suggestions-discussion

[graceful walrus]

sad

[cloud karma]

rule 6 😭😭

[glass arch]

if you wanna post a joke sugg just do it in here rather than posting
no guarantee this chat wont tear it to shreds though

[graceful walrus]

Add the "Winds of Annihilation" featuring "Hurricane" "Afterburn Alan" "Mistress" and "Moonriser"

[cloud karma]

as what? a summon weapon? an accessory? a bossfight?

think these things through

[glass arch]

its an mgrr reference what do you think its gonna be

[graceful walrus]

thank you

[cloud karma]

i would think a bossfight but there's a sword called red sun

you never know

[graceful walrus]

Stop Forge

you are literally on call with me, just say these things out loud

[cloud karma]

ok we should probably stop though (i'm pretty sure we're breaking rules right now)

[small timber]

@cloud surge the video need to be smaller than 8mb

(yes it is kind of shitty but it is discord's fault for this one, they limited how big the video can be posted by a bot)

[cloud surge]

damn

its a long video but ill see how compressing it to that small turns out

[small timber]

you can maybe instead use a youtube link I guess

[glass arch]

you can use a link and it works fine

[cloud surge]

gotta delete the message to edit a video in it 🙂

oh nvm

there does that work with the bot?

[glass arch]

yeah

embeds dont have a restriction

[cloud surge]

yippee

[glass arch]

its why i could post, for example, a completely unedited copy of shrek in 4k via a link

[cloud surge]

🦞

[north oracle]

um

sure

[glass arch]

i dont have it dont worry
ive probably seen one somewhere but i sure as hell dont remember it

[cloud surge]

yeah ive seen several entire movies as discord videos

[north oracle]

that's slightly concerning

[glass arch]

a server im in has a pirated copy of puss in boots the last wish in one of the main channels

[north oracle]

but also fucking hilarious

[small timber]

Discord: "by limiting video to 8mb we can effectively prevent bot from posting random video that are way too long and waste our data storage"
Also Discord:

[cloud surge]

I've seen puss in boots, american psycho, rise of gru, and morbius as discord videos

[north oracle]

[cloud surge]

I think to get those links to exist they need to be normal videos first

Probably from being ultra compressed by someone with nitro so the file can be as large as possible

[glass arch]

it depends on the link

many are from pirate websites

[cloud surge]

Ah

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-voting message
just tell them to read the pins in #help-advice-read-pins

[grave zinc]

@fathom aspen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve how Murasama actually land hits on enemies.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@round ravine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it so that the Zenith requires a Cosmic Anvil to be crafted]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unreal saffron - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Daedalus Armor]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@atomic shell - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Luxor’s Gift an actual interaction with True Melee weapons.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give All Boss Spawners with Non-Crafting Obtainment Methods Decrafts or Sell Prices]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[blazing kettle]

wait what since when was this a sugg

[small timber]

I mean

there is not much point for true melee to have a different interaction than just melee weapon on luxor's gift
like most of luxor's gift function on all classes is literally "give 1 more projectile"

[north oracle]

Calcord is not the place to make infernum suggestions

@humble ermine

[unreal saffron]

Less go

[humble ermine]

do they have a seperate discord for infernum?

[small timber]

yes, infernum stuffs is suggested on their channel not here, in fact I am not even sure if calamity can change stuff specifically added by infernum

though I heard they currently are capped (on member count) on infernum discord or something so you will have to find another way for it (eg: messaging a member already in infernum discord or something)

[eternal escarp]

hi

yeah infernum cord is closed now
i can forward this

but please remove the suggestion for this channel 👍

[fervent orbit]

@humble ermine in infernum config, turn on Reduced Graphical Settings

ik smthn alr existed but i wanted to confirm

[worn dagger]

The config already exists..

[fervent orbit]

me when illiterate

[cobalt pewter]

me who joined infernum cord but never played it :

[eternal escarp]

damn i trolled myself!

[fervent orbit]

damn blastnana is gone

[eternal escarp]

what whos gone
seems like you were the fool all along

[cobalt pewter]

true.

[cobalt pewter]

that's someone else no?

[fervent orbit]

yea its blastnana

[humble ermine]

thx

[cloud panther]

everyone just ❗ random posts because that's what gives you feelings of power

[cobalt pewter]

the fuck you on about

[drowsy plank]

people tapping the reacts even though they dont do anything

anyway last batch of suggs was good and i can only imagine luxors tmelee funtionality was denied bc luxor rework real

[swift wharf]

Luxor's gift now summons a fire pillar when you crit with a 10 seconf cooldown

[ripe owl]

On God?

[small timber]

luxor's gift should summon an ice star that deal 15 damage with 30 armor pen unaffected by any damage bonus

[random talon]

Can't wait to have the entire server explain, in polite terms, why I am a dumbass

[small timber]

surprisingly this had not been posted before

despite wall suggestion happening like 5 times a week

[random talon]

fun fact: I tried to place pure Auric ore instead of a brick

[golden sonnet]

Bouncy : )

[random talon]

I regretted my desicion after the Auric ore shot me across the room

Ragdoll physics momen

[undone cedar]

I forgot there was no auric bricks

Yeah its weird to not have them

[half imp]

simply build out of bars

maybe also a building option for "safe" auric ore?

for those who like looks but dont wanna ping pong

[random talon]

try placing a relic on auric bars

[half imp]

simply make a floating relic

[glass arch]

echo block moment

[half imp]

no i mean

floating

teleporter moment

[glass arch]

ah actuated ech blocks

[half imp]

can't place on actuated blocks smh

[undone cedar]

Its so sad i wish you could

[random talon]

This is my throne room

So you can see why placing the relics on echo would look weird

[cobalt pewter]

@left needle heartreach potion essentially makes the healing homing

and if anything rare sand is the least problematic part of hote

[left needle]

yea but

it dissapears before reaching me

[cobalt pewter]

there are more pressing issues on hote than the already good healing acc

it's not a bad sugg per se (okay formatting could be changed)

but it's low priority

I feel

[left needle]

yea it could get buffed but i was just saying cause thats what i noticed

[grim tusk]

@left needle formatting + balance sugg

[left needle]

honestly i dont know what that means

[grim tusk]

Formatting is 🗜️
Your suggestion does not have a title

The ❗ is because this deals with balance

(Yes projectile lifetime counts as balance, see: Grave Grimreaper turning arenas into minefields due to projectile lifetime being too long)

[left needle]

i see

[drowsy plank]

we already got a sugg passed about overhauling HoTE anyway bc it's bad rn 👍

[left needle]

👍

[round ravine]

Should Yharon drop the Dragon Scales upon his defeat or should they stay with the Bandit?

[half imp]

bandit is fine

[round ravine]

Even though you can grind the Devourer of Gods with Yharon's equipment for cash, making it rather easy to get?

[half imp]

yes

the point is killing yharon unlocks it

otherwise the method of obtainment is whatever

actually I'd much rather buy it than have to grind a rare drop

[round ravine]

I swear, it's nearly impossible to think of a good suggestion.

[half imp]

don't force one

wait till you see a genuine issue in the game

then propose a solution

Ie:
Nobody wants to do old ones army, and it's really hard for non-summoner

My proposed solution: remove summon damage penalty during the event so all classes can use the sentries it's designed around

(that then both passed and got implemented)

Or this Auric Brick suggestion right now is another example of a good suggestion

problem: no safe auric building blocks

Solution: add auric bricks

[drowsy plank]

@worldly sparrow ...why?

[worldly sparrow]

why what?

[drowsy plank]

why does AEW need more drops

[worldly sparrow]

it's literally a superboss

[drowsy plank]

no it isnt

it's literally nothing

we dont even have it categorized on the wiki right now

it's like dungeon guardian

[worldly sparrow]

id like to argue it is

[drowsy plank]

it isnt

that isn't up for debate

[worldly sparrow]

since when wasn't it?

[drowsy plank]

the devs had said that AEW is not a superboss

this update

because they realized it was a bad idea

[worldly sparrow]

i am really not up to date

[drowsy plank]

he's like dungeon guardian now, and the fact his trophy (halibut cannon) even does damage is more of a peculiarity than something that should be taken as a pattern

they just needed to put it somewhere after the death of RIVs and Legendaries

[worldly sparrow]

fair

i miss legendaries tho

[drowsy plank]

if you have some other argument as to why (because i think you could argue this, but it would be very hard), go ahead, but you need something more concrete than this to really suggestion something like this

i dont

they still exist

[worldly sparrow]

there's not many

[drowsy plank]

there's as many as there were before

[worldly sparrow]

i was talking about the legendaries+ extension

[drowsy plank]

oh lmfao

okay yeah ive never used it

regardless the AEW sugg is probably invalid so unless you just want to wait for a dev to come ❗ it you can either revise it or just delete it

[worldly sparrow]

ahead of you with that one

[drowsy plank]

oh lol

[wide river]

Right. Regarding a discussion from some time ago, is it time for Biofusillade to be reworked?
If not, then I'll just suggest to rework The Storm instead

[drowsy plank]

i feel like the devs prolly know biofusillade is shit

implementation wise i mean obvs

[wide river]

Gameplay-wise it uhhhh
It's good to say the least

I'll probably do The Storm, just to be safe.
Considering that the two weapons it upgrades into have almost nothing to do with it at the moment

...I'm now wondering if this should go in #1042197406776827914 instead of Suggestions

[drowsy plank]

sounds like it tbh

[wide river]

I'll do that, because my main argument was "It's bad", which doesn't hold up in suggestions too well anymore

[dense ferry]

Is Wulfrum Acrobatics Pack disabling Smart Cursor a bug or what?

[wide river]

I think it may be, I'm not certain

I've seen it happen with controllers only, keyboards don't seem to do anything

[dense ferry]

It happens with me

And I use a keyboard?

[drowsy plank]

your keyboard is simply a controller

[wide river]

I've never had that happen, strange

[round ravine]

Should Rogues have a furniture item that grants them a special buff or are they fine as is?

[drowsy plank]

one sec

[half imp]

Already been approved

[drowsy plank]

@round ravine

[round ravine]

Oh, really? Damn, I was going to suggest it myself, but if someone beat me to the punch, then I'll think of something else.

Thanks for letting me know, by the way.

[fossil finch]

rogue buff station should be bandit president for 2040

[unreal saffron]

wtf is that sugg

the entire point of the coins is to be shot. they dont deal the damage

@safe prism

[safe prism]

i mean i'm not putting it there expecting it to be added or anything like some entitled idiot

[north oracle]

@safe prism you're going to need significantly better reasoning than it would be a cool reference and the weapon's weak

[safe prism]

alright, fair point

[north oracle]

refernce suggestions are explicitly forbidden

so you need to remove all of that

[unreal saffron]

zest explain your reasoning

[half imp]

ok this is a really cool idea but yeah reasoning is not strong

[north oracle]

it's also an extremely specific thing to be added that would either be totally useless or op, and would be incredibly difficult to use properly

it's actually a pretty cool idea tho

[half imp]

marksman blade when

[blazing kettle]

i dont get thsi sugg

[north oracle]

[blazing kettle]

why have true melee support, for a ranged weapon

[half imp]

because hammer time funni

[safe prism]

the problem is, i'm not good at putting my thoughts into words or formulating those thoughts to begin with

[north oracle]

yeah, that's another issue
that makes this exclusively a multiclass option, and calamity strongly encourages you to play one class

[safe prism]

classless weapons

[half imp]

multiclassing isn't an issue imo

Multiclass armor

[north oracle]

yeah

[unreal saffron]

ok, what i am getting is that you think that the weapon is outclassed to early. it literally isnt. marksman rounds are useful for the rest of the game, and even get a buff with the dawnlight spirit origin, getting a bullseye every time. ur sugg is a coin gun with extra steps

[half imp]

demonshade is literally going to explicitly strengthen multiclass

When it's reworked

[north oracle]

thank god

there aren't really many sets or options that make multiclass viable sadly, it would be cool if there were

[safe prism]

you make a fair point actually

my sugg is gone

[unreal saffron]

ngl it is a cool idea, but it has no substance to it

[safe prism]

yeah

without that whole thing of being outclassed when you use it on its own it becomes purely a reference sugg sooo

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanyewest-yeezy-meme-gif-22503154

[unreal saffron]

although, the fact that you cant get the marksman rounds pre hm, makes me think that there should be a pre hm variant.

[north oracle]

they were broken enough on addition in hardmode

and there aren't many sniper type wweapons that would benifit anyway

[grim tusk]

Aproved and in dev limbo

Waiting for:
Stealth rework
Someone coding it
Someone spriting it

[north oracle]

...stealth rework? how had i missed this

[random pasture]

Every other class gets one, makes sense rogue would

[grim tusk]

Third iteration is the charm

[half imp]

(no it won't be)

I refuse to believe stealth will ever be done

Can't wait for stealth v50

[north oracle]

stealth will constantly be updated

[soft quest]

not a suggestion, but can any tester please tell me the gear is typically used against scal melee when testing?

[north oracle]

there is a #1042197406776827914 thread

[soft quest]

thanks

[fervent orbit]

i just posted the link if you want to view the entire doc about testing rules n stuff

[crude geode]

Stealth requires a rework every 6 months or it gets cranky

[crude geode]

Literally

[grim tusk]

Stealth v3 is also its death

[drowsy plank]

because it's finally becoming Focus or?

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

i mean i heard a dev actually mention Focus which i also thought was funny considering how long it's been in limbo

and if stealth was dying i mean

[crude geode]

I have also heard a dev mention it and how unlikely it was

[grim tusk]

Yes

[crude geode]

Damn

I blame The Incident for this

[grim tusk]

Focus will prob start being created from stealth’s current form sometime during 1.4.4 porting

[wide river]

Focus Strike Damage inbound

[fossil finch]

at feedza do you want to rework stealth agai

[hollow shell]

(Yharim's Gift sugg is good btw if I haven't mentioned it already
What a dreadful accessory)

[wide river]

I sincerely hope it passes, although the last few "Rework this" suggestions haven't been doing very well

Source: my Flak Kraken suggestion

[grim tusk]

Yea we’ve also been looking to rework some items as well

[north oracle]

yeah, cognitive wrote that but was capped on suggestions for the day
it really needs doing though, hopefully it happens even if the suggestion doesn't go through

[grim tusk]

Im currently reworking a gun

[fervent orbit]

just redo all of rogue

[grim tusk]

SOON:TM:

[fervent orbit]

its uhm

™️

[wide river]

I have a list of things that should be reworked if you want
It's mostly just obscure stuff

[fervent orbit]

in small letters

[grim tusk]

WHEN TIME COMES ™️

[north oracle]

i anxiously await the day when stealth is changed

[hollow shell]

[note it includes 90% of the items in the mod]

[fervent orbit]

i await the day when rogue isnt just so accessory heavy

[north oracle]

[grim tusk]

Thats the fun of it wot

[drowsy plank]

👀
considering what happened with hydra (i love new hydra) i really cant wait to see some of the new reworks coming in the port

[north oracle]

hydra is pretty cool now yeah

[fervent orbit]

i forgot hydra got changed

[wide river]

It does feel like that, doesn't it
About like 20 something weapons per class are ever not obscure

And don't get me started on armor sets

[fervent orbit]

im bored

[crude geode]

Yharim’s Crystal when it’s Last Prism 2

[north oracle]

last prism 3

dark spark is last prism 2

[wide river]

Dark Spark

[grim tusk]

Funnily enough I was gonna rework Deific thunderbolt first to follow what I did for Stormfront Razor but I found motivation elsewhere for another item in

• Other games
• Music

[fervent orbit]

me when it gets infinitely better when using chaos stone

[grim tusk]

[fervent orbit]

(nearly gets a 3 minute kill time on exos in testing which is not ok but its mage so its completely fine actually)

[wide river]

Time to pull up my "Why hasn't this been reworked yet" doc

[crude geode]

Dark Spark at least has some different function

[drowsy plank]

i love getting inspiration from other sources and then everything just flows super smoothly, the best part of the creative cycle

[crude geode]

Besides a color change

[drowsy plank]

hey, be happy we finally got necro to stop being a stat stick!

[crude geode]

it’s also a touhou reference so it’s automatically better than Yharim’s Last Prism

[wide river]

That still won't stop people from not using it

[north oracle]

i dislike it for no reason yeah

[crude geode]

Yharim’s Crystal’s only difference is some hex colors and a sprite it does NOT deserve

[fervent orbit]

why does desert prowler even exist again

[crude geode]

More armor sets = better

[random pasture]

Early game ranger set

[fervent orbit]

but fossil alr fulfilled that role

[crude geode]

Now fulfills that role*

[random pasture]

It used to be the funny throwing set

[hollow shell]

I'll take a one-class armor over another five-class armor

[random pasture]

And then got changed

So now the two overlap

[fervent orbit]

yea it used to

but throwing has been deleted

im surprised desert prowler wasnt deleted during port

for being useless

[hollow shell]

Desert Fossil also used to not be as early game

then

So yeah it really just, yanked Desert Prowler's role away from it

[random pasture]

Tbh desert is much cooler than fossil anyway

[north oracle]

^

[random pasture]

Delete fossil armor smile

[fervent orbit]

this is why i specified during the port

[wide river]

Here's the doc I was talking about

[hollow shell]

And it's a shame because Fossil Armor is ridiculously boring.

Like holy shit it's bad

[fervent orbit]

its got like

8 crit and 5 dmg lo

[hollow shell]

Looks cool. But it's just stats. Shameful for an armor added in 1.3

[fervent orbit]

and the set bonus lol

[crude geode]

It’s a vanilla armor set pre-hm Whaddya expect

[fervent orbit]

true

[random pasture]

Desert prowler should exist even with the overlap simply for being cooler tbh tbh

[fervent orbit]

rework fossil

[hollow shell]

At least Cactus Armor finally got a real thorns effect..

[wide river]

Jungle is good
Molten is somewhat ok
The rest are just stat sticks, pretty much

[random pasture]

Plus it wouldn't be the first time a class has overlapping armor sets

[fervent orbit]

make fossil beneficial to faster shooting weapons so it is a counterpart to desert prowler

[random pasture]

Make fossil a melee set instead

[wide river]

When the changing vanilla armors

[fervent orbit]

dear god no

wait doesnt

arent gold/plat just

better than fossil?

[wide river]

I think even copper can be better in some cases

[random pasture]

Fossil is just actually garbage

[fervent orbit]

ok but copper does flat dmg

which is not ok

[random pasture]

So does desert prowler

[wide river]

When the 1 extra damage

[glass arch]

"1 extra damage cant hurt" <-- statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[north oracle]

[wide river]

So true

[north oracle]

plaguebringer armour suddenly making belladonna viable on cultist with a casual +20 damage

[wide river]

Dear god not again

[fervent orbit]

me when belladonna doesnt shoot a shotgun of bullets anymore:

[north oracle]

sadness

i miss funny broken belladonna

[wide river]

I know a way you can have that again
Mod the game

[north oracle]

@ dozezoze

[fervent orbit]

i love how a small change that most likely not many people will use is the highest voted on sugg this period

[glass arch]

could say the same thing about the highest voted sugg

[wide river]

Which one, the Drunk Princess plate suggestion?

Because if so, you are incorrect

[north oracle]

i will use that all the time

[wide river]

If you scroll up a little bit from there, then you'll see the true highest suggestion

[fervent orbit]

shush

[undone cedar]

That makes sense though

They’re less controversial, clearly positive at a glance

[wide river]

The ones that are simplest are somehow always the ones that get the most votes, not the ones that might substantially benefit the mod, just the ones that might help one person with aesthetics

[north oracle]

of course

nothing that would significantly change the mod could ever come from this

[undone cedar]

Theyre nice to have and appealing with a quick read through, of course they get votes

[fervent orbit]

yes

which is why my one has so many votes

[undone cedar]

Yeah

Stuff that majorly benefits means more large changes and more thought in them which is gonna mean less votes

[fervent orbit]

gonna make a suggestion to make me dev, clearly its positive so no one can disagree

[half imp]

for the record

[north oracle]

based

[half imp]

I'm not bringing back old belladonna

I hated that weapon

[north oracle]

damn it

[fervent orbit]

[north oracle]

i loved it

[wide river]

That one is too broken for your standards, I assume

[fervent orbit]

hey doze can u teach me how to make a summon weapon

[north oracle]

[half imp]

step 1

make a minion

Arep w

[wide river]

Step 2
Code it in

[half imp]

Make the weapon shoot minion

[fervent orbit]

just no particular reason just wanted to know totally not specific to this conversation

[north oracle]

yeah, no reason at all
i just need to know the exact process, the code i should use, and excatly how I would add belladonna back into the game

[half imp]

well in theory

you wouldn't bc it sucked

[fervent orbit]

just gonna steal the code

jk im not an arse

[half imp]

Belladonna was like Necrosteocytes but less funny

[north oracle]

i'd say a random preboss summon being insane on literally 1 late hardmode boss was pretty funny

[half imp]

I bet Necrosteocytes are good on cultist

[north oracle]

you'd have to posistion his teleports well

[random pasture]

Remember when scourge shorts words were randomly just

Ridiculously broken

To the point where the AS one was actually able to melt polter

[wide river]

And now they are subpar

[glass arch]

shortsword more like shitsword

[swift wharf]

not to be confused with the jeans words

[half imp]

Or the skirtswords

[wide river]

Kiltswords

[novel belfry]

jacketblades

[worldly basalt]

i think you misunderstood the point of these channels @bright coyote

[worthy lintel]

yea huh

[blazing kettle]

thats

the uh

[worthy lintel]

did you even read at all the description

jesus

[blazing kettle]

first time i have seen somebody misunderstand that channel as much as this

[bright coyote]

mb i meant to put it in gen media

[blazing kettle]

its good

[worthy lintel]

thumby

[bright coyote]

mb

[ripe owl]

What happened here

[blazing kettle]

s9mebody accidentally posted their build in posting asking for tips

[ripe owl]

[north oracle]

I’m not entirely clear how you’d go about checking that the sunken sea lab generated properly, given that if the check was easy to do it could just be run during Worldgen

[ripe owl]

True

[hollow idol]

(shill

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2951815963

[ripe owl]

Based!

[north oracle]

[drowsy plank]

@gentle hound

[ripe owl]

Ozzy take your meds

[hearty yew]

IM BAD AT THIS

thanks for being there for me

[ripe owl]

You're welcome

[hollow shell]

"᠎is elemental shiv omegachungus on providence"
immortalized
brilliant phrasing I may start using that

[distant gyro]

truly a ballfart city

[gentle hound]

thanks for telling me about this
it's not exactly what I meant, but it definitely would help to fix a world that was past worldgen

[gentle hound]

I'm not clear on the details, but other mods do have items that perform this function, so it is possible to do at least

[north oracle]

truly omegachungus

[north oracle]

out of interest, what other mods? and do these structures have unique blocks that don't generate elsewhere in the world?

[gentle hound]

iirc secrets of the shadows and another I forget
I would guess so but I haven't played through it yet to be sure

[north oracle]

i ask because the method I'd use to check that sort of thing would be to look for a block that only forms in the structure and see if it's there
it's probably not the way that's actually done, but it's my instinct lol

[desert briar]

I remember a mod I played one time having a feature like this, but I can't remember which mod it was

It might've been thorium

[north oracle]

so i'm really bad at typing suggestions but sea's searing should benifit from the gun shroomite helmet
Even though it doesn't consume a bullet as ammo, it looks and behaves exactly like other guns. this isn't going to cause significant balance issues as searing falls off before then anyway, and it does bother me that it just gets lumped into the same category as other different types of ranger weapons like rocket launchers

[small timber]

there is no need for

1.4.4 changes shroomite, the 3rd variant of shroomite works on "anything that is not a gun (that use gun ammo) or bow (anything that use arrow)"

aka: the 3rd variant of shroomite works on rocket launchers, flame thrower, and whatever random weapon that don't even use ammo (because it work on "everything else")

[unreal saffron]

@vernal moat they spawn in crags?

[glass arch]

i think if its in the underworld layer they spawn

[vernal moat]

yeah

[unreal saffron]

Ngl a sugg needs more justification other than i keep dying

Just saying

[vernal moat]

profaned enemies don't fit the theme of the brimstone biome as a whole

[unreal saffron]

Then put that in the sugg

Nice

[half imp]

other thing is uh

ravager exists

this suggestion uses bloodstone as the argument but it's literally so inefficient to farm bloodstone in crags anyway

also the cultist things that drop bloodstone in dungeon

[unreal saffron]

Oh, yeah

[hybrid steeple]

make auric bricks but have them reject anything that isnt wearing auric tesla

[half imp]

have them do nothing unless you wear tesla

then it'll auric accept you

and buff you

[lament shore]

do you guys think I should make a suggestion that says "hey we should be able to get ancient cloth easier right now it sucks"

10% from ghouls is kinda tedious imo

and on top I need 5 for arid artifact

[crude geode]

Doesn’t earth ele still drop arid artifact

[lament shore]

wait really?

hold on

[wide river]

He doesn't

[crude geode]

Damn

[wide river]

He used to but now it's crafted

[crude geode]

He really doesn’t have a reason to exist anymore

[lament shore]

yeah he doesn't

that being said should I?

[crude geode]

Cuz I was gonna say just ask for a guaranteed pyramid with magic carpet if you really hate grinding for it

Byeah sounds alright

[lament shore]

waiting for a sandstorm to randomly occur pre-plantera is like watching paint dry

alright should think of a way to get them realistically and balanced

[wide river]

It's used in this at the moment

Four items, with a total of 17 cloth

[lament shore]

arid artifact itself covers a lot of uses imo

for example forbidden fragment from sand elemental

really useful for mage and summoners

[golden sonnet]

Alternatively, include arid artifact in the desert shrine

[wide river]

Provided you get each piece of Ancient Cloth at a 10% chance, at most you should realistically need to kill 170 Ghouls to get them all

[crude geode]

You’re still gonna need multiple

[lament shore]

which is tedious

[wide river]

But that's provided the player doesn't get unlucky or too lucky

[lament shore]

ghouls aren't that common even with battle potions

or other spawn multiplier buffs

[golden sonnet]

Or include enough cloth for it, but just the artifact itself in the shrine would fix the issue

[wide river]

I've noticed that, they seem to get overridden by the Scorpions or the Lamias
Another thought would be increase the spawn rate of the Ghouls, but that could lead to everything else not spawning

[lament shore]

arid artifact is supposed to be hardmode though, putting a hardmode item at a pre-boss accessable place kinda feels disappointing

[golden sonnet]

There is no reason for arid artifact to be hardmode locked though

[crude geode]

I really like how we removed ancient cloth from magic carpet cuz it was a pain to get
and then we made arid artifact require it

[lament shore]

yeah good point

[wide river]

True!

[golden sonnet]

You can make cloth obtainable preHM too in some way otherwise, nothing it's used in can be made pre hm anyway except vanity

[lament shore]

torrential tear is obtainable prehm why not arid artifact as well

or caustic tear

[wide river]

Just make it craftable with Silk and Sandstone Blocks
Problem Solved

Ancient Cloth is just a recolor of Silk as is, it's not like it wouldn't make sense

[lament shore]

why not make ancient cloth drop from fossils from extractinators

it makes sense and adds a reason to use extractinators

[wide river]

That could work, yea

[drowsy plank]

i feel like ancient cloth should just be more obtainable
putting it into the shrine is just putting a bandaid on a gaping wound
making desert mats more obtainable and easier to get would allow them to be used in more items which reincentivizes going to the desert which is also why we should move perennial to the desert yeah baby it always comes back to that it's just that easy

[fossil finch]

youd be surprised how easy it is to do this with nearly everything out there

if you hypothetically wanted to read funny frozen bars that achieved nothing, you could tie them into the whole wall of bronze old boss idea that froze hell and youd be making a good argument

not that anyone would add that

but it'd be a good argument

if you need more content, which of course, calamity does not

[distant gyro]

mmm yeah I think it's fine

vanilla's vanity and building stuffs are for some reason ungodly grindy

ancient cloth is one of them

[drowsy plank]

why tf is arid made with cloth instead of desert fossils anyway
and why is arid locked behind fucking T2 mechs

[blazing kettle]

seeing the original ideas and story for calamity seemee way too grand of scale for a terraria mod, but i gotta give points for originality in those ideas and hope one day they can be used in one way or another

[drowsy plank]

terraria community wondering why no one builds and also 1% drop vanity and building items

[distant gyro]

because forbidden armor is behind adamantite

and then everything associated shifted upwards

for the 2 people who wanted sandstorms for RSE, well idk fuck

[blazing kettle]

RSE?

[distant gyro]

Rare Sand Elem

[blazing kettle]

ah

[wide river]

Rascendant Spirit Essence

[distant gyro]

so true

[distant gyro]

spending 30 stardust fragments for armor set worth of stardust dyes

[drowsy plank]

💥

[distant gyro]

or 15 luminite bars for void dye

most worth investment

(void dye doesnt even look that good

[cobalt pewter]

the discrimination is because magic carpet is used in auric tesla (obviously)

wait where's my reply

discord god DAMNIT

[drowsy plank]

locking arid to hardmode feels like if torrential tear was hardmode locked too bc the only relevant rain drops are in hardmode lmao

[distant gyro]

rain in phm is clearly valuable for rain coat set

[golden sonnet]

Minor thing, but I would just use "easier" as "more easier" sounds weird

[drowsy plank]

i think the defense on rain set should be removed :)

[golden sonnet]

"more easy" would work, but also doesn't sound as good as just "easier"

[lament shore]

yeah English isn't my main language thanks for pointing that out

[wide river]

Return to the old console version of Rain set and Ninja set

Back when they were both vanity sets

[drowsy plank]

ninja being vanity explains

so much

[golden sonnet]

No worries, one other thing I noticed is in the last sentence you said "Sans Sharknado staff"

You're gonna have a bad time

[wide river]

Objectively that's a way better name

[swift wharf]

just make it drop from mummies

they're literally made out of it

[lament shore]

I will NOT fix it

[crude geode]

True

[lament shore]

been reliving my undertale phase these days

my muscle memory did it

[lament shore]

true

why do ghouls drop them anyways

do they even have cloth in their bodies

can't see some in none of these

[wide river]

Clearly it's the head

[golden sonnet]

Those men naked

[round ravine]

Anybody think the Universal Genesis looks like an Exo weapon (even though it's crafted before you can get an Exo weapon)?

[small timber]

kind of but at the sametime

though next patch they will be drastically different

since this is their (completed?) sprite next patch

(it is still similar in colour scheme but drastically different in "style")

[drowsy plank]

furthermore a sprite aint much of a reason to retier an item if that was the implication

[small timber]

it also is donor so yeah

[round ravine]

Actually, I was thinking they should resprite it, but since the Exo weapons are getting that kind of treatment, I guess that makes another suggestion of mine completely binned.

[golden sonnet]

Donor items can't really be touched anyway

If it looks like that it's because the donor wanted it to look like that, so it isn't going to change

[small timber]

you can but at the sametime universal genesis is really not an amazing weapon against scal

like, to put it simply I will rather exo/scal tier weapon get moved down so they have more use against more bosses than a weapon get tiered up so it can only be used on less bosses

[glass arch]

isnt universal genesis yharon tier

[small timber]

postDoG tier

[swift wharf]

it's a donor item who cares

[frosty trellis]

See
I would agree with that
If it was any tier but post dog ranger because that tier has 20 fucking weapons

Move bloat from one tier so a different tier is more fleshed out

[drowsy plank]

Before anyone asks I did get permission from BlackHand to suggest this 👍

[glass arch]

id mention that in the sugg at the bottom

[drowsy plank]

i suppose i can but i only really need to mention it in here, and it doesnt really add anything to it once it gets into voting but sure

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide river]

If someone somehow knows that you need a donor's permission to change weapons but also not have read this chat then I am impressed

[swift wharf]

true suggestion

[drowsy plank]

so true

[lucid flare]

very

[grim tusk]

@drowsy plank nice suggestion
One small issue
Nadir is donor

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's

why i asked the donor

[lucid flare]

[grim tusk]

Oh where?

[drowsy plank]

oh in dms

i can screenshot if need be

[lucid flare]

here

[drowsy plank]

i asked rover for their tag last night

and you can ping them here if you want to confirm

[grim tusk]

Alr exclam removed

[drowsy plank]

danka

[lucid flare]

i am also opposed to the ultimate item bloat that is post-dog
makes skipping him one of, if not the most crippling move to do in a playthrough

[wide river]

Please kill the combo accessories

[drowsy plank]

cosmic anvil, every single good accessory, 700 weapons

[grim tusk]

We do need more shotguns

[drowsy plank]

👀

[wide river]

Shotguns are kinda just dead after Moon Lord, aren't they

[drowsy plank]

Angellic

i dont think onyxia counts tho... so. just angellic ig

[wide river]

I don't think one shotgun after Moon Lord immediately revives the subclass but ok

[cosmic karma]

that one weapon you craft from storm weaver shells is a shotgun technically right

[wide river]

Corinth Prime, you mean?

[neat linden]

it's not really a subclass b'yeah

i wouldn't mind more shotguns personally

[cosmic karma]

yeah corinth

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah so there's like

about one per tier

angellic for provi, corinth for like. polter, UG for DoG... and that's it

[grim tusk]

Onyx chain, Angelic, the star one, Universal genesis, Onyxia (kinda), Dragons breath
post-Polt get nothing
Dev has swaventehnical

[drowsy plank]

ok so we do count the Onyx line

wasnt sure

[wide river]

I guess Dragon's Breath kinda can be a shotgun if you're really lax with the definition of "shotgun"

[grim tusk]

Oh yea that thing got reworked into one

[swift wharf]

shotgun subclass

[neat linden]

UG for DoG when you can't get it pre DoG

[drowsy plank]

yknow an Onyx themed shotgun ranged accessory would be pretty cool..,.,.. just saying..,.,.,.

[swift wharf]

kill point blank damage and add damage falloff for shotguns

😈

[drowsy plank]

angellic uses post-Provi mats, i meant post-tiers

[grim tusk]

That would be pointless

[neat linden]

that sounded more like 'x for y boss'

[grim tusk]

As other guns rarely benefit from point blank lol

[neat linden]

from the wording

[drowsy plank]

whoops

[swift wharf]

that is the point

[grim tusk]

Shotguns are the main winner

[swift wharf]

whats the point of other weapons having it if it does nothing

[grim tusk]

Angelic is very cracked and actually extremely good on OD, maybe DoG

[wide river]

High Velocity Bullets when they can get point blank damage from like 20 blocks away

[grim tusk]

To encourage aggressive play

[swift wharf]

and damage falloff is the opposite of point blank damage

[grim tusk]

Oh right those fucks

[swift wharf]

you lose damage the longer the distance

[swift wharf]

blame pb's formula lmao

[grim tusk]

Pre-ML they are more dead
Shotgun, Onyx, Tactical, Realm Ravager

[wide river]

It's hard to make a better one, as I think block distance is hard to measure
So we're stuck with this one that can be easily exploited

[grim tusk]

3 of which are vanilla

[glass arch]

can they change the formula for high velocity bullets specifically

so its fewer frames

[grim tusk]

It could be done yes

[swift wharf]

can't you just make it based on time

[drowsy plank]

it is based on time (frames)

[swift wharf]

h u h

then why does it break

[drowsy plank]

yeah it's not based on actual distance rn it's based on number of frames the projectile is alive

[wide river]

You appear to have forgotten a few
Quad-Barrel Shotgun and Boomstick

[swift wharf]

oh I see

[drowsy plank]

because projectiles have wildly varying interactions with frames
did you know equiver works by doubling projectile updates
so that means it probably fucks with point blank

[swift wharf]

hv bullets go farther in less time

makes sense makes sense

[drowsy plank]

equiver was truly one of the accessory design decisions ever

[swift wharf]

just add an invisible circle around player that increases the damage of ranged projectiles

[wide river]

Maybe point-blank could have a similar thing to how stealth works:
Reduce the point-blank damage by a set amount for any velocity boosts that you have on

[drowsy plank]

i guess but that doesnt help when the weapon or bullet is just

naturally fast

[swift wharf]

😎

quiver of nihility radius bandaid fix

💪

[wide river]

We could just make sniper rifles and other things like that not have point-blank
Like
Why would you be firing a sniper rifle that close anyway
Just hit them with the gun itself at that point

[drowsy plank]

me pulling a mappy and stacking a billion slow moving ranged projectiles and standing next to them before baiting a boss into them and watching them blow up like explosive bunnies and WoF in 1.4.0

[swift wharf]

just remove it

:sungla:

[lucid flare]

bullet-filled shotgun(?)

[wide river]

Are you by any chance referring to Mappy (1983), the arcade game created by Namco

[drowsy plank]

MappyGaming

the speedkill guy on youtube

[wide river]

Man I'm old

[drowsy plank]

lol

most of his 1.3 speedkills involved stacking ludicrious amounts of melee sword projectiles on top of each other by outrunning them and kiting them into the boss instantly

[grim tusk]

Those are pre-hm

[wide river]

Hm. You only mentioned pre-Moon Lord as the category, but fair enough.

[fervent orbit]

idk if thats enough lo

i just looked at ornates wiki page

saw that the tooltip didnt mention it

[north oracle]

Good suggestion
Stop people from saying “wait, ornate has a ram?”

[errant bobcat]

Wait, ornate has a ram?

[desert briar]

Wait, ornate has a ram?

[fervent orbit]

Wait, ornate has a ram?

i didnt know this

[swift wharf]

aint no way

[drowsy plank]

are we SURE it does? i mean it's not even in the tooltip!

[swift wharf]

!wimi ornate shield

WIMI

!wiki ornate shield

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ornate_Shield

[swift wharf]

bruh aint no way

[fervent orbit]

that is so true

must not have a ram

[swift wharf]

all dashes are a ram if you're brave enough

[north oracle]

:frickyoy:

[wide river]

@ashen warren Refer to this suggestion
#suggestions-voting message

If you want more than that, add reasoning to your suggestion that isn't "It would be cool"

[ashen warren]

No

[undone cedar]

[wide river]

Then accept the fact your suggestion will never be accepted because you didn't follow the suggestion rules

[halcyon zealot]

[ashen warren]

🤓

[wide river]

I'm literally telling you to follow the rules, this isn't a nerd emoji scenario

[drowsy plank]

well time to block them and wait for a mod to come around 👍

[undone cedar]

I don’t think they care

[wide river]

That's probably correct

[drowsy plank]

makes me wonder why people even bother

when they know they're just going to be rejected

[crude geode]

Bc they’re cmt users

[wide river]

Probably for the same reason that some people ask to be banned

[drowsy plank]

so true

prolly

[wide river]

But actually though

[desert briar]

There's no real for the frost legion to be changed at all considering that unless your using a mod to make it winter, I don't think it can be fought

[ashen warren]

It serves no purpose other than the santa npc

[polar pine]

you can defeat frost moon

[golden sonnet]

Calamity adds a recipe for the globe, and frost moon makes it the holiday after fighting it

[polar pine]

makes it winter for one day

[wide river]

Yea, that too

The Essence of Eleum that the Frost Legion drops next update will give it a bit more purpose as an easy farming method

Or, if not next update, then whenever it gets implemented

[north oracle]

It s already getting changed to be slightly more useful

So wayyyy more reasoning is needed

[wide river]

Didn't we get rid of Nurse cheese prevention at some point

[lyric path]

Fairly sure nurse is disabled during boss fights in calamity

[wide river]

I don't think it is, I've been able to do it recently

[lyric path]

Oh, only disabled on death mode

[wide river]

Huh, in Death Mode only that is the case

[drowsy plank]

@worldly mica
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Death_Mode
"The Nurse will refuse to heal the player if a boss is currently alive."

[worldly mica]

tahts not balancing tahts just deleting

[wide river]

I think it was in all modes at some point, but then was pushed to Death Mode at later date

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck is your suggestion supposed to be then

one of them is just better (the one already implemented in death mode)

[worldly mica]

yeah but i think its too easy to just walk to teh nurse and talk to her in base calamity

[north oracle]

Is there reasoning here?

[worldly mica]

i think tehre should be more of a risk factor

[north oracle]

Or just

Do this

[worldly mica]

no

[glass arch]

doesnt cal also severely increase the price of the nurse when a boss is alive

[drowsy plank]

awesome, this is basically a reversion suggestion because it's just like when in rev getting smacked with levi meteors when talking to nurse was removed

yes

[north oracle]

There’s enough risk factor to stopping to talk to an npc mid fight

[worldly mica]

yes healing 200 hp is like 50 gold

[drowsy plank]

this suggestion is pointless because if you're going to purposefully abuse mechanics to cheese a boss you're just going to find a different way to do it

[north oracle]

^

[drowsy plank]

the solution to nurse cheese is to just not use it and play fair or play in death mode 👍

[worldly mica]

or just get good

[drowsy plank]

play in death mode

[glass arch]

nurse cheese is unfun

[north oracle]

Nurse is cheesing, if you don’t like the cheese… don’t use it

[wide river]

Next up on the suggestions list: "Remove Minecart functionality during boss fights because they can be abused"

[crude geode]

Remove functionality of my soul

[north oracle]

[worldly mica]

remove moving from teh game, it makes dodging too easy

[drowsy plank]

Disable Rod of Discord during boss fights

[wide river]

Didn't we do that too at some point

[north oracle]

Remove dashes during boss fights because they can be abused

[wide river]

Remove Terraria during boss fights because it can be abused

[glass arch]

pretty sure

[wide river]

It uninstalls Terraria whenever a boss is alive

[worldly basalt]

remove weapons, they're too strong for killing bosses

[glass arch]

remove terraria during boss fights

[worldly basalt]

traps only from now on

[drowsy plank]

okay we're getting off topic, anyone got a mod to ping so we can flag these suggs?

[wide river]

Give me a second, I'll ping Brav

@zenith hazel The recent two suggestions are interesting, would you mind flagging them?

[wide river]

Read from here down if you need context

Ok perfect, thanks!

[desert briar]

Also it's stupid because if a boss fight leads you near your npc housing your just fucked for a few seconds

[drowsy plank]

something something all bosses copypasta

[wide river]

As much as I think this would be fine, how would someone not get 10 books from the safe area of the Dungeon?

[fossil finch]

bookcases can also spawn in normal,d esert and tundra underground cabin

also that

[drowsy plank]

we should add a recipe for hellforge and sharpening station and extractinator and

[fossil finch]

so yeah like no this sugg is pretty uninformed to begin with

[drowsy plank]

til you can also get books from dungeon crates and the wizard

[wide river]

The Wizard selling them was apparently added in 1.4.1, I thought that it was a 1.4.4 or a modded thing

[drowsy plank]

@lethal lily read above

i cant imagine any reason to actually add this atm

[ripe owl]

The reasoning is understandable but it's not enough honestly

[lethal lily]

because I am playing FTW and either I am dumb enough to not have actually noticed there were any bookshelves or they just don't generate in FTW for some reason

[lavish condor]

I've been screwed out of books by world gen, but there are alternative ways to get bookshelves as well

[ripe owl]

The "not enough books" part can already be validated by creating a new world and getting books from there

[gilded scroll]

or just buy them from Wizard, i think he sells em

[wide river]

Yea, he does

What the suggestion wants is for them to be obtainable pre-hardmode, however

[gilded scroll]

for bookcase?

[wide river]

Yeah

[gilded scroll]

heres a secret
go find a few cabins, they have bookcases

underground cabins usually have furniture items, bookcases are one of them. your gonna be fine

[ripe owl]

Oh yeah that's true

[gilded scroll]

i think that would be reason enough to ❗ it

[wide river]

Underground cabins are a treasure trove of crafting stations

[north oracle]

It’s a totally unnecessary sug, yeah

[gilded scroll]

hell, if your lazy/lucky, you can find everything you need from them, save for a furnace

[lethal lily]

I know I made a clown suggestion but how is scrounging through the underground to find a crafting station lazy

[wide river]

It's not. I don't see why that comparison was made, really

[gilded scroll]

yeah, that is true, but the point is, you dont need a book recipe

[wide river]

I'm sure the suggestion had a good intention, but it does just seem like there are more points against it than for it

[keen zodiac]

sans sharknado staff

[drowsy plank]

sans sharknado is real and he's coming for you

[grim tusk]

The issues with the sugg are mostly grammar but the point still gets across

[north oracle]

It’s still totally unnecessary

[grim tusk]

True

But not an invalid suggestion

[gilded scroll]

just dig lmfao

[drowsy plank]

it is just a very weak suggestion and it will die in voting

[wide river]

Watch it get 200 stars

[north oracle]

[wide river]

And some well thought out ones get like 80

[drowsy plank]

and then get rejected by the devs

[glass arch]

watch it become the next Icicle Arrow sugg

[wide river]

Win-win!

[gilded scroll]

all the good suggestions always get shafted by the memes

[drowsy plank]

nah next icicle arrow is adding official to the music mod name

[north oracle]

Like the yharims gift one cognitive wrote for me to post

[wide river]

Icicle arrow suggestion: "You dare approach me?"

[gilded scroll]

how many votes did the wulfrum toilet one i made get?

[drowsy plank]

140 in a day is wild

[wide river]

With that growth, I think it might unfortunately overtake some of the better ones

[north oracle]

Why is auric bricks so popular

[wide river]

As long as they stay in the top 20%, I'll be fine
But, I do hope that the Jungle Material suggestion passes

[drowsy plank]

bc it is a good idea tbh tbh

[north oracle]

At least void shrine is doing really well

[drowsy plank]

yeah

and perennial is nearly hitting the big two hundo

which is wild

[wide river]

I'm very surprised by that

[north oracle]

Kinda crazy

[drowsy plank]

it still feels like a sugg-disc pipe dream but here we are lmao

[wide river]

I'm still expecting it to be hit with a "This conflicts with existing plans" result

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[north oracle]

Princess drinks on plates is doing so well

I love it

[glass arch]

im pretty sure it will be

ive heard perennial has some devplans.png

[drowsy plank]

placeable potions when

[gilded scroll]

how would i search for a post in suggestions voting, being very specific.

[grim tusk]

[gilded scroll]

i wanna try and find one of mine

[wide river]

Placeable Hadal Stew when

[drowsy plank]

just "from:#suggestion-voting" and some piece of context from it lol

[glass arch]

ye

[drowsy plank]

or "in:" ig

u get the point

[gilded scroll]

im looking for my wulfrum toilet one

[drowsy plank]

placeable baguette..,.,.,...

[wide river]

Don't me
I'm confident it's going to conflict with something you devs have planned

[glass arch]

so like if i wanted to look for my frost legion sugg id search "frost legion in:#suggestions-voting"

[glass arch]

#suggestions-voting message this one?

[gilded scroll]

found it!

[lethal lily]

frost legion expansion seems like a good idea actually I'll try that

[gilded scroll]

221 stars and the flag. neat

[wide river]

Or "in:#suggestions-voting frost legion

[drowsy plank]

reasoning for that one sounds
difficult

[north oracle]

Why does that thing have 221 votes

[wide river]

Either order works

[lethal lily]

since I do agree that mf Frost Legion should actually be relevant aside from getting just one NPC to move in

[gilded scroll]

fuck if i know

[wide river]

Because toilet suggestions instantly are the best idea ever

[hollow shell]

@fervent orbit ?

[north oracle]

[gilded scroll]

im surprised it even PASSED

[north oracle]

Noob illiteracy arc

[gilded scroll]

but hey, i did something for the mod!

[north oracle]

something

[drowsy plank]

dash =/= ram

[hollow shell]

I'll exclam the sugg for now
If they meant "Well yeah it mentions a dash but it doesn't say anything about what kind of dash it is" then the sugg should definitely be reworded to mention that

[drowsy plank]

agree

it was a bit confusing until i realized it just said dash too but i get what they were going for now

[small timber]

I will be honest for the book suggestion

[hollow shell]

Right now the sugg is definitely phrased like the tooltip isn't acknowledging it at all

[drowsy plank]

til frost legion locks Santa Claus

for whatever reason

[glass arch]

what

[small timber]

the "proper solution" to me seems will be more like "find some way to make sure you never get book pre-skeletron" rather than "oh now you just get book anytime since you can cheese it by random chance"

[glass arch]

doesnt it just have to be the christmas time event

[drowsy plank]

no

that's frost moon

santa is unironically frost legion locked and i dont fucking know why

[hollow shell]

Can't you find bookcases in Underground Cabins too?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

you can

[glass arch]

yeah you can get bookcases pretty easily

[drowsy plank]

they did not know about the new frost bolt recipe

they lacked the critical information

i dont even think any recipe uses normal books anymore

[small timber]

then yeah the suggestion reasoning seems to be abit lacking then?

[hollow shell]

I can check

[drowsy plank]

besides furniture obviously

[small timber]

unless there is something requiring explicitly book that is intended to be obtained pre-skeletron (namely a weapon)

and also yes the suggestion even mentioned "you can get to underworld to get it" which is also definitely a valid option

[hollow shell]

Yeah, wiki's Recipe Finder isn't showing any items that require books except for actual bookcases, and also pianos, from Calamity furniture sets

[drowsy plank]

i forgot about that tbh

[hollow shell]

@lethal lily You should probably mention that Underground Cabins can contain bookcases as well

[glass arch]

absolutely nothing but bookcases need books in cal

[drowsy plank]

and also that we dont need books for weapons anymore!!!

[lethal lily]

or I could just

[small timber]

like you are not doing a 2 hour deep dive in underworld and trying to survive for extensive amount of time
you are just doing a 2 minute grab and run in underworld to get the bookcase

[lethal lily]

delete the sugg since I know it's redundant

[hollow shell]

Alright if you want to

[drowsy plank]

seems like most of it was predicated on the whole frost bolt thing anyway lol

[north oracle]

Yeh

[halcyon zealot]

How would a book be crafted, in a world where the sugg went thru

I am curious

[golden sonnet]

leather, silk

[halcyon zealot]

Also why is noob's sugg !
It seems clear enough, at least to the relevant people

[halcyon zealot]

Checks out 👌

[hollow shell]

Because it's incorrect
The tooltip actually mentions that it has a dash

If he meant that it should be clearer what type of dash it is, then the sugg should be phrased as such
Right now it's worded like there is no acknowledgement in the tooltip at all

[halcyon zealot]

ahh makes sense

[drowsy plank]

@lethal lily that's... already in voting

[lethal lily]

oh

[drowsy plank]

and the boomstick is sold by the arms dealer post qb so...

[lethal lily]

oh\

nvm\

[drowsy plank]

and it's hardmode locked......

it's fine

lol

[lethal lily]

with the stats of the enemies that makes no sense lol

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[halcyon zealot]

seems to be a leap to assume that his sugg is implying that it doesn't have a dash, but yeah I agree it can and should be clearer

[lethal lily]

I do think the frost legion should drop essence of eleum though it doesn't make sense that it drops nothing 💀

and as far as I know there's no real point in getting Santa Claus aside from decorations either

[drowsy plank]

well that is why it already passed lol

so hopefully we'll see it soon

also

idk what compelled me to do this but i randomly decided to go back and look at all the weapons that still exist that were added in 1.0 and man these sure are some of the weapons of all time
im so glad aerialite is getting a rework because it is one of the biggest offenders besides perennial lmao. and then cryonic

scoria managed to get a pretty big glowup comparatively tho

[lethal lily]

I think Wind Blade and Tradewinds are fine but yeah Goldplume Spear needs a rework badly

[drowsy plank]

i dont like any of the ones you listed

[lethal lily]

but funny feather book . . .

[drowsy plank]

that's exactly why
turning yourself into a bootleg harpy is actually Very Lame

[fervent orbit]

@hollow shell like this?

[halcyon zealot]

looks good

[small timber]

frost legion essence of eleum is already passed iirc

[fervent orbit]

im not good at explaining things if you couldnt tell

[lethal lily]

also it's funny to me that literally the only underworld thing you can't get pre-Skeletron is the stuff from Shadow Chests

[fervent orbit]

mmmm tasty

oh it got deleted lo

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's better

[drowsy plank]

blame vanilla

also did anyone ever notice that overloaded blaster got reworked? cause i didnt lmao

[fervent orbit]

wait wat

[drowsy plank]

"The Overloaded Blaster is a Pre-Hardmode flamethrower that is dropped by The Slime God. It fires a spray of 5 small projectiles in a wide, random spread. The projectiles bounce once off of tiles, then fall to the ground once they bounce."

[fervent orbit]

oh yea that

[north oracle]

That’s new

[drowsy plank]

im used to the dust barf so this is interesting

[small timber]

should mention just copy paste asgard's valor tooltip imo but yeah

since this is clearer than "Grant a ram" or "Grand a ram type dash" when the player don't really know what a ram is supposed to do

[fervent orbit]

yea

[fervent orbit]

lets not talk about how "can be used to ram enemies" is also ambiguous

[small timber]

oh right this should had been included in my tooltip wording fix doc, I missed this

but that doc is kinda in limbo (probably will never get enough stars) so

[fervent orbit]

i was also going to make another sugg on that but i was too lazy and wanted to play more terraria

[fossil finch]

'mean if we go by what could be seen as ambiguous wed have to describe everything in extreme detail

if you know what the word ram means you know what this thing does

[hollow shell]

"ram through enemies" would be much clearer

[fervent orbit]

true

[small timber]

or something like "Grant a holy dash, which can be used to ram enemies while avoiding contact damage"

[wide river]

The term "ram" in this situation is a bit weird, as according to Google ram can mean "crash violently against something", when rams in Terraria are going through something

Ram's definition from Google is closer to the Shield of Cthulhu, with its bonk

I think even "plow" would be a better term, as plow can mean "move in a fast and uncontrolled manner"

[crude geode]

.

[crude geode]

Lord please no

[hollow shell]

If you were to compare "ram" and "bonk" though
Then you would definitely say "bonk" is a much better word to describe SoC
and "ram" would then mean going through enemies cuz it's the term that isn't "bonk"

[crude geode]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Can you imagine how many 🤨 we'd get if an item said that it'd let you plow enemies

[wide river]

I don't see how, but people are always looking to make everything weird

[fervent orbit]

you are safe my friend

[wide river]

See: The dozens of words that used to mean something wholesome then the Internet ruined them

[hollow shell]

That's just how it is

Then again this is the game with an item literally named Golden Shower and an enemy literally named Mourning Wood

(At least the latter is a pun)

[crude geode]

Also the game with funny period references

[wide river]

I guess, but I don't think Calamity shouldn't have to cater to that existing trend

[hollow shell]

Drunk Princess.

[wide river]

‼️ Dedicated content ‼️

[north oracle]

You can’t make shield of chthulu not refered to as a bonk

[wide river]

Drunk Princess is just a self-insert of Fabsol, I don't see it as enforcing the trend

[crude geode]

It kinda does by existing tho

You can’t deny it existing in the mod (as much as I would love to)

[glass arch]

not only that im pretty sure its also implemented

[crude geode]

You’d have to like, remove it….