suggestions-discussion

[fast helm]

the exo mechs are these HULKING beasts, even just some explosions and a screen flash ala moon lord would work just fine

[dense ferry]

Yeah, but the explosion is meant to last 2 seconds or so

To not take away the fast paced nature of the fight

[fervent orbit]

thats plenty of time to read a small text of dialogue

[fast helm]

yeah exo mechs is a very no-downtime kinda fight

[keen zodiac]

autopause users:

[dense ferry]

Yeah, but then it's gonna be weird for Draedon to come in mid explosion

I don't really have any trouble reading the dialogue mid fight tbh, and if anything a player just skimming through it quickly is enough

[lucid flare]

or maybe even just

reading the dialogue after the fight

i mean it's still gonna be there unless you have a mod that clears the chat for some reason

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[fervent orbit]

wats the point of having dialogue mid fight if a player is just gonna skip over it

might as well put it at the end since theres gonna be no solution to it

[lucid flare]

now i'm mad
discord shit itself now we're gonna have to endure frost barrier in the mod for longer

[dense ferry]

In general to give the fight proggression and a sense of familiarity with the Boss

[fervent orbit]

10 minutes, what a calamity

[lucid flare]

what?

no that's not it

[fervent orbit]

oh wait did it not get passed thru into voting?

24 hours, what a calamity

[lucid flare]

this

[fervent orbit]

oh

well its on 80 now

[lucid flare]

see that's the issue

[fervent orbit]

client side fuckery?

[lucid flare]

it looks like it's on 80 (or in my case, 90) now but if u refresh it it's probably gonna be at 12 or something

my magnum opus, gone just like that

[fervent orbit]

oh yea theres been some client side fuckery

the elemental accessories one got +20 more votes

[lucid flare]

what?????

its reading 110 for me rn

[fervent orbit]

im saying it got 20 more votes

my monkey brain difficult to say shit

[fervent orbit]

yes

we know

[lucid flare]

oh well most people here already agree that frost barrier only serves to be Bad and Grinding Bloat so maybe the devs will bring it up to dev server and it will be rightfully annihilated (manifesting , i hate this stupid accessory)

if i get acknowledged as the frost barrier's biggest hater, then that is a badge to keep

[drowsy plank]

any and everything frost does could be move to aquatic heart and cryo stone without issue

[small timber]

cryostone will have issue, it is functionally not similar and you can just not want that effect (trust me there are people who don't want that effect especially contact boss because it ruin timing especially valor/aegis)

aquatic heart can replace but just, dont fit

[drowsy plank]

idk frost flare

there

[small timber]

what I mean is my as well just remove the effect

most of the time this effect (beyond literally pre-boss, which require travelling merchant to begin with), an effect that freezes an enemy on top of you chances are will just cause you to take extra hit

[lucid flare]

aquatic heart is just frost barrier but better, might i say, good

[small timber]

eg: if yharon freeze on top of you it just make you stay in hitbox for more seconds

[lucid flare]

small issue

[small timber]

so it is just useless

[lucid flare]

yes!!! it is!!!

(although in my suggestion i did mention it was a... "crowd control accessory"

why do we need crowd control accessories in auric tesla armor

even the post-devourer buffed events can be handled on tier pretty nicely

[drowsy plank]

but 4 defense bro..,.,.

[ripe owl]

The benevolence!

[lucid flare]

that makes it more useful than;;;;;;;shackle (3 defense)

[small timber]

in pre-HM it is legit useful because it completely stop normal enemy from chain hitting you with contact

keyword: just get it from your first travelling merchant on day 2 and have enough gold to buy it

[ripe owl]

TravMerchant% speedrun

[drowsy plank]

..,.,.

what if we just made it craftable from snow mats or something

[wide river]

Make it crafted from like Ice Blocks, Boreal Wood, and Iron Bars

[ripe owl]

No Boreal Wood

[drowsy plank]

make it drop from ice slimes idk

[ripe owl]

It's just gonna be a thing made out of ice

Like Ruffian is an armor that's just made out of snow and fur

My favorite "warm coat with water pockets inside"

[drowsy plank]

wait yo drop from spiked ice slime ez

[wide river]

Gives a reason to kill those damn things, I'd be for that

[drowsy plank]

it even makes sense thematically bc it releases a """burst""" of ice when hit

kinda like the slimes

[lucid flare]

yknow what that would be super based

i mean the only reason i hate F-barrier anyway is because you either have to depend on the luck of traveling merchant selling you The Thing (and you having enough money to buy one, or enough if you're on multi)

or grinding for a rare frop of an uncommon enemy

[drowsy plank]

which is also in hardmode

[lucid flare]

ture

[drowsy plank]

you know, when it's no longer useful

[random pasture]

Hey its useful in hardmode

To turn into auric armor

[kindred skiff]

Tf is a frost barrier

[random pasture]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Frost_Barrier

This piece of garbage that you need for auric armor

Its an accessory that gives you 4 defense, immune to the chilled debuff, and inflicting glacial state on anything that contacts you

[wide river]

I love accessories who's only purpose is to make something else!!!

[north oracle]

woohoo!

[wide river]

I used Frost Barrier a grand total of once, just when I had nothing else to put in the slot
Even then I think it got replaced quickly

[hollow shell]

(Glacial State pulse on hit is actually a good effect early game 🥺 )

It doesn't just affect the enemies that hit you, it's a whole radius around you that gets frozen if you take damage

[wide river]

It's quite good, yeah
Especially for bosses that have a lot of minions, like Queen Bee and Hive Mind

[glass arch]

yeah but you also gotta wait for traveling merchant and theres always the chance that you dont get the traveling merchant on a full moon

[random pasture]

Except

It doesnt

[small timber]

just have to get travelling merchant and like 20 gold preboss

0 COPIUM

[wide river]

It's really only good in pre-Hardmode, but it's treated as Hardmode due to being dropped by a Hardmode enemy

[random pasture]

It does not work when a boss is alive

So

[glass arch]

and then the only way to get it aside from that is to farm a rare hardmode enemy

[glass arch]

actually it does

[random pasture]

Well then the wiki is wrong

[hollow shell]

Ahh so it's irrelevant, I forgot

[glass arch]

bosses just have a built in resist to freeze effects

[hollow shell]

Wiki has this for 1.5

However it does not yet have the changes leading up to the current update

I don't know if it's been reverted since then

[random pasture]

Time for Testing

[wide river]

If the sale price was reduced, and/or the Traveling Merchant sold it more frequently, it might be fine

[hollow shell]

That wiki page really needs updating by the way

[wide river]

I'll search the wiki for anything about that

[hollow shell]

I'll bring that up elsewhere

[random pasture]

Imma test it rq

[hollow shell]

"Both the range and duration of the Glacial State debuff are based on the damage the player took when the effect activated."
[doesn't elaborate or provide any numbers]

And the boss thing is only mentioned in the History section, nowhere in the actual page space

I have the most recent source I can literally just check these facts myself

[wide river]

I looked, and the effect hasn't been mentioned to be reverted

If it has, then the wiki is wrong somewhere

[random pasture]

Yep

Just confirmed

Frost barrier does not work on bosses

It is disabled

[hollow shell]

Your phrasing is important here

Does it also not work on normal enemies and/or boss minions while a boss is alive?
Or does it only not work on the bosses themselves?

[random pasture]

Not boss minions

It is flat out disabled

[hollow shell]

Ok

[random pasture]

I checked on EOC and neither it nor the small eyes triggered the freeze

[north oracle]

could we just
remove frost barrier? it has an incredibly annoying obtainment method and barely does anything outside of being added to auric tesla armour

[wide river]

I think Frost Barrier would be fine, if it wasn't part of Auric

[hollow shell]

I think that it has potential. I would rather it get removed from Auric so it can stand better on its own, maybe go into an upgrade line more relevant to its effect

[wide river]

Combine it with either on hit effects or frost related accessories

Those are the only two sets of accessories that it'd fit in, methinks

[hollow shell]

It's 5 gold now

(dunno if it was ever not 5 gold)

Actually hang on

No, both 20 and the wiki's 5 are wrong
It's 12
lol

[wide river]

Wiki is funny sometimes

[small timber]

I only remembered I needed roughly "a lot" (around 20) but yeah

which is why I wrote 20

[hollow shell]

TIL (but unsurprised) that
The glacial state affliction aura effect is exactly the same as the one from Aquatic Heart aka Siren's Heart. It is literally an "OR" in the code

[glass arch]

i want to suggest to add it to rampart (theming kinda fits i guess) but rampart Does Not Need More Shit Added To The Fire

[wide river]

So it's literally just Aquatic Heart 2

[hollow shell]

Aquatic Heart 0.5

[wide river]

Do not
Rampart is broken enough as is

[hollow shell]

(Frost Barrier is the original one actually)

[wide river]

Huh

[glass arch]

i did say it doesnt need more shit added to the fire

[hollow shell]

I know this because I was around when Siren's Heart was added, but Frost Barrier was already in the game by the time I joined

[glass arch]

also what is cog cooking

[hollow shell]

In fact I remembered just now that I fucking animated the original Siren's Heart player model

[wide river]

Aquatic Heart is one of the better "transformation" accessories I've seen

[small timber]

isnt that suggestion will just conflict with the remove frost barrier suggestion

[drowsy plank]

yes

[small timber]

(though tbh 19 votes is like, unlikely to happen)

[drowsy plank]

it's not like we haven't done that before tho

yeah it got kinda fucked by the random discord reset so i wanted to throw my hat into the ring on fixing it

i think this is a better way anyway

if an accessory sucks just move that shit there are plenty of places that need em

[wide river]

I welcome it
(Don't point out that I've voted for it, I don't want to remove a vote)

[hollow shell]

Of course it only has 19 votes lol

[drowsy plank]

it had 40, discord reset them

[hybrid steeple]

functional application

[drowsy plank]

it even removed suggestion bot's react

[hybrid steeple]

[wide river]

So you're saying that if everyone removed their votes we could break the suggestion

(Don't)

[north oracle]

but what if

[drowsy plank]

that would require a lot of people who dont talk here often anyway

[hybrid steeple]

remove all our votes to make sugg bot explode and auto pass it

[wide river]

It probably wouldn't do anything, because Suggestion Bot's code is probably something like:
Does suggestion have 0 reactions? If so, add ⭐. If not, do nothing

[hollow shell]

Oh that's terrible

It is really bad that that's a possibility

[wide river]

So the actual amount would be somewhere around 50?

[north oracle]

still
i kinda want to know

[hybrid steeple]

idk if it reset all of them

[wide river]

If that happens to a really successful suggestion, then that'd be really bad

[hybrid steeple]

since sugg bot's isnt there anymore

[wide river]

Oh, there we go!
It's back

The votes are back, and it's up to 97

Discord is a truly flawless piece of software

[hybrid steeple]

functional webbed site

[hybrid steeple]

what the fuck is going on with this sugg specifically

[wide river]

It seems like you need to restart Discord

[drowsy plank]

ive seen this happen on mobile before but...

[hollow shell]

Ok cool wow

[drowsy plank]

glad to see they somehow managed to fucking port it to desktop

[worldly basalt]

its even higher for me

[hybrid steeple]

??????

[drowsy plank]

the website ever

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah I see 97 now too

[hybrid steeple]

restarting it fixed it but

[wide river]

Discord your application sucks

[dense ferry]

What the fuck 😭

[golden sonnet]

This happened to one of mine before, but was fixed when restarting discrod

[drowsy plank]

This literally never used to happen. What the actual fuck are they doing over there

[golden sonnet]

this one wasn't fixed by then that, and then it was, and then it wasn't

[small timber]

cat kicked the discord server cable

[hybrid steeple]

i guess its a gamble whether sugg bot recognizes it as 100 votes or 10

[small timber]

must be

[hybrid steeple]

[wide river]

Discord, what you smoking over there

[dense ferry]

If anything I guess this sugg can be forwarded manually in case the star requirement is met

Granted anyone can see the actual requirements

[hollow shell]

It, it has happened before

[small timber]

these "votes fluctuation" usually fix itself, most of the time

[drowsy plank]

damn fr??

[small timber]

90% of the time it works everytime

[wide river]

I keep regular tabs on the suggestions amounts, I can keep a record of the most recent suggestions, if at all necessary

[drowsy plank]

i dont remember this ever happening while i was here. except on mobile. desktop was always solid and reliable

[small timber]

not it had happened before
sometimes it is straight up completely reset and never bounce back, which is when that 10% of the time it don't work everytime

[north oracle]

mobile frequently screws things up for me

desktop always seemed to behave as intended

[wide river]

[royal tapir]

So true

[frosty trellis]

@drowsy plank Rover drive is 50 max hp

[royal tapir]

It was nerfed in 2.0.2

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Fair

Makes sense

That it was nerfed

[golden sonnet]

tbh, I kinda like "rework or remove" because less is more

[half imp]

ok uh

why did nobody tell that wulfrum acro pack guy

to specify doing that to squirrel hook only

bc that would be a good change

[glass arch]

@neon tree https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Astral_Monolith_Wall you mean this?

[neon tree]

What the fuck

I looked and even searched for it with Magic Storage, it wasnt coming up

[wide river]

It seems like no one mentioned that suggestion at all
Well, that's not true. It was brought up, but only because the formatting was initially wrong

[wide river]

Sometimes Magic Storage doesn't show some recipes, it's best to check the wiki if you're looking for something in particular
Or not, depends on how you like playing the game

[ripe owl]

It does say to work only w Squirrel Hook?

[drowsy plank]

yeah idk what bro was talking about

[drowsy plank]

did you make a monolith amalgam?

[neon tree]

yes

[drowsy plank]

weird

magic storage be like

[neon tree]

Indeed

I did find it though

[quiet kernel]

@neon tree If you need a plant arena find the vernal passage

[hybrid steeple]

@neon tree
a: formatting moment
b: vernal pass

[neon tree]

What

[hybrid steeple]

!wiki vernal pass

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Biomes#Vernal_Pass
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page vernal pass for a direct link or !wiki search vernal pass for a list of all hits.

[neon tree]

What the hell this is new to me

[hybrid steeple]

lmao

[small timber]

tldr it is basically a free plantera arena on world generation

and post-Plantera you can use rocket launcher over dynamite so there is even more of no reason to add better bombs

[neon tree]

me who already started to make a huge arena for it

[drowsy plank]

also just bad suggestion formatting and stuff lol

[neon tree]

Bruh

Rude

[drowsy plank]

it is a statement of fact

[neon tree]

its a rude statement

[drowsy plank]

the bot flagged it because it isn't formatted correctly

also you barely provide an explanation as to why

[north oracle]

other mods also already add this

[errant bobcat]

Yea just use Fargos city buster

[north oracle]

it's also not formatted right yeah, and has little to no reasoning behind it

[kindred skiff]

That’s not rude he’s just spitting facts

No reasoning, improper format

[north oracle]

he didn't even say it rudely

[kindred skiff]

Why don’t you read rules then edit your post

To make it

Yknow

Actually good

[small timber]

I find the exact opposite: they actually actively ignore the hearts unless I right click it to the point that I need to actively desummon metastasis since they refuse to target the hearts

are you using whips by any chance?

[fathom aspen]

I was using eye of magnus during that, maybe just minions' AI being different

but well imo the hearts' mechanic still aren't the best

I'm aware that cancel-resummoning it will instantly destroy the hearts but that's pretty much not the intended way of using I guess

[drowsy plank]

the fact a summon weapon needs you to basically shoot at a stationary target for your summon to not kill you is definitely very weird

like does sepulcher have the damage that pays off for sacrificing your minions to attack the hearts or procing the summon damage penalty even?

[golden sonnet]

While active make it attack where you click, but if you stop clicking it will attack you

Play cookie clicker with the enemies

[drowsy plank]

ehhhh

carpal tunnel simulator isnt great

and just holding it down is lame

i think just putting it on a cooldown would work tho

maybe you need to specifically click with it's weapon on the thing?

that way it stops use from using rod, whips, classless for a lil bit

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, like once every 10 seconds it will try to get you, so you need to swap to it and reclick

[drowsy plank]

yeah yeah

[golden sonnet]

That could be sick

[drowsy plank]

that works p well i think

[drowsy plank]

@fathom aspen while what you say is fine, i feel like what we said here might be worth consideration at least
i think the biggest issue is that targeting stationary targets conflicts heavily with summoner's identity and the rest of the stuff i said above like here

[fathom aspen]

yeah I'm aware of that too

me being poor at wording long suggs

[frosty trellis]

OH BY FAR METASTASIS IS HILARIOUSLY OVERPOWERED

Metastasis alone is like a 1:30 cut down MINIMUM on an exos fight

[drowsy plank]

i c

[drowsy plank]

so you could def sacrifice your minions to the hearts easily

[fathom aspen]

and yes its extra dps is super strong for a 4-slots cost but imo the said controllability is rather uh

[frosty trellis]

Oh, and if metastasis hit's you, you get iframes which makes it even more hilarious

[drowsy plank]

how's its self damage?

[small timber]

kind of a lot on balanced build

[frosty trellis]

Not sure after the update but I don't think it's much, or nearly enough to justify it giving you iframes

[fathom aspen]

make it do defense damage

[frosty trellis]

Oh rly? Huh

[small timber]

it hurt decent amount because it stick on top of you

per hit not so much

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but it gives you iframes which is just

Well

Kinda brokne

[small timber]

but yeah you can also check if it toggle iframe, I forgot if it deal defense damage

I just desummon it since I just wanted to get killtime

[frosty trellis]

Bc you can use sepulture to give you iframes to take a weaker hit from it instead of oh idk, BLENDER, OHIO or T Hanos

It does not deal defense damage

[small timber]

then yeah if you stack defense it probably become stupid

currently you deal somewhat sizeable damage (frequently) if you are on balanced but obviously you can be a lot tankier

[fathom aspen]

scal self-damage weapons moment

[frosty trellis]

And it gives way more than enough damage to compensate for losing a little damage

[small timber]

scal exhumed weapon should just have local iframe like moon lord

[frosty trellis]

^

[fathom aspen]

that could work

[small timber]

I forgot if metastasis actually has that, cant check right now, need someone else to confirm

[frosty trellis]

I'm certain like cinders it doesn't

Bc that's the thing making cinders of lament the second best post-scal weapon atm is the fact the brother's hits deal nothing bc of defense and dr and then give you iframes

That and it's damage is.... really stupid

[warm rose]

I have not done any rigorous testing, and it was a couple weeks ago, but anecdotally the Meteor Fist carried me all the way through to pre-boss hardmode. Its explosions do great on Skeletron and all but negate the Perforators as a threat, and it's even solid against the Hive Mind.

[drowsy plank]

yeah we all know Meteor Fist is good

[frosty trellis]

Bc of how meteor is obtained, meteor fist is post evil1 since meteors naturally spawn then

[drowsy plank]

and that's where the list of complements for meteor ends

[frosty trellis]

(Not really)

[grim tusk]

Stealth looks good

[frosty trellis]

It's stealth is the only C tier thing but spam is just mid

Stealth could use a very slight buff even since HM/Prefs is 2:00 iirc

[warm rose]

I mention this specifically due to the suggestion listing meteor stuff as being underpowered for its progression point (true) specifically calls out the Fist as bad against every later boss (very not true ime).

[drowsy plank]

i mean it is, the killtimes are right there, it's average at best

[frosty trellis]

I mean, do you have proof it isn't bad againsn't everything post prefs/hm bc meteorite is post boc/eow

[warm rose]

Indeed I do not.

[frosty trellis]

I can't imagine it doing shit on skele prime but maybe it's decent on qb? Although qb is kinda frail as it at times

[drowsy plank]

my guess is it's probably good... with offensive stacking

[warm rose]

Prime? Definitely not.

[frosty trellis]

But like
Anything not named Nadir, Obliterator, Cosmic Shiv and Slick Cane are so like

[frosty trellis]

Meant just skele

Mb

[warm rose]

It appears to do wacky things with Skeletron's defense, and shreds through the first phase that's meant to be gatekept by the hands going down in expert+.

[grim tusk]

Slick cane is the weapon of all time

[warm rose]

Though that might be stealth in general? I am not super familiar with the nitty gritty of that mechanic.

[frosty trellis]

(Oh, and Lacerator)

[frosty trellis]

Are you testing this stuff on expert, in expert-revengence? Bc revengence is what the mod is balanaced around

Bc if it's just on standard expert that changes... A lot of things

[warm rose]

Apparently I've been playing on easy mode, then, eesh. Been doing standard expert and getting wrecked by more bosses than not.

Am I just bad, then?

[frosty trellis]

Not necessarily

[drowsy plank]

i doubt ur bad but it aint what the mod is balanced around and without cal AI a lot of fights become hella easier and the viability of weps can change a lot

[frosty trellis]

Just like
You saying meteor fist is really strong when you're not even playing on the difficulty the game is balanced around and a difficulty lower kinda explains why you might find it so strong

[warm rose]

I just kinda assumed standard expert was a reasonable gauge of difficulty.

[frosty trellis]

For a mod that doesn't add more difficulites yes

[warm rose]

Ohhhhhh the calamity AI stuff is exclusive to- yeah okay. It's starting to come together.

[frosty trellis]

But Cal adds Revengence, The intended Calamity Experience ™️ , and Death Mode, so yeah

[warm rose]

Mmmmmmmm.

[frosty trellis]

AI and HP

[drowsy plank]

rev is like the expert of calamity

it's like classic, expert, rev, death -> easy, medium, hard, very hard

[warm rose]

The listed changes looked so terrifying I assumed you were meant to be doing that after like. Five or six playthroughs.

[frosty trellis]

We balance around Rev since that's the intended experience for cal

[drowsy plank]

medium is what you play the first time but hard is what the game is balanced on

kinda like classic and expert in vanilla

[frosty trellis]

Some people just jump straight into death mode
Doesn't matter a whole lot where you start with but it's generally recommended to start at expert-rev

(Just ignore master bc it does not exist :))))))

[warm rose]

I see.

Touch annoying to have to keep track of two layers of difficulty at once, but I can't imagine a mod is capable of editing the worlds to that degree.

[frosty trellis]

Difficulty doesn't affect worldgen lo

Since it's in a UI

Instead of a worldgen toggle option

For Rev/Death

[warm rose]

No I uh

was skipping steps in my explanation

was thinking about theoretically replacing the vanilla difficulties with Calamity's in the world creation screen.

Removing the vanilla ones entirely.

[half imp]

that's planned

sorta

fabsol has already said they plan to replace master with rev/death

[warm rose]

Wow, really? I assumed it'd be impossible to mod that sort of thing.

[half imp]

in world creation screen

nothing is impossible tbh

just

not worth the effort

(not to mention like)

(this is a terrible idea because cross mod compatibility exists)

anyway uh this metastatis suggestion

ignores that desummoning and respawning it just

deletes hearts entirely

kidna important to adress imo

[drowsy plank]

despawn and resummon could also be addressed with this

just prevent despawn during bossfights too

[grave zinc]

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[hollow shell]

There's been a lot of back and forth on what the plan with that is, ever since vanilla 1.4 came out

So I could say that you're right or I could say that you're wrong
and I'd be correct either way

[ornate kestrel]

Though this isn't my suggestion, it is very similar to a past one I made and I'm happy that at least this one can possibly get passed by the devs

[shy briar]

ok this is epic

[austere cargo]

move perennial ore to desert is a good one

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I was there for the discussions on all of the remove X item suggestions, and watched as they all failed individually. I feel pretty strongly about removing a lot of items, so the whole goal of the suggestion was to get as many to pass in a single suggestion while still keeping the reasoning strong, glad I was able to help yours and others get through even if it was just "stealing" and combining them. Now we just hope the devs agree

[hybrid steeple]

devplans.png

[half imp]

true

I just know that very recently fabsol said that was the plan

[lucid flare]

no more master mode clamity

[ripe owl]

Cmlaety

[frosty trellis]

Cal has had a bad time with difficulties starting with M

[golden sonnet]

TRUE

[halcyon zealot]

Lol

[wide river]

Yooooooooo
It's probably gonna get denied but I'm excited nonetheless

[golden tulip]

just give it anything past early hm tbh

[wide river]

I find it funny that the suggestion about adding "Official" to the name of the Music Mod is the top suggestion of this group

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide river]

Like I said, the simplest ones always get the most votes

[glass arch]

lmao how has my ele gauntlet/quiver sugg already gotten 130 votes

[wide river]

Random suggestion idea that I had

Rework Biofusillade

This weapon is a Uelibloom-tier weapon that is essentially functionally identical to how it was when it was introduced, which in case you don't know, was the literal first version of the Calamity Mod. It's still just rapid-fire projectiles, with the only substantial changes being re-tiers. This thing really needs a rework, as it's frankly quite bland for a post-Moon Lord weapon. I think there could be something much, much better done with this thing, and it may lead the way to more ambitious magic weapons in the future.

I'm going to be heading out pretty soon, so if any of you wanted to suggest this formally, go ahead

[frosty trellis]

Time to make Biofusillade good again

[bright crag]

Just unnerf Traitorous and make it pre-Polter

[fervent orbit]

stip about to say "we alr hhad plans"

fuck

[bright crag]

Nope
But it's very likely that we'll rework it with Uelibloom

[fervent orbit]

thats like uhm

a bit far

[bright crag]

Relatively, yeah

[fervent orbit]

yall are on areospec and theres quite a bit of time between them

assuming all multi class calamity armours are getting reworked, we have:
aerospec -> statigel -> cryonic -> hydrothermic -> astral(?) -> uelibloom

i mightve missed one

[worldly basalt]

are they going to be turned into single-class like wulfrum?

[fervent orbit]

aerospec been confirmed for ranger and mage only

[worldly basalt]

neat

[fervent orbit]

shouldve been ranger and rogue since melee, mage and summoner alr got an armour set one boss beforehand

(which is why we need crab and deerclops inbetween evil 1 and 2)

[distant gyro]

victide armor might also come this update

depends on how things go

[fervent orbit]

oh ye victide didnt get a rework just a sprite update

also can we rename victide thanks

huh no suggestion on that unless i missed it

can someone double check if there was a sugg on victide rename or know if its planned alr?

[swift wharf]

Oh right

The Vic doesn't make sense anymore I assume

[fervent orbit]

shush

my sugg

[golden sonnet]

None in voting I could find, doesn't make sense to be named after victory shards

[fervent orbit]

i claim it (i havent written a word of it)

[golden sonnet]

oh lmao, you just said that

[swift wharf]

Me deleting your messages

[golden sonnet]

BASED

[fervent orbit]

dont u dare

[golden sonnet]

gatekeep gaslight trial mod

[fervent orbit]

bro tf is that frog hat

is that a new shitty nitro feature

[swift wharf]

Theorize throwup trialmod

It is a BASED nitro feature

[fervent orbit]

another thing to make nitro "worth" more

fuck im an awful writer

wait i have an idea

[worldly basalt]

what the hell is a super reaction

[fervent orbit]

thanks for demonstrating with another useless nitro feature

wait fuck i dont think will work

[wide river]

If that's the case, should I just remove the suggestion?

[fervent orbit]

nvm ill just write like a normal human

[golden sonnet]

Discord adding the most fucking useless paywall features while their search function breaks every other day and reactions get thanos snapped randomly

[fervent orbit]

no keep reminding the devs

[wide river]

But... but... the funny reaction effects!!1!1

[worldly basalt]

discord nitro users should be able to ban people without reason whenever, that would be an amazing feature that would improve discord

[wide river]

[novel belfry]

❗ moment

[dense ferry]

Yup

[gilded scroll]

❗ moment indeed

[fervent orbit]

@deft finch no

[wide river]

Wasn't a boss concept like that also in the cut content doc
I think there might've been

[fervent orbit]

Rename Victide Armour

I believe the name of "Victide Armour" is not appropiate anymore due to Pearl Shards, previously known as Victory Shards, was renamed to a more fitting name.

guys i need help idk wat else to write and it feels wrong ending it like that

[deft finch]

No clue I'm new to modded

[gilded scroll]

i wanna suggest something, but i dont know what to suggest

[fervent orbit]

me 24/7

[worldly basalt]

read the suggestion don'ts doc

here

[hybrid steeple]

i call it.... the fogbound

[deft finch]

Whats doc?

[hybrid steeple]

document

[worldly basalt]

document

[wide river]

Doc is short for document

[fervent orbit]

hlep

[worldly basalt]

seems fine to me

they can name it themselves

[fervent orbit]

i just feel like there should be more written to it but idk wat

[wide river]

There's been a suggestion that got into voting with "That's it that's the suggestion 👍 " as the reasoning

[novel belfry]

It looks fine honestly
Victide imo is an unique enough name for the armor set

[fervent orbit]

that is true

(sadly)

[novel belfry]

which one was it

[fervent orbit]

oh i know wat was missing

[hybrid steeple]

what the fuck is this profile frame

[worldly basalt]

well it was a pretty straightforward ask

[hybrid steeple]

why do the eyes move

[worldly basalt]

surveillance

[novel belfry]

lol

[wide river]

That one yea

[fervent orbit]

Rename Victide Armour

I believe the name of "Victide Armour" is not appropiate anymore due to Pearl Shards, previously known as Victory Shards, was renamed to a more fitting name and Victide Armour getting a resprite, giving it a more sea-related look. Victide Armour's name should also follow with this theme change.

thats better no?

[worldly basalt]

well the look is fine imo

[fervent orbit]

im gonna post it and hope im original

[grim tusk]

The reasoning was vanity accs should work on mannequins

The “That’s it that’s the suggestion 👍” was just a bad sugg practice but those arent insta flags

[fervent orbit]

which should be self explanatory due to the title

[hollow idol]

i did bring up victide’s name before
but it was decided to retroactively turn the pun into “vicious + tide”

[fervent orbit]

i dont

wat

vicious

i

wat

wait so how tf u meant to pronounce victide then

hmm

[hybrid steeple]

vishtide

[fervent orbit]

NO

[wide river]

That was the only part I remembered about it, I forgot the rest

[wide river]

Vietide
Like indict but it's vict

Terrible pronunciation, I know

[fervent orbit]

also i love how all the victide headpieces get a pun

EXCEPT FOR SUMMONER

[drowsy plank]

dracovishtide

[hollow ridge]

😔

[golden sonnet]

This sounds/looks like a word for a horrible event done against Vietnamese people

[wide river]

It does
That wasn't the intention but I regret creating that word

[fervent orbit]

also i love how yuh joined discord on april fools

[golden sonnet]

says march 31st for me, get timezoned

[hollow ridge]

Off topic vids in CMT 😔

[buoyant idol]

What if Supreme Calamitas had no arena anymore, changing Sepulcher to be more like Metastasis and increasing the speed of Brimstone Monsters to accommodate?

[drowsy plank]

Reversion suggestion

[buoyant idol]

Fair, but how long ago was that? Or was that just normal Calamitas?

[drowsy plank]

pretty sure scal had it too, and it was a while ago, but id argue it also falls under excessive work as well

[glass arch]

scal has always had some arena limitations as far as i can tell on the wiki

[buoyant idol]

The first arena was added in ~1.2

[glass arch]

first it was bordernados like yharon has and then it was the modern arena

[golden sonnet]

No, when I initially played she didn't you kinda just flew all across space, made finding calamitous essence miserable because it floated

but that was like, 6+ years ago

[buoyant idol]

1.2.3.001, so around 5 years ago

That seems far off but it's still quite a bit of work and a reversion

[half imp]

Devs have already stated scal is s finished fight iirc

also changing her to not have an arena makes little sense, that's what exo mechs are for

[halcyon zealot]

Ain no way she's losing the arena

[buoyant idol]

It does seem mildly inconsistent compared to the doppelganger

[halcyon zealot]

That's like one of the coolest things

[novel belfry]

@fervent orbit, sorry to bother you over something semantic, but I feel like this part of your sugg:

due to Pearl Shards, previously known as Victory Shards, was renamed to a more fitting name
should be changed to:
due to Victory Shards being renamed to the more fitting name of Pearl Shards

[fervent orbit]

thanks

[drowsy plank]

you'd have better luck convincing people to give clone cal an arena than to remove scals

also like

why?????

[novel belfry]

Good question

I think Scal spawning that arena is quite distinctive to that boss fight

[fervent orbit]

calclone arena when

[buoyant idol]

Just seemed off for me, but I guess it's indeed a staple to the fight.

[half imp]

it's very staple

it also makes a lot of sense

she and exo mechs are the opposite types of fights

Exos are a speed and damage race, very chaotic

She is slower, methodical, and a test of endurance

removing the arena reduces those comparisons drastically

you'd also need to do way more than just buff brim monsters and sepulcher if you removed arena

[buoyant idol]

I'm not entirely sure what else would need to change, but it does make her and the Exo Mechs very similar so it seems pretty dumb now.

[north oracle]

Oh god without an arena you’d just rungod bullet hells

[dense ferry]

Calamitas World Tour

[buoyant idol]

Normal Calamitas:

[north oracle]

Exactly

You’d cross the entire map in an SCal fight lmao

[buoyant idol]

Exo Mechs find that childsplay

[dense locust]

prior to the box being a thing I believe the way people beat scal was basically identical to the way people beat exo twins

albiet the fight was a lot different back then (no bullet hells lol)

[golden sonnet]

correct, you just flew across like all of space

[swift wharf]

Scal needs a better arena

[golden sonnet]

really? I think it's fine as is

[swift wharf]

It's

The final boss of the mod

You fight it in a thin ass box

You fight the final boss of the mod, in a one tile wide red box

[fervent orbit]

true just copy infernums arena

[golden sonnet]

I guess I normally build blocks around the outside and shadow paint them, so that criticism is fair

[dense ferry]

I WILL KILL YOU

[fervent orbit]

wot

[dense ferry]

Byeah I think Cal's arena would benefit from a glowup

[swift wharf]

I don't think I need to explain why a box arena
for the final boss of the mod is bad

[dense ferry]

Tho what the fuck could be made without-

Make it an eye

Make it a fucking eye and I will cry

[golden sonnet]

Holy shit, make it look like the old crags please

[fervent orbit]

should i make a new suggestion for this?

????

[dense ferry]

Can you let me?

[fervent orbit]

thats going to be saved and used as blackmail

[grim tusk]

Lame, boring and unethical

And performance issues

[swift wharf]

[golden sonnet]

NOOOOOO

[dense ferry]

I have A LOT of reasoning for it other than

"Haha funny old sprite reference"

[swift wharf]

Someone make "Visually improve Scal's aren" I'm too lazy

[dense ferry]

Time to write

[fervent orbit]

just politely ask before bullying them for access to the code

[dense ferry]

Already did one for visual improvements for Exo Mechs so why not

[grim tusk]

If theres an
“Like infernum” or “infernum does it”
IM KILLING YOU

[fervent orbit]

so uhm

[dense ferry]

I haven't even played Infernum so I'm immune

[fervent orbit]

let me write this

Improve SCal's arena's aesthetics

For currently being one of the final bosses of Calamity, and possibly the most well known of the Calamity bosses, SCal's arena is very underwhelming in terms of aesthetics. Currently, it is just a 1 block wide box of red tiles. This looks underwhelming for a boss that is usually hyped over alot, and looks bland and lazy. I believe that an aesthetic upgrade to SCal's arena would be a large improvement as it would make SCal feel more like a final boss and would be more imposing to players fighting SCal.

(like infernum)

thoughts?

oh wait i forgot one tiny bit

[golden sonnet]

I will boil your liver.

[fervent orbit]

@grim tusk i need your thoughts on this sugg before i post it

[golden sonnet]

[grim tusk]

[fervent orbit]

lo

[grim tusk]

(The sugg is good)

[fervent orbit]

oh ok

[dense ferry]

Can I add one thing?

[fervent orbit]

i prob shouldnt be posting so many suggs at once

[fervent orbit]

i said thoughts for a reason

[dense ferry]

A

Ok, so

The shape of the arena could resemble an eye, for several reasons. Two of which would be to pay homage to the old Crags format, which had an eye in the center of it, and not only that, but it would serve as a nice nod for Calamitas' old sprite where she resembled an eye. But of course, references for the sake of references aren't enough, specially for the past, so for the preset, the eye could serve as a representation of Calamitas watching you, even now. Currently, the reasons Calamitas fights you are specifically tied to the fact that she is afraid you will just become like Yharim, and concludes this by, you guessed it, watching you, she even comments on you killing her Clone, which clearly defines that she was in fact watching you, and in general Calamitas watching you is a theme that has been solidified not only in the Lore but also in the player's views. Even during the fight, the Supreme Witch would keep her gaze upon you, watching your performance, your ambitions and your wishes, to finally come to the conclusion that as afraid as she is, you offer a more hopeful future than Yharim does now.

@fervent orbit if you could add into the suggestion

[fervent orbit]

a

right

hmm

might ask someone else if that part is too sisy or not

[grim tusk]

❗

[dense ferry]

Shit

[fervent orbit]

thanks friend

[grim tusk]

Leave the shape up to us

[dense ferry]

Sorry just thought the idea was too good to pass up

Crazy how one word changes the implications of a phrase so much

[golden sonnet]

You could add something like "how you change the arena to be more impactful is up to the devs, but changing the shape to eye or otherwise altering the structure from a basic box could be a good start"

and that would just be mentioning a possibility, and less SiS

[grim tusk]

Your shape is also a reference for sake of reference (also ❗ )

[dense ferry]

Yeah, just thought it would be cool and all, reference and a justification past that

[fervent orbit]

yall think its fine to send as is or should i get some more opinions from others

[grim tusk]

And “it would be cool” is also ❗ but you at least justified it to not get that flag the sugg

[golden sonnet]

I miss old crags . At least New New crags is cool, mid crags was just mid and cringe

coincidentally to the conversation, it was also just a big square

[dense ferry]

Suggestions are hard for me to make because most of the time I think way too much about what I want to suggest and specify it too much, byeah

[fervent orbit]

clearly the solution is to stop thinking

[dense ferry]

Ture........

[golden sonnet]

God I wish that were me

[fervent orbit]

i have a problem of thinking i havent written too much

[grim tusk]

I do the alternative of think several times ahead and then get tired

[dense ferry]

I could say that I am in fact good at thinking

I just do good at connecting some dots

[grim tusk]

Yea thinkers get stressed and more anxious compared to the average

[dense ferry]

This is very true I am always at the verge of exploding

[glass arch]

as someone who thinks this is true

[golden sonnet]

See, on the one hand I have ADHD, so I need drugs to focus, on the other hand I have natural anxiety, and the drugs also give me anxiety, so thinking is like all I do

[lucid flare]

btw is scal triangle arena happening on getfixedboi

[golden sonnet]

I'm minimaxing my anxiety

[gilded scroll]

people think? crazy

[grim tusk]

I remember a doctor once told me:
“Why do smart people worry so much?”

[lucid flare]

did you answer the quesion

[golden sonnet]

I was confused too, is that just the end of the story?

[north oracle]

[golden sonnet]

Wanna hear a jok:
"SCal and Yharon walk into a bar"

[dense locust]

this is quite the jok, but I'm more intrested in a joke, if you have any of those

[golden sonnet]

[dense locust]

probably the opposite

[north oracle]

oh no

[dense locust]

honestly it probably won't be the worst one

[golden sonnet]

GFB exos lock you in a box, Scal doesn't have a box

[dense locust]

this is one one I'm worried about

because my mind immediately comes up with "invisible signus" as the most likely outcome for this description

[golden sonnet]

I really hope it's just completely invisible

[dense locust]

maybe not exo's, but

[north oracle]

at least he's still pretty easy if he telegraphs his teleports

[serene tendon]

I'd be fine with that if they removed his contact damage. Imagine, you're just dodging projectiles and suddenly Signus appears behind you, giving you a very short time to not get stabbed.

[north oracle]

calclone arena oh god no

[fervent orbit]

you know wat guys

to make a sprite invisible

all you need is to make it completely transparent

[serene tendon]

true

@fervent orbit What's wrong with the name? It has "tide" in the name and is sea related. Makes sense to me.

[golden sonnet]

Or inflict it with miracle blight

[dense locust]

I think its funny how most of the gfb descriptions are pretty descriptive/actually give you an idea of what they might do and then theres polterghast

[fervent orbit]

inflict ares with miracle blight

(i swear its a feature not a bug)

[golden sonnet]

yeah, that's what I'm referencing lmao

[fervent orbit]

it having tide in its name is happenstance most likely

[north oracle]

[grim tusk]

Its very funny

Funny

[dense locust]

oh no

[grim tusk]

Theres also the Exo mechs one

HYPNOS IS REAL

[serene tendon]

Happenstance that works

[fervent orbit]

that works and is not very noticable

[fervent orbit]

no its not

[dense locust]

assuming hekate isn't litterally all gfb exo's is?
wuh oh

[grim tusk]

Its on a state of being real and not at the same time

[fervent orbit]

its not

another mech is coming

[grim tusk]

Schcrodinger’s hypnos

[dense locust]

exo pbg

[fervent orbit]

i wont say how or when

or how hekate even works

[grim tusk]

Separate boss

[dense locust]

yeah

[fervent orbit]

(yes i do know how hekate works, no i wont say how i know)

[grim tusk]

Feels a bit unfinished tbh will prob get some polish

[fervent orbit]

good

i felt like it was lacking

[grim tusk]

Decompiling code

[fervent orbit]

shhhh

it was nice playtesting hekate without ur permission

[north oracle]

you and doze knowing how to access code

[fervent orbit]

yes

[golden sonnet]

It's not hard, pretty much needed for crossmodding

[fervent orbit]

yea

[north oracle]

yeah

[fervent orbit]

like my mutated truffle mod wont have been able to happen if i didnt know how to decompile

[north oracle]

it's not hard to do ik

i just can't be assed

i'll wait apparently roughly a week

[dense locust]

wait where'd you hear that

[fervent orbit]

also my mod should be implemented into cal it makes truffle so much better it hurts seeing normal mutated truffle

[golden sonnet]

I do it for figuring out how people do bizzare stuff, I needed it when trying to figure out how to override buffs to make the icon not appear while still having the buff internally so having an unlimited profaned rage buff would disable an unlimited rage buff while neither showed the icon to clog screen

[dense locust]

ah

[north oracle]

yeah

[golden sonnet]

and then they just removed the upgrade potions and all the code went to nothing

[north oracle]

[golden sonnet]

I was in agony. Glad they are gone tho

[fervent orbit]

i think ill wait till tmr for my victide sugg to go into voting before posting my scal arena one

[keen zodiac]

there's nothing necessarily wrong with victide's name tho

it still sounds nice

[swift wharf]

It does

[fervent orbit]

nothing is wrong with daedalus' name

yet its being changed

[swift wharf]

It makes no sense, but I can't really think of something better

[golden sonnet]

there is, daedalus is no longer in lore

[swift wharf]

the stormbow in question

[fervent orbit]

ok so there is something wrong with victide

[bright crag]

^

Though it is a good suggestion

I hope we do find a better name

[golden sonnet]

"Alpha Blue" armor

[glass arch]

Gamma Green armor

[fervent orbit]

chat gpt told me it can be renamed into smthn like "Aqua Armour" or "Tsunami Armour"

[swift wharf]

dear god

[fervent orbit]

no thats silva if silva got deleted from lore

[keen zodiac]

aquarmor

[dense ferry]

Time to

Search

[swift wharf]

redtide armor

[keen zodiac]

xeroc armor

[polar pine]

i mean victide seems pretty fitting to me

victory + tide

you unlock it through a victory

[fervent orbit]

every boss is a victory

[golden sonnet]

"Ocean Hued Clam"

[keen zodiac]

or it could just be victide

[fervent orbit]

asked chat gpt and got some results

[swift wharf]

aeroctory armoe

[keen zodiac]

no

[polar pine]

me when the vicplague armor

nah but victide has a ring

I don't see a need to change it

[fervent orbit]

Oceanic Fury Armor, Poseidon's Might Armor ,Aquatic Tempest Armor, Leviathan's Domain Armor, Stormy Seas Armor, Neptune's Reign Armor, Tsunami Tamer Armor, Sea King's Regalia Armor, Triton's Triumph Armor, Abyssal Wave Armor

[polar pine]

why are they all two words

[bright crag]

Aerospec was shot in a dark alley

[swift wharf]

found dead in miami

[bright crag]

Too lengthy

[fervent orbit]

yes just got my 2nd result for one worded instead

Aquamancer
Typhoon
Mariner
Oceanus
Cyclone
Hydroforce
Waveborn
Stormsworn
Leviathan
Tidewalker

[polar pine]

meh

they feel generic

[bright crag]

The new names are Skyplume Sentinel and Skyplume Sorcerer, for reference

[glass arch]

Ilmerian Armor

[golden sonnet]

hear me out, we call it hydrothermic armor

[swift wharf]

call it the name of amidias kingdom

[polar pine]

yeah but it's sunken sea

not abyss

[golden sonnet]

"Hypoxia Armor", because like, the sunken sea is eutrophic

[bright crag]

Nah

[golden sonnet]

I actually like that

[bright crag]

Too tangential

[polar pine]

isn't hypoxia oxygen deprivation

oh I guess it fits

[golden sonnet]

yes, so is eutrophication

[polar pine]

i would not say it's more fitting than victide

[fervent orbit]

i asked for them to be more related to the sunken sea and this is wat i got

[swift wharf]

Euthropic armor....

[fervent orbit]

Abyssalite
Krakenite
Sunknight
Seawraith
Coralite
Deepdive
Trenchcoat
Sunkenhelm
Brineguard
Seafang

[swift wharf]

FISH armor....

[polar pine]

yes

[fervent orbit]

yes

[swift wharf]

those names are actually good what the fuck

[bright crag]

Coralite is not bad

[polar pine]

trenchcoat

[golden sonnet]

GHOTI armor

[polar pine]

what

[swift wharf]

brineguard

[fossil finch]

victide should be called tideguard actually

[swift wharf]

it is learning....

the TRENCHCOAT tho

[fervent orbit]

wat

[swift wharf]

single piece armor set....

[bright crag]

Coralite and Brineguard are cool

[fossil finch]

trenchcoat is so funny joke

[polar pine]

trenchcoat armor

[fossil finch]

its right we mean

trench.,. coat

[golden sonnet]

So is Ghoti

[polar pine]

oh lmao

is that actually what it's trying to do

[swift wharf]

i dont get ghoti

[fervent orbit]

ok guys im going to make my victide suggestion a bit more specific

its going to be a HUGE change

so watch it

eh?

[golden sonnet]

It is a very very old joke making fun of english that's incredibly stupid, it says that "Ghoti" is pronounced fish

[fossil finch]

watch this gret deni

[fervent orbit]

k ill put my old sugg back

got a rlly good prompt for chatgpt to make names for victide armour, all i have to do is say another one and it just gives me more ideas

uhm

its giving alot of alliteration tho

[errant wren]

ok noob hear me out for like a second
victide
that is all

[lucid flare]

Deadtide armor because the armor is Dead Sea Life colored

[fossil finch]

Deathtide sounds pretty metal

[sage furnace]

damn my problem with the valor not having autoswing led me to use the feral claws with it and apparently they also affect the agility of yoyos in the air for some bizzare reason

[novel belfry]

YES

[ripe owl]

Melee speed boost?

[novel belfry]

IMO the best possible name to replace Victide

[sage furnace]

yeah thats probably it but its surprising that its applied to yoyos like that

[north oracle]

#calamity-mod-talk #help-advice-read-pins

[hybrid steeple]

true !

[swift wharf]

GOOD suggestion

[deft yew]

i sure do love my Silver Axe: The Second: But Objectively Better

[drowsy plank]

the plan already is to replace feller with axe of regrowth once the update drops

[deft yew]

oh

it'll still be nice for people to see the lock reaction, ig

[half imp]

lol

feller was always wild

it's oddly strong for no reason as an axe

not insanely so but also just randomly existed while sliver has an axe too

[wide river]

Just turn Feller into a non-axe and rework it

[deft yew]

is that really necessary though?

like

[wide river]

I'm still fine with removal, I'm just saying that it's not entirely necessary to remove it

[deft yew]

m

[cobalt pewter]

Inferna Cutter should just upgrade off Axe of Regrowth

[half imp]

it wasn't neccessary to remove coldheart or spectre rifle

but there were plenty of good reasons

some of the same ones as shown here about Fellergreen

[cobalt pewter]

that said the reasoning here involves 1.4.4 tmod so I'm not sure

[half imp]

that's not the primary reasoning but yeah it prolly shouldn't say that due to

future item suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

Axe of Regrowth is a strong argument, but shouldn't be used atm

[half imp]

yea

[undone cedar]

Na

Axe of regrowth is helpful and itd be annoying to have to get rid of one to craft it into an item

Wait nvm i forgot what inferna cutter is sry

[crude geode]

[small timber]

inferna cutter is that one true melee weapon that release projectile on true melee hit that have iframe conflict with its own projectile causing it to be unable to hit with the true melee hit therefore loss like 80% of possible DPS

and is only good on worms because that is the one target their true melee can actually hit

[vernal sierra]

i wish you can combine glorious end and art attack

[half imp]

inferna cutter isn't true melee

iirc

[glass arch]

it has an on swing projectile according to the wiki

[small timber]

oh right it is a projectile sword (axe) that have true melee effect, that the projectile have iframe conflict with the true melee part

yeah now I remember how it is even worse than I remembered

[grim tusk]

Why would we add Viscera but ranger?

And I forgor who sent a message on #suggestions-posting

[dense ferry]

@heady timber

[grim tusk]

Please

[glass arch]

because one cannot just use bloodfire bullets

[grim tusk]

!wiki angelic shotgun

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Angelic_Shotgun

[drowsy plank]

oh wait yeah wtf @deft yew you can't use Axe of Regrowth as reasoning that's 1.4.4 stuff

aka future content

[deft yew]

if it's that much of an issue then alright

[worldly basalt]

the next update will be 1.4.4 wont it?

[drowsy plank]

yes that is correct

i wasn't allowed to use 1.4 stuff as reasoning during the port, so the rule remains

there are plenty of suggs that we've discussed in this very chat that are being held for 1.4.4

because That Is Just How It Works

[fossil finch]

Honestly the rule when on ports is very....

Like we're already on port season anyway

And this IS content people have played with already cuz its vanilla

[north oracle]

i mean it's like a week or so, fabsol said that's the timeline now

[fossil finch]

So the rule doesn't

Make a lot of sense for this one thing

[glass arch]

it does tho

because calamity isnt there yet

[north oracle]

the suggestions can wait for that week

[ashen warren]

My doppleganger

[north oracle]

and calamity might be making changes that players aren't aware of

[north oracle]

making suggestions about it pointless

[fossil finch]

ok but unless there's any known calamity plans with (thing) you already fully know how it's gonna affect calamity

[glass arch]

ye you can wait for until the port happens to make sure you arent suggesting something thats already implemented in the port

[fossil finch]

Because unlike unreleased content you have experienced vanilla update content

[ashen warren]

Kinda looks like Chopper

[north oracle]

thing is you don't
there are likely things that haven't even been mentioned yet

[drowsy plank]

i mean the plan was already to replace feller with regrowth anyway so i feel like it is particularly relevant here lol

[fossil finch]

Who the fuck is chopper and how do they look like noelle deltarun

[glass arch]

chopper... why does that make me think of one piece i have no idea i have never watched or read one piece

[fossil finch]

This is why transparency is good when you're having people suggest stuff for next updates

[ashen warren]

Reindeer from one piece

[fossil finch]

Right

[drowsy plank]

also i agree i wish we could know more about stuff like this but it's up to devs to decide when these things are pushed to the public so

not much i can do about that

[swift wharf]

laser, the verb

[golden sonnet]

@heady timber please read the pinned instructions on suggestion dos and don'ts, "because it would be cool" and "I think it's boring" doesn't really work as reasoning to convince the devs why it should be added

[heady timber]

Sorry

I’ll rewrite it

[drowsy plank]

that's just the lunic eye line

[ripe owl]

What does "lasers and heals" even mean

[worldly basalt]

thorium healer ‼️

[drowsy plank]

presumably damages and heals but also. that is still just lunic eye lmao

[ripe owl]

Lunic doesn't heal iirc, it applies Marked

Lemme check actually

[golden sonnet]

Eye of Magnus heals

Lunic doesn't

[ripe owl]

[worldly basalt]

aha, but lunic isn't a gun 😤

[ashen warren]

Lunic eye homes in and applies ichor, right? It also isn't restricted to a class and just has a base damage of like 7 or someth

[ripe owl]

Marked debuff

[ashen warren]

Oh, did it used to apply ichor? Haven't used it in ages

[worldly basalt]

you might be thinking of golden gun

[ripe owl]

It always applied Marked

[ashen warren]

Ah, it would make enemies piss yellow so I assumed it was ichor

[ripe owl]

It uh

[worldly basalt]

purble?

[ripe owl]

It made them purple

[ornate kestrel]

Yeahhhhh

[ripe owl]

Anyway

[ashen warren]

Huh?? I could have sworn it did...

Mb for the mistake then

[ripe owl]

Back to the suggestion

[ashen warren]

I like how he says "Add a gun that lazers and heals" just to go and say the same exact thing except he goes onto add "both at the same time"

[north oracle]

wtf is that sug

[worldly basalt]

wait why are there two winston paynes

[heady timber]

Coincidence

I’m his alt account

[small timber]

fuck I really need to create a SIS copy pasta just like the one for buffing weapon in balance suggestion

[ashen warren]

What 💀

[north oracle]

ikr

3 different people can copy paste it every time

[small timber]

there is this gun called Pearl God already

which still heal a very good amount for large part of the game, at post-ML you have bloodflare core stuff (eg: Bloodboiler)

[ashen warren]

We can both get into a call, he's not an alt

[north oracle]

(it's actually pretty good)

[small timber]

and of course you have bloodflare arrows and bullet which provide healing

ranger is not "lacking" in healing, and we have no reason to need more "laser" gun

[hybrid steeple]

get gaspen in here too while were at it

[small timber]

when laser identity is more mage than ranger

[heady timber]

It’s kind of cool though

[north oracle]

[worldly basalt]

clearly one of you is a sussy impostor

[north oracle]

that
really doesn't matter

[heady timber]

I think it’s a good idea

[north oracle]

ok

[small timber]

(yes, "it will be cool" is unironically one of the direct example provided to not be valid for suggestion)

[heady timber]

I didn’t say it should be added because it’s cool

I’m just saying

It’s cool

[small timber]

I mean we already have a lot of guns, and many laser weapon

[north oracle]

do you have any other reasoning besides

"it's cool"

[worldly basalt]

they should add a weapon that attacks via tangent waves (somehow) it'd be cool

[small timber]

and those laser weapons tend to be mage instead of ranger, and thats about it

[worldly basalt]

isn't there a draedon gun that fires lasers

[small timber]

oh right even aether's whisper is mage now

[north oracle]

yeah

[small timber]

I mean it is also draedon/exo

everything is laser

[north oracle]

or explosion tbf

[heady timber]

I have another reason

[worldly basalt]

but like the single solid laser, not just standard laser projectile

how is that particular kind of laser described

'hitscan'?