suggestions-discussion

[half imp]

generic underground is full of stuff

[drowsy plank]

idk rework earth elemental

[distant gyro]

a place to make place for real biomes

[golden sonnet]

it's not in the jungle, but it's jungle themed

[glass arch]

generic underground needs to DIE

[dense locust]

the difference is that you're spending a lot of time in base underground weather you want to or not

you're not really spending that much time in the desert unless theres a specific item or items you want

[glass arch]

yeah the generic caverns is just way to big to not spend time in there

[half imp]

desert has like no reason to go there after you find luxor's

[distant gyro]

idk if it's jungle themed exactly

[wide river]

The fact that people consistently think that Perennial is linked to the Jungle makes my point better

[half imp]

besides to get to sunken sea

[novel belfry]

honestly just do it

[drowsy plank]

it was literally just the plantera ore before this

[novel belfry]

perennial cactus

[distant gyro]

jungle is surprisingly a lack of floral matter

[cobalt pewter]

move perennial to desert

[dense locust]

(also, random thought, assuming perrenial is still post plant, it would also mean that it goes right with great sand shark being a thing

[cobalt pewter]

[distant gyro]

there's like roses and moonglow occasionally

[novel belfry]

its better than another generic plant ore

[half imp]

there's a whole flower boss

[drowsy plank]

tbf are there
actually a lot of flowers in real jungles? it's mostly leafy

[distant gyro]

and 1 giant flower

jungle otherwise is just leaves

and vines and grass

minecraft jungle does something similar

[random pasture]

Yeah there are flowers in jungles

[drowsy plank]

i mean that do be what jungles look like

[random pasture]

Generally not many

[dense locust]

jungle is just kinda

[distant gyro]

step 1: add big trees
step 2: cover it in vines

[random pasture]

but there are some

[dense locust]

very saturated as is

[distant gyro]

step 3: there's no flowers

[wide river]

Well if my suggestion gets to the devs you can decide then if it'd actually be a good idea
For now though, the suggestion will be fine

[half imp]

it's one of the higher ones this cycle

fingers crossed

[novel belfry]

its 138 as of writing

[half imp]

this and crystal assasin are the 2 i want passed most

[novel belfry]

its almost certain it'll get to devs

[dense locust]

what's the crystal assasin one?

[half imp]

tldr

[random pasture]

Stuff like water lilies are pretty common

[half imp]

buff crystal assasin

[dense locust]

ah

[half imp]

it sucks rn

[dense locust]

didn't cal nerf it for whatever reason

[random pasture]

Yes

[wide river]

Honestly surprised that like
checks notes
my 15th suggestion already has a chance at reaching the devs

[drowsy plank]

it's because having discussions with the community and actually coming to a good decision leads to popular results

[novel belfry]

(does anyone actually know the source of this sticker)

[half imp]

who needs to discuss just suggest a no-brainer

like remove penalty on OOA armors

i bet that'd pass

[wide river]

So true
If only 90% of the suggesting public followed that logic

[drowsy plank]

do OOAs still have penalties

[novel belfry]

Shockeningly, that was actually debated with devs iirc

[half imp]

yes

which is ???

[dense locust]

theres no way that hasn't been suggested before at least twice

[half imp]

they're not even that great

mostly

[random pasture]

I guess an issue is that the jungle is absolutely stuffed with things to do in post hm

Chlorophyte, plantera, plague, golem

[glass arch]

is dark artist the one exception

[half imp]

also remember t3 ooa is on par with pillar gear

for balancing

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

[dense locust]

its a byproduct of vanilla putting 2 jungle bosses back to back only for cal to put a third one right after

[half imp]

no actually

[random pasture]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

oh yall

wanna see

[half imp]

most of them are good besides shinobi

[drowsy plank]

a REALLY funny one

[novel belfry]

show me

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

but not as good as they should be

[random pasture]

Meanwhile the desert is just

"Go kill sand shark maybe I guess idk"

[drowsy plank]

i think the funniest part is it being approved

truly the suggestion of all time

[random pasture]

"Kill sand elemental if you want to use a shard item for some reason"

[half imp]

desert has forbidden armor

[novel belfry]

And yet... we still got no Betsy summon somehow???

[dense locust]

tbf forbidden armor is actually p good

[half imp]

which is arugably the best armor in the game

rn

[random pasture]

Did they buff it?

[dense locust]

the game

[half imp]

in terms of OP for the tier

not like

[random pasture]

I remember it being mid

[half imp]

strength overall

[drowsy plank]

suggestion hell is real and it's where every idea goes to die

[half imp]

they fixed it

it now correctly removes summon damage penalty

[random pasture]

Cool

[half imp]

for mage weapons

[random pasture]

So yeah basically you have

[dense locust]

or rogue if your lame

[half imp]

no

rogue set doesn't change penalty

only mage

[dense locust]

it doesnt?

damn

L

[half imp]

the rogue set is also bugged still

in another way

[dense locust]

is fearmonger bugged or does that work properly

[half imp]

there is no bugged penalty reduction in the game

[dense locust]

cool

[half imp]

all 3 armors that are supposed to do it do it

[glass arch]

it works properly and is better than silva if you mutliclass

[dense locust]

fearmonger still being the better option after the massive nerfs it got is funny to me

[random pasture]

Go kill sand elemental
Maybe kill sand shark
Go to sunken sea to find schematic if you didnt get it yet, and muderize giant clam for mollusk shells

Thats all hm desert has

[half imp]

well it's bc it got buffed recently

[dense locust]

more of a reverted nerf

[drowsy plank]

sunken sea is sunken sea

[novel belfry]

why the fuck is it still multiclass?

[half imp]

they reduced summon penalty from 50% to 25%

[drowsy plank]

that is seperate

[wide river]

There's also Ancient Cloth and the Desert Lamp
That's it

[random pasture]

Yeah, it isnt even really the desert

[half imp]

and fearmonger/forbidden/gem tech now make penalty 0% instead of 25%

[drowsy plank]

Desert Lamp being preHM bc shrine;

[dense locust]

yeah, there was a time when fearmonger entirely removed the 50% summon penalty

[distant gyro]

OOA armors kinda exist but those are like really glorified stat boosters

[drowsy plank]

they do be stat sticks fr

[distant gyro]

with like changes to 1 line of weapon per set bonus

[half imp]

yeah

[distant gyro]

ig that's the point but still

[novel belfry]

just instead make a new post-DoG multiclass tank

[random pasture]

You just kill at most 2 mini bosses and maybe go get some materials you probably dont need

[glass arch]

because there arent any on tier whips for it to buff and i dont think theyd add a second pure summoner armor to post dog

[drowsy plank]

i think the point is it's moreso the stats opening up the possibilty of new multiclass playstyles since

[distant gyro]

stat entity

[half imp]

ooa armors are kinda like

[drowsy plank]

damage numbers ARE important after all

[half imp]

not great rn

for their tier

[wide river]

Considering half the playerbase doesn't use sentries, yea OOA armors are kinda bad

[half imp]

for being lunar pillar tier armor they're kinda not worth it ever

even if you use sentries

[glass arch]

either you never touch sentries or they are your life, there is no in between

[half imp]

dark artist or apprentice is the two you legit use sometimes

[distant gyro]

the most relevant OOA sets have ever been was just when you can frankenstein armor with it

[half imp]

true

[dense locust]

tbf even as a standalone armor fearmonger still sticks out for being a tanky summoner set

[drowsy plank]

doze did some funny stuff with sentries tbf

[distant gyro]

which honestly is kinda funny

[half imp]

bring back frankenstein ooa

tbh

it was more interesting than having 0 reason to ever armor mix

[wide river]

What is that

[distant gyro]

frankenstein ooa when it is minmaxer hell

it's armor mixing

[drowsy plank]

it's more interesting than what they are now

[half imp]

that's also why i want fish bowl or OSC to be a helmet that does stuff

[distant gyro]

you equip like dark artist legs

[half imp]

fish bowl make you count as in water or something

[distant gyro]

and then spectre mask

to max the stats as much as possible

[half imp]

so you have a genuine reason to mix armor for some effects

[wide river]

Occult Skull Crown used to be
That functionality is now gone, however

[half imp]

yea ik

and i am still not happy about that

[glass arch]

cant it still be used as a helmet

[half imp]

no

[glass arch]

huh

[drowsy plank]

cirrus dress being really interesting and also spitting in the face of all cal armor design xd

[half imp]

OSC + cirrus dress + moon lord legs was really cool and funny

[glass arch]

damn thats sad

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure there was a dumb armor combo that was like Occult Skull Crown, Cirrus' Dress, and Moon Lord Legs

[half imp]

yea

i wish fish bowl let like

[dense locust]

what does this even accomplish

[distant gyro]

bucket

[half imp]

aquatic emblem, ambergris, deep diver work everywhere

that would be genuinely really interesting

[glass arch]

infinite alcohols, osc buffs, and moon lord legs

[wide river]

Ye

[drowsy plank]

really strong rage+adren effects, free alcohol boosts, and good movenement speed bonuses

[half imp]

(5 alchohol now)

[distant gyro]

ml legs give the speed

[half imp]

fun fact

[wide river]

Basically the no-hitter set

[half imp]

osc with the right debuffs gives more stats than like

a whole armor set

but that's not practical ever

[glass arch]

doesnt cirrus dress lose ms

[half imp]

yes

[drowsy plank]

yes so legs offsets it

plus i think it existed when quick was actually good again

[half imp]

i made a suggestion to add more setless helmets a few months ago

didn't get anywhere

prolly need to specifically suggest fish bowl make "in water" effects work everywhere

fish bowl provi meta for avoiding icarus folly would be HILARIOUS

[wide river]

People don't like single armor pieces, apparently
They're like "But my set bonus!!1!!1!1" when the set bonus can sometimes be so bad that it's better to use misc pieces of armor

[glass arch]

fish bowl is an armor piece of all time

[dense locust]

aint no way

[random pasture]

Make fish bowl upgrade

[half imp]

leviathan bowl

[wide river]

Bowl of the Gods

[dense locust]

like yeah, that'd work, but also like

[half imp]

as is we have 2 unique legs, 1 unique chest, and 0 unique hats

[wide river]

When the Bucket

[random pasture]

Mining helmet

[half imp]

bucket doesn't have a unique effect

so it doesn't count

[half imp]

has an armor set

[wide river]

It's unique in that no one ever uses it!

[half imp]

i guess there is ONE unique head

sunglasses

but shut up

[novel belfry]

i remembered an ancient suggestion on the terraria forums whose idea was that set bonuses should be tied to individual pieces, i.e. one piece gets the weakest version of set bonus, while 3 gets the strongest version of set bonus

[wide river]

Those may as well be vanity

[distant gyro]

bucket is a meme and bucket users deserve it

[drowsy plank]

doze if you ever got like a dev or donor item would you make it leviathan bowl

[half imp]

uhh

prolly not

[wide river]

If you stack them, you get TWO buckets!

[drowsy plank]

fair

it would be funny tho

[half imp]

i have higher priorities

[drowsy plank]

true

[distant gyro]

however it will be funny if bucket is meta

[dense locust]

such as

[half imp]

(artificer tempest staff)

[olive widget]

Honestly fishbowl should apply in water buffs

[wide river]

Give Bucket Auric tier stats but only if nothing else is equipped

[half imp]

that's what i was saying

[half imp]

no, only with auric armor on

smh

auric bucket

[wide river]

The Bucket of the Gods

[half imp]

multiclass auric helm

the bucket

[wide river]

I can't help but read these in the Stanley Parable narrator voice

[drowsy plank]

the bucket just closes terraria and opens the stanley parable

[wide river]

Someone will make that a mod
People have made a mod that opens Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance when you take damage, it's not unreasonable to think someone would do that too

[eternal escarp]

because ammos already
do those things with different ammo types?

[heady root]

Just add make arrow and bullet using flask

Who make the thing simple

[eternal escarp]

i dont understand what you mean exactly
are you suggesting to make ichor bullets need the ichor flask to craft?

[heady root]

No just flask can be compatible with ranger class like using the flask ichor who make any ranger weapon to inflict ichor

[eternal escarp]

why?

ranger already can inflict all of those things
via ammo types

[crude geode]

Flasks are a bad mechanic

[heady root]

But most of the inflicting bullet are bad in later game

[eternal escarp]

too bad i guess, if you want ichor then you have lower damage

[crude geode]

So use ichor arrows with a bow to debuff enemies and then use whatever bullet

If I’m not hallucinating

Or ichor darts or whatever

God

[crude geode]

I hate flasks I hate flask I hate flasks

[eternal escarp]

truly a mechanic

[heady root]

For make melee and summoner a good class in vanilla

[crude geode]

Vanilla doesn’t make anything good wdym

[heady root]

Except for ranger and mage

[eternal escarp]

well overexagguration i think

[heady root]

Vanilla melee who have 77% of they weapon don’t make a projectile

Making most of the melee weapon useless

[crude geode]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

well modern Terraria has made decent things

but the shadow of its past will always loom over everyone

[crude geode]

@hollow shell only real reasoning for it is “why not”

#suggestions-posting message

[eternal escarp]

i can exclam too i forgor again

[golden tulip]

you could argue its for consistency because other classes have it and they dont

but then i would say that would make classes even less unique than they already are

[crude geode]

Classes when they aren’t consistently able to do the exact same things (this is cringe somehow)

[north oracle]

If you really want to inflict ichor then have a minishark and ichor bullets

[small timber]

imagine using actual debuff weapons that the mod give to you when you can just make flask apply to every single class in the universe

so when do we get betsy curse + marked + ichor + armor crunch in a single flask

people always asked for combination accessory but never asked for combination flasks smhmyheadmyhead

[north oracle]

Sooo true

Smhmh

[swift wharf]

just use golden shower lmao

[eternal escarp]

i think i can confidentally say this is not going to pass positively

[small timber]

it is something that had been denied, multiple times yes

@opaque jungle

the fact that celestial onion does nothing in master mode is intentional

[opaque jungle]

oh

sorry, did not know

[eternal escarp]

didnt expect you to, it happens

[small timber]

I will be honest if celestial onion just become a food item and give stinky buff for 1 hour will not be a bad easter egg

[eternal escarp]

but yeah, the team very much likely didnt change their opinion on this

[small timber]

if is fine, it is actually unlikely for you to know tbh

[cosmic karma]

make you take 1% more damage imo

[small timber]

it is not even in the "Suggestion Don't" list, it is just something that had been suggested and rejected before

[opaque jungle]

negative 50% damage reduction

oh

[eternal escarp]

if it ever does anything in master

it will be automatically entering the trash spot

[cosmic karma]

finally balanced worm scarf

[opaque jungle]

well

i assume i can delete it now, can i

[small timber]

yeah probably just delete it

(since a dev is here to tell you it is unlikely to pass)

[opaque jungle]

makes sense

thank you guys for cooperation

[eternal escarp]

👍

[random pasture]

Ranger literally has debuff ammunition

Just use ichor bullets/arrows

Why would they give ranger a way to double up on debuffs?

They already have weapons to do that job

[wide river]

Mage flasks when

[random pasture]

Yo true

[halcyon zealot]

Lunic eye or eye of magnus
Or the sniper rifles are good ranger responses to DR

[random pasture]

Also yeah

The classless weapons exist to give everyone a way to debuff

[wide river]

@ashen warren you aren't supposed to use future content as reasoning in suggestions

[ashen warren]

oh well

[wide river]

The suggestion might still be fine, you just need to think of reasoning that doesn't involve the name change

[hybrid steeple]

pretty sure theyre already being renamed

[ashen warren]

nope thats normal ones

[ashen warren]

can u check again?

[hybrid steeple]

[ashen warren]

oh well it wasnt in changelog

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[ashen warren]

i guess i should have checked a bit more

anyways imma delete it then

[hybrid steeple]

no you wouldnt have found it its fine

[ashen warren]

done

welp

too late

[wide river]

...Then why does the Changelogs say that they're being renamed to "Supreme Catastrophe" and "Supreme Cataclysm"?

I'm referring to the reply to be clear

[hybrid steeple]

the suggestion was about the calclone brothers?

thats the calclone brothers' new names

[wide river]

In the reply shown in the image, it say that "Supreme Cataclysm and Supreme Catastrophe are now just Catastrophe and Cataclysm"

[distant gyro]

changelogs that are being put right now is a month behind

[hybrid steeple]

oh that

[distant gyro]

that's how

[wide river]

Oh

[hybrid steeple]

yeah idk why

[wide river]

Thanks for clearing that up

[ashen warren]

:p so u guys started working in feb????

holy shit

thanks for putting effort and making the mod as fun as it is

[golden sonnet]

Fr, appreciate all the time and effort you devs put in

[sour rivet]

ok so im running across an issue using calamity

idk if i should post it here

[wide river]

What kind of issue?
If it's a bug, report it in #1052323733961977947
If it's a wiki error, go report it in #wiki-discussion
If it's something you want changed, then it's fine here

[sour rivet]

well im not sure exactly what kind of bug it is or if my files are corrupted

want me to dm u the SS of it?

[ashen warren]

#calamity-mod-talk

[sour rivet]

thx

[sturdy vapor]

who is better smash province or the red elemental

[drowsy plank]

please leave

@errant inlet SIS check pins

lol lmao

[errant inlet]

Wait what i do

[drowsy plank]

check pins

read the rules

[errant inlet]

whoops.

Should i just post it in here 😅

[drowsy plank]

no

just

dont post it lmao

read the rules first prolly

im not even sure how you could change that to fit the rules in the pins

it's just pure specific item suggestion

[wide river]

What even are "The Hunters", Artemis and Apollo?

[drowsy plank]

yeah, even tho... artemis is the only one that's actually a hunter

i guess they wanted to give them a fancy title

[errant inlet]

Oh i see

[errant inlet]

Not gonna name em the twins sincd that name is already taken

[drowsy plank]

exo twins

[errant inlet]

Na uh

Sounds lame

[wide river]

Usually the term used to refer to them is "Exo Twins"

[drowsy plank]

that's what they're called

[wide river]

It might be lame but that's what it's called

[errant inlet]

Yeah im still gonna call em the hunters

[drowsy plank]

you really shouldnt

no one is going to know what you're talking about

[errant inlet]

but the name exo twins suuucks

[drowsy plank]

ok

[cosmic karma]

the worm the skeleton and the wardrobe

[drowsy plank]

so true

[crude geode]

Actual names they should have gone with 😤

[errant inlet]

destroyer lite - now with 100% less probes
skele prime lock x and y
eyes that can be beaten by gelatinous pillion

Mannnnnnnnn the fact that any SIS aren't allowed is kinda doodoo

I mean i get it

Drowns out other suggestions

Like boss/item revamps

But mannnnn

[drowsy plank]

well they are also just Bad

[crude geode]

^

[cosmic karma]

very few were ever accepted

[north oracle]

and way too specific for devs to add
also if someone dislikes one part of the SIS, the general idea also gets rejected

[drowsy plank]

me when <><><><><><><><><>

[errant inlet]

Holy shit i just had a huge deja vu

I've been here before

[glass arch]

i mean you joined almost a year ago its not surprising

[bright crag]

I've hear them being called many things
Exo Twins, Artepollo

[errant inlet]

No i mean this very situation

Oh whatever

[bright crag]

Los Apollos Hermanos

[glass arch]

lmfao

[drowsy plank]

Los Apollos Hermanos

[crude geode]

Yo true

[drowsy plank]

real

[errant inlet]

Thats a good name

[golden sonnet]

Incredible

[errant inlet]

Where could i post this suggestion just for shits n giggles

Just because i want criticism on it

[bright crag]

You can post it here

[errant inlet]

Even though its a SIS?

[wide river]

"Welcome to the Los Apollos Hermanos family. My name is Draedon, but you can call me Drae"

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean it's actually fine i was just saying

you should prolly read the rules first

[drowsy plank]

if you wanted to actually get criticism and make it acceptable

[errant inlet]

Sure

Buster Separation Chamber
Can be placed
Used for manifesting the power of a neutron star to separate synthetic amalgams
Crafting:
-1 Charging Station
-2 Power Cell Factories
-20 Exo Prisms
-5 Ashes Of Anihilation
-12 Ascendant Spirit Essence
-300 Exodium Cluster
-1 Buster Beam (15% drop from Thanatos when defeated last)

The laser core of a serpentine terror.
-1 Division Dicer (15% drop from Ares when defeated last)
The blender core of an armed goliath.
-1 Supervision Sclera (15% drop from The Hunters when defeated last)
The optic equipment of two mechanical horrors.

The crafting station functions similarly to a charging station/codebreaker, needing power cells to function.
When an Exo Prism, along with 500 Draedon Power Cells is put into the Buster Separation Chamber, the crafting station becomes animated, with the glass chamber shining blinding white, with a T-Hanos beam coming out of the top.
After the 5 second long animation plays, the player is given 1 Exodia and 1 Stained Steel.
The player can put in multiple Exo Prisms at once, but the adequate amount of Draedon Power Cells (500 per Prism) has to be put in as well in order for the chamber to function.
Exodia would replace Exo Prisms in the Miracle Matter crafting recipe, whereas Stained Steel would be used for a whole new line of armor and accessories themed around the Exo Mechs themselves.
An idea of how the armor would look could be taken from the Ares's Exoskeleton, where the player gains a vanity breastplate resembling the torso of Ares, aside from the summoned Ares arms.
An armor concept is to come!

[bright crag]

In this channel, it's allowed
Since, well, it's not the official suggestion submissions

[drowsy plank]

truly this suggestion is sdomgenous

[errant inlet]

ginimeresorous even

[bright crag]

Hang on...

[wide river]

So, immediately, I can offer some advice.
Usually bosses dropping an item used for only one item is discouraged, and in this case would require killing the Exo Mechs three separate times at minimum

[glass arch]

exo armor is already planned so lol lmao on that part

[bright crag]

Have you commented on the Exo weapon resprite tweet?

[errant inlet]

Fuck sakes come on

[bright crag]

I did see an Exodia mention there

[drowsy plank]

[errant inlet]

You're stalking me

Stg

[glass arch]

of course

[bright crag]

(I just read the comments)

[glass arch]

why wouldnt we be

[drowsy plank]

anyway this suggestion is awful 👍

[bright crag]

They're in your walls

[wide river]

When someone notices a pattern between two usernames (they must be stalking that person)

[errant inlet]

Damn i asked for criticism not shit in my cocoa puffs

[drowsy plank]

i dont even know where to start

there's just so much wrong with it

[crude geode]

The answer is don’t

[drowsy plank]

so true

[errant inlet]

Just start at whatever point

[glass arch]

well for starters exo armor is already planned

[errant inlet]

Im not gonna improve shit if the only criticism im getting is "na uh"

[errant inlet]

Oh is it?

[glass arch]

yes

[errant inlet]

Well that solves it

If its some class specific bs imma be mad

[glass arch]

its planned to be some sort of super tank armor as opposed to demonshade's supreme glassiness

[drowsy plank]

you could improve it by scrapping it entirely, reading the rules and making a completely new suggestion 👍

[wide river]

I'll give you some advice since other people just seem to want to shut it down

[errant inlet]

You rewording the sentence "na uh" doesn't help but your absolute comedic genius is very appreciated

[errant inlet]

Thank you

And go ahead

[drowsy plank]

there is no joke i still dont think you've read them

[glass arch]

i would advise against having 3 separate drops from exos as even post scal they can still be quite tough, even more so when youd have to fight exos 3 separate times

[cosmic karma]

perhaps add some reasoning at the end, like why this should be added/happen. without it, it kinda just seems like “add x itll be cool” which doesnt come off good

[errant inlet]

First off the exo prism contains sheds of the metal used for the exo armor plating which really doesn't make any sense when making miracle matter

Miracle matter just looks like a jumble of light

[glass arch]

miracle matter is a miracle it even works

It Should Not Work but yet it does

[errant inlet]

The exo prisms are amalgams of armor plating and (as i like to call it) exodia

[north oracle]

what suggestion is this?

[errant inlet]

#suggestions-discussion message

[glass arch]

giving advice on this that isnt just shutting it down

because yes it wouldnt make it past posting but its still nice to give feedback on stuff like this sometimes

[north oracle]

jesus that's so specific

and so unneccesary

[errant inlet]

.

[glass arch]

still nice to give feedback on stuff

[north oracle]

true

[cosmic karma]

also “An armor concept is soon to come” is pretty unnecessary for a suggestion

as are suffixes in general

[wide river]

Usually we don't want the player to have to kill a boss like the Exo Mechs repeatedly, especially considering it can take upwards of 5-6 minutes per fight, so adding three separate drops that would require around 7-8 kills per mech would involve a lot of grinding.
Ashes of Annihilation are usually exempt from Exo recipes, as they are separate bosses.
Aside from that, the recipe is fine. We try not to give names or tooltips to items that we want added, so for future suggestions try to leave those out.
When trying to ask for items, you don't want to say specifically how it will function, as that causes it to work against the suggestion. Say what will actually help with getting your suggestion implemented, but don't be incredibly specific.

[glass arch]

its a nice break from the constant shutting down of ideas and/or debates about suggestions

[crude geode]

Literally

[novel belfry]

tbh i want exo armor to look like ares' armor

[north oracle]

yeah, you really don't want to list a name, it's exact purpose, it's animation, and everything about it
that's for the devs to decide

[crude geode]

A large portion of the oldies in this chat love shutting down suggs without actually describing why

Or helping improving it

[errant inlet]

Genuinely thank you all for being so nice

[north oracle]

i feel like this just needs way way less detail and it could be a pretty cool suggestion

[crude geode]

I just did it bc a) I just woke up and b) have work today so I’m grumpy

[novel belfry]

a different way to "get" exo prisms

[errant inlet]

And not just going "eueghegeheu this suggestion BADOOKIe!!! jump off a bridge eueggehhgeeue"

[blazing kettle]

havent had a item sugg this specific in a while

[north oracle]

it's an impressively detailed idea

[errant inlet]

I like details

[glass arch]

i would lean away from exodia only being used for one thing

[errant inlet]

Because if the item gets implemented in a way completely different than what intended

[north oracle]

unfortunately it's not quite what's wanted in #suggestions-posting

[blazing kettle]

thats fair but we want thinfs to be a little vague so that devs have leeway with the idea

[novel belfry]

its a bit too detailed, which isn't good for a sugg since it leaves no room for modifying according to dev plans

[glass arch]

if only donor items still existed

[swift wharf]

i see all description but no reasoning

[errant inlet]

I mean you can like tweak the way it works n shit i dont care about that but keep the premise of the item stagnant

[north oracle]

if it doesn't fit with what devs want it won't be added when it's this specific

[errant inlet]

#suggestions-discussion message

[blazing kettle]

you can give a general idea

[north oracle]

if you just want the idea to get through, just post the idea with some reasoning for why it's a good idea

[swift wharf]

damn that's a

[blazing kettle]

but you cant give full stats for it

[swift wharf]

weak reasoning

[errant inlet]

The idea is complicated in itself, though, so leaving out details would produce a lot of questions

[swift wharf]

very unnecessary as well

[glass arch]

miracle matter is honestly just a miracle that it works in the first place

[errant inlet]

LISTEN

I did not know that exo armor was already planned

[swift wharf]

it just works

[north oracle]

you also can't really ask for several new items, a crafting station, and an armour set to be added in one suggestion

[crude geode]

Miracle Matter is a miracle that I don’t beat it to death

[errant inlet]

The suggestion was solely meant for a new armor type

[swift wharf]

miracle matter already has a "fun" recipe

[errant inlet]

Thats why you don't craft any exo weapons

Fin

[swift wharf]

i mean why add something made out of exo prisms when you can
use exo prisms

[north oracle]

[errant inlet]

Take a look at my weak reasoning again

The sprite pisses me off

[swift wharf]

your problem

[north oracle]

then suggest the sprite is changed to make more sense

[swift wharf]

that's the worst reasoning ever

• the sprite is fine

[errant inlet]

Thats boring

[north oracle]

if you think the sprite doesn't work and that's your reasoning, then suggest the sprite is changed

[swift wharf]

then stick to the rules and don't post anything

[north oracle]

not that a complicated way to craft several entirely new items is added

[errant inlet]

Fine sprite change it is

[swift wharf]

i love making a suggestion based on the opinion of "i don't like the sprite"

• it's also a don't iirc

I'd say it falls in the "Resprite X based on poor quality"

-don't

anyways can we get a good suggestion today please

[crude geode]

Requesting a sprite change for an already good quality sprite is kinda silly

[wide river]

If I can figure out how to sprite, I could go to Cal Art and submit a sprite change

[swift wharf]

this is funny because exo weapons have nothing to do with exo mechs apparently

and exo blade may get a rename

[wide river]

"may"

[errant inlet]

Its a good quality sprite, just doesnt make sense

[swift wharf]

actually the chance is high

why does it not make sense

[errant inlet]

Aint that a lil stupid

[swift wharf]

i want good reasoning

there's a little metal on my crystal I demand change

[wide river]

You realize that the more bad ones we get the higher chance that the good ones get accepted
Not saying that the recent one is bad, of course

[north oracle]

we want 4 really bad ones for every good one

[wide river]

Quick comparison of Exo Prism sprite and Miracle Matter sprite

Why discord must you enlarge images so much when there's only two

New image formatting so it doesn't make a massive wall of embed

[unreal saffron]

Cuz discord sucks

[wide river]

Now it still makes a massive wall of embeds

[crude geode]

True!!!!

We should go back to forums

[grim tusk]

Theres literally metal in miracle matter what

[wide river]

This is a comparison of the embed formats
(left is old, right is new)

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell thoughts?

[wide river]

So you can fit more into less space, but it really messes up images when you just want to post two

[grim tusk]

Yea for 4 images the change kinda makes sense but for uneven numbers or under 3 its 💀

[unreal saffron]

Bruh this became discord suggestions lol

[errant inlet]

Did i seriously get devs involved

[wide river]

The channel never specifies what kind of suggestions should be discussed

[unreal saffron]

Welcome to suggestions discussion

[errant inlet]

Not the same dark metal that the exo armor plating has imo

[wide river]

Devs pop in here every now and then to check the suggestions and give their thoughts

[grim tusk]

We check #suggestions-posting to see if something gets ❗

Yours is borderline so im waiting for Rover

[grim tusk]

Then change your reasoning to account for that

Cuz atm it says it doesnt have metal

Also theres several reasons as to why mir.matter is like that (from the recipe you can prob guess why) and those will be revealed in time

[wide river]

I kinda feel like any Exo or Miracle Matter sprite suggestions should wait until the resprites in the next update, just in case it removes or gives any reasoning to suggestions

[tardy geyser]

Why should what the player crafts with exo prisms resemble the exo mechs?

[grim tusk]

But to summarize:
Exo crystals fall under Draedon’s calculations
Mir. Matter is something the player does and therefore do not

The more actual concrete and detailed reasoning is [redacted]

[unreal saffron]

The suggestion doesn’t even mention the fact that miracle matter is made up of a bunch of stuff. Imo, its sprite makes sense as it is an amalgam of a bunch of high tier materials, becoming “Miracle Matter”

[wide river]

But yeah, we are just waiting for Rover's opinion on if this is valid or not

[errant inlet]

The bot?

[grim tusk]

The admin

[errant inlet]

Oh there's an admin named rover

[unreal saffron]

Heres the recipe btw

Also im pretty sure there has been an established difference between draedon Exo and MirMat exo.

[errant inlet]

Ok so this explanation sounds weird but

I thought that the gemtech armor really didn't do justice to what the exo mechs resemble in terms of its spritework (considering its made out of exo prism) so i thought that a new armor set (literally already being planned) themed around the plating itself would've been a cool idea, thus the Buster Separation Chamber concept

Because it would've given the player the ability to have the armor plating as a separate crafting material while the ""exodia"" was used in miracle matter

Idk

Im gonna go sleep now

[unreal saffron]

Ok gn

[swift wharf]

gemtech has nothing to do with exos btw

it's a dev set

[blazing kettle]

sprite sugg moment?

[wide river]

It's actually a donor set

But the point still stands

[drowsy plank]

...

wait i thought donors were locked to pre-DoG...

i guess that was just old donors or something

the dog bloat is real!!!

[wide river]

This might've been donated before DoG or the rules were different for armor

[half imp]

Exo Prism has plans by the devs

Specific

[swift wharf]

i mean lilac is a dev now so get owned..........

[half imp]

There's lore

[drowsy plank]

💥

that's me getting owned

[half imp]

considering devs have plans for prisms that may directly conflict with this

[swift wharf]

i cannot escape the miracle matter

It is my burden now

[wide river]

What a miracle

[swift wharf]

my mind has changed

make the recipe life alloys and exo prisms

[drowsy plank]

miracle matter is still just

so funny

why do we make it

[swift wharf]

[wide river]

So it exists

[drowsy plank]

why was the terrarian like... "hm yes today i will put everything in all at once and see what happens"

[wide river]

Funny

[half imp]

why doesn't it use cosmilite

[drowsy plank]

this guy's a fuckin moron

[half imp]

and uelibloom

[drowsy plank]

so true

[half imp]

And reaper tooth

and

[wide river]

Uelibloom bad Divine Geode good

[drowsy plank]

and acorns

[wide river]

Make it use wood

[swift wharf]

you see it must be the culmination of your journey

[golden sonnet]

hear me out, we make life alloy 2, it combines uelibloom, cosmilite, and auric bars

[swift wharf]

so true

[drowsy plank]

[glass arch]

is that not miracle matter but with extra steps

[drowsy plank]

Yes.

[swift wharf]

i mean if you wanna keep the silly reason just make it use life alloy + post ml material + prisms

(refering to miracle matter being the way it is, not the suggestion)

but like

cores of calamity and life alloy in the same recipe

🥴

[glass arch]

the zenith of materials

[swift wharf]

GOD

[drowsy plank]

remember when the bars used the essenses in their recipes

[half imp]

Godly Alloy

[drowsy plank]

fun times

[swift wharf]

grand alloy

[glass arch]

like literally its made to use a good portion of important materials you've used in the past

[blazing kettle]

funny cosmic energy go boom

[drowsy plank]

where's chlorophyte then huh

[half imp]

Godly Alloy + Life Alloy + Core of Calamity + Ascendant Spirit Essence

Perfect

[drowsy plank]

the most important material

[swift wharf]

if thorium is enable it uses terrarium cores

[half imp]

I should make a mod to pointlessly overcomplicate cal crafting

[swift wharf]

trust me I'm a thorium dev

YOU SHOULD

[drowsy plank]

we had the recipe simplifier

[glass arch]

is the perennial in life alloy not chloro 2

[wide river]

The true most important material is the dirt block what are you talking about

[swift wharf]

YOU SHOULD AND THEN LITERALLY NOT CHANGE ANYTHING

[drowsy plank]

now the recipe complicator

[half imp]

like all things that use all 3 mech souls now use a combined item of all 3 instead

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

[swift wharf]

put images of real recipes

people will believe

[drowsy plank]

sooooo true

stop giving items recipes-

[glass arch]

and the ones that use those and hallowed bars use a combined item of them

[half imp]

I will add chloro and hallowed and all 6 hardmode ores to life alloy

[swift wharf]

i know what I must do

[half imp]

just to be safe

[crude geode]

TRUE

[wide river]

Let me see if I can make the most godawful recipe image in the history of Calamity

[swift wharf]

life alloy 0.5

[swift wharf]

any fandom recipe

[glass arch]

recipe complicator will double the size of exoblades crafting tree i can see it already

[drowsy plank]

if i was on my pc id have my sandbox open and be making the worst looking recipe ever on the wiki

[crude geode]

the weapon drops from the post plantera dungeon are the best thing vanilla ever made don’t @ me

[swift wharf]

any fandom recipe

[drowsy plank]

fair

it's hard to beat 3997*π³ delicious metal tbh

or whatever it is

[half imp]

I have one

an idea

each "combined material" requires the last

[swift wharf]

DEAR GOD

[north oracle]

wtf doze

[half imp]

ie life alloy requires a new material that's all 3 mech souls and hallowed bars

[north oracle]

why would you do this

[half imp]

Galactica needs life alloy

[swift wharf]

this is how you become a cal dev

[half imp]

Etc

[crude geode]

Real

[half imp]

it'd be like

[glass arch]

itd be at least doubling every recipe

[swift wharf]

exponential recipes

[drowsy plank]

ur forgetting the hallowed one would take hellstone, jungle spores, evil bars, purified gel, and bones

[north oracle]

and every single underground ore

[swift wharf]

jungle materials.

[half imp]

night's edge bars > cores of sunight/havoc/elum > hallowed souls > core of calamity > life alloy > Galactica > Bloodstone Cores > ASE > auric > MM > Shadowspec

every time you wanna make a Shadowspec bar

you do all that

[glass arch]

you're forgetting the jungle bars tho

[drowsy plank]

just like old cal!

oh yeah make a mat that's just all the bars from DCU

[glass arch]

there arent any jungle bars or dungeon bars to be made into nights edge bars

[half imp]

what the heck

I just melted my form on my jalepeno poppers

Fork*

[golden sonnet]

we should add a jungle bar then

[drowsy plank]

plastic?

[half imp]

yea

[golden sonnet]

and an ore to go with it

it could spawn in the underground jungle

[drowsy plank]

yeah makes sense

[glass arch]

pre hardmode chlorophyte

[drowsy plank]

phytocell ore is real

[glass arch]

but just call it something shitty like jungle ore

[half imp]

Chloroplast ore

[wide river]

Time to show you all the worst quality image of a crafting recipe in history

It's so bad you can't even read it

[half imp]

lol

[glass arch]

GOD

what in the FUCK

[golden sonnet]

Verboten looking ass

[wide river]

It's literally every single material on the Crafting Material page put into the same recipe

And it makes Miracle Matter

[glass arch]

miracle matter needed for miracle matter

[wide river]

How to lose all of your materials for no gain

[half imp]

fandom 101

[wide river]

So true

[grim tusk]

:WHATTHEFUCK:

[random pasture]

Make the sponge take every boss expert mode accessory

[grim tusk]

No

[wide river]

That's Fargo's job

[random pasture]

True

[glass arch]

doze you know what you need to do

[north oracle]

also make it have every effect of the accessories

[glass arch]

how to become fargos soul mod 101

[wide river]

Don't want to install a big content mod for your ultra accessory? Just do it yourself! With these simple steps

[random pasture]

Make miracle matter take 1 of every ore bar

And

1 of every ore

[wide river]

Now THIS is game design

[drowsy plank]

when are we getting the combined fish for super potions huh

[glass arch]

1 of every material aside from miracle matter, shadowspec, and ashes of annihilation

[wide river]

The latter three are required to make anything with it
For extra suffering

[glass arch]

no you just need multiple miracle matter for every craft

[random pasture]

Dont forget every item made from miracle matter needs to require 3

But you craft 2 miracle matter at a time

[wide river]

3.5 mana booster looking recipes

[dense ferry]

MIRACLE MATTER

TO CRAFT

MIRACLE MATTER

[errant bobcat]

Yes this would be perfect rework

Not annoying to do at all

[hollow shell]

@errant inlet auric bar (auric bar)
Auric Bar

Also kinda the whole point is that Miracle Matter is a mix of a bunch of different things to create something new that's greater than the sum of its parts
So it's understandable that not all of its components have perfect representation in the final product, including the Exo Prism metal
It's gestalt, it's alchemy

And even then
Miracle Matter literally features a metal cube in its sprite anyway, in fact it's one of the only things that actually does match up with its components

[wide river]

If Fandom can make you require two Cosmic Anvils to make one Cosmic Anvil then I can make Miracle Matter require Miracle Matte to craft

[dense ferry]

I love the fucking

pi/6 Delicious Meat

Required to craft half the shit in the Mod

[wide river]

Delicious Meat should be part of the Ark of the Cosmos fr

[hollow shell]

I am not sure if the suggestion is invalid because the reasoning is so flawed and incomplete
or if it's just
easy to disagree with in its current state and it's not that bad

It would be good for it to get edited more

[unreal saffron]

I believe he is sleeping rn

Could be a min till he revises it

[wide river]

Maybe just keep it as is for the day, but exclaim it tomorrow if it's not changed

[hollow shell]

I'll leave it be for now until gaspin returns, I'm indecisive

[blazing kettle]

folks how do i leave a thread

[hollow shell]

right click on the thread and hit the leave button

[blazing kettle]

thank you

[hollow shell]

[round ravine]

Ignore what I just posted. I accidentally hit the 'Enter' key.

[wide river]

I didn't see anything

[ripe owl]

Nobody saw anything

[wide river]

I legit thought it was another bot when I went there and I saw nothing new

So I was just waiting for more channels to be lit up

[round ravine]

I was going to make a suggestion to make the Elemental Quiver an upgrade to the Quiver of Nihility, but I didn't think it was good enough to post.

[wide river]

I mean, the Quiver of Nihility is supposed to be a more skill-based sidegrade to the Elemental Quiver

It's obtainable slightly earlier, but it requires more skill than just firing repeatedly

[drowsy plank]

as much as i like making ranger accessories more branching idk how easily you could convince people

[ripe owl]

Isn't uh

Yeah it is Donor item

You'd have to convince the donor for the change first

Then the rest

[drowsy plank]

well no it's

[ripe owl]

[drowsy plank]

making quiver a component of elemental

which doesnt require donor consent bc it's about changing ele quiver

[ripe owl]

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it's exactly what the donor didn't want to happen

[drowsy plank]

lol

[wide river]

It's a donor item, yes
However, it seems as though putting a donor item into a different recipe isn't donor contact worthy
They got the item, putting it into the craft recipe of another item doesn't remove their item

Or at least, in some situations it isn't donor-contact-worthy

e.g Sealed Singularity

Or maybe they did

I have no idea

[fossil finch]

wasnt sealed singularity added by devs to other recipe

[wide river]

Frankly, I have no idea

I just brought it up as an example and I'm not sure anymore if it's a good example

[worldly basalt]

it's used in supernova isn't it?

yea it is

[frosty trellis]

The Heavenly Gale in question:

[half imp]

They already have plans for ele quiver

#1042197406776827914 message

[errant inlet]

I see that rover didn't take the exo prism respite into consideration

Welp

[drowsy plank]

your suggestion isnt flagged but he said you needed to work on it

presumably it will be if you dont make the changes he requested

[errant inlet]

What changes did he request?

[drowsy plank]

i mean he pinged you just check the messaged he pinged you in

[errant inlet]

Well that kimda deflects the whole reasoning i gave

I think ill just delete it at this point

I repeat this again

[north oracle]

i mean... that was kinda expected

[errant inlet]

The point of the Buster chamber was to have a logical material to make the (already planned) exo armor. It'd separate the exo prism into pure exodia and pure metal. But since the entire suggestion was a sis and too specific, it couldn't be taken into consideration so i had to change it into something way more primitive like a respite for the exo prism, whereas i couldn't find sufficient reasoning for the respite because it completely derails off it's beaten path in terms of the original concept

Not to mention that the discussion was still going on EVEN AFTER i said "oh well i didnt know that exo armor is already planned, guess that settles it"

So im just giving up on the exo thing. Sparked more discussion than criticism.

[novel belfry]

it was good discussion

[errant inlet]

But if anything would make me happy at this point it'd be a post exos murasama sheath

I refuse to explain any further

[north oracle]

wasn't there a suggestion about murasama having an unsheathing animation that got ❗

[errant inlet]

Not just an animation

[unreal saffron]

tbh the gunsheath would be sick.

[errant inlet]

Full on accessory that allows you to quick draw the murasama using the gun sheath

[north oracle]

thing is if having an animation wasn't good, having an entire item for it wouldn't be either
it would be cool tho

[errant inlet]

Charge it, release it and you dash forward dealing massive damage and getting a wee bit i frames

But it still counts as a sis so that isn't happening anytime soon right

[unreal saffron]

the stars above mod does it ok, but it is a charge. imo, left click swing, hold right click to sheathe

[north oracle]

definitely not

[errant inlet]

I've used its murasama before, its really clunky

Stars above

[north oracle]

apart from the fact that calamity isn't adding references that specific unless they're donor items iirc

[errant inlet]

Its not really a secondary reference

Its still tied to the murasama

Plus the sheath is a visible sprite you can see before you defeat yharon so why make it so that it just

Poof

Pops into nothingness

Also the murasama as a weapon is fucking lame, it should be more than a 4k damage per x ticks sprite attached to the player

[unreal saffron]

fr

[errant inlet]

I think thats a valid suggestion right

Rework the murasama?

[unreal saffron]

this is murasama in its source material. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U03BLPRIroY

deserves more than a glorified version of the terragrim and arkhalis

[errant inlet]

EXACTLY

[unreal saffron]

to quote sam, the devs deny the weapon its purpose

[small timber]

I dont think the devs want to rework murasama to its "reference source" version

[unreal saffron]

the sheathe effect at 1:45 is the main gimmick of the sword, not the id lock. as gaspin said, it is already sprited, and its sprite, given some tweaks, can be used in game. imo, the murasama is THE calamity weapon, thanks to the perfectly balanced weapon.

[small timber]

it is called a reference weapon not a copyright infringement weapon

no murasama is just shit

I will not call for rework of murasama because it is "not cool enough compare to its reference material"

if it is to be reworked for any reason it is because currently it is ultra shit against the 2 thing you are supposed to use it on

[north oracle]

it's never the best option on any section of exos or SCal

[half imp]

murasama is fine where it's at imo

it's just

true melee sword that is big

that's all it needs to be

[unreal saffron]

so every mod that adds content based off of established ips is copyright infringement. ok, time to take down cal, thorium, Stars above, Jojo stands, Fargos, and the 100s of other mods that add referential items. oh and the base game because of the mario, link, creeper, mothra, etc etc etc representation

[small timber]

those mods are also less big and also don't give a shit

[unreal saffron]

it is shit because it is just a sprite with a hurtbox. we are just putting some ideas out there to make it less shit, while staying true to the source material, WHICH the devs actually care about due to the inclusion of sams id lock

[errant inlet]

^^^^

[north oracle]

calamity has been careful to not make too many full copies of weapons to avoid large copyright issues. some of them are quite close, but they have avoided just copying them straight from the source material

[unreal saffron]

cough cough borderlands cough

[errant inlet]

Hello is dis konami 📞

can we haevs guntrigger sheath

[small timber]

Which is why I said, if it is to be reworked it is to make it less shit to use, not because it is "not close to reference sources"

[north oracle]

^

it is kinda shit to use

[small timber]

Aka make it more functional as a weapon, not "closer to jetstream sam murasama"

[errant inlet]

Tbh I'd just love a rework

Aside from just being a really boring weapon in general

[unreal saffron]

which is what i am saying, along with giving some ideas that keep it true to the source material

[north oracle]

the issue there is "giving it some ideas that keep it true to the source material"
in fact, i think it would come under the umbrella of not suggesting references

[small timber]

^ I think he explained why they dont want it to be close to source material quite well

[errant inlet]

As if the murasama isn't already a reference?

With a tooltip that literally says

"There will be blood!"

[north oracle]

references are good

not direct copies

[small timber]

Yeah basically that

[errant inlet]

then we improve them

[north oracle]

thing is you don't improve them by bringing them closer to the source
you improve them by making them better to use

[errant inlet]

The animated damage dealing sprite is boring as hell and should have a functionality rework to make it more viable for true melee players in one way or another. I rest my case

[small timber]

Improve sure why not
Make it closer/copy of jetstream sam murasama? Unnecessary

[errant inlet]

Doesn't have to be a guntrigger sheath

Just get that ugly sprite loop off my screen

Itd be more fun to kill ares in a way that's different to just falling down and left/right and holding down left click

[small timber]

Tldr ^

[errant inlet]

Oh and can we talk about the exos once again

Nothing to do with how they look

But how they behave

Thanatos is the only mech that holds up in terms of not being semi-afk-able

Ares can be beaten by falling down and dashing left and right every minute to avoid his horizontal thermal ray

The exo twins (hunters my beloved) can be beaten with A FUCKING SLIME MOUNT AND NUDGING LEFT AND RIGHT TO AVOID ARTEMIS'S CURSED FIRE MISSLES

[desert briar]

The whole point of bullets is that they are like flasks. You can use different bullets to get different effects. Adding flasks for ranger just doesn't make sense because bullets already serve that purpose

[north oracle]

i think that suggestion got told it was bad quite a lot earlier

[desert briar]

Well I haven't checked this channel in a couple days

[north oracle]

yeah

[desert briar]

Just got on and saw "make ranger even more stupidly overpowered" and decided I had to say something

[errant inlet]

Yo ryan can you hit the lights your pfp is really dark i can't see shit

[desert briar]

That's the point

It's just solid black

[errant inlet]

🔦

Let there be light

[halcyon zealot]

hmm
but what if you switched on the lights tho

[desert briar]

For some reason messages keep sending before I'm ready to send them

[north oracle]

...just stop suggesting to add anything about guntrigger sheath

[halcyon zealot]

that sugg prolly doesn't follow rules but I see what you mean scrib

[north oracle]

it's not going to happen

[errant inlet]

Were not talking about it anymore

[north oracle]

apart from that, mura needs a rework

[small timber]

Ok I didnt saw that an actual suggestion is posted

[north oracle]

read the suggestion in #suggestions-posting perhaps

[small timber]

Yeah that is even more of a reference suggestion than I thoughy

[errant inlet]

#suggestions-discussion message

[north oracle]

exactly

[desert briar]

Did he just repost the same thing

[halcyon zealot]

lol

[errant inlet]

I DID NOT EXPECT THAT TO BE POSTED

[north oracle]

needs to remove literally everything about it being a MGRR reference

then have some better reasoning

then it could be good

[errant inlet]

No more murasama talk

[unreal saffron]

i yet again bring chaos to #suggestions-discussion

[halcyon zealot]

I share the same sentiment but I have faith it will be given justice sometime down the line

[errant inlet]

Hush

[small timber]

Like if "due to copyright infringement it cant be done therefore do something else" then you can literally just delete everything mentioned about the reference

[halcyon zealot]

lol

[errant inlet]

This was supposed to be a lighthearted discussion

[north oracle]

^

[desert briar]

We don't need more references in the mod

[north oracle]

yeah, now there's a suggestion that we want to make actually allowable

[errant inlet]

I GET IT ALREADY

[small timber]

There will be plenty of references alright

[desert briar]

It IS possible for things to actually be unique without being a reference to something else

[north oracle]

i'm sure there's a ton of donor items left that are references

[small timber]

Like 90% of donor item are reference item and they are only like half way through the list

[errant inlet]

Yeah like the red sun

literally being named after a mgr song

with the tooltip containing a lyric from the fucking song itself

Anywho

Talk about exos

#suggestions-discussion message

Read this

I've beaten master death exos 2 times already

[north oracle]

the point of this channel isn't to talk about your complaints about bosses

[errant inlet]

They aren't nearly as difficult as scal

[ripe owl]

Ok, who asked

[errant inlet]

Its about making suggestions to make them less boring

[novel belfry]

Yes yes, we get it, exo mechs aren’t exactly the hardest boss (somehow)

[small timber]

How large of an arena did you used?

[desert briar]

Wdym boring

Of course if you just hold one movement key and left click the entire fight it will be boring

[errant inlet]

Dug out the left 2nd third of my world to the underground

[north oracle]

how to make them less boring? play infernum or don't make a massive arena

[small timber]

The fight is balanced around using the surface only

[errant inlet]

Stopped at altitude 0 and make border walls similar to my yharon arena

[novel belfry]

Last time I fought them I was literally using the sky

[drowsy plank]

me when world arena

[small timber]

Yes exo can be improved (a lot), but using an arena to the underground is not a very good argument

[north oracle]

when you can fallgod the entire fight it's quite a lot easier

(most fights are easier when you fallgod)

[errant inlet]

"This boss can be easily cheesed but we can't be bothered to fix it so please don't cheese it"

[north oracle]

most bosses can be easily cheesed

[desert briar]

But your suggestion isn't to fix that cheese

[drowsy plank]

[desert briar]

Your suggestion is to alter the entire fight and base it around your cheese

[errant inlet]

A vertical thermal ray going up would solve the entire fucking fight

[north oracle]

it would also make it significantly more bs

[errant inlet]

As in when fighting ares

[errant inlet]

Why? Because you can't fall to avoid everythingn

?

[unreal saffron]

made an edit'

[novel belfry]

IMO the cheese is only really a problem if you can easily stumble upon it

[errant inlet]

Which you can

[small timber]

because when you are not falling you have to deal with attacks that come from above, you basically get sandwiched

[north oracle]

because when using just about the only consistent method to dodge the rest of the attacks is blocked, you're forced to take hits

[desert briar]

Nice job editing your suggestion but not removing any of the problems we mentioned

[errant inlet]

Kid named normality relocator/ god slayer dash

[small timber]

like I said, exo can be improved (and should be), but basing it around an experience purely on a fallgod strategy is not ideal

[north oracle]

you still need to remove literally everything about MGRR from the suggestion

[novel belfry]

It would be better to tackle the actual problems in the fight

[errant inlet]

The point is to prevent players from fallgoding the fight

Holy shit

[small timber]

the mod is not balanced around teleportation (rod of discord)/normality relocator/god slayer dash because making them semi-mandatory or mandatory just fuck over anyone who don't want to use them ir are inaccessible

[novel belfry]

This is also why Infernum DoG pretty much requiring Aegis is objectively bad

[small timber]

what you said was not "this fight is cheesable, make it less cheesable", but "this fight is cheesable which make it too easy please make the entire fight harder"

making ares laser sweep up will be one of those changes because combined with tesla or plasma you will get sandwiched from top and bottom

[north oracle]

^

[small timber]

and "rod/NR/GSD" as solution is not exactly convincing

[half imp]

this

i LOVE infernum dog

[north oracle]

that laser will make the entire fight so so much harder to beat

[half imp]

but the design is bad

[north oracle]

if it was just a bit more doable without a ram it would be so much better

[small timber]

back on topic with the murasama suggestion, I still think too large part of the suggestion is still just delving around "it is not close enough to the source material and is boring" rather than "the weapon is actually complete shit" (which is mentioned only in the last paragraph)

[desert briar]

Side note about the other suggestion: am I the only one who actually really likes using murasama?