...
is it any different from having to memorise health gates for bosses phasing
I'd argue it's WAY worse
glass arch
bosses rehealing is just
a slap in the face
or multiple health bars
drowsy plank
YES BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW HOW FAR YOU HAVE PROGRESSED IN THE FIGHT
WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE BAR
glass arch
is it any different from having to memorise health gates for bosses phasing
ok imagine this
drowsy plank
ive said this like 5 times please dont keep going in circles on this point
gaunt tiger
but if I don't know what phase I'm in, how do I know how far I've gone
drowsy plank
i cant argue that you can find it cool, but the whole point of the bar is to indicate your progress on the fight
gaunt tiger
if there are 3 phases, I'd rather know what phase I'm in than how much hp the boss has left
drowsy plank
which is inarguable
gaunt tiger
i cant argue that you can find it cool, but the whole point of the bar is to ind...
then why are health gates a thing but not displayed to the player
fervent orbit
if there are 3 phases, I'd rather know what phase I'm in than how much hp the bo...
better idea. phase transitions/cutscenes
not a stupid revive gimmick
glass arch
ok imagine this
scal, but each bullet hell begins at her hp bar ending and she reheals to full during each one
fervent orbit
better idea. phase transitions/cutscenes
heck, dog ALREADY DOES THIS
gaunt tiger
scal, but each bullet hell begins at her hp bar ending and she reheals to full d...
that would be SUPER helpful
glass arch
that would be SUPER helpful
it would not
gaunt tiger
I am an avid kingdom hearts enjoyer
dense ferry
It wouldn't
gaunt tiger
bosses have like 10 health bars in the endgame
dense ferry
Ok, this isn't Kingdom Hearts
dense ferry
Also you are forgetting
gaunt tiger
ok but this isn't chess
you don't need to telegraph literally everything
dense ferry
The part where the health bar is still shown
glass arch
it would not
because the first time playing, or hell even after that, theres no telling when the boss fight actually ends
gaunt tiger
add health gates to the health bar then
that'd be really cool
that suggestion was in voting like 9 months ago what happened to that
glass arch
because the first time playing, or hell even after that, theres no telling when ...
as far as you know if you only make it to bullet hell 3, scal is just gonna keep reviving until you die
drowsy plank
full bar heals just made terraria even more of a wiki game than it already was
glass arch
rehealing bosses are not good game design
gaunt tiger
rehealing bosses are not good game design
man talks about game design
glass arch
that is what this discussion is about, yes
wide river
The whole conversation is about boss healing
This is part of game design
glass arch
the way you deal with phases and phase transitions is inherently game design
dense ferry
You know what's cooler? When you get to 60% and instead of Yharon progressing to his next subphase, the entire song changes and you are left wondering what the fuck is about to go down for that transition to come
fervent orbit
say, cog mentioned someone recreated yharon revive as a seperate mod right? wat if i just take the code and make it for every subphase
see how good that looks
drowsy plank
LOL
dense ferry
Not a 90% heal that makes you explode because you thought you were about to kill the Boss
drowsy plank
ehhh
swift wharf
and make it only happen ONCE and never again after you get after that phase
glass arch
rehealing bosses can be good
if its only once
swift wharf
:precisely:
gaunt tiger
Not a 90% heal that makes you explode because you thought you were about to kill...
in the context of darksun existing it made sense
and yeah
only once
drowsy plank
well it sure is a good thing darksun is gonna die
glass arch
darksun is also
not post yharon anymore
dense ferry
Yeah, Darksun doesn't exist anymore 
wide river
and make it only happen ONCE and never again after you get after that phase
^
Either just make it start from that heal point, or remove the heal entirely from subsequent fights for one long fight
drowsy plank
tbh reimplementing yharon heal just kinda feels like sentinel phase
dense ferry
Yeah
drowsy plank
it's weird and obtuse and just kind bloats the fight with more mechanics
gaunt tiger
sentinel phase would be good, if the sentinel fights didn't suck ass
dense ferry
Sentinel Phase 🤢
gaunt tiger
eclipse gets me
dense ferry
sentinel phase would be good, if the sentinel fights didn't suck ass
Yes, fight three other Bosses in the middle of the other Boss fight
fervent orbit
i need to find that yharon revive mod
swift wharf
golden sonnet
Sentinels phase was good only because it means nonstop mix exists
glass arch
even if a suggestion to re-add yharons regen had actually good reasoning, its a reversion suggestion and will be
IMMEDIATELY shot down
drowsy plank
yeah but you see as long as they continued to be minibosses for DoG they were always going to be restrained by needing to be hard enough to exist on their own, but easy enough to still be easily butchered in DoG's fight
swift wharf
like you can make any feature GOOD if you implement it correctly
drowsy plank
which kills like half of their own originality
gaunt tiger
infernum already clowns on revengeance anyway, so
dense ferry
Oh God
drowsy plank
because they get reduced to boss minions
dense ferry
The good ol' "Infernum is better it has shaders"
swift wharf
this is like
gaunt tiger
I mean, I prefer some features of infernum, and it might be worth discussing why some people prefer infernum no?
swift wharf
stupid because cal first phase got removed because "fakeout bad" instead of "the AI fucking sucks"
errant inlet
The Exo Mechs have a lot of really well made SFX that goes to waste cause the fight is so damn loud. Couldn't the volume be reworked so that those sounds (Exo Twins Target Lock, Blender Beam and T-Hanos Beam) become more prominent and add to the atmosphere of the fight?
fervent orbit
i like infernum because of qol
bright crag
So uh, the Yharon heal isn't coming back most likely
fervent orbit
errant inlet
Like half the time its just metal tunk tunk tunk tunk tunk
Can't hear shit
That or exploding projectiles
dense ferry
The Exo Mechs have a lot of really well made SFX that goes to waste cause the fi...
You can EASILY hear the blender
random pasture
Supreme metal noise
errant inlet
You can EASILY hear the blender
Exo Twins target lock?
fervent orbit
Like half the time its just metal tunk tunk tunk tunk tunk
sounds like the hurt sound is too high
drowsy plank
terraria hitsounds when th-BWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAH
gaunt tiger
stupid because cal first phase got removed because "fakeout bad" instead of "the...
wym
swift wharf
yharon heal was so zased and makes more sense now because dragon of rebirth but that is not coming back ever with a proper implementation because we cant have good things
dense ferry
Also if you want to listen to everything in the Exo Mechs fight good fucking luck lmao
golden sonnet
terraria hitsounds when th-BWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAH
Old ones army is one of the events of all time
wide river
terraria hitsounds when th-BWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAHBWAH
Terraria hit sounds when fleshy hit sounds
drowsy plank
LOL
dense ferry
yharon heal was so zased and makes more sense now because dragon of rebirth but ...
Rebirth =/= Regeneration
swift wharf
aureus when aughaugauguaguagh
errant inlet
The point is to make the sounds more prominent
gaunt tiger
yharon heal was so zased and makes more sense now because dragon of rebirth but ...
yeah ik, that's how this discussion started lol
dense ferry
You need to die to be rebirth
random pasture
Gotta say
glass arch
turn it into a fakeout
die
swift wharf
😈
glass arch
how about that instead
dense ferry
My brother in Christ I will kill you
gaunt tiger
I saw a post in voting asking for it to come back, and was making a joke that it never would
dense ferry
gaunt tiger
eclipse vased
swift wharf
cuz like old revive was
dense ferry
Fakeouts make me want to explode
random pasture
Not standing still
drowsy plank
he was just rainbow
swift wharf
EVEN WROSE
drowsy plank
💥
random pasture
He still attacked
gaunt tiger
everyone in this discord has severe autism about bosses healing themselves
swift wharf
radiant jaron
dense ferry
"Haha you thought the fight would end in a really bad shitty ripoff of another Boss actually here is the actual Boss"
swift wharf
ultrakill ref-
bright crag
yharon heal was so zased and makes more sense now because dragon of rebirth but ...
I liked the heal too
But oh well
dense ferry
everyone in this discord has severe autism about bosses healing themselves
Shut the fuck up
swift wharf
like just make the animation GOOD it's not hard.......
random pasture
You just had to twiddle your thumbs and dodge while he was invincible until you were allowed to keep playing the game
gaunt tiger
everyone in this discord has severe autism about bosses healing themselves
especially me
swift wharf
well just give it an actual animation
dense ferry
Use that term again and I will explode you
drowsy plank
i would trade a bajillion rehealing phases for 1 good actual animation
gaunt tiger
I have autism
swift wharf
THAT IS MY ENTIRE POINT
drowsy plank
and an actually good animation doesnt need rehealing
dense ferry
Cool, I (probably) have too, that's not an excuse
swift wharf
the problem isn't the phase or game design it's the fact that the mod poorly implements everything
drowsy plank
so we just dont readd it
swift wharf
and an actually good animation doesnt need rehealing
ok BASED
dense ferry
and an actually good animation doesnt need rehealing
True
hollow ridge
I love the way whenever there's a 10 or more min old sugg, all the talking has gone from the sugg, to the most random shit
bright crag
I've noticed that both some devs and some people really don't like the idea of a boss healing
As if that wasn't enough to halt the idea, Fab is one of the devs that don't like it
drowsy plank
I love the way whenever there's a 10 or more min old sugg, all the talking has g...
so true!
swift wharf
but the sheer horror of watching the bar refill is lowkey poggers
gaunt tiger
imagine an animation where the boss becomes cloaked in flames, and then burns off some red feathers to get its funky rainbow feather wings
sprite change!
bright crag
but the sheer horror of watching the bar refill is lowkey poggers
I mean, I agree
But that's just me
glass arch
imagine an animation where the boss becomes cloaked in flames, and then burns of...
dragon god yharon
(no)
swift wharf
GRAND yharon
glass arch
SUPREME yharon
bright crag
I think we definitely need better animations
glass arch
got the drip
swift wharf
that will happen in never² because yharon sprite is never happening in never¹
random pasture
I mean I guess its more so because you dont expect a terraria boss to do that or smth
drowsy plank
i think when yharon finally gets his resprite it would be very funny if for the first update it exists in the first half of the fight is with his original sprite and the second half is with the new one, and then it just gets switched to only the new sprite next patch
swift wharf
i mean youre playing a mod...... that modifies the game......
gaunt tiger
unexpected things can be fun
dense ferry
Not when the unexpected thing is a kick on the balls
bright crag
And I wish Yharon also got cooler visuals for p2
Something that indicated him using his power to the extreme
gaunt tiger
Not when the unexpected thing is a kick on the balls
me when the difficulty mod...... makes the game more difficult....... it's unfair?
random pasture
Most souls games have bosses with 2 health bars and no one cares so idk
swift wharf
but but but but it's terarria !! !! !
drowsy plank
actually
random pasture
Bad implementation go brrrr
swift wharf
(you can only modify some parts of the game)
drowsy plank
id be fine if it was just like pillar shield
glass arch
And I wish Yharon also got cooler visuals for p2
***Something*** that indicated...
yharon gets a rainbow outline in phase 2 (so cool)
dense ferry
me when the difficulty mod...... makes the game more difficult....... it's unfai...
1 - Calamity isn't the "difficulty mod"
2 - Yeah it is
drowsy plank
if yharon actually had two health bars stacked on top of each other i would be okay with that
gaunt tiger
1 - Calamity isn't the "difficulty mod"
2 - Yeah it is
revengeance
L+R
dense ferry
If the Boss literally just explodes without warning and instakills you, it's unfair
swift wharf
i mean tbf cal adds more difficulties than the average content mod
gaunt tiger
if yharon actually had two health bars stacked on top of each other i would be o...
like in kingdomheart
drowsy plank
sure
dense ferry
i mean tbf cal adds more difficulties than the average content mod
The average Mod adds none
random pasture
A second health bar doesn't instakill you
dense ferry
if yharon actually had two health bars stacked on top of each other i would be o...
I can go with that yeah
random pasture
Which really is all a regen is
drowsy plank
because if it was like pillar bar, it doesn't hide any information from you
swift wharf
recipe browser maniac mode
random pasture
Just presented differently
drowsy plank
you KNOW there's more to the fight, you just aren't sure what it's going to be
glass arch
if yharon actually had two health bars stacked on top of each other i would be o...
yeah this is the one good way to implement that
fervent orbit
because if it was like pillar bar, it doesn't hide any information from you
if anything, it actively tells you theres going to be MORE to the fight
gaunt tiger
like in kingdom hearts 1
Like I said earlier would be cool
: )
drowsy plank
i think the dread of seeing a boss with a pillar shield that doesn't just instantly get shredded like anahita's would arguably be worse than the reheal in terms of "oh fuck" moments
fervent orbit
honestly, i think damaging yharon for the first time, and seeing a 2nd hp bar underneeth would be more terrifying than some lame ass, invincible, STILL ATTACKING, yharon healing slowly
dense ferry
However comes the question of
glass arch
how do they implement that with the cal boss bars
swift wharf
honestly, i think damaging yharon for the first time, and seeing a 2nd hp bar un...
this is not an issue with regen this is an issue with shitty implementation
drowsy plank
cal health bars need work anyway tbh
dense ferry
You know, if they don't make Yharim have the 200% Boss Health Bar I will fucking explode
drowsy plank
lmao
gaunt tiger
how do they implement that with the cal boss bars
kingdom hearts 1, please
random pasture
That would be funny
swift wharf
standing there
bright crag
We should add the Soulchugger difficulty mode where every boss is a dragon but you can learn how to absorb a Soul post-Yharon
random pasture
I mean pillars bar exists
drowsy plank
wowie zowie
glass arch
kingdom hearts 1, please
i do not play kingdom hearts
swift wharf
🧍♂️
gaunt tiger
google it rq ^^
dense ferry
So if they want to save the double health bar solely for Yharim then that idea kind of falls flat
And I am
Without a single shred of doubt on the side of keeping Yharim's eventual uniqueness
drowsy plank
understandable
bright crag
Yharim will have 200%
So his health won't be replenished without warning
glass arch
Without a single shred of doubt on the side of keeping Yharim's eventual uniquen...
give yharim 3 HEALTH BARS instead of just 2!
dense ferry
Bro genuinely if Yharim doesn't have the 200% I would CRY
random pasture
Senator Yharim
bright crag
Because the alleged main issue with regen phases is how the boss suddenly gets a new HP bar out of nowhere
fervent orbit
im thinking if its possible of phrasing a suggestion for this double hp bar without making it sound like "i just want revive back"
glass arch
Because the alleged main issue with regen phases is how the boss suddenly gets a...
thats one of the reasons i hate emode mutant
dense ferry
Because the alleged main issue with regen phases is how the boss suddenly gets a...
I really dislike that, unless it's a From Software Boss
wide river
im thinking if its possible of phrasing a suggestion for this double hp bar with...
I don't think it's feasible at all
swift wharf
boss regenerated? just keep fighting it......
random pasture
The reason its fine in fromsoft games is because
glass arch
thats one of the reasons i hate emode mutant
because not only do you have to take out phase 1, you have to do it 10 different times just to start in phase 2
drowsy plank
i know there's discussion about keeping yharim unique, but much like how i personally want the sentinels to do what the guardians do right now and help actually teach about the fight they are a precursor towards, i think yharon showing off the 200% mechanic before yharim would be the most thematic you could possibly do it considering how intertwined the two are
wide river
Instantly deduce when their Bosses have two phases <:HDfailure:48226367815077072...
Ornstein and Smough, anyone?
glass arch
because not only do you have to take out phase 1, you have to do it **10 differe...
and it fully reheals going into phase 2
fervent orbit
honestly i think a revive for every subphase was the best idea i had ngl
bright crag
My only experience is with Terraria so
DoG's heal was kinda lame when it existed, especially him healing doesn't really make sense...?
But I loved Yharon's heal phase
drowsy plank
💀
glass arch
i know there's discussion about keeping yharim unique, but much like how i *pers...
maybe giving yharon 150% rather than 200%
drowsy plank
maybe giving yharon 150% rather than 200%
id be fine with that tbh tbh
dense ferry
maybe giving yharon 150% rather than 200%
Give Yharon 75%
wide river
honestly i think a revive for every subphase was the best idea i had ngl
Make King Slime have a revive when the Gem comes out
drowsy plank
dense ferry
Give the Boss revives for every digit of HP they lose
fervent orbit
how many ssubphases does yharon have again?
glass arch
Give the Boss revives for every digit of HP they lose
how about i kill you instead how does that sound
bright crag
how many ssubphases does yharon have again?
7
glass arch
how many ssubphases does yharon have again?
6 in expert, 7 in rev+
bright crag
5 in Death iirc
swift wharf
remove health bars and give the player a timer
wide river
Give the Boss revives for every digit of HP they lose
1 hp health bars for every single hp
Devourer of Gods having 1.7 million revives
glass arch
oh yeah yharon does skip the first 2 in death
drowsy plank
yharon needs to be killed within a certain amount of time or he insta kills you 
fervent orbit
remove health bars and give the player a timer
just give every weapon perfect homing (so its basically a bullet hell at this point)
glass arch
yharon needs to be killed within a certain amount of time or he insta kills you ...
timed agression
wide river
yharon needs to be killed within a certain amount of time or he insta kills you ...
That sounds familiar
glass arch
wait no this is
bright crag
Remove weapons and make bosses lose x% of their health every x seconds
glass arch
literally just skeletron/sprime
glass arch
Remove weapons and make bosses lose `x%` of their health every `x` seconds
i had a genuine idea to make this a mod at some point
shame i cant code
random pasture
Fromsoft game bosses pretty much always have 2 phases
bright crag
Relatable
fervent orbit
Remove weapons and make bosses lose `x%` of their health every `x` seconds
this sounds like a good idea
too bad im an idiot
wide river
i had a genuine idea to make this a mod at some point
Lemme put it in my mod doc
I'll consider the idea
random pasture
So its not really surprising or anything when they have 2 healthbars
Its more surprising when they dont really
And just die as a 1 phase boss
fervent orbit
i really should learn how to actually do terraria modding
because i have actual ideas
drowsy plank
fervent orbit
but i have no idea wat im doing
glass arch
i had a genuine idea to make this a mod at some point
well not the remove weapons part, just the make bosses lose x% of hp every x seconds part, while making bosses invulnerable to other damage sources
fervent orbit
someones been cooking a while
random pasture
Remove weapons and make bosses lose `x%` of their health every `x` seconds
So 1.3 summoner
glass arch
enjoy yourself in your ultrakilling
wide river
Lemme put it in my mod doc
I'll consider the idea
There, it's in the doc
I've blacked out several of the ideas because they're kinda a private idea right now
bright crag
because i have actual ideas
Same
I can cook
But I can't code 😢 and it kinda sucks
glass arch
i tried to learn how to code once
looked at the thing for about 5 minutes and understood
absolutely nothing
fervent orbit
fuck
i should be working on my mod that deletes uelibloom
but uhm
idk wat to do next
i guess renaming some of the items
since ik how to do that
uhm
what would u guys suggest biofusillade be renamed as if it were made of divine geodes instead?
im gonna ask cmt too biggest mistake of my life incoming
wide river
what would u guys suggest biofusillade be renamed as if it were made of divine g...
Geofusillade
drowsy plank
how about you just delete it 
drowsy plank
C#
fervent orbit
Just watch the 12 hour course on how to learn python
those arent good at all
drowsy plank
terraria is in C#
glass arch
Just watch the 12 hour course on how to learn python
i may have enough time to do that but i do not have the patience for it
bright crag
what would u guys suggest biofusillade be renamed as if it were made of divine g...
Embers of Purity
fervent orbit
cool
wide river
I've been wondering about what would happen if Uelibloom was gone
Alas, I can't make any advances towards that idea until I see what the supposed retheme is
fervent orbit
I've been wondering about what would happen if Uelibloom was gone
Alas, I can't ...
im just replacing all of uelibloom with divine geodes
wide river
Not even replacing it, just removing it entirely
distant gyro
Remove weapons and make bosses lose `x%` of their health every `x` seconds
if you spin this enough the boss health bar is an autoscrolling game level progress bar
sounds like fun
fervent orbit
YES IT WORKED
problem: it still looks like a uelibloom weapon
problem 2: i have no idea how to change sprites
swift wharf
remove the uelibloom gear
fervent orbit
no im retheming it to divine geodes
wide river
if you spin this enough the boss health bar is an autoscrolling game level progr...
I just got a really cool idea regarding that, although I don't know how practical it'd be
I'm going to save it in my doc, but I won't be sharing it. I want to keep some of my ideas private
fervent orbit
ok im gonna go eat dinner for now bye
wide river
ok im gonna go eat dinner for now bye
👋
distant gyro
problem 2: i have no idea how to change sprites
tried and true
drowsy plank
@dawn adder have you tried just
not using death mode
also yes the immunity items not having benefits for every class is kind of the point
also i think the minion slots on ESA are dying anyway so
like death makes debuffs deal 1.5x damage so
idk
might just be the difficulty mode being
difficult
dawn adder
i'm aware but my personal issue with this is that rev mode attack patterns are too easy but death mode attacks individually are too punishing
glass arch
also yes the immunity items not having benefits for every class is kind of the p...
the slots on ESA are already dead
drowsy plank
holy ray doesn't inflict any debuffs too
glass arch
it has one
drowsy plank
lmao so there are plenty of inaccuracies here
dawn adder
holy ray doesn't inflict any debuffs too
nuh uh
drowsy plank
im reading provi's wiki page and she only inflicts folly and inferno is distance based
oh
why is that not on her actual page
glass arch
are you sure thats not just the debuff page being outdated?
drowsy plank
honestly a possibly more realistic scenario
Shade is here tho so idk maybe they know
distant gyro
it's not on because there's too many debuffs on the infobox to display
glass arch
last holy ray change was in
wow 2019
drowsy plank
but she only inflicts 2? and that's no reason that it shouldn't've be mentioned in the text of her AI description like how DoG's page mentions his attacks inflicting GSI
glass arch
anyways ye items that provide immunity to debuffs shouldnt always benefit every class
the debuff immunity on its own is a benefit for every class
shade is cooking rn
drowsy plank
oh i see it now. moonlight's nightwither is included which makes it 4
why tf are holy inferno and holy flames even different debuffs..,.,.,.,
grim tusk
First paragraph: just an introduction, noting to argue against
Second paragraph: Big attack ofc is supposed to be punishing no shit. Altho 10 seconds surely may be overkill and you could have argued that better.
Third paragraph: CShell’s stat stick nature still is useful, also outdated ESA
Last paragraph: this section literally kills the sugg. Harder difficulty is intended to be hard mkay, also “dont get hit” 
theres stats called defense, DR and the debuff immunity you just mentioned. If its too hard tone down the difficulty, the game should not just adjust itself to you. If the paragraph ended at reasonable then the sugg would have been golden but you then just proceeded to rant.
dawn adder
different purposes ig
grim tusk
why tf are holy inferno and holy flames even different debuffs..,.,.,.,
Holy inferno is the getting far away debuff
The other is just a small DoT
drowsy plank
okay i see now and honestly im tempted to just
split provi's info boxes into two like empress
that way the debuffs could display correctly
plus the damage values are different(?) along with the debuff
glass arch
should i ping noob about the cooking
random pasture
The issue isnt death mode debuffs as a whole, just that a few debuffs specifically are overtuned
dawn adder
should i ping noob about the cooking
if you're referring to me i'm still here, just recovering
glass arch
nah i was talking about pinging someone else
dawn adder
ah
random pasture
The big one people constantly bring up is Aquatic Scourge toxic clouds, which are just supposed to be regular arena hazards, inflict 3 different debuffs including acid venom which does 45 dps in death mode for 4 seconds
distant gyro
most dot debuffs are highly powerful
random pasture
Thats not a death mode issue, thats an Aquatic Scourge issue
distant gyro
this is not an exception to calamity
in fact hardmode vanilla debuffs are absolutely unhinged
grim tusk
“The only solution to these debuffs becomes not getting hit- advice you are not allowed to give in the help/advice channel. The presence of adrenaline and defense damage is enough to discourage tanking”
This part needs to die
distant gyro
not just that
distant gyro
acid venom isn't very common in your every day run, but you know what is
spazmatism's cursed flame ball
glass arch
The big one people constantly bring up is Aquatic Scourge toxic clouds, which ar...
acid venom isnt 45 dps to players
distant gyro
12dot for 8 seconds
random pasture
It is in death mode
glass arch
no
random pasture
It is 30 base, death mode increases it to 45
distant gyro
15 in rev, 21 in death
gaunt tiger
“The only solution to these debuffs becomes not getting hit- advice you are not ...
what why?
DoTs are excessive
grim tusk
Yes and the rest of the sugg argues that very well
random pasture
Ah so its already nerfed
grim tusk
But there it just became ranting
random pasture
Its -30 in vanilla
gaunt tiger
But there it just became ranting
a conclusion to the argument isn't a rant
glass arch
grim tusk
a conclusion to the argument isn't a rant
Read it again
The last paragraph of the sugg
gaunt tiger
I was saying that to me it reads as a conclusion, not a rant
glass arch
the conclusion part of it is literally just I believe that the duration of DoT debuffs as well as the damage they deal should be reduced.
grim tusk
the conclusion part of it is literally just ``I believe that the duration of DoT...
Yea that part could stay of that section
But then theres the “dont get hit” sentence
gaunt tiger
that's how you make it compelling
ppl need to vote for it
glass arch
everything else shade posted does nothing to further the conclusional purpose that section has
gaunt tiger
¯_(ツ)_/¯
random pasture
It doesnt say -15 on player anywhere except the changelogs
dawn adder
Is that part wrong?
random pasture
It only says -30 when explaining what the debuff does
glass arch
It only says -30 when explaining what the debuff does
no, it says -15 too
glass arch
-30 when inflicted on enemies, and -15 when inflicted on players
dawn adder
I checked the pins in #help-advice-read-pins, you aren't allowed to say that as advice
grim tusk
Yes but that part of the sugg is ranting and hurts your suggestion
gaunt tiger
I believe shade is taking issue with you editorialising?
yeah
to me that makes the suggestion more compelling but I ain't a dev so don't listen to me lol
that's not sarcasm
you need to convince the devs as well as ppl who vote
random pasture
Fandom (Terraria) moment
grim tusk
You have 2 very good arguments and then theres that which weights the sugg down
dawn adder
I don't know. When the current solution to what I feel is a problem with the mod (which is what suggestions are for addressing) is something you aren't allowed to say, I feel it's worth pointing out.
hollow shell
split provi's info boxes into two like empress
((Provvy does not have two phases that her debuffs are split among, so that wouldn't do anything
Empress doesn't have a 4 debuff problem that's resolved with the infobox split either))
((I brought it up in wiki-basic))
gaunt tiger
equally, shade, I don't think you're right
gamefeel is important, and sometimes that can be best explained using an emotional appeal
grim tusk
Theres far better ways to explain with emotional appeal
Such as “it feels very unfair that you need to try very hard to avoid attacks to not suffer the debuffs”
dawn adder
But then I would have to explain why it feels that way, yes? And that is what I am doing
gaunt tiger
he do be explaining why there's no counterplay other than "just don't get hit LOL" which is a reply I've gotten from devs sometimes
or it might've been mods
idk
grim tusk
Im trying to help the sugg pass, if that part stays as it is rn, it will hurt it on dev and likely will on voting too
glass arch
you can explain it with "Not only are you hit with an extremely punishing attack on its own, you are also hit with potentially several hundred extra damage of debuffs."
glass arch
then why do you need to expain the exact same thing again
grim tusk
So not only that part is informal but also redundant
dawn adder
I don't. that's why I'm saying something else
gaunt tiger
yeah it doesn't scan very well on a re-read
distant gyro
it's a bit long all things considered
distant gyro
that is if the argument is clear
which seeing from this discussion is apparently not
dawn adder
I am considering all advice being given, but I feel the focus on this one sentence isn't helpful
gaunt tiger
The only solution to surviving these debuffs becomes not getting hit- which demonstrates perfectly that they punish the player unnecessarily. It is for these reasons that I believe that the duration of DoT debuffs as well as the damage they deal should be reduced.
how bout dis
grim tusk
The suggestion needs:
Minor fixes on the third paragraph, perhaps some more elaboration to make accessories not must picks
Last paragraph be made more formal and less rant-y
gaunt tiger
concise and to the point
grim tusk
> The only solution to surviving these debuffs becomes not getting hit- which de...
Yes this looks very good
fervent orbit
should i ping noob about the cooking
- i have notification off for calclord, so if u pinged me, i wouldnt get a phone notification
- i didnt have my phone with me lmao
glass arch
1. i have notification off for calclord, so if u pinged me, i wouldnt get a phon...
well the cookening happened so
gaunt tiger
for the third paragraph I'd rephrase it to be about "accessory tax"
distant gyro
the most important question and answer to me is regarding debuff mitigation itself
dawn adder
Yes this looks very good
This is helpful. Thank you both. Should I delete it and repost when I have it rewritten?
wait we're still talking
gaunt tiger
accessory tax is how I view that stuff
"if you're bad at the fight, lose 1 accessory slot"
which makes me cry irl
distant gyro
everything else you can do whatever
gaunt tiger
I think as well, aren't most lategame debuffs impossible to mitigate until after you clear the tier they're useful for
like godslayer and holy inferno
dawn adder
Holy inferno makes sense
drowsy plank
holy you have the shell
dawn adder
that's part of the attack
distant gyro
"if you're bad at the fight, lose 1 accessory slot"
well, you're clearly not losing an accessory slot if you're using it for an important purpose
drowsy plank
shell is dumb
glass arch
you never get immunity to holy inferno
drowsy plank
but yeah GSI immunity is post DoG
fervent orbit
do you mean holy flames
gaunt tiger
I might, noob
dawn adder
holy flames is the one that's part of what i see as a larger problem
fervent orbit
and gsd is one boss and one boss only
distant gyro
this is the part that is rather confusing to me
glass arch
cshell line gives immunity to holy flames, as we as elysian aegis and upgrades
grim tusk
This is helpful. Thank you both. Should I delete it and repost when I have it re...
No, just edit the suggestion
gaunt tiger
then it becomes about accessory tax
which is an interesting point of discussion
some classes don't really have the slot to spare
drowsy plank
this is why GSI should be reworked to a general distortion debuff and then it could be on the sentinels AND DoG
distant gyro
the suggestion makes a mention of how classes demand those accessories but isn't debuff mitigation defensive
drowsy plank
and you could realisitically get immunity before DoG
distant gyro
at that point, are you really asking for defensive accessories to give class effects too? or
north oracle
debuffs annoy me
gaunt tiger
defensive accessories feel weird to me post ml
because if you put on an offensive instead, the fight takes less time and so you'll get hit less
QED
😛
drowsy plank
L take, rampart exists
glass arch
some classes (summoner and rogue) cant really afford to use an additional accessory to give immunity while the others are either already using it or dont have an issue using it (melee ranged and mage)
north oracle
MPG would like to speak to you
distant gyro
like absorber isn't suddenly going to give you 10% damage that's not the point of the accesory
gaunt tiger
yooo, maybe this can be a use for the spirit glyph line
fervent orbit
no
drowsy plank
huh
gaunt tiger
(I am coping)
drowsy plank
spirit glyph line is already busted
fervent orbit
bulwark:
drowsy plank
no you just have a bad mentality towards non-offensive accessories
most of cal community did
north oracle
so true
drowsy plank
then MPG tanked blender and people realized defense isn't actually that bad
fervent orbit
most of cal community did
do*
glass arch
most of cal community did
most of the cal community still does
fervent orbit
most still do
drowsy plank
true
glass arch
its just a larger portion than before that dont
north oracle
i may not especially like defence, but i always knew how good it was from my first ever melee pt where i abused the fuck out of bloodflare core lmfao
distant gyro
in fact nerfing dots themselves kinda favor going offense
distant gyro
or nerfing heavy damage in general
distant gyro
if nothing hits hard at base value then what is the point of going tank if you're not dying
drowsy plank
no you just have a bad mentality towards non-offensive accessories <:HDfailure:4...
where's xpc with the fuckin image
glass arch
i almost facetanked infernum polterghast as summoner, probably could have if i did a bit more minmaxing
drowsy plank
you know the one
glass arch
distant gyro
things in calamity hit hard and defensive accessories are broken TO encourage tank
drowsy plank
thank you
north oracle
imagine not going full menacing
distant gyro
and people spin it the other way that "well tank accessories don't exist therefore your only playstyle is to not get hit"
gaunt tiger
oh hey I remember that meme
it's a good one
distant gyro
like the elephant in the room is missed
drowsy plank
yeah
north oracle
and people spin it the other way that "well tank accessories don't exist therefo...
tank accessories don't exist
distant gyro
the accessory that mitigates the debuff exists for a reason
fervent orbit
summoner just casually taking a hit from dog head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ROiTg4MOc&t=77s
glass arch
i almost facetanked infernum polterghast as summoner, probably could have if i d...
this was just with tarragon armor and full warding btw i could have gone far more defensive with accessories
drowsy plank
like the elephant in the room is missed
the rampart in the room is missed
ftfy
north oracle
glass arch
> the rampart in the room is missed
ftfy <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
it is NOT missed
fervent orbit
summoner just casually taking a hit from dog head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
(this is just normal testing stuff btw, so 4 warding)
gaunt tiger
should you not be able to tank a hit from dog head
drowsy plank
bloodflare is right there i would not forget him
north oracle
BFC is amusing
gaunt tiger
that video is god immunity btw lol
north oracle
draedon's heart is also broken as fuck assuming you don't get adren anyway
drowsy plank
whenever someone says tank builds are bad we start talking about buffing rampart because it's so absurd it's funny
glass arch
should you not be able to tank a hit from dog head
considering it deals 750 damage in rev you shouldnt be able to take many
north oracle
mpg coming in to obliterate us all
glass arch
whenever someone says tank builds are bad we start talking about buffing rampart...
i have become mpgs most loathed shitposter because of how much i joke about it
(its probably not loathing)
drowsy plank
or the associated potion
draconic elixir is dead, the buff was moved to silva wings instead
which are still pretty good
royal tapir
They should make Rampart reduce the healing cooldown to 30 seconds
royal tapir
It's 45
distant gyro
the silva wings revive effect honestly never seemed that good to me
fervent orbit
cog is slow
gaunt tiger
oh hey the dank staff was doing 1 damage to king slime, and not very quickly
is that a bug
distant gyro
after all it is supposed to be small wing bonus
royal tapir
cog is slow
The clock tower engineer fixing the slow gears in the tower
distant gyro
but at face value the silva wings effect relies on the fact that you're just not going back to 1 hp within the next 8 seconds or not surviving long enough to full heal anyway with or without the 50% health recovery
distant gyro
that is ancient and its main effect was with god slayer armor
gaunt tiger
tru
distant gyro
and god slayer armor was god slayer armor (read 1 revive every 45 seconds out loud)
fervent orbit
im just looking at all the crafts with uelibloom
and barely any of them have the uelibloom theme at all
gaunt tiger
no but actually, I think dank staff is bugged
dawn adder
suggestion rewritten
writing is like a hydra for me though, so i welcome advice for any new problems that may have popped up
dense locust
and god slayer armor was god slayer armor (read 1 revive every 45 seconds out lo...
its just a second potion wdym
dense locust
rock rework
this is the best suggestion involving the rock ever
wide river
This is one of the simplest suggestions that I think I've ever seen, and I'm confident that it's going to get like 300 votes
Because Calamity Discord users like voting for the short ones
ornate slate
i think it makes sense at the very least
wide river
Yea, I can understand the point, and I think it would be a good change
Prevents players from burning it (if that would somehow happen) without making it a higher rarity
north oracle
This is one of the simplest suggestions that I think I've ever seen, and I'm con...
ikr
this one is going to get so many votes lmao
ornate slate
i dont think that calamity even has a gray rarity thing so it would be the first
wide river
Oh, right.
Not related to any of the suggestions currently in posting, but I found something regarding the don't about Arsenal weapon charge
cobalt pewter
whattaboutit
wide river
Back at the launch of Rust and Dust, there was an unobtainable item called "Charger Test Item" that instantly charged any Arsenal weapons in the player's inventory
It was subsequently removed two months later, in 1.4.5.003
Most of the suggestions regarding that don't wanted something similar: Something to keep the charge at max. So not only was it frequently suggested, but it was also technically a reversion
north oracle
ooh
so any suggestion regarding that is breaking 2 different rules!
wide river
Yea
Not really useful now, but still something neat
north oracle
is this a SIS?
golden sonnet
The only part that would be is the combining with Luxor's, but it says "possibly" and both items do a similar thing so I don't see an issue
kindred creek
is this a SIS?
what is a SIS?
swift wharf
specific item suggestion
kindred creek
i'm just suggesting an upgrade, not behavior, values, or anything specific about it.
north oracle
yeah, i'm just unsure what the reasoning is here
like the sug says, there's already plenty of projectile weapons in prehardmode calamity
It seems like it would be better to buff bone glove rather than give it an upgrade imo
kindred creek
yeah, i'm just unsure what the reasoning is here
like the sug says, there's alre...
but luxor's also fallss off for similar reasons, so combing them into a hardmode upgrade would be good.
cobalt pewter
@kindred creek There's no reasoning, it just seems like adding items for the sake of it
no it doesn't
north oracle
but luxor's also fallss off for similar reasons, so combing them into a hardmode...
luxors is viable for ages with the right weapons lmao
it might want a rework, but it certainly doesn't fall off
wide river
It's apparently usable with Universe Splitter
north oracle
it's broken with universe splitter
glass arch
luxors is stupid with splitter ye
north oracle
anyway, i'm not sure why this is needed at all
cobalt pewter
certain compatibilities with Luxor's Gift aside, the sugg is not
glass arch
it becomes one of those accessories you dont just slap on for everything, you use it for specific cases where it becomes goated
north oracle
yeah
golden sonnet
Make bone glove buff bone items like fungal symbiote does
north oracle
that would be cool
golden sonnet
cobalt pewter
nah, I hated the Fungal Symbiote rework
drowsy plank
yeah no this doesn't have enough reasoning
@kindred creek the reasoning on this incredibly weak. you identify an issue; bone glove is bad because calamity adds things like luxor's which just flat outclass it despite being pre-Boss vs. Bone Glove being post-Skele. but your solution fixes literally nothing about Bone Glove not having a niche.
it just creates what would probably be one of the most problematic items of all time, and is basically just an SiS in the coat of an actual issue
also man the vanilla wiki does not help much here
it says the bones deal 25 classess but is it classes flat or classes with damage benefits? like is it an exclusory damage type or does it benefit from everything?
bright crag
Should be safe to assume classless flat damage
drowsy plank
yeah but you can never be 100% sure with vanilla lmao
golden sonnet
Make it scale like calamity classless weapons, probably still wouldn't be amazing but might be usable
ornate slate
yea i was gonna say just make it scale over time
drowsy plank
huh
also that just reminds me of rusty medallion
which is also dogshit even tho it homes
ornate slate
i mean wouldnt you just dump bone glove anyways in favor for luxors gift
ornate slate
thats for sure what i did
drowsy plank
fuck no
small timber
I think my bad accssory doc included how much damage boneglove deal and scalr
ornate slate
why not
drowsy plank
scaling items are a dont and also super fucking problematic
ornate slate
oh nevermind then
drowsy plank
as in like, scaling with bosses killed
small timber
I still dont know why they removed luxor's damage softcap
ornate slate
this suggestion needs another look at though
its just too hard to make an argument for it passing rn
ornate slate
my experience with bone glove is using it before i found luxors gift and then replacing it without looking back
north oracle
which is also dogshit even tho it homes
(Rusty is good cog)
drowsy plank
is it
north oracle
Better than STN for every single prehardmode boss I tried it on
drowsy plank
damn
wide river
I've tried Rusty Medallion out as well
It was good on King Slime and Eye of Cthulhu, but I don't think I tested on anything else
north oracle
I spent far too long trying accessories making that guide
But yeah, it’s definitely worth using
kindred skiff
Classic equinox shark
small timber
rusty medallion is good yes, it is not used in the setup mainly only because it is incredibly inconsistent
sometimes it deal 50 dps throughout the fight sometimes it deal 5 (depend on the size of the boss too, and luck)
drowsy plank
@raven palm monoliths exist and astral fruit is already planned
(monoliths are astral trees)
raven palm
Ah. Beans. Thanks for telling me I suppose.
grim tusk
Also SIS
grave zincBOT
@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Merge Corroslime and Crimslime Staff Into One Item]
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@dense ferry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Add ambience relating to The Polterghast]
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ripe owl
grave zincBOT
@abstract forge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Introduce more clear and/or cinematic phase transitions.]
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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Give Roxcalibur an Associated Structure/Shrine]
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[Remove Cosmic Elemental]
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north oracle
huge suggs W
stable kiln
these were all pretty good suggs
hollow ridge
The roxcallibur one is cute, gives anyone somewhat of a reason to look for it
royal tapir
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undone cedar
Very good suggestions accepted
limber zealot
Do this for all endgame bosses pls
@ devs
wait no not that guy
All the themes r such bangers, so let em shine the brightest
glass arch
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holy shit
drowsy plank
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epic
undone cedar
Jav
dense ferry
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Pogging rn
twin cape
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who the fuck would want to remove cosmic elementals
undone cedar
who the fuck would want to remove cosmic elementals
ripe owl
who the fuck would want to remove cosmic elementals
Who would want to keep it?
Let's ask this question first
twin cape
its good for getting terragrim
ripe owl
Terragrim is replaceable with Ench Sword in most of the recipes
Terragrim isn't really good, considering the alternatives
Terragrim is cool but not good
glass arch
its good for getting terragrim
which is used in one (1) weapon
and is honestly not particularly great
twin cape
but its surprisingly good against brain of cthulhu
twin cape
terragrim is craftable after desert scourge is defealted
lucid flare
a rare enemy with a low chance to drop a (craftable) mediocre weapon
glass arch
no
lucid flare
10/10 enemy would do it again
drowsy plank
i feel like the terragrim is devil's sunrise really ought to be replaced with arkhalis or given an alt recipe at some point
since they're basically the same weapon
golden sonnet
Why, arkhalis is a dev weapon that's hard to get
It wouldn't make sense to use a dev set weapon in a recipe, especially one with no alt way to get
Especially with tmodloader adding all of their dev sets and not letting you disable them
drowsy plank
arkhalis is renewable and isn't dependant on worldgen
wide river
Especially with tmodloader adding all of their dev sets and not letting you disa...
At least the tMod dev sets can drop along with normal dev sets, so that's something
golden sonnet
arkhalis is renewable and isn't dependant on worldgen
So is terragrim
It's a drop from cosmic elementals
And is way easier to get than a specific dev item
golden sonnet
Oh, I thought that would get rejected because it was planned to be renamed
drowsy plank
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide river
Rename it
Then one day later remove it 
golden sonnet
Maybe that just means they are working it into something else so it's technically removed?
drowsy plank
most likely
golden sonnet
But there would be a different reaction then, as there is an emoji for that exact thing
drowsy plank
tbf i dont think most of the devs even remember the other reactions exist xd
golden sonnet
True
wide river
I've seen a couple of 🔒 reacts here and there, they just aren't very common
drowsy plank
tbf 🔒 are usually us...,.,.
novel belfry
I feel like terragrim’s problem is that it’s somehow even harder to obtain than pre 1.4 Arkhalis, since enchanted sword shrines are suddenly much rarer to spawn
golden sonnet
It's not hard rn, but will be if cosmic gets completely removed
gaunt tiger
hey would it be against the suggestions rules to suggest that summon tag damage work how it does in vanilla?
(and summon weapons be nerfed to compensate)
novel belfry
Maybe? It would fuck over dev plans but
gaunt tiger
summon tag still doesn't work in phm
it's been 9 months
glass arch
hey would it be against the suggestions rules to suggest that summon tag damage ...
technically a reversion suggestion
novel belfry
As long as if you have a good reason to back your sugg up, it could go along
gaunt tiger
technically a bugfxi suggestion : )
drowsy plank
i can just tell you now it isn't going to happen
gaunt tiger
😦
drowsy plank
flat damage is just too problematic
glass arch
yeah
the devs broke it
drowsy plank
im pretty sure tag damage just isn't working period
dense ferry
Yeah
glass arch
and will fix it eventually
dense ferry
They want to fix that someday but it will take a while
novel belfry
Maybe add a base amount of flat damage that serves as the absolute minimum tag damage
gaunt tiger
if they don't want to fix it yet can they just revert the change until they fix it
gaunt tiger
because as far as I know it's calamity that broke it
dense ferry
No because it's fucking broken
glass arch
that is a much worse idea
glass arch
have you heard of old belladonnas on cultist with unbroken tag damage?
gaunt tiger
hey would it be against the suggestions rules to suggest that summon tag damage ...
summons nerfed to compensate
drowsy plank
we already had tag damage it was called plaguebringer armor flat damage increase
and frankly that is still problematic enough on it's own
gaunt tiger
dank staff is also bugged btw, it doesn't ignore i-frames
dense ferry
summons nerfed to compensate
Hmmmm yes
glass arch
summons nerfed to compensate
they're already being rebalanced for whips
tired haven
flat damage is just too problematic
Outside of 3 cases, 1 of which is now dead, and 2 others now have tag multiplier on vanilla, other problems are yet to be shown
(but I am aware my stance is in minority within dev team)
dense ferry
Let's rebalance the entire class
glass arch
they are in the process of doing it
dense ferry
They did that once with the Post ML Curve Flattening and it was absolute hell
dense ferry
And yeah they are already doing that yeah
novel belfry
Honestly I want it done as soon as possible, that way we can finally get calamity whips
glass arch
its taken them this long to rebalance summoner for a reason
gaunt tiger
Honestly I want it done as soon as possible, that way we can *finally get calami...
this
dense ferry
Honestly I want it done as soon as possible, that way we can *finally get calami...
Yeah same tbh
glass arch
Honestly I want it done as soon as possible, that way we can *finally get calami...
I've heard the aerialite rework will come with a whip
dense ferry
I want to see what they will come up with
gaunt tiger
the current bug is as far as I can tell a rounding error
dense ferry
And honestly curious what they will do with Mourning Star
golden sonnet
Summon tag crit works at least unless you have starbuster core or upgrades in which case it doesn't
gaunt tiger
literally even a clause where it always rounds up to at least 1 would fix it
muh % damage
in phm
: )
gaunt tiger
oh fr?
drowsy plank
yes
tired haven
It's not a rounding error, because if you use a 1000 damage summon it's still not there
gaunt tiger
oh shoot
well, that's
progress, I think
welp if it's being worked on then I shall peace out
inner anvil
They removed it exactly because of that
No, we did not.
dense ferry
A
inner anvil
We tried to make tag damage multiplicative.
It didn't work.
We broke it.
inner anvil
Perhaps with some of the API changes tMod did with damage infliction, perhaps we can make it work now.
dense ferry
Nice
drowsy plank
gl
inner anvil
Supposedly we had a couple fix candidates made by some devs a long while ago, but they were either discontinued or don't work anymore.
Well, none of them work anymore because of the before-mentioned API changes to damage infliction.
drowsy plank
I've never had a problem with boss rush using malice AI tbh
sides maybe scal
like yes it makes them faster but also like
you have tracers or drew's wings at this point
and exo box
like i think some of the malice changes are just necessary to make these preHM bosses challenging at all (and they still aren't)
oblique geyser
like yes it makes them faster but also like
That's the problem, the fair bosses aren't harder and the unfair ones become hellspawn
drowsy plank
i did boss rush like a week ago and i never ran into these issues
bright crag
I've never had a problem with boss rush using malice AI tbh
^
The only problem I can think of is Calclone
And well, you can just balance her
oblique geyser
The only problem I can think of is Calclone
Calclone is not the only problem
I think here's all the unfair bosses currently:
Brain
Queen Bee
Deerclops
Destroyer
Calclone
Leviana
Aureus
Golem
Ravager
Deus
CV
SCal (slightly too fast)
There's probably more even than that but those are the most egregious
bright crag
Queen Bee I can agree on
Deerclops... should be fixed when it gets Rev+ AI, because the issues stem from its regular AI
Brain in general is awful
Aureus isn't a problem if you stay on the ground
The rest I simply disagree with
oblique geyser
Queen Bee I can agree on
Deerclops... should be fixed when it gets Rev+ AI, beca...
Destroyer and Deus are obscenely fast, ravager has some telefrags as does golem,
CV is just really ech with 4 orbs
Leviana I don't even know what's wrong with it but it feels awful
bright crag
Maybe the lack of synergy between Levi and Ana
(Which is in all modes)
The worms are fast but then again, what's the matter? You don't have to outrun them, and you definitely have the speed to dodge them
drowsy plank
yeah no i mean i wouldn't consider most of the things you brought up unfair enough to warrant nerfing besides calclone and scal's projectile speed boosts maybe deserving to die tbh
oblique geyser
Deus especially you have to fallgod to dodge consistently
oblique geyser
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Those should absolutely die
To compensate for no malice AI maybe demonshade speed could be removed