suggestions-discussion

[hollow ridge]

Where they hit a move

And can't attack you

:5head:

[golden sonnet]

YO Boogie bomb debuff

let's fucking go

[hollow ridge]

🙏

[golden sonnet]

I wanna see Scal hit a Jig mid fight

totally wouldn't ruin the atmosphere

at least we would have a way to cheer her up, cure her depression with mandatory induced dancing

[hollow ridge]

Argh no! You killed my brothers!!!
Busts a move

[wide river]

Scal proceeds to commit Fortnite Default Dance and give trauma to everyone fighting her

[golden sonnet]

I mean, you could make the same argument about slime gun and sparkle slime baloons being given a combat purpose, or adding stats to fairy boots

[blazing kettle]

you can nake the same argument for slime gun*

[golden sonnet]

sparkle slimes baloons 100% fall under it as well, I can see fairy boots being seen as different, I just meant it's turning a niche item not intended for combat into something that can be used in fights

[blazing kettle]

the slime itens make some sense though since they are flammable, fairy boots make sense as they basically were a missed opprotunity, but confetti simply does not

[drowsy plank]

joy buzzer electricity debuff...,.,., tho fr...,.,. give it to clowns too....

[bright crag]

I feel like that would be a bit hard or otherwise janky to implement

Enemy move speed

[wide river]

If you want enemies to move faster
Just play multiplayer

They'll be going all over the place in no time

[golden sonnet]

It was just an example for something thematic, if I specified exactly what the debuff did it would just be an SIS

[bright crag]

Tru

[north oracle]

Confetti debufffff

I feel like this is going to either completely flop or pick up 300 votes XD

[golden sonnet]

True

[fervent orbit]

someones cooking

[north oracle]

Juicy meats are cooking

[drowsy plank]

what are they cooking

[north oracle]

Well juicy meat obviously

How many suggestion rules is this one going to break

Taking bets

[fervent orbit]

if its another sis

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren wow this sure is a lot of writing for what will be rendered moot when aerialite gets its lore next update

[north oracle]

I think aerialite is getting changed anyway yeah

So this can’t be implemented

[ashen warren]

bruhh i wrote all that for nothing

[random pasture]

Aerialite just got moved to the sky biome

[drowsy plank]

lol

[ashen warren]

but do you see my point

[north oracle]

It makes sense

But it’s already getting changed

[ashen warren]

just give it some thought for next update

[drowsy plank]

yeah which is why they're already addressing it

lol

[north oracle]

They got to this before you im afraid

[fervent orbit]

also molten gets unlocked after evil 1 for no real reason too

[drowsy plank]

it gets unlocked because PickAxe

[ashen warren]

just pretend i had something to do with it lol

[north oracle]

While also being accessible preboss because fishing

[dense locust]

technically its preboss

[ashen warren]

yeah that at least makes sense practically

[drowsy plank]

Reaver Shark

[ashen warren]

rest in peace

[fervent orbit]

lives on in calamity

[dense locust]

if you wanna look at post-evil 1 things that make no sense just look at meteors

[fervent orbit]

true

[ashen warren]

yoo its usable again

[dense locust]

"ah yes, the giant brain is now dead, now meteors can begin to fall from the sky"

[fervent orbit]

same with astral and wof

sometimes unlocks dont need to make sense

[minor spindle]

Maybe the brain was using like telekinesis to hold the meteors at bay idk

[fervent orbit]

calclone and abyss mats

[north oracle]

ML/plantera and dungeon materials

[ashen warren]

i don't really think of it that way, it's more like 'yo i did something cool, oh look there's also something cool happening'

[dense locust]

all of the abyss unlocks being completely unrelated to anything relating to the abyss or even water:

[ashen warren]

the way its implemented is really well done

but for hm and perfs its right after, so there's a direct cause and effect there

[bright crag]

There is a lore explanation for that fact

[ashen warren]

the way this is implemented is also not bad, because it's a matter of strength: 'i die instantly there, oh i beat a cool boss and now i don't die because i got stronger stuff'

[fervent orbit]

wat

[ashen warren]

like redemption

the abandoned lab

[dense locust]

lab is super different

[ashen warren]

elaborate

[swift wharf]

Your honor, tier locking

[bright crag]

.

[swift wharf]

(I don't know the lore reason

[bright crag]

Because it hasn't been given yet

Will be in the Aerialite rework

[drowsy plank]

but yeah if a dev can confirm aerialite is gonna be getting this next update anyway id be cool with them deleting or it just getting flagged or... well i suppose i can just 🔒 it when it reaches voting, yeah?

[swift wharf]

I see

[bright crag]

Suffice to say, evil biomes and Aerialite are polar opposites

[ashen warren]

yes

[bright crag]

Not necessarily next update

[north oracle]

Soon

[bright crag]

Any time between rn and Sunken Sea update

[swift wharf]

I swear there's another emoji for this situation

Reaction*

[drowsy plank]

you get the idea

[dense locust]

lab has the same problems but lab also litterally just breaks if you change how it opperates (unless you make it available post SoI, which isn't a great idea), the only 2 "locks" in this case are one thats pickaxe based (which is fine) and one that, while not really making sense, also doesn't really make sense to do anything else with it

[north oracle]

And no point making a sug about it when it’s getting changed already

[ashen warren]

i am not deleting it because i just want to see it get a vote because i never make vote-worthy suggestions

[bright crag]

Why? It'll get denied in dev :p

[drowsy plank]

im just going to ask a dev to lock it if it gets into voting

[swift wharf]

It is still ❗-worthy then

[bright crag]

Assuming it's accepted it'll just occupy the space of another suggestion that might not be denied

So it's just poor practice

[swift wharf]

Don't give them the pleasure of going into voting

[bright crag]

They aren't breaking any rules

[ashen warren]

NOO

[drowsy plank]

well it isn't invalid, so it would just be locked when it gets into voting but that's annyoing

[bright crag]

Could be a 🔒 maybe

[ashen warren]

exactly

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's what we do with these

[bright crag]

@hollow shell what do you think

[swift wharf]

Hold on lemme check the emojis

[ashen warren]

sorry but i did something like this a couple weeks ago and it was nice so i'm doing it again

[swift wharf]

Oh I swapped them nvm

[ashen warren]

💀

[swift wharf]

Anyways suggestions that are going to be implemented are pretty much always deleted so

[bright crag]

We still gotta follow protocol

Rn I just recommend not submitting it

Depending on what Rover thinks, I'll give it a 🔒

[ashen warren]

yeaa

[north oracle]

It can be accepted into voting to push more suggestions into the top 20%

[half imp]

^^^

[hollow shell]

uhh hm

Wondering if this would be a 🔒 or if it'd actually be a 🛠️

I do not know what the upcoming lore is

[drowsy plank]

🔒 is probably safer for now, because worse case scenario, they just end up being the same instead of conflicting, while if it was 🛠️ and it ends up being different, that'd be confusing

[bright crag]

It will be different

(The suggestion and our plans)

[hollow shell]

Ok I see

🔒 is a #suggestions-voting reaction, won't do anything in posting

[bright crag]

Oh, sorry

[ashen warren]

why is there a 🔒on it in #suggestions-posting

[drowsy plank]

dev put it on but also fr i think we should be able to put them on there in posting!

it would be very useful

[hollow shell]

venus put it then a whitename also reacted it and then venus retracted theirs so it was only the whitename's
and now I removed the whitename's

[ashen warren]

👍

[bright crag]

Thank you

[weak field]

Whitename sounds so racist

[hollow shell]

heh

[glass arch]

oh it was probably me who reacted too

[hollow shell]

nah not you

[glass arch]

coulda sworn i reacted to that

[north oracle]

Who was it

[drowsy plank]

It could be you, it could be me, it could even be-

[lucid flare]

new slur dropped

[atomic shell]

aren’t meld blobs already getting removed

or meld constructs

one of those suggs passed

[random pasture]

Did it?

I didn't see it

[lucid flare]

there's a suggestion from february about removing the meld constructs
it passed but it was rejected

[random pasture]

Huh.

[north oracle]

Damn, that’s weird

It makes sense to do

[random pasture]

Same

I mean I would absolutely prefer a rework if thats the direction they want to go, and if that is why it was rejected then sure

But currently I see no real reason for them both to exist

Literally the only thing you can do with blobs is turn them into constructs. That's it.

[drowsy plank]

i think the plan was to make constructs the brick?

idk

[lucid flare]

like....

for furniture??

[drowsy plank]

yes

and also placeable obvs

[swift wharf]

Would work because of fragments furniture

[lucid flare]

yea

[drowsy plank]

all the other fragments have furniture yeah

[lucid flare]

meld coming up with a furniture set vastly different in style to the other fragments because that's how it is i guess

[random pasture]

I see

But like, that would still be fairly different from constructs as they exist currently

And I feel that until that is done it would be better to make the change now, since if you are making constructs the lunar bricks you would still need to change all the recipes anyway

[lucid flare]

most "ore" materials are like that, just used to craft its "bar"
although meld is unfitting here, being the rogue class counterpart to the lunar fragments

[random pasture]

Yeah its specifically because it is the rogue version of the lunar fragments that it stands out

Plus at least for ore

Its a placeable block

You can use it for building, it isn't just a pure material that exists only to make items out of that is not placeable

[drowsy plank]

im not sure im following but construct bricks being made with stardust seems fine to me, and blobs replace the weapon crafts

[lucid flare]

yea!

[random pasture]

Yes

[lucid flare]

(or just make the meld bricks with normal stone)

[random pasture]

Assuming the speculation is correct, just redo the recipes to be meld now and readd constructs once they are turned into the bricks

You would have to do it anyway once the changes were ready

It would just be cutting bloat out right now while they are in a weird place

[glass arch]

not to shut this down or anything because i 100% agree with it but havent almost all suggestions like this been denied

[drowsy plank]

yes

[lucid flare]

they have;;

[crystal quartz]

around how many votes does something have to have for devs to consider it

[random pasture]

Well, if they remove it then they remove it

I really think they should consider it seeing as there really isn't a logical reason for it to exist even among its own item type

But if they don't want to get rid of it for whatever reason then eh

[glass arch]

top 20% of suggestions in a certain period (i think its a week per period) so it depends on the quality of the suggestions surrounding it

[golden sonnet]

N/A, the top 20% of the week get sent

[swift wharf]

It's around 100-200

[crystal quartz]

slick

so maybe one day midas will pull from safe

and i can finally use it

[glass arch]

its any suggestion older than 7 days and younger than 14 days

so if the sugg is more than 2 weeks old you'll have to resubmit it if it didnt go through

[crystal quartz]

oh its recent i think

[wide river]

You gain so much money that Midas Prime is trivial to use, but I agree it would be good to have that functionality

[random pasture]

It is weird that suggestions are not automatically culled

[drowsy plank]

not if the devs just deny it like they did for coin guns

[crystal quartz]

#suggestions-voting message
is this one ok

[random pasture]

Because suggestions from like 6 months ago will never be looked at but are still left up

[wide river]

That one's good, yea

[crystal quartz]

it does kinda suck that it costs like half a plat per attempt

[glass arch]

it should be fine, probably gonna be in the next group

[crystal quartz]

slick

[lucid flare]

just like my "remove frost barrier" suggestion 😔

i still haven't remade it though

[dense locust]

what does frost barrier even do besides be a auric tesla material

[lucid flare]

you see, this accessory is VERY good

it gives chilled immunity

and it freezes enemies (glacial state) if you get hit

and 4 defense

[north oracle]

Ah yes; there totally isn’t a potion for this

[dense locust]

o damn I thought it was 12

ngl that sounds like a mid prehm accessory that's only being justified for early hm because of glacial state

how long does said glacial state even last

[lucid flare]

up to 2️⃣ seconds

[dense locust]

wonderfull

although tbf 2 seconds is actually pretty long for glacial state

most things seem to be only 0.5-1 second

[lucid flare]

f-barrier is 0.17-2 seconds

[dense locust]

wait hold on aquatic heart litterally has the exact same effect

so it's only "good" quality is outclassed by a pre hm acc

[wide river]

Here's the thing
Aquatic Heart is actually good!

[dense locust]

precisely

[random pasture]

Hey but

Can you make aquatic heart into auric tesla armor?

Hmmm?

[drowsy plank]

aquatic heart when it
when it completely replaces frost barrier

if we made it as such

[lucid flare]

i mean if the devs decided to put it there

[drowsy plank]

you can even keep travelling merchant selling it too

bc it's "exotic" or w/e

[dense locust]

I'd want to know how the traveling merchant got the heart in the first place (and is still alive)

[random pasture]

But ice claspers drop it

[dense locust]

yes

and traveling merchant

[dense ferry]

@neon tree 99% sure this will be implemented next update

[golden sonnet]

the Devs confirmed they plan to make it placeable with rubblemaker

[dense ferry]

Yeah, it's being added

[neon tree]

Hell yeah!

[lucid flare]

anyway chat should i remake my "remove frost barrier" suggestion?

[neon tree]

Cause I plan on placing it in the center of my bace once I run out of uses for it

[dense ferry]

Byeah you can delete your sugg in this case, then

[drowsy plank]

@neon tree ^

[warm rose]

Did I post that right? I am not at all familiar with these systems. Went over the doc and all the rules but I can be rather blind sometimes.

[drowsy plank]

I feel like you're overlooking Forbidden Circlet, and also you bring up Crystal Assassin a lot as a positive example but it's usually considered to be... Pretty Bad

[warm rose]

Hm. Apparently I straight up missed that. Saw it briefly in the crafting menu and straight up thought it was a vanilla vanity item.

[dense locust]

in part because calamity nerfs CA for some reason

[warm rose]

That's a bit embarassing.

[drowsy plank]

Also no mention of things like Fearmonger, the OOA sets, Mollusk, Fathom Swarmer, Astral, etc.

[dense locust]

fathom swarmer?

[drowsy plank]

tbf it DID need nerfs but maybe not that extreme

[swift wharf]

Tbf astral and mollusk are more classless sets

tbf tbf tbf

[drowsy plank]

oh fair

i still consider them "multiclass" bc they're for. every class. but i get your point

[warm rose]

Also: It's been a while since I had the chance to use it (went straight for Frost this time) but Crystal Assassin armor is a personal favorite of mine, I love the free dash and pure damage.

[drowsy plank]

you dont

get that damage

Cal removes the set bonus damage

[north oracle]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

[dense locust]

no really how is fathom swarmer multiclass

[drowsy plank]

it used to be

[warm rose]

did Calamity remove the damage buff and I never noticed

[dense locust]

ah

[swift wharf]

Fathom swarmer was multiclass got damn

[small timber]

Fearmonger is a multiclass (intended to be), omega blue kinda just you cant use stealth rogue

[drowsy plank]

yeah.

[warm rose]

Wiki says it's still around...?

[drowsy plank]

no it's

the one on the right

[warm rose]

...

[lucid flare]

also demonshade & gem tech (although they are kinda all the way at the end)

[warm rose]

................

[drowsy plank]

the one on the left is the old one

[warm rose]

yeah I'm just blind

okay

[small timber]

and it is a stupid nerf yes

[drowsy plank]

it's Pretty Bad now xd

[warm rose]

So uh.

I think that makes my point stronger, in a way, despite my idiocy. :P

[drowsy plank]

Also I was wrong about Fathom Swarmer I was thinking of some other set lmao

[cosmic karma]

it was kinda always bad imo

[drowsy plank]

Prolly

[swift wharf]

Funnily enough I have never seen someone use frost with both melee and ranged

[small timber]

^

also yeah gemtech, and demonshade is planned to be reworked

[warm rose]

Really? It's one of my favorite armor sets.

[swift wharf]

Frost is more of a "this works with two classes"

[small timber]

I think aerialite is also supposed to be reworked into multiclass?

[warm rose]

I love mixing ranger and melee.

[north oracle]

Frost is just kinda bad iirc

[small timber]

or at least like ranged/melee and mage/summoner mixed armor or something

[lucid flare]

[swift wharf]

It's 100% a multiclass set, just pretty rare to see someone using it as multiclass

[lucid flare]

aerialite will be ranged & mage

[swift wharf]

I think that's the old concept

Ya

[small timber]

because it is not really usable as multiclass

the only 2 class you can use multiclass is summoner (obviously) and also normally is mage because sometimes they have those "sentry" type weapon that lingers, like crimson rod

[warm rose]

Anyways yeah I don't personally think classless/utility armor sets fit the same bill as Frost and Forbidden.

[dense locust]

I think other classes could multiclass well you'd just need to engineer an armor or accessory to make the multiclass work

[warm rose]

My goal here is, like I said, something that specifically works with Rogues and also something else.

Or multiple sets to fill it out who knows.

[swift wharf]

Yeah I think the suggestion is valid

[small timber]

iirc those type of effect are supposed to be reserved for demonshade

I heard something about demonshade making ranger able to use stealth (something like that)

[warm rose]

oooooh

[small timber]

so I imagine a unique effect like that will be unlikely to be available earlier into the game (and also is just incredibly hard to be balanced)

[warm rose]

Well, define earlier.

[small timber]

at least for demonshade you can say "fuck it you beat scal here have some power"

demonshade is post-Scal

[swift wharf]

yeah demonsahde will have a rogue ranged set

helmet**

[warm rose]

My apologies, but I have not been very active here, no idea which boss Scal stands for.

[errant bobcat]

Supreme calamitas

[warm rose]

Oh the witch lady.

I think

[errant bobcat]

Would some endgame ranger weapons get stealth strike effects or no?

[swift wharf]

Most likely not

[warm rose]

haven't actually gotten to her yet I will admit, Devourer of Gods wrecked me and I'm still trying to gear up better for that.

Or Yharon, whichever happens first.

[errant bobcat]

I would imagine tyranny’s end with daawnlight and nano tech and demonshade stealth would be ridiculous

[blazing kettle]

isnt cal trying to drift away from multiclass/multuple helmet armors?

[lucid flare]

3 helmet armor, one for melee, one for range and rogue, and another for mage and summon
i'm such a loser i still remember those 😄

[warm rose]

Those are two very different things.

[dense locust]

ngl I kinda wish it was melee and summon that got paired totally not so we can have fearmonger 2: the mongering

[warm rose]

Melee/Summon sounds kinda busted but very fun.

[blazing kettle]

sorry i wasnt clear

[warm rose]

As does Rogue/Summon, come to think of it.

[blazing kettle]

cal is trying to drift away from multiclass in general

[errant bobcat]

Summons with super crits from stealth

[blazing kettle]

why do you thonk wulfrum armor got cut to only summoner?

why do you think they are making aerialite mage/ranger only?

[lucid flare]

they're trying to move away from 5-class helmets because it's cringe

[dense locust]

^

[lucid flare]

while those changes do make it harder to multiclass, i'm pretty sure that multiclassing is not the reason why they're doing that

[blazing kettle]

these mutliclass armors you are usggesting are basically multi-helmet armors mashed into one

like a super armor

[errant bobcat]

Stealth strike universe splitter would be ridiculous

[dense locust]

universe splitter already may as well oneshot just about anything

[lucid flare]

we still do have quite the fair bit of mixed-class armors such as, astral or omega blue

according to the plans i have heard from the devs, exo armor will also be a 1-helmet, all class armor

altho that was a while ago

[blazing kettle]

abd if we wabt to expand the scope a little bit, cal got rud of a lot of multiclass weapons

with only like one or two still existing because donor

[cosmic karma]

aethers whisper

[blazing kettle]

isnt that donor

[errant bobcat]

Wasn’t there a old ranger weapon that could convert to a mage gun

[swift wharf]

aether whisper

[errant bobcat]

Ah that was it?

[blazing kettle]

there was also triactis' paladinian mage hammer of might being melee/rouge

[swift wharf]

was both ranged and mage

that's more of there being two of the same weapon

[golden sonnet]

that was true with like 30 different weapons, but that was two separate items

[blazing kettle]

it used to be both before it split to the seperate varieties

[bright crag]

Nope

One helmet is Ranged, other is Mage

[blazing kettle]

mage has a seperate chestpiece too right

[lucid flare]

hello, developer

hey, is it true that the purging of 5-class armors is because "calamity wants to move away from multiclassing"?

[dense locust]

mollusk (who uses mollusk)
reaver (3 helmets but its really only 2 and also I can't remember the last time I saw someone use it (besides me of course))
astral (ngl half the time I forget this armor even exists)
omega blue
fearmonger
gem tech (nohit momento)
demonshade (endgame so doesnt count)
7 (really only 6) and I'd argue that only 2 of them get used regularly

what was my point?
you think I know myself?

[lucid flare]

what was your point?

[blazing kettle]

wasnt demonshade becoming mage/summober exclusive

[lucid flare]

no

[dense locust]

my point was that I didn't have a point

[blazing kettle]

or was that cut after the dev incident

[lucid flare]

if it was, then it..probably isn't anymore

[novel belfry]

more like, devs don't want to add more of those "armors with 5 classes per helm" thing

[lucid flare]

because the plan was for it to become 3 helmets, 2 of them favoring two classes at once

[lucid flare]

that's what i think but seems like discord user sparkofcourage here thinks that they're doing it to get rid of multiclassing

[bright crag]

Demonshade, iirc, will be
Melee
Ranged + Rogue
Mage + Summoner

[blazing kettle]

ah i got my info wrong

[bright crag]

Hello!
We wanna move away from sets with 5 helmets

[blazing kettle]

yeah this is what i was rrying to say but i got mixed up along the way

[bright crag]

This should help make the path of each class feel more unique, and it also opens the possibility for more armor variety

[novel belfry]

cant blame ya, more often than not i mix things up

[lucid flare]

yea makes sense

you could make like, 2 different armors per tier , yea

like post-dog (although it has 3)

[dense locust]

tbf one of those is a donor (and a really cool one at that)

[grim tusk]

Something something
Devplans.png

[half imp]

Mollusk and Reaver are very very good but niche by design, that's ok

Astral is the meta for mage and melee (no speed) and is used constantly

Omega Blue and demonshade are obviously very common

Fearmonger is BUSTED as heck with the summon penalty removal, same with Forbidden (Helmet)

Forbidden Rogue is bugged and bad

Gemtech is gemtech

[unreal viper]

I use mollusk.

[half imp]

Mollusk is very good

[unreal viper]

Mollusk is actually pretty great with mixed sets.

Or for slow tanks with high dps.

[grim tusk]

Reaver is more of a trade off armor
But it has very solid niches

Heck mobility reaver is extremely good

[half imp]

Yeah that's what I meant

Very very good but niche by design

[grim tusk]

Due to being able to dash faster

[unreal viper]

Reaver sucks because it only works for 3/5 classes. It needs minions and stealth.

[half imp]

Of all Multiclass armors, mollusk, Reaver, and Forbidden (Magic) are the really good ones

[lucid flare]

reaver is actually 0️⃣ class armor

[half imp]

in terms of design

[lucid flare]

wait nvm i see your argument

[grim tusk]

@silent coral
1- completely broke every rule of suggesting
2- you already can, go check the mod’s configs

[silent coral]

Oh

MB

Shh never happened

[lucid flare]

[ripe owl]

What happened

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

isn't the point of the party stuff being completely vanity?

sure they made something outta slime stuff

[blazing kettle]

when you mean every rule, do you mean EVERY rule?!

[cobalt pewter]

every single vanilla party things are meant to be vanity

doesn't seem to compute too much to me to make it a functional effect as well

#suggestions-posting message

also @/thomasthepencil

[blazing kettle]

why did you cut the ping

[glass arch]

who is thomasthepencil

[wide river]

A user

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

also yeah at least meld blob sucks

just make the pillars themselves / deus drop constructs

[glass arch]

deus drops blobs

which is close enough

[cobalt pewter]

oh I meant if blob is removed

[unreal viper]

A guy with a mod.

[cobalt pewter]

nah he doesn't do mod anymore

[swift wharf]

What the fuck

[fossil finch]

He's off living the big dream (making the ascensiongame

[swift wharf]

Oh that's great

[blazing kettle]

does anyone know what this sugg was?

[swift wharf]

move ripper bars

[ripe owl]

Wow, just wow

[blazing kettle]

move as in?

[lucid flare]

move them across the screen

y'know, like you...can do

[ripe owl]

I think it more meant to move them somewhere to a different place on the screen

But, again, configs

[grim tusk]

Most of em*

[drowsy plank]

yeah but!!!! what if!!! joy buzzer electric debuff!!! so items have a use + new electricity debuff!!! just saying!!! it WOULD work!!!!

[small timber]

amalgam kinda exist (for later bosses) but yeah
in general they should just last longer than 4 minutes when other potions last like, 8 easily

[drowsy plank]

you shouldn't have to use a suboptimal accessory just to make sure your potions last the whole fight

lol but fr i know amalgam is better ever since it inherited dodge but it doesnt make what im saying any less true

[weak field]

What if we made potions non consumable

What if we kissed under the luiafk tree

[drowsy plank]

No.

[small timber]

amalgam is not really "suboptimal", it is actually pretty good

[drowsy plank]

yes i was joking

[small timber]

more like it shouldn't be using a specific accessory to fix your problem but yeah

[drowsy plank]

yeah

that's what i said right after the joke

[small timber]

the actual solution is to readd yharim stimulant, make it not stack with all potions but simultatenously have the effect of every single potion, or a specific way to brew it to make sure that you can select the specific potion effect you want and it make the buff last 30 seconds

clearly

[drowsy plank]

[wide river]

Man, every time I look away from Discord, a suggestion just spontaneously appears

[cobalt pewter]

placeable buffs should

be permanent

[small timber]

1.4.4

[drowsy plank]

cake still avoids this tho

and like

i get it but

at least extend the duration man

[small timber]

cake kinda is intentional as a short duration buff (because it is very strong)

just like tipsy

[drowsy plank]

and yet sake exists

[small timber]

even sake is only 4 minute and you get it from travelling merchant
unless you buy 1000 of it you will be using ale which is 2 minute

[drowsy plank]

i bought 2000 of it in early hardmode and still havent run out

money is of no consequence in calamity

actually

all the alcohols are 8 minutes

[small timber]

I dont remember cal changed ale/sake duration

[wide river]

Doesn't look it

[drowsy plank]

dont think they did which is why im adding it lol

[small timber]

and also money is not the problem, the problem is more "when you encounter travelling merchant and have enough money"
if you are preboss buying more than 100 is out of the question, and you can straight up not have a travelling merchant with sake later on

tipsy is unironically better than almost all alcohols now, if not actually all of them

10% melee damage and 10% melee speed is almost an accessory (mech glove: 12/12), especially now that bloody mary is in the dumpster

[drowsy plank]

i understand the argument but i feel like most cal players are gonna get the potions by any means necessary regardless, so i think making them 4 and 8 isn't that bad anyway

[wide river]

The thing that makes Tipsy the best: the +5 fishing power
Become a master fisherman by being drunk

[swift wharf]

I like this suggestion

[north oracle]

It’s got more raw damage increase than everything except everclear right

[drowsy plank]

4 lets ale last most preHM fights, and 8 lets sake last most HM fights

[north oracle]

And everclear has a far larger downside

[small timber]

if the player are gonna get potions effect by any means necessary regardless they can just press autobuff 1 more time in the middle of the fight

[swift wharf]

By making the buffs longer, you don't have to get stacks of them all the time

[drowsy plank]

true!!

[small timber]

rage/wrath/endurance I kinda can understand because they are potion but not alcohols but yeah

[swift wharf]

In theory

[small timber]

tldr: make amalgam double potion duration effect actually comes at a relevant point of progression

surely 4th time is the charm

[drowsy plank]

Surely this time it will pass.

[wide river]

I don't remember about any hotkeys during boss fights that aren't directly next to the direction keys
Quick Buff is among those

[small timber]

unironically last time it did pretty ok, 168 votes

that batch was like 200+ or something, I unironically will just try again

the moment when sulphuric wall suggestion no.N

[drowsy plank]

just like uh

what was that one thing that got suggested all the time but we mostly agreed was actually just a Bad Idea but got added anyway?

i remember there was something like that but idr exactly what it was

[lucid flare]

dash keybind?

[north oracle]

Sooo true

[golden sonnet]

TRUE

[glass arch]

wasnt that mostly agreed to be a good idea

[dense locust]

There are a number of things that fit that description

[drowsy plank]

true

[wide river]

Approximately 10% of any suggestions that get through fall into that category

[lucid flare]

not exactly since it got suggested 84 times and only recently got accepted

[drowsy plank]

potions shops, dash keybind, etc.

[small timber]

dash keybind is understandable

I will not call it bad, but not great either

[wide river]

We need the potion shops to die, but at the moment there isn't much better to replace it with

[lucid flare]

oh what about uhhhhhhhhh turning OFF the base movement speed buff, that was one

[small timber]

dash keybind to me is the same deal as weapon autouse: vanilla should had it to begin with

[north oracle]

That was so dumb

[lucid flare]

it was!!

[wide river]

Oh yeah, the one that was like "I don't like that Calamity Mod modded the game please remove it"

[dense locust]

What’s wrong with the potions being sold exactly?

[drowsy plank]

Everything

[lucid flare]

"erm....this Videogame Modification modified my videogame and now i'm not painfully slow plz fix" 🤓

[wide river]

It completely invalidates herb farming, fishing, and other various ways of obtaining potions

[drowsy plank]

^

cal when it adds blood orbs and potion shops in the same breath

[golden sonnet]

me when I read the vanilla changes wiki page, and realize it's hundreds of changes

[small timber]

ideally you want to "make potion easier to acquire" through better way to farm it, not by adding in AlchemistNPC Lite basically

[north oracle]

Ok
But herb farming and fishing are boring as fuck for most players

[drowsy plank]

people still use alchNPC anyway...

[glass arch]

considering cal had to rework the angler (granted not all fishing but it says something about the state of vanilla fishing) i can see why many might not want to fish

[wide river]

Unfortunately, most alternate ideas to remove the potion shops have been struck down in voting or in dev

[dense locust]

Just like, multiply the prices by like 20

[drowsy plank]

this is why i said we should put more potions in more explorable places like pots and chests! but no one was interested

[wide river]

Like cog's "Turn the wooden armors into herb farming sets"

[drowsy plank]

[wide river]

I liked that idea, personally

[drowsy plank]

I should see if Catalyst is willing to adopt it hmu koolaid

[wide river]

Although, it might be hard to execute
Would it just make every form of herb destruction count as a Staff of Regrowth hit?

[glass arch]

does anyone actually make wooden armor

[wide river]

That's the only way I can think of to improve herb yields from armor

[lucid flare]

we're doing this again chat

[wide river]

It begins

[dense locust]

Does ash wood armor in get fixed boi count

[drowsy plank]

That was one of the ideas, yeah, but I left it pretty open for them to do a TON of stuff with it and then it was unanimously agreed that they were practically joke sets lol

[wide river]

Ash Wood is justified because it has something other than "Haha get 1-2 extra defense"

[drowsy plank]

Wood Armor will never be Real

[swift wharf]

pumpkin armor could easily be a farming armor

[wide river]

I think I made wood armor... a grand total of once.

[glass arch]

no because it actually does something aside from stat stick defense

[swift wharf]

wood sets are too goofy though

[drowsy plank]

10% damage

[small timber]

ninja armor should have "every tree drop +1 wood"

[drowsy plank]

💥

[wide river]

Pumpkin and Cactus armors are essentially just discount wood that does something infinitely better

[swift wharf]

lumber ninja
mobile game name

[glass arch]

you stealth your way around the tree and scare it into dropping more wood

[small timber]

it will still be a buff and make it more useful than current version

of "9% crit 20% movement speed"

[drowsy plank]

I know it's usually agreed upon to not impede on vanilla design for items with defined classes or identities but I never got why Ninja never just got a Rogue stat set slapped on top of it's vanilla design like Gladiator or something lmao

[wide river]

Just turn Ninja back into vanity

[dense locust]

Could be worse for being barely post-boss

[wide river]

Oh, but it could be so, so much better

[small timber]

and also I just realised my buff master ninja gear suggestion never get a response (accepted/denied) so my guess is it is basically denied

tldr MNG users just need to get more copium since a buff will not come anytime soon

[lucid flare]

or maybe even melee like, melee has no armors before desert scourge (which rogue does in the form of snow ruffian)

[drowsy plank]

gonna be honest considering how cool a couple of the wood sets look it sure does suck that they're useless as hell

[wide river]

It will be implemented in 2 years from now when a dev is like "Hmmm this will be a fine addition to the mod" and gives it the green light

[small timber]

the buff will be that MNG now provide 5% movement speed
not the upgrade lines though, they already have MS

[wide river]

Probably a really bad idea to fix dodges: Make the dodge cooldown scale throughout the game

I'm pretty sure that will be no better

[lucid flare]

xpcqe tried that, sugg got denied :lol:

[small timber]

now exactly that idea (or rather that way of implementation), but kinda

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure that the suggestion idea was making earlier dodges have shorter cooldowns

My idea is after killing certain bosses, the cooldown gets longer

[small timber]

very convoluted but at the sametime I am almost certain a "make dodge cooldown lower" or "make dodge cooldown lower in endgame" suggestion will get straight denied no question asked

[lucid flare]

aren't scaling items a total pain though?

[wide river]

I think it's less that they're a pain to make, and more they're a pain to balance, but yeah

The problem with a scaling dodge is that players could just skip the bosses that make it longer, keeping their dodge cooldowns at a minimum

[grim tusk]

Yes I can confirm items that scale are CBT to balance

[wide river]

Makes sense. Dodges are pretty hard to balance as well, but at least just having a fixed cooldown makes it easier, I suppose

[small timber]

oh right shade, what is the status on this suggestion

or basically in permanent limbo now

(I assume denied)

[bright crag]

Wdym useless? They have +1 defense!

[drowsy plank]

[small timber]

but what if they have +2 defense instead

[bright crag]

Omg that'd be so OP

!!!!

[small timber]

it make green slime deal 50% less damage
2 -> 1
it is basically a 50% damage reduction buff

[cobalt pewter]

honestly there's little reason for the additional accs in auric tesla anyways

they're all just ✨ fluff ✨

get rid of Frost Barrier and yeet Carpet off the recipe

[wide river]

That's why we killed Lead Core

[glass arch]

the carpet on auric tesla is SO FUCKING ANNOYING

you wanna slow fall? fuck you! we dont do that here!

[wide river]

Just randomly starting to hover once you run out of flight time messes up movement somewhat, yea

[cobalt pewter]

auric tesla needs to be smashed into pieces with an endgame hammer and be remade into based

[dense locust]

The featherfall potion in question:

[glass arch]

why should i need a potion to do something an accessory should already be doing

[cobalt pewter]

(wings)

[wide river]

Fortunately the armor combining is planned to die, so a rework is likely going to happen once that happens

[glass arch]

bullshit the average player doesnt have wings post yharon

[blazing kettle]

you cant put the genderfluid in a accessory unfortanately

[glass arch]

iirc the only reason auric tesla has carpet is for defiled players and that aint even in the base mod anymore

[wide river]

When the average player is suddenly lapsing into a challenge playthrough

[cobalt pewter]

:questionmark

[dense locust]

Lmao

[glass arch]

It Does Nothing except get in the way of otherwise fluid motion

[wide river]

Just rapidly change genders and have the particle effect repeatedly occurring

[blazing kettle]

whats what being bi is right

[glass arch]

no

bi is being attracted to more than one gender (might just be male/female not sure on the specifics)

[dense locust]

Just remove auric entirely ngl

[cobalt pewter]

bi is attracted to male and female

pan is attracted to everyone

[blazing kettle]

ah damn then what gender is the one where you like both vanilla parties

[glass arch]

HELL no

i aint about to do scal with just silva armor

[cobalt pewter]

auric can be based if it's not trying to super glue parts of the material armors

[glass arch]

or just god slayer armor either

[dense locust]

Just reduce scal and exos damage to compensate

[blazing kettle]

its probably how draedon designed and made the armor

[cobalt pewter]

combinations can work if the end result is mostly unique but still taking nods from the material

[dense locust]

I don’t see the problem here

[cobalt pewter]

not fuckin taking them raw

[desert briar]

Bi is being attracted to male and female (the two "vanilla" genders as you described them)

[wide river]

Terraria players when they have to go more than one boss between an armor upgrade

[glass arch]

nah draedon didnt design auric with mashing 3 other armors into it in mind

[dense locust]

Honestly, post dog bloat wouldn’t be nearly as bad if the majority of the items weren’t just made irrelevant one boss later

[glass arch]

eventually auric'll be changed to be actually unique

[blazing kettle]

so i was right?

[desert briar]

That's one of my main problems tbh

It feels like items that you just got 30 minutes ago immediately become obsolete after you beat another boss

And that goes for 90% of the mod

[glass arch]

*90% of post moon lord

[desert briar]

It happens in hardmode too

[wide river]

If we moved the accessory upgrades to post-Yharon instead of post-DoG, that might be a decent way of fixing it

[glass arch]

to a much lesser extent

[dense locust]

Not really

[glass arch]

yes really

most of the time once you beat a boss you're gonna use the weapons you get from beating said boss

[hybrid steeple]

any genders
as long as it's more than one

[wide river]

It lets us remove the Elysian Tracers and removes some post-DoG bloat

[glass arch]

accessories, on the other hand, typically last longer than one or 2 bosses

[desert briar]

Bi-sexual implies two, because bi means two

[hybrid steeple]

cool

[desert briar]

So bi-sexual is when your attracted to 2 genders

[hybrid steeple]

not what it means though

[dense locust]

Which is exactly why I think they should stay post dog

[hybrid steeple]

the name is a relic from when the binary gender model was universally prevalent in queer spaces and is irrelevant to its current meaning

[glass arch]

that wouldnt fix the horrifying amount of post dog bloat

[desert briar]

We're both right

[golden sonnet]

what did I walk in on

[hybrid steeple]

gay

[wide river]

A talk about the meaning behind the word "bisexual" and talking about moving post-DoG accessories

[glass arch]

at least moving a bunch of post dog accessories to post yharon gets rid of post dog bloat

[desert briar]

There's a separate discussion going on that has absolutely no relevance to the conversation, just ignore it

[blazing kettle]

the calamity discord is a incredible place

[hybrid steeple]

[wide river]

Truly

[blazing kettle]

being able to derail chat after one joke

[glass arch]

main issue with post dog items is the fact that thats where patreon items max tier was

[desert briar]

How did you know

[dense locust]

Honestly, I think moving some to post Yharon and some to post dog might be best, avoids any one part feeling to bloated with acc upgrades

[wide river]

I thought Auric was the max for a little bit
Drataliornus and Dragon Pow, anyhap

[glass arch]

so move some post dog accessories to post yharon as was the idea originally

[blazing kettle]

donor items are one of the biggest issues with cal right now

[dense locust]

The original idea as I heard it was to move them all to post Yharon

[glass arch]

drat isnt a donor item but yes dpow is

[dense locust]

Isn’t gem tech also a donor

[lucid flare]

then you're just taking the issue and Pushing It Over There

[glass arch]

ye

[blazing kettle]

i think that was dedicated

nvm

[wide river]

I think keeping the Asgardian Aegis, Amalgam, and Sponge at post-DoG is fine

[dense locust]

Exactly, albeit post Yharon bloat isn’t as bad as post dog bloat

[glass arch]

though its for lilac so im hesitantly personally considering it lilac's dev item

[lucid flare]

????????but if you that then it....Will be as bad

[glass arch]

what else are you gonna do aside from remove half the items

push it over to That Other Place?

[dense locust]

I’d say add core to that list

[lucid flare]

move them to different tiers, but not thr same one??? idk

[dense locust]

Mostly because one of its effects is nearly useless post Yharon

[glass arch]

post yharon doesnt have nearly as much stuff as post dog

[north oracle]

yeah, definitely keep CotBG pre yharon

[glass arch]

so moving a fraction of the stuff post dog to post yharon starts to balance out the bloat

[lucid flare]

is what i meant

[dense locust]

In this case, moving the class accs and rampart

[glass arch]

???????
you specifically said that it would just be taking the issue and Moving It Over There and how thats worded makes it sound like it would be doing absolutely nothing

[north oracle]

deific just continues being viable for another boss

[wide river]

We've got these accessories at post-DoG at the moment
Asgardian Aegis, Core of the Blood God, Elemental Gauntlet, Elemental Quiver, Ethereal Talisman, Nanotech, Nucleogenesis, Rampart of Deities, The Amalgam, The Sponge, Elysian Tracers, Dimensional Soul Artifact, Statis' Void Sash, Occult Skull Crown, Dark Sun Ring, Eclipse Mirror, and Venerated Locket

[north oracle]

remove tracers

[glass arch]

theres no way to get rid of bloat without a) removing items or b) moving them to other tiers

[lucid flare]

what i meant is that taking ALL the post-dog accessories and making them post-yaron would Move It Over There

not some

[wide river]

The Tracers can definitely die

[glass arch]

DSA should stay post dog

imo

[north oracle]

noone uses DSA unless they want pain

[wide river]

Dimensional Soul Artifact is obviously themed after DoG, it wouldn't make sense to move it to Auric tier

[glass arch]

would it be an Extremely Bad Idea to suggest moving ESA to post cultist instead of moon lord to fit in with all the former future boss summons being behind the boss that became the future boss

[wide river]

Not "Extremely Bad", but perhaps not favourable

[dense locust]

It works except the part where you’d need to remove exodium from its recipe

[glass arch]

replace it with fragments

[dense locust]

True

[glass arch]

the phantoplasm is the real issue

[drowsy plank]

what are we talking about here

[wide river]

Oh wait, I'm not even thinking of the accessories made from Nightmare Fuel, Endothermic Energy, and Darksun Fragments

[lucid flare]

post dog accessory bloat

[glass arch]

Yes™️

[wide river]

I brought up the idea of moving some post-DoG accessories to post-Yharon instead

[drowsy plank]

that does feel a bit like kick the can down the road

[lucid flare]

if its only some of then then it's not as bad i think

[wide river]

The express purpose was to reduce post-DoG bloat by a bit

But yeah, moving all of them would be bad

[glass arch]

endo has no accessories, nightmare fuel has OSC, darksun has DSR and eclipse mirror

[wide river]

Statis' Void Sash wants to know your location

[dense locust]

What’s Osc again

[glass arch]

occult skull crown

[dense locust]

Ah

[drowsy plank]

Y'all wanna see a hot take?

Gimme a minute

[wide river]

Uhhhh
Sure

[glass arch]

oh damn i really did miss that

shows how much i use it

[lucid flare]

put the take in the microwave

[north oracle]

oh no

[glass arch]

does the take have water content

[dense locust]

Ngl I think these can all stay (except void sash move that shit to post signus lmao)

[wide river]

So to add to this list, Statis' Void Sash, Occult Skull Crown, Dark Sun Ring, and Eclipse Mirror

[glass arch]

if the answer is no then keep that shit outta the microwave it will start on fire

[lucid flare]

post-sentinel accessory.....bazed....

[north oracle]

definitely don't put it in if there's metal in it

[glass arch]

DSR could easily be moved to post yharon if you swap the uelibloom in it for auric bars (why does it have uelibloom??????????)

[wide river]

Venerated Locket also exists, for the final post-DoG accessory

[half imp]

well you see

[lucid flare]

why is uelibloom

[half imp]

the sun grows plants

so dsr has plant bar

[glass arch]

uelibloom is a fossil

[half imp]

it's fossilized plant

[lucid flare]

but its tree based

[glass arch]

it is the opposite of based

[half imp]

the plants had to have been not fossilized at some point

[lucid flare]

tree CRINGE material

[wide river]

If an Eclipse was happening would you truly think that plants would be growing well

[dense locust]

No

[lucid flare]

this is terraria we have plants that bloom at night

[wide river]

So therefore we move it to Auric tier

[glass arch]

it was originally auric tier too, wasnt it

[wide river]

Yea

When Yharon unlocked the buffed Eclipse

[glass arch]

well not exactly auric tier but real damn close

[lucid flare]

take the uelibloom out make it just darksun or auric idk

[dense locust]

I believe it was post dark sun which is different

[glass arch]

it still is post dark sun

[dense locust]

Yes

But dark sun was in a different point of progression back then

[wide river]

Final verdict on what post-DoG accessories should be moved?
Let me just get open a WordPad doc to write down your responses

[lucid flare]

my verdict is that yes

[half imp]

i would say uh

maybe DSR

aegis, rampart, sash and each class accessory makes sense to be there

cotbg would die if moved

[dense locust]

Keep dog: core, aegis, sponge, amalgam, osc, dsa,
Move to post yharon: everything else
Void sash: pre dog lmao

[half imp]

nah class accessories should be post dog

[glass arch]

DSR, the class accessories, rampart, and sponge should be moved to post yharon
sash should be moved to post signus imo

[lucid flare]

same as jacob except DSA, you can't do that 😭

[glass arch]

DSA???? i dont got DSA on there

[dense locust]

Dsr is

[glass arch]

i got DSR

[lucid flare]

what

[dense locust]

Dark sun ring

[lucid flare]

oh lol xDd

[half imp]

sash being post signus has an issue being that's prolly too early for it

[lucid flare]

acronyms am i right

[half imp]

it's too good an item

[wide river]

Reading comprehension 100

[glass arch]

tbf

[wide river]

Calamity has too many acronyms

[glass arch]

they're decently close on a keyboard

[dense locust]

A ram is still preferable for the majority of upcoming bosses

[glass arch]

and sometimes muscle memory kicks in (like sometimes i start to type fuck instead of fine)

[half imp]

anyway

[drowsy plank]

here comes my biden blast

[lucid flare]

im not acronym master, i saw jacob type dsr i thought it was a typo

[half imp]

post dog accessories are bloated but none of them feel great to move imo besides DSR

[lucid flare]

got damn

[dense locust]

Rampart

[north oracle]

CotBG ravager drop

[half imp]

rampart should stay post dog

due to it's (light) theming

[wide river]

Rampart is way too good to be put earlier than DoG

[dense locust]

The thing with rampart is that one of its components is still viable by the time you get there

[half imp]

oh

[glass arch]

yeah rampart is way to good to be anywhere earlier

[half imp]

OSC should move

[half imp]

and?

that happens for like

all the accessories lol

[drowsy plank]

man like two people responded to my points lmao

[wide river]

Apparently there was too much hubbub about Rampart

[small timber]

the point is simple, like, this have near 0% chance to pass

[drowsy plank]

Rampart is fine 👍

Oh I'm not making this a suggestion this is just like

If I had control of the mod

[small timber]

I can see occult skull crown (mainly because it is not being considered at all for balancing)

[drowsy plank]

I might try something like this

[small timber]

others, probably not gonna change

[half imp]

ok so issue is

nanotech competes with sheath way too close together

ravager to post dog is still sentis, polter, OD, dog

otherwise i agree with these tbh

[drowsy plank]

Ah right I keep forgetting rogue accessories exist

[glass arch]

elemental accessories being post ml would be much less confusing but at the same time they could rename the ones with elemental in them to not have elemental

[wide river]

Occult Skull Crown and Statis' Void Sash don't really have the power level of a post-DoG accessory, they could probably get put to post-Signus instead

[drowsy plank]

tbf you also get eclipse mirror at the exact same time so

[half imp]

void sash is fine

[wide river]

Buffing them would be a volatile solution

[half imp]

void sash is actually

[small timber]

the thing about moving these accessories to post-Yharon is that you are so stacked with upgrades that it become a post-Yharon upgrade bloat

[drowsy plank]

idk how you use rogue items so idk if those actually compete

[half imp]

quite good

[wide river]

I think Eclipse Mirror is meant to be a stealth counterpart to Nanotech

[small timber]

you already have auric armor at that tier, now you gonna have all the accessories upgrade on post-yharon too

[half imp]

retier eclipse to post yharon with DSR

tbh

[wide river]

Just move it back?

[half imp]

nanotech is broken on stealth and spam tbh

[glass arch]

at first i thought you meant the event and not the accessory

[half imp]

lol

[dense locust]

Core being pre ml is crazy given how good it is

[wide river]

I did too and I was so confused

[half imp]

ravager is being moved to post provi

entirely

that's been confirmed

[dense locust]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

Ravager is post-ML in this theoretical rework

yeah

[dense locust]

Cool

[north oracle]

L

[glass arch]

and in the meantime they could just make cotbg drop post provi

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean i got responses now so im good with it

yeah p much

[half imp]

honestly

rework cotbg

[glass arch]

anyways i have an idea for a suggestion

[wide river]

Core of the Blood God doesn't match the rest of the post-DoG accessories sprite-wise

[half imp]

make cotbg better against being hit often

compared to BFC for being hit not often

imo

[drowsy plank]

Also Nanotech not being able to be moved is fine, just associate it more with like, Nanoblack set and you'll be chill

[half imp]

yea

[small timber]

max hp benefit from being hit often

and I dont think you really want to reward being hit often

[half imp]

just make cotbg like

reduce def dmg a bit

or something

[small timber]

that is like, "if you deal high damage this accessory give you more damage"

[lucid flare]

if dark god sheath being too close to nanotech in this theoretical you could just
Remove it and put the components in nanotech (i actually have no idea which accessory dgSheath goes in)

[half imp]

not reward being hit

but be strong against chain hits in particular

compared to bfc which is busted on spaced hits

[small timber]

I mean do we really want to further nerf defense damage when it is already mostly inconsequential

[wide river]

Making CotBG reward getting hit would just feed into the facetanking playstyle, we added defense damage to counter that

[half imp]

once again

don't reward being hit

lessen the punishment

[small timber]

then literally just giving it DR will be more effective

[half imp]

well

reducing def dmg ONLY benefits it on chain hits

which clearly makes it an opposite to BFC

also

thematically

[wide river]

We got rid of that in the DR purge of a year ago

[half imp]

BFC increases defense damage

an opposite to reduce it and be better on chain hits

kinda makes sense

[small timber]

kinda make sense but it also is a not very great effect, not great as in by design

[dense locust]

Eh, I like core as is tbh, it does things no other acc really does and the synergies it can create are fairly interesting, I like the idea of an acc like the one your describing, but I don’t think core should be changed into that

[small timber]

the accessory is basically planning for the worst case scenario, at that point deific amulet/cross necklace just dump it completely

[half imp]

it stacks with them still

which also increases their synergy

[small timber]

no I dont think it stacks, it in theory stacks but it just is not

[half imp]

anyway it's not meant to be a huge buff

[drowsy plank]

Which of the Summoner accessories are dying again?

[half imp]

just make it a little more a thematic opposite to BFC

[half imp]

only statis blessing

[drowsy plank]

oh i see

[half imp]

wait

curse

[small timber]

majority of the time you get chain hit because you get stucked in an attack, eg: an attack is moving right but you didn't react in time and also move right; it is not often that bosses spam you with mass amount of projectile at the same place (only one come to my head is providence and yharon)

[drowsy plank]

Ok yeah

[wide river]

One of the Statis ones, anyway

[half imp]

blessing is becoming curse

[north oracle]

makes sense

[small timber]

cross necklace give you the "reaction time" for you to get out of an attack, COTBG (assume it reduce defense damage) is to compensate for basically didn't react in time and take rapid damage

[half imp]

anyway

biggest issue with the retier post dog

[drowsy plank]

Why are Curse and Sash on different tiers anyway lmfao

[half imp]

devs have already confirmed plans for most of these

like

[drowsy plank]

oh i see

[wide river]

Because ?????

[half imp]

changing the accessories

not neccessarily retiers

[drowsy plank]

ah

[half imp]

but they have reworks and such planned for talisman/mage accessories and equiver at minimum

[drowsy plank]

Yo btw anyone got

any fucking idea what Nucleogenesis is even supposed to be

[half imp]

Appartus

[wide river]

Sprite-wise?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[half imp]

it's name is just

apparatus

i think it's a backpack

[wide river]

Sideways briefcase

[drowsy plank]

me when im an apparatus 👍

ok so im glad to know no one has any fucking idea just like me

cool

[wide river]

If you rotate it 90 degrees to the left it looks like a bag

[ripe owl]

So true

[half imp]

it's 100% a backpack i think

which is why it's explosion internally is ApparatusExplosion

[dense locust]

So that’s where you store all those spare minions

[wide river]

Shove em in the bag

[half imp]

because like

statis blessing is a

headpiece?

i think?

wait no

it's a scarg

it has equip sprite

[wide river]

It's a scarf, according to the equipped sprite, yeah

[half imp]

same with curse

curse and blessing are scarfs

[wide river]

Least confusing scarf item sprite

[half imp]

you're adding the star-tainted generator to your wearable scarf

making a backpack that contains said generator and scarf magic

[glass arch]

when i look at nucleogenesis i see almost like a futuristic bed from clickbait news articles

[dense locust]

Counter scarf is right there?????

[wide river]

That at least looks like a scarf

[glass arch]

this thing looks a lot like a scarf

[wide river]

Rather than whatever the heck Statis' Curse and Blessing are supposed to be

[dense locust]

Curse I can see as a scarf pretty easily actually

[half imp]

blessing looks like you're holding the matirials in it

[lucid flare]

blessing looks like a ring
(source: my memory)

[drowsy plank]

What if when Blessing takes Curse's place we just turn Curse's sprite into a new accessory

[half imp]

like a jewish phylactery

[glass arch]

yeah curse i can see as a scarf quite easily

[half imp]

is what blessing looks like

but on neck instead of head

[drowsy plank]

yo wait hold the fuck up
one of statis's curse or blessing is dying right

[glass arch]

blessing looks like a really fucked up crown ngl

[wide river]

Side note about Statis' Curse: It's only been nerfed since it's introduction, according to the wiki history section
And it's still too strong

[half imp]

curse is dying

[glass arch]

i thought blessing was dying

[half imp]

no

[drowsy plank]

turn Curse into an Evasion Scarf upgrade

[half imp]

curse is dying

[lucid flare]

minon knockback

[half imp]

blessing is moved to being post cultist or post ml

so basically replacing curse

[half imp]

moved stardust fragments to the bottom of the recipe.
biggest nerf of all time

[wide river]

Yeah, here we are
A source from a dev

#1042197406776827914 message

[wide river]

So true

[half imp]

oh

so it was blessing

same effect

[dense locust]

Where is blessing in progression again

[half imp]

post plantera

well

post golem

(it's post pumpkin moon)

[glass arch]

i was fucking right blessing is dying

[half imp]

yea

[wide river]

Statis' Blessing is an immediate upgrade to Papyrus Scarab
Design choices

[half imp]

so true

and it stacks

so like

???

post golem summoner on it's way to get

4 accessories
2 armors

before doing another boss

[glass arch]

aint plaguebringer armor post pbg

[dense locust]

?

[half imp]

not talking about plague

[glass arch]

whats the other??????????

[half imp]

hydrothermic and spooky

[glass arch]

oh yeah i forgot hydrothermic existed

[dense locust]

Spooky is post plant though

[half imp]

statis blessing, papyrus scarab, necro scroll, star tainted gen

[wide river]

As you should

[half imp]

moons are post golem

[half imp]

in intended progression

[glass arch]

on technicality, its intended post golem

[half imp]

as confirmed by leinfors and put in boss checklist

[wide river]

The moons are intended to be post-Golem, yea

[dense locust]

Wtf

[north oracle]

does that mean if blessing is getting removed, papyrus won't stack with curse anymore?

[half imp]

prolly

[glass arch]

ye

[half imp]

anyway

[north oracle]

phew

[wide river]

It's a classic case of "You can do this now but you should wait until later"

[half imp]

this is the completely opposite way to go of where they should with summoner

less slots is gonna break the slot upgrades way harder

and kill accessory diversity

[wide river]

Adding more slots is going to be worse, though