suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

reworking most broadswords into not usestyle1 swords is cool

[grim tusk]

Im back what the hell happe…

[drowsy plank]

hi shade =)

[dense ferry]

Because it CONCLUDES THE ANKH SHIELD CRAFTING TREE

[wide river]

Discussions

[swift wharf]

yes i need godslayer inferno after the boss that inflicts godslayer inferno

immunity

[drowsy plank]

godslayer surge when

[wide river]

• Words dreamt up by the utterly deranged

[dense ferry]

I love crafting trees that span most of the game and make accessories that define your journey!!!

[swift wharf]

ankh shield shouldn't even be in valor in the first place

[dense ferry]

IT SHOULD

[wide river]

The funny thing is that was what started this whole discussion

[drowsy plank]

ahahahahahaha

[swift wharf]

mf already has a ram

[dense ferry]

Yeah but

[dense ferry]

.

[crude geode]

Cringe

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-o-guilty-gear-strive-strive-guilty-gear-goodbye-gif-23647813

[swift wharf]

I LOVE NOT HAVING BUILD VARIETY BECAUSE OF FUNNY SHIELD ACCESSORIES

[crude geode]

So true

[swift wharf]

mmmm i love when funny ram is better than literally every dash

[wide river]

That's probably for the best

[dense ferry]

TAKING OUT THE ANKH SHIELD WON'T CHANGE A SINGLE THING

[wide river]

WHY ARE WE SCREAMING

[swift wharf]

oh ik i just don't like it thwre

[dense ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901927888209711138/1059561218601398362/calamitous.gif

[swift wharf]

ankh charm needs a revive

[dense ferry]

I have a crippling disease called "being unable to react to stuff without images"

[crude geode]

True??????

[drowsy plank]

ankh charm revive is still one of those cool ideas that i know will never happen

[crude geode]

It’s underpowered it needs it

[swift wharf]

then remove it in ankh shield

[drowsy plank]

PFFT

[swift wharf]

😈

[drowsy plank]

oh right yeah remove the revive

[dense ferry]

No remove the Ankh Charm from the recipe

[drowsy plank]

i read that as removing the. ankh charm from ankh shield

okay but it was VERY funny to imagine that

[swift wharf]

ankh shield is fucking silly anyway

[drowsy plank]

it's now made of uhhhhhhh
desert drops

[dense ferry]

In turn make Ankh Shield craftable from using a Pharaoh Set

[glass arch]

i left
for 2 minutes
what the fuck has this turned into

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

ankh shield is peak instant upgrade shenanigans

[drowsy plank]

all of those immunity accessory upgrades are in vanilla

[crude geode]

No that would be Master Ninja Gear

[drowsy plank]

at least cal lets you get them sooner

[glass arch]

just make it use mythril anvil tbh ngl iirc

[dense ferry]

Anyways thankfully the server isn't dying right guys?

[drowsy plank]

so true

of course

we're so sane

[glass arch]

the server isnt dying but we are

[dense ferry]

Because it would be REALLY funny if the three Trial Moderators currently online were just shitting and giggling on sugg disc while CMT was being funny

[crude geode]

The place is a cess pit even with moderators iirc

[swift wharf]

trial moderator you're confusing me I'm a trying odometer

[glass arch]

ok yeah theres someone in there asking people to stab them

[dense ferry]

THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING HAPPENING 😭😭

[glass arch]

i hardly go into cmt anymore

[fervent orbit]

BRO I STOP CHECKING HERE EVERY MINUTE AND THERES A CONVERSATION

😢

[crude geode]

lmao

lol even

[wide river]

Final tally of debuff immunity accessories:
Abyssal Amulet, Dynamo Stem Cells, Dragon Scales, Eldritch Soul Artifact, Frost Flare, Lumenous Amulet, Nuclear Rod, Nucleogenesis, Old Duke's Scales, Plague Hive, Rusty Medallion, Star-Tainted Generator, Statis' Curse, The First Shadowflame, Void of Extinction, Abbadon, Abyssal Diving Suit, Alchemical Flask, Ambrosial Ampoule, Astral Arcanum, Corrupt Flask, Crimson Flask, Flame-Licked Shell, Giant Tortoise Shell, Hide of Astrum Deus, Honey Dew, Living Dew, The Absorber, The Sponge, and The Transformer

[drowsy plank]

huh

[digital hatch]

Wheee

[drowsy plank]

i feel like this should probably be a category on the wiki tbh

[swift wharf]

add everything to aegis

it should

[glass arch]

all of them go into aegis

[frosty trellis]

No

[wide river]

That would've made this SO much easier

[fervent orbit]

you should list wat they give immunity to

[wide river]

Are you challenging me?

[glass arch]

actually no
they all go into rampart

[glass arch]

[frosty trellis]

Don't add every debuff immunity to aegis

[fervent orbit]

possibly

[wide river]

You're on

[frosty trellis]

NONONONONONONONOKONONO

[glass arch]

give it to rampart because that thing totally needs more shit

[fervent orbit]

give it to an eventual hero shield upgrade

[frosty trellis]

THAT'S SOMEHOW WORSE

[fervent orbit]

[frosty trellis]

YES

THANK YOU

[fervent orbit]

actually wait

thats a fucking sick idea

just something that houses all of the debuff immunity

[glass arch]

hero shield
i didnt even know that existed

[frosty trellis]

Just make heros pure defensive

Aegis ram with some benefits

Rampart utility

Easy

[fervent orbit]

remove ankh shield from aegis and replace it with just cobalt shield

rampart defensive

[frosty trellis]

Honestly yes

[frosty trellis]

I mean kinda but it doesn't need more defensive shit than it already has

[glass arch]

and give it to rampart yes

[frosty trellis]

NONONONONO

[fervent orbit]

actually

wait

[frosty trellis]

Jacob I'm about to murder you

[glass arch]

god i have an unhealthy habit of giving mpg an aneurysm

[crude geode]

It’s fine

They deserve it they’re a wannabe tester

[glass arch]

hi about to murder you, imjacob

[fervent orbit]

MPG DO U WANT TO BE MY SHAYMIN

[frosty trellis]

I can't even be mad at that
That was great

[fervent orbit]

and im just some noob here

[wide river]

Grants immunity to Crush Depth, Dragonfire, Electrified, Whispering Death, Chilled, Frozen, Frostburn, Irradiated, Shadowflame, Poisoned, Venom, Sulphuric Poisoning, Plague, Burning, On Fire!, Brimstone Flames, Searing Lava, Cursed Inferno, Burning Blood, Astral Infection, Holy Flames, Armor Crunch

[glass arch]

the ULTIMATE addition to rampart, clearly

[fervent orbit]

no

[frosty trellis]

Dies of an unhealthy dose of Aneurysms

[fervent orbit]

if you think about it vanilla has 3 main shields (if u dont count cthulhu)

ankh, hero and frozzen

[crude geode]

Anyways has anyone discussed why the fuck someone is using fucking CMT as reasoning for their sugg

[glass arch]

4 if you count paladin shield

[wide river]

Surprisingly not

[glass arch]

actually its not

[drowsy plank]

wait what

[fervent orbit]

because thats where it was first sent

its their own video

[glass arch]

its a link to a video they posted in cmt

[drowsy plank]

oh it's just a vid link yeah

[crude geode]

Just

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[crude geode]

Resend the video in posting

[frosty trellis]

That's discord for ya

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

True though

Discord just updated the nitroless upload limit from 8 MB to 25 MB

So file size becomes much less of an issue now

Since the bot can send anything up to 25 MB with no issues now and safely

[wide river]

Does it really?

[frosty trellis]

Should yeah

[crude geode]

We should just buy the bot nitro

[golden sonnet]

Actually good discord change?

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

The reason stuff with over 8 MB's wasn't allowed prior was because the bot sometimes just shat itself sending larger files to dev so it stopped itself from doing so

But with the 25 MB limit that gives a lot of wiggle-room

Or at least, that's what I've heard

[fervent orbit]

HEH

[glass arch]

yeah they did

[fervent orbit]

good

[dense ferry]

@young arrow shut up

[young arrow]

I'm sorry

Mi little brother

He study spanish

I thing that he is gay

[glass arch]

that relates how exactly

[hollow ridge]

🤨

[wide river]

I probably shouldn't mention this, but they made another somewhat weird message the other day, it also translates to something not appropriate

[dense ferry]

Actually this is the second time you post something like this?

Yeah I just saw that

Warn it is!

[toxic basalt]

CMT?

[wide river]

Calamity Mod Talk

Or, as some people call it, the worst channel in this server

[dense locust]

2nd worst*

[toxic basalt]

oh I see

they thought I had made the suggestion based off of someone else's post in #calamity-mod-talk

I have an idea to solve this

there I replaced the redirect with the actual video link instead

[errant bobcat]

Only behind #suggestions-posting because discord users don’t know how to read

[toxic basalt]

*most don't, probably

I mean at least I do

[errant bobcat]

Ye you were following rules as far as I could tell, it just better to have an embed

[toxic basalt]

yeah, which I managed to put in

[frosty trellis]

No CMT is worse bc CMT has more of the shit suggestions that go through #suggestions-posting and less of the good ones

While also being a very.... Interesting chat in terms of how people act

[toxic basalt]

it's a can of worms

[errant bobcat]

Hmm

[glass arch]

i mean hey at least its not weavercord or hypnoscord

[toxic basalt]

...what are those like?

[glass arch]

ok well imagine cmt

now take a bunch of the better people, everquartz, and YuH and stick them in a server

thats hypnoscord

[errant bobcat]

#general-media is fun chat where half the time it’s just us talking about battle cats but the other half is people not reading channel desc and ignoring the bright red stop signs

[toxic basalt]

who are everquartz and YuH?

[glass arch]

and then weavercord is the same but slightly worse

[glass arch]

ok have you ever heard of femboy dog

everquartz is the person who drew him

YuH is the calvan, hypnos mod, and ccr owner

plus a cal dev

[frosty trellis]

Hypnoscord is fine for the most part
Weavercord? Oh god that's for Doze's weaver mod is it?

[glass arch]

nah

its for weaver in general

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[glass arch]

but it kinda functions as the home base for doze's weaver and town slug mods, though without hardly any new people

[wide river]

@weary ledge As good of a suggestion as that is, I believe you need some more reasoning to it

[weary ledge]

Fair

[serene tendon]

@toxic basalt This is unnecessary. You can either play it safe and assume every BH is a fast one, or you can take chances, like you seem to be doing. I haven't done any nohitting, but risky play doesn't seem like the route to success.

[wide river]

That looks better thank you

[toxic basalt]

for a boss like Yharon, who is all about patterns, this shouldn't be the case

[serene tendon]

I feel somewhat neutral about the idea itself, but I think you need to give more reasoning than "oh I can't get up close every other BH in a nohit noooooooo"

[toxic basalt]

also, he barely gives you time to react to a consecutive BH once he's finished his two dashes

[toxic basalt]

what?

What happened was I had just dealt with a fast BH, avoided his 2 dashes, went up, grappled briefly, only for him to do yet another fast BH

[drowsy plank]

jesus christ
how did no one say anything about the deep diver suggestion

[serene tendon]

They did

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[serene tendon]

Enchilada did

[glass arch]

it was posted a grand total of 5 minutes ago

[drowsy plank]

true

i just

deep diver is strong enough to justify water arenas by itself

[toxic basalt]

my whole strat is to get away from the BHs, but I was given pretty much no time to move away from the 2nd fast BH

[wide river]

I had mentioned it when it was a single sentence
Once it got longer, I left it alone

[drowsy plank]

yeah i meant even after that that just sounds

ugh idk i guess it gives it a purpose on land

still idk

[glass arch]

deep diver as a whole relies on water arenas
theres like... one other accessory and an armor set that incentivize water arenas
id say incentivizing things like that is a good thing because it incentivizes you to change up the way you play the game

[serene tendon]

I agree

[toxic basalt]

(and one mount)

[serene tendon]

True

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah im saying proccing that in rain kind of ruins that

[serene tendon]

But it turns way too slow imo

[glass arch]

if it works in rain its... just another dash accessory, but instead of having a ram or dodge or a bonk it has some extra defensive buffs

[glass arch]

which one

cute fishron?

[drowsy plank]

cute fish i assume yeah

[serene tendon]

ye

[wide river]

There's actually a lot of accessories that incentivize water arenas
Leviathan Ambergris, Abyssal Diving Suit, Aquatic Heart, just to name a few

[serene tendon]

I'd say let it function at 50% effectiveness in rain. Maybe that'd be too weak though

[drowsy plank]

yeah i guess

[wide river]

Actually no those are the only other ones

[serene tendon]

Not counting downgrades, anyway

[glass arch]

oh yeah abyssal suit and aquatic heart exist

[frosty trellis]

"Make deep diver work in rain"

Counterpoint: No

That would be

Kinda Broken

[north oracle]

would be kinda cool tho

[drowsy plank]

would it

[frosty trellis]

No

[drowsy plank]

it'd just crush all competitors

[north oracle]

well yeah

it would be really dumb

[glass arch]

it takes away the uniqueness of the accessory too

[toxic basalt]

How to make Deep Diver useful: Make a boss that you have to fight underwater- oh wait we have one already

[north oracle]

you'd just wait for rain before every fight

[serene tendon]

I fully agree now. Instead of something that encourages special arenas, it'd just be waiting for rain

[north oracle]

it definitely shouldn't happen

[frosty trellis]

#suggestions-posting / #suggestions-discussion try to not give my balancing ass an aneurysm challenge: (Impossible)

[drowsy plank]

so true

[wide river]

Do we? Which one?

[toxic basalt]

Adult Eidolon Wyrm

[north oracle]

there aren't any bosses that you have to fight underwater

[frosty trellis]

A superboss is a boss

[drowsy plank]

it aint a superboss

[wide river]

AEW isn't a superboss

[north oracle]

didn't he have that removed too?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[north oracle]

and he was explicitly made not a boss

[frosty trellis]

He has the boss tag removed ye

[toxic basalt]

AEW is just an optional boss

[drowsy plank]

but tbh it's still useful for abyss

[toxic basalt]

or idk

[frosty trellis]

Hidden enemy that's extremely powerful

[wide river]

He's now just back to being "Dungeon Guardian of the Abyss", in a way

[serene tendon]

AEW is just Calamity's version of the Warden

[drowsy plank]

water gear i mean

[north oracle]

yeah, deep diver is good for abyss exploration anyway

[frosty trellis]

Ghost Leviathan*

[glass arch]

change the #suggestions-discussion to @glass arch and its more correct

[toxic basalt]

and way cooler at that

[serene tendon]

?

[north oracle]

subnautica reference

[wide river]

Subnautica moment

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[north oracle]

i need to finish that game

[drowsy plank]

i imagine water gear must be really useful for infernum abyss in particular due to it's increased difficulty

[wide river]

Why are you still here

[frosty trellis]

AEW's trivia page literally says it has inspiration from the Ghost Leviathan

[young arrow]

I don't now

[wide river]

I'm not even translating that because I know it's inappropriate

[serene tendon]

That's definitely very debatable, but I think the Warden is way cooler, and just plain better, because it actually adds something to the game. It isn't just "don't RoD in the Abyss or else"

[young arrow]

I don't know*

I love toys

[toxic basalt]

it is

[north oracle]

unsurprisingly

[glass arch]

to be fair
the warden is pretty much "Dont uncrouch in the deep dark or else"

[frosty trellis]

It looks innocent on the surface but with context clues based on this mans message history yeah it's not great

[north oracle]

his history

[toxic basalt]

no I literally google translated it

[frosty trellis]

That's what I did as well

[serene tendon]

No? There are other things that you have to do in the Deep Dark that make vibrations. Placing blocks, opening chests, etc

[glass arch]

le fishe au chocolat

[drowsy plank]

can anyone tell if i actually timed him out

mobile discord is shit

[wide river]

Looks it

[toxic basalt]

can you not see the little clock next to their name?

[frosty trellis]

How would we be able to figure out?

[glass arch]

such as attack anything
or open chests
or do almost literally anything gameplay-wise without way too much wool on hand

[drowsy plank]

i cant but he isnt talking and mobile discord is ass. idk keep an eye out ig imma go message another mod

[wide river]

Here's what it looks like for me, I don't know if that's how timeouts look to non-mods

[swift wharf]

they left the server

[wide river]

In any case, should probably move on from this

[frosty trellis]

They did?

Damn

[serene tendon]

Well, no mobs spawn in the Deep Dark besides the Warden, so you need not worry about that first one. And with the others, yeah, you have to make sure the coast is clear first. It's hard, dangerous and nerve-racking, because a couple mistakes and you're dead.

[frosty trellis]

Says they're still here on my end but zamn

Oh NVM checked mutual

They left

Dang

[serene tendon]

I just wish there was an actual reason to go there

[serene tendon]

Better than him earning a ban

[toxic basalt]

yes, let us move back to Yharon and Deep Diver discussions

[drowsy plank]

i wish the abyss actually incentivized water gear a bit more but idk

it might become annoying at that point

[toxic basalt]

I mean

how could it?

[drowsy plank]

if the enemies were a bit more challenging ig

[glass arch]

give a move speed reduction thats more than the base water ms reduction?

[drowsy plank]

that would certainly do
something

idk shit's weird

[serene tendon]

@toxic basalt Even assuming you didn't get away because you didn't have time to fully, looking at the footage, what you faced was definitely dodgeable. If you'd have kept flying at the same altitude you'd have been fine.

[worldly sparrow]

hey so whats being discussed right now

[wide river]

Considering there's already the breath requirement and the light level thing, I think adding a third level of gear requirements might get annoying

[wide river]

Deep Diver/Water movement

[serene tendon]

Make you move like a snail without it?

[toxic basalt]

you're forgetting that Yharon exists and that he can teleport

[serene tendon]

How?

[toxic basalt]

if I had somewhat managed to get away I still wouldn't have enough room to then avoid 2 dashes from yharon

all the dust balls would be in the way

[serene tendon]

We might be talking about different parts of the footage

[toxic basalt]

if

His pattern in SP7 is 2 dashes, then BH and repeat

and he does his dashes very shortly after doing his BH

[glass arch]

thats more of an issue with yharons bullet hells lasting for a bit too long or him dashing a bit too soon

[toxic basalt]

no because the main strat is to stay far from the BHs

I couldn't because he did a 2nd Fast BH right above me just as I grappled to reset my wing time

if it was a slow BH, which it very much could of been, I would of lived

the fact the outcome could of been very different if he had just decided to do the slow BH says something

that is why it's bad that his BH choices aren't also a pattern

for a boss that's all about patterns

why is this so hard for people to understand

[edgy sundial]

the pattern is that a (slow or fast) BH is followed by a (slow or fast) BH. you mistakenly assumed the patten was a (fast) BH followed by a (slow) BH, which got you killed and salty.
if you'd understood the pattern correctly, you would have lived

[toxic basalt]

what you just described contradicts a pattern

because there's a 50% chance on each BH

that's a strong level of RNG for a pattern

you can't assume at all with SP7

[edgy sundial]

correct, i'm glad you're understanding the point

[toxic basalt]

and that's a bad thing

[edgy sundial]

how so? if the fight is fully deterministic, it turns into a rhythm game

[toxic basalt]

what?

[edgy sundial]

you want the fight to be deterministic

[toxic basalt]

No, I want a fight to be fair and consistent

[edgy sundial]

it is fair and consistent

[toxic basalt]

no it isn't

[edgy sundial]

BH -> BH

[toxic basalt]

omfg

[edgy sundial]

don't get caught with your pants down right when one's about to start

[toxic basalt]

I give up

[errant bobcat]

Both of you have a point

[toxic basalt]

can't fucking reason with anyone on anything

[errant bobcat]

But I say make bullet hells even more random

[edgy sundial]

i mean, it's clearly everyone except you who's wrong, obviously. everyone is the one who can't be reasoned with, not you

[toxic basalt]

no. Do not turn this into that kind of situation

[edgy sundial]

why not? you're the one who disagrees with everyone else, and you're insistent that they're all wrong. how else would you describe that situation, if you're not the one who's right?

[toxic basalt]

Everyone keeps assuming I'm sort of fucking psychic who should of known he would do a 2nd fast BH right after the other fast BH

and that there's no need for them to also be consistent

[edgy sundial]

right, so you want the fight to be deterministic. all outcomes known beforehand

the opposite of random

[toxic basalt]

right

[dense ferry]

Try to keep this civil, please

[edgy sundial]

might i suggest guitar hero, then? it sounds more like the kind of game you're looking for

[dense ferry]

Chill, stop throwing these passive aggressive comments at each other.

[edgy sundial]

i promise i'm not trying to be passive aggressive, he wants a deterministic game, i'm suggesting one

[toxic basalt]

I'm not looking to play another game

[edgy sundial]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic basalt]

I just want Yharon to have a fully consistent attack pattern on SP7 so it then actually matches his 6 other subphases

[frosty trellis]

Which is fair and something I agree with

Since every other subphase has a consistent pattern

[royal tapir]

Yharon has all sorts of randomness anyways

And he has a pattern in SP7

[dense ferry]

I didn't even know there were two different Bullet Hells in his last subphase

The less you know ig

[royal tapir]

It’s just random between the slower kind and the faster kind

[frosty trellis]

The bhs don't
That's the discrepancy

The bhs between fast and slow are random

While in each other subphase it's consistent which one it is

[royal tapir]

The SP6 in question

[frosty trellis]

SP6 is always slow

[royal tapir]

Wrong

[frosty trellis]

???

[royal tapir]

He does fast ones

[toxic basalt]

SP7's desc on the wiki is vague, and says nothing of there being two types

[frosty trellis]

I was messing around in rev earlier and saw only slows regardless of positioning

[dense ferry]

I don't read the wiki

[royal tapir]

I have both in-game experience and the source to back me up

[frosty trellis]

On several different Yharon attempts might I add

[frosty trellis]

Well dang

[toxic basalt]

here

[royal tapir]

You just got unlucky

[frosty trellis]

Yeah apparently

Since SP2-4-5 is always slow
And SP3 is always Fast

From my experience

[royal tapir]

Correct

[fervent orbit]

literally just go into sp6 and start recording his pattern

[frosty trellis]

Didn't realize SP6 was also random but SP6 doesn't have the waytoofuckingdense bhs that sp7 has so it's far more reasonable

[toxic basalt]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

That's what I was doing and letting him kill himself

[fervent orbit]

oh wait yea he does that

[toxic basalt]

I'll probably be doing more Death Yharon attempts tomorrow

seeing if anything more developes

I should probably be happy that in the end I did get a new PB

even if it's as painful as 2%

[small timber]

Sp6 100% have both slow and fast yes, can help confirm

(and sp6 is probably way harder and way more rng than sp7 almost always)

Sp6 slow bh is less densed but it is also followed by more abnoxious pattern afterwards than 2 charges, though I think the worst version is sp5 where it just dump a flare ring in your face, charge and then another bh afterwards

[toxic basalt]

I think I often use Adrenaline when he gets to SP5 to get through it as soon as possible

he does at least one BH each attempt

[small timber]

And I think this hasnt been mentioned yet: death mode is supposed to be the "standard" highest difficulty now, to certain degree it now take the place of malice as the most difficult "intended experience" of the mod (outside of full meme of ftw and gfb), so I dont think having bosses be way harder than usual on death mode is off because Rev is the "intended experience for casual player" where yharon bh as pointed out is much less dense

(and yeah specifically for sp7 there is way to consistently dodge it)

But yeah I dont want to spark another "yharon shouldnt be nerfed" argument when it is done multiple times above already

[toxic basalt]

changing how he does his BHs from being random choice to also being pattern-based isn't really much of a nerf

the BHs themselves would remain largely unchanged

the only difference would be is that now you can properly anticipate the correct one without having to just blindly guess

[small timber]

If it is really not important or not really a nerf then it should be fine to be deal with in its current, random pattern

But yeah this will loop back to what I wanted to avoid again so I will stop here

[toxic basalt]

I mean like his difficulty would largely be intact

[glass arch]

just makes it a bit easier to learn

and up until sp6 you can learn exactly how everything happens

[wide river]

I've given the chat new material, go for it

[golden sonnet]

It would be very cool to make ankh shield line like laudanum is currently, converting debuffs into buffs. This would also make this mechanic usable for non Revengence players

[wide river]

That could work
We'd probably need to make Laudanum's effect weaker or change it entirely if that happens, however

[golden sonnet]

Well if it was an ankh shield upgrade it wouldn't be the same buffs, so the buffs granted by the debuffs could be balanced around that

would also be cool if like, every time you got hit you got a number of random debuffs from the ones it converts, so it would actually be worth it against non debuff bosses, or bosses it doesn't grant "immunity" to

HOLY SHIT, IT JUST HIT ME. I know it would SiS, but an item that makes you immune to the effects of debuffs but makes your debuffs deal more damage based on how many debuffs you have would be sick AF

Like a version of "The transformer" (Immunity to electricity debuffs + increased electricity debuff damage) and Toxic heart (immunity to plague + increased sickness debuff damage) but more universal

could even use them as materials

[wide river]

I've been thinking of making a debuff themed mod at some point, I'll be sure to throw that in if Calamity doesn't do it

[dense ferry]

(The entire point of Asgard's Valor is to be the upgrade line of the Ankh Shield)

[worldly basalt]

how many more debuffs does it protect against?

cause the main use of it is the ram

[grim tusk]

!wiki asgard’s valor

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Asgard's_Valor
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page asgard’s valor for a direct link or !wiki search asgard’s valor for a list of all hits.

[grim tusk]

“Asgard's Valor provides immunity to On Fire!, Bleeding, Broken Armor, Burning, Chilled, Confused, Cursed, Darkness, Frostburn, Poisoned, Stoned, Silenced, Slow, Weak, and Mighty Wind.”

[worldly basalt]

is that any more than standard ankh? seems to be the same

is frostburn on original ankh?

[grim tusk]

Ye its about the same

[wide river]

It adds Frostburn, Mighty Wind, and On Fire! to the debuff immunities

[worldly basalt]

..on fire wasn't already?

[grim tusk]

Nope

[wide river]

Burning is, but not On Fire!

[grim tusk]

It was just the fire block debuff

[lucid flare]

(burning)

(wait you said that already)

[wide river]

Afterwards, once it upgrades into the Asgardian Aegis, it adds Holy Flames and God Slayer Inferno to the mix

So a total of 5 new debuffs are added to the immunity list

[golden sonnet]

am I stupid, or why the hell does magma skull and molten charm both exist

wtf is vanilla doing

[lucid flare]

since the cobalt shield (and its upgrades) are loved so much for its knockback immunity, it ends up t making occult skull crown a little bit bad since they counteract each other

OSC: turns harmful debuss into beneficial versions of them if you get inflicted
aegis: makes players immune to a most of those debuffs

[wide river]

Two separate accessories that are crafted from different combos of components

They do the same thing

...Wait no. They're the same accessories used.
What is vanilla doing indeed

[soft quest]

anyone agree that one of the reaver sets should be used for fishing/alchemy?

like theres building/mining/exploration, then there's movement, then there's tank. Feel like the movment set could be like fishing/gathering/ small calming buff instead and the tank set could increase spawns marginally to be like a farming/tank set. What do you think?

[bright crag]

Quite a bold suggestions
I do give it some credit, because Cal has a lot of debuffs and they're never covered in a major debuff immunity accessory

[golden sonnet]

I personally dislike the niceness of reaver rn, but even I really like this suggestion

[ripe owl]

Eeeh maybe? It's a cool idea and has a bit of merit but does it have any other reasoning than "it's cool"?

I mean, there of course is

[lucid flare]

i mean reaver kinda became a non-standard armor sets

[wide river]

I was thinking about debuffs and how a large portion of them were covered on one or two accessories, as well as a significant amount of them being locked to one or two classes

See: The First Shadowflame being the only way to be immune to Shadowflame aside from Fearmonger armor

[lucid flare]

giving reaver a fishing armor would be cool, they could just slap that onto the set that's already made for mining and building, or they could just bring back one of the removed reaver helmets to make a new one, although that's less likely

[soft quest]

because the only fishing set in the game is angler, which is, 3 defense (shit for trying to fish sometimes) , and the reaver sets seem to be mid-game utility sets that are useful even till endgame when mining and building.

[golden sonnet]

shadowflame weapons exist, but I kinda get what you mean still

[wide river]

Let me reiterate: The only way to be immune to Shadowflame
Weapons don't give immunity to debuffs

[golden sonnet]

oh, I see. Misunderstood

[soft quest]

put ankh in rampart maybe

[ripe owl]

That uh

[wide river]

No
No
No
No
We do not need Rampart being stronger

[ripe owl]

That doesn't solve a lot

[lucid flare]

is rampart really the strongest tank accessory in the game?

i thought that was core of the blood god

[wide river]

Rampart of Deities and Draedon's Heart are tied for that place

[grim tusk]

Yes

[glass arch]

yes

[grim tusk]

Dude be living on 2021

[wide river]

CotBG doesn't come close to Rampart's strength

[glass arch]

better than draedons heart for the singular reason its available earlier

[lucid flare]

i started playing calamity at the end of 2021 😭

[golden sonnet]

Naw, best defensive accessory is the sponge, it combines all the effects of the ambrosial ampule and the absorber

[wide river]

These effects certainly will not change in the near future

[dense locust]

is spong even good? I don't think I've ever actually used it lol

[glass arch]

its mid

not better than cotbg and DEFINITELY not better than rampart

[wide river]

It used to be the ultimate stat stick, but then Ambrosial Ampoule got taken out
Now it's just less of a stat stick

[swift wharf]

it's a dry, dusty sponge now

[dense locust]

wait so now it's just an absorber upgrade? wtf's the point of that

[glass arch]

ultimate stat stick goes to community

[ripe owl]

Back when Sponge and Amalgam had every accessory ever 😔

[glass arch]

no matter what version that thing is literally a stat stick

[wide river]

Because accessories need to be present in every tier of the game, clearly

[dense locust]

right

[golden sonnet]

HotE too

[lucid flare]

nah heart just had the Stones from the Bosses

[glass arch]

yeah

[small timber]

(that is actually very similar to an idea that was came out with before, though with the addition of another shield line involving hero shield that could had been the ankh shield upgrade)

[dense locust]

which is why royal gel gets so many upgrades

[wide river]

That was you, I believe

[golden sonnet]

All the Elementals + all the stones is still a lot

[glass arch]

hote's recipe got, quite literally, cut. in. half. when they took out the stones

[small timber]

ok I definitely could had brought this up again but yeah it is 1 hour already so I will pass
(tldr: SP7 is way easier to learn than SP6)

[wide river]

Thanos reference

[dense locust]

are any stones besides chaos and aero actually good?

[golden sonnet]

No, this is still true

[grim tusk]

That regen it used to have was so fucking fat lmao

[ripe owl]

Cryo stone is just a Tesla potion but needs an accessory slot
Bloom stone? What is that?

[grim tusk]

We should add honey dew back to Absorber

[glass arch]

this gives me an idea for an accessory

[ripe owl]

True

[glass arch]

wait no fuck a suggestion

[small timber]

what is the final stone? I only remember 4 of 5

[glass arch]

fuck i can english

[small timber]

cryo, bloom, aero, chaos

[golden sonnet]

fr, please just kill it. It's ok to let go of the past

[small timber]

the brimstone elemental one?

[dense locust]

yeah

rose stone

so it becomes hote

[wide river]

Bloom, Cryo, Aero, Chaos, and Rose
Rose is now part of a different line, and is still bad

[small timber]

ok yeah to put it simply cryo and bloom are both in my "terrible" accessory list

(and rose probably should had been on there too but since I cant confirm as I never used it by itself so I didnt put it in)

[dense locust]

what does bloom stone even do again?

[ripe owl]

Gorgeous Flower Boots

That's it

[wide river]

Flower Boots... 2!

[ripe owl]

^

[small timber]

and surprisingly the ankh shield suggestion didn't mention the fact that asgard's valor is an ornate shield upgrade that have kb immune; aka it should to certain degree be an "Ornate Shield" upgrade instead of an "Ankh Shield" upgrade, hence justifying the removal of Ankh Shield

[dense locust]

flower boots with grounded regen

awesome

[grim tusk]

Flower boots + philosopher’s stone lol

[dense locust]

nah

[wide river]

It's Flower Boots but Photosynthesis Potion

[dense locust]

flower boots + band of regen

[dense locust]

yeah

just make it like
give you perma sunflower buff or smthn

[golden sonnet]

Sunflower + honey wouldn't be terrible

[ripe owl]

So true Jacob

[glass arch]

i managed to english for once

[wide river]

Okay, Bloom Stone is actually worse than a Photosynthesis Potion by a large margin
Bloom Stone gives +6 life regen at max, and Photosynthesis Potion gives +34 at max

[dense locust]

what the actual fuck

36 is crazy

actually it's still better than photo cause you don't have to be standing still

[wide river]

Normally Photosynthesis gives +6, but it goes up to 34 when at day

[small timber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17SUHBgjAjO2BKks2WkgJ7M4kGQFcCEgRTPhfttLid_o/edit?usp=sharing 90% of accessories on this list probably deserve a rework or buff yeah

[wide river]

I like how a lot of those are "Expert" drops

[dense locust]

avenger emblem is bad mfs when I show them my 126% increased damage post plant:

(it doesn't matter because I have zero defense)

[small timber]

that doesnt make avenger emblem good because it contribute to 12% of the 126% only

and tldr is it could had been 129%, the fact that it is not is absurd

[ripe owl]

True

[drowsy plank]

you could just be using an actually good emblem

like brain

[ripe owl]

[dense locust]

correct.

[hollow shell]

Good shield suggestion Enchilada I agree with it strongly

[wide river]

Really?
It was just a random idea thrown around earlier, I didn't expect it to actually be good

[swift wharf]

valor nerf 😈

[tired haven]

Mage got it right and made celestial emblem out of it

[glass arch]

mage W for once

[hollow shell]

The reasoning on it not fitting the Asgard's line could be stronger, though
It's the most important part of your suggestion yet atm it's basically just one line

[wide river]

Alright, let me see what I can do

[hollow shell]

Elaborate more on the fact that
Ankh Shield is a highly defensive and immunity themed shield
yet the primary purpose of the Asgard line is for its dash / its shield bash, making it a clear successor to Ornate Shield, highly movement-based

Ankh is a big commitment to make and is an important item in vanilla and yet it's kinda "thrown onto" Asgard's in Calamity

Also doing this separation would help to reduce the "everything combines into one endgame item" syndrome that Calamity has been trying to cut back on for a long time
It would increase endgame equipment loadout variety
cuz now you'd have to commit a slot to having a ton of debuff immunities or a really good movement dash, or both
as opposed to just getting one "for free" just for having the other

[wide river]

Alrighty, I'll take that into consideration and start editing in a few minutes

[hollow shell]

👍

[crude geode]

Debuffs in terraria are so fun

Cuz you’ll see them being inflicted by enemies and it’s either powerful (and the community hates it) or does jack shit

and then you see debuffs from players as either ichor or useless

At least cal fixes debuffs from players but imo it could be harsher with how it deals with debuffs from enemies

[small timber]

meanwhile shield of the high ruler probably will have to be nerfed (in immunity provided) too if this gone through since it kind of is basically "alt Asgard's Valor" but it is a donor item

[frosty trellis]

SOTHR is bugged bc ADR itself is bugged

[distant gyro]

acid venom actually does 15 dps to the player

[dense locust]

then both the calamity wiki and the vanilla wiki are wrong

[dense ferry]

i

[dense locust]

lmao

[wide river]

Yippee!
Everything is wrong!

(Maybe not, uncertain)

[small timber]

1 hp/s is 2 health/s (or 2 life regen/s)

[ripe owl]

Check the history part of the page

[small timber]

so yes, 15dps is correct

[ripe owl]

1 health point = 2 health points

[small timber]

actually I might be wrong, it is 2 life regen/s = 1 hp/s, not sure health though since that term is basically only used on debuffs

but since altix said it I assume it is correct

[distant gyro]

admittedly 15 still matches god slayer inferno

so the suggestion isn't farfetched

[ripe owl]

Who would win

[dense locust]

this would imply 15 is indeed correct

with that said, I have a wiki suggestion to make

[ripe owl]

A fiery energy from a god-like being
Or
A consequence of something biting you

Venomous is when you get bitten right?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[dense locust]

already got changed lmao

[ripe owl]

[hollow shell]

Poison is what tree frogs got so you don't eat em
Venom is what snakes got in their teeth so you die when they bite you

[wide river]

A fire that singes even the strongest of warriors, inflicted by one of the most powerful beings currently in Calamity
or
Some spider boi that's too chompy

[ripe owl]

Imagine if DoG was vulnerable to Venom

[tired haven]

Tbh yeah I do think a lethal dose of venom is a more sure way to kill you than 3rd degree burns

[hollow shell]

Well a fire leaves you with 3rd degree burns
We're talking about you being currently on fire

[wide river]

Maybe DoG could be vulnerable to some debuffs
Just so they're not just "Destroyer 2.0" like they used to be where they're immune to literally everything

[ripe owl]

Can you actually burn to ashes if the fire's hot enough?

[tired haven]

It doesn't last for very long so you can't really, die just traumatized

[wide river]

I'm gonna be making some weird searches today

[tired haven]

I'd be surprised if not

[ripe owl]

Glad to help 👍

[hollow shell]

Let me tell you about a little old thing called a nuclear bomb,

[dense locust]

okay edited the sugg with the lower dot in mind

[ripe owl]

[wide river]

Ah perfect, there's a Quora thread on this

[ripe owl]

Quora, the perfect source of answers for the weirdest questions imaginable

[wide river]

Someone says: "If a cadaver is cremated or turned into ashes at around 760 to 982.22 degrees Celsius (1400 - 1800 degrees Fahrenheit) in about 1 - 3 hours, then relatively speaking with elementary computation, and being conservative, we would need approximately 35,359.92 degrees Celsius and a hell of an exhaust fan to reduce the cadaver into ashes in just five minutes. We would need the exhaust to facilitate faster evaporation of all the moisture."

[dense locust]

oh

[ripe owl]

That's some quite unimaginable temperature

35k°C

Not even K

[wide river]

Just for comparison
The surface of the sun is about 5500 Degrees Celsius

[hollow shell]

The surface temperature of the Sun is 5,500 degrees C (though CMEs can get up to 2,000,000 C)
The core is 15,000,000 degrees C

ah you beat me

[ripe owl]

Yeah, can we reach those temperatures on Earth in any conditions?

[hollow shell]

"The temperatures near the site of the bomb blast during the Hiroshima explosion were estimated to be 300,000 degrees Celsius"

[ripe owl]

Yeah okay

[hollow shell]

And yeah I think you can safely say the victims were uhh instantly incinerated

granted there was also a fuckton of kinetic energy to blast them apart, it wasn't just temperature

So now comes the questions of how hot does fantasy magic sci-fi space worm fire burn, or evil accursed red brimstone witch fire, or godly magical draconic dragony dragon fire

[small timber]

you can dodge rainbow by staying in the centre of the rainbow instead of running away

[thorny sapphire]

yes

[small timber]

the problem is less associated with rainbows, but more "attacks that force you to just stay far away from empress"

eg: the "star spew" at phase 2

[thorny sapphire]

everlasting rainbow is one of them only because she can cast it while one is already up

that's the crux of my issue

i'm fine with everlasting rainbow being a thing, i think it adds to the fight greatly

but while she can cast another one while you're already in one the only truly consistent way to dodge it is to not interact with it at all

[small timber]

you can dodge both because rainbow do not fully return to the centre, if you stay in the centre of one you only have to deal with 1 at a time

[thorny sapphire]

they do not fully return to the center, but alot of the times you'll get cornered

[small timber]

and you will have time before the 2nd one return to centre (therefore before you have to deal with it)

[thorny sapphire]

keep in mind you'll still have to dodge prismatic bolts and ethereal lances

the whole time

[small timber]

both of those attack can be dodged within the confined space of the centre of the rainbow, the only 2 (or 1?) I noticed that you definitely cant dodge in the centre of rainbow is this one

sec I had a video at some point

[thorny sapphire]

that's the thing about everlasting rainbow, its more just making her other attacks more deadly

by limiting your movements

[small timber]

ok this one

I mean the attack at 2:12 is definitely one that you cant dodge at the centre space of the rainbow, others you can

[thorny sapphire]

also this is mostly from my experience doing daytime empress

where she does attack faster

i just got a clip of it

[small timber]

daytime empress is (mostly) not considered for balanced, same as nighttime providence

[thorny sapphire]

this can happen in night providence too

night empress* sorry

[small timber]

(daytime) so it will have sometimes overlapping attack and it is a thing that simply will happen

night empress can overlap rainbows but at the sametime it is dodgeable, especially if you are not playing in death (death she attack faster)

[thorny sapphire]

i think it's an incredibly simple change that'll take some rng out of the fight

and while it will mostly affect the hardest versions of her

i think everybody will be able to appreciate the change

i have no problem with empress rotating attacks randomly, it keeps you on your toes imo

but this specific combination just feels unfair

[wide river]

There, I edited my suggestion. Is there anything else that I should mention?

[royal tapir]

I will mention again that Empress is not as random as you think

[drowsy plank]

do we have confirmation on the vanilla attack skipping thing

because it still isn't on the wiki

and frankly

actually knowing what the fuck the AI does would be nice

[wide river]

What's the "vanilla attack skipping thing"

[drowsy plank]

CIT says that empress doesn't not have a pattern, just can just skip one attack from her old pattern

i keep asking people in the wiki channel who have source access to check wtf empress's AI is doing and all i get is silence

it is very annoying

[wide river]

Curious
Very curious
You'd think that wiki people would listen to that stuff

[drowsy plank]

oh okay CIT does have source and that's what he got this from

but id rather just be 100% sure

also no one changed it and im not actually sure how id phrase that

[small timber]

ok eol probably just does not do 2 rainbows in a row at sub10

I just wasted 10 min of my life waiting for it to do 2 rainbows

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[distant gyro]

what confirmation do you need

[drowsy plank]

CIT said they were like 90% sure, i wouldn't mind some info on if the rest of what i wrote for AI was accurate too

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Empress_of_Light

cause i just kind of

spawned her in and stared at her and tried to guess which is

Probably Not A Good Way To Do That

[distant gyro]

sanely reading

[wide river]

Ah yes
Terraria code

[drowsy plank]

when modulo

[dense locust]

I can't tell if these are variables or not and that worries me

[royal tapir]

Yeah iirc it uses some npc.ai variable which increments for every attack, and it modulos using that to determine her next attack
Calamity makes it so there’s a 50% chance it increments by 2 instead of 1

[distant gyro]

that is her phase 1 pattern in numbers form

[ripe owl]

Well that's messed up

[distant gyro]

it is the same thing in calamity

[dense locust]

so

[distant gyro]

(it's copypasted)

[dense locust]

it's only half random

[distant gyro]

this

50% chance she skips 1 attack in the pattern

[dense locust]

so that means theres only 2 attacks that could potentially come next
huh

[drowsy plank]

cool those are hard numbers i can put on the wiki as a sentence

the real comedy funny is if you get that coin flip like 3 times in a row and she does some wacky shit

[distant gyro]

and ethereal lance pattern itself is 50/50

[dense locust]

just say she has a 50% chance to skip an attack and move straight to the next one
words most people would actually understand and is (mostly) whats actually happening

[drowsy plank]

yes that is what it says now, basically

[small timber]

altix may you check what hp % threshold do empress change their attack pattern?

since at sub 50% she is using rainbow way more often while I drop her to like sub 30% and she just rarely use rainbows anymore

[royal tapir]

5%

[royal tapir]

Fuck

I mean 50

Why would it change anytime else

[small timber]

which is what I am asking yes

[ripe owl]

[small timber]

because for some reason she just dont use rainbows at certain point, or I just have really atrocious rng

[drowsy plank]

that just means you're getting unlucky with the coinflips

yeah

[tired haven]

Well, rev could have changed that

[royal tapir]

RNG moment

[ripe owl]

Wait Crab since when are you a Cal dev?

[distant gyro]

🎲

[ripe owl]

And what do you even do as a dev?

[drowsy plank]

i would like if someone could look at some of the other speculative shit i claim about empress on the wiki too, if some of those things can be confirmed
cause i definetly saw some weird lance patterns

[royal tapir]

I don’t remember seeing anything like that, but /shrug

[tired haven]

I don't think it does in eol fight specifically, but a bunch of vanilla thresholds are moved around as a general thing

[royal tapir]

Yeah

[dense locust]

he has been for at least a year unless I'm having a bad case of misremembering

[ripe owl]

I've been dormant on this server until like maybe two months

[tired haven]

Like 2 months ago
Doing basically balancing/QA ig

[tired haven]

well, i was a tester for a long while
but not a dev

[dense locust]

ah

[ripe owl]

Bruh
Coolio, is it troublesome?

[tired haven]

Nah, although I can't really say I was very productive either

[north oracle]

@thorny sapphire this has literally nothing to do with your suggestions quality, but it does bother me

[small timber]

ok I had been legit letting EOL attacking for like nearly 30 minutes in phase 2 now

I come to the conclusion that she either completely does not do double rainbow OR it happen at astronomical rate (death mode)

throughout all these time she does like... literally once? and even that once I am not even sure if she does it at the end of the first rainbow or she is stacking it on top (and I think it lean towards the former)

Phase 1 she does double rainbow a lot more often though but at the sametime phase 1 rainbow and general pattern is way easier

[small timber]

ok turns out yeah it is mostly a Phase 1 thing, the contrast of the amount of Everlasting Rainbow she use in Phase 1 and Phase 2 is insane; Phase 1 she do it way more

However, her Phase 1 pattern is also much much easier to stay inside the Everlasting Rainbow, I could had recorded like 2 minutes/me dodging it 1 time and call it a day but I want to prove a point that it is not unfair, there is a very consistent way (especially Phase 1), to dodge Prismatic Bolt or Ethereal Lance inside the Everlasting Rainbow, AND deal with 2 Rainbows at the same time.

In fact most of the time I got hit is not even Everlasting Rainbow, it is mispositioning for Sun Dance + Everlasting Rainbow which I can avoid if I played better by positioning myself to not get cornered.

@thorny sapphire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXmcU9NPwRU

This video lasted 22 minutes of pure Phase 1 dodging in Death Mode (you can see me whenever I opened ESC), of course I am not a machine so I don't dodge 100% of them, but it is very consistent enough that I will be able to conclude that it is definitely not unfair

(and just as an addendum, I am using Hadal Mantle not Fishron Wing, Fishrong Wing is in vanity slot, you can see it when I press ESC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OA6mDjk2E
(these 1 are for Phase 2 which ended up just having no double rainbow stacking so basically just a waste of time, but just to prove a point that stacking rainbow is not a problem for Phase 2 either because she barely use it)

[north oracle]

22 minutes
Jesus

[ripe owl]

Everything for the name of the science

[small timber]

@cold cosmos the point of dashes is that it is a sudden burst of speed that also come into effect immediately as you change direction, they are not necessary meant to be the "highest consistent speed"

and also if that is the case it will also get rid of one of the main advantage of tracers over wings, which is that they have higher horizontal speed at the cost of much lower flight time

[cobalt pewter]

do note by moving normally, you're subject to deceleration if you want to turn, which doesn't occur if you go the other direction by dashing

[small timber]

yeah dashes also completely cancel deceleration and immediately accelerate you to the other way

[cold cosmos]

but does it not seem strange that a dash, which typically is used as a burst movement option, makes you noticeably slower if used in the direction you're moving?

[cobalt pewter]

not really because you'll easily pick up the speed once you're done dashing

[small timber]

no it is not, it is a "burst" of movement not the "fastest" movement

the keyword is that you can get this speed suddenly, not that it is the fastest

[cobalt pewter]

dashes are conceptually strong, but some dashes are born stronger

but conceptually they're pretty fucking baller

[cold cosmos]

okay this might just be me

[cobalt pewter]

Statis Ninja Belt might just have the worst dash out of existing dash options on similar tier, but by all means it's still a dash

or was it sash

fuck I forgot

but yea

[cold cosmos]

but I use dashes a whole hell of a lot when moving, and the concept of it slowing me down is just kinda fucking with my autopilot

[north oracle]

the final statis line is actually good because it's a longer dash
it's just not a ram

[cold cosmos]

yeah but i also tested Asgard's Valor and it's also pretty slow

[grave zinc]

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[Make Bosses Spawn In More Unique Modes]

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[Give Yharon A Short Transition or Animation/Effect For Phase 2 Transition]

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[Add a small death animation for the defeat of each Exo Mech during the fight]

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[hollow shell]

@cold cosmos You should acknowledge the acceleration / burst of speed argument in your suggestion
(cuz if not, you're going to get pings for the next like 24 hours of people telling you what they told you here)

[cold cosmos]

good idea

[hollow shell]

mm
And you should prolly add "Post-Moon Lord" to your title

considering your reasoning only concerns dashes post-Seraph

[hollow shell]

Nice thanks

[fervent orbit]

oh yea i made suggestions

i forgor

[toxic basalt]

@small timber So in terms of things developing since yesterday in terms of Yharon and SP7, this happened

[fervent orbit]

i think this was talked about before

yharon having 2 dashes in a row

[small timber]

I mean yharon always do BH -> 2 dash (more specifically: TP fast charge - normal fast charge) -> BH in SP7 (though yesterday was talking more about the BH part)

[small timber]

well at least all 6 suggestions being cosmetic do help with the server suggestion I put out yesterday, but yeah the chance of it happening is slim anyway

[royal tapir]

Well, that's just because phase 1 has two everlasting rainbows in its pattern, while phase 2 has one

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure the thing about dashing being slower than your max run speed is just

wrong

unless im forgetting something??

what's the max dash speed vs. the max run speed?

[cobalt pewter]

considering that lances tend to be more effective with dashes

unless you build entirely into move speed boosts, dashing will always have higher peak speed than average running

probably should be locked to host by default

but yea

[drowsy plank]

i guess there are some configs which should prolly be able to be disabled by the server owner

[drowsy plank]

also it is sosososo easy to miss their drops entirely and it is very annoying

[tired haven]

It's hardcoded per dash

I could look into that for curiosity sake an hour or so later if you want (although in practice, so results may deviate from code intended speed)

But generally speaking, yes, it is possible to have dashes slower than running/flying speed

[drowsy plank]

i realize, i just feel like that requires some heavy building into ms that even i dont bother doing

[tired haven]

Hmm, I think I have been hunting for a wrong phenomena
I was looking into the "dash never ends" animation, while the real culprit is that dashes' velocity reduction seems to keep going below wings' nominal speed

Granted, the speed required basically limits it to elysian tracers (or very high MS investment as you mentioned)

these 3 frames in a dash pattern of Tabi - Elysian Tracers (110% MS) are slower than wings' nominal velocity of about 12.5

Also dash starts at around 16.9 (~86 mph) so the actual impact on gameplay should be nigh zero

Well, Celestial Tracers - Shield of Cthulhu are a net loss of speed (the dash starts at 14.5, wings speed is around 13.7, and dash forcibly stops at 12)

[drowsy plank]

yeah but who's using that xd

if it happened with sothr maybe

[tired haven]

Give me a moment to see

It is actually the case with high ruler

See how it snaps to default speed on last line?

Wait, now I get its speed higher for some reason
I love the macaroni coding

[drowsy plank]

[tired haven]

But yeah, the gist is, all dashes turn off at 12 velocity, and tracers with speed buffs can have more than that

So technically that's an oversight

[dense ferry]

Yippee!!

[serene tendon]

@limber zealot You should also mention that the Calamity difficulty slider can be changed by any player, which has quite obvious negative potential as well.

[bright crag]

All suggestions in the batch are getting quite positive marks

[hybrid steeple]

yeah theyre all bangers

besides the yharon background one

[drowsy plank]

tbf i dont think anyone expected them to be very controversial

cosmetic suggs truly be like

[bright crag]

Only upvotes
Between 3 and 6

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah that one is weird

huh

wacky

[hybrid steeple]

orange background with orange projectiles and an orange boss

[glass arch]

providence

[toxic basalt]

I can't suggest the reversion of Artemis and Apollo's Specials syncing now, can I?

[drowsy plank]

uh
that would be revision so i dont think so, no
i do think much like the skele prime nerfs exo twins didnt deserve to get shafted so much but what can you do

[toxic basalt]

actually

the change made their specials even worse to deal with

because now Apollo will fire rockets and fireblasts while Artemis does his Ohio beam

before, you had ample time to prepare to avoid both

[drowsy plank]

oh that

[toxic basalt]

it was completely unnecessary

[drowsy plank]

idk i was fighting them literally yesterday and never really had much of an issue but eh

[toxic basalt]

I had no issues with the fight before but now the specials are worse

and the only form of cooperation between the twins was also removed

so in a sense a thing that made them "special" is now gone

best I could probably then suggest is to make the other twin not attack while the other does their special

but that would probably just drag them through the dirt even more

so I might actually suggest general rebalancing for them instead

[drowsy plank]

they need it tbh

[wide river]

That config suggestion is essentially the better version of the idea that one guy had where it was like "Allow the host to lock the difficulty"
Good that it has reasoning other than "I want my friends to suffer"

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I still disagree with part of it, but I know currently having players HP% scaling set to different things causes some janky shit in multiplayer, so it could be a decent way to avoid that

[golden sonnet]

why.

[jade cargo]

its for the funni

idc if i get banned for the funni

[dense ferry]

Anyways ten seconds passed, by the laws Cog has to use it

But nonetheless

@jade cargo no

[jade cargo]

darn

[ashen warren]

Should have put it in #general-media

[jade cargo]

darnit

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah btw Scarlet

Been due to say this for a while

Nice pfp 👍

[ashen warren]

Oh thank you!!

[jade cargo]

i am going to draw a new pfp

[cold cosmos]

No keep it

It’s beautiful

[jade cargo]

no

i have drawn milm

refrence image

[cold cosmos]

Milm is amazing

[jade cargo]

yes

[hollow ridge]

Another boss sugg

[ashen warren]

best melee weapon for exo mechs
?

[frosty trellis]

#help-advice-read-pins

[wide river]

...How did the bot not 🗜️ that

[dense locust]

because it's technically 2 lines

[hybrid steeple]

i

[wide river]

Curious user

[dense locust]

"best weapon for exo mechs
?" is my favorite suggestion

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warrendon't spam your question in every channel, it isn't going to get answered any faster

[atomic shell]

deep diver in rain on its way to break the meta while being situational

[wide river]

Everyone will just use it over literally every other dash, simply because of the distance

Not much we can do now, since it's in voting, however

[glass arch]

just removes the uniqueness of the accessory tbh

[north oracle]

i really hope that sug will either not get enough votes or get denied by devs

[serene tendon]

Same

[glass arch]

rather than incentivizing water arenas it just incentivizes waiting or using a torrential tear

[north oracle]

everyone would just use it at all times and just summon rain repeatedly

[wide river]

Although knowing people, they will vote on it and make it the top suggestion because "Funny overpowered accessories"

[distant gyro]

if it's on rain condition it's just going to get nerfed to normalcy

[north oracle]

then it won't be good underwater either!

[wide river]

Which then defeats the point of having the water effect
It's a lose-lose situation here

[glass arch]

the "slight nerf" in there is definitely gonna be more than slight

[distant gyro]

to be fair water arena accessories aren't real anyway

unused by everyone except minmaxers intending to break the game

[serene tendon]

If it does pass, it should at least be only nerfed to normalcy in rain, and retain its usual stats underwater.

[wide river]

Yea, this definitely

[golden sonnet]

Me omw to flood the entire world and do an underwater playthrough to actually use the 50 water effect items

[distant gyro]

the water gimmick may as well die at that point

[wide river]

wand of sparking moment

[distant gyro]

unused or blatantly overpowered is not a good mechanic to have

[glass arch]

Leviathan Ambergris, Abyssal Diving Suit, Aquatic Heart, Neptune's Shell and upgrades, Deep Diver

theres a few

[distant gyro]

shield of the ocean too

[glass arch]

true yeah that exists too

[distant gyro]

which extends up into asgardian aegis

[serene tendon]

Except since he's an S-tier legend he did it with lava and shimmer

[distant gyro]

the 95 defense build

[golden sonnet]

asguardian has a water dash?

[wide river]

To utilize all of those, you'd have to sacrifice a lot of other stuff which then makes the point moot

[glass arch]

plus uh
1 armor set (fathom swarmer)

[wide river]

Extra defense when in liquid

[serene tendon]

Victide: "Am I a joke to you?"

[golden sonnet]

oh, just the def, ok. I was gonna freak out there if it had water dash and I didn't know

[glass arch]

yes, yes it is

[wide river]

To be fair
Does anyone aside from summoners and rogues actually use it

[glass arch]

well yeah you obviously wouldnt use all of em at once, i was just pointing out the ones that do incentivize water arenas

water arenas also arent the worst things to set up, just kinda tedious

[wide river]

Even with a Bottomless Water Bucket and a couple of pumps pumping water from the Abyss it still takes forever

[drowsy plank]

shield of the ocean is so dogshit

im all for broken water mechanics to die if they have better ideas in store

[wide river]

Indeed
It's only marginally useful if the player has Victide armor equipped, but as I said earlier not all classes use it

[frosty trellis]

I mean

It's p.decent for sunken sea exploration

[wide river]

Yea
And maybe the first layer of the Abyss
But that's it

[errant bobcat]

I remember in my first playthru I crafted it because I had spare pearl shards and I’m like: wow, this is useless to me

[swift wharf]

lances

[drowsy plank]

we nerfed them

[glass arch]

tbf

[drowsy plank]

lance dashes when fr fr

[glass arch]

lances should not be uncapped

[wide river]

Okay but that'd be really cool though

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

maybe someone should re-suggest that...

[cobalt pewter]

just give it a logarithmic function

softcap

[wide river]

Ah yes
Solution

[glass arch]

this reminds me of something that would be in an antimatter dimensions ng+++ mod

[wide river]

@novel belfry Hmm. That looks like it needs some more reasoning. You have only two sentences, and only one of them actually elaborates on the problem

[novel belfry]

yeah

I am not sure what to write next tho

[frosty trellis]

Not sure on Deus's frailty tbh

Anything that pierces or explodes makes it Die

[north oracle]

he would just melt harder with worm killer weapons

[cobalt pewter]

me when I write a thesis on bosses

(only Fabsol makes bosses)

[frosty trellis]

Sub 30 second deus with tides

[north oracle]

oh dear god

[novel belfry]

I suppose keep the damage reduction on them???

[frosty trellis]

Deus phase 2 is supposed to take 2 minute according to the tester sheet and based on my experience it checks out

[north oracle]

^

he can be melted incredibly fast with the right weapons too

[frosty trellis]

Tenebris Tides being the easiest

[novel belfry]

im fighting him with ranged

[frosty trellis]

The literal deus middle finger

[north oracle]

also electrosphere

[novel belfry]

OH

[frosty trellis]

Electrosphere Launcher or Scorpio also works

[north oracle]

the hive is better than scorpio lol

[frosty trellis]

Oh right that exists

Fair enough

[novel belfry]

i'll just delete the sugg, but i'll show it here for future reference

Lower the health/defenses of the split Astrum Deus worms in phase 2

They are quite frankly, too beefy. This problem becomes especially tedious in Death Mode, where you have to kill BOTH worms instead of just one to beat the boss.
Of course, you should probably make their piercing resistances higher to compensate, since we are talking about a pair of worms.

[blazing kettle]

what would happen of a suggposting post got starred? would it do nothing or would it be ellible to go into dev voting

[frosty trellis]

I don't agree with lowering their health regardless

Death mode having you kill both is supposed to make it take longer and be harder on purpose since it's harder than rev in theory

And on rev the stats are fine for its standard 3 minute flat kt

[novel belfry]

this guy still beating my ass

[north oracle]

maybe try #help-advice-read-pins

[wide river]

I mean, you're completely free to make that a suggestion
It's not like there's a rule saying you can't suggest boss changes

You just need a bit more reasoning, is all

[north oracle]

when you're back here to complain that you can't beat the boss, a different channel is more appropriate

[small timber]

one idea I had is to make them heavily pierce resistance or something similar to AEW where only the head can be damage (aka: they don't have usual worm hitbox), and their health is somewhat nerfed but the health amount of P1 is transferred to P2

(eg: 1 million HP in P1, get beaten to 50%, enter P2, split the remaining 500k to both worm = 250k both worm; of course Deus don't have 1 million HP but just as an example)

then the 2 deus alternate between when they can be damaged, eg: 100% 100% worm = both can be damaged, one fall to 80% = can't be damaged until the other one also falls to 80%, then repeat at 60%, 40%, 20% and of course when one dies the other enraged

this helps with the fact that currently it is drastically better to focus 1 worm down because there is nearly no reason to damage both at the sametime as their pattern get harder as their HP drops lower (per worm, and apply only for said worm)

and also communicate better why deus seemingly "heals" after Phase 2 split when it should be reduced

but yeah if I try to suggest this I will get crucified so

[novel belfry]

i was coping seething and malding man

[north oracle]

yeah, there's no way that could get through voting

making the boss harder? definitely not

[wide river]

Unless every single masochist in the server votes on it, somehow

[north oracle]

true

[small timber]

even if it gets 200 votes it will still have a chance to get denied anyway so

[limber zealot]

oh ye true totally forgot about that

done

[wide river]

Okay, I made kind of a long suggestion here, so I don't know how it'll fare in the realm of suggestions

Rework Polterghast's Drops

Polterghast's drops, to say the least, are old. Fate's Reveal and Ghastly Visage (the Mage weapons) are clones of the vanilla weapons Spirit Flame and Nebula Arcanum respectively, and the rest are functionally identical to when they were first introduced, which was almost 6 years ago. Needless to say, they're all pretty boring as weapons. Let's go through a quick rundown of them so you know what I'm even talking about.
Banshee Hook: A spear that is anything but, it quickly fires out projectiles that ignore immunity frames.
Daemon's Flame: A bow that does not have any converting effects, meaning whatever arrows you fire retain their properties.
Ethereal Subjugator: Summons some phantoms that fire beams.
Fate's Reveal: Stronger Spirit Flame, not much to say about this one.
Ghastly Visage: It's just faster Nebula Arcanum, not much to say about this one either.
Ghoulish Gouger: A "boomerang" of sorts that rapidly fires out scythes that ignore immunity frames.
Terror Blade: A blade that fires bouncing projectiles (somehow doesn't ignore immunity frames).
All of these aren't very interesting or unique in their attack styles, as various other weapons do similar things to these, making them essentially just clones of other weapons that are resprited to be themed after Polterghast.

In short, as that was a lot of reading, the weapons that Polterghast drops aren't unique in many ways, and it would be best if they got a rework.

I feel like I need to shorten it somehow, but a lot of the stuff in the suggestion feels like it's important
Maybe I could remove the summary of what the weapons are like?

[tired haven]

Ethereal Subjugator is the one weapon that changed its function recently I believe

[hybrid steeple]

polter when all of its content is the oldest in the mod

[wide river]

Did it? If that's the case, then I can probably remove that part

[worldly basalt]

it did

i think it used to just ram into things?

[tired haven]

It deals damage by releasing ghastly particles that home in towards the closest enemy after a short time.
As opposed to firing a laser

I don't remember it ever ramming stuff

[wide river]

Lemme look when that was

[worldly basalt]

weird, I thought i remembered that it did

apparently it didn't

[wide river]

It was the most recent update that it got reworked, that's probably why I didn't remember it

I think if I remove the summary of the weapons, it should be fine
As well as explicitly excluding Ethereal Subjugator from the list, since it got reworked recently

[tired haven]

Sounds good to me, yeah

Since it's taking up quite a bit of space by something people can just wiki if they are interested in specific details

[small timber]

the moment when you pushed a 22 min video just to validified that it is not a bullshit attack just to get ignored 💀

(but yeah tldr is that EOL suggestion is very much skill issue, and I think part of their complain was day empress related which of course is even more of a 💀 )

[wide river]

I mean, a lot of the boss AI suggestions that have been coming through are kinda based on the more difficult stuff, like Death Mode or nohits

So you could argue that all of them are skill issues

[drowsy plank]

this is why i should suggest to buff skele prime

[wide river]

So true

[glass arch]

sprime is just kinda a pushover

[wide river]

Right, edited version of my suggestion idea from above

Rework Polterghast's Drops

Polterghast's drops, to say the least, are old. Fate's Reveal and Ghastly Visage (the Mage weapons) are clones of the vanilla weapons Spirit Flame and Nebula Arcanum respectively, and the rest are functionally identical to when they were first introduced, which was almost 6 years ago. None of the weapons that Polterghast drops feel like they're relevant to Polterghast, so perhaps a rework could be of use for them. All of these aren't very interesting or unique in their attack styles, as various other weapons do similar things to these, making them essentially just clones of other weapons that are resprited to try and be themed after Polterghast.

In short, the weapons that Polterghast drops aren't unique in many ways, and it would be best if they got a rework.

Now I think I need more reasoning

[drowsy plank]

shrimply wait for the polter resprite and use that as leverage to rework his drops to be more inline with his design

[tired haven]

To be 100% honest, I don't think "being identical to first introduced old version" is a valid reason to change something

[drowsy plank]

i understand why but

[tired haven]

That kinda implies change for the sake of change

[wide river]

Now that you say that, yea
That's probably what brought down a lot of my other weapon rework suggestions

[drowsy plank]

if you check most weapons that are from old versions that are still the same they are
💀

[tired haven]

There are likely other underlying reasons why it's agreeable

[drowsy plank]

i mean id just hardline on the boring and vanilla clone aspects tbh tbh

[tired haven]

Ghoulish Gouger for example essentially is a Paladin's Hammer on steroids