suggestions-discussion

[random talon]

some guy posted a crypto scam

[golden tulip]

mod in chat
does nothing

[dense ferry]

I timed them out three fucking times 😭

Probably a Mobile Moment

[random talon]

man was not letting up

he needed to sell that shitcoin

[livid coral]

I banned em 🙂

[random talon]

nice

[unreal saffron]

@half imp that sugg is the best thing i have seen in my life

Well done

[whole tundra]

What the fuck happened to the reactions in #suggestions-voting ???

[unreal saffron]

Wdym?

[whole tundra]

The 4 newest got all of them reset

Its not even the bot who reacted to them

[unreal saffron]

Oh shit u right

[dense ferry]

DISCORD!!!!!!

[lucid flare]

it's doing it again

[unreal saffron]

Again?!?

[quiet kernel]

Discord try not become worse every update challenge

[lucid flare]

yea it happened to asuggestion of mine a few days back...

it had 90 stars and reset to 7

but then it came back

[toxic basalt]

Am I able to redo a post similar to one I did before but with additional stuff on it? Since the old post will likely not get passed at this point

I had the idea to redo the Destroyer Telegraph post and have it simply be "Rework Destroyer" with a list of suggestions

[drowsy plank]

i wish this could just go in #1042197406776827914 but yeah i think that's fine, probably? it'll be a while until it gets into #suggestions-voting anyway

[toxic basalt]

I'll make a draft and post it in #1042197406776827914

[drowsy plank]

i think Ozz said balance is mostly for just weapons, but it can't hurt

[glass arch]

fab doesnt check balance suggs so iirc ozz said its highly unlikely itd go to the devs

[half imp]

yeah

[toxic basalt]

Rework/Rebalance Destroyer

At this point it has been debated and accepted that Destroyer is still an absolutely garbage fight to do. Laser spam that, due to the velocity change, now causes them to be unreliable to dodge and still has the issue of randomly flying about from off-screen with no telegraph. Probes that can spawn in mass hordes and also spam lasers, also with no telegraph. Another thing is its flying AI often causes him to fly ahead and cut you off which is really problematic if he isn't the last mech as at point you'll have to either RoD or somehow run away in the other direction.

So here are a list of things I think can finally make Destroyer an actually enjoyable fight:

- Remove the lower velocity/gradual acceleration nerf.
- Lower fire rate increase on Deathmode.
- Limit the amount of probes that can be present to around 8-10.
- Give the probes a form of "blink" telegraph to show when they will fire.
- Tweak his flying AI so he flies at you instead of ahead of you when in his flying phase.```

(This is a more revised version of an older post, since at this point that ain't gonna pass)

@drowsy plank how does this sound?

[drowsy plank]

I would say "Here are some possible changes that could be made to make the fight more enjoyable;" instead of what you have now before the table since it comes off as more suggestive instead of saying it like a definite plan

@frigid ermine well... that isn't entirely true. demon scythe is a 2% drop.

[swift wharf]

@frigid ermine the drop is 14.29% in expert and above

OOPS

[drowsy plank]

nah we said different points

both are valid

[swift wharf]

bladecrest also has a lower drop

[drowsy plank]

yeah but bladecrest is guarnteed in brim crag

[golden tulip]

i always get a shitton of those when im in hell not even looking for them

[frigid ermine]

also bone worms are significantly more rare than other enemies

[swift wharf]

oh i didn't know about that

[drowsy plank]

alright yeah that looks better

[frigid ermine]

okay adjusted my post to reflect my reasoning

[swift wharf]

the first part is still wrong, or discord is trolling

[frigid ermine]

its 8% base drop chance

[frigid ermine]

oh.

8.33

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah you should mention it gets boost to 15% in expert+ since rev is the default

and rev is higher than expert

[swift wharf]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

still, not great considering how unique and important the weapon is

[swift wharf]

blood moon

[drowsy plank]

and im pretty sure bone serpents become even less common in hardmode

which means you could miss out on the whole line without some kinda tedious grinding

so having some other method of obtaining one would be nice

[swift wharf]

ya

[drowsy plank]

making the bone serpent method more of a backup if you lose it

[frigid ermine]

yeah, thats why i put the craftable option in there

but offered alternatives if that method wasnt wanted

[golden sonnet]

Tbh, just wait for 1.4.4 and make it shimmerable with the other sword

[toxic basalt]

oh right I forgot to add one more thing

[drowsy plank]

crafting sucke but i get why since that's how cal handles most of em lol, and yeah im hoping it's something more like roxcalibur

real

tbf bladecrest is still kinda rare tho

[toxic basalt]

increase the KB resistance of the probes

that should make them easier to consistently hit

[golden sonnet]

It's garentee in chest and demons are very common

[drowsy plank]

yknow i never got why rox never got a unique structure instead of just spawning Somewhere in the world

[frigid ermine]

i was thinking itd be ideally made at a hell forge so you can grind it early, or make it a bit later

[drowsy plank]

yeah i getchu

[dense ferry]

My ass I have 5 Bladecrests

[drowsy plank]

6% drops but demon spam really do be Just That Bad

[frigid ermine]

also uh.. not really no. not comparatively

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[dense ferry]

Anyways Old Lord Oathsword could be obtained in the Crags

In some way, kinda like Roxcalibur

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[swift wharf]

I think having the two swords for free would be kinda ech

[drowsy plank]

speaking of rox's current random gen kinda sucks >=0

[swift wharf]

shimmer is funnier

[drowsy plank]

i kinda wanna ask for it to get a structure tbh

[swift wharf]

at @ rox donator

[frigid ermine]

thats why i suggested either crafting or higher drop rate or something

[swift wharf]

nah the sugg is fine dw

[frosty trellis]

No not really
Bc of the stupid amounts of demon spawns you get far more bladecrests and demon scythes then OLC, bc bone serpents are a more-rare-enemy on its own with a low drop rate of the item

[swift wharf]

me maliciously posting the shimmer idea as soon as the port drops

[golden sonnet]

Based

[drowsy plank]

something to add to The List

[frosty trellis]

I've gotten so many accidental bladecrests but maybe 2-3 accidentally OLC

[bright crag]

I do feel like 15% is alright for such a solid weapon

[frigid ermine]

i have used 2 calcium potions and gotten 4 bone worms

thats

not very good

[dense ferry]

Why Calcium potions?

[swift wharf]

wait calciu

[bright crag]

Maybe could be 20%, then
Or we could increase the spawn chances

[swift wharf]

?

huh

!wiki calcium potions

!wiki calcium potion

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ancient_Bone_Dust
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page calcium potions for a direct link or !wiki search calcium potions for a list of all hits.

[swift wharf]

hello

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calcium_Potion

[wide river]

Close enough

[swift wharf]

hold on hold on

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Calcium_Potion

[swift wharf]

huh????

even fandom's potion is doing what it's supposed to

[wide river]

Impossible

[swift wharf]

a most intriguing conundrum

[drowsy plank]

man suggs are fuckin heated rn

all the tops are like 170+ rn

[dense ferry]

Love the cinematic stuff for Bosses

[lucid flare]

yea unfortunately its good suggestion season

[swift wharf]

clarity after the storm

[drowsy plank]

yo is that a mfing dm dokuro calamity interludes reference

[lucid flare]

it is....

clarity after the calamity
the interlude theme that plays after you beat yarim

[drowsy plank]

honestly it would be a cool name for a song, esp a credits theme

[lucid flare]

yea i had that in mind.... it could play if calamari mod switched the credits roll to post-yharim

or at least a brand new calamity credits

[drowsy plank]

ideas for the future i suppose

[lucid flare]

awesome suggestions that got 130 votes won't be passed to dev because the top 20%'s filled with suggestions that got 170+

[drowsy plank]

got a sugg to make i asked a donor about earlier

think it's a pretty long running one that has gotten rejected a couple times but i think now is a good a time as any to send it in

[hollow ridge]

Why did my brain see remove in the title of damisters sugg

[hybrid steeple]

remove destroyer

[neat linden]

the best way to deal with problems is to remove them

but i do agree that dest needs some changes tbh

[golden sonnet]

Unironically agree for most things

Kill them

[half imp]

killing is lame

make them cool

[whole tundra]

@jagged bloom That sort of ruins the whole purpose of using it to grind

[hollow ridge]

🤨

The thing is supposed to break

Wulfrum is a weak material

That's the point tbh

[jagged bloom]

Like it still breaks, but now it just uses the wulfrum scrap to make one to throw.

a trade off could be that it breaks a bit faster

[hollow ridge]

not sure abt that

Cus like

How would that work

[novel belfry]

i just suddenly realized that excalibur can immediately upgrade to true form, so they both had to be balanced around that

[jagged bloom]

when i first saw the turtles, i thought they were infinite

like you craft an item to use them

[hollow ridge]

Also you can just mine lol

Or use scarab bombs

Wulfrum utilities are kinda outta the way

And really really early game

And flimsy

[jagged bloom]

thats the point this could be an early game alternative to scarab bombs

[hollow ridge]

Why would you need an alternative

[jagged bloom]

at the point youd get it it make sense

[hollow ridge]

You have scarab bombs

I mean I kind of get it

[jagged bloom]

wulfrum scrap is used as ammo for the blunderbuss, armor and scaffolding kit

[hollow ridge]

Early game mining

But there are plenty of methods of making mining faster

And cal decided to make another on top of this

[jagged bloom]

yea i just thought itd be kind of a neat way to handle early game mining

cuz wulfrum is replaced pretty quickly

i use turtles in landscaping

[swift wharf]

it's meant to be replaced

it's meant to be scrapped

[hollow ridge]

^

[swift wharf]

this just sounds like laziness

and there are better options later on

like onyx drill

[hollow ridge]

That isn't even nessarilly later on

[jagged bloom]

Wulfrum has a neat setof mechanics that get left behind rather quickly

[swift wharf]

that is its entire point

it's the first set in the mod

[novel belfry]

but they're COOL

[dense ferry]

The entire theming of Wulfrum is being replaceable by

Everything

[novel belfry]

and they don't really get replaced by cool shit

[bright crag]

(Including itself)

From what I know about the turtles, they're consistently useful

[dense ferry]

They do

Everything

[jagged bloom]

should we move this to #calamity-mod-talk

[bright crag]

Easier to get than Scarab Bombs, more directed than regular Bombs

[jagged bloom]

and easier to use

[bright crag]

Onyx Excavator doesn't work vertically

It's already great

[jagged bloom]

and if said turtle veers to far or you throw one accidently

you just right click

[swift wharf]

you could suggest an upgrade for them

that has nothing to do with wulfrum

[bright crag]

^

[hollow ridge]

HM ore digging turtle

[bright crag]

Or suggest a "cancel" functionality for the existing one

[jagged bloom]

good point

i have an idea for a calamity inspired mod i wanna make

if i really wanna have infinite digging turtles i can just install dupe frame

make like one turtle then use the frame

[swift wharf]

or journey mode

[worldly basalt]

it would be stupid but what if what if hardmode and moon lord made a new set of wulfrum enemies with basically just wulfrum but upgraded

the stuff is cool 👍 and fun to use

[jagged bloom]

that was actually the original idea for the expansion mod i wanted to make

[swift wharf]

no

nuh uh

why add new wulfrum cool stuff

when you can just add cool stuff

[jagged bloom]

no, no, theyve got a point tbh

[worldly basalt]

wulfrum inherently cool, so adding wulfrum to cool stuff makes even cooler stuff

[swift wharf]

sticking to tiers is kinda cringe and less unique

[jagged bloom]

those mechanics arent exclusive to wulfrum

[swift wharf]

EXACTLY

[jagged bloom]

its just the material

[swift wharf]

🔥 ✍️

[worldly basalt]

plastic is cool i want to pollute the environment

[jagged bloom]

it wouldnt make a difference if the wufrum turtle were, say, demonite turtles

[swift wharf]

the more wulfrum stuff you add the more watered down it becomes

[jagged bloom]

same function different theme

[swift wharf]

YES

demonite vermin that eats blocks > reinforced wulfrum turtle

indirect upgrades >>>>>>>>>>>

[jagged bloom]

yea if i ever get to making my mod itll have similar mechanics to wulfrum but it wont just be "wulfrum but i edited the stats and sprites"

i just had an idea actually

dont know if itd work tho

its a thing you place and you right click it with a specific item and you take control of a small drill like the turtles

itll be crafted with like 5 different materials

[swift wharf]

that can definitely be coded into the game but then you fall into specific item suggestion

[jagged bloom]

yeagimme a few hours i might be able to flesh this out

[swift wharf]

i mean if you want this to be a suggestion, it can't be too specific

[jagged bloom]

yea

[swift wharf]

(and doesnt break any of the other suggestion rules for that matter)

[jagged bloom]

ok i just had a better idea for the turtles

instead of being infinite

when a turtle breaks theres a small chance it drops itself

like a throwing weapon but for digging

[swift wharf]

again, kinda specific

you can suggest "add more mining tools like wulfrum turtles" but not "add this mining item that does this and this"

[jagged bloom]

ok

[swift wharf]

how they will work is up to the devs

[jagged bloom]

im gonna spend a few hours brainstorming ideas for a mod i wanna make at some point

ill let you guys know what i come up with if you wanna hear later

[swift wharf]

alright

i am all about cool mining gadgets

[jagged bloom]

k ill cya guys in a few hours

[novel belfry]

I like the wulfrum theme

[drowsy plank]

this one will be funny i think

also i already asked the donor and was reminded of the old roxcalibur discourse

[golden sonnet]

Good suggestion imo

[drowsy plank]

but i think it's worth a shot

yeah

[golden sonnet]

Or you could add it to an existing structure or something

Make it spawn on center planetoids or something

[wide river]

In the lava?
Otherwise it would look weird

[golden sonnet]

On the top of it like the normal sword shrine planetoids was my thought

Or replace the sword shrine planetoids with roxcalibur shrine planetoids as enchanted sword is already craftable and dropped by enemies in cal

[drowsy plank]

yeah that'd be fine too

and you know

has

a shrine

lmao

[golden sonnet]

That too lmao

you should add that it could be added to the planetoids in your suggestion, definitely not because I'm biased

[cursive sun]

is it ok if i post discord suggestion?

[golden sonnet]

Suggestions for changes to the discord should be addressed to the mod mail bot, just send a semi-formal Dm

[glass arch]

sugg posting is only for game suggestions

[cursive sun]

ok

[jagged bloom]

2 and a half pages of ideas for my mod. wow

[golden sonnet]

I've seen a couple of people express confusion over not having life regen while wearing omega blue, should I make a suggestion to move the disabled life regen from the chest piece to the set bonus? or is it not worth the suggestion

[wide river]

Ignoring the life regen disabling, the chestplate by itself gives 12% increased damage, 8% increased crit chance, and Crush Depth on all attacks. Considering how mixed sets are highly discouraged in the late game, I don't think losing a set bonus is worth those stats.

That felt a bit off track halfway through, but go ahead. It's a fine suggestion, in my eyes

[golden sonnet]

i looked at the bonuses first yeah to make sure nothing would be too broken, the boots don't give crush depth, but give more bonuses so I didn't feel particularly worried about armor mixing

[wide river]

Go ahead, then. It's not like it breaks a rule

[ornate kestrel]

I think it'd clear up confusion of people who don't read the chest plates individual stats and just check the set bonus

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I only made the suggestion because I just saw someone ask in #help-advice-read-pins , and have seen it asked before

but I wasn't sure if it was worth suggesting or just the usual terraria players inability to read

[glass arch]

i for one didnt know the regen negation didnt come from the set bonus

makes sense as to why, i never use omega blue

[wide river]

The only thing I'd maybe suggest is mentioning how it's easy to gloss over the individual parts of the bonuses, as the life regen negation is mentioned at the bottom of the chestplate's tooltip at the moment

[ornate kestrel]

It's in a spot most wouldn't check

[golden sonnet]

alright, I kinda did that, hopefully that works

[bright crag]

It'd be cool if Roxcalibur was in a hell version of a sword shrine

[wide river]

Yea, looks good 👍

[wide river]

Underworld Shrine Version 2.0

[glass arch]

hold on i gotta check something relating to an old suggestion

never mind tmod crashed

ok now tmods back up
that suggestion to make the vamp knives line rogue? technically that was a reversion suggestion

[drowsy plank]

yeah we knew that lol

[glass arch]

o

[drowsy plank]

cause they used to be rogue/melee

[glass arch]

never mind anything i just said

[drowsy plank]

lol

[frosty trellis]

Please that would be awesome

[bright crag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Let's see what the other devs think

[toxic basalt]

@glass arch I posted a more revised version of a Destroyer rebalance suggested

because the probes aren't the only problem

[grave zinc]

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[hollow ridge]

i hope this one makes it tbh

(i hope they all make it i just like that one alot

[austere cargo]

Is there a way to see an armor's set bonus without either crafting and equipping the full set or looking it up on the wiki?

[swift wharf]

no iirc

[tired haven]

I think recipe browser had something like that in items tab?
Where you would see the full set icon alongside its pieces. Might need to verify that

[unreal saffron]

Holy shit its crab bar

Hi

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[random talon]

I didn't know CrabBar was a dev!

[tired haven]

Okay yeah, there it is, surprisingly hidden
Need to press "Armor Sets" filter on the "Items" tab

(also it took like 30 seconds to load)

[fossil finch]

Yeah it takes quite a while to do it but it is very useful

[golden sonnet]

Marnite doesn't have leggings wtf

[drowsy plank]

nope lol

it's a robe after all

[ripe owl]

It's uh

A toga

(🤓)

[soft quest]

Unfortunately I don’t think this shows the calamity set bonuses for reworked vanilla sets

[ripe owl]

Nope, it doesn't

[tired haven]

Huh, just checked again, and it doesn't

Wack. Wonder what it calculates if it doesn't even track those

[glass arch]

it might use the wiki as like a database for set bonus stuff

[tired haven]

That sounds like it'd backfire really quickly

Also no way it'd make sense of forbidden circlet that way

[fossil finch]

Yeah it could be something about calamity's implementation of the reworked setbonuses that doesn't work with it or smt

[wide river]

Hmm, that might be a problem
There's two separate suggestions in voting regarding changing Destroyer

[toxic basalt]

Mine was essentially combining other suggestions and my old one as chances are, they aren't gonna pass at this point

[glass arch]

shouldnt be an issue

there were 2 evil island suggestions in voting at the same time and nothing broke

[toxic basalt]

the only thing I hope now is that this one actually gets somewhere

[fervent orbit]

i keep forgetting voting exists

[wide river]

It's not a matter of things breaking, it's just the fact that both of them might fail now
Maybe I'm just being paranoid again, I don't know

[fervent orbit]

also did alot of people just vote last night or smthn, feels like theres way more votes than the last 2 days

[toxic basalt]

I think so? Idk

[lunar falcon]

I would love to see some modded whips

[wide river]

They'll be added eventually, once some other things are taken care of first

[lunar falcon]

Good. Maybe I'll not give up on summoner when it drops 🙏

[toxic basalt]

not like summoner is already good

[lunar falcon]

eh, doesn't feel enjoyable with just vanilla whips to me

[half imp]

you can use other stuff too

like slime puppet, sentries, right-click targeting, classless weapons

[fervent orbit]

BUT MY TERRAGRIM DROP

HOW DO I GET TERRAGRIM NOW

[glass arch]

you dont need it

[polar pine]

pretty sure its used for something

but i forgot

[fervent orbit]

some endgame item

[hollow ridge]

only
names out 5 weapons

[fervent orbit]

that are all obtained via other, simply ways

except terragrim

[hollow ridge]

Waaa

My minecraft sword

[fervent orbit]

shrimply give terragrim a crafting recipe

[drowsy plank]

terragrim is used in fuckin uhhhhh

devil's sunrise

[frosty trellis]

Correction: One of the 99% of donor items you want dead

[drowsy plank]

so true :)

tbh id love to see it reworked but i just have no ide what they'd do with it lmao

[frosty trellis]

Idk either as I've played the EBF games and it's not like it has any special animations or anything to base the reference off fo

[dense ferry]

It's used in the Ark line

[bright crag]

Could be fished up
Or we can increase drop chance from Shrines

[dense ferry]

I prefer the latter

[bright crag]

Ehhh

[bright crag]

You can use Enchanted Sword iirc

[dense ferry]

Fishing 🤮

[dense ferry]

Yeah, you can

But in defense of Cosmic Elemental

I did get a Terragrim from it once

[bright crag]

Damn

[dense ferry]

Infact, the first Cosmic Elemental I killed on my last pt dropped it

[bright crag]

I always get Bone Sword
When I get anything at all

I don't have any particular interest in Cosmic Elemental
It can go imo

[dense ferry]

Cei is cooking something with the Bestiary so idk

I hope it will end up tied to the Distortion 🙏

[wide river]

I don't think I've ever gotten any swords from a Cosmic Elemental

The drop rates are too low to reliably get anything from an already somewhat uncommon enemy, and changing the rates would either lead to nothing changing or getting a sword literally every Elemental

[ornate kestrel]

I didn't even know it dropped stuff

I also forgot it existed

[swift wharf]

shimmer

AUGH reply ping

[wide river]

It really feels like a lot of suggestions are just better once 1.4.4 is available
There's probably like a dozen suggestions waiting at this point

[bright crag]

A bit too easy imo

[glass arch]

if it was a fishing drop it would be at least some motivator to fish

other than reaver shark (which many people probably dont know is unnerfed in cal) or the fishing weapons

[swift wharf]

shimmer beam blade or smth

or enchanted sword if you want ppl to use it in prehardmode

[glass arch]

wait...

why is arkhalis in the same vein as dev vanity sets

its a fully functional weapon why not make it the shimmer variant of terragrim relogic

[swift wharf]

because

dev item

[golden sonnet]

isn't terragrim going to be sold in 1.4.5 or whatever the next vanilla update is

[swift wharf]

no clue

[glass arch]

no clue

[swift wharf]

but give it a decent obtainment method before that

[grim tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

because fuck porting

[wide river]

Where have you heard this
I'm curious

[glass arch]

probably chippy if i had to guess

[swift wharf]

the voices in my head

[bright crag]

Maybe because Arkhalis is dropped with the Arkhalis set...?

[glass arch]

mmm good point i forgot about that

[bright crag]

Terragrim was added precisely because Arkhalis was cool and they wanted a weapon of the same functionality to stay as rare shrine drop

[bright crag]

It's already sold by the Princess in Celebration seed, during Blood Moons iirc

[glass arch]

ye

25 gold during a blood moon

[swift wharf]

the 3 ppl who play that seed are celebrating rn

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, looks like that's what I was thinking of

was just looking into it

[glass arch]

as you should with the celebration seed

[swift wharf]

that is the joke

byeah just make terragrim the shimmered version of ench blade

[bright crag]

That'd just remove the point of being "rare shrine drop" :p

[swift wharf]

yes

that is my point

[bright crag]

I don't think it should be as easy to obtain as Enchanted Sword

[swift wharf]

and so is the point of shimmer

making rare drops less rare

[bright crag]

Shimmer isn't hard to get...? And making Terragrim a shimmered Enchanted Sword would make them pretty much equal in rarity

[swift wharf]

that qualifies as less rare

• shimmer is cool

[bright crag]

Yeah, just saying that I disagree with putting them on the same level

[swift wharf]

no problem,

[bright crag]

Out of principle due to how they work and were established, but also because making Terragrim this easy to get also seems hard to balance

[swift wharf]

if you want it to be a rare shrine drop, but easy to get, make it a shimmered version of a later sword

[golden sonnet]

It's ok, it's bad even preboss. Only reason it needs a method to get is because it's a material in Cal

[bright crag]

(That would remove the theme)

[swift wharf]

you got terragrim in prehardmode? neat, it's a good weapon to have

you just want it for a later recipe? get it from hardmode

[bright crag]

It certainly doesn't look bad for preboss

[golden sonnet]

It's tiny range just makes it not worth it, it works for worms like EoW and DS, but other weapons are better. Plus with calamity AI it can't stunlock bosses like it can in vanilla

If I have time I could try to do some actual tests this weekend to give numbers instead of just "I said so"

[bright crag]

That would be ideal

Because while yeah, it has a low range
It seems capable of some serious damage

[swift wharf]

but anyways there are other pre-boss weapons that are just as hard or even easier to get that perform better than terragrim

so you'd have to balance either them or terragrim, which is not worth it tbh

[bright crag]

Honestly, if Terragrim is average... what the fuck Re-Logic

[fervent orbit]

just give terragrim the exact same recipe as enchanted sword but with emeralds instead of ruby

problem fixed

get home safely

goodnight

[golden sonnet]

I know it suck against all bosses but BoC in vanilla, unsure about in Cal

[bright crag]

Because they do balance more organically than Calamity
Considering, among other things, ease of obtainment
Which is why Shadow Chest loot immediately outclasses Dungeon Chest loot

[golden sonnet]

not that they are reliable source, but terrasteel even made a video about how bad it is in vanilla recently

[bright crag]

If we were to give them equal ease of obtainment, Shimmer is just
The clear best option

[glass arch]

maybe lock the shimmer to like
post eoc or smth if terragrim is best around post eoc

[glass arch]

isnt a nerf the last thing weaver needs

or am i misremembering

[halcyon zealot]

Yeah it doesn't need onr

[north oracle]

I sense a skill issue in suggestions posting

[halcyon zealot]

I do kinda feel that if using the transformer / stem cells it is too easy, but without those it becomes a bit obnoxious

[north oracle]

While he’s right, it gets boring and repetitive

He hasn’t even beaten phase 1

Which seems more like not knowing you need to attack the tail tbh

[crude geode]

Hey can we ban the combo of skill and issue in this chat kthxbai

[halcyon zealot]

Electrified debuff damage is so much

[halcyon zealot]

Lmao

[north oracle]

Has anyone ever made a suggestion about making it clearer that you’re meant to attack the tail?

[glass arch]

that would be a good idea

[halcyon zealot]

@frozen spruce try equipping "the transformer" accessory, it changes the whole fight (his electric attacks are not a threat anymore and no more electrified debuff)

[hollow shell]

I'm surprised that suggestion has so many words in it with so little elaboration

[glass arch]

using big words doesnt always make you more photosynthesis

[north oracle]

Yeah
It’s just “this fight is boring and repetitive and I can’t beat it”

[hollow shell]

Osprey what do you find annoying about the fight?

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it is boring and repetetive, I agree with that

[north oracle]

it’s also not that bad with melee

[glass arch]

boring and repetitive is most sentinels imo

[crude geode]

Literally

[golden sonnet]

2/3 yeah (I will stand by Ceaseless being fun and not boring, can maybe see an argument of repetitive tho)

[north oracle]

I feel like he should’ve taken to help advice instead of going straight to suggestions honestly

[hollow shell]

ah, yeah

[north oracle]

…yeah

@frozen spruce can I suggest you go to #help-advice-read-pins and ask for help beating the fight before asking for it to be changed?

[half imp]

i do agree that weaver needs changes but

this aint it

[glass arch]

mans didnt even ask for help

[frosty trellis]

It's probably the easiest as melee bc Stellar Contempt is a Very Big Funny

[frosty trellis]

Oh that explains a lot

[half imp]

there

also

how was the weaver suggestion before mine not !ed

[half imp]

cv on it's way to be the only interesting sentinel

[frozen spruce]

lightning attacks mainly

[glass arch]

technically doesnt break any rules as far as i can tell

[halcyon zealot]

!wiki the transformer

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Transformer

[frozen spruce]

thx doing that

[golden sonnet]

Glad you agree, I really like CV rn

[halcyon zealot]

[glass arch]

!wiki tesla potion

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Tesla_Potion

[glass arch]

reduces the duration of electrified by 50% iirc

[half imp]

yea

[frosty trellis]

The lighting isn't even the thing that makes the fight hard tbh

[half imp]

so true

[frosty trellis]

It's mainly the dashes

That

Are

[half imp]

the dashes aren't bad at all tbh

[frosty trellis]

Cancer

[half imp]

nah

[frosty trellis]

The dashes are really dumb at times

[half imp]

the only time they're dumb is when he gets out of sync

and dashes at the same time as ice rain

[frosty trellis]

Phase 1 needs to be interesting and the dashes need to not be bad

[half imp]

the dashes are mostly fine though but a bit too much of the fight is just dashes

[frosty trellis]

The main thing I have with the dashes is the fact it can dash horizontal WITH more delayed lighting afterwards which feels bullshit

[glass arch]

phase 1 needs to not be ⭕

[frozen spruce]

I admit, I am a bit salty from the sudden difficulty compared to the other two Sentinels

[half imp]

here's a tip

hit the tail or use holy collider

holy collider flames always hit the tail, meaning you can hit the body and kill phase 1

[halcyon zealot]

No worries gamer, it happens

[frosty trellis]

Oh yeah Holy Collider MELTS

[glass arch]

in sw p1 you gotta aim for the ass

[frosty trellis]

Or holy Collider if you're melee byeah

[glass arch]

and just circle the thing

[frozen spruce]

thats what ive been trying

[frozen spruce]

same with that

I think the transformer will be the main goal

[grim tusk]

@frozen spruce try to reword the sugg to be less of a rant

[minor spindle]

last time I fought SW as melee I could just pretty much face tank the entire thing using the true biome blade, the healing from that on worms is tremendous

[grim tusk]

And try to be a bit more objective

Currently the sugg also has barely any valid reasoning

Storm Weaver is also a lot harder (at least for melee) than Ceaseless Void and Signus, as I have defeated Ceaseless Void on the first try, Signus on the second try, and I haven't gotten past Storm Weaver's 1st phase even after like 5 tries. I have already defeated Polterghast, just FYI.”

This paragraph kills your sugg

“Maybe give it less annoying attacks, make its first phase easier, and maybe even get rid of some segments.”

Elaborate on this

[halcyon zealot]

Lucrecia incident

[grim tusk]

Lemme guess it doesnt proc lifesteal cooldown

[minor spindle]

what's Lucrecia?

[grim tusk]

[minor spindle]

It may have not existed back then not sure

[grim tusk]

Post-Golem shortsword that gives invincibility on hit

[minor spindle]

when was the cooldown added?

[minor spindle]

sounds pretty strong

[half imp]

it is incredibly broken

[grim tusk]

Ages ago, although it was more of a hidden mechanic but now its very clear and pops up in the cooldown display

[half imp]

full invincible vs all worms and a lot of bosses

[minor spindle]

huh guess it does not proc it then

that said i have not played melee in like half a year or so

[swift wharf]

unique phase 1 ai

[frozen spruce]

k

@half imp thanks for giving a better suggestion than mine

[digital hatch]

Give it a flame thrower

It won’t make sense but it will be more exciting

[golden sonnet]

Please no.

We need to take DoG's away, not give them to more things

[polar pine]

not gonna lie I find ceaseless void significantly harder than storm weaver

like the only reason cv might be easier is that you can tank it more easily

[golden sonnet]

I also find it by far the hardest of the sentinels, but it's also the only one that actually feels like a fight

[polar pine]

yeah

and honestly I still don't know what's happening in the signus fight because you just annihilate him

[grim tusk]

Yea Singus has been on the rework backburner for a while

[glass arch]

im guessing itll come around whenever the resprite comes?

[half imp]

honestly

All sentienels besides CV feel like they should also be longer fights

on top of being reworked

CV is great though

Oh that's why

CV has a 3:00 kill time

Weaver has 2:15

[polar pine]

question does cv have an indication of how many sets of orbs are left

[half imp]

Signus has 2:00

[glass arch]

sw needs to have the threshold for phase transitioning bumped up imo (like transition sooner)
plus probably a bit more HP added and a couple new attacks

[half imp]

no

[polar pine]

I feel like to a new player it'd be super annoying because you have no clue how long the fight is

[half imp]

eh

you see how much damage you do to him each time energy ends

[polar pine]

true

[half imp]

one can take an educated guess

[polar pine]

yeah fair enough

[random pasture]

CV is a well designed boss, though they dont do very much damage so they end up being pretty easy tbh, SW is harder purely because the electrified debuff is really strong especially on Death mode

If you throw on anything to negate electrified SW instantly becomes far easier

[golden sonnet]

I found CV much harder even on master death

[random pasture]

I first tried CV this run, but took several attempts on storm weaver

Idk

CV just really doesn't do much damage

[toxic basalt]

That isn't the problem with CV, it's the fact that actually avoiding his dark energies is painful

[kindred skiff]

Same

[buoyant idol]

CV is impossible to dodge

[kindred skiff]

Cv annoying as hell

Actual hardest calamity boss

[buoyant idol]

I’d say just lock it like it’s vulnerable phases the whole time

[toxic basalt]

that would probably be too much

[buoyant idol]

Would make it a little too easy, increase dmg ig, maybe a new attack

[toxic basalt]

also doesn't SW still have somewhat of an attack overlap issue?

[random pasture]

CV is actually not that hard to dodge

[toxic basalt]

that depends on difficulty

[buoyant idol]

Lies

[toxic basalt]

if it's rev it ain't so bad

[buoyant idol]

Death mode is agony

[toxic basalt]

on death it's a whole different story

[buoyant idol]

I needed post DoG items to win at a point

Post OD was still very, very hard

Scal was easier

[random pasture]

He acts in a set way every fight with a completely consistent pattern

[halcyon zealot]

Lol

[random pasture]

Ok thats just actually a skill issue

I literally first tried it this run on death mode and I am not good at the game.

[buoyant idol]

So you’re a god

Or my two brain cells are fighting for 3rd place

[halcyon zealot]

It might be the latter in this case

[buoyant idol]

Seems likely

How do you dodge it?

[toxic basalt]

how many times did you get hit?

[random pasture]

Multiple times

[toxic basalt]

ok so that didn't answer what I said earlier

I said before that he is a pain to avoid at all

by that I mean, not get hit

[buoyant idol]

That’s what I say, doesn’t deal much but hits you so much

[toxic basalt]

If a boss is really inconsistent to avoid, then there's a problem

[random pasture]

But the thing is, CV is not inconsistent. He is hard to dodge but not inconsistent. He always follows a fixed pattern every fight.

[toxic basalt]

Yes yes I know he has 8 different positions

[buoyant idol]

Sure, the energies are constant but the boss isn’t

[toxic basalt]

but he also follows your position no matter what

[buoyant idol]

He needs to hold still more imo

[random pasture]

Because he is fixed to your relative position like ares is

If you stand still, he also stands still

If you move, he will chase you in whatever position he is in

[buoyant idol]

The problem is that he doesn’t slow very quick, kinda just wobbles and messes you up

[toxic basalt]

him moving + the dark energies also moving is a recipe for disaster

[buoyant idol]

Agreed, that’s why it’s so hard

Perhaps somebody could make a suggestion about this? I gtg and on mobile

[toxic basalt]

eh I would but I'm more concerned about Destroyer atm

he seriously needs changes so he isn't unenjoyable asf

[halcyon zealot]

I mean every class has a way of deleting the destroyer tho

And the rest of his stuff can usually be ran from

[north oracle]

void is one of the most painful bosses to actually nohit, which means he's super inconsistent to avoid hits from

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

CV on it's own is kinda a joke

Since the dark energies deal no damage

[north oracle]

he's really easy to beat normally

[frosty trellis]

But to nohit is.... Yeah he becomes pure bullshit

[bright crag]

Ehh

When nohitting, you have enough damage to counter its relative difficulty

You just need to learn the ram patterns for each phase

[north oracle]

you don't have enough dps unless you're going to go way under MNL lol

[frosty trellis]

^^^

Even with shit like Nuclear Fury which deletes the dark energies you will get hit by them way more often than not

[north oracle]

even dazzling stabber which melts the fuck out of void (while being right around MNL) they're still inconsistent

[small timber]

I think with forbidden achieve existing they should just say fuck it and make cv static

[north oracle]

isn't that what inf phase 1 is looking like?

[small timber]

Currently a large part of what makes CV really annoying to deal with is that it "moves as you move", so you dodge an attack only to have the attack move with you and smack you in the face

[glass arch]

i think thats gonna be the whole fight
not positive, not in inferncord anymore

[north oracle]

awesome

[small timber]

Which makes it so you either have to melt the energies or ram is near mandatory to not get hit

[bright crag]

Not in my experience :p
Of course it's not easy, but it definitely helps

[north oracle]

the trailers i saw mostly seemed to be phase 1 and summoning, but it would be awesome to be the whole fight

[north oracle]

yeah, cal doesn't seem to like nearly forcing ram dashes

[bright crag]

Yeah

I think that we should make CV stationary in the Archives
And stationary during the fight

Would fit pretty much every aspect of CV

[glass arch]

yeah uh how does a portal move and for old lore how does a black hole move

[hybrid steeple]

when the portal to the distortion moves and is aggressive but only to the terrarian apparently

[bright crag]

You can argue that the seal enveloping it is enchanted

Which would make a lot of sense

And it'd use the portal's energy to neutralize threats

[cobalt pewter]

CV being stationary would be awesome

[glass arch]

yeah but why isnt yharim considered a threat

[cobalt pewter]

just gotta make sure it's not fucked up on custom arenas or an edited archives

[bright crag]

Maybe because Yharim didn't try to attack it

[cobalt pewter]

just give CV an altar actually

purely for its position

[bright crag]

If we adjust it to be stationary, could have the fight be started by the player damaging the seal

[cobalt pewter]

what seal

[hybrid steeple]

the casing around the portal

[bright crag]

^

[cobalt pewter]

sure

[small timber]

Make cv only summonable in archieve

Make signus only summonable in brimstone crag

And then somehow make a sky structure

[cobalt pewter]

nah cv shouldn't be limited to archives

[bright crag]

We have an idea for Sigsus already

[cobalt pewter]

just treat it a bit like

golem

[bright crag]

I do think CV should be in the Archives, yes

[cobalt pewter]

by native you can only spawn it in archives but at some point you could move it anywhere else in its legal area

[bright crag]

It matches with its lore and gives the fight a controlled environment

[small timber]

Though priority will be make archieve really hard to be destroyed

[bright crag]

Yeah :p

Otherwise you have a Viscount situation

[frosty trellis]

Game becomes unplayable if you instabridge the crags

[dense locust]

I mean

it's not like signus is particularly necessary

[cobalt pewter]

why signus on crags specifically

[frosty trellis]

Yes Ik about the cosmic worm alternative crafting recipe

[frosty trellis]

Pre-built "Arena" of sorts

[cobalt pewter]

seems out of place especially since signus' main goal is to fuck provi up

[dense locust]

retconned iirc

[cobalt pewter]

oh my fucking god what is it this time

[hybrid steeple]

n/a

this is why knowing the lore is important

its just kinda.

there

we dont really know what it wants

[frosty trellis]

You do realize the lore was re-written recently right Pizza?

I'm looking at Signus's lore and there is NOTHING that mentions any connection to provi or anything

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I was saying what is it this time

is it just fuckin

none

[frosty trellis]

More that he is an unfair fighter and that statis struck a deal with him to kill Braelor, whoever the fuck that is

[hybrid steeple]

"this time" as if this isnt the first time lore has changed in actual years

[hybrid steeple]

what

no
statis struck a deal with it to escape DoG

[bright crag]

^

[hybrid steeple]

he wouldve been thrown into the distortion with braelor if he didnt

[bright crag]

Braelor is Statis' buddy

And bf

[frosty trellis]

Oh whoops

[bright crag]

Statis and Braelor were thrown into the Distortion
Statis struck a deal with Signus and got out of there

[frosty trellis]

I must've misread signus's lore item
Bc that's what it seemed like to me

[bright crag]

Braelor is still stranded lol

[frosty trellis]

AH

Okay

That makes sense

[bright crag]

Signus will be connected to Statis

We have plans for both

[frosty trellis]

If statis is so important why does Statis's Ninja Belt suck ass

[bright crag]

Weaver isn't too hard to make a summon for
CV would be in the Archives

[serene tendon]

When will Cal devs realize they don't need to add lore to Terraria?

[frosty trellis]

Idk ask Cei that question

[bright crag]

We don't need to
We want to :p

[frosty trellis]

That as well

There is no need

Only a want

[hybrid steeple]

you say that like its a bad thing

[serene tendon]

A game like Terraria is inherently nonsensical. Trying to make it make sense is a horrible idea in my opinion. But if they DO want to add lore, at least make it present within the game itself, like in Hollow Knight.

[hybrid steeple]

!wiki lore

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore

[hybrid steeple]

!wiki bestiary

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bestiary

[hybrid steeple]

shrimple as that

[bright crag]

And a surprising amount of stuff is actually explainable

[serene tendon]

I dare you to explain to me how shark guns make sense

[bright crag]

If anything, having lore helps figure out our direction and how everything fits into the mod

[glass arch]

its a gun shoved through a shark corpse

[bright crag]

• Magic is real in Terraria

And we don't make lore for shark weapons :p

We rarely make lore for any weapon

[glass arch]

yeah the only ones with really any lore are the exhumable items (and the exhumed ones too) afaik

[bright crag]

Exhumable items have... not lore, more like
Lore-relevant descriptions

Victide weapons have lore

[serene tendon]

Terraria is a game that's filled with random stuff the devs made while high at 2 AM. I like the charm that comes from such randomness

[bright crag]

Wulfrum has a bit of worldbuilding

[glass arch]

ah yeah victide

[bright crag]

And Aerialite will have lore

[hybrid steeple]

crazy

[serene tendon]

Why do you fight a giant plant after a robot trio? Because why not?

[hybrid steeple]

no ones forcing you to care about the lore

[bright crag]

I don't think adding lore compromises much of the randomness
You still have the same set of bosses, except you can choose to learn about why they're there and how they relate to the world

[serene tendon]

I'm just giving my 2 cents, that's all

[glass arch]

yeah the lore is there for people who want it
if you dont wanna care about it dont care about it

[serene tendon]

But the whole point is there isn't any deeper meaning or reason, that's what makes them random and nonsensical

[glass arch]

thats where you can choose to ignore the lore

again you dont have to care about any of it

[hybrid steeple]

when the video game doesnt cater exactly to your want for random disjointed nonsense and includes things for people who like games with story

[bright crag]

Eh
It's an extra layer of randomness

And I understand how you prefer that

Just that some people would rather have lore and an overarching narrative
Those people are both in the community and the dev team

[lucid flare]

shove Weapon" [in] Shark (dead body)

the arms dealter does say that "you don't want to know" how the minishark works

[cobalt pewter]

config sugg :wires:

[wide river]

I don't think it's necessarily asking for a config
It could be like a visibility toggle, although in some cases that's worse than a config

[polar pine]

how much faster are they than angel treads?

[wide river]

4 mph faster

[polar pine]

feels kinda pointless then

[wide river]

It's at the cost of 12% acceleration as well

[polar pine]

oh yeah definitely pointless then

[wide river]

Also, if you have a difficult time progressing with the Seraph Tracers, then don't use the Tracers?
Just have any lunar wings or the Celestial Starboard instead

[small timber]

@long aspen they are making a line that is purely boots, aka angel treads upgrade
instead of "making tracers not wing", that is in fact intended: tracers are meant to be wings + boots

soon™️

[long aspen]

awesome

[small timber]

isnt those rockets very glassy?

which is the main way you are supposed to deal with them

[lucid flare]

you can hit them?

[royal tapir]

I mean, it's quite a small target

[glass arch]

yeah

[wide river]

Yea, you can damage them

[glass arch]

thing is though they're super fucking hard to hit and often times they bunch up

so you kill one but then theres also 4 others there that are ready to steal your vital organs

[small timber]

I mean when you are running in a single direction they also come from a single direction

the only time when I have trouble to deal with them is on master ftw, but I also have like no actual damage to kill them

[royal tapir]

When are you running in a single direction against PBG

[small timber]

when rockets are fired, PBG have a dedicated phase to stand still to just spawn rockets and mines

[royal tapir]

Which leaves them spread out anyways

[small timber]

and a large part of dealing with charges is to just keep moving to identify what direction PBG is charging from

[royal tapir]

You're not really purely moving in one direction

[small timber]

the only phase I didn't really run is plague nuke barrage but that is also down to preference, I just like standing still more for that phase

you just have to run in 1 direction enough that the rockets turn to you and chase in one direction

which as you stated the rockets have strong homing which help to achieve that, since you only need 1-2 second

[royal tapir]

Even small fluctuations in vertical movement can throw things off considering they still have tiny hitboxes

[small timber]

you need to be using like fault line for it to be a problem

[royal tapir]

I don't think being forced to kill a minion like this just to survive is good design

[small timber]

because once they chasing you you just fire in their general direction and it is done

[royal tapir]

Definitely not true from experience

[glass arch]

the main issue ive had with em is they seem to invalidate any piercing

[small timber]

can you specify what difficulty mode you are using?

this is rev and the rockets are like, a joke

unless death significantly change it, sec

it get faster at later phase but I am also using fault line yoyo bag

which is like, bugged and dealing 33% damage I am supposed to be dealing

[royal tapir]

Why does damage matter

[glass arch]

death mode

[royal tapir]

And yes it getting faster in later phases is the biggest issue

[glass arch]

they just dont take enough damage in my experience

they clump up and then it takes forever to kill em

[royal tapir]

I still maintain that in their current state they force either using a movement build to outrun them or a weapon with fast firing/homing

[dense ferry]

I never had problem with these missiles

[small timber]

because if you have enough damage you can straight up kill it

[north oracle]

you can just drink a tesla potion and totally invalidate them too, and with a strong enough build that doesn't even seem to matter

[royal tapir]

Tesla Potion is an edge case

[frosty trellis]

Oh and not to mention the fact if you're in the underground jungle while fighting him to prevent him from enraging, the natural green jungle bg from the leaf walls makes them really hard to see

[small timber]

if anything about PBG I want to complain about it is the fact that it still can do charges from suspiciously vertical position

for rockets it is definitely something I don't really have a problem with

[frosty trellis]

I mean that's with fishron wings

And well

[royal tapir]

And they still kept up

[frosty trellis]

If you need post optional boss gear to reasonably dodge a bosses attacks on the same tier

Then like

No

That IS a big issue

[glass arch]

and a boxed in arena
i tend to fight pbg on the surface for more room which means usually no walls

[dense ferry]

I

[frosty trellis]

I fight him underground so I don't accidentally enrage him

[polar pine]

wait he enraged above ground?

[dense ferry]

Don't see how that's a problem tbh

[frosty trellis]

Bc he enrages outside the jungle

[polar pine]

oh I see

[dense ferry]

Idk I never had a problem with these missiles

[glass arch]

i notice the walls break a good chunk of the missiles

[frosty trellis]

I mean

[dense ferry]

I tend to use Tyrant's Ultisword for PBG tho so idk

[royal tapir]

Well there you go

[frosty trellis]

If the missles are keeping up with fishron wing speed with perfect homing
Then if you have lesser wings bc you haven't fought fishron yet you cannot outrun them in any reasonable capacity or kill them

[dense ferry]

But even then, those thing are just

Super frail

[frosty trellis]

I've been hit by their ridiculous speed and being kinda hard to see in the underground jungle multiple times

[glass arch]

sometimes even rams cant reliably hit them

[drowsy plank]

yall been busy christ

[frosty trellis]

Far more than I am willing to admit

[frosty trellis]

THAT AS WELL
Ram's aren't reliable

[dense ferry]

Genuinely seems like a skill issue but idk

[frosty trellis]

Rams can Kill Them and then you take the explosion damage

[dense ferry]

I will see when I eventually™️ reach PBG in my pt

[bright crag]

Not super frail
Based on my experience with a more balanced setup, they might need a tiny velocity/HP decrease
I'd be more inclined to the latter

[frosty trellis]

I mean if someone who has nohit boss rush is complaining about how bs a homing mechanic is for a pre-moonlord boss then I'm not sure where the skill issue lies

[bright crag]

I do like the missiles being so precise

[royal tapir]

Nohitting doesn't have much to do with this really

[glass arch]

they could have a bit less precision imo

[dense ferry]

Authority argument is bullshit 👍

[frosty trellis]

I would like less precision

[dense ferry]

Besides, Boss Rush is completely different from fighting PBG normally

[royal tapir]

But if the minions are forcing a certain playstyle just to be manageable then that's not a skill issue lol

[glass arch]

like they can still be precise
just not this precise

[frosty trellis]

^

That is just boring

That's not a skill issue that's just boring

[dense ferry]

Anyways yeah idk I legit never had an ounce of trouble with these minions

And I fought PBG A LOT

[frosty trellis]

Not to mention if they have fishron wing speed then like, they are a bit fast

[bright crag]

Their precision encourages clever movement
Idk, I just like how hard it is to shake the missiles, it has always proven to be an interesting gimmick

[royal tapir]

The subs have jecting with tives

[glass arch]

a lot of times i dont do duke until post pbg and i can tell you for a fact the rockets are pretty damn hard to dodge if you dont have the speed from fishrons

[north oracle]

i don't use fishron wings often, i usually just have tattered fairy
don't often have issues with them tbh

[frosty trellis]

Exactly

I've always had problems with PBG

People in cmt always got mad at me bc I said PBG is harder than Yharon

The plague misses are a good part of that

The plague debuff causing visibility issues after you get hit doesn't help anything

[glass arch]

the minions are pretty much the only part about it i dont like (i really fucking hate it when bosses have minions)

[frosty trellis]

It depends on the boss tbh

[bright crag]

^

[frosty trellis]

Leviathan's minions are fine

[dense ferry]

I guess they can be toned down a bit tbh I wouldn't mind

[bright crag]

Eehhhhh

[frosty trellis]

That isn't the issue with Leviana by any stretch

[bright crag]

I vastly prefer PBG's minions over Leviathan's

Aberrations are really annoying

[royal tapir]

On a separate tangent, can I talk about how Plague reduces your damage by 15%

[frosty trellis]

Leviathan's are far more managable than PBG's

[north oracle]

no they're not

[bright crag]

And they are also very tanky

[dense ferry]

Anyways I should go write now bye

[north oracle]

[small timber]

death mode

[north oracle]

i hate those minions

[dense ferry]

But before I leave

[frosty trellis]

I have quite literally never found an issue with thiem

[bright crag]

They really aren't

[dense ferry]

Leviana's minions are fine for the most part, unless they cuck you

[royal tapir]

Yeah that's quite fast

[dense ferry]

Most of the time it's just a matter of dodging to the side

[wide river]

Can confirm, those things are a nightmare

[bright crag]

Well, then we have completely different game experiences :p

[small timber]

but not outrunning the player

[north oracle]

abberations are a huge pain

[royal tapir]

Where did I say outrunning

[frosty trellis]

Not outrunning the player With fishron wings

Do it

Without fishron xpc

[small timber]

and I definitely am not mobility focus build, I use 1 angel treads

[small timber]

I used hadal mantle

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Huh

Well damn okay

[small timber]

because if it is not outrunning the player it mean it can be dealt with

especially in this case you just have to run around long enough to destroy them

[royal tapir]

Hadal Mantle I think did get a vertical speed boost recently

[frosty trellis]

Y'all may find them annoying
They are FAR from the worst part about leviana

The vomit needs to die hard

[small timber]

and it is a tier of wing you are expected to have

[glass arch]

not sure if this has been changed since i last fought levana (earlier today on 1.4.5 xd) but levi seems to spit the cookies at a close distance to the player

[royal tapir]

Having to move at full speed in the air to keep them manageable on god

[small timber]

fishron is straight up better, let alone empress (which have a press W function)

[frosty trellis]

The levi vomit is the part about leviana that's just bullshit

[bright crag]

I dislike how the vomit really stopscyou from turning back

[small timber]

if rockets is currently indestructible then yes this speed is a problem
the fact that it is destructible (you kind of is intended to), and it is glassy I think it is fine

[frosty trellis]

It's offscreen dest destroyer lasers but half your fucking screen

[small timber]

especially that this is death mode low HP

[bright crag]

I think the biggest problem is the lack of coordination and synchrony between Levi and Ana
They work in entirely separated patterns

[royal tapir]

I would rather their speed be toned down or precision reduced, it still seems quite overtuned from that video

[bright crag]

Just uncoordinated overlap

[frosty trellis]

Like, the levi vomit in combination with leviana making you have to not move alot to dodge her is the entire reason I haven't gone back to nohit bc I am not dealing with this bullshit

Everything is contradictory and overlaps too much

[royal tapir]

I hate comparing the two mods at all
But the coordination is why I love Infernum Levana

[frosty trellis]

I don't remember the fight tbh

[small timber]

you can straight up just destroy them with any weapon that have piercing or aoe, you can ram them, tesla potion also works; I was intentionally let them live for extended period of time for showcase purpose

[bright crag]

That moment when Cal doesn't have a single boss with legitimately solid coordination

[north oracle]

it's so much more enjoyable

[glass arch]

the worst part about levana is the massive damage sponge that is levi imo

[cobalt pewter]

calamity bosses are just

vanilla bosses

and we know how coordinated multiple Terraria bosses are

[small timber]

and I dont even have mobility aside from wings (that everyone has, for PBG in fact you have to kill golem so you definitely have access to it), and angel treads

[bright crag]

Deus has the best coordination imo but that's because it relies on the player
A smart player can make the worms synchronize pretty well

[small timber]

and my weapon was a fault line which is definitely not ideal for clearing rockets

[bright crag]

Guardians are ok

[cobalt pewter]

at least Infernum gives a damn about collaboration fights

[frosty trellis]

No
It's the levi vomit
And the fact both of their attacks in the duo part of the fight overlap a lot and leads to a TON of bullshit

That's what I've learned when trying to nohit them on death is that there is a ton of overlap and bullshit offscreen deaths

[small timber]

and of course it is death mode low hp

[cobalt pewter]

I just hate how with Deus they're just fuckin

Off Screen 80% of the time

[frosty trellis]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[glass arch]

i was referring to the vomit as part of the massive damage sponge that is levi

[cobalt pewter]

why fight bosses that you can barely see unless they charge

[glass arch]

but i can see how you didnt get that because like my glasses im not clear with what i say

[frosty trellis]

Levi is very exploitable with pierce weapons or stuff that hits more than once

[small timber]

guardians current problem is the "switch side" mechanics feels really forceful

[frosty trellis]

I was using pre-nerf christmas tree sword at the time to try and melt him and was doing pretty well

[small timber]

you are forced to switch side with it or you definitely get contact damaged

other attacks of guardian I am fine with

[bright crag]

Leviathan is easier to kill than Anahita in fact

[frosty trellis]

Oh by far

But harder to dodge

[royal tapir]

Why does everyone say Guardians is a rungod fight anyway

[frosty trellis]

Especially with both on the field

[royal tapir]

I've like barely had to run at all when fighting them

[bright crag]

I have some gripes with the Guardian fight on principle

[cobalt pewter]

Guardians is a circle fight

[north oracle]

the strategy i instantly go to is rungodding phase 1

[cobalt pewter]

anyone who says rungod are stoobid

[frosty trellis]

Okay Pizza what era are you living in?

[north oracle]

circling phase 2

[small timber]

if there is an easy way to deal with the boss people will always say it is ideal, eg: "fallgod mandatory exo mechs"

[north oracle]

and hoping like hell i don't get fucked in phase 3

[cobalt pewter]

yesterday

[glass arch]

because its such a massive hitbox its harder to not hit it

[fossil finch]

Fabled rest phases

[north oracle]

how are you circling the healer phase

[bright crag]

And because it gets shred by piercing

[fossil finch]

Leviathan when it sees our tears of heaven

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't touched the mod in ages

[frosty trellis]

Or Terra Ray

[glass arch]

idk the fights surrounding plant arent my favorite in general
especially not aureus fuck aureus

[royal tapir]

Leviathan when I pull out the Aurora Blazer

[cobalt pewter]

is Aureus still garbage

[royal tapir]

No

[frosty trellis]

No not at all

[glass arch]

the rest phases actually exist and do something now

[frosty trellis]

Aureus is much more interesting and less bs now

[glass arch]

(i still hate it from Bad Experiences™️)

[north oracle]

he's still not terribly fun imo, but he's way less bs and much more entertaining

[frosty trellis]

If leviana wasn't such a bullshit problem with Aureus fixes I would've returned to nohitting by now

[royal tapir]

Why not just
skip it

[frosty trellis]

Because I like doing it in a pt

Like

I was doing my nohit journey as a pt

Lol

[royal tapir]

You do you ig

[north oracle]

[frosty trellis]

I don't use Elysium at all or any of that crap
I build my own shit in a pt and all

[glass arch]

elysium... how nice it will be to finally use that

someday i shall

[frosty trellis]

It is public since the nohit doc is in #help-advice-read-pins

[glass arch]

yeah

but im also playing through an ungodly amount of 1.3 rn

[north oracle]

wasn't it unpinned?

[frosty trellis]

I don't like pre-built stuff
It always feels off to me
I like building my own stuff bc it fits my playstyle better

[glass arch]

nah

its still in there

[frosty trellis]

Nah it's at the very bottom of the pins list