again
#suggestions-discussion
drowsy plank
even if you dont just
fishing exists
just get a corruption crate
you know what
sleek turret
just cheat in smh /s
sleek turret
regardless of class tbh they're good early game weapons
drowsy plank
@serene tendon the reasoning on this is just too weak, and the plantera case just isn't true anymore, maybe if you address why the player couldn't just... go fishing for corruption/crimson crates if they're... idfk playing hardcore and don't want to despawn the boss i guess????
dense locust
imagine not being classless for early game,.,.,..,,.
true
drowsy plank
this is so ridiculously specific i just cannot imagine why cal would ever bother doing this
sleek turret
give this man a True
eternal escarp
anyway yeah as i said
serene tendon
<@798699298064695306> the reasoning on this is just too weak, and the plantera c...
Wait, it doesn't always drop a grenade launcher first time anymore?
drowsy plank
No
eternal escarp
its prolly too much effort for any yield regardless of the actual ampunt of effort (since i dont think thid would rewlly yield anything)
drowsy plank
hasn't since... idk 3DS edition
serene tendon
Cal change or Vanilla change?
drowsy plank
vanilla
drowsy plank
check wiki ¯_(ツ)_/¯
swift wharf
swift wharf
it is just for 3ds
serene tendon
No, the 3DS part is referring to the percentage
sleek turret
look to the weapon's wiki page
serene tendon
14.29% on modern versions, 16.67 on 3DS and old gen console
swift wharf
i'm opening the game
serene tendon
look to the weapon's wiki page
"and on non-Expert or Master Mode worlds, it is guaranteed to drop the first time Plantera is defeated."
swift wharf
i mean
drowsy plank
regardless!!!!!!
serene tendon
That part I didn't realize
drowsy plank
still a pointless convo!!!!
swift wharf
there's no expert or master in 3ds
drowsy plank
because we are ignoring the fact that cal overhauls boss drops
swift wharf
me maliciously creating a small world on calamity mod
drowsy plank
so that every item has an independent chance to drop, but is always guaranteed to drop one minimum
so sure you DO always get nade
swift wharf
anyways glauncher is not the issue in the suggestion lmao
drowsy plank
but you still have just as likely a chance to get any other item alongside it because they are independent rolls
serene tendon
so that every item has an independent chance to drop, but is always guaranteed t...
Forgot about that
serene tendon
The question for the sugg now is would it be simple deletion of a couple code lines, as possible as adding more liquids, or something in the middle?
drowsy plank
the question is why bother still lmfao
serene tendon
If 2 or 3, than I'll just delete the sugg
eternal escarp
its still more hassle than worth even if its a few lines anyway
drowsy plank
i already flagged it lmao
eternal escarp
it doesnt really grant anything
drowsy plank
very true
weak field
Editing code is always hard
swift wharf
the problem is not the code it's the suggestion 😭
serene tendon
Alright, I'll just delete it
weak field
That aside editing any vanilla behaviour is a hassle
drowsy plank
the plantera point is inaccurate, and the orb point is irrelevant because fishing exists and also Why Would We Even Do That
aight
weak field
Incredible
serene tendon
the plantera point is inaccurate, and the orb point is irrelevant because fishin...
Mmm, yes, fishing. Every Terrarian's favorite part of the game
drowsy plank
fishing, the mechanic specifically made to allow you to get items renewably if the rolls are not favorable, yes
eternal escarp
me when fishing is better than grinding
drowsy plank
lmao
serene tendon
me when fishing is better than grinding
Fishing IS grinding
hollow ridge
Nah
eternal escarp
(i get good rewards with less effort)
hollow ridge
It's tranquility
wide river
me when fishing is better than grinding
Fishing is fun, given the right circumstances
glass arch
fishing is boring but like
its super easy and absolutely goated for some classes at certain stages
wide river
If you aren't trying to get something in particular, or aren't trying to do a fishing quest, fishing is completely fine
weak field
Ok well fishing and grinding mobs are both grinding and both can be fun
eternal escarp
kids these days with their taktoks and their instant grans...
serene tendon
Now time to go make a fishing overhaul sugg (I'm kidding)
blazing kettle
more stardew fishing please
weak field
5-S is if fishing was good
hollow ridge
kids these days with their taktoks and their instant grans...
Let's get you back to bed grandpa...
drowsy plank
it will get rejected for being too much work just like the last one 💥
weak field
Fishing is hard mfs when I tell them to make another world instead
drowsy plank
i wish fishing overhaul was real but even red doesnt want to do it
eternal escarp
yeah
hollow ridge
Byeah QoL in 2024 ruins alot including fishing tbh imo iir
sleek turret
fishing overhaul number indeterminate with ideas coming from other games where in theory could work but it probanly doesn't practically
eternal escarp
maybe fishing was meant to be simple.........
drowsy plank
serene tendon
more stardew fishing please
There's a mod that does that already, thankfully.
serene tendon
maybe fishing was meant to be simple.........
It can be simple without being boring
blazing kettle
There's a mod that does that already, thankfully.
i want more
serene tendon
Like how Stardew does it
blazing kettle
just do what minecraft did for its most recent snapshot
serene tendon
lol
eternal escarp
i don't want to play this game more
mood
drowsy plank
tfw even minecraft has better fishing
wide river
frsnkly boring is subjective
who knoes maybe people like the sit still and click
I'm not a fan of the "sit still and click" method, but it's better than endless bosses and events for sure
serene tendon
tfw even minecraft has better fishing
The ONE thing it has over Terraria
eternal escarp
omw to fish up a suspicious stew and a lilypad (the real fish are hiding)
wide river
omw to fish up a suspicious stew and a lilypad (the real fish are hiding)
When you fish up another fishing rod
blazing kettle
at least you can eat the stew
drowsy plank
noooo! minecraft has the funny water particles that swim to your cursor c=
swift wharf
the size 2
serene tendon
omw to fish up a suspicious stew and a lilypad (the real fish are hiding)
In both games, the last thing you want is fish
blazing kettle
pokemon has better fishing
eternal escarp
wrong
wide river
pokemon has better fishing
So true
blazing kettle
you fish simething up and beat the crap out of it
drowsy plank
that's because pokemon fishing just has you play pokemon
worldly basalt
duke fishron
eternal escarp
i hate getting 79 magikarps to find a dratini
drowsy plank
that's just blood moon fishing
serene tendon
duke fishron
True
worldly basalt
pokemon fishing is pretty much the same as terraria
blazing kettle
i hate getting 79 magikarps to find a dratini
you fish for dratini? skill issue ig
worldly basalt
you use the rod, wait a bit, then pull it back when something happens
serene tendon
that's just blood moon fishing
Yeah
eternal escarp
anyway the topic has died here iirc so buhbye
wide river
duke fishron
"A wild Duke Fishron appeared!"
"Go, Sanguine Bats!"
worldly basalt
fish for dratini? everyone knows you gamble your life savings for it
blazing kettle
EXACTLY
wide river
anyway the topic has died here iirc so buhbye
👋
worldly basalt
kid named voltorb flip calculator website
drowsy plank
in minecraft you fish by stabbing the fish
SO true
the actual fishing is for books 
glass arch
i have never played enough pokemon to get past route 1
i am not joking i stopped playing dpp like 10 minutes in because i couldnt find where i was supposed to be going
blazing kettle
gen 4 is boring anyways
drowsy plank
that's hilarious
worldly basalt
looking up walkthroughs 👍
either that or gen 7 which literally marks where the next cutscene will be
glass arch
nah i emulated that shit so i cant play any other gens
worldly basalt
there's no gen 7 emulator? sad
a speed-up function to skip the cutscenes would be great
blazing kettle
gen 9 where you are given a map with every goal in sight
glass arch
there's no gen 7 emulator? sad
if there is i havent found it
worldly basalt
i havent played gen 9 yet tbh
wide river
looking up walkthroughs 👍
either that or gen 7 which literally marks where the...
Gen 7 is literally "You walked 2 steps? Here's another person to tell you where to go"
worldly basalt
gen 7 is cool but the cutscenes are so damn long and unskippable
glass arch
hold on gen 7 is sun and moon right
worldly basalt
yea
blazing kettle
im currently trying to shiny hunt chespin
worldly basalt
chespin best gen 6 starter 😤 😤
blazing kettle
THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING
worldly basalt
furries just cant handle how epic chesnaught is
glass arch
ok so yeah since gen 7 is fully 3d thats probably a big limiter for emulators
wide river
I've only ever played gen 3, 4, and 8
Specifically, Pokemon Ruby, Pokemon Shining Pearl, and Pokemon Shield respectively
blazing kettle
its also the only good grass type shiny
worldly basalt
isn't 7 pretty much the same as 6 though?
drowsy plank
chesnaught is like 7/10 i like the others more tbh tbh
worldly basalt
chesnaught is like 7/10 i like the others more tbh tbh
wrong opinion
wide river
isn't 7 pretty much the same as 6 though?
X and Y
The two Pokemon games I always forget about
blazing kettle
breloom is an exception
novel belfry
Hey guys, is it just me or is Golem doing too much damage or something
worldly basalt
kalos is a neat region, hopefully when Z inevitably gets made they'll make it actually good
dense locust
x and y is unfinished
ehhhhhh
blazing kettle
we were meant to get a third game to tie up loose ends and we didnt
worldly basalt
someone suggest adding pokemon to calam
novel belfry
Lol
glass arch
oh yeah x and y exist
the only pokemon i know of from them is yveltal and thats only because i had a yveltal pokemon card that hard carried my deck when i was like 5
worldly basalt
oh yeah x and y exist
the only pokemon i know of from them is yveltal and thats ...
aegislash line:
blazing kettle
yveltal is cool af
wide river
i wanna hear what Overdone is saying
I too am curious about this
worldly basalt
so many of the gen 6 pokemon never were seen again, it's unfortunate
novel belfry
maybe its just my world gen somehow fucking up the big temple arena so now I have to deal with THOSE projectiles
blazing kettle
so many of the gen 6 pokemon never were seen again, it's unfortunate
the gen 8 and 9 in question
novel belfry
I've had to resort to using cheat sheet to at least make it better
worldly basalt
Hey guys, is it just me or is Golem doing too much damage or something
try getting hit less 👍 hope this helps 😊
wide river
maybe its just my world gen somehow fucking up the big temple arena so now I hav...
The fireballs or the lasers?
blazing kettle
gen 5 has it bad
drowsy plank
worldly basalt
the gen 8 and 9 in question
what about them? 8 had goodra (best pokemon in existence) and also H-goodra which is nice but what about the other ones
worldly basalt
1984
wide river
Did you make this on the fly
drowsy plank
yes
blazing kettle
what about them? 8 had goodra (best pokemon in existence) and also H-goodra whic...
i dont actually remember fuck
but gen 9 brought back a lot of gen 6 mons
wide river
It's excellently made
I like the part where the font changes mid sentence
novel belfry
This is absolutely hilarious
blazing kettle
including the goddamn keys
worldly basalt
klefki overhated
novel belfry
i would be happy if this was for some reason pinned or even better, just casually turned into a sticker
blazing kettle
i like klefki but its funny to hate on it
worldly basalt
wasn't a common strat in USUM to use klefki to use prankster toxic then stall necrozma?
blazing kettle
?????
worldly basalt
something along those lines
blazing kettle
i dont know crap about competetive
worldly basalt
although zoroark was more common
blazing kettle
but klefki? useful? absurd
worldly basalt
i dont know crap about competetive
no, the necrozma bossfight in story
drowsy plank
i would be happy if this was for some reason pinned or even better, just casuall...
idk you can send suggestions for stickers via modmail
wide river
the fireballs though are especially annoying
In any case, the fireballs should be doing 160 damage at most, and the lasers should be doing 172
These measurements are from Revengeance, so if you're getting higher values than that, check if you're on Revengeance
wide river
Fireballs on Death do 176, and lasers do 188
novel belfry
ye
so it's pure suffering on the last phase
EVEN after using cheat sheet to expand the arena, it's absurdly annoying
glass arch
golem is a boss for the ages
wide river
Golem is
novel belfry
fuck it, killed him enraged
worldly basalt
golem is, without a doubt, one of the bosses in terraria
drowsy plank
are we sure tho?
novel belfry
in a surface arena since I can't fucking handle him normally
drowsy plank
like are we sure he is?
novel belfry
yes
drowsy plank
me trying to remember if you could just build a lihzard temple somewhere else in the jungle
in 1.4.4 you can since you can get bricks from bohldors, turn them into walls, and then shimmer them lol
and then use old power cell
wide river
Frankly, what I'm more confused about is the fact that Dazed even exists
north oracle
that is a very good poitn
glass arch
vanilla unused debuff no clue why they didnt remove it
wide river
It's a debuff that can't be inflicted under any normal circumstances in vanilla, yet for some reason Anahita inflicts it because ???
north oracle
because you don't get to be immune to this one
glass arch
yeah but like
its worse than confused because unlike confused you dont get to move with it
north oracle
i didn't even know dazed existed till about 10 minutes ago tbh
wide river
I thought Dazed was a modded debuff until I looked it up
random pasture
Anahita inflicts dazed?
glass arch
and with the amount of stuff happening in analevis fight its a recipe for disaster
glass arch
Anahita inflicts dazed?
ye
random pasture
Huh.
wide river
Anahita inflicts dazed?
The Treble Clef attack does, ye
random pasture
I don't think I have ever been hit by it
glass arch
used to inflict confused with the music notes but now inflicts dazed
north oracle
wait yeah, i thought that one inflicted confused lol
why was that changed
wide river
Even Confused is just better, because you can be immune to it
Not every attack needs to have a debuff attached to it that you can't prevent
glass arch
or hell just nerf dazed so its not a complete freeze in movement
small timber
You get hit you get punished
bright crag
It's a debuff that can't be inflicted under any normal circumstances in vanilla,...
Because it's a fairly debilitating effect that isn't Confused
That's why it was added
small timber
Personally I always hate that 99% of boss debuff do not matter since ankh shield give you immunity to all of it
glass arch
with more hits
and this time, unlike freeze effects there isnt a way to get immunity to it
small timber
But yeah I think most appropriate is make it Death Mode only
dense locust
Personally I always hate that 99% of boss debuff do not matter since ankh shield...
me when I didn't bother getting ankh shield (I am suffering)
wide river
Because it's a fairly debilitating effect that isn't Confused
That's why it was ...
At least there's a reason behind it
glass arch
i already hate freeze effects but at least the ones bosses inflict have some way of gaining immunity
small timber
*only Death Mode anahita inflict dazed
I dont think dazed kill your vertical mobility?
You still can fall down/fly up right?
wide river
The vanilla wiki states:
"Horizontal movement speed is reduced to a third
Reduced jump height"
The jump height reduction is never otherwise specified
weak field
It's not like most boss debuffs are interactive in the first place
Get hit and get inflicted with it, not get hit and not get inflicted, grab an immunity accessory and never get inflicted
small timber
Uncounterable debuffs create threats for specific attacks without requiring it to just deal like 2x the damage compare to other attacks, most notably to significantly telegraphed attack
Like AS poison cloud that just deal like 200 more damage from acid venom because it is telegraphed
bright crag
Thinking here
Maybe the notes can inflict Slow ig
It's debilitating, but less so
And you can indeed nullify it
small timber
I mean it used to be slow, then get buffed to dazed (other case is slime god iirc?) It just goes back to ankh shield solves everything
Imo just make dazed on notes Death Mode only
bright crag
Hmm, alright then
You should be able to suggest it officially
Since it's not really balance, it's a boss attack
wide river
I think Slow on Normal and Expert, Confused on Revengeance, and Dazed on Death might be fine
bright crag
I think Slow on Rev-
Dazed on Death
wide river
Yea, that works fine
drowsy plank
tbh tbh i was fine with the notes inflicting confused
attacks inflicting confused is neat
bright crag
I would disagree
It's a very frustrating debuff
It's doesn't just hinder your movement, it can directly lead you to getting hit again
weak field
I wish we could just inflict debuffs in more interactive ways
Look to most mmo raid boss
bright crag
What would that be like?
weak field
Like a debuff upon getting hit that spawns a movement affecting vortex if you don't remove it in time by running into some special projectile or an area or something
bright crag
That seems heavily specialized
Could be quite an interesting fight gimmick if done correctly
Though, outside of that... yeah a bit tricky to do
wide river
That sounds better for the Stars Above bosses, since all of them are fought in smaller areas with specialized gimmicks
Not sure how well that'd fit in Calamity
wind lotus
does anyone else have a connection lost issue? I have been trying to join a friends world and it allows me to join for a few seconds then kicks me out idk why
ive verified files and reinstalled didnt work
wide river
#1052323733961977947 is a better place to ask than here
Or the tModLoader Discord, one of the two
bright crag
That sounds better for the Stars Above bosses, since all of them are fought in s...
It depends
It sounds quite innovative
I guess that's part of the "would it fit Calamity?" question since Cal fights aren't massively innovative or gimmicky
It slots into vanilla in a way
small timber
Like a debuff upon getting hit that spawns a movement affecting vortex if you do...
the only reason that work in mmo is because it requires multiplayer coordination, therefore it creates sufficient difficulty because you need to have 8 players (in ff14 case) all doing basically different things to coordinate perfectly to dodge the attack
that style of attack do not work in singleplayer, it will just be "boss stop attacking and move to this location please"
otherwise it will just be a dps check to destroy specific structure on the field which is not super interesting either when you removed the coordination part
drowsy plank
It depends
It sounds quite innovative
I guess that's part of the "would it fit C...
I feel like Cal fights are mostly not innovative or gimmicky due to a lack of desire to put all the extra effort in to do so, not due to a lack of a desire from making more individualistic or unique fights tbh
just look at how we want to overhaul boss summons
small timber
even in stars above don't fit, they just forced ff14 mechanics into terraria fight and it just feels bland (ngl)
on some is ok (eg: "spell cast" telegraph) since it just depend on their approach on designing attacks, this type of telegraph allow for more complicated attacks without being unfair
but some like, "move to this block to dodge this attack" just feels out of place and unnecessary
bright crag
I feel like Cal fights are mostly not innovative or gimmicky due to a lack of de...
Possible
It's also the fact that there are multiple perspectives on boss design
Infernum is innovative
See how it gets mixed reactions :p
drowsy plank
true
...how come craft galaxia gets a funny noise but upgrading it just gives you. nothing
weird
dense locust
...how come craft galaxia gets a funny noise but upgrading it just gives you. no...
?
drowsy plank
?
crafting galaxia makes a thunderbolt noise play but crafting arc of the cosmos is just. silent
dense locust
ah
worldly sparrow
I feel like Cal fights are mostly not innovative or gimmicky due to a lack of de...
this makes me just wonder about if yharim will actually be an innovative fight compared to the others in calamity
hybrid steeple
i mean
yeah
there isnt exactly much ai you can pull from for a player-sized swordsman boss
glass arch
fighter ai yharim
worldly sparrow
the only thing i know about what its gameplay will probably be like is that it will probably be similar to senator armstrong mgr
and even then its not confirmed
hybrid steeple
the only other player sized bosses at all are mages
wide river
fighter ai yharim
Nebula Floater AI Yharim
hybrid steeple
true
lucid flare
slime ai yharim
hybrid steeple
bat ai
worldly sparrow
there isnt exactly much ai you can pull from for a player-sized swordsman boss
but what about THE LORDE sized
worldly sparrow
there isnt exactly much ai you can pull from for a player-sized swordsman boss
but like yeah it'll be hard to pull from a player-sized swordsman boss
player-sized bosses seem to always be mages
lucid flare
isn't yarim 9 feet tall
that probably means he'll be 150% the size of the player 
still tiney even compared to draedon
worldly sparrow
lunatic cultist, scal, mutant, etc
lucid flare
most ppl who aren't mages seem to be uncommonly big compared to normal terrarians
hybrid steeple
well
worldly sparrow
most ppl who aren't mages seem to be uncommonly big compared to normal terrarian...
bro cataclysm and catastrophe are huge compared to scal
lucid flare
cataclysm, catastrophe,and draedon but since that is a recon body of his he might be normal guy sized in real
dense locust
but like yeah it'll be hard to pull from a player-sized swordsman boss
what's-his-face from shadows of Abaddon
hybrid steeple
draedon is big because hes a robot
golden sonnet
bro cataclysm and catastrophe are huge compared to scal
those are constructs the result of necromancy, so also can't really be used to gauge things
lucid flare
me and my failed resurrection brother who is 7 times bigger than he was when he was alive
dense ferry
cataclysm, catastrophe,and draedon but since that is a recon body of his he migh...
If you consider a CPU to be a normal guy
oblique geyser
even in stars above don't fit, they just forced ff14 mechanics into terraria fig...
Stars above casually having the worst hitboxes possible
worldly sparrow
yharim is almost 10ft tall fun fact
10ft is 5 terraria blocks
thats still short though
wide river
Stars above casually having the worst hitboxes possible
Oh, absolutely
Their bosses either have really big hitboxes or really small ones
lucid flare
yharim should fight on a flamsteed ring kind of armor so you can hit him
lucid flare
they would not do that...
worldly sparrow
they would not do that...
ok but what if
bright crag
bro cataclysm and catastrophe are huge compared to scal
Necromancy moment
Draedon is a robot so
From what I gathered
Yharim will be a bit taller than the player
But not massively taller
swift wharf
I mean I don't think it's gonna be hard to make yharim
it'd be pretty much lc but melee
ripe owl
I mean Fargo and Terry somehow made bosses out of NPCs
(let's pretend they don't use magic)
fossil finch
They're all floaty bullet hells
Yharim is kinda very different to like, 99% of tmod bosses so far
ripe owl
...?
#suggestions-posting message
They do require the gel, what's the issue?
@neon tree could you post the link to the wiki page you might be referring to?
blazing kettle
@neon tree this sort of issue is for #wiki-discussion , not #suggestions-posting . #suggestions-posting is for ingame changes
pale nacelleBOT
Official wiki: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/
ripe owl
blazing kettle
aye there we go
ripe owl
Gottem
neon tree
Bro what
neon tree
Why tf does it bring me to the Fandom wiki when I google the Fractured Ark 💀
blazing kettle
so its outdated and has a bunch of misinformation in it
blazing kettle
Why tf does it bring me to the Fandom wiki when I google the Fractured Ark 💀
because fandom abuses a system i forget the name of
ripe owl
Why tf does it bring me to the Fandom wiki when I google the Fractured Ark 💀
Something something botting the wiki to boost it in the search engine
wide river
Why tf does it bring me to the Fandom wiki when I google the Fractured Ark 💀
Fandom makes it so their pages appear high up via SEO or something
neon tree
wtf
blazing kettle
its shitty and we cant do anything about it
neon tree
Thats fuckin cringe
red stormBOT
neon tree
ah
lavish condor
It's best to bookmark it and use it's search bar to find items imo
neon tree
Yup
wide river
^
blazing kettle
now can you delete your suggestion since it has been resolved?
we have a bit of an issue where some people come see the sugg hours later and unnessacarily comment on it
drowsy plank
now can you delete your suggestion since it has been resolved?
if yall need a suggestion deleted because it is horribly invalid just ping me lmfao
toxic basalt
This suggestion would only make it easier
you sure about that?
What I see is a boss that was attempted to be made hard by giving him a final phase that just devolves into sheer shitspam
Also the golem head can just do that
cobalt pewter
This suggestion would only make it easier
no? unpredictable chaos is not a difficulty, it's an annoyance
toxic basalt
honestly my former suggestion was just gonna be "Decrease Golem's Aggression in Phase 3"
lucid flare
that's why telegraphs exist
toxic basalt
but people probably wouldn't like that
cobalt pewter
I haven't fought golem in recent cal playthroughs
lucid flare
just about every attack from the exo mechs are telegraphed and they're still hard
toxic basalt
the lower the health he's at, the faster everything gets, his attacks, his movement
and the head becomes even more likely to just hit you point-blank
small timber
you used an arena that is like 5x bigger than intended, the smaller your arena is the less golem's head "glide", therefore the more predictable where the attack will come from
I will be honest this is just a nohitters problem
especially with consideration that it is not a high damage attack
toxic basalt
so why is the Elysium Golem Arena so massive then?
small timber
Elysium Golem arena is designed for nohitters to basically cheese the fireballs
the head you just melt it
(as in that is what most people do)
toxic basalt
fantastic
small timber
because in a small arena the main threat is fireball
toxic basalt
I have just wasted all this time redecorating the arena for a joke
small timber
I mean golem's nohit timing is like, 1:05 or something
the other way you can do it is ignore head completely and only try to destroy the body, it is harder but the head is less aggressive until the body is very low hp (if you damage head it become more aggressive based on head hp)
north oracle
You can kinda shred him
toxic basalt
the other way you can do it is ignore head completely and only try to destroy th...
hard to ignore the head when my projectiles keep going for that and not the body
drowsy plank
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i dont think id mind a telegraph for golem's head tho tbh like it aint gonna hurt anything to give him a glowmask for 0.5 second before he shoots the inferno fork projectile
the timing for it is p consistent tho tbh
toxic basalt
the timing for it is p consistent tho tbh
it's hard to pay attention to when the body exists
drowsy plank
ive never had much of an issue with it tbh
ripe owl
it's hard to pay attention to when the body exists
Body is not that much of an issue honestly
You can focus on the head and not struggle at it
tired haven
Yeah
Although I suppose you don't really "focus" on body as a result
The fireballs come from it but have low velocity and you can't really impact where they would be going
So dodging them is a secondary reactive action on top of tracking where head is
cloud smelt
What are thoughts on making the abyss go all the way down to the very bottom of the world and cutting the underworld a little short? I think it would feel cooler and more "realistic" maybe since the abyss is supposed to be this scary bottomless hostile chasm. It feels a little cheap imo when you just go under the deepest part of the abyss at pretty much any point in the game.
ripe owl
Nope
Azafure is supposed to be under the Abyss due to some lore reasons, so we can't just suddenly make the Abyss go straight to the bottom of the world
glass arch
wouldnt cut the underworld, itd cut crags in half
dense ferry
Uhum
cloud smelt
What are the lore reasons? I haven't seen that before
dense ferry
Tl;dr
cloud smelt
That doesn't really explain anything
glass arch
azafure used life essence from the abyss to actually exist and also polluted the sulphur sea
ripe owl
Becca's writing it
ripe owl
azafure used life essence from the abyss to actually exist and also polluted the...
Yeah that works too
dense ferry
Azafure being a metropolis caused a lot of pollution, this caused the Sulphurous Seas above to become Sulphurous
And not only that but Silva's Essence dripped from the Abyss to Azafure and allowed it to prosper despite the Underworld being not very friendly
cloud smelt
Ah ok I didn't realize it was that close. I know it's close in game but I thought lore wise the abyss and sulfurous sea were kind of far from everything except the dungeon
ripe owl
:wires:
golden sonnet
Dryad juice
ripe owl
The uh
cobalt pewter
Dryad juice
ripe owl
The Sulphurous Sea is literally the surface of the Abyss
If you can call it like that
Oh, you meant them both being far away from everything 
cloud smelt
Yeah. Does the abyss/sulfurous sea always spawn on the left side exclusively now? I know it's always on the same side as the dungeon but I thought it used to be able to generate on either side as long as the dungeon was there
ripe owl
You should definitely read those Draedon logs from time to time. Underworld logs actually tell about the Azafure and its relation to the Abyss
ripe owl
Yeah. Does the abyss/sulfurous sea always spawn on the left side exclusively now...
It spawns on the same side the Dungeon spawns at
It's not restricted to right or left
I don't know how it's in Infernum though
golden sonnet
Ignoring lore I think it would be a good idea, but you would also need to address a way to get water to not evaporate in hell, but only in a specific area
cloud smelt
But the crags always generate on the left side correct?
glass arch
always under the abyss
tired haven
They used to always generate on the left but now they should be under the abyss
golden sonnet
In calamity and vanilla nothing is ever side locked, it's always relative to the rest of the world
cloud smelt
Ah I thought it was always on the left. Okay that change makes sense now
cloud smelt
In calamity and vanilla nothing is ever side locked, it's always relative to the...
I was thinking of how it used to be. Crags used to always be left side no matter what I think
But that's obviously not the case anymore
cloud smelt
I should read draedons logs more. The last couple updates were probably pretty big for them lol. I read the crags lore item and I didn't see anything abyss related so I didn't put things together
ripe owl
And, again, read some lore entries whenever you can, mainly Draedon logs. They contain some very important info from the new lore
Or you could visit #lore-discussion's pins and read the lore document in there
Whichever you prefer
cloud smelt
Yeah I always read the lore items but I'll try to read the logs more too. I like to discover things in game if I can
So far the new lore has been chef's kiss
cloud smelt
Ignoring lore I think it would be a good idea, but you would also need to addres...
I think lore wise it could still work having the city next to the abyss instead of under it. You would just need to have a wall of ash that transitions to voidstone. Mechanically it probably wouldn't be a good idea though since it would cut off the city like people have said
cloud smelt
It doesn't. It was just an idea for a suggestion. If you don't want suggestions I understand
drowsy plank
i mean this is suggestion discussions yes i just
they need to have reasoning??
i think it makes more sense for azafure to be under the abyss because sure the abyss is supposed to basically be an oversized geothermal vent, but azafure is supposed to be in the place all the lava is anyway so
i just do not understand what the point of moving the abyss or azafure would be
ripe owl
Just for funny
small timber
tldr is: they have a different plan on how they intend the abyss - brimstone crag to be
it is not a "your idea is bad" or "suggestion is not welcome", it is just they already have a (different) plan on how things will work out and are working towards it
frosty trellis
I will be honest this is just a nohitters problem
I disagree entirely as golem has always been an un-telegraphed shit show in the pre-generated area
The lasers and stuff overlap so much with the fireballs and especially their explosions, while also having to dodge the jumps, everything overlaps and there is no warning on basically anything, especially in the pre-generated space it's small enough that the fireball explosions just cause a lot of unavoidable damage
I literally use a hook for the fireballs bc the overlap is that bad
And I haven't even tried to nohit golem
This has just been my experience since I started playing cal
dense ferry
I've never had any trouble with Golem, but I do think it needs a few telegraphs
frosty trellis
The lasers are somewhat annoying and a telegraph from the head would definitely help
But the fireballs need to die so bad and are the much more glaring issue imo
dense ferry
Fireballs are fine
They come out when Golem hits the ground
What annoys me is that they linger on for WAY TOO LONG
frosty trellis
I've never had any trouble with Golem, but I do think it needs a few telegraphs
I usually defeat golem on my first try in any given pt
I just hate the overlap that causes a lot of unavoidable damage
frosty trellis
What annoys me is that they linger on for WAY TOO LONG
EXACTLY
The overlap
And then the explosions lingers for like 10 seconds
drowsy plank
calamity sure does love its overlapping attacks
frosty trellis
It just causes bullshit
dense ferry
Never really had any "unavoidable" situation
The lasers the head shoot need some telegraph but that's about it
frosty trellis
calamity sure does love its overlapping attacks
It's really only a problem with Golem and Leviana as of this patch
There isn't another boss that I can think of that overlaps with itself a lot
frosty trellis
Never really had any "unavoidable" situation
Having several lingering fireball explosions when I'm trying to dodge the lasers and the body jumping on me has proved to be awkward enough that I just hoik abuse the fireballs bc I am so done with them
drowsy plank
fair
frosty trellis
empress does it more than id personally like
That
I don't get
Rev empress is kinda easy imo
I don't get any overlap whatsoever
drowsy plank
oh well i play in death lol
and she has overlap in all modes, it just gets worse with difficulty
well
rev+ at least
frosty trellis
I'll have to fight death empress then at some point but when testing stuff out on rev empress I never had any problems with her attack patterns, even randomized
drowsy plank
i never had a problem with them, i still first tried her, it was just annoying
frosty trellis
Ic
Again, I'll have to fight death empress later, but it's not something that I've ever seen
small timber
death eol just cast attack faster, no other notable change
frosty trellis
(Bc admittedly empress is the only d.mode fight I haven't done bc I accidentally forgor she existed on my m-d run)
drowsy plank
oh she definitely overlaps her attacks i spent so long testing her AI to document it for the wiki lol
lmao
frosty trellis
Fair
small timber
tldr for golem is the fight depend on how large your arena is, and how well you utilize vertical space
if you arena is small then no question the fight is just fireballs overlap heaven
if the arena is large enough what you tend to do is line up horizontally to golem so the fireball bounce horizontally while half circling over golem's head left and right
frosty trellis
Yeaaaaaah and the pre-generated space makes them overlap Fairly Easily
cobalt pewter
let's just say the intended temple altar room
frosty trellis
^
cobalt pewter
on tier that's your only option really
small timber
the intended temple altar room is definitely large enough
cobalt pewter
if you're not a nohitter
frosty trellis
Since modifying it I don't even think is possible with 1.4.4 since wires can't be seen in the temple anymore and I dunno how that affects actuating shit
small timber
but tbf I don't know what is the "intended" size, even when no bug sometimes I still saw it generate like at 2/3 the height only
horizontal space tend to be pretty consistent
frosty trellis
Yeah
I dunno on the vertical space but no matter what pt I've done I've always had a lot of overlap
small timber
to not make it overlap you have to do all of the above basically:
- line up golem horizontally so that it shoots fireball horizontally, while you play with the vertical space upwards
- golem jump is 1 low then 1 high, you try to get closer to golem during the high jump so that it dont jump over your head because its jump is lower in height if you are closer to it
- head is always move to the opposite direction of where the head is moving, this tend to be counter clockwise (but if you want to mindlessly do it asgard's valor almost is mandatory because you will not dodge golem's jump effectively)
- the lingering flares is basically a minefield that force you to fight elsewhere in the arena but as long as you are not like master ftw or something (or golem stay low hp for extensive period of time) it shouldn't really have to deal with more than 2 lingering flares at once, I just treat them like plantera/AS poison cloud
but yeah tldr is it do is a lot of trial and error to just get things right which is like not great
it is not exactly "don't have any solution", just purely trial and error
frosty trellis
Yeah
Especially since it's a non-obvious way to know how to prevent crap from happening
(Never said there wasn't a solution, I use Hoiks for a reason bc that's the solution I found to cause the least amount of headache).
small timber
I actually think the main culprit is golem's high jump not the head, but I think most people will disagree
small timber
the fact that golem can immediately jump on top of you and are constantly forcing a (contact damage) hit box is the main thing that forced you to be unable to dodge anything else
frosty trellis
Exactly
cobalt pewter
just make Golem body stationary and connect the body to the head through flame lashes
turkor
frosty trellis
I still think the lingering fireball explosions show how bad it really is
But the high jump is bad
small timber
for the head with how large the arena is can always just make it stay slightly further away
telegraph is like fine but I dont think with the nature of the golem fight people will be able to pay attention to the head telegraph anyway so it is better to just straight up make it more intuitive and easier to dodge
frosty trellis
Problem then is that if you make it father away it's way more likely to get in blocks.
Which can cause issues
small timber
telegraph it by giving more reaction time instead of telegraphing when the attack will come
royal tapir
I've always preferred the old Golem head that circled around you with much tighter control
I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to be locked on, but I feel having it be tighter would help
small timber
yeah, the main thing about old head is just it is very hard to hit with many weapon, but generally it is surprisingly a lot more fair
(until it fire instantly after changing a position but that is a different topic)
royal tapir
It orbits on a timer so /shrug
small timber
I forgot if they can fire during the path of moving but I am not super sure about it, I just remember they can fire extremely close to you sometimes
ok yeah it definitely can fire in the middle of movement, which is why I remembered that
wide river
Ok, a couple of notes about the suggestion.
- Try not to give a function or name to weapons you want introduced.
- Not every tier has to have a weapon for all subclasses.
- The reasoning behind this feels like a yoyo-only playthrough
hasty rune
lol thats why I thought of it in the first place.
sry i only wanted to share my thoughts, i realized after it is a bit too much SIS
wide river
You may be able to suggest that a yoyo gets added on that tier, or one of the existing ones gets moved, but the current layout of the suggestion unfortunately breaks a couple of the suggestions rules
undone cedar
This is definitely too much of a SIS
hasty rune
aww man, can I change it?
hasty rune
having 3 post provi yoyos for no fucking reason
truuuuu
wide river
You can edit your suggestion, yea
undone cedar
You can instead suggest adding a new yoyo to fill the gap
swift wharf
Horrible
undone cedar
But you have to justify why a yoyo specifically
swift wharf
why does post provi need 3 yoyos
undone cedar
Because theres no obligation to add weapons for every subclass for every tier
hasty rune
well I would love to suggest moving the lacerator up a tier, but thats never gonna happen cuz of the memes
wide river
why does post provi need 3 yoyos
The consequences of Providence having two material sets locked behind her death as well as her own drop pool
undone cedar
Either ig
random pasture
Hey not every yoyo sucks
wide river
Editing it is fine, you don't need to delete it
swift wharf
it would be so awesome if they moved lacerator to post polter
wide river
it would be so awesome if they moved lacerator to post polter
What if Bloodstone was a sort of "split" set, where part of the gear is acquired slightly early, and the full set is obtained later
Sorta like Crimtane and Demonite
swift wharf
true
wide river
The current situation of Bloodstone equipment is like this.
All but one of the weapons (Scarlet Devil) is obtained right after Bloodstone Cores are available. The other two things you have to wait for are Bloodflare armor (Post-Polterghast) and the Brimstone Locus (Why would you need another one of these)
Literally everything else is available right as you get it
The rest being three melee weapons, three ranged weapons, two magic weapons, a summon weapon, and a set of ammo
hasty rune
ok im just throwing the lacerator part in for the heck of it
toxic basalt
you just said melee weapons twice
hasty rune
huh? they said 3 melee weapons
wide river
I had accidentally typed "Three melee weapons, three ranged weapons, two melee weapons"
For the second iteration of "melee" I had meant to put magic
hasty rune
oh lol it got corrected, got em
but yea i never understood why blood core weapons were available right after Providence
since ruinous souls are only used for the sirius/starlight series of weapons iirc
wide river
Ruinous Souls are used for the sorta spacey feeling set along with Bloodflare armor and Omega Blue armor, yea
hasty rune
yea i think the deep space theme is super cool, but i havent used them very much in playthroughs aside from halley's inferno
wide river
Makes me wonder if there's a point where Bloodstone would fit better. Maybe if Ravager gets moved to post-Providence he could be the set unlock instead of Providence
hasty rune
OH YEAH
i forgot that was a thing they were talking about doing
well that would kinda solve the problem, but the lacerator would have to be made viable on DoG 
blazing kettle
why do both post provi sets have yoyos
hasty rune
thats the million dollar question
hasty rune
oh?
blazing kettle
when was its tier shifted
hasty rune
:oldge:
blazing kettle
rumst and dumpst
swift wharf
maybe 1.5?
hasty rune
a long time ago, prob before then tbh
blazing kettle
not 1.5 for sure
hasty rune
cuz i remember uelibloom being post provi for a long time
blazing kettle
what was its tier beforehand?
hasty rune
oh wait, what happened to that weird dragon boss?
blazing kettle
dragonfolly?
golden sonnet
I remember it being on worldgen
hasty rune
oh nvm, i thought it was a post bumblebirb thing but post ml makes more sense
blazing kettle
plague ore❗
golden sonnet
According to wiki it used to spawn after PBG, that was before my time even
hasty rune
i remember cuz defeating moonlord used to clog the chat with messages more than now lol
golden sonnet
I played when it was on world gen tho
blazing kettle
how old are we talking though
hasty rune
ancient
wide river
I think almost every Calamity ore was once created on world gen
blazing kettle
like which DoG/PBG sprite was this on
hasty rune
the message was different too, it was something something about the jungle surface being charred and the charred wood was uelibloom
golden sonnet
like which DoG/PBG sprite was this on
It was changed from being spawned by PBG in this update
which makes sense, because I started calamity like mid 2017
hasty rune
its so nice that cal wiki has the change logs since forever
blazing kettle
which pbg was this update on though
wide river
I've seen the third one, I never knew about the first and second ones
hasty rune
the third one is the plaguebringer enemy sprite currently, huh
swift wharf
(not 100% sure, the sprite appeared in the video before being implemented)
blazing kettle
the third one is the plaguebringer enemy sprite currently, huh
not exactly but yeah
hasty rune
ahhhh yes thats the one
swift wharf
recolor
hasty rune
anyways, I just hope to improve future yoyo only playthroughs :D
hollow ridge
just remove yoyos
no
Yoyos should stay
Tbh
It shouldn't really come down to completely removing em
Cus yoyos are cool and can do some cool things
And some crazy damage (sulp grabber)
wide river
Yoyos are one of the more creative "melee" weapons I've seen
Just a shame that broadswords are the most developed subclass of melee
drowsy plank
we will never ever ever ever get a post-Polter yoyo
it's practically a meme at this point
sugg is still invalid on the basis of being subclass only shit and nothing else
swift wharf
rare suggestion rules L
drowsy plank
i get why
swift wharf
we live in a society where you can't get a post polterghast yoyo but the "law" protects 3 post providence ones......
wait i am the law
drowsy plank
we'd get people asking for weapons for first letter of the weapon runs, and mage and ranger subclasses and like
a bajillion other classes that just Do Not Actually Exist Nor Deserve The Time Of Day
drowsy plank
darts deserve another weapon they have like 6 ammo types and one weapon
but that's neither here nor there
wide river
But actually we need more dart stuff
drowsy plank
fucking flares got a weapon before darts got a good one
and you dont even use the flares spectralstorm is pratically just an ammoless homing weapon
swift wharf
trolled by subclass bias
fervent orbit
how tf did flares get more repesentation in calamity than dart guns
wide river
Darts being one of the most developed subclasses in pre-hardmode and early hardmode to just be abandonded
drowsy plank
eh idk about preHM
but it's weird they get so many unique ammos and then are never touched again
fervent orbit
the reed BLOWGUN isnt even a dart weapon
swift wharf
darts do actually have the most unique ammo type by ratio in the game
fervent orbit
i stg calamity avoids dart like the plague
wide river
darts do actually have the most unique ammo type by ratio in the game
4 darts and 4 weapons
Funny
swift wharf
i mean as
drowsy plank
truly incredible stuff
swift wharf
unique to boring ammo
wide river
i stg calamity avoids dart like the plague
Cal used to have a dart weapon
Then it got deleted
undone cedar
I think adding more dart weapons on the basis of the ammo making them genuinely distinct would make sense
drowsy plank
well ichor has splitting, crystal has piercing, homing and ricochets, and cursed has the funny dripping effect
so 75% of their ammo has unique effects
fervent orbit
would a dart sugg even be possible
drowsy plank
because there are 4 
swift wharf
like arrows have
luminite arrows, chloro arrows, holy arrows
but also fire arrow, fire arrow(blue), fire arrow(green), fire arrow(purple)
when darts have
posion dart, bouncy dart, split dart and rain dart
wide river
would a dart sugg even be possible
Doze made one in February, so yes
fervent orbit
oh yea true
drowsy plank
sure, find a point in the game that lacks ranger weapons post-WoF, and then argue dart guns could fill that niche
shrimple
wide river
Time to give the wiki a skim-through
drowsy plank
just go to ranged weapons and sort by rarity frfr
wide river
I can say in confidence that post-DoG is not that section
drowsy plank
post-DoG is ballsass what else is new
swift wharf
auric arrow hahahahahah
drowsy plank
💥
you know it would be really easy to spice up and also improve early game dart guns if they could just shoot planter box seeds too, and they gave different effects
but that's subclass shit so what can you do
swift wharf
underdeveloped weapon purgatory
wide river
God why is the vanilla wiki so bad when I just want to search for a specific tier of weapons
fervent orbit
theyre terrible at categorising stuff or smthn idk
wide river
Looks like Cyan rarity tier is the one with the least weapons past WoF
Five Calamity weapons, and two vanilla weapons
fervent orbit
cyan rarity is also weird af isnt it
drowsy plank
carry over
wide river
It uses Vortex Fragments
Meanwhile every vanilla weapon crafted with Fragments being Red rarity
halcyon zealot
impostor
wide river
Here's a funny
Of the four weapons with Cyan rarity in vanilla, three of them are dev items and the fourth is removed
drowsy plank
fervent orbit
so cyan is just dev weapon in vanilla
wide river
so cyan is just dev weapon in vanilla
Looks it
wide river
Uhh sure
drowsy plank
this is literally where CDB used to be
wide river
Oh
Huh
Well then
fervent orbit
"because actually unique ranger subclass isnt allowed in modded!!1 everyone is going to use flamethrowers instead!"
wide river
So it's just going to be another "Aeries into Pearl God" situation, I guess
Remove a weapon and then make another weapon to fill its place
drowsy plank
tbf Pearl God was just the RIV of Aeries, similarly to Anti-mat and Skullmasher
wide river
I'm going to assume you meant Aeries for one of those
drowsy plank
i did
whoops
there are plenty of RIVs that replaced their original counterparts
i think this would be the first time we'd reimplement a weapon to fill the niche of a removed weapon but
frankly i think it is worth a shot
wide river
Right, let me give it a shot at suggestions
wide river
Yea, that'd also probably make my point invalid as well
So what would I do, exactly?
Request a dart weapon post-Deus, or just request more dart weapons in general?
glass arch
id go with more in general
that gives enough room for the devs to potentially add more than just 1
plus it gives em more room for creativity with the designs
wide river
Aight, time to write this thing
drowsy plank
i would just mention tiers lacking ranged weapons like post-Deus
glass arch
yeah
golden tulip
since when
glass arch
i think next update they have a built in lock on how many can spawn from killing hornet queens
golden sonnet
they dupe like crazy
golden tulip
whatt
golden sonnet
like star cells on steroids
wide river
they can grow up
I didn't realize what you were talking about for a second, so I was incredibly confused by that
golden tulip
since when do bees grow up
glass arch
no no vortex pillar enemies
every pillar enemy has a cap of how many can spawn except for the alien larvae that spawn when you kill an alien queen
so thus when they grow up those enemies also arent capped
1.4.4 fixes that i believe
bright crag
We'll keep dart weapons in mind when designing/reworking weapons
One could've been added to Aerialite if Blowgun wasn't so close to it
And if we hadn't considered a better idea
glass arch
dart weapons are so cool
shame i never use them because i hate ranger
bright crag
Rocket launchers, and more importantly, harpoons and dart weapons are pretty few and underrated
drowsy plank
tbf darts in preHM aren't really the issue
it's the fact that HM's really cool ammo types just go completely unused practically
bright crag
Yeah
bright crag
It's a general issue with the subclass, not secluded to a given progression point
There isn't I think
Spirit does have a pre-HM rocket launcher
wide river
pre hardmode rocket launcher when
At least a pre-Mech launcher
Why can we craft rockets pre-Mech when we can't use them yet
glass arch
yeah just checked there isnt one
wide river
Wait, no. Rockets are post-Mech 1
Still, the earliest rocket launcher is post-Mech 2
drowsy plank
funny retiering
mineral mortar used to be pre-Mechs
what are people's thoughts on skele prime
wide river
They're a boss that exists
I've never had immense difficulty with them, but the Revengeance changes just being "Haha you cannot avoid the laser projectiles" seems a bit weird
drowsy plank
lmao
honestly i thought the nerfs he got were undeserved, ive never really had an issue with his lazers
drowsy plank
They're a boss that exists
I've never had immense difficulty with them, but the ...
wdym by "cannot avoid the lasers" btw im not really sure what u meant
wide river
When you destroy the laser hand, he just starts firing the lasers from his head
drowsy plank
oh yeah
that was a bit weird
i get why tho because like
at least during the spinning phase he has all those laser blasters stick out
kindred skiff
When you destroy the laser hand, he just starts firing the lasers from his head
Running away allows you to dodge the lasers with ease
wide river
The issue was never dodging the lasers
kindred skiff
Why’d you say it’s unavoidable then
wide river
Is it really that unclear
glass arch
dodging the lasers is p easy ye
the issue is that when you destroy the thing making the lasers the lasers get transferred to the main boss
wide river
^
glass arch
thus removing any incentive to actually destroy the arm aside from getting rid of the dr that i dont remember if it has or not
kindred skiff
Doesn’t it do that for the cannon too?
glass arch
yes
which is kinda an issue because it removes all incentive to actually destroy the arms
wide river
The arms are instantly destroyed when Skeletron hits 66% HP, if the wiki is correct
Which yea, makes destroying the arms nearly useless
glass arch
even if that didnt happen there still wouldnt be any considering the attacks from said arms just get transferred to the head
drowsy plank
it is very weird
north oracle
cool, so that was very inappropriate and in spanish
drowsy plank
@young arrow uh. not sure wtf that was, but googling it seems like it was not appropriate, and also, this is an english server, so please speak it so we may actually moderate it. thank you
errant bobcat
Wait what happened
wide river
Wait what happened
Obviously something bad
frosty trellis
Probably based on what cog was saying, someone posted someone in posting that was in another language, cog translated it and it wasn't appropriate and then took action
errant bobcat
What I got from it was somebody probably making an enraged balancing sugg or something in Spanish
drowsy plank
let's just move on and talk about actual suggestions or something 👍
drowsy plank
i was hoping to get a more definite opinion about the skele prime thing but
idk
i honestly think he is easier than skeletron and that is lame
i dont know why cal nerfed him so hard
(both are still quite easy but that isn't the point)
golden sonnet
I'll repost one of mine that was so close to making it but didnt get enough votes
i rewrote it to hopefully be more convincing
wide river
All of my suggestions physically cannot be reposted
Either they failed horribly in voting, somehow made it to voting, or are already planned in some capacity
golden sonnet
Im happy jungle material death went through, but no update on implementation so scared it will be stuck in development hell or not actually implemented
wide river
Im happy jungle material death went through, but no update on implementation so ...
We live in hope 🙏
ripe owl
So true Raesh, so based
ornate kestrel
It NEEDS to pass dev voting
north oracle
yes please merge crim/corro it's so dumb that they're seperate
lucid flare
ah yes my favorite items
slime staff 2 (purple) and slime staff 2 (red)
...why exactly were they made as two different items?
wide river
yes please merge crim/corro it's so dumb that they're seperate
No we need two identical weapons to clog up the loot pool, there has to be a corruption and crimson equivalent for everything
Someone, probably
golden sonnet
me omw to make suggestions to kill every crimson variant
lucid flare
probably that person who made the [Add new Soul item for Crimson Biome] or whatever suggestion
ripe owl
me omw to make suggestions to kill every crimson variant
We should kill Crimson in general
No more 
wide river
Remove the 1.2 update
lucid flare
no more crimson..... no more vampire knives... no more flesh knuckle; no more....perforator
wide river
It brought Golem upon the land of Terraria
wide river
no more crimson..... no more vampire knives... no more flesh knuckle; no more......
We can shove that stuff into a minibiome called "The Maroon"
Totally not just a synonym for Crimson nope nope
lucid flare
put that in the glorruption easy
golden sonnet
just like, make bars of night or "Evil bars" and just have shared drops between evil biomes
drowsy plank
Egads! My biome is ruined! ...but... what if I were to copy Crimson items and disguise them as my own content? Delightfully devilish, Hive Mind!
wide river
~~Egads! My biome is ruined! ...but... what if I were to copy Crimson items and ...
Excellent meme
night jolt
Any input on this? Seems pretty cut and dry to me
ripe owl
How much does the Ectoplasm cost?
night jolt
25
wide river
Any input on this? Seems pretty cut and dry to me
That draft gives almost no reasoning as to why it should happen
Try to find some points that benefit the suggestion, then you should be able to post it
wide river
That's better than just stating "Why is this like this" and not elaborating, at least
glass arch
yeah 100 even if you get lucky and only get 3 phanto from the second highest phantom spirit (the angry one) and only spawn/kill that phantom spirit thats still enough to spawn polter
glass arch
ok so assuming only the Angry varient of Phantom Spirits spawn
ripe owl
Uh-huh
glass arch
and assuming you get the maximum amount of phantoplasm for it to drop (3 phantoplasm) every kill
ripe owl
Uh-huh
distant gyro
no input required
night jolt
This better?
grave zincBOT
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ripe owl
night jolt
oh, speaking of which lmao
distant gyro
i will just do it
glass arch
This better?
(for that last sentence its technically possible it just requires an ungodly amount of luck)
ripe owl
This better?
Definitely better
glass arch
but ye altix is doing it so no need to continue
wide river
World record pace
night jolt
Suggestion any% speedrun, you can't beat me
ripe owl
So true
night jolt
11 minutes from proposal to commitment on implementation, that's gotta be the all time record
ripe owl
night jolt
OK, about that newest suggestion in voting, so?
ripe owl
What about it?
night jolt
Almost every boss in Calamity provides an extremely debilitating debuff that you can't get immune to before fighting it
ripe owl
Dazed, you can't get immune to it at all
glass arch
yeah dazed has absolutely no way to get immunity without external mods
ripe owl
Because the debuff isn't anyewhere in Vanilla
night jolt
Shouldn't the solution be to make a new item to become immune to daze instead of removing the debuff at all?
wide river
Shouldn't the solution be to make a new item to become immune to daze instead of...
What is the point of having the Dazed debuff if you can just become immune to it?
glass arch
there was a proposal to make dazed be death only but i missed that before i could edit it in
night jolt
I meant post Leviathan
ripe owl
There's still an argument about item bloating
night jolt
Like, you beat the boss, therefore you get an item that makes said boss easier
ornate kestrel
There's still an argument about item bloating
^
wide river
there was a proposal to make dazed be death only but i missed that before i coul...
Eh, oh well. If it fails, I'll suggest the Death Mode thing
ripe owl
Like, you beat the boss, therefore you get an item that makes said boss easier
That's not eternity mode
small timber
yeah that is not something that happens often
night jolt
I guess, but you could also just attach it to Pearl of Enthralling
glass arch
issue with dazed is
its one of about 2 freeze debuffs inflicted by bosses
and you cant gain immunity to it period
ripe owl
Why make an item that gives immunity to a useless debuff when you can just
ornate kestrel
That thing I always forget about even when I get it
ripe owl
Remove that useless debuff
ornate kestrel
^
glass arch
the easiest solution is to just remove the debuff from the attack
ornate kestrel
Also
small timber
or just tell the player to deal with it
glass arch
instead of all this roundabout fixing you can go straight into the root of the problem and fix it directly
drowsy plank
add dazed immunity item to ankh shield upgrade after we remove it from aegis line
small timber
it is not a particularly difficult attack to dodge, just slap in onto death mode only if the player think it is too hard
ornate kestrel
I don't remember the last time I've actually gotten the dazed effect
ripe owl
I don't remember the last time I've actually gotten the dazed effect
Fargo's Eternity Mode
Possibly
It's almost everywhere in there
north oracle
Yeah, everything inflicts it
ripe owl
Well not everything everything
wide river
I think fall damage inflicts Dazed in Eternity Mode
dense ferry
Honestly quite incredible
ornate kestrel
Lmao
wide river
Ah yes
I love things that are introduced and made unobtainable
ripe owl
Who doesn't
dense locust
Ah yes
I love things that are introduced and made unobtainable
old sdmg moment
night jolt
Ah yes
I love things that are introduced and made unobtainable
Soul Eater reference be like
wide river
I wonder how much file size the unobtainable stuff takes up
Probably not much
wide river
I was wondering about Vanilla stuff more
Because, uhh
glass arch
vanillas got a bit more but not much
ripe owl
I was wondering about Vanilla stuff more
Because, uhh
I remember the present variations
glass arch
all of the blocks are actually used for things
out of everything id say first fractal probably takes up most space
dense locust
I was wondering about Vanilla stuff more
Because, uhh
lesser restoration potion used to be obtainable before restoration pots got changed
drowsy plank
calamity should make the terratomere into the first fractal
dense locust
calamity should make the terratomere into the first fractal <:clueless:106429850...
isn't ff like
ripe owl
clueless
dense locust
garbage
glass arch
ff is unfinished
glass arch
plus the stats are identical to zenith aside from ff having 5 more usetime
golden sonnet
first fractal kinda just elemental shiv but with people
wide river
When was that said again?
ripe owl
Some time ago by Ozzatron
He deleted it afterwards so Rover resurrected it
That was certainly the quote of all time
ornate kestrel
Beautiful
night jolt
thoughts?
crude geode
Just post it
drowsy plank
^
bronze badger
I think you guys should put a Patreon member role, actually you've a lot and a lot of people on the discord, it'd certenly boost a bit the patreon members
you deserve more people supporting the mod
drowsy plank
We announce all the Patreons once a month in #mod-announcements