suggestions-discussion

[sleek turret]

diego i sent you the invitation to the spanish terraria server for both modded talks and vanilla talks why don't you join it

[worldly sparrow]

Muhajirs:

[viscid plaza]

¿Vanilla?

[sleek turret]

It's both for Vanilla AND Modded

[viscid plaza]

I hate the fucking vallina

[north oracle]

vanilla and modded terraria

[ripe owl]

Woah there buddy, you don't need to be this rude

[worldly sparrow]

i hate vanilla flavored ice cream

[sleek turret]

don't want to be rude but that's a you problem

[viscid plaza]

Pero si el puto vanilla me la pela entera

[worldly sparrow]

calamity flavored ice cream is amazing tho yall should try it

[north oracle]

i'm not translating any more of these

[cobalt pewter]

thorium flavored ice cream is clearly the shit

[ripe owl]

The Sauce

[worldly sparrow]

"But if the fucking vanilla peels me whole"

[north oracle]

lmfao

[worldly sparrow]

i love google translate extension

[dense ferry]

Google translate at its finest

[ripe owl]

Also what are we doing in sugg discussions of all things?

[north oracle]

fantastic job google translate

[ripe owl]

[viscid plaza]

¿Sabes qué coño le vendría mejor a este servidor?.
Un canal en español, porque así el servidor tendría más gente que la que ya existe, la comunidad crecería más que ahora

[cobalt pewter]

just fuckin warn this guy

[north oracle]

it was initially in sugg posting

[ripe owl]

They have already been warned

[worldly sparrow]

translation:

[cobalt pewter]

timeout then

[novel belfry]

YES! ITS A REAL STICKER!

[north oracle]

sigh
we aren't getting anywhere, just timeout and move on

[cobalt pewter]

idk what the infraction punishment cycle here is

but probably timeout

[ripe owl]

Please refer to message #suggestions-discussion message

[dense ferry]

I'm sorry, but we aren't going to add a channel in spanish and honestly we are fine with the current amount of members. If you continue, I will have to time you out.

[viscid plaza]

No quiero crear un servidor de calamity, yo no sé hacer esa mierda

[cobalt pewter]

amazing

[dense ferry]

Well, sorry buddy

[novel belfry]

Days like these make me wish for a discord translation tool

[north oracle]

ngl i'd call 60k online members rn pretty good

[novel belfry]

even if its obv going to be rough (make that clear)

[dense ferry]

If you keep on that, next time is a ban, sorry 'bout that

[cobalt pewter]

just use bing idk

[ripe owl]

Good, now we can move on to suggestions

[north oracle]

not like all of the current suggestions aren't already flagged or good

[worthy lintel]

wulfrum fishing pole...

||im aware iban already spoke about it today but its still funny||

[grim tusk]

Yea even he wants it dead

[ripe owl]

I wanted to make a joke along the lines of like "i suggest making the France real" but I have decided to not

[golden sonnet]

Should the schematic crafting be flagged, it kinda goes directly against calamity's design philosophy and is programming something when time could just be spent on a fix

[dense ferry]

EquinoxShark grindset

Post a bad sugg every month
Get flagged
Refuse to change sugg
Leaves

[north oracle]

XD

[north oracle]

eventually they'll forget to flag it
right

right?

[worthy lintel]

(nobody flagged the schematics one?)

ima do so

[dense ferry]

I can do that

Ok you do

[worthy lintel]

no

both

[dense ferry]

Ok

[royal tapir]

Ganged up on

[north oracle]

i'll do it too

[dense ferry]

Honestly wouldn't change anything

[north oracle]

yeah

[dense ferry]

His suggs are all pretty bad and like

[north oracle]

would never get past devs

[worthy lintel]

even if it passed it would get shot down

[north oracle]

even if it got voted for

[dense ferry]

If they did get past the posting

His suggs NEVER got into Dev lmao

It's kinda wild

[north oracle]

oh lmfao

they've never been popular enough

[grim tusk]

And most arguments are ech anyways

Like in this one for example

[kindred skiff]

Wb that one roblox pfp dude

Can’t forget about them

[grim tusk]

It argues that the weapon is worse than other on tier stuff.

Like just go to #1042197406776827914 and ask for a buff

[kindred skiff]

With such impeccable grammar

[dense ferry]

"There are no Melee upgrades"

Literally like 7 options after Skeletron

And even then Night's Edge is amazing on Wall

[north oracle]

this was rather extensively covered earlier

don't need to dogpile on it again

[dense ferry]

I can't fucking imagine how cracked it will be on the 1.4.4 port

[kindred skiff]

Moved to post ml

[tired haven]

Well, let's just say cal buff dies completely and even then it's not guaranteed NE won't get an extra nerf

[undone cedar]

[tired haven]

(mostly to overcompensate for the fact that cal is generous on true melee boosts for 13 tile range weapon)

[dense ferry]

Hmmm yes I didn't almost flag CrabBar's message instead of replying to it

[north oracle]

flagged in suggestions discussion

[undone cedar]

Forbidden from speaking

[dense ferry]

I love my CCD

[royal tapir]

Wow mod abuse

……

[undone cedar]

Flagged with a super reaction

[dense ferry]

(Compulsive Clicking Disorder)

[undone cedar]

[tired haven]

[dense ferry]

((I just came up with it))

[dense ferry]

Byeah, expected

[grim tusk]

We should do this to suggestions that are 100% memes

[golden sonnet]

Mod abuse is ok when it's funny

[ripe owl]

Becca, coming up with disorders is not going to justify your mod abuse

[dense ferry]

I imagine the entire Terra Blade line will be nerfed

[golden sonnet]

Me saying it's funny does though

[ripe owl]

Aight fair

[north oracle]

hope so tbh, they'll be super op if they aren't

[golden sonnet]

Glad you agree, I feel valued for once

[worldly sparrow]

night's edge was always good on wall

[royal tapir]

All this talk about 1.4.4 weapon reworks when I haven’t even played 1.4.4 yet

[dense ferry]

I've seen them and they are all quite nice

[north oracle]

sammmme

[dense ferry]

Still all simple enough for Vanilla standards, but pretty

I like them

[dense locust]

excalibur wont

[tired haven]

[dense ferry]

I mean

Excalibur did get better

[dense locust]

(the joke is that you unlock true exal the exact same tier in cal)

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah

[tired haven]

Actually, now that I think of it, don't excalibur and true excalibur basically share the tier?-- dammit

[drowsy plank]

lmao yeah

excalibur's only niche is being a """true melee""" weapon

dontcha love it

[dense locust]

also imagine tne won't need to be nerfed, at least, not too badly

[tired haven]

Well, same could be said of like 70% of swords

almost as if they all are about close ranged combat

[dense ferry]

I imagine Terra Blade and Night's Edge will be the two that will be hit the hardest

[north oracle]

daed golems are not the worst summon ai, in fact they have similar ai to several other summons

they're also broken with their shit ai

[dense ferry]

What the fuck is a Daedalus Golem

[north oracle]

lmfao

[dense ferry]

!wiki Daedalus Golem

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Daedalus_Golem_Staff

[dense ferry]

Oh it's a weapon

[north oracle]

they should probably get improved ai, but there's nothing actively wrong with them compared with loads of other summons

[tired haven]

least confused grounded minion AI

[distant gyro]

the recent suggestion reminded me that piky was a prime ampoule user who used it for exo mechs testing

[north oracle]

kill amposule pls

[distant gyro]

most devious player i know

[north oracle]

what lmao

[drowsy plank]

hilarious

[tired haven]

dubious

[wide river]

If anything, I just see that as making Ambrosial Ampoule worse
An accessory from early hardmode should not be able to be used against one of the endgame bosses, regardless of what it is
I loathe Rotten Dogtooth with a burning passion

[drowsy plank]

ampoule is really good at giving stats and nothing else

[small timber]

it is definitely not "not worth it", it is more that it is a boring stat stick

(though 70-80% of accessories are boring stat stick)

[distant gyro]

yeah

stats are offering you ways to play the game

[small timber]

#1042197406776827914 message ok yeah I still have this

[distant gyro]

it is far less outlandish than gimmick accessories that have niche uses and no one ever uses them

even if they're the most broken thing ever with spectral veil as the top example

[small timber]

did you know frostflare at below 20% HP will offer a better defensive boost than ambrosial ampoule because for on tier defense is more important than DR? surely it will be better than ambrosial

[distant gyro]

(spectral veil needed stats for people to begin considering despite the blink being notoriously overpowered)

[distant gyro]

surely you will be alive below 20% health for very long

[small timber]

nah if something is good and people just assume it is not it dont really have to be buffed

let the player who minmax minmax

let those who consider "emblem build is the way" to play in the way they want

if we just slap stats onto everything then it just end up being stat overbloat again (eg: previously DR on everything)

[tired haven]

Well, I mean ampoule DOES have stats slapped on it

[small timber]

I mean the entire point of Ambrosial kinda is that it have stats; but yeah was referring to stats on spectral veil

[small timber]

this

[tired haven]

Ah

[distant gyro]

stats is a part of the minmaxing to be fair

even if it draws from some primary feature like the movement speed boost from the wulfrum hook pack

[cobalt pewter]

I've always preferred unique effects over pure stat sticks, but whatever is the topic again? spectral veil? ampoule?

[crude geode]

whatever is in sugg posting

[wide river]

I couldn't tell you, frankly
It started with Ampoule and went to minmaxxing somehow

[cobalt pewter]

so ampoule

[small timber]

tldr ambrosial suggestion used reasoning "it is not worth it", but really it is actually worth it
just Ambrosial is super boring

[cobalt pewter]

because apparently spectral veil was brought up earlier

[crude geode]

it was brought up in comparison

[small timber]

spectral veil is a different topic about giving good but underused accessory stats so that people start using them

[crude geode]

byeah different topic

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

in that case I'll just focus on ampoule

yeah it's

boring

[crude geode]

ambrosial ampoule is a stat stick which calamity has 500 of

[cobalt pewter]

cal has a tendency of fat stat sticks like ampoule

a handful is fine but when your entire identity is +50 stat sticks

why

[wide river]

I would've brought up the fact that Ampoule is worse compared to Daedalus + Ornate Shield, but that's incredibly conditional reasoning that depends on a certain loadout, and is kinda just not worth putting in the suggestion

[kindred skiff]

The what now

I’ve never heard of this accessory

[cobalt pewter]

Ambrosial Ampoule?

[kindred skiff]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

[[Ambrosial Ampoule]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ambrosial_Ampoule

[crude geode]

.

making it easy to gloss over

[tired haven]

Stat stick haters when they see a unique accessory with niche effect and completely gloss over it for an emblem anyway
(okay okay no more slandering for now)

[crude geode]

[small timber]

unique weapon user when 90% of the time it just "please give me back old aotc it is better"

[cobalt pewter]

(I still with death upon vanilla broadsword usestyle)

(it's deathly boring and there are little room for creativity)

[wide river]

But what if we add a beam projectile? This will make it unique and worth keeping

[small timber]

but yeah, despite me saying that ambrosial ampoule is boring: most accessories will just be stat stick

because stat stick no only is often most useful, easiest to understand and also easiest to be implemented

[crude geode]

[small timber]

because a lot of these are "unique accessory" https://docs.google.com/document/d/17SUHBgjAjO2BKks2WkgJ7M4kGQFcCEgRTPhfttLid_o/edit?usp=sharing

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's fine to have a handful of stat sticks in a single accessory but there are times (unsurprisingly with combination accs (fuck this idiotic concept)) where it's just overbearing

[wide river]

Combination accessories are from an older time when "Omega accessories" were hip and cool to have in your mod
This is still kinda fine now, but having too many of these is just stupid

[crude geode]

me when the ancient piece of history has not updated every single part of itself to newer standards

[small timber]

but yeah tldr of tldr
"15% increase damage" tend to be more useful and more widely used than "below 25% HP give 20% increased damage, if you are inflicted with DOT debuff you additionally take 50% more damage from it but you gain an additional 5% increased damage but after the DOT effect ends you lose 10% increase damage for 15 seconds while is you are above 25% HP to below 75% HP it instead give you 2 life regen when you are inflicted with a debuff while providing 50 increase max HP during the duration of the debuff to boost your natural life regen and if you are above 75% HP it give you 5% DR and 10% increase damage alternative every 5 seconds

[cobalt pewter]

ain't reading allat

[crude geode]

sorry that happened to you

byeah uhhhh

to change the topic

can we remove crackshot colt and midas prime

[distant gyro]

that is not a tldr

[wide river]

Whyever so?

[distant gyro]

that is tl

[crude geode]

It's more a tool than an actual gun

and like. it just feels like it's there for reference's sake

[cobalt pewter]

it is

flash news

[north oracle]

they were just added, and are viable weapons in their own rights

[crude geode]

they weren't.

they were updated, which is my major problem with them

[atomic shell]

crackshot colt is a great option for early game rangers

[north oracle]

just added
it's been a while hasn't it

[cobalt pewter]

you can bet your left ass cheek Fab will add a reference to the games he currently enjoyed

[atomic shell]

please pizza tower reference I beg

[crude geode]

I'll cry

[wide river]

Marksman Rounds are the real problem here
They took all originality from Midas Prime and Crackshot just for "unique playstyles"

[distant gyro]

this is historically accurate

just saying

[crude geode]

literally

[cobalt pewter]

yeah Marksman Rounds seem to be the problematic child here

[north oracle]

that appears to be how this works

marksman are the issue

[cobalt pewter]

the 2 weapons are fine before a single bullet took their identity

[crude geode]

that's my main problem with them

absolutely killed any identity while also not really adding a whole lot to other weaponry

[north oracle]

they added a lot when they were broken

[small timber]

what do you mean by they were "updated"

[crude geode]

I forgot you needed marksman rounds to specifically interact with the coins

and that was the main problem I was talking about

cuz I haven't played this mod in ages lmao

[distant gyro]

you can't be serious thinking you can ricoshot with an arrow

[cobalt pewter]

ammo that specifically require a separate weapon to properly function just sounds weirdge

[small timber]

but yeah, I will definitely not call them "not good"

[north oracle]

^^^^^

[wide river]

You learn a surprising amount of stuff just by reading messages on Discord

[north oracle]

[crude geode]

I moreso thought any bullet would work

[distant gyro]

trolls aside

[small timber]

it is more that there is a complete lack of sniper rifle other than AMR at post-ML that can actually use marksman round

otherwise it will be ultra crack

(it will not top tyranny's end in anyway so no way you use marksman on that)

[north oracle]

yeah, it was only better with TE when it was unreasonably broken

[crude geode]

I've said it before and I will continue to say it

[cobalt pewter]

just remove Marksman, honestly

[distant gyro]

marksman round is hardly used anywhere

[cobalt pewter]

it's fuckin pointless

[north oracle]

yeah

it does nothing really

[crude geode]

I don't really consider balance in considering whether something should be reworked/removed

because it can change so fluidly

[distant gyro]

it is balanced around the uppermost levels of overpowered synergies

[small timber]

if the bunch of post-ML sniper rifle just remove their hard convert and have their convert on musketball instead it definitely will be viable

[tired haven]

Crystal darts can so why not arrows

smh

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

time to rage sugg about removing Marksman Round

[crude geode]

you're welcome~

[cobalt pewter]

(I have never played the mod in the last year I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about)

[drowsy plank]

marksman round is so inoffensive at this point idc if it continues existing

[distant gyro]

[drowsy plank]

i hope all 3 ultrakill fans that can actually combo AMR with midas have fun or whatever

enjoy your comparable DPS

[crude geode]

I feel like half the sugg regulars haven't

[distant gyro]

marksman round expands artificially expands the shelf life of midas prime really

[cobalt pewter]

nah the actual regulars here nowadays definitely still play the game to some extent

[north oracle]

i still play the game

[drowsy plank]

i just beat scal for the first time last week

[distant gyro]

i don't think it damages the identity of midas prime itself

[cobalt pewter]

some are borderline testers without being devs even

[north oracle]

i'm also regular in half the channels in this server

[wide river]

I do, to an extent
Just whenever I feel like doing a modded playthrough with a friend. It's starting to get boring though

[crude geode]

wannabe testers xpc and mpg you mean

[distant gyro]

it works just about as well as giving midas prime more upgrades

[small timber]

I dont really play the game anymore, I just occassionally do a 20 min EOL dodge because I really wanted to prove a point

[drowsy plank]

hence why i usually only start runs after an update at this point

[north oracle]

most of the people in tierlist cord are on the edge of being testers without actually being testers
the ones that actually regularly test shit that is

[distant gyro]

actually being testers kills productivity

[north oracle]

this is very true

[distant gyro]

because then you have to keep up with team affairs and then pipeline into ideas person

and stop testing in 5

it is tried and true

[north oracle]

tierlistcord is a far better place to actually test lmao

[small timber]

@grizzled sage that belongs to #1052323733961977947

[grizzled sage]

oh sorry

[small timber]

not really a bug, but yeah also not really a suggestion
but I think it is closer to a bug since it is performance related

[grizzled sage]

yea

me and my friend can't kill it like 30 times because when he using this atack our fps droping to 10-12 , and dying in this time

[drowsy plank]

laser walls are already getting nerfed next update anyway so nbd

[small timber]

changelog only say body laser not laser wall, so not sure
just hopefully the shorter telegraph is applied to both

[random pasture]

They are making the length of the lasers shorter on everything too

Not the duration of the telegraph but like the actual physical length of the telegraph

Which means there are less things being rendered at once

So hopefully less lag

Without doing anything to the fight itself

[novel belfry]

not gonna lie, I would really want more armor sets like the Wulfrum armor

i wonder how i would format a suggestion about adding more such transformation-type armors

no specific item suggestions of course, but add a general trend of cool transformation armors

[drowsy plank]

it's been hard getting any such thing through, because any mention of adding more mechs specifically has been met with the counterargument that it devalues the existing one

but general transformations like PSC as well could be cool

[placid quail]

transformation items are my absolute favorite in calamity (mainly wulfrum and psc)

[north oracle]

@gilded pike QS drops souls of light

[gilded pike]

Oh wow this is the first time i've heard of this

[small timber]

@gilded pike

1. because of the rule below 1) is definitely out of the question (large reconsideration) and it kinda doesn't really fix anything, it basically is just "yo altar of night make it so you have little reason to visit underground evil, now let's make the player have little reason to visit underground hallow too"

2. probably is the most probable solution among this and I dont think broke any rule

3. this one was suggested before but was got denied, chances of it happening is slim

4. that one is too specific and kind of have nothing to do with altar of evil

[gilded pike]

This is just now being brought to my attention

[north oracle]

Lmao
They already introduced a method yeah

[small timber]

and yeah I am kind of confuse, is the suggestion to "make the player have more reason to visit underground evil" or "to give soul of light also an easy method to be obtained" ?

[north oracle]

Yeah

[gilded pike]

Little bit of both i think, but i had no idea that queen slime dropped SoL's

[north oracle]

Atm there is a slight imbalance in that you need underground hallow for crystal shards
However they take about 5 minutes to get a shitload of and you can basically ignore both underground infections apart from them

[small timber]

you definitely still need to go underground evil and hallow for drops like biome mimics, especially for lights; ichor and cursed flame

the problem is because 2033™️ calamity boss rush mod philosophy everything must have a boss drop therefore souls of night from altar (which with ore rework serves no other purpose for breaking them therefore you can just break all except 1 for crafting), souls of light from QS, ichor and cursed flame from perforator and hive mind just because "evil biome lack hardmode content"

[north oracle]

Literally everything now has an alternative obtainment method except crystal shards now tbh iirc

[small timber]

therefore the solution is of course make it craftable from souls of light + glass or something

[north oracle]

Anyway @gilded pike you need to remove the invalid and not allowed parts of your suggestion as per this message

[north oracle]

Ofc, because there’s no expectation that you’d ever explore your world outside of preboss

[gilded pike]

Noted

[small timber]

and yeah kind of focus on 1: either give more reason to visit underground evil OR give a way to obtain souls of light easily

[north oracle]

Yeah

[small timber]

you can just make 2 suggestions for 2 idea; if you focus both on 1 most people will just be confused by it

[north oracle]

Although the second point is unnecessary

The first however is something that would be pretty cool

[small timber]

and likely never happening
and also kind of will serve no purpose

[north oracle]

It would never even get past voting tbh

[small timber]

the purpose of evil altar was initially for ore spawning + altar craft; why will they create a new altar with the entire purpose of just provide an easy way to obtain souls of light

[north oracle]

There’s no good enough reasons and cal players don’t want bigger delays in their boss rush

[glass arch]

doesnt qs drop those or is it just souls of light she drops

[drowsy plank]

just souls of light

which is still mentioned in this sugg which kinda makes me want to flag it bc that is still just

Incorrect

qs is the fast way to get souls of light and the reasoning is weak as hell

[glass arch]

yeah qs is
really easy

plus she drop what, 30 per kill

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[stable kiln]

this suggestion is a nono yeah

[drowsy plank]

@gilded pike im flagging this because there's basically no reasoning; queen slime drops souls of light, hive mind and perferators drop ichor and cursed flames, and there's like 0 reasons you'd need vertebra or rotten chunks in hardmode

[dense ferry]

I mean, leather

Sometimes you need leather

[glass arch]

(dest summon needs vertebra/rotten chunks)

[drowsy plank]

leather for what? like. okay i dont remember what that one rogue item is named but it's not like there are really that many if any hardmode exclusive items you need leather for

[small timber]

oh yeah the suggestion is kind of disconnected from the first and second paragraph

[dense ferry]

Byeah no that's the only use

[drowsy plank]

plus again it just isn't true because a lot of hardmode mobs DO drop those

[small timber]

the tldr of suggestion is actually "altar giving souls of night make it way too easy to get to the point that the player never have a reason to go to underground evil biome"

[dense ferry]

I do think something else could be done with the Altars tho

[small timber]

they just leave the "no easy way to get souls of light" in for some reason

[drowsy plank]

sure, but this ain't how id do it for sure lol

[dense ferry]

I might suggest something

If I fucking knew about their Lore

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[dense ferry]

I will go ask Cei if she has ideas later.

(And if she can tell me them)

[ripe owl]

The posting is empty

Impossible

[stable kiln]

i doubt altars get changed and i hope they wont, i like them as they are and i would be surprised if there will be something i like more than current ones

[tired haven]

I don't really like how altars are handled in cal but it's clear their function is rudimentary once the early HM rework came in, so can't mind it much

[cobalt pewter]

I personally don't like the current altars because it just pushes so hard into the boss rush element of cal (which was already kinda bad to begin with)

but ig if it's needed

[tired haven]

Yeah that's the reason for me

[stable kiln]

i guess that makes sense

[tired haven]

There are so many tools to make grind faster (zerg alone probably makes soul grind a minute task) but this is yet another one

[dense ferry]

I think the Altars should just have

A more universal mechanic

I was thinking of confirming a Mech Boss spawns for example, but idk

That would be cool if it wasn't for the non consumable Boss summons

[jolly galleon]

You could also make the altars simoly just give both night and light

[dense ferry]

We literally just talked why that isn't happening

[cobalt pewter]

or just don't give either

[jolly galleon]

Ah

Idk I didn't backread

[cobalt pewter]

honestly

utilize wraiths a bit more in relation to the altars

[dense ferry]

I don't think they should have something insane

But I do think they should be more tied to Hardmode in general

And not just Hardmode Evil Biome

[drowsy plank]

you could make destroying three of them spawn the new reworked evil2 bosses for hardmode

also altars giving souls of night is just a bandaid to the fact that collecting souls in hardmode is hot ass to do

[cobalt pewter]

the entire game is a huge band-aid after all

[drowsy plank]

lmao

if i had time and knew terraria coding i would absolutely make a concept mod of my deeper evils idea

[ashen warren]

Pretty easy with city busters

[drowsy plank]

city busters are not part of calamity

[ashen warren]

Ohhh

[drowsy plank]

and are still
just a bandaid
to the fact that collecting souls is still hot ass to do

[ashen warren]

Fargo's right?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[ashen warren]

Fair

I do like how queen slime drops souls of light

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's fine bc it both has lore and is actually hard to do

[bright crag]

Of only each mob had a guaranteed chance to drop one soul

[ashen warren]

Queen slime is easy T-T

Even in infernum

[drowsy plank]

killing a boss is harder than swinging a hammer once

[glass arch]

@fair folio dude this is a vanilla feature already

[dense ferry]

I am pretty sure

[ashen warren]

True

[dense ferry]

Yeah that's a feature

[fair folio]

it does not remove the ones on the mod

[dense ferry]

(Also format it correctly pretty please)

It's

Name

[Content]

[glass arch]

that seems more like a bug

[drowsy plank]

does it actually not removed modded ones

true

[glass arch]

yeah it doesnt

just checked with the astral

[drowsy plank]

wack

[dense ferry]

Doesn't seem like a Calamity problem

But a TMod one

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pewter]

terraria lighting is the biggest contributor to lag

(solution: remove lights)

[dense ferry]

When the lighting engine fucking sucks

And somehow a shaders Mod makes it less laggy????

[fair folio]

really ı gotta try that

[drowsy plank]

terraria really do be having that lighting engine from 2013 or whenever the fuck

[glass arch]

l&s makes it run off gpu or something

[drowsy plank]

@fair folio your suggestion won't pass unless you fix the formatting issues fyi

[fair folio]

Remove background options

I think it would help people who has low end pc like me if there was a setting to cancel biome backgroungs. In normal Terraria i cant play with background on and when i play calamity and go to biomes that comes with it due to background it really lags otherwise its okay. I searched a lot and couldnt find anything like that.

[fair folio]

is this correct

[dense ferry]

Yeah it is more or less

Just put the title in bold letters

[drowsy plank]

yeah ^

[drowsy plank]

(prolly should've just reply pinged the first time lmao)

[fair folio]

I think i did it right

[drowsy plank]

yeah looks right to me

i forget if sugg bot does it automatically or if someone will need to manually remove the flag lol

oh cool

[ripe owl]

Wait

Isn't there likr

Already an option to disable the backgrounds?

[drowsy plank]

it does not work with calamity

[ripe owl]

Fair

[fair folio]

in vanila yes but it does not work on calamity biomes

[drowsy plank]

this is probably a bug or should go in bug reports but i dont even know if it actually is a bug or if the functionality just doesn't exist yet

in which case

it would be a valid sugg

[ripe owl]

What if it's TML's fault all over again?

[drowsy plank]

entirely possible

just gonna wait for confirmation lol

[ripe owl]

Hey at Shade hash o-

[drowsy plank]

sadly shade is not online you will simply have to ping a different dev

[ripe owl]

That was kinda the joke

[drowsy plank]

no jokes allowed

[ripe owl]

[wide river]

Hmm, I actually like this idea.
Grief. Lament. Epiphany. Acceptance. Four phases to the same boss fight.
The only problem I see is that all the other bosses that have multiple Music Boxes for their fight don't have a combo music box. Maybe the suggestion could be expanded to be for all of those, rather than just Supreme Witch, Calamitas.
Although, it might be the same thing as adding the Interludes, where it'd just make the Music Mod file size even larger.

[hybrid steeple]

i think the other bosses arent an issue because theyre distinct phases with distinct music

while scal's are more like
sections of the fight
with sections of the same song

[drowsy plank]

yeah like anahita's themes are all very distinct, but like, scal's are just like. that's her theme

the only other combined box id want is maybe DoG's theme

since i think the sentinel's sections are seperate

yeah they are

the only other combo box would be DoG's full theme

[hybrid steeple]

yeah
or like infernal catharsis vs rotjd

[frosty trellis]

Non-stop mix in game

[drowsy plank]

Yes

[hollow ridge]

New heading format for suggs

[glass arch]

oh shit it finally released????

wait can the bot read that

[wide river]

How does one do this

[hollow ridge]

Then message

[glass arch]

# [insert message here]

[wide river]

Does this work

[hollow ridge]

With the space

Yes

[wide river]

So it does

I tried it before, but I guess I didn't use the space

[golden sonnet]

is there a way to disable this in chats? I can immediately see this becoming an issue

lmao

[glass arch]

anyways
the real question here is
can the bot actually read it

[fervent orbit]

stoopid @dense locust

[ornate kestrel]

why does this work

[dense locust]

yes

took you this long?

[fervent orbit]

no

[wide river]

I have a suggestion that I'm planning on making today, so I'll test it out

[dense locust]

good

[golden sonnet]

God, don't let cmt know about this

[fervent orbit]

question is how i do it

[fervent orbit]

they alr know

[golden sonnet]

[fervent orbit]

rebecca told not to spam it alr tho

[wide river]

I'll check the server setup menu
I assume there isn't, but it doesn't hurt to check

[drowsy plank]

discord any% speedrun on disabling this feature

[hollow ridge]

[fervent orbit]

doesnt seem like theres a permission for it

[hollow ridge]

LOL

[fervent orbit]

wait a second

dang it

it makes it

[hollow ridge]

This sucks

[fervent orbit]

smaller

somehow

[hollow ridge]

Gonna abuse this on my server

[fervent orbit]

like

[wide river]

Did you try the command with an emoji

[fervent orbit]

bigger than normal tho

yea

they should add text to speech permissions to everyone

[ornate kestrel]

[wide river]

How to annoy literally everyone in a server in one simple step

[ornate kestrel]

So all emojis shrink

[hollow ridge]

• also this
• this one is cool
• 🤨

[ornate kestrel]

* also this

* this one is cool

* 🤨

[dense locust]

how do you do this one

[ornate kestrel]

Hehehehehe

[wide river]

Welcome back to another episode of "Suggestions-discussion talks about Discord features"

[drowsy plank]

[hollow ridge]

• message

[dense ferry]

Stop spamming this shit, God

[hollow ridge]

Wait

Right sorry

There's another too

[dense ferry]

Not that one

[hollow ridge]

It makes your message into a link

[drowsy plank]

yall can test it in a private server
thank god it doesn't work on desktop yet

[dense ferry]

This

[drowsy plank]

i think we disabled that one at least, because that one did have a toggle. i think.

[fervent orbit]

cant wait to use

• to list
• my points
• on how blood pact is shit

[dense locust]

oh are these mobile only right now?

[wide river]

That's for the best
cmt would've been somehow worse if that's the case

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[hollow ridge]

Gave it away

[dense ferry]

Ah, yes

[hollow ridge]

With embeds

[fervent orbit]

use <>

[dense locust]

embed failure turned to embed sucess

[fervent orbit]

over the link

[hollow ridge]

Right

I won't tho

No need

[dense ferry]

The "hide malicious links with no effort" feature

[dense locust]

yayyyyy

[hollow ridge]

Also this is suggs discussion

[glass arch]

no

[drowsy plank]

okay fr this isnt discord formatting general yall can test this in DMs tho
anyway yes discord sucks balls what else is new

[fervent orbit]

you still have to click "do you want to go to [x] page? it may be malicious"

[glass arch]

its on web, not sure about desktop app

[drowsy plank]

not on desktop app yet

[fervent orbit]

im on the app rn

[drowsy plank]

thank god

[wide river]

In a channel with embeds disabled, that's actually terrible
We should probably move to #general-talk to continue this conversation

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

[fervent orbit]

is summoner weapons using mana outdated

like why do they use mana anyway

[drowsy plank]

to prevent summon spam

[fervent orbit]

isnt that gone in 1.4.4

[drowsy plank]

no idea

[dense locust]

isn't what gone

[fervent orbit]

also thats stupid because u can chug mana pots and u can still summon spam

so

[drowsy plank]

yes that is the balancing factor

[fervent orbit]

let me just put

quick mana on m1

[drowsy plank]

lol

[wide river]

The funny thing is that summons used to not have mana costs
That changed in 1.2.4.1

[fervent orbit]

[ornate kestrel]

Summons using mana is dumb

Now

Also not having a summon counter in vanilla

[wide river]

New suggestion time

Move Carnage to be a Dreadnautilus drop rather than a Wall of Flesh drop

Carnage is a True Melee broadsword that drops from the Wall of Flesh, and was formerly a Malice Mode drop from The Perforators and The Hive Mind. It has a bloody feel about it, what with spawning blood bolts when enemies are killed, and being named "Carnage". With this in mind, it seems like a no-brainer to move it to the event literally themed around blood and slaughter: The Blood Moon.

In particular, I was thinking it could be moved to the Dreadnautilus, which is lacking in terms of unique loot, despite being one of the most boss-like enemies. Giving Dreadnautilus more unique loot while getting rid of the Wall of Flesh's already cramped drop table would help to lessen the weapon oversupply one will get immediately into Hardmode, and will encourage players to seek out events.

[drowsy plank]

ye

[ornate kestrel]

Wait wtf

When did they move it to wof

[frosty trellis]

A long while ago

[glass arch]

1.5.1

[ornate kestrel]

Well I never really got it so ig it makes sense I didn't notice

[eternal escarp]

cool sugg tbh

[wide river]

I had planned to suggest this a month or two ago, but there was a suggestion regarding Carnage already, so I had left it until that one had ended its voting cycle
Obviously I forgot about it until now

[drowsy plank]

was it mine about making it rogue lol

[wide river]

Yea, that one

[drowsy plank]

sad that it didnt pass tbh

[wide river]

I just want Wall of Flesh's drop pool to be shrank, in some way
Like, look at this. All of these items can drop from Wall of Flesh, don't you think that's too much?

(Ignore the healing potions and the lore item, they aren't a problem)

[north oracle]

oh it's too much lmao

he already has a melee weapon

[drowsy plank]

tbf he's like preHM moon lord so i get it but ur still right

[wide river]

Why does every "major tier unlocking boss" have such a bloated drop pool though
This happens with Plantera, Moon Lord, and DoG too

[swift wharf]

mf drops TWO true melee swords

[tired haven]

Maybe because they are majorly preparing you for the unlocked tiers 🤔

[north oracle]

they unlock enough other materials
(and half their drops are shit)

[tired haven]

half the terraria weapons are shit so that doesn't really narrow it down

[north oracle]

true...

[night jolt]

Does the Dreadnautilus really need more drops?

It's only a midboss and already incredibly useful for summoners cause of the Sanguine Staff

[wide river]

It has three unique drops, one of which is just a lore item
How is that "How does it need more drops" level of drops

Blood Moon Monolith, Sanguine Staff, and Blood Moon (Lore)

[small timber]

I will be honest while this makes more sense, unless you are really confident that the weapon is strong enough locking it behind dreadnautilus is just a death sentence for most weapon

Dreadnautilus is one of the hardest to farm and one of the more difficult enemy you can encounter at the start of hardmode

So carnge will definitely need a rework because a true melee broadsword designed for event and normal enemy farming locking behind one of the more difficult event miniboss just do not work

[wide river]

I can't add the rework idea to the suggestion, because that's better for another suggestion, but making a separate suggestion would likely cause both suggestions to die, because both of them would be trying to change Carnage in different ways

[small timber]

Another (potential) approach that is much easier is to not lock it behind dreadnautilus specifically but rather other hardmode bloodmoon miniboss can also drop it

Because while they are still difficult to farm but no way near dreadnautilus level

[errant bobcat]

Or have all blood moon enemies start dropping it during hardmode similar to ko cannon

[wide river]

That'd lead to another Evil Smasher situation where you get it way too frequently

[small timber]

Tldr is that dreadnautilus have higher chance or guaranteed to drop it, but other miniboss can drop at low chance too

[errant bobcat]

Rewards you for farming event by making it even easier to farm event

[errant bobcat]

Ye I agree

[small timber]

That already applied to most bloodmoon miniboss except sanguine staff anyway

[errant bobcat]

Would it be added to clown drop table tho or just fishing enemies

They should have given jungle trees a small change to drop bananarangs when shaken at start of hardmode

[drowsy plank]

carnage needs a rework anyway the thing is either dogshit or busted

there is no inbetween

[north oracle]

^

[ripe owl]

So devs need to make it dogshit busted?

[north oracle]

yes!

[frosty trellis]

Carnage needs to not be true melee

[drowsy plank]

making it an actual sickle/scythe would be nice

[glass arch]

is this where i plug doze's melee reworks mod

[north oracle]

absolutely

[wide river]

It's scythe/sickle-shaped, so I think it could have a unique swing animation
I would LOVE that

[north oracle]

doze made it so much cooler

[ripe owl]

Make it a boomerang because Calamity is having a lack of melee boomerangs

[wide river]

5 melee and 28 rogue, provided I counted correctly
Make it something other than a broadsword, at the very least

[north oracle]

28 fucking rogue weapons

wtf

[ripe owl]

Okay let me clarify then

[north oracle]

just make the rest of the melee ones rogue then istg

[ripe owl]

There, now it's correct

[wide river]

The five melee ones are hammers

Four of which are the same upgrade line

[ripe owl]

Yeah we've been through this

[north oracle]

fucking kill the hammers

[ripe owl]

Kill the rogue boomerangs instead

[wide river]

At the very least kill the Stellar Contempt and Fallen Paladin's Hammer
That gives us more reasoning behind making Carnage a boomerang

[north oracle]

there's fucking 22 of them istg
this is the only thing in this mod that actually annoys me

[ripe owl]

And we should kill them all

Also :22:

[north oracle]

:22:

[drowsy plank]

i like the hammers

[dense locust]

it is hammer time

[ripe owl]

[north oracle]

as you may be able to tell
I don't fucking like the hammers

[drowsy plank]

banned.

[golden sonnet]

you can just, not kill cultist?

like, if your arguement was that cultist spawning is annoying then sure

[drowsy plank]

mirror

[golden sonnet]

but how do you accidentaly summon pillars? there's a whole ass boss between that result and what you desribed happening

[random talon]

Maybe what they need is an item like the Guide to Critter Companionship that allows them to not harm the cultists?

[errant bobcat]

Also you could just die to cultist if you kill the small ones

[drowsy plank]

maybe if you were in hardcore?

[random talon]

save and exit

[errant bobcat]

If in hardcore that’s more understandable, but yea save and exit exists

[drowsy plank]

but dat's cheating!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!! >=(((((

lol

yeah

[glass arch]

i respect anyone able to make it that far in cal on hardcore

[north oracle]

Also, if you really don’t want them to spawn you can break the place they stand

[grim tusk]

Can we add “Cultist spawn blocker” to frequently suggested?
@hollow shell
I think we get like one every week

[hollow shell]

Yes indeed it's a very common suggestion

[north oracle]

yeah, it comes up very often

[golden sonnet]

this

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message
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Related:
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[glass arch]

jesus

[hollow shell]

There have been so many suggestions related to accidentally damaging or killing the Cultists
that
I'm honestly really surprised we haven't done anything about it yet

we/they

[errant bobcat]

Yea I forgot you can literally block their spawn with a simple item called a pickaxe with at least molten power

[north oracle]

What the fuck

That’s so many

[dense ferry]

Rover spamming what the fuck!!!

[errant bobcat]

A never before seen exhibit

[hollow shell]

like I really don't know why there hasn't been any kind of item added for this purpose
considering we do have these: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Spawn_blockers

Granted, these are all for spawns rather than like, damage immunity
(we could make it prevent their spawns but it'd be more awkward and annoying cuz it would never despawn them)

But the tech for conditional damage immunity definitely does exist after 1.4 cuz of Guide To Critter Companionship

I will add it to the Don'ts but I do hope that something gets implemented for it

[grim tusk]

Wrong pic

[ornate kestrel]

this isn't working anymore I think

[hollow shell]

🪞

[grim tusk]

Jeez

[hollow shell]

That's the same pic

[grim tusk]

Oh

Idk why my phone showed another

[ornate kestrel]

Giant text seems to not be working

[glass arch]

yeah discord got rid of that update fast

[hollow shell]

(Why bring that up now)

[ornate kestrel]

I was testing if it was just one server

But apparently they removed it

I can see why

[grim tusk]

Hyperlinks blocked

[drowsy plank]

can i just

[drowsy plank]

nearly all of these have passed... do we really need ANOTHER one on top of that, or? i mean i guess nothing has been done about it... still... and people have been asking for nearly 3 years so

idk

[hollow shell]

Yeah I have slapped it on the Don'ts now

As usual, the one in posting will be the final one

Won't apply retroactively to it cuz that's not fair

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

[tranquil perch]

I haven't played calamity in quite a while, is Cal's EoL actually randomized?

I've spent a lot of time tinkering with EoL's AI and changing it, so I know how she decides which attack to use next

if calamity implements the attack order in her AI change the same way vanilla empress does, I see how that could be annoying to code with

[small timber]

TLDR both yes and not really

[tranquil perch]

In vanilla, her attacks are laid out in a way that there are never 2 sets of lasting rainbows

last time I played calamity was like

2 years ago

[small timber]

basically Calamity EoL is that she follow a fixed pattern; HOWEVER, she can decide to just "not use" some of the attack in her pattern

Lets say if EoL's attack pattern is:

Attack 1 -> Attack 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 1

EoL can just not use some of it randomly, which can result in something like:

Attack 1 -> 2 skipped -> 3 -> 4,5 skipped -> Attack 1

if you refer Attack 1 as everlasting rainbow that is how she can do 2 at once

but yeah tldr is the suggestion really is (kind of) skill issue, because you definitely can dodge 2 everlasting rainbow at once consistently, especially that it only happen in Phase 1

it don't happen in Phase 2 because EoL don't have 2 everlasting rainbow in 1 attack cycle, therefore even if she skip some attack in the pattern she don't do 2 rainbows

[tranquil perch]

is it just me or does calamity make everlasting rainbows slower?

I definitely don't recall them being this slow

[tranquil perch]

I wonder what led to the decision of doing that

[small timber]

tldr is so that when you fight EoL it don't end up being just the same fight everytime you fight it

whether that is better depend on the opinions, but personally I don't mind

[small timber]

I think they make it slower but last longer but I am not 100% sure, Phase 2 rainbow is significantly changed

[tranquil perch]

my feeling towards it is both a "why" and "I don't really care" because I dodge EoL from reaction anyway

except for phase 2 sun dance, which I have the pattern memorized

[golden sonnet]

I've never found it to be very problematic tbh, and I don't have much experience with EoL

she never really takes more than like 1-2 tries every time I play Cal

[grizzled dome]

I'm tempted to suggest moving some spawnblockers to be available sooner, but I'm not even sure that's a good idea. Like... blocking hive mind/perforators until you've probably killed them once would be convenient, but that doesn't mean it's good design. Eye of Cthulhu also only stops auto-spawning once you've killed it once.

[drowsy plank]

rainbow has a different trajectory too

hm

i could see the argument for them to be move to before fighting them

anahita and wof have them after all

i think AS too?

[golden sonnet]

no AS one

Just Hiita, Voodood's, and Cysts

[dense ferry]

Why did you put two i's

[drowsy plank]

bleach ball?

[golden sonnet]

yes

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bleach_Ball

[golden sonnet]

wtf.

[dense ferry]

This will kill me

[golden sonnet]

my bad, thanks for correcting me, idk why you would ever need that but I guess it exists

[drowsy plank]

wait

[royal tapir]

Okay

[drowsy plank]

anti hive and tumor are already before their bosses

[royal tapir]

Bye Rebecca

[drowsy plank]

they're just 5 evil bars + water bottle

[drowsy plank]

hive and perf spawn blockers are already avaliable before killing them 🤨

[golden sonnet]

All spawnblockers are

[drowsy plank]

one to block natural goblins/pirates would be nice tho

oh they're talking like they aren't already super early in progression

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it's preboss

[drowsy plank]

yeah so idk what they're asking

maybe fandom moment?

[grizzled dome]

No. What I mean is that I entirely misremembered the recipe for sirenproof earmuffs 🤦

[drowsy plank]

it did get changed a lot lol

[grizzled dome]

I thought it still took life shards, tbh.

On a tangentially related note, which doesn't really go anywhere since it's probably a known issue which will be fixed incidentally by other stuff: I wish spawnblockers worked in multiplayer. Although I'm not even sure what that'd mean. Block relevant spawns in an area around you? Only if everybody on the server has one? I don't even know what correct behavior would be.

[drowsy plank]

they do that that's how they work

it only works around you and if everyone has one. which is how a lot of cal stuff works. like acid rain and sulphuric poisoning in the sulph sea

[grizzled dome]

Alright. I seem to remember it not working in the past, but maybe I'm just out of date.

[drowsy plank]

the problem is usually other people still existing lol

[north oracle]

agreed

what are we talking about

[north oracle]

@scenic trout please read the suggestions document don'ts before making a suggestion

[small timber]

and that goes to #1052323733961977947 yes

[north oracle]

^

[glass arch]

oh thats a bug

same thing happened to me last time a meteor dropped and i figured it was just shitty luck

[north oracle]

i mean

it shouldn't happen, it doesn't mean it's doing something unintended

that little ore existing shouldn't be a thing tho

[small timber]

I thought their sunken sea generated on the surface

[glass arch]

that one there is definitely a bug because unless you have the most shit luck on the planet 2 meteors wouldnt fall in that small of a gap

[glass arch]

[north oracle]

XD

it seems like that sort of location should benifit from being made invalid

[glass arch]

it absolutely would

[north oracle]

which
may bring this back into the realm of suggestions

[glass arch]

it might be a bug, ive seen a few (havent counted) posts where people have said the regular meteor has fallen directly into the astral meteor

#general-media message #help-advice-read-pins message these are the only ones ive found in my very shit finding attempts but it does bring up the question of if its a bug

[small timber]

I think what happened was either that the meteor drop somehow is partially spawned with meteorite instead of astral ore

OR

it is so coincidential that they have a normal meteor dropped afterwards right at the spot where the astral meteor is, deleting the astral ores

[north oracle]

i think it's a second meteor falling on top of the first meteor

[glass arch]

yeah, its a second falling on top of the first

i dont have the game open rn (plus i mined the meteorite already 💀) but same thing happened to me

[glass arch]

#general-media message well heres another

[north oracle]

that was the guy in #suggestions-posting tbf

[glass arch]

oh lao

see i dont check names or pfps much

[north oracle]

[versed estuary]

You should

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Cosmic Elemental]

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[Introduce more clear and/or cinematic phase transitions.]

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[north oracle]

decent batch ngl

[vagrant spindle]

second one's based

[fervent orbit]

most of these are based

[north oracle]

just needs to also get rox a buff

1st one is so based tho

[cobalt pewter]

@solid skiff read the doc in this message #suggestions-discussion message

particularly on the "Bad Suggestions Practice" section

[small timber]

you ping the person who made the suggestion to change the suggestion rather than you make one yourself yes

[solid skiff]

e

tried explaining what they meant

mb

[cobalt pewter]

tell them to explain themselves better instead of chaining their sugg with your own

or just make the suggestion yourself without the need to be connected to their sugg

[solid skiff]

eh too late now innit

it'll probably just be deleted

[north oracle]

they've also been told rather thourougly to change their sugg lmao

[undone holly]

so, for the astral meteor one, does the world generate a meteor and then replace it with astral ore, which sometimes fails to happen? I mean like how does the half astral meteor happen?

[bright crag]

The half astral meteor happens when a regular meteor crashes on the same location as the Astral meteor

[random talon]

You know how meteors can't land within 50 blocks of chests with items? maybe the same code should be implemented for Astral Ore?

[buoyant idol]

Legitimately a really easy fix for such an annoying problem

[glass arch]

oh shit

[random talon]

congrats!

[glass arch]

i dont think its gonna go through dev considering a resprite for cosmic elemental banner was just accepted but you never know

[dense ferry]

It is being renamed too

[glass arch]

wait what

[random talon]

:O

[worthy fiber]

NOOOO elemental lore over

[dense ferry]

Cosmic Elemental isn't one anymore exactly because of that

[lucid flare]

what about earth elemental

[undone cedar]

@green roost read the suggestion rules
This is a specific item suggestion, lacks all reasoning, and is not properly formatted

[cobalt pewter]

@green roost

1. Incorrect format
2. SIS
3. No reasoning
4. Wait for weaponout lite to be ported to tmod 1.4
   read doc in pinned message (or here #suggestions-discussion message)

[grim tusk]

WeaponOutLite is dead

ArmamentDisplay isnt tho

[cobalt pewter]

it's on porting progress

[grim tusk]

[green roost]

Is it even worth remaking it or do I give up

[grim tusk]

Give up

[cobalt pewter]

🤷‍♂️ give up ig

[grim tusk]

That sugg broke several rules

[green roost]

sorry

[hollow ridge]

It's in the rules to read pins tbf

Iir

Yeah it is

[cobalt pewter]

I think I'll start getting used to linking the pinned comment because some people (in general) just cannot read

plus discord changed message links so that it doesn't look ass

[hollow ridge]

Meh I don't particularly like the new change

It links to the channel

Not to the direct message

[cobalt pewter]

wdym

nah message link works fine for me

#suggestions-discussion message

[fervent orbit]

we should ban people who dont read pins

[hollow ridge]

What does it look like for you

[cobalt pewter]

yeah same

try clicking on it

[hollow ridge]

Yeah no it links to pinkies message

But

#suggestions-discussion

Looks similar

[cobalt pewter]

is that the exact same link

[hollow ridge]

No it's the channel link

lol

[cobalt pewter]

oh

[fervent orbit]

a

huh

stopped working for me

[cobalt pewter]

my point was that message links now can actually be presented to the casual users of the platform

instead of being a long string of random ass numbers

[fervent orbit]

its more presentable

[warped sandal]

I think it only works for mobile

a

Yea idk

[fervent orbit]

nah it was working for me fine yesterday

[warped sandal]

So its just "whenever it feels like it"

[glass arch]

it was rolled back as a whole

something something too easy for scammers with the link thing

[fervent orbit]

oh

yea makes sense

since you could <> the link

but there is also a giant ass disclaimer when u click on a link

[drowsy plank]

looking over the next batch of suggs and it sure is a shame we're going from a batch of pretty solid ones to a batch of pretty mediocre ones

[wide river]

It is rather unfortunate.
It's just because a lot of "technically not invalid but still aren't great" suggestions appeared and somehow got a lot of votes

[drowsy plank]

such is the nature of calcord

[buoyant idol]

Well the ambrosial ampoule is in there, I say that’s a win

[wide river]

Like the Deep Diver one
We brought up how it'd be a balancing nightmare and also just detract from the Deep Diver's originality so many times and it still went into voting

[drowsy plank]

cannot wait to watch it get rejected by devs immediately 🙏

[drowsy plank]

true

[buoyant idol]

Where is the batch start line?

[wide river]

There's an image in the pins that helps visualize it

[buoyant idol]

Ok, thanks

Wait, it says no videos above 8mb, but discord allows 25 mb now, should that be amended?

[frosty trellis]

It probably should be

@hollow shell Since discord has updated the nitro-less upload limit to 25mb now, shouldn't the rule be amended to anything less than 25 mb for the bot now?

[buoyant idol]

Should the dev who posted the reactions be pinged too?

She’s online

Ig I’ll wait till rover gets here

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure this is a bot issue

so more appropriate to be directed to the bot dev

@inland saddle is it possible to up the filesize limit on the suggbot to 25mb due to recent Discord change with non-Nitro filesize? (8mb -> 25mb)

[inland saddle]

Should be, will double check bots can actually use that and then implement it

There are some other updates to make too but my time has been extremely limited lately

[wide river]

Just whenever you have the chance, there's no rush

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message why the fuck did this get into voting?

Like its a fucking vanilla config already

[cobalt pewter]

wasn't there a test before that resulted in modded backgrounds being unable to be disabled?

idk I vaguely read it here but I didn't pay attention

[grim tusk]

Wait was there?

Pretty sure they just disappear with the vanilla config too

And if it doesnt happen that sounds like a Tml bug

[glass arch]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-discussion message

yeah here

def sounds like tmod bug

so it's odd that it went to voting regardless

but not because it can be done already

[glass arch]

i checked as soon as the person said it doesnt work with modded bgs
it might have something to do with the shaders applied to the bgs?

[cobalt pewter]

but because it's not likely that cal alone can fix it

[glass arch]

it seems to only disable clouds when you turn bgs off and go in modded biomes

[grim tusk]

Yea it should have gotten exclamed and killed

Cuz its a bug

Which is not even ours

@hollow shell could you kill #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

i deleted it, just didn't have confirmation if it was a bug or a tmod thing or what so i let it go at the time

[hybrid steeple]

wait a second
my sugg has been resubmitted so many times
it was approved one time but its been stuck in hell i guess

[wide river]

304 stars, wow

[hybrid steeple]

its been submitted 6 times in total

and now on this one its hovering just below 20%

[drowsy plank]

sounds like this belongs in frequently sugg'd too lmfao

@hollow shell sorry for all the pings but i think 7 submissions is probably enough for it to qualify

[hybrid steeple]

tbf the other four times were just one guy trying to get it in

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hybrid steeple]

*5

[drowsy plank]

it already passed regardless so

[wide river]

In my opinion, 10+ times is "frequently suggested" worthy

[drowsy plank]

lol just found out one of my suggestion ideas was already suggested like a year ago;
#suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

Shhhhhhhh no one has to know

[small timber]

Now the important question is: does the suggestion require some form of ILEdit which might cause the biome to spawn in pillars while at the same time also slicing your entire game into half

[drowsy plank]

they let it pass into voting once before and vanilla does it in 1.4.4 but i can't use that as a basis so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gray nebula]

wym vanilla does it in 1.4.4

[drowsy plank]

in the uh
in gfb hallowed spawns in a pillar on jungle side (aka on top of the aether)

so it's definetly possible code wise

[gray nebula]

oh ic

i thought it was smth like no custom seed

[drowsy plank]

nah

i wish lmao

[gray nebula]

tbh with the corrupt mud stuff i dont think its the worst

[drowsy plank]

yeah corrupt mud exists but it does mean u need to axe of purity the jungle to get the drops, and it doesn't really solve the No Surface Hallow issue

[gray nebula]

i mean just ask to make more options to cleanse the world

[drowsy plank]

plus it's always been super weird to me that the underground evil/hallow isn't like. under the surface evil/hallow
it was super unintiutive the first time i played

[gray nebula]

like moving clent & purity solution to the mechanic like how teleporters were moved

[silver pike]

hey why was fighting the flying slime sphear in slime god removed?

[glass arch]

it sucked iirc

plus theming with queen slime

[drowsy plank]

i guess but steampunker used to be preMech and i felt like that was a fine solution, but that got changed for some reason, plus it's taking away something that was already pretty iconic for her, and mechanic's shop is pretty bloated as is, so im not really sure what id do

also tbh it's still REALLY annoying to clear out when it's all slanted and it doesn't address my other problems

[silver pike]

how was fighting him having to do somthing with queen slime

[drowsy plank]

queen slime is slime god

in lore

after she got a new vessel made from hallowed energy

you kill the core in her fight

[gray nebula]

i mean idk make her pre mech again ig

[silver pike]

man....i need to learn the lore

[gray nebula]

i didnt even know it was changed back

[drowsy plank]

sadly i cannot suggest that because of anti-reversion clauses for this channel 💀
it's something that's been talked about possibly removing but idk

[gray nebula]

oh

kidna weirdge

i thought the anti revision thing was more so like for really direct reversals

i mean usaully at least ud get an explanation why

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean i guess i could ping a dev and ask

ill prolly wait til this fails in voting at least before doing so

cause ig have steampunk earlier would allow the hallow problem to be fixed a bit more easily but i think it is still just a symptom of a larger issue with how terraria generates the hardmode evils that moving steampunk was a bandaid to

[glass arch]

"it was super unintuitive the first time i played" sums up a good bunch of terraria

[drowsy plank]

at least cal makes an attempt at fixing such things

[buoyant idol]

Isn't there a pillar evil mod? I saw it for 1.3, not sure about 1.4

[drowsy plank]

ive never seen it lol

[bright crag]

I think an ideal scenario would be the Hallow/Evil spawn in columns; the Hallow spawned somewhere, and the Evil spawned on top of an existing evil biome

Unfortunately, we aren't in the ideal scenario

[drowsy plank]

i mean is there any reason that wouldn't work? that's basically what im proposing

[jolly galleon]

On the same topic, my hallow always gets nuked by astral, and my snow biome gets nuked by astral+evil

In my last playthru my hallow was like 15 blocks wide

[keen zodiac]

same

half my surface snow and most of the underground snow got completely fucked by astral and corruption

[north oracle]

@ashen warren This reads like a suggestion made for the sake of being a reference, which is a suggestion don't. While it's a decent idea it needs more reasoning than just because it's in MGRR. In fact, you shouldn't mention the reference component at all.

[ashen warren]

Apologies.

[north oracle]

alg, it's a decent idea but it needs to be rewritten a bit lol

[bright crag]

I do not know

We'll see

There were some discussions in dev about it

[undone holly]

for me its always jungle / hallow mix, so I get no hallow, snow gets nuked by world evil, and astral barely generates at all

[ripe owl]

Small World players' imaginary problems

[tired haven]

the problems aren't imaginary
the players are tho

[undone holly]

me playing on medium

doesnt calamity have a warning to not use a small world though?

[tired haven]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

that's why terraria players are dumbasses

they ain't even real to begin with!

[buoyant idol]

On mobile so I can’t suggest right now, but what about a thick navystone shell for the edges of the Sunken sea? It makes the transition from the underground less jarring and it encourages going through the underground desert to get in where there’d be no shell.

The sunken sea lab was always kind of odd in how it could be in the underground and not in the sea

[golden sonnet]

And prevents all the water draining

[drowsy plank]

these are all solid ideas tbh

[buoyant idol]

That too, I didn’t know if that was an issue

[drowsy plank]

kinda like how the desert has a shell of sand

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps some sea prism veins in it too?

[golden sonnet]

It fills itself back up, but still results in a bunch of flooded caves. Certain particularly fucked worldgen can lead to the water going all the way to hell and preventing it from ever filling