suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

also this would be the kind of suggestion to go through Mod Mail, not here @bronze badger

[cobalt pewter]

benefits of being a patron for the mod is a mad ton already

hell even a long while ago patrons on $50+ could get a fuckin item (proven to be a terrible plan in the long run because of the Backlog™)

[bronze badger]

I don't want to be announced or get benefit I just think it'd be a good idea to help more devs by giving people on discord the willing to go on patreon and subscribe

[cobalt pewter]

????

[bronze badger]

mb didn't know where I should put that suggestion I didn't see anything about a discord channel

[drowsy plank]

read the pins

[dense ferry]

Normality Realocator

[drowsy plank]

Shield of the High Ruler

[bronze badger]

Where can I find infos about Mod Mail ?

[cobalt pewter]

Normality Relocator will forever be The Item

infused with so much capitalism powers not even those who created it can destroy it

[drowsy plank]

@sonic torrent

[bronze badger]

ah Ok I can DM it

[jagged bloom]

i whole-heartedly support raesh's slime god staff idea

[golden sonnet]

Allow astral arcanum to be combined with shell phone (it doesn't have enough materials)

[drowsy plank]

spittin 😤

shell phone now crafts with normality relocators and all the critter books too

[golden sonnet]

Based

Put every from inventory item in one slot

To toggle effects you right click to bring up a menu that covers your entire screen with the different options

[drowsy plank]

fr tho it would be cool if arcanum teleported to crags instead of hell since

well shellphone DOES exist and all

[ripe owl]

It's doesn't

[drowsy plank]

is going to 💥

[lucid flare]

hellphone

[glass arch]

hellophone

[lucid flare]

they can't talk.

[undone cedar]

Isnt there already a suggestion in voting for this?

[drowsy plank]

@past viper already passed

[past viper]

oh okay

[wide river]

This one, it got a "Good idea" from the devs
#suggestions-voting message

[undone cedar]

Oh yeah

[hollow ridge]

"Balancing"

Hmmm

I wonder if there's a specific place for this

@gentle hound this suggestion would likely do better in suggs balancing

[glass arch]

tracers are also perfectly viable

[hollow ridge]

The thread in this channel

[glass arch]

#1042197406776827914

tracers are only bad for like
post polter to yharon

even then they're still useable for dog

[gentle hound]

didn't even know that thread existed, it's not visible by default

[hollow ridge]

Well

you should have read the message above in posting

Or the doc

Or the pins

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gentle hound]

I did read the doc and the pins
but I guess I missed that

either way, moving it now

[hollow ridge]

👍

[gentle hound]

the #1042197406776827914 section should probably be mentioned in the pins of #suggestions-posting
even in the doc it's buried under a 'weapons balance' section

[drowsy plank]

i guess i could ask rover to add it, it is pinned in here tho

[swift wharf]

i mean

you might as well read all suggestion channel pins

[crude geode]

I feel like you could just separate the teleportation function of Astral Arcanum to a separate tool

[undone cedar]

I feel like astral arcanum is a very cluttered accessory

[crude geode]

Actually

Just remove the teleport function tbfh

[drowsy plank]

splitting arcanum sounds like nothing but good ideas tbh

[crude geode]

We already have good teleports for most of the locations

Dungeon doesn’t really need a teleport, as you can use your mushroom biome pylon to create a pseudo teleport or just make an actual teleport

and random teleports being free kinda kills the point of chaos fish tbfh

So I feel like the teleportation effect of astral arcanum is kinda made redundant by vanilla changes

[fervent orbit]

or you can use momentum capacitor, which is earlier than celestial jewel

[crude geode]

Also true!

The teleport function just feels extremely redundant with this point

and I feel like it can easily be removed

[fervent orbit]

so are you going to make it or

[gentle hound]

tracers discussion

[drowsy plank]

it's very funny how tracers good from good->mid->great lmao

[golden sonnet]

I'm already tracer

[drowsy plank]

fr why did they give them a cross necklace for free

[glass arch]

*good -> bad -> great

[fervent orbit]

ok so here we are going to talk about how elysian tracers needs a buff

[drowsy plank]

💥

balance sugg is weapon balance and yall still need to make the recipe sugg dont @ me

also someone should make that arcanum sugg fr

[golden sonnet]

true, but if they didn't have it you would just use wings instead to be fair

[fervent orbit]

ok sure ill speedrun make it

[drowsy plank]

cool

[gentle hound]

also if the idea is going wings or boots post-ML, it's not communicated very clearly I think

[fervent orbit]

Replace "Any Wings" in Seraph Tracers to Souls of Flight

This is a simple change to replace the Any Wings in Seraph Tracers to Souls of Flight to reduce confusion that they are a direct upgrade to all wings without any downsides. It also makes little to no sense that wings are used in the crafting recipe for them, as Souls of Flight would work just as well in the recipe. It also justifies them not having the unique effects of Boost, Hover and stat boosts being incorporated into the Tracers line.

idk if this sounds well

[gentle hound]

yeah, I think it was either that or angel wings that were the favored ideas

[tired haven]

You could add a part where it also removes ambiguity about wing's potential effects being erased in process of upgrade

stat buffs, hover, etc.

[gentle hound]

I mean if they're still mutually exclusive with wings, you couldn't use wing effects anyway, no?

[tired haven]

Yeah

[fervent orbit]

like that?

[tired haven]

I mean like, if I upgrade demon wings that have damage stats on them, into tracers, then tracers kinda "lose" that effect in process

[gentle hound]

ah gotcha

but if using souls of flight, wouldn't have that issue
what are angel wings' effects btw?

[fervent orbit]

some defensive buffs (def and life regen)

i think

[tired haven]

honestly that's part of a reason i don't want angel wings because then everyone would want 60 max hp and 2 regen on tracers

[gentle hound]

makes sense

[drowsy plank]

so souls is better

[fervent orbit]

i thought angel gave like 30hp or smthn

[gentle hound]

souls works, and since you're not using wings anymore there's no chance of burning something valuable by mistake

it's just a full upgrade all around

[fervent orbit]

k im posting

[tired haven]

[gentle hound]

as far as the question of balance, it seems there's a lot of debate around them being -good- or not
but that might just be a healthy wings vs boots debate and it's better for #1042197406776827914 anyway

[golden sonnet]

[drowsy plank]

they're good

we're not going back

[fervent orbit]

ok but according to the wiki

[drowsy plank]

💥

[fervent orbit]

nebula wings have 50% horizontal accel bonus, and vortex has 0%

which is weird

[drowsy plank]

that is weird

[tired haven]

From what I see ingame, their movement is identical

[fervent orbit]

its their accel bonus so its how fast they get to their top speed

a cook has arrived

just now i learnt that moon charm has 4% ascent speed

[tired haven]

They both have 1.5 accel in their tooltip, and they both increase vertical velocity by 0.15 per frame, as opposed to normal wings like steampunk increasing by 0.1

So, it's 99.9% wiki inaccuracy

[fervent orbit]

i wonder where they got that from then

also is the jetpack unbuffed?

[tired haven]

Aside from universal 24% jump speed buff, I don't think so

[fervent orbit]

interesting

[tired haven]

It does have that funny 103 mph boost thanks to the universal buff

[fervent orbit]

yea ig it does have a boost

[tired haven]

That is the only reason its' stats are a bit lower across the board than other post-1mech wings, yea

[fervent orbit]

huh

harpy wings are worse than post 1 mech wings

same as fin and fairy

[tired haven]

Harpy wings are same tier as fin and fairy, so yeah

Wait, early HM rework

[fervent orbit]

yea

[tired haven]

classic blunder

(fairy is locked too though, isn't it)

[fervent orbit]

nope

neither is fin

[tired haven]

Well, fin obviously

[fervent orbit]

clearly the solution is to buff angel and demon

[tired haven]

It is always the answer

I guess it'd be a good decision to move to balance and track down the wings

[fervent orbit]

i hate that after some thought this isnt that terrible of an idea

skyline wings alr have 1.3 seconds

while angel and demon have 1.6

(also im not counting leaf due to 1.4.4)

[tired haven]

Well, the terrible part of the idea is that demon is putrid scent on top of wings

and angel wings is similar

[fervent orbit]

ok but fairy wings is 60hp and is better wings at the same time

[tired haven]

Mhm

[fervent orbit]

also frozen wings are just like

???

"2% increased melee and ranged damage
and 1% increased melee and ranged critical strike chance
while wearing the Frost Armor"

like wat is this effect

literally worse flame wings and bat wings

but are also wings at the same time

[austere cargo]

for the "stacks with downgrades" suggestion, seems like the real issue is a general level of inconsistency

[fervent orbit]

oh hey raesh cooked a while ago

i didnt realise sorry

[tired haven]

I think it spiraled out of the same thing as harpy wings

They are balanced to premech but then were mistakenly moved by anvil

[golden sonnet]

Well, a lot of things aren't mentioned at all, there is no way to know the ammo and velocity of quivers don't stack unless you check the wiki, and the Ele quiver has no info of this on the wiki either. Same with the true melee stacking, Ele Gauntlet mentions it in wiki but not in game, and there is no way to know if the Fire Gauntlet or Mech glove stack melee dmg with their downgrades either as they don't have their own pages. I know stat meter exists but some stats don't show up on stat meter iirc like velocity, and you shouldn't need to use the stat meter to figure out what effects your accessories are actually giving you

[wide river]

Making a balancing system that requires everything made from Hardmode ores to be moved and rebalanced does that, I feel

[austere cargo]

is there a reason those stats don't stack?

[tired haven]

Indeed

[fervent orbit]

for elemental quiver yes (i think)

for tmelee dmg on gauntlet prob not

[golden sonnet]

Quivers not stacking Vel and Ammo is a vanilla thing, I don't even know if elemental quiver does it too because it doesn't say

[tired haven]

Sometimes yes
Quiver velocity doesn't stack because it's bound to extraupdates (it already refuses to work with extraupdate arrows)

[fervent orbit]

extraupdate is just weird

[fervent orbit]

literally makes electrosphere launcher electrospheres last shorter lmao

[austere cargo]

ah, not stacking is actually part of base terraria

did not know that

[tired haven]

It ticks down projectile lifetime too, so that's to be expected

[fervent orbit]

smh just make a new system for velocity

[austere cargo]

also for that statis's blessing/curse thing, is curse stacking with the components of blessing intended behavior?

[fervent orbit]

is that even possible

[wide river]

[tired haven]

Most definitely not

[tired haven]

Not really, and also why?

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it's like literally only for the quiver line, don't think anything else does it

[tired haven]

That is a lot of effort to fix like a dozen items

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure making a new system would just make the same problem but again

[fervent orbit]

yea thats wat i thought

[tired haven]

Celestial stone not stacking with sun/moon stones

[austere cargo]

so two of those 3 suggestions are actually bugfixes

[tired haven]

Balloons not stacking their jump speed

There are plenty of things that act this way

[fervent orbit]

two?

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I guess frozen shield does it as well

[tired haven]

Anything that gives you a buff icon also doesn't really stack, yeah

[austere cargo]

well sounds like the quiver stuff isn't going to be changed

[golden sonnet]

the ammo res should be stackable tbh

[austere cargo]

but the other two are mistakes?

[fervent orbit]

affliction

when was it mentioned that gauntlet was a mistake

[austere cargo]

I thought that's what you were saying here

[golden sonnet]

With buff icons you can just say "the player should know you can't have two of a buff" like with paladins shield and frozen shield, but with all of the things I mentioned there is no way to expect the player to know that

[fervent orbit]

oh

im saying its probably a limitation of how its implemented

(i havent checked the code in a while)

[fervent orbit]

that being it just sets a variable/boolean

[tired haven]

Yeah, I'm mostly saying that it's not a new or rare problem and partially reinforcing the "terraria is a wiki game" problem

And the worst part is the reasons for not stacking are different every time

celestial stone case is pure malice

[fervent orbit]

dear god i had an idea for a new item

[austere cargo]

Summoner stuff doesn't stack for balance reasons I assume

[wide river]

I don't think it's particularly problematic that Terraria is wiki heavy, but if the main wiki wasn't as unclear with what it was trying to get across, it'd be fine

[tired haven]

You'd be correct on that

[tired haven]

I don't know how true is that. It's one of the best maintained wikis out there

[wide river]

Let me just see if what I'm talking about is still there, it might've changed since the last time I checked

[tired haven]

Obviously there will be some mistakes here and there, wikis just kinda work like that. Community notices them and fixes them

[fervent orbit]

balloon isnt mentioned that it cant be stacked in vanilla wiki

[tired haven]

(or makes new ones)

[fervent orbit]

(unless it can which i never knew)

[austere cargo]

I swear there was some table where the wiki said which jump boosters stack

[wide river]

Okay, what I was talking about seems to have been clarified since I was last there. Complaint revoked

[tired haven]

They cannot, as their effect is a bool (the true/false parameter). It would not track how many balloons you equipped, just if you have one

it also led to a very funny bug back then where stacking balloons in calamity was reducing your jump speed because penalty applied per balloon but bonus was only given once

[fervent orbit]

i already found an example for you enchilada

balloon

[austere cargo]

TIL that the step stool actually increases the height of your jump in addition to increasing your starting height

[fervent orbit]

yea

[golden sonnet]

did the "wording consistency" doc pass?

[fervent orbit]

xpcs one?

[golden sonnet]

I think so

[fervent orbit]

uhh doesnt seem like it

[austere cargo]

which was this?

[fervent orbit]

#suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

as I just realized all of the quivers say "Greatly increases arrow speed", while deadshot and Ele quiver say "Greatly increases projectile velocity".

Like MF how much is "greatly" and is it velocity or speed

[glass arch]

what the fuck is that message embed it looks so weird

[crude geode]

I feel like it would conflict too much with the current sugg over votes

[fervent orbit]

its been like this on desktop for like

nearly 2 weeks now

[fervent orbit]

true

[glass arch]

whar

it literally just started doing that for me

[fervent orbit]

huh

strange

maybe u werent updated

[golden sonnet]

@small timber you wanna add this to your doc, even if it doesn't pass probably worth adding for documentation, and it would give you something to put in the "quiver line" section instead of crossed out text

[glass arch]

nah i reopened discord and closed the tab a lot

like it should have updated

[austere cargo]

speed is the more proper term for what is being increased

also the elemental quiver working with guns is..odd

[fervent orbit]

thats a deadshot brooch thing but ok

[drowsy plank]

equiver is a fucking anomaly tbh

[austere cargo]

trying to come up with something more weapon type neutral

[fervent orbit]

a change for equiver is planned

[glass arch]

my name change sugg passed so hopefully something happens with that to make it less of an anomaly

[novel belfry]

Wait, really?

Even without getting items, you can still get good shit?

[ripe owl]

You get a """free""" beta every now and then

Or so I've heard

man I wish there was a different way to get betas, I really need to move my mod to 1.4.4

[wide river]

From what I've heard, Patreon supporters get early viewing of concept art
I don't actually know if that's true, I just inferred it from Lumenos talking in #lore-discussion

[glass arch]

memes basically confirmed it in cst a while back when i was talking about the polter concept art

[hybrid steeple]

"basically confirmed it"

you know you can see
on the patreon

[glass arch]

see

[hybrid steeple]

like the perks are listed

[glass arch]

im too lazy to go look

[small timber]

old suggestion attempt no.N

[north oracle]

Please give him any form of transistion istg, even just going to a teleport, roaring, and starting phase 4 would be so much better

[cobalt pewter]

Shadowspec is

whatever endgame is currently in cal

so it'll be moved further if Yharim is added

[ripe owl]

@river path shadowspec is not a Calamitas material, it's a constant endgame material that you can get only by killing both Exo Mechs and Calamitas, which makes your suggestion senseless

[cobalt pewter]

Ashes of Annihilation doesn't craft into anything while Exo Prism (for some reason) crafts into Miracle Matter

both bosses are the mod's endgame right now, so both of their materials are needed for Shadowspec

[river path]

fair enough

[ripe owl]

we should suggest a set of Ashen weapons

[north oracle]

Also by doing SCal first you get a few exhumed options. It would be nice if there were more of those tho

[hybrid steeple]

we should shrimply add ashes of annihilation to miracle matter

or make it either-or

because miracle matter isnt tied to draedon anymore

[cobalt pewter]

Exo Prism and Ashes being interchangeable in Miracle Matter doesn't sound too bad

[north oracle]

The weapons fit much better with draedons aesthetic than scals atm

[hybrid steeple]

they dont fit with either

[cobalt pewter]

just resprite for the 6th time or smth

granted the design is leaning more towards plant / tech than anything scal is

[hybrid steeple]

theyre something entirely different than either of them and meant to be the player character's own creations, without influence by some other character's theming

having it just be gated by one of the penultimate bosses would be good imo

[bright crag]

Miracle Matter is still intended as just post-Draedon

[cobalt pewter]

bleh

[hybrid steeple]

[small timber]

yeah they definitely misunderstood that shadowspec is intended as "post Scal + Draedon"

[bright crag]

They are influeneced highly by the Exo Prisms...?

[north oracle]

Yeah

And they’re not even close to anything SCal looks like

[small timber]

and also just like usual exhume is completely forgotten from Scal's loots

[hybrid steeple]

true

[small timber]

which give you some of the most stupidly overpowered weapons in the game

[drowsy plank]

i think i should just flag this

[north oracle]

I mentioned it

[drowsy plank]

shadowspec isn't staying there anyway

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

I already said it the first time

It'll yoink itself up when

Yharim

in 2032

[north oracle]

It might be there for a few years but it won’t be there forever

Istg autocorrect

[drowsy plank]

@river path the reason shadowspec isn't a true counterpart to miracle matter is because it. isn't a counterpart to miracle matter. shadowspec will be moved to post-Yharin after he is implemented, so your entire suggestion is on the basis of a misinterpretation, so I've flagged it.

furthermore, more ashes crafts are in the work anyway, as ive already personally suggested as such and had pass so

no big issue there

[ripe owl]

I already said enough bruh you didn't have to tell it twice

[hybrid steeple]

more ashes crafts

[north oracle]

Now we can move on and not have 5 more people say why the sug is bad

Right

[drowsy plank]

im the moderator here, it's my job to tell them why im flagging their suggestion

[ripe owl]

Aight, fair

[river path]

I understand, thanks

[errant inlet]

There should be an option to toggle the light that glowing projectiles emit

And i dont mean the projectile sprite

No

I mean the ability to illuminate shit

[glass arch]

dust limit

[errant inlet]

Doesn't do shit

Its not dust

[glass arch]

blindness

[errant inlet]

Its like with glowsticks

[glass arch]

anyways why

[errant inlet]

Imagine turning off the light that a glowstick emits

Lag

[glass arch]

turn down the lighting settings

[errant inlet]

Some PCs are too shite to handle light emitting projectiles

That only makes my framerate worse

[glass arch]

thats why you turn the lighting to retro

[errant inlet]

Somehow i get the highest fps when using color lighting

I tried already

It didn't work

Its an easy fix right

Just make an extra graphics option

[glass arch]

not really

because it requires working with terrarias lighting system

[errant inlet]

Fair

But still

[glass arch]

not only that its a vanilla thing so im guessing theyd have to IL edit it too

[errant inlet]

It plays a key role in how laggy the game is

I kinda feel like suggesting it just because of how unbearable it makes my game

The entire fight goin smooth

Ares does blender beam

Boom

Near game freeze

I've started enraging ares to avoid blender beam cause i can literally nohit that but other bosses aren't so easy to cheese

[glass arch]

do you have frameskip on or frameskip on subtle

[errant inlet]

On

Subtle or off makes my game slow mo

At that point just use cheat engine and slow the game down to make all bosses free

[cobalt pewter]

terraria lighting has always been notoriously

terrible for performance

[errant inlet]

Figured

[cobalt pewter]

there's nothing much to be done about it unless you wanna make a new game

[errant inlet]

What about calamity exclusive projectiles

When creating a projectile, you can decide whether or not it emits light

Right?

....right?

[cobalt pewter]

(okay I actually don't know)

[errant inlet]

Should i post it as a suggestion

Its such a minor qol thing its unreal

[unreal saffron]

W suggestion

[small timber]

no it will be a lot of work because they basically need to assign every single projectile that emit lights to it manually rather than "just make it don't have light" iirc

there is a mod called nycro nohit efficiency that straight up turn off all dust, if you just want improved performance that one is the main choice

[dense ferry]

I had a REALLY specific Suggestion as to what I wanted this ambience to be like, but well, would be too SIS-y

But still, Polter deserves some special treatment

[unreal saffron]

Lets hope shade does come in and ratio the post

[errant inlet]

Scrib!!!

Helo

[errant inlet]

I already have dust turned off using a mod called lag remover and my game still lags

[unreal saffron]

Hi

[errant inlet]

I even have damage numbers off

Hell even all particles

Still preforms like shit

[small timber]

then chances are turning light off doesnt even help

[errant inlet]

Oh no it will

Proven by:

Ares blender beam hypothesis

His beam consists of multiple lasers that spin around quickly

All those light updates drop my fps massively

[small timber]

are you even sure that have anything to do with light? that is drawcode or something

[errant inlet]

The moment the beams are gone?

[errant inlet]

Yes.

[small timber]

to test if it is light you need to like, go into water and use asgard's valor and dash once, if it instantly lag your game then yes it is light problem

[errant inlet]

Ill be back to debate further, my presence in taking out the trash has been requested

[bright crag]

What would it be like?

[small timber]

ok no this should work, ram a dummy underwater with asgard's valor

[dense ferry]

I meeeean, you know it but

[small timber]

if it instantly lag the game it is light problem

[dense ferry]

Just a sec

[small timber]

but yeah tldr even if that is the case it is more the job of a "anti-lag" mod

[dense ferry]

My idea was to add whispers in the background whenever you enter the dungeon, which would alude to the Polterghast. Once you can spawn it, killing a ghost would make the whispering louder, at some point completely drowning out the music. After killing the last Phantom, everything would go silent and a few seconds later, you would hear a scream, and The Polterghast would spawn.

[bright crag]

That sounds awesome

[dense ferry]

:D

[golden sonnet]

common Rebecca W

[drowsy plank]

so true

[unreal saffron]

^^^^

[bright crag]

I think, in the suggestion, you can mention "whispers and wails" as a potential ambience

Just not delve deeper than that

[dense ferry]

Alrighty

Put that 👍

[bright crag]

You should change to "...maybe something like whispers and wails..."

It gives a more "suggestion" tone to it

As it is, it's implied as an essential part of the suggestion rather than just a potential idea

[dense ferry]

Yeah I was thinking of that

Just didn't put in a "maybe" because I already have a "perhaps" and that's redundancy

[errant inlet]

Thats a sick sugg

Also hey dev by the name of vetrasyl

How doable would my sugg be

[unreal saffron]

And now we pray that shade doesn’t strike this down from the heavens

[dense ferry]

🙏

[unreal saffron]

Also @night jolt that suggestion is the best i have seen in a while

[fervent orbit]

better yet

get rid of the tp

[drowsy plank]

i dont mind an item that lets you TP to say, dungeon, jungle temple, vernal path, crags, etc. but it would need to be something else lol

[errant inlet]

It should be a seeking mechanism thing

[hollow ridge]

@south hollow needs description

More*

[errant inlet]

Tps are a really cheap workaround to finding shit

[hollow ridge]

And a title

[fervent orbit]

and a reasoning

[fervent orbit]

for dungeon and crags theres momentum capactitor

[hollow ridge]

Also Angel treads are fast enough walking speed

[drowsy plank]

im not saying for finding it, you could make it craftable from the items found in those areas

[hollow ridge]

Trying to wrap my head around the sugg

[fervent orbit]

also fab thought of creating a temple finder

[errant inlet]

(don't you have the ability to hook up teleporters at that point)

[fervent orbit]

yes but u still have to find it

[errant inlet]

(thus my suggestion of a temple seeking mechanism)

[errant inlet]

.

[drowsy plank]

my idea mostly was to give easy tp to the pre-made cal arenas by putting part of some teleporting item in those areas, and yeah you could, but idk i felt like this could be a neat way to preserve some version of arcanum's functionality

[south hollow]

I'll update the suggestion

[errant inlet]

Arcanum?

[south hollow]

How do you make the text white like that?

[drowsy plank]

this is already planned

the boots thing

[errant inlet]

**

[south hollow]

Thanks.

[errant inlet]

Blahblah

**

[fervent orbit]

yea look up from: Fabsol#9706 temple#

[errant inlet]

like this

[fervent orbit]

and scroll under the changelog

[errant inlet]

*** or with three asterisks to make it italicized***

Also wouldn't it be cool if the plagued draedon lab had a chunk of it explode when you beat golem

Like its pre exploded even when golem isn't dead

That doesn't make sense

It'd imply that the plague is already present in the jungle

Enchilada writing a ny best seller

[drowsy plank]

plague minibiome is planned i think

[errant inlet]

That makes even less sense wtf

A plague has befallen a jungle

[fervent orbit]

i leanrnt how to delete multiplayer hook ups now i will never accidentially click on it when i meant to click on balance suggestions

[errant inlet]

Not a mini biome

[atomic shell]

well there’s probably a place where the plague started

[fervent orbit]

well the question is if the plague is natural or genetically created

[errant inlet]

Genetically

By draedon i suppose

Idk maybe the jungle logs say different

[wide river]

My thoughts on the Astral Arcanum suggestion, although it's a bit late:
The Jungle teleport is now functionally useless, due to the Jungle pylon existing
The Underworld teleport is also useless, due to the Demon Conch existing
That only leaves the "random" and Dungeon teleport, and "random" is fulfilled by Teleportation Potions
At this point, do we just remove the thing and make some other form of Dungeon teleportation?

[errant inlet]

What is the astral Arcanum tho

I've never heard of that in my life

[wide river]

!wiki Astral Arcanum

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Astral_Arcanum

[fervent orbit]

defensive accessory with a tp function built into it as well

[small timber]

@south hollow same suggestion was made and passed at some point

(with how it is currently going I dont think a new suggestion that ask for the samething will make it happen any sooner)
(just like godslayer jetpack™️)

[errant inlet]

Why the fuck do you have to equip it

Ew

[fervent orbit]

why the fuck can it teleport

ever thought about that

[fervent orbit]

momentum capacitor

[errant inlet]

Yeah thats a thing

Also its solvable by other mods already

Alch NPC lite

Has temple, dungeon, hell, ocean and other tp potions

[fervent orbit]

ok but thats other mods

[wide river]

Ah, I know why. Celestial Jewel has a "Teleport to a random location when no bosses are alive" function slapped on to it, for some reason

[grim tusk]

We should add alternative to seraph tracers to frequently suggested at this point

[drowsy plank]

Can we just do that now?

[errant inlet]

Why even combine wings and boots

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell Thoughts on adding tracer alts to frequently suggested?

[errant inlet]

It makes using elysian wings extremely annoying

Since you don't have any running speed whatsoever

[drowsy plank]

Can we just stop talking about the damn boots at this point we've beaten it to death harder than Starbound was by its devs

[errant inlet]

Fine ig

[golden sonnet]

LMAO

Rip Starbound, had so much potential

[drowsy plank]

boot alts are happening already, there is no problem

so true

anyway saw a funny idea in #calamity-update-talk about moving Evil2 to where Ravager is after Ravager is moved to post-Providence

[dense locust]

it's a funny idea but like

[golden sonnet]

Honestly yeah

Space the evil out

[dense locust]

why not just move evil 2's to preboss

[drowsy plank]

that solves nothing

yknow what's a real comedy funny actually

[lucid flare]

technically they already are

[small timber]

ah yes yharon post-ML and wof pre-boss

the classic

[lucid flare]

if that was implemented then who unlocks aerialite? skeletron?

[dense locust]

except hive mind / perfs are actually feasable preboss

[small timber]

except that wof is also (definitely) feasable preboss and yharon is also feasable post-ML

[dense locust]

no just move aerialite to pre ml

[drowsy plank]

we always talk about post-Plantera bloat but with the confirmation that Holiday moons are post-Golem that now puts 3 events and 4 bosses post-Golem, while Plant now just has 2 bosses and 1 "event" (GSS is getting moved eventually anyway)

[lucid flare]

the "possible now, do it later"s of terraria

[small timber]

move martian madness to same tier as pillars

[drowsy plank]

honest martians with deus isn't a bad idea

[frosty trellis]

Don't you mean pre-ml?

[dense locust]

it's because most people see anything post plant as post plant and not post golem (golem will never not be shat on)

[drowsy plank]

no it's because we used to actually think moons were post-Plant, even boss checklist did

this is all changing include balancing next update

[tired haven]

It doesn't help that 2 of 4 post-golem bosses are optional at vanilla level

[golden sonnet]

Everyone assumes it's post plant because that's when it's accessable, literally the only thing that makes it post golem is "the devs said so"

[lucid flare]

and the one that calamity adds is also optional...

[dense locust]

you could say the same thing about vanila empress and yet

[drowsy plank]

the point im making is trying to shift stuff; aerialite could just be moved to EoW/BoC because they're literally the same bosses, Evils2 could be moved to post-Plant because it's actually lower on the content end now than any other section of Hardmode, Maritans could be moved to post-Cultist with Deus and Betsy, Ravager and GSS get moved to post-ML

[golden sonnet]

^

Very true

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's the problem I have with the moon re-tier

Most people including like, all the YouTubers and more popular members of the community all think moons are post plant

[cobalt pewter]

maritans

[dense locust]

gss?

[drowsy plank]

great sand shark

[frosty trellis]

That is strictly stated as post golem on the wiki tbf and most people fight her post golem due to her difficulty

[dense locust]

wtf

[lucid flare]

calamity mod and its 7000 acronyms

[golden sonnet]

Is sand shark not getting killed

[tired haven]

"all the youtubers"

[cobalt pewter]

by that logic wall of flesh is a preboss boss

[lucid flare]

by that logic all of pre-hardmode is preboss*

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[dense locust]

didn't you know, the word "all" means "40% or more" in internet terms

[frosty trellis]

Moons have always been more post plant than anything

[drowsy plank]

the last thing desert needs is to become even more irrelevant

[tired haven]

I did, and that's what makes it funny

[frosty trellis]

Especially when the Martian Invasion was introduced

[small timber]

because turns out moons are post-Plant, because it is available post-Plant

[tired haven]

Not the first time it happens
Did you know hellstone is post-dungeon?

Me neither

[golden sonnet]

Wtf

[small timber]

to certain degree it is relogic enforcing the idea of "moons are not post-Plant", if they want to make it actual post-Golem they could had very easily make it so it is mandatory post-Golem (eg: crafting mat restriction)

[golden sonnet]

No way that's true

[drowsy plank]

empress is post-WoF in cal so avaliability really isn't an arguement towards intended progression

[cobalt pewter]

I personally prefer to recognize these on post golem for these anyways because plant just has way too much

[small timber]

yeah something about hellstone being post-Skeletron which is why hellstone stuffs are so strong

[cobalt pewter]

and yes, hell is supposed to be after dungeon

[small timber]

you are not even supposed to explore underworld pre-skelly iirc

yeah

[golden sonnet]

It's post plant still

[cobalt pewter]

but really, dungeon is an enigma in and of itself

[dense locust]

me when 2 bosses and 2 events is "too much" (post golem would have more even if moons wern't post-golem)

[golden sonnet]

Cirrus doesn't sell it until post plant

[frosty trellis]

No empress is post-wof in cal
I've accidentally summoned her farming pixie dust

[dense locust]

they can

spawn at any time in hm

[lucid flare]

yea the lacewings can just show up

[cobalt pewter]

plant unlocks EVERY FUCKING THING

[drowsy plank]

The butterflies spawn in the Hallow at any time yes

[dense locust]

such as....

[cobalt pewter]

not even Golem will be on par with plant after the moons are officially post golem

[golden sonnet]

Oh, I didn't know cal changed their spawn time, thought it was just making them purchasable

[drowsy plank]

Plant literally just gives you Dungeon and Analevi and Aureus now

[golden sonnet]

Wack

[dense locust]

hm dungeon
jungle temple
the moons
I genuenly cannot think of a single other thing that plant "unlocks"

[small timber]

no golem will be on-par, because golem unlock a shit ton of things

[tired haven]

Eclipse too but myeah

[dense locust]

oh right

[tired haven]

Temple 💀

[frosty trellis]

Eclipse upgrade yeah

[dense locust]

????????

[drowsy plank]

post-Golem is already more bloated than post-Plant now that it lost moons

[dense locust]

yeah

[sinful violet]

so confused

[drowsy plank]

3 events, 4 bosses, arguably more

[dense locust]

good

[small timber]

martian madness
4 optional bosses (basically)
LC
scoria bar

now 2 more events

I definitely missed some

[lucid flare]

calamity kinda does that because you can skip every boss in pre-hardmode (except wall of flesh obviously)
while just about half the bosses in vanilla hardmode are mandatory to finish the game (also skeletron)

[sinful violet]

was this the initial point because like

it's less a specific boss and more the entire tier

.

like besides the broken ones like hive pod who remembers the aureus unlocks and weapon drops

[drowsy plank]

Nebulash is decent, and the flamethrower is cool

I guess you mean the enemy drops tho

[frosty trellis]

Without the moons post plant suddenly has a lot less and post golem has way-too-much bc Martians already existed and were balanced around that point in progression

So moons being post golem doesn't make sense when we have another event that's already hard as nails for some people with great drops that are almost always better than the moon drops anyways so like

Just confuses me on why that change is necessary or why moons are post golem

[dense locust]

I remember abandoned slime staff because funny haha reference

[glass arch]

some mages rely on aureus cells pretty heavily

iirc

[lucid flare]

aureus is a boss that exists that drops weapons that exist

[sinful violet]

i mean aureus drops too because realistically there's like a millimeter of distinction

[small timber]

aureus mostly is adrenaline upgrade, hive pod, borealis bomber, jelly bean (?), and then drunk princess alcohols

[sinful violet]

p much

[drowsy plank]

Cause Lenifors said so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small timber]

I mean the relevant ones, nebulash is ok I guess

[glass arch]

plus aureus cells for mage

[small timber]

gravity normalizer too

[drowsy plank]

true

[frosty trellis]

Nebulash
Aurora Blaster
Something aurealis
Heavenfall stardisk
Starburster Core
Astral Scythe

[glass arch]

g normalizers are potions that exist

[frosty trellis]

G normalizer yes those are great

[swift wharf]

If everyone considers moons to be post plant, and the drops are balanced for post plant, why do we need to care about vanilla's progression

[sinful violet]

and then the gun from the

astral enemy

(?)

scythe weapon

[frosty trellis]

^^^^^

[tired haven]

Evident by how hellstone is balanced around post-evil1, nobody does indeed care

[glass arch]

i honestly never use g normalizers aside from dog

[frosty trellis]

Astral Scythe
Aka: Bye Bye Levi

[swift wharf]

well the terraria dev said- this isn't vanilla

[swift wharf]

that is correct

[drowsy plank]

Because we don't anymore?? I talked to Ozz, and Ozz talked to boss checklist, and on top of it improve summoner balance, the moons are getting moved.

[small timber]

no to put it simply they basically used an excuse of it being post-Golem to not nerf the weapon

because very obviously most of moons weapon are way above post-Plant (except the nerf one which tend to be overnerfed)

[swift wharf]

the only hell gear that is balanced for post skeletron is shadow chest gear

[small timber]

I mean vanilla

[glass arch]

what tier is hellstone supposed to be in vanilla

[tired haven]

Molten fury also is but, shhh

[sinful violet]

post evil

ish

[glass arch]

oh ok

[sinful violet]

reaver shark exists

[swift wharf]

hellstone is meant to be post skeletron in vanilla

reaver shark nerf

[lucid flare]

yea because instead of saying "errm... this is post skeletron actually 🤓" , they actually made it so

[swift wharf]

lol!

[tired haven]

Volcano after a rework is getting there I guess

[glass arch]

i will kill

[sinful violet]

oh right that's

vanilla change

[frosty trellis]

Yeah hellstone and shadow chest drops are post skele

In vanilla

Always have been

[sinful violet]

what makes it post skeletron instead of post evil remind me

[glass arch]

i was just about to say if someone said post skeletron i was gonna kill something

[sinful violet]

i know shadow chests are shadow key locked but

[tired haven]

Intent. Nothing else

[glass arch]

something something shadow chest bullshittery

[sinful violet]

i thought you could break hellstone with nightmare stuff

[glass arch]

you can

[lucid flare]

you can

[glass arch]

and everyone does

[frosty trellis]

Hell, Deerclops is supposed to be post skeletron despite all of his drops dealing 100> DPS

[tired haven]

Dungeon doesn't even give a pickaxe so

[swift wharf]

deerclops isn't real

[glass arch]

but its still intended for post skele

[sinful violet]

hellstone=/=shadow chest "tier" right

[frosty trellis]

^

[tired haven]

He is meant to be an alt but yeah

still very poor

[frosty trellis]

In cal yes
In vanilla no

[swift wharf]

deerclops is like

eye tier

[fervent orbit]

wat is sugg disc arguing discussing about this time

[frosty trellis]

Hellstone = Shadow Chest tier in vanilla

[glass arch]

i have legit never actually done deerclops

[dense locust]

progression

[drowsy plank]

#1042197406776827914 message

if we can move past arguing where it should be, because we already did that, id just like to address the original idea of shifting stuff around

[frosty trellis]

He is an alt that gets outclassed by post crab weapons

[fervent orbit]

oh yea its hell

[fossil finch]

we should just remove half the calamity bosses that fixes the prob

[sinful violet]

out of curiosity where's that established?

[fossil finch]

like just a random arbitrary thanos snap or something

[sinful violet]

is it like some wiki guide or is there something im forgetting

[tired haven]

shadow chest is slightly higher because it requires you to visit both dungeon and underworld
but it's likely not enforced at all

[small timber]

shadowchest tend to be stronger than hellstone yeah, though not super sure about calamity

[sinful violet]

because i always assumed vanilla's intended design was going down for molten stuff pre skeletron and coming back post skeletron for the chests and WoF

[dense locust]

ture.....

[small timber]

most calamity hellstone stuffs are super strong

[lucid flare]

an alt of king slime, if anything

[fossil finch]

literally nowhere is any set progression and tiering stablished
All you can go off is based on how vanilla devs balance things around which is why the post golem festive moons is a thing now (leinfors said in the forums once that festive moon stuff is balanced for post golem)

[small timber]

I mean vanilla design also includes goblin tinkerer being post-EoC

[tired haven]

Mostly a gartic phone with devs

[small timber]

due to purification powder instead of bombs

[sinful violet]

[fossil finch]

we find it very hard to believe thats the case

[sinful violet]

goo

d

[fossil finch]

at the same time, skeletron was the final boss for a while before wof was added

[small timber]

when it is actually easier to figure out using bombs than purification powder just because it is so unintuitive

[glass arch]

i never actually knew hellstone was intended post skele

but then again ive only ever finished 2 vanilla pts

[sinful violet]

so the only reason we know what's "intended" is because of a bunch of random comments from devs ?

[small timber]

tldr, yes

[swift wharf]

i mean have you seen the lore

[glass arch]

basically

[lucid flare]

what is that supposed to mean

[sinful violet]

well that sounds about right

[sinful violet]

true

[tired haven]

Vanilla includes it post-eow because apparently you are not allowed to get 2 orbs and dip, you should get all 3 and win

[small timber]

not "random comment", but rather they stated so

why? dont know

[sinful violet]

understandable

[tired haven]

Although take that last one with a bit of salt

[sinful violet]

have a good day

[sinful violet]

vanilla devs watching me magic mirror out after getting enough shadow scales from eow segments to craft nightmare

[glass arch]

eow should be a joke but i fucking hate that fight in vanilla because you cant see half the projectiles

[fossil finch]

well they made and designed the game so you better believe them

[undone cedar]

terraria design (nonexistent) (stuff was just added the game is not designed)

[fossil finch]

there is kinda literally no reason to not believe them

[small timber]

it is also mostly because the intended way of getting it is purification powder which is post-eye iirc

[lucid flare]

that's probably why they made you have to beat the evil boss to get meteor instead of just breaking the shadow orb/crimson heart

[fossil finch]

TRUE

so real so true citrus quote

[sinful violet]

eow in vanilla projectiles can be tanked so easily that they dont matter at least 💪

[small timber]

refer this one

[undone cedar]

😊

[fossil finch]

never been anything TRUER in this channel

[small timber]

^

[lucid flare]

i se

[frosty trellis]

To quote the official wiki on the hellstone bar page:
"Hellstone Bars are bars crafted from Hellstone and Obsidian. They are used to craft some of the most powerful equipment available pre-Hardmode, and remain useful, if not necessary, in dealing with the shift in difficulty upon entering Hardmode"

Meaning it's supposed to be strong enough to help manage the brutal early parts of early hardmode as well as being some of the strongest gear for phm

Not explicitly stated, but the point comes across

[sinful violet]

yeah that makes sense

[dense locust]

remove crabulon
remove evil 2's
remove cryogen
remove brimstone
remove calclone
remove ani/levi
remove aurous
remove ravager
remove pbg
remove dragonfolly
remove signus
remove exo mechs
calamity is now balanced

[tired haven]

they watched and they fixed. kinda. slightly

[sinful violet]

it doesnt really specify when you should go for it though

[fossil finch]

why are we using the wiki its easier to dig up some redigit message in discord going "uhhhhhhhhhhh yes hellstone is post skeletron"

[glass arch]

KILL
you DO NOT GET RID of my MACHINATIONS

[sinful violet]

im so behind on vanilla development did they try to address that or something

[drowsy plank]

all that does is return us to like cal 1.0 xd

[cobalt pewter]

not enough
remove all cal bosses

they're kinda terrible anyways

[tired haven]

They shifted the ratio of scales you get from the boss to the bag

[dense locust]

TRUE

[sinful violet]

that sounds familiar yeah

[glass arch]

keep the exos :/

[tired haven]

Still not a complete lockdown iirc

[fossil finch]

dont think the wiki should be used for this because while its officially endorsed and has had multiple times dev input not all of it is specifically curated or revised by devs

[sinful violet]

not enough to stop me though :walter

[tired haven]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

yall can just... disable the mod...

[cobalt pewter]

why would we keep mechs 2.5

[lucid flare]

i had NO IDEA you were supposed to break the things with the purification powder

[glass arch]

haha beeg robot

[fossil finch]

anyways purification powder usage was shown in the very first terraria trailer so skill issue honestly

[sinful violet]

opinion: exos can go i dont want to do zig zag up down simulator again until like the last attacks from ares and thanatos

[tired haven]

terraria 1.0 lore

[fossil finch]

dont think its unintuitive at all specially when npc dialogue REALLY carries you through that one

[dense locust]

I remember when 1.4 first came out wiki listed empress as "filling the brief gap between plantera and golem"

[cobalt pewter]

who even uses purification powder

[sinful violet]

npc dialogue should NEVER be included as part of the intended experience due to how shit it is

[glass arch]

people who want the tax collector (why)

[drowsy plank]

i didnt even know you could break orbs with powders considering the demolishonist is always talking about blowing up the world evils lmfao

[fossil finch]

wrong opinion

[tired haven]

I somehow hate that more than premech duke

[fossil finch]

like thats just a very shitty opinion

[sinful violet]

no its a true one

[undone cedar]

Bombs my beloved

[sinful violet]

the good opinion is redesign npc dialogue from the ground up

dont expect people to exit and enter a UI menu to roll into applicable advice

🫵

[fossil finch]

npc dialogue is the only line between terraria beeing a reasonable game and it being fucking pre recipe book minecraft where good fucking luck finding out how things are done

[undone cedar]

Redesign npcs 👍

[dense locust]

guide help menu

[sinful violet]

that's just the guide recipe browser...

[lucid flare]

everything that the dryad says is for you to use the purification powder on the ebonstone/crimstone & given that her thing is purifyign the world i thought she just wanted you to. use them in the stone, to clear the world xDDDDD

[sinful violet]

that's not dialogue.......

[cobalt pewter]

redesign terraria 👍

[fossil finch]

thats fine but acting like npc dialogue as is shouldnt be taken into account is a shitty as fuck opinion

[drowsy plank]

npcs are bad but just because they're bad doesnt mean we should make them worse

[undone cedar]

Terraria is a very wiki reliant game for new players

[fossil finch]

did you know release terraria did not have guide recipe browser

scary times

[sinful violet]

well what part of the game should it be taken into account for?

[tired haven]

Dark souls did it right where you see the repeating line and instantly realize "yeah I exhausted dialogue"
Meanwhile terraria, you might as well use crystal ball vending machine from isaac, it'd give better advice on average

[sinful violet]

flavor/character? fine

progression?

NO !!

[fossil finch]

all of the vanilla relevant ones because npc dialogue literally tells you about a bunch of shit

[drowsy plank]

amidias..,.,..

[dense locust]

as I said, guide help dialogue

[glass arch]

guide would be so awesome

[lucid flare]

the guide should just give me advice without my consent so i actually am forced to learn about how the game works

[fossil finch]

like you cant just ignore that half the quotes you get in early game are about breaking the fucking orbs

[cobalt pewter]

revamp the whole game, fix every single one of its problems, town npcs included

[sinful violet]

as it is it CAN be helpful but the way its designed is Not Good

[drowsy plank]

the guide should give you a manual like ralsei in deltyrune

[cobalt pewter]

the guide should be riding your back while you're starting out

[dense ferry]

Amidias advice at least loops

[sinful violet]

the voices in my head

[drowsy plank]

true

[sinful violet]

amidias help menu was another mistake

[glass arch]

but it fuckin sucks because you need to get the material first to see the recipes it unlocks
and if that thing is part of a crafting tree good luck finding its componenets

[fossil finch]

anyways terraria sucks at conveying information we all know that

[sinful violet]

🤝

[drowsy plank]

we should just make a new dialogue system like the stars above this will be incredibly simple

[fossil finch]

take a shot every time a negative terraria review mentions not knowing what to do and quittin in the first half an hour because of being stuck doing nothing interesting and the game is slow

[frosty trellis]

I'm looking at all the walkthroughs and stuff on the official wiki and no where does it ever recommend hellstone gear for anything until WoF

QB and Skeletron have stuff like Crimson/Shadow/Jungle/Meteor armor and weapons that aren't from the underworld

Which if the intended progression was hellstone after evil1, doesn't make sense to not recommend hellstone gear at that point

[sinful violet]

alcohol poisoning calamity reference

[dense ferry]

We should make every NPC canonically mute so they don't have to talk

[cobalt pewter]

NPCs should be able to parkour through enemies as a bare minimum for survival

[swift wharf]

add patchouli support for terraria

[drowsy plank]

it's amazing how much this convo has spiraled

[undone cedar]

Patchouli knowledge

[sinful violet]

nooo guys you dont get it haha imbibing all these hard liquors until my blood alcohol level is at 70% is just a calamity reference

[sinful violet]

true!

[fossil finch]

like we are actually impressed terraria managed to be top 1 positive with how fucking awful it is for starter players to do not know anything about it beforehand

[undone cedar]

Mrrp moment

[cobalt pewter]

that's because the community carries the game

[sinful violet]

^

[drowsy plank]

yo is that a vanilla mining speed cap reference?!?!?1?!

[swift wharf]

because tmod

lol! !! !

[lucid flare]

i mean just look at minecraft

[swift wharf]

do you think people play vanilla

[lucid flare]

it doesn't do that either and it's the best sold game like, ever

[cobalt pewter]

if it isn't for the community it's a shit game internally

[swift wharf]

lmao!

[sinful violet]

well people obv do play vanilla

[dense locust]

yes

a lot more than you think

[sinful violet]

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if they were the majority

[cobalt pewter]

there are bajilion more games with better internal design and optimization

[fossil finch]

on the mining sped note love the latest changelogs making changes that just worsen the game experience for no actual reason

[undone cedar]

Vanilla has a large player base

[fossil finch]

we also love fixing problems that do not exist

[drowsy plank]

mining too strong

[sinful violet]

was mining speed being too strong an issue or something

[fossil finch]

vanilla has to be the majority for every game with a prominent modding scene anyway because consoles and phones dont get those

[golden sonnet]

I think like 80% of my hours are on vanilla, and I play modded a good bit

[swift wharf]

most of my hours in vanilla are actually tmod 1.3 hours

[golden sonnet]

Just because I started with vanilla

[fossil finch]

most minecraft players play on bedrock

[drowsy plank]

i guess they didnt like how fast you reached the mining cap or something

[dense locust]

arround 35% of my time is on modded

[sinful violet]

oops!

[swift wharf]

uncanny

[cobalt pewter]

vanilla is the majority.

as much as the delusional mod players would believe, outside of cal, modding is a minority of Terraria playerbase

[glass arch]

unironically around 99.9% of my time is on modded

[sinful violet]

i suspected as much

[undone cedar]

True truth

[sinful violet]

i want them to do a poll or something

[drowsy plank]

<- 2k hours on tmod

[fossil finch]

this is with every game with a modding scene

[undone cedar]

Like we are in the modded community

So

[sinful violet]

id love to see the info

[cobalt pewter]

it just so happens that cal is carried by DM Dokuro to break through the modding (and terraria) circle

[dense ferry]

And most often than not they aren't as annoying as we are about the mistakes of Vanilla

[undone cedar]

We are surrounded by people who Play Mods

[lucid flare]

can't believe fabsol removed mining speed buffs from ore armors, said that ancient chisel was good enough, then nerfed that too

[dense locust]

therefore, everyone must play mods
echo chamber? whats that?

[sinful violet]

what happened with cal's base mining speed buff

[dense locust]

still exists

[glass arch]

still exists

[fossil finch]

we love fixing problems that do not exist!!! we love fixing problems that do not exist!! we love fixing problems that

[dense ferry]

It's still there

[sinful violet]

is that still a th

.

hm

[undone cedar]

[sinful violet]

curious

[swift wharf]

vanilla players aren't real they're all figments of your imagination

[glass arch]

idk i guess they just didnt like 2 items hitting the cap

[cobalt pewter]

damn this chat needs correction 💢

getting supremely derailed

[fossil finch]

good lord we have the fucking
Indie World stream on our phone and we got
Jumpscared by rockstar freddy jumpscare on the security breach for switch showcase

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dense ferry]

True!

[fossil finch]

release day switch running security breach

[sinful violet]

alright thats not even terraria design anymore

[undone cedar]

Emtesh true

Yeah true

[fossil finch]

its true!

[fervent orbit]

im just lurking here dont mind me

[fossil finch]

anyways terraria design conclusion is that terraria was not designed

[swift wharf]

this is why golem should be removed

[glass arch]

emtesh true is a new phrase i shall now use

[fossil finch]

still havent seen a single video essay speaking about terrarias design

this is how you know its bad

[dense locust]

more fun anyway, people don't laugh at your opinions if you never share them

[swift wharf]

people only make essays of good games ender

[glass arch]

YES let me beat the game pre hardmode!!!!!!!!!

[dense ferry]

This is why people shouldn't play Terraria

[fossil finch]

yeah thats our point

[glass arch]

soo true

[swift wharf]

s

[dense ferry]

Anyways bye I need to school

[lucid flare]

can we blame that on terraria being 93 years old videogame

[sinful violet]

the only fun ive seen veteran terraria plays have with terraria was breaking it over their knees

[fossil finch]

terraria design is also bad because never you're made to look up

[fervent orbit]

no u dont

[fossil finch]

no we cant beacuse its still constantly updated

[drowsy plank]

i saw a terraria design essay once

[lucid flare]

swag

[drowsy plank]

i disagreed with like half his points lmao

[undone cedar]

Ive seen some but uhh

They arent good

[drowsy plank]

so true!

[glass arch]

jfl has a terraria design video essay iirc

[sinful violet]

me trying to find out how terraria did it

[undone cedar]

Not naming names tho 😊

[fossil finch]

and because Super Mario Bros for the Nintendo Entertainment System, originally the Famicon, short for Family Console, is a good game and is old as fuck

[fervent orbit]

they did not care

[swift wharf]

terraria was just popular

[fossil finch]

the whip video from shy guy mask does not count by the way

[swift wharf]

you see it was in the right place in the right time

[sinful violet]

what the fuck are you talking about

[swift wharf]

wait a minute this reminds me of something

[drowsy plank]

terraria did it bc it's a sandbox game

[swift wharf]

[sinful violet]

honestly true

[glass arch]

one hell of a sandbox

[undone cedar]

Terraria was way more of a sandbox early on

[lucid flare]

kinda reminds me of another block placing game...

[sinful violet]

probably combination of the standards back then being way different from nowadays and riding the sandbox hype

[fossil finch]

terraria was like one of the first sandboxes they were just starting and it got aht push early

[swift wharf]

wrong answer

[drowsy plank]

it's like minecraft where the novel fact you could do anything carried the game for like half a decade until they realized they actually needed to design a game

[fervent orbit]

hardmode ruined terrarias sandbox

[cobalt pewter]

2d minecraft

[undone cedar]

Like first release basically is a sandbox

[swift wharf]

incorrect buzzer

[cobalt pewter]

fuck Zyou

it's cafvutal

[dense locust]

mincraft but I fight things instead of build things

[cobalt pewter]

factual

[fossil finch]

its also not like mc in that it instantly automatically lost any pull of its sandbox aspect

[drowsy plank]

xd

[glass arch]

minecraft isnt hard necessarily it just gets old fast (for me)

[fossil finch]

it becamse weird 2d game where you flew around and killed things

[undone cedar]

Yeah terraria has become less and less of a sandbox

[drowsy plank]

minecraft touhou........

[swift wharf]

it was new and interesting and it had dragons and space worms and big damage

that is why it was succesful

[dense locust]

tbf I've still seen it's sandbox aspect from time to time

[fossil finch]

like we Really Would Not call terraria a sandbox at all

[glass arch]

i have gotten diamonds once and i burned in lava almost immediately after and i havent touched mc since

[sinful violet]

my exploration....... where did my exploration go.........

[dense locust]

you just have to know where to look

[fossil finch]

its stuck in prehardmod!!!

thats where its the exploration

early prehardmode

[fervent orbit]

always dig around your diamonds to check theres no lava

[drowsy plank]

this is why we have cal subworlds

surely distortion will fix this

[glass arch]

no no i was just mining and directly behind a block was a lava pool

[fossil finch]

surely clueless emoji

[lucid flare]

[glass arch]

it wasnt near any diamonds

[undone cedar]

They should have added subworlds in vanilla ong

[drowsy plank]

terraria 2

[fervent orbit]

oh u meant after the diamonds

[glass arch]

the nether

but 2d

[fervent orbit]

yea u were mining on the incorrect y level

[lucid flare]

do u guys think this is going to be real

[sinful violet]

subworlds are hell because you either have to handsculpt the whole experience, put in basically as much effort as it took to gen the entire overworld, or it'll end up feeling underwhelming as shit

[fossil finch]

want to know something fun after nether was implemented they had to rewrite the entirety of minecraft so itd work with the nether in multiplayer

[fervent orbit]

shouldve known lava spawns at y level 10 and u shouldnt do any stripmining under that

[fossil finch]

alternatively just make good generation we think

[drowsy plank]

terraria 2 is something they're working on, they've made it clear that they want to keep working on terraria as an idea but the engine is holding it back

plus the funny poll

[fossil finch]

like just dont reuse vanilla gen or use the same gen for the entire subworld

[glass arch]

when re logic physically cant add anything more to terraria probably

[sinful violet]

that falls under put in basically as much effort to gen as the entire overworld

because it's going to be a much smaller space

[swift wharf]

ah yes it's because of "the engine" and not "not trying to optimize and reworking their own code"

[dense locust]

you underrestimate the power of crossovers

[sinful violet]

truee

[fossil finch]

did you know numerical ids are a curse

[sinful violet]

they did stardew valley in like labor of love

[swift wharf]

that's why mc removed them in 1.8

[drowsy plank]

yes their shit code is the engine

[sinful violet]

whens the monster hunter crossover

[lucid flare]

well um reLogic said that they were doing Terraria's True Super-Omega Final Update (ver5_final) [For real this time] so um

[swift wharf]

there are no bad engines just bad coders

[fervent orbit]

when terraria 2

[swift wharf]

[fossil finch]

we are very glad capcom paid no attention to the monster hunter thing so we dont have yet another crossover to worry about

[glass arch]

no when they physically cant add anything more because of shit code and a massively outdated engine

[sinful violet]

the ultimate finale would be minecraft crossover

[drowsy plank]

me when i built my sandbox touhou game off of my super mario bros fangame

[dense locust]

ah

[swift wharf]

literally payday 2

[lucid flare]

the creeper suit:

[fossil finch]

mc crossover already happened

[swift wharf]

LMAO

[fossil finch]

but in the one timeline where vaema finally finishes and releases a mod minecraft and terraria fuse in like 2096

[drowsy plank]

we already got that we got the creeper suit and minecraf got. a single status message

[fossil finch]

this is true

and sunflowers technically

[sinful violet]

damn...

[fossil finch]

they were added for this motive

xd

[sinful violet]

wdym sunflowers

what

[undone cedar]

Terraria also got a status message!

[swift wharf]

terraria risk of rain crossover i will literally stop complaining about the game

[fossil finch]

theyd never do that because itd be good

[glass arch]

wither spawn method was based off terraria spawn methods iirc

[lucid flare]

terraria 2 with twice as many crossovers

[drowsy plank]

terraria just ends up like fortnite and smash where most of it is just other people's stuff

[fossil finch]

anyways smbx and terraria communities obviously overlap because we all share the same pain

the curse of red

[swift wharf]

just buy smm2

[fossil finch]

this is important because united we may be able to destroy relogic as a company and prevent this from happening again