suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

wdym that's just jungle armor

[ornate kestrel]

No

The ore

We CLEARLY don't have enough jungle themed ore

So we should put a pre hardmode one

[crude geode]

wdym jungle spores are an ore

[drowsy plank]

chloronite

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmmm

Yeah

Chloronite

That'll do

[drowsy plank]

used to make phytoplankton armor

[ornate kestrel]

Sure

And weapons ofc

[small timber]

speaking of chlorophyte armor I still prefer if they kept the chlorophyte to shroomite/beetle/spectre direct upgrade because finding shimmer can be very unintuitive and many new player/old return player might not even know it exist

but yeah this is a bit off topic

[crude geode]

anyways love that this might lead to the natural conclusion of all 3 of the auric tesla downgrades being reworked, leading to auric tesla itself being reworked to not be 3 armor sets in a trench coat

[novel belfry]

it also feels MORE interesting anyways

[ornate kestrel]

Auric is... Boring to say the least

[novel belfry]

like, these armors feel more interesting by being upgrades to an armor set

[drowsy plank]

this is why we need desert perennial to pass voting

[north oracle]

desert perennial would be pretty cool

[ripe owl]

I.e. we need to stop posting any suggs for the week

[ornate kestrel]

Sure

[north oracle]

oh i have no intention of making any

[crude geode]

same

[ornate kestrel]

Oh no

[drowsy plank]

95 is good for how recent it got into voting, but im woried the drunk princess plate sugg might give it some challenges

[ornate kestrel]

Oh, it will

[ripe owl]

I mean it might still get into the batch

[drowsy plank]

hopefully

[ripe owl]

NNOOOOOOoooOOOoooOOoO!

[small timber]

the dev that made galaxia/ark line already leave the team so I think a further unique upgrade is unlikely

[ashen warren]

oh damn

i didnt know

i just stated this because imo biome blade line is much more interesting and fun to use than ark

and it being used in ark is

[small timber]

but yeah in a more practical sense
most of the "special mode" of galaxia is really like, not very useful

[ashen warren]

underwhelming to say the least

[small timber]

it is unique though

[ashen warren]

im made this sug because im doing a melee run and i think its just sad that prolly my fav weapon is used into something not as unique

[hollow shell]

AotC was designed with Galaxia's aspects in mind
but, I suppose if the devs are willing and able to match the quality of those weps, they can make a separated version and have the weapon lines not conjoin

[ashen warren]

hm, i see what you mean

but if possible i think it will be nicer to give seperate versions of each sword

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I also hate how the BB line is completely vored by ark by Aotc

[ashen warren]

but when are you going to change attunements in scal? or yharon?

i feel like that was designed in mind with the later arena-like boss fights

so it doesnt need any changes imo

[hollow shell]

wdym

You don't need solid ground to change Galaxia attunements afaik

[cobalt pewter]

yeah Galaxia attunements are a free cycle

they already got rid of the biome requirements when it became Galaxia

since they're less biome effect and more constellations effect that resemble some biome effects

[cobalt pewter]

making terminus accessable only post aew sounds stupid

plus it's no longer a boss

[twin cape]

it could be considered as guardian of terminus

[twin cape]

if you dont know in infernum mode terminus is only accesible after defeating aew

[cobalt pewter]

ok and

[ripe owl]

Calamity is not Infernum

If Infernum does something it doesn't mean Calamity's supposed to do it too

[crude geode]

Wdym that’s clearly how it’s supposed to work

[swift wharf]

It SHOULD be how it work

good boss design

[cosmic karma]

i could see it being post scal/exo since thats the latest boss that shows up

[swift wharf]

i mean if you managed to go down into the abyss and get it

you deserve it

[drowsy plank]

yeah

p much like

why

who cares if you get terminus pre boss

we need to lock the chest in hell lab bc what if you get murasama early you could throw it out

[ripe owl]

You could trash every schematic

[golden sonnet]

In order to trash them you would have to pick them up, which means you unlock the recipe for them

[ripe owl]

Nope

You need to decrypt most of them

Which already means you can't unlock all the recipes

[golden sonnet]

I'm pretty sure just picking them up allows you to craft the schematic

[ripe owl]

Oh huh

[minor spindle]

Who goes to the depths of the abyss in pre hard mode without knowing what termanis is then throws out termanis like when you find a new item why would you ever throw it out

[dense ferry]

Who can get there phm without major Return Potion abuse tbh

Btw I feel like suggesting those to inflict Chaos State for the lols but

[minor spindle]

Amidas buff lets you I do it all the time

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah that thing exists

Still

[minor spindle]

Yeah I always get termanis after skeleton

[dense ferry]

Getting the Terminus Pre Boss means absolutely jack shit

[minor spindle]

I think it's locked to post skeletron still

[dense ferry]

Saying it's "not Lore accurate" or that "it's kinda lame" is not an argument when you directly go out of your way just to go get that thing

[minor spindle]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

I can say it's lame to fight Yharon Pre ML, but that isn't changing the recipe

Non linearity is something Calamity always had and will always have

[golden sonnet]

I know it's been harked on already, but who cares if you get it early. You won't be able to get far at all, and even if you could with bugs or something you get...... A rock.

[twin cape]

did i caused this

[ripe owl]

That's a regular event in here, don't worry

[cobalt pewter]

go take a guess

[golden sonnet]

Some posts cause heated debates and insults, this is just a discussion and criticism

[dense ferry]

This

Really isn't heated

[minor spindle]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

Or insultive

We are just talking about the sugg

[minor spindle]

Yeah I've seen way worse on here

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, that's what I was saying "this is just a discussion"

[dense ferry]

I can't read

[golden sonnet]

The OP asked if they "caused this", so I was just pointing out nothing was really caused, people were just talking

[minor spindle]

Yeah

[glass arch]

ok no offense about the suggestion but does op know about punctuation

[swift wharf]

it's ok some people had worse takes before

[bright crag]

We will lock Terminus based on progression again, in the future

With a more effective lock, even

It's just not as simple to do
Will likely be added in an Abyss rework

[dense ferry]

I see

Wonder how the Shrine will be like tho

[bright crag]

We'll see...

[ashen warren]

isnt abyss reworked in the latest update?

[ripe owl]

There's more to come, it seems

[ashen warren]

or does new aesthetic throw me off

[ashen warren]

which is very cool

[glass arch]

a lot of biomes were touched up with worldgen but there is more than just that thats planned iirc

[ornate kestrel]

Soooo

How come the galaxia suggestion is allowed?

[bright crag]

Nope, not really
Just a very complex polish

None of the biomes were reworked entirely

[glass arch]

doesnt break any rules as far as i can tell

it has reasoning other than it would be cool too

[bright crag]

Yeah
It also isn't specific

[drowsy plank]

i guess one could construe it as high effort or specific item if you really wanted to be a hardass about it but it's Fine

[ornate kestrel]

I was thinking about it possibly being high effort

[grim tusk]

I see no reasoning

Also BR KS makes sure you cannot just fight terminus

And this would also fall on removing non-linearity

@mmaatteesss#2084

[drowsy plank]

@twin cape

huh

[twin cape]

?

[drowsy plank]

maybe it's just my phone not loading it but that didnt look like a ping...

[twin cape]

but you cannot just defeat the very first boss

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren A Galaxia upgrade would be extremely complicated to add

[glass arch]

mfw 420k hp king slime

[grim tusk]

Thats exactly what I said, you cannot kill the first boss at that stage

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean just use daedalus sandstorm

[grim tusk]

Not strong enough

[glass arch]

mfw 2.6m hp DS

[drowsy plank]

surely it will never just get nerfed

[grim tusk]

[twin cape]

so thats why i made a suggestion about locking the chest and the aew will be able to unlock it

[grim tusk]

@twin cape

[twin cape]

i even defeated aew its not that hard for endgame

[drowsy plank]

okay u should read. everything else shade said

[glass arch]

the bosses themselves are already a progression lock, you dont need a second one

[twin cape]

you should have scarlet deil and all of endgame weapons/ armor and yummy yummy accessories

[glass arch]

like bullshit you're able to take out a 2.6 MILLION hp desert scourge post skeletron

[twin cape]

but not on aew since all you need to do is just teleport as soon as you get rod

[drowsy plank]

your suggestion is pointless

[twin cape]

i would rather be in hell than fighting this thing

this is second time my suggestion is pointless

[glass arch]

exactly why terminus doesnt need a progression lock

[drowsy plank]

👍

[glass arch]

the sheer hp of everything is a progression lock in itself

[twin cape]

unless if somebody crazy enough to defeat the boss rush pre boss but i dont thinks so

only time will tell

[drowsy plank]

so you see why locking it behind... aew who isnt even an actual boss and they are actively trying to remove incentive to fight from doest make sense right

[twin cape]

then what about to make the void insta kill in pre hardmode till you get into hardmode

[glass arch]

even if you can make it past the 2.6m hp ds theres still the 500k hp eoc to do
and the 1m hp crab and the 1.1m hp eow and yknow you just wont be able to do it

[drowsy plank]

it's like talking to a brick wall

[drowsy plank]

is there literally any reason to do this

[twin cape]

yea so the player would not obtain terminus just like murasama

[drowsy plank]

we just explained why that doesnt matter

for like the past hour

[glass arch]

??? mura already has a progression lock

you can obtain it preboss but you cant use it until post yharon

[twin cape]

jetstream sam can solve that

[drowsy plank]

progression lock on use mind you, not obtaining

that is an easter egg

[glass arch]

do the devs give a shit about balancing around secrets

[twin cape]

no

[glass arch]

exactly

[twin cape]

what about on marksman bullet

[drowsy plank]

what about it??

[glass arch]

marksman bullet? you mean it being pretty good with snipers?

its not unbalanced like it used to be

[twin cape]

what about oathblade aiming based on cursor

[drowsy plank]

you're just listing shit

[twin cape]

i dont know whats the name of that blade dropped from demon

[drowsy plank]

what are you trying to say here

[twin cape]

then nvm

[drowsy plank]

[ripe owl]

How the hell is that related

[drowsy plank]

ok well anyway very funny how there have been 0 valid suggs this week

well recently i mean but w/e

[ripe owl]

How the hell is that even related to Terminus being not progression locked

I don't get it

[drowsy plank]

i think he was trying to say that was. somehow an easter egg??

and because marksman has an easter egg henceforth it should not be balanced because murasama also has an easter egg that makes it unbalanced

or something

i refuse to believe they are actually 13+ with the reading comprehension they have but it's not my place to talk about this

[ripe owl]

I am more concerned about that they're making big accent on the Oathsword "aiming based on cursor"

Meanwhile Enchanted Sword

[twin cape]

so that would make fighting more bearable

[drowsy plank]

lol

[glass arch]

meanwhile LITERALLY EVERY WEAPON WITH A PROJECTILE:

[ripe owl]

How the hell is that related to Terminus being not progression locked

Man I love when your interlocutor runs away from the conversation

[half imp]

this conversation was ???

[glass arch]

i agree

[drowsy plank]

this how sugg-disc work simply

[ripe owl]

I wonder if the guy would just leave the server in a minute or so

[half imp]

got pinged by a dev who said no

continued to argue for the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

i give it a 50/50

he had his suggs shot down before for barely even being ideas before so i dont think this will stop him

[errant bobcat]

Why was galaxia sugg ❗ed

[drowsy plank]

@errant bobcat

[errant bobcat]

Ahhh ok

Ty

[drowsy plank]

best sword in the game

lol

lmao even

[errant bobcat]

At least they said almost

[small timber]

"best sword in the game" that you have nothing to use it on while the only thing you can use it on for some reason is resistant to it

[errant bobcat]

I feel like that would be doable tho

[kindred skiff]

Doesn’t it go against rules

And the reasonin is really weak

[drowsy plank]

im just gonna wait until Shade says it's too much work or not
the fact it's completely aesthetic does make it a bit hard to have reasoning for it

[small timber]

I will be honest I am unsure if this count as "reference" suggestion (since for obvious reason it is a reference, without being an actual reference suggestion) but yeah

[bright crag]

There's also the fact that Galaxia is already pretty close to the endgame

[drowsy plank]

they never explicitly mention MGS just an unsheathing animation which couldnt hurt ig

[small timber]

tldr is they can always just make galaxia viable for scal and exo yeah

just like, buffing the non-spinning modes (aka those that are harder to use)

it is not like pre-Yharon weapon being viable on scal and exo had never been seen before

[kindred skiff]

I mean the animation could be as simple as the blade turning from a dull color to its sprite

[errant bobcat]

Or just buffing it post yharon for those that still want that playstyle

[kindred skiff]

It could be simple but then again it’s kind of iffy

[dense ferry]

Honestly I like the idea of giving an animation for unlocking the Murasama

But yeah this one is way too specific

Just make a simple unsheathing animation and then a small effect

[errant bobcat]

Yea it seems like a cool idea

[drowsy plank]

@deep field you think you could make it a little less specific and elaborate?

[kindred skiff]

It just needs better reasoning

[drowsy plank]

that too

[dense ferry]

I think there is already plenty

The Murasama is an iconic weapon and one you get SUPER EARLY ON

[kindred skiff]

True

[dense ferry]

Finally getting to unsheath it is pretty cool

[errant bobcat]

Less just, it don’t make sense, and more: would provide a better sense of accomplishment and satisfaction

[kindred skiff]

You can also use it super early on

[dense ferry]

Yeah, this

[swift wharf]

you could highlight the unlocked murasama

inventory effects my beloved

[drowsy plank]

so true

it seems our suggestor is. not coming back
well someone else can just suggest it once this one gets flagged for being hyperspecific lmao

[bright crag]

Nope

Weapons should have defined stats, without getting buffed after x boss

[glass arch]

weapon scaling moment

[golden sonnet]

Wdym, I love killing a boss for a 1% drop so I never need to get another weapon

[wide river]

I was going to make that suggestion regarding Divine Geodes today, but I think I should wait until the next group of suggestions are sent to the devs

Just to be safe

[drowsy plank]

makes sense tbh

[golden sonnet]

The odds are good, we might be able to finally kill jungle materials

[wide river]

Surprisingly, both of your Bloodworm suggestions are in the top 20%. I wasn't expecting that

[halcyon zealot]

Drunk scal

[proper granite]

i was thinking if polterghast's permanent upgrade item was given to old duke and more of old duke's weapons had post-DoG upgrades like the fetid emesis does, it would feel more rewarding to go for old duke rather than just doing it for the accessory

cause old duke's drop table and spawn method is weighed like duke fishron but unlike duke fishron its drops dont typically last you multiple phases of progression

[solemn dust]

Some of the OD drops are good for dog

[solemn dust]

With odd mushroom

[proper granite]

that's true but i never feel like its ultimately worth it in the end in my playthroughs since you'll need to kill it several times in order to get the weapon drop which is time you couldve spent just fighting DoG in the first place

and once you kill DoG... well the ranger drop is still relevant cause of its upgrade but i dont think the rest of them are materials

[wide river]

Considering most if not all of the rage and adrenaline upgrades are from bosses that are out of the way, it does seem a bit weird that randomly a boss that is in the mainline progression just gives you one

[proper granite]

well polterghast is technically an optional boss i think but its like how eater of worlds is optional

[wide river]

Like, half of these are easily skippable

[bright crag]

We do have some ideas on how to make OD more relevant

[weak field]

Someone just really wanted to make antidukeron

[solemn dust]

Operator NPC has entered the chat

[bright crag]

Moving the adren upgrade do OD is weird, but at the same time
It kinda sucks that Polter has both a mana and an adren upgrade

[wide river]

I think I remember a dev mentioning that in the past. Something about making OD be less of an event boss and more of a main boss or something like that

[glass arch]

all of em except rav can be skipped to beat the game so yeah

[bright crag]

No, not really

[wide river]

I meant more of a normal player's playthrough, not a low% run
Like, Slime God, Ravager, and Polterghast are really the only ones you'd always fight

[bright crag]

There were two main suggestions in dev afaik, of which I prefer the former
Making OD "lock" Acid Rain tier 3 and improve that event, or making OD post-DoG, as an optional gear-boost for Yharon

[proper granite]

i feel like its very close to the dragonfolly's permanent upgrade too

like the polter perma upgrade

[bright crag]

Not really, unless you're skipping bosses

[golden sonnet]

yeah, providence is in between and a pretty major boss

[bright crag]

Plus Folly's upgrade is for Rage

Aureus and Ravager being way closer by that logic:

[proper granite]

fair enough

i do dragonfolly then polterghast but thats because im a sicko who likes pain

[wide river]

Oh yeah, I remembered about the Murasama suggestion.
It's supposedly too specific in how it wants it to be executed

I also don't think that an animation would work, because I don't think it's ever stated in game that Yharon unlocks the Murasama upon defeat

[fervent orbit]

guh

i go away for 5 mins and theres been an entire conversation without me

this always happesn with sugg disc

[bright crag]

It isn't afaik

[bright crag]

Discord moment

[wide river]

Due to that, it would require the player to either have used the wiki, or just know about the unlock somehow

There could be something similar to Skeletron's status message regarding the Abyss Chests, I think.

Where it just says that the Murasama is ready for use but in a vague enough way that it doesn't tell you outright

[fervent orbit]

what if i just

suggest that rn

[grim tusk]

@deep field suggestion has no reasoning

[fervent orbit]

Make the tooltip for the Murasama clearer

The Murasama is well known for being locked behind Yharon. Despite this, there is nothing in game that tells the player that the Murasama has been unlocked after Yharon's defeat, with the only way of knowing is to already know when it is unlocked or look through the wiki. Because of this, I believe that the tooltip in Murasama should be clearer so the player would know which boss they would need to defeat to unlock the Murasama.

any changes before i send?

[drowsy plank]

you could just do what Eclipse said and give it an in inventory effect that makes it obvious something changed, and then like, right clicking it plays the animation lol

hm

feels weird to have a single weapon get a status message tbh

like

what about roxcalibur

[fervent orbit]

true

[swift wharf]

make the inv item icon animated

[drowsy plank]

^^^^

simple as

[fervent orbit]

should i also include roxcalibur into the suggestion too?

[drowsy plank]

i just dont love the idea

WoF has a ton of status messages too and like

it's ONE item

[golden sonnet]

lmao, WoF 10th status message when

[drowsy plank]

there has to be a better way to handle that

[fervent orbit]

lo

[drowsy plank]

i liked the inventory animation idea

[fervent orbit]

the inventory animation wont work if you dont know its unlocked in the first place tho

maybe roxcalibur message only happens if a player has picked it up in pre hm?

[proper granite]

i like the idea of it being very vague something like "you feel strength flowing through your veins!" and then players remember that sword that needed you to prove your strength and make the connection

[proper granite]

thats a good solution, the message shows up if youve picked up the item in the past

for both swords

[drowsy plank]

status message bloat 😭

[fervent orbit]

cog u brought roxcalibur into this convo

u find a fix

[drowsy plank]

i brought rox into this because i think just making the item shiny in ur chests would be enough

and like yeah i know it doesnt let u know if u already picked it up but also it's also craftable and we dont need to hold the player's hand 24/7

an item animation that you can then right click to "activate" the item feels like it'd be enough

make a "sheathed murasama" and "cursed roxcalibur" or something

throw a status message on em like the plantera keys

yknow?

[fervent orbit]

ah yes tooltips. the most read thing on earth

[drowsy plank]

which is why you have the in inventory animation

if it starts fuckin glowing you might actually read said tooltip bc like wtf no other item does that

[fervent orbit]

whos going to look thru old chests with random shit in it

[wide river]

The Status message that I was thinking of was something like
"A famed swordsman's blade has unsheathed..."
But I can see how something else would be better

[drowsy plank]

why would they do that if there was a status message either???

they'd assume it's something out in the world

because that's what we use status messages for

[fervent orbit]

fine

[wide river]

Oh wow every suggestion today has been exclaimed
It's not going well in #suggestions-posting land

[drowsy plank]

nope lmao

[undone cedar]

Past few weeks tbh

[drowsy plank]

i mean that aint true we got plenty of good ones in voting right now

yesterday or the day before idr which was p good for suggs

[bright crag]

There has been bloodshed. ;)

[drowsy plank]

💥

[bright crag]

Roxcalibur has an indication in its tooltip

[hollow shell]

wait @grim tusk Why exclam on the Galaxia suggestion?

[distant gyro]

status message for just one item feels weird

[drowsy plank]

^^^

shade said too much work

fyi

[bright crag]

I think you should ask for a more clear indication from the tooltip

Instead of status message

[distant gyro]

the thing is like

[bright crag]

Or just a general "Make Murasama's lock condition more clear"

[distant gyro]

murasama is kinda an easter egg enigma in itself

[fervent orbit]

k ill change from status to tooltip

[distant gyro]

despite the community prominence it's basically a meme item

[hollow shell]

Feels strange to me
Feels like that should be a dev vote rejection moment and not an exclamation

[fervent orbit]

a terrible enigma. has no clues

[distant gyro]

or maybe it's popular specifically because it's A meme item

[drowsy plank]

probably both

[wide river]

Maybe instead of saying "ID and power-level locked
Prove your strength or have the correct user ID to wield this sword"
It should say "Only one that is worthy can wield this blade, perhaps slaying a Dragon may open this..."

[fervent orbit]

as calamity gets bigger, you cant expect everyone to know when it unlocks

[wide river]

Just a thought

[swift wharf]

make it drop from yharon if you're named jetstream sam

😈

[fervent orbit]

❗ sis

[bright crag]

Agreed

[fervent orbit]

lo

[swift wharf]

(i want it gone from my sight

[drowsy plank]

i thought referencing Auric Souls would be a cool way to tie in the name giving power and killing Yharon

[distant gyro]

murasama should totally just be preboss ng

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[bright crag]

Yeah

[distant gyro]

[drowsy plank]

terragrim 3!!1!1

[wide river]

I'm not suggesting it, I just think that rephrasing the tooltip would be useful

[dense ferry]

No

[drowsy plank]

lol

[dense ferry]

That would give Lore implications for Murasama

[dense locust]

true, should buff its damage to compensate though

[drowsy plank]

fair

[dense ferry]

And that's the last thing we want

[wide river]

We just got rid of the Murasama from the lore, didn't we?

[drowsy plank]

it would be funny though

yeah

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[bright crag]

Please don't involve lore in a shallow game reference

[fervent orbit]

remove murasama from dreadon lab. implies lore

[hollow shell]

(The systematized valid exclamation for a "too much effort" is adding a whole new boss or biome or somesuch
Not one item)

[fervent orbit]

[swift wharf]

i mean the lore isnt that deep

[dense ferry]

Honestly, if that was the case I would just

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

we could just make murasama a normal not-shoved-into-draedons-shit-for-no-reason weapon too

[wide river]

Perhaps that rule should be discussed in the dev team, and/or rephrased in the doc
It would significantly help with clarity, I'd think

[dense ferry]

Ask for some kind of Attunement Integration into Ark of the Cosmos

[fervent orbit]

ok i got a solution to all of murasamas problems

delete it.

[drowsy plank]

so true

[swift wharf]

make aotc more complex

[dense locust]

of course

[swift wharf]

😈

[dense ferry]

Not an entire new weapon that would also need a retheming for Ark itself since it's not "of the Cosmos" anymore

[wide river]

Trueeeeee

[hollow shell]

I'm irked by the implication that the Ark and Biome lines cannot be touched because nobody on the dev team has the skill or willingness to match its quality

At least let them try

[swift wharf]

aotc's code is id locked

[dense ferry]

I mean

Let me make the good version

[swift wharf]

fires 3 projectiles from the swing
spawns 3 projectiles from the sky
inflicts on fire frostburn plague ichor cursed flames

[wide river]

This surely hasn't been done before

[fervent orbit]

is this better?

[bright crag]

Yeah
It's also a bit arbitrary to claim that one item upgrade is "too much effort"

[fervent orbit]

wair wot

[swift wharf]

my brother in christ
thats 50% of melee weapons

[fervent orbit]

AFUCK

[swift wharf]

I wouldn't touch aotc tbh

I think that it's fine as it is

[drowsy plank]

"wair wot afuck"

poetry

[swift wharf]

🔥 ✍️

[wide river]

Mobile Discord moment

[fervent orbit]

oh wait i did an edit
is this better now??

[drowsy plank]

yeah 👍

[wide river]

Ye

[swift wharf]

the average player already struggles with using galaxia and aotc

so like

[fervent orbit]

you mean bbb and fark?

[swift wharf]

LMAO

[bright crag]

Though yeah I doubt there's anyone in the team with the skill and knowledge to make an upgrade to fucking Galaxia
Hopefully I'm wrong

[crude geode]

I feel like if this happens we’re gonna have the same issue with weapons we do with sprites

[drowsy plank]

the average player struggles making them

[swift wharf]

bro people strugle with bladecrest

the weapon with the strongest homing projectile

[drowsy plank]

no shoot up down why??????

[swift wharf]

😭

[fervent orbit]

i dont got any spelling or grammatical errors do i?

[drowsy plank]

nah none that i saw

[fervent orbit]

i trust u

[swift wharf]

reb cooking up a <><><><><><><><><><><><>

[fervent orbit]

that also means ill blame you

[drowsy plank]

thanks!

[dense ferry]

Make the Biome Blade Line more prevalent into the Ark of the Cosmos

The Ark of the Cosmos is one of Calamity's biggest accomplishments and most praised weapon without a doubt. However, as time went on, something became very clear with it, that being the fact that this weapon has almost no Biome Blade representation, the only part being taken from it being Galaxia, which is the throw. In the end, Ark of the Cosmos ends up feeling just like an upgrade to the Ark line, and not a combination of both items.

So, I propose a change for that, to give Ark of the Cosmos this true feeling of "ultimate sword". As we know, the sword being thrown and coming back is inherited from Galaxia, so why not make this part of the weapon alternate with different Attunements also inherited from Galaxia itself, or the past Biome Blade line. Just like Galaxia, it can be switched, and in several ways the special swing of the sword can be made to complement the Ark of the Cosmos swings in several ways.

This all would make for a more complex weapon, sure, but the players would still be able to choose how they use the sword, and in case someone didn't feel skilled enough to work with it, they could very well default to the Ark of the Cosmos we know today. This would open several new ways for using the sword, too, but still leave its rather simple nature intact.

[swift wharf]

Now let's talk about another point

Balacing

[fervent orbit]

no we dont do balancing

[swift wharf]

Have fun balancing aotc * 6

[dense ferry]

Not really six

Four

[swift wharf]

i know i pulled that number out of my ass

[dense ferry]

And they would still play out very similarly to current Ark

[fervent orbit]

bro the astral attunements already suck balls and ive never seen them do shit about it

wats one more biome blade?

[drowsy plank]

asstral

[dense ferry]

Only one part would change, that being the throw, which would change based on which Attunement you are using

For example, if you use the...

[fervent orbit]

true

[dense ferry]

!wiki Galaxia

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Galaxia

[swift wharf]

mm fair

[fervent orbit]

asstral

[dense ferry]

If you use Polaris Gaze, for example, it could make so that the more powered up hits you got with Ark, the higher would be the damage of the "special" swing

[drowsy plank]

making it simply change throw styles is simple enough i could see it not being too hard to improve

[dense ferry]

Up to a limit, of course

[fervent orbit]

(thats 80% of core hp its not THAT bad)

[wide river]

Jeez that's almost new Terratomere against Polterghast levels of bad

[fervent orbit]

wait i wonder if i can find bb too

[drowsy plank]

ah the old 2:12 on unattuned

very funny

[fervent orbit]

unattuned is still very much usable and thats scary

[drowsy plank]

simple make unattuned unusable

[blazing kettle]

how does this happen

[fervent orbit]

which part

[blazing kettle]

all of it

[bright crag]

This is just unnecessarily complex
Adding more of Galaxia to AotC would be overwhelming
It's great as it is
And the attunements get condensed because it's meant to represent your mastery over the weapon
You don't need to separate its power into several attunements anymore, technically you're attuned to the weapon in its entirety

[blazing kettle]

why are the times so wildly different

[fervent orbit]

first off its from a different update

secondly tbb has always been like this

[drowsy plank]

that makes sense, plus it prevents it from doing Literally Everything

which is a problem with even broken biome blade

it just does So Much Stuff

[fervent orbit]

im attuned to copper shortsword since it shoots 0 (zero) projectiles

[wide river]

"Noooo we must add uber mega endgame upgrades that do everything their components did!!!11!11!!"

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dense ferry]

I don't think that the mastery of the sword would reduce it to just a small fraction of the former blade, and it's not really that complex, I don't think that players would feel overwhelmed when they read something like

"Every 5 swings, Ark of the Cosmos will perform a special swing with different effects, which will vary based on the Attunement the sword currently has"

[bright crag]

Except there's snap, scissor rift, scissor rift with dash, the parry mechanic

[dense ferry]

Well, yes, but all of these are all inherited from the Ark line

[bright crag]

Do keep in mind, some people feel overwhelmed with current

[dense ferry]

Honestly, if that's the problem just

Actually one sec

I need to see how is Big Rip currently

[bright crag]

The visuals of the attacks are inherited a lot from Galaxia
Afaik the swings are meant to nod at Galaxia's, the cursor spin is straight out of Galaxia

[north oracle]

It’s already relatively complicated compared to most weapons

Most melee weapons are point and click at that stage

[fervent orbit]

why does rift even exist again

[olive zenith]

Speaking of... why not make laser swords be able to parry or reflect projectiles? It would be cool.

[glass arch]

because of that exact reasoning right there

[bright crag]

Pretty cool
And it's decently useful in my experience

[fervent orbit]

i didnt ask if it was useful i asked why

[bright crag]

For one, reflecting projectiles is already pretty powerful

[wide river]

I think that's been brought up at least
let me think
17 times between vanilla and Calamity

[bright crag]

Second, it's better fit as an exclusive mechanic to some weapons

[glass arch]

this reminds me how good are phasesabers

[fervent orbit]

NO NOT GIANT PLANT BULBS

[dense ferry]

Honestly idk Ark just doesn't feel Galaxia enough to me

[wide river]

They ignore defense now and are boosted in damage
nothing else

[glass arch]

wrong channel?

[golden sonnet]

Please tell me we can still funny blockswap

[wide river]

Wrong channel moment

[fervent orbit]

what gives u that idea

[glass arch]

oh so theyd probably be better on vanilla bosses

[dense ferry]

I think I have to go now, battery is dying

Bye

[wide river]

The fact that no one here mentioned Plantera Bulbs

[bright crag]

Bye!

[fervent orbit]

bye stip

[wide river]

That and worms, maybe

[golden sonnet]

Maybe they writing up a new suggestion

[bright crag]

Oh, I was saying that to Rebecca

[proper granite]

man i miss phasesabers being regularly used, they were an unintended casualty of meteor being moved post-eow and in vanilla compete with the volcano sword

[bright crag]

I'm staying

[wide river]

This is a mega bruh moment

[fervent orbit]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona3-minato-arisato-makoto-yuki-battle-gif-17813346

[drowsy plank]

phasesabers are truly one of the true melee options of all time

[golden sonnet]

His head made of glass wtf

[fervent orbit]

oh u never seen p3?

[drowsy plank]

they're incredibly Fine and not much else

[glass arch]

phasesabers are hardmode, you're probably thinking of phaseblades which are pre hardmode

[proper granite]

im talking about both

people would use it first for like eow or something then upgrade it and use it for destroyer

[drowsy plank]

both are mid and have no reason to be used over cooler tmelee options that exist

[fervent orbit]

but my funny lightsabre reference

[wide river]

Phasesabers are just sad in vanilla
They never got buffed after being retiered which led to them being garbage against everything past that point

[drowsy plank]

simply steal SLR's rework for them

[glass arch]

i havent ever used a phaseblade or saber

[golden sonnet]

Not in 3-ds

[wide river]

Ah yes
Arch Demons

[bright crag]

Neither have I

[glass arch]

arch demons, one of the enemies ever

[proper granite]

yeah wasnt phasesaber pre boss at some point

[bright crag]

They just need some cool spicy powers

Like SLR has been giving them

[wide river]

3ds version is full of weird progression breaks

[fervent orbit]

phase calamity rework?

[drowsy plank]

phasesaber is preBoss rn if you waste your hell chest meteorite bars on them

[bright crag]

As a true melee option, they're very underwhelming

[golden sonnet]

Old mobile/3ds yeah, don't think it ever was on PC though

[glass arch]

in 3ds, yes

[bright crag]

That effort is better spent elsewhere in Cal

Cal be like

[fervent orbit]

thats fine all just make doze do it

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[drowsy plank]

@half imp

[proper granite]

and so continues the trend of nobody knowing which one is which because they're so similarly named

[fervent orbit]

he did it

[half imp]

what

[drowsy plank]

oh lol

[glass arch]

arch demons dropped crystal shards which could then be used for phasesabers, and phaseblades have been preboss before 1.4

[bright crag]

Phaseblades are meteor

[half imp]

i didn't do phasesaber

or phaseblade

[bright crag]

Phasesabers are HM upgrade

[half imp]

but i could

[drowsy plank]

would be funny

[half imp]

i'd wanna give them a short swing trail and prolly like

a parry gimmick

[drowsy plank]

bc lightsaber

lol

[half imp]

similar to star wars people hitting back lasers yea

[fervent orbit]

give deflect to phaseblades so they are even more like thr thing theyre referencing

[drowsy plank]

🤯

[olive zenith]

thats what Im talking about

[fervent orbit]

can i become cal dev and show up with a phaseblade rework alr done and then leave

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell alr Galaxia sugg unexclamed you guys (notably Venus) provided better arguments of why it should be valid, just remove the randos’ exclams

[drowsy plank]

give them a shitty single projectile reflect every full minute like the evolution :)

[fervent orbit]

nah just make it escarf 2

[hollow shell]

Thank you Shade 👍

[fervent orbit]

30 second cd

[half imp]

an upgrade to galaxia would be

incredibly hard to design

mostly bc you want it to be viable on exos and scal

[serene tendon]

Fr fr, I've wanted a Phaseblade/saber rework for the longest time. This wouldn't be the first time Cal reworked vanilla stuff

[grim tusk]

Try using Mercurial tides outside Elysium with a solid floor

[fervent orbit]

this was a long time ago so no

and also tbb was also tested

[proper granite]

phaseblade/saber rework and its just renaming the hardmode upgrade so people can tell which is which

[half imp]

mercurial tides is funny

[proper granite]

i dont think ive ever gotten it right on the first try

[half imp]

simple

the upgade is "saber" because it is more like a lightsaber

in design

[serene tendon]

Remember the name gets cooler on upgrading

[round ravine]

I have a question regarding the Giant Plantera Bulbs: will the devs make it so that we can't break them in Pre-Hardmode?

[drowsy plank]

renaming phaseblade to flashlight bc they're that pathetic

[proper granite]

i thought they couldnt bloom until hardmode

[fervent orbit]

they alr did check changelogs

[drowsy plank]

#changelogs

lol

[proper granite]

like they become green

[round ravine]

Oh. My bad.

[fervent orbit]

they start green

[bright crag]

And bloom in HM, becoming pink

[olive zenith]

wait a min, but i did break one in pre hard and got pincushioned

[golden sonnet]

Real chill of WoF to just stop the world from going to shit

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt make sense that they bloom when they have alr grown

its more like they ripen

[drowsy plank]

flowers bloom, they were just bulbs before

[proper granite]

imagine taking a big crunchy bite out of one

[olive zenith]

I guess if you break the tile underneath it breaks as well even not bloomed

[drowsy plank]

that how plant work

[fervent orbit]

the flower is barely bigger than the bulb? ok

wait does it get bigger

[drowsy plank]

blooming references the process of a bulb opening

a lil? vertically

[fervent orbit]

plantera makes spores anyway

its a fungi

[olive zenith]

half the plants make spores...

[drowsy plank]

fucked up

[golden sonnet]

Plants makes spores too

[golden sonnet]

This

[olive zenith]

although plants with flowers do not

[golden sonnet]

What about mutant plants the size of a bus

[fervent orbit]

ssshhhh

[olive zenith]

maybe

[random pendant]

it would be pretty cool if on a world that already has yharon defeated, if you resummon them, their spawn animation is changed to some sort of fiery wreath from which they are reborn to fit the whole phoenix thing

[drowsy plank]

fighting bosses again isnt canon

so there's no real reason to do that

i guess it... would look cool, but you'd need stronger reasoning than that

[random pendant]

maybe as its regular spawn animation then?

not in the reason of rebirth but in general

but alr makes sense

[weak field]

Looks cool usually isn't a good reason

Unless it looks really cool or the devs also think it looks cool

[novel belfry]

the fact that the devs decided to get rid of Yharon's "resurrection" despite the fact that he ALREADY still had phoenix themes (the phoenix connection back then was different, but still)

is uh

A

[drowsy plank]

it's not fun mechanically to think you finally beat a boss just for him to heal back to full

for everyone except exactly existing cal fans it probably sucked ass

[glass arch]

apparently fab hated it

[novel belfry]

wonder why

[glass arch]

and i dont blame him the execution of pre 1.5 yharon doesnt seem great

[novel belfry]

i mean

[random pasture]

Well, they first had yharon just bail after hitting the second phase and forcing you to do the eclipse

Which sucked.

[dense locust]

mechanically, it was dumb, but I do think it spread out the pacing of endgame a lot better, I wouldn't mind an inbetween boss between dog and yharon

[novel belfry]

honestly, that bail mechanic could've been better... if there was ACTUAL big content between the fights

[drowsy plank]

i guess if he didnt drop a treasure bag too it could've worked

otherwise yharon drops had to be good on yharon which is
weird for balancing

[random pasture]

Then when you hit the second phase again he just full heals while invincible and goes to the second phase proper, which doesnt really make sense gameplay wise

[dense locust]

it was about the level of "new content" you got after dog, a buffed up event and some usefull drops.

[random pasture]

You dont have to do the thing you could just fight him instantly after and he actually does the whole fight

That is just really strange design

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[novel belfry]

like maybe a good portion of Post-ML, if not immediately after Moon Lord (not tenable since dragonfolly)

[drowsy plank]

plus im pretty sure yharon is going to somehow be involed in the yharim fight i think so
there's your pheonix part

[novel belfry]

iirc that was the last version of that two fights part

[dense locust]

consider that back then yharon was considered the final boss, and scal was technically a superboss, balancing weapons for yharon did actually make sense at the time

[random pasture]

Yeah

[novel belfry]

FFXVI

[random pasture]

They tried a few different ones but all of them just kinda

Didnt work out

[novel belfry]

maybe like what I'm saying, having his two fights spread across Post-ML might've helped with this
perhaps you could fight Yharon almost right after Moon Lord, but you can only get to about half of his health (which would still be about the same rn) before he bails

although there is the issue of communicating this to the player

[random pasture]

Yeah but thats also weird considering the existence of bumblebirb

Who is meant to be fought right after ML as well

[novel belfry]

I figured Dragonfolly c would be fought beforehand

[cobalt pewter]

do note that HM is already bloated with bosses

so pushing folly even earlier would

suck

[random pasture]

Fighting mini yharon, then regular yharon, only for him to bail and you move onto providence

[cobalt pewter]

but

[random pasture]

That structure feels kinda janky

[cobalt pewter]

Yharon's 2 phases could be separated if they didn't do it weirdly like last time

but I assume they don't want to do that

[random pasture]

Also yeah Post ML does have issues of having too many boss fights without much break

[cobalt pewter]

we should have a tea time with dog before fighting him

[random pasture]

Which this would kinda make worse

[cobalt pewter]

but they did say they plan to bring back Yharon in some capacity in Yharim's fight

[novel belfry]

The problem with Post ML is that there's quite frankly ZERO non-boss content aside from the post-DoG events... except that's literally just a material drop and basic buffs instead of ACTUAL new enemies and stuff

[cobalt pewter]

hence the new titles for him

I think for the current Yharin fight, there just needs to be a bigger break between the major phases

not to the point of new fights but just give it something cinematic that will make the phase transition as important as the 2 fights were before

right now once he hits the hp threshold of phase 2 it just

happened

[novel belfry]

which is I am going to suggest the totally reasonable idea and totally not an absurd hot take of moving astral infection to Post ML

yeah like that's ever gonna happen

[lapis gyro]

making astrum aureus harder? no thanks

[cobalt pewter]

since there's 0 tie-ins to major bosses in pml jungle now, time to make plague biome in jungle real

[novel belfry]

fair

[cobalt pewter]

[novel belfry]

OH yeah

[cobalt pewter]

first we get rid of uelibloom

then we put plague on jungle

then we add some lore to justify pml plague

[grim tusk]

Based

[random pasture]

Wait why remove uelibloom

[cobalt pewter]

ore bloat

it's not as bad as perennial but it's still contributing to the whole deal

at least the ore

the items exist rn just to add more stuff post provi and for auric tesla (guh-er)

also the recent changelogs of Tarragon armor losing lore bits might be interesting

not sure what's the direction of that one

[dense locust]

you have acid rain and abyss stuff but yeah

[drowsy plank]

after people brought up killing ueli i still started liking this idea tbh

also "kill uelibloom", "kill perennial"; how about we kill life alloy?

[random pasture]

Wait doesnt that mess with life alloy though

[drowsy plank]

truly one of the items of all time

fuck life alloy

[wide river]

With my current suggestion in voting regarding Perennial, that's looking more and more likely to happen

[cobalt pewter]

life alloy is zany and wacky

[random pasture]

Its weird for what is clearly made of 3 different ores to only be made of 2 in crafting

Which you would have to do if you just move one to post ml

[drowsy plank]

mfw i lock zero items and the items i do lock could literally just be made with my materials and nothing would change

not if we just murder life alloy in the process

[cobalt pewter]

life alloy has nothing that really strongly ties to it thematically

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure that Life Alloy exists solely to declutter recipes

[cobalt pewter]

it's just yet another combination material

[drowsy plank]

elemental weapons i guess??? but also. cores of calamity + galatica singularities + luminite

[random pasture]

True but then what, everything made of life alloy would now just be scoria?

[drowsy plank]

no

kill it

life alloy would be made of air

bc it doesnt exist

[random pasture]

So what your saying is

Remove life alloy and nuke everything made of it

[wide river]

Sure, Life Alloy's tacked onto a lot of stuff, but would adding three separate items onto every Life Alloy recipe be better?

[cobalt pewter]

honestly at that point I don't see much need for decluttering compared to post dog where everything exists

(which makes ase somewhat justifiable)

[drowsy plank]

no just remove life alloy

these items dont even need it to exist

[cobalt pewter]

how about we simplify recipes instead of decluttering them

[random pasture]

So yes things would be made of scoria instead

[dense locust]

so just reteir like a dozen items?

sounds about right

[crude geode]

How about I simplify you

[north oracle]

low% yharon runs just got one boss shorter

[wide river]

Frick, donor items. The bane of Calamity changes

[cobalt pewter]

I'm already a simple organism, you cannot simplify me further

[golden sonnet]

now that I think about it, maybe scoria, cryonic, and perennial should all just be removed

[dense locust]

scoria has reason to exist

the other two

[golden sonnet]

like, none of those armor sets are at a point where they are needed

[dense locust]

really kinda don't

[golden sonnet]

kill them all

[wide river]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again
The devs still have plans for Perennial, it won't be removed

[random pasture]

Ornate shield though

[wide river]

Reaver is good what are you talking about
Hydrothermic and Daedalus I can agree on, but Reaver is fine as is

[cobalt pewter]

Scoria is a pretty good ore conceptually

[golden sonnet]

I have already been over my thoughts on reaver

[dense locust]

scoria's armor can go, I agree with you there, but I think what scoria actually makes you do (revisit the abyss and go a bit deeper) is beneficial to the pacing of the mod

[cobalt pewter]

Perennial is not gonna go to the chopping block anytime soon

[drowsy plank]

no just remove life alloy it literally locks nothing that other items dont

[dense locust]

it does

[drowsy plank]

no it doesnt

[golden sonnet]

you already do that post CalClone

[dense locust]

nah

[drowsy plank]

what does life alloy lock that scoria can't, or that moon lord items cant

etc. etc.

[dense locust]

post calclone you're just rexploring the early layers of the abyss

[cobalt pewter]

I'm fuckin tired of this

I'll compile every single recipes with life alloy and see if anny of them needs replacements

[dense locust]

you have zero reason to go deeper post-calclone

[wide river]

Cryonic can die
Solves the "You can kill this boss now but you can't use anything from it until later" issue and gets rid of the godawful Daedalus Armor

[golden sonnet]

Calclone is when you unlock the new diving gear and drops, scoria you just mine like 5 veins then leave

[drowsy plank]

i was looking at it earlier and some things would need scoria but like. it is a component of life alloy

[dense locust]

okay yes if you replace life alloy with scoria then yes you can cleanly remove it

[wide river]

Is adding Scoria to the LIfe Alloy recipes really better?
That will, in most cases, make the theming even weirder, as suddenly the volcanic ore is crafted into a health upgrade

[cobalt pewter]

I'm fuckin listing everything here and you can't stop me

[dense locust]

alternatively, just make cores of calamity require the 3 bars

[golden sonnet]

unironically based

[random pasture]

Yo based actually

[wide river]

Then we can kill the cores and Life Alloy
Problem solved!

[drowsy plank]

and even then the only items it locks are like; resurrection butterfly, advanced display, barracuda gun, clock gat, hyperius bullets (which are problematic anyway), lucrecia (who needs to die), miracle fruit, omniblade, and high ruler (donor 🤮 )

[random pasture]

Well actually hmm

Cores are locked behind plant, life alloy is locked behind golem

They are not actually the same tier

[drowsy plank]

cores + scoria

there

[random pasture]

So getting rid of every core would be an issue

[dense locust]

cores of calamity unlock virtually nothing when you actually get access to them

[random pasture]

I thought they meant like

[wide river]

I forgot Hyperius Bullets exist
I never use anything other than Chlorophyte and Musket Balls

[random pasture]

Every core

The small ones

[dense locust]

oh

[novel belfry]

oyeah but that's uh it

[drowsy plank]

core of calamity unlocks exactly asgard's valor and deadshot brooch and that is it

[dense locust]

which like

[drowsy plank]

both of which have problems anyway as well so

i see no issue here

[dense locust]

just make those 2 shits require living shards

[drowsy plank]

ez

[novel belfry]

also Astral Infection got ZERO post-ML content

[random pasture]

True

[dense locust]

I mean, tbf

[random pasture]

Though that might change with the biome rework

[dense locust]

once you kill deus theres not much astral could do to really challenge you

we could just move deus to mid-post ml

would fix the weird place in progression it has atm, if nothing else

[random pasture]

Which means every astral bar item needs to be retiered

[novel belfry]

Which is also good

[random pasture]

Ehh?

[wide river]

Honestly just shove Astral Bars into the immediate recipes of Life Alloy
Anything after Astral Bars requires Moon Lord or the Cultist to be killed, and anything before can be crafted immediately after getting Scoria

[novel belfry]

means we can rework those items

[drowsy plank]

the astral items do be dogshit mechanically fr fr

[novel belfry]

Deus now in Post-Moonlord? His bar items better be reworked then!

[crude geode]

the astral do be dogshit mechanically

[dense locust]

actually thinking about it more, might not be a good idea (unless uelibloom goes, in which case the "mining fatigue" wouldn't be nearly as bad)

[random pasture]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Ark of Elements: nah
Blessed Phoenix Egg: nah, you can replace it with anything else if you really want to
Elemental tier weapons: nah
Exotic Pheromones: not necessarily needs replacements, but it can use Empty Droppers instead
Genisis: nah
TBB: nah
donor stuff: fuck em
Miracle Matter: nah
Barracuda Gun: any post golem materials should do, like Scoria
Clock Gatlingnum: honestly Nanites seem to be better here instead of Life Alloy
Arsenal items: nah
Hyperius Bullets: just remove this bullet laoo
Miracle Fruit: (this will be edited later)
Omniblade: (this will be edited later)
Star-Tainted Generator: (this will be edited later)

I wanna confirm what materials are actually post golem

[crude geode]

This chat really vehemently hates donor stuff

[dense locust]

they don't hate the donor items themselves

they hate the rules arround them

[novel belfry]

think its cause ya gotta ask the FUCKING donors to change them

[random pasture]

Ah

[drowsy plank]

oh wait right isnt star-tainted dying or something

[random pasture]

Thats fair

[novel belfry]

which is very very annoying for balance freaks like us

[drowsy plank]

some instant upgrade summoner accessory is dying anyway

so

[cobalt pewter]

wait really?

[drowsy plank]

one of them is

idr which

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[random pasture]

Hey some of the items are themselves very based

[cobalt pewter]

well I'll just consider the current state of the mod for now

[random pasture]

But yeah most things that use life alloy can be made scoria

[drowsy plank]

Freedom Star is Based it is a Cave Story reference and Really Good

[random pasture]

It would just be thematically weird to do so

[half imp]

you don't need donor confirmation for balancing iirc

only for mechanical changes

[cobalt pewter]

this is recipes

[wide river]

We're more talking about recipe changes, yea

[half imp]

i don't think donors get a say if a material is completely removed tbh

[random pasture]

For example making the health upgrades take only scoria is weird

[half imp]

maybe if the material still exists sure

[cobalt pewter]

idr the rules around donor stuff

[half imp]

statis blessing

[wide river]

Actually, now that I think about it, Tenebris got removed last update and a couple of Donor Items used that in their recipes

[novel belfry]

thank god

[half imp]

true

[wide river]

So it's not like there's no exceptions to not changing Donor recipes

[dense locust]

so basically if you wanna change something not balance-related about a donor item, you need the permission of the original donor to do so

[glass arch]

yeah any changes aside from balance needs the donors permission

[random pasture]

Actually speaking of item bloat

[dense locust]

which is a problem when you consider that most people who've had an item added arn't around anymore, left the server, lost intrest in terraria, ect.

[glass arch]

so yeah the donor stuff would need contact with all the donors that got the items

iirc if we cant contact em or if they dont care we're free to go

[random pasture]

Is there really a reason for there to be both depth cells and luminyl?

They both spawn at the same time

[dense locust]

they're slightly different in how you get them

[novel belfry]

two materials in the same place isn't too weird to me honestly

[half imp]

prehardmode jungle:

[novel belfry]

i mean, we have those scrap materials (although they both should be obtained differently now that I think about it)

but as long as you slightly differ in how you obtain them

i think it be fine

[half imp]

honestly... life alloy can live imo

[golden sonnet]

yee

[half imp]

it's a thematic item

[dense locust]

depth cells are strictly an enemy drop, whereas lumin can be mined from the walls of the abyss similar to crystal shards

[glass arch]

plus lumenyl is used for a lot of different stuff than depth cells

[golden sonnet]

I'm a big person for killing items, and don't find life alloy all that bad

[dense locust]

honestly, agree

[drowsy plank]

they exist for thematic reasons, lumenyl is associated with stratus, while depth is more associated with the abyss itself

[glass arch]

life alloy is fine... for now

[random pasture]

I guess

[dense locust]

ueli on the other hand could go and I genuenly would not care less

[golden sonnet]

real and true

[glass arch]

later on id say get rid of it but as of now theres no real reason to

[random pasture]

But honestly the only real issue with the whole life alloy thing is more

[glass arch]

ueli is getting changed sometime iirc

[drowsy plank]

divine geodes + normal jungle mats for current uelicrafts ez

[dense locust]

or just

[random pasture]

If you were to get rid of ueli and move perennial then uh

[dense locust]

remove the uelicrafts

cause fuck em

[random pasture]

Life alloy makes no sense

[drowsy plank]

the uelibloom items have a reason to exist

[half imp]

no we want uelicrafts

specifically

virid vanguard

tarragon armor

[dense locust]

nah

[novel belfry]

Mix Ueli with Silva ffs
Silva's basically the fucking plant goddess, why does Uelibloom have zero relevance to her?

[glass arch]

ah yes remove almost an entire tier of gear because fuck em

[random pasture]

Also that

[half imp]

tarragon armor 100% deserves to exist

[drowsy plank]

blossom pickaxes is Kinda Of Necessary

[random pasture]

Is an issue with this entire thing

[glass arch]

anyways uelibloom is being changed Eventually™️

[wide river]

The Uelibloom items are fine, just the Uelibloom itself is bad

[half imp]

^

[drowsy plank]

uelibloom more like uelisnooze

bc plant ore in jungle

[wide river]

Which is why I'm going to suggest to replace it completely with Divine Geodes after my Perennial suggestion gets a result

[dense locust]

real and true

[dense locust]

in this case geodes would just spawn in hell or smth, correct?

[wide river]

That's the idea, ye

[half imp]

what was the perennial suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

perennial cacti

[half imp]

ah

yea

[wide river]

Here
#suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

[random pasture]

That would actually make sense

[half imp]

i wasn't sure if you meant a different one

[dense locust]

know something we don't?

[distant gyro]

don't think cacti are perennial

[half imp]

shhh

[glass arch]

removing uelibloom crafts would remove like 40 items and almost all of them are directly post prov

[random pasture]

Hey like

[dense locust]

(this was rhetoric, for the record, the answer is yes 8k times over)

[half imp]

L

[drowsy plank]

NICE

[random pasture]

The flower decal looks like the cactus one

So

L

[novel belfry]

I KNEW IT

[wide river]

I didn't even think of that

[drowsy plank]

it's that easy babieeeee 🔥 🔥

[novel belfry]

Cacti are THE ultimate perennial plants

[wide river]

Suddenly it become much better

[novel belfry]

they're truly built for it

Wait

[drowsy plank]

i did look it up actually, perennial literally means a hardy plant. which is what cacti are

[half imp]

perennial, any plant that persists for several years,
yeah that's what i thought it meant

[novel belfry]

i just realized something massive

[glass arch]

the ones that are not are
-Aetherflux
-DSR
-Tacticians Trump Card
-Misltestorm

[novel belfry]

Perennial ore cacti

you break down the cacti and receiveth Perennial ore

[half imp]

you forgot codebreaker

wait

nvm that's post provi

[novel belfry]

(and special/normal cacti of course)

[dense locust]

none of which really have a reason to use ueli in the first place, tbf

[half imp]

but it would stop you from making later codebreaker items

[random pasture]

Make ore trees spawn in the underground desert that are giant cacti

[drowsy plank]

very cool ideas and ive always liked the idea of growing perennial but at the very least we can just move it to the desert for now if the sugg works out

[random pasture]

Breaking them drops perennial

[novel belfry]

yep

[distant gyro]

the material of all time

[wide river]

Again, put Divine Geodes into the Uelibloom recipes

[half imp]

honestly i would love a perennial retier to either late prehardmode or early hardmode, move to desert (prolly early hardmode)

[drowsy plank]

mfw the hardy sunlight plant ore finally actually gets associated with a hardy plant that likes sunlight

[half imp]

agree

wait hear me out

reaver armor is now a cactus armor upgrade

[random pasture]

Yeah but that does mean that you have to make a brand new ore

[half imp]

what

[wide river]

YES
Perfect connection to the tank armor

[distant gyro]

forest
perennial biome
vernal pass
.
.
??
desert

[random pasture]

This

[drowsy plank]

is that what vernal was supposed to be

[half imp]

what does this mean

[distant gyro]

the line of people's thoughts on where perennial is placing

internal and external

[half imp]

oh

[drowsy plank]

i c

[dense locust]

whats the vernal pass again

[half imp]

plantera arena

[distant gyro]

desert is the clear odd one out here

[dense locust]

ah

[drowsy plank]

that's what makes desert perennial so based tho

[golden sonnet]

I think desert perennial is a good idea

[drowsy plank]

[half imp]

obviously bc it has the least content rn

[golden sonnet]

removes jungle ore #76 and gives a neglected biome content

[novel belfry]

time to introduce the infernum natural desert arena

[wide river]

I think giving more content to an underdeveloped area is better than further bloating the Jungle

[half imp]

this

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[half imp]

that's why i had that move scoria idea a while back

[golden sonnet]

and the pop of color would look good in desert

[novel belfry]

YES

[dense locust]

?

[half imp]

crags are still one-and-done areas basically

[novel belfry]

It will make Desert truly epic

[distant gyro]

but perennial is not jungle and generic underground is neglected

[drowsy plank]

green + yellow + reddish orange is literally what reaver armor already looks like lol

[distant gyro]

kinda

[drowsy plank]

generic underground can explode

[distant gyro]

generic underground is just like