suggestions-discussion

[golden sonnet]

yeah, reloading didn't fix but restarting did, discord is wack. I was genuinely questioning my mental state for a bit there before I checked on mobile again.

[wide river]

@twin cape Please don't post joke suggestions.

You also have no reasoning whatsoever.

[undone cedar]

The roblox pfp users

[twin cape]

but this is april fools day

[north oracle]

Idk the rules well enough to know what exactly this breaks

But I’m certain it breaks several

[wide river]

That doesn't matter. Even on April Fools Day, it won't be accepted.

[hollow ridge]

Goofy

[worldly basalt]

and it isnt even april fool's day yet is it?

[wide river]

3 days, where I am.

Or no, 4

[north oracle]

3 for me

[worldly basalt]

timezones don't extend to 3 days so yea

[golden sonnet]

it wouldn't be implimented in time for thenext one anyway

[twin cape]

and its only few days till april fools day

[wide river]

Like I said, it won't be accepted. Joke suggestions are never implemented under any circumstances.

[hollow ridge]

Pfp checks out

[twin cape]

[heady root]

Don’t delete the only chad

To have only waifu

Or just make a rework

[drowsy plank]

no

kill earth elemental

he sucks

[worldly basalt]

replace all other elementals with earth elemental but reskinned

[glass arch]

dont delete Chad Elemental

[blazing kettle]

death to berryboy

[north oracle]

We can’t get rid of big earth man

[blazing kettle]

turn it back into a honse

[drowsy plank]

💥 <- earth elemental after i fucking get him

[toxic pagoda]

Yeah I didnt think my suggestion was gonna be popular

Not a whole lotta Omega Blue + Reaper tooth necklace fans

[glass arch]

rtn is mega based but omega blue is way too glassy for most players

[toxic pagoda]

Another possibility is a lotta ppl stop playing their worlds by that point in the game so it isn’t a relatable experience

[frosty trellis]

RTN has one of the most hated mechanics for any person who wants a semblance of balance

Armor pen

[glass arch]

(omega blue has the same amount iirc)

[frosty trellis]

Omega blue has armor pen? Oh lord

Also Omega Blue's set bonus needs to die so bad it's hilariously broken

[glass arch]

yeah its got armor pen

[kindred skiff]

Why 69 defense

And it has tentacles

[glass arch]

because nice

[kindred skiff]

[frosty trellis]

Stall for Rage and Adren
Does 80% of DoG's health by itself for no reason

[glass arch]

apparently the tentacles name in the code is super fucking weird

[frosty trellis]

See
I would say why
But I don't want to get bonked by a mod today

[glass arch]

im not a code diver so i cant tell you what it is

[dense ferry]

Of course they are

[blazing kettle]

is it a porn joke

[frosty trellis]

Oh I know what it is

I'm not saying it

[kindred skiff]

Yes

[glass arch]

im guessing

[kindred skiff]

69 defense with tentacles

I think everyone knows the implications

[dense ferry]

Half the sprites ingame have goofy ass names and I love that

My favorite gotta be SEAHOE

[kindred skiff]

The Whar

[glass arch]

THIEF is up there too

[frosty trellis]

What

What is that

[sour ibex]

is it that fish from clam

[dense ferry]

Amidias

[frosty trellis]

In reference too

[glass arch]

amidias

[sour ibex]

i knew it

[dense ferry]

It's Amidias

[frosty trellis]

Damn

Well, I mean, if that can be said, then omega blue tentacles are called ||omegaBlueHentai||

Open at your own risk

[kindred skiff]

I fucking knew it

[dense ferry]

Trolled

[glass arch]

ah yep makes sense

i was thinking it was something along those lines

[blazing kettle]

classic mtndrew filename

[frosty trellis]

I mean
It does make it very obvious on what it is
So it does it's job

But regardless we are getting offtopic at this point

[worldly basalt]

someone make a suggestion about filenames so it can continue

[blazing kettle]

what was the original topic?

[kindred skiff]

This chat regularly gets off topic

[kindred skiff]

Idk

[frosty trellis]

(Kill omega Blue's set bonus please it shouldn't be able to do most of dog's health on it's own)

[blazing kettle]

armor pen moment?

[frosty trellis]

It also doesn't have lifesteal cooldown

[kindred skiff]

There’s only been one sugg today that hasn’t been deleted

Sad

[frosty trellis]

And the tentacle lifesteal is hilarious on Yharon

[crude geode]

but you don't get life regen so the average player won't do that well with it

[kindred skiff]

Omega blue is amazing for Polterghast

Especially with the lifesteal

[dense locust]

don't you get blue after polter

[kindred skiff]

I’ve never used it so idk

[glass arch]

yes

[half imp]

cluele

[crude geode]

🐌

[north oracle]

SIS?

[glass arch]

seems like it

[crude geode]

More effort put into describing the item than giving a reason for it to exist? Yep, that’s a don’t

[undone cedar]

Definitely too specific

[crude geode]

I also don’t think exos should drop this considering they already drop exo box

[dense ferry]

They also drop something different which I believe to be much more thematically fitting

Called Exo Chair

[swift wharf]

@bleak mesa refer to the above and read the pins

[wide river]

Sure, the Exo Mechs are supposed to be refined versions of the standard Mechs in design, but the similarities end there

[glass arch]

ye exos have a mount they dont need a minecart

[dense ferry]

Like, movement mount/minecart, but unlike the Mech Cart, built from the inferior fabrications of Draedon and something he deems a failure, also beings that possess a peculiar will on their own, the cart is fast and savage just like them

[wide river]

This might be fine as a suggestion if all it did was suggest that the Exo Mechs dropped a minecart and nothing else

[dense ferry]

While the Exo Chair is a calculated and perfect tool for exact placement, just like the refined Exo Mechs, that are built entirely symetrically, the Chair represents this with the perfect movement it offers

[wide river]

But the part on how it would be executed pushes it into SIS territory

[north oracle]

As it is, it’s just saying this is how it should work and this is what it should do

[dense ferry]

Gotta love coincidental storytelling

One of my favorite genders fr

[wide river]

I didn't even think of that! Quite cool if intentional

[swift wharf]

you are digging too deep into vanilla adding a silly cart

[dense ferry]

Definitely not lmao

[dense ferry]

Again, coincidental

It's kind of like how

[swift wharf]

anyways even if the suggestion was valid, it would be pointless

[dense ferry]

Rage and Adrenaline perfectly mirror Calamitas and Draedon

[swift wharf]

draedon doesn't have hormones

[golden sonnet]

he has nanites though

[drowsy plank]

@bleak mesa bro literally just use cart of the gods

[dense ferry]

Raw emotion with more esotheric theming and red colored vs Specific substance with electrical theming

[kindred skiff]

This sugg is an amazing suggestion that totally doesn’t go against any rules

[swift wharf]

me when being in a rage makes your body release adrenaline

[wide river]

Perfect that they respectively drop an accessory that unlocks said mechanic in Normal Mode

[swift wharf]

oh my fucking god

[drowsy plank]

the worst part is we literally already have a Big Minecart item anyway

[swift wharf]

adrenaline has nothing to do with draedon 😭

[kindred skiff]

Is draedon a robot

[swift wharf]

nanomachines, sure

[dense ferry]

Literally yes 😭

[swift wharf]

but adrenaline make no sense

do you even know how your body releases adrenaline

and it's 100% a case of intentionally adding an item

go back to lore disc or smth

[dense ferry]

Electrical theming, an actual substance that your body releases instead of just a raw emotion and the colors loosely resembling some stuff Draedon made

[swift wharf]

aauuuuugh

yes my body releases adrenaline only when I want

[dense ferry]

Again

[swift wharf]

[dense ferry]

This is just coincidental

And I am just pointing these things out because I find them cool

Thanks wi-fi

[swift wharf]

I'm saying it's intentional

not coincidental

[bright crag]

500 damage (it tickles mobs)

[swift wharf]

zo zrue

[bright crag]

I feel like Cart of Gods is enough

[kindred skiff]

The what

[glass arch]

yeah cart of gods is more than enough

plus exos already drop a mount so like

[swift wharf]

exo rails

add exo rails

lightspeed transportation method

[distant gyro]

[swift wharf]

[distant gyro]

(snow ruffian blj tbh)

[swift wharf]

((huh

[golden sonnet]

snow ruffian walked so that glorious end could run

[swift wharf]

i rember now

[distant gyro]

snow ruffian is objectively better at smashing your keyboard

[weak field]

SIS gaming

[wide river]

Is there an exploit with Snow Ruffian that I'm missing here

[weak field]

You used to be able to go on a minecart with snow ruffian then spam spacebar

[golden sonnet]

there was one with minecarts where you flew across the world

[weak field]

You would accelerate to infinity extremely fast

[golden sonnet]

that's why I said this

[distant gyro]

pretty old at this point

[weak field]

How old is it

Half a year?

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I'm SIS gender, how could you tell? 😎

[wide river]

Funny how many infinite speed exploits there are

[weak field]

Oh my god it was back in like 2021

Man why does time pass

[wide river]

Let me go just commit an "Endless Now", I'll be back in less than a second

[ripe owl]

@bleak mesa the suggestion might pass if you remove the specifics about minecart stats

Into the voting, I mean

Because it'll probably never pass through the devs

[grim tusk]

BLJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wafxSLEb4gY

[ripe owl]

Wasnt it patched?

[grim tusk]

Yes, ages ago

Acrobatics pack + glorious end still exists

[wide river]

This is like the fifth infinite speed glitch
Whenever one is patched another takes its place

[hollow shell]

that was left in intentionally cuz it's funny right?

[wide river]

"It's not a bug, it's a feature"
So sayeth the Known Bugs list about it

[glass arch]

adding hellfire treads combat effect to tracers is an awful idea for fire debuffs

[north oracle]

^

just make fire builds even better

[grim tusk]

Yea this is 100% going to get rejected due to balancing reasons

(Tracers are already kinda busted due to opportunity cost benefits)

[wide river]

It's also just "Make Zenith Boots"
Which in of itself is a problem

[dense locust]

wait hellfire treads actually do something

[glass arch]

doubles the dps of fire based debuffs iirc

[dense locust]

oh

[north oracle]

amphibian boots are already really good for non wing builds

[dense locust]

cool

[glass arch]

adding amphibian boots for extra vertical ms is also just making it into wings but better methinks

[wide river]

Boosts fire-based debuff damage by 1.5x

[icy sand]

That's what i said

[icy sand]

Fr?

[grim tusk]

@icy sand frog leg is nerfed in Calamity, also this would be horrible balance wise

[grim tusk]

x1.5

[glass arch]

you said the cosmetic, not the combat

[wide river]

The Dunerider part is also like
why
At the point that you can get Elysian Tracers, you aren't making sand arenas

[grim tusk]

Cal buffs em

[icy sand]

I didn't know they changed it in Calamity, i mentioned only the cosmetic

[wide river]

Also the ascent speed is far more broken than you think
Soaring Insignia had to be nerfed twice because of it

[icy sand]

It's just kinda sad for them to be useless, isn't it?

[small timber]

dunerider also is discovered to stack on top of hermes boots speed

[grim tusk]

Also pretty sure since tracers count as wings and Cal universally gives wings jump boosts too

[grim tusk]

(71 mph)

[small timber]

as in you get both dunerider + hermes and you run faster than them alone

[wide river]

Not all accessories need to be useful at all points in the game

[icy sand]

Mhm

[icy sand]

Dunerider is never useful

At all

I have never seen it used

[grim tusk]

I want to kill Rotten dogtooth

[icy sand]

once

[ripe owl]

They only mentioned the cosmetic effect though?

[small timber]

dunerider is not useful only because it dont have any upgrade that inherit its speed, it is insanely good

and I think it is better to keep it that way

[ripe owl]

Hell, they don't even talk about Calamity effects of the boots

[wide river]

Dunerider is useful for Sand Arenas for King Slime and Eye of Cthulhu
It can be used for nearly every later boss, but with different setups

[icy sand]

Ok but who the hell actually does that?

[grim tusk]

He didnt know Cal makes em give x1.5 fire DoT mult, and if it was just cosmetic he would have mentioned flame walker instead

[swift wharf]

kid named asphalt

[small timber]

inb4 it also want flower boots in it

[grim tusk]

People who would fight em on the DS arena

[icy sand]

maybe if there was a way to disable the effect when you want to

[small timber]

you can also intentionally make the bottom of your arena sand so you can capitalize on it

[wide river]

Config

[small timber]

and it is legit useful even in hardmode

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

you dont have to make it a full on desert, just the first block at the bottom of your arena is sand

[glass arch]

cal adds effects to fairy and hellfire treads

[small timber]

fuck I just realise it is something I should had done in my pt

[icy sand]

What does it add? I know Hellfire

To be fair the wiki doesn't mention shit on vanilla items

[glass arch]

!wiki vanilla changes

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vanilla_changes

[ripe owl]

Fairy Boots now attract fairies

[wide river]

Maybe make it not a percentage damage boost and instead a flat damage boost

[north oracle]

and give regen and defence buffs

[glass arch]

each fairy grants buffs

[ripe owl]

That do funny things to you that are considered somewhat broken

[north oracle]

makes is generally better than terraspark

[icy sand]

Huh neat

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure they're better than Angel Treads in some cases

[glass arch]

fairy boots are more than useful up until post moon lord and even then they're still useful

[icy sand]

Ah well, was a good food for thought idea

[swift wharf]

fairy boots are the best boots in the entire game

surpasses angel treads

[icy sand]

Now you're trippin unless you're not including anything past Terra

Elysian

[swift wharf]

anyways cringe suggestion

[icy sand]

Is so much better

[icy sand]

Ok cringe pfp

Scrub

[glass arch]

Do Not

[swift wharf]

slapping every goofy effect into elysian tracers is fucking boring

[wide river]

Let's not stoop to petty insults, shall we?

[small timber]

fairy boots is the best boots for most of the game, at least you can use it for the majority of hardmode

[swift wharf]

just

add more boots

instead of bloating the seraph line

[north oracle]

ah yes the least useful set

[small timber]

after angel treads you can choose to use it over fairy boots, and even then fairy boots is still good

[glass arch]

elysians need a buff for sure but making em into the pretty much zenith boots isnt a great idea

[swift wharf]

elysian needs no buffs

[wide river]

Elysian Tracers are apparently worse than just having Silva Wings regardless of class

[swift wharf]

keep it being mid

noob bait

[north oracle]

they are

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

and yes, combining everything into a single gigantic amalgam accessory with way too many effect than it actually deserve that is broken beyond believe is boring, just look at rampart of deity

[dense locust]

rampart is like

[north oracle]

fargo's be like]

[wide river]

Old Amalgam be like

[dense locust]

technically its 6 accs but it really only feels like 3

[small timber]

fargo solved it by making 90% of the combined effect completely irrelevant

[frosty trellis]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Seraph's are fine although get outclasses post provi by tarragon wings and elysian wings due to similar in flight horizontal movement with way more flight time
Elysian are DOGSHIT, Slower in air than Silva Wings at base with less fight time and with 50% ms are only about 6-8 mph faster

(And then yeah Celestial Tracers are dumb but that's iframe reasons rather than movement speed buffs as without the iframes it and drew's have their benefits and are interchangeable depending on their playstyle)

[grim tusk]

Only Elysian sort of need buff

[small timber]

Elysian Tracer is also usable on a single boss

[grim tusk]

Seraph and Cel no

[icy sand]

Yeah idk why Silva are so strong compared to them

[swift wharf]

remove elysian

ez

[frosty trellis]

Seraph is fine
C.Tracers kill the iframes
Elysian needs to be re-tiered earlier and buffed

[north oracle]

seraph are nice because guardians and provi have a lot of horizontal stuff

[dense locust]

since paladins shield does fuck all in singleplayer and charm of myths/star veil may as well be one acc each

[swift wharf]

kill combo accs kill combo accs kill combo accs kill

[cobalt pewter]

isn't cel the weird one

why does it have iframes for no fucking reason

[frosty trellis]

Because Elysian will always been outclassed on Yharon due to Yharon being a battle of veritcal mobilty and not horizontal

[wide river]

That was suggested at some point, wasn't it?

[icy sand]

Frozen Turtle is hella based in multi

[small timber]

seraph is like, ok, if not because 2 of the major boss at that stage reduce flight time

[north oracle]

because apparently it needs to be more viable or something idfk

[small timber]

so your already nothing flight time get reduced to even more nothing

[wide river]

Suggested to get moved to like Sentinel-tier or something

[glass arch]

it needed to be better iirc, but elysians have no compensation for being absolute ASS

[swift wharf]

just remove them.........

[grim tusk]

Yes, rejected quite badly

[swift wharf]

elysian wings are better anyway

[glass arch]

it would be really funny if elysian wings were better than elysian tracers

[icy sand]

Eclipse everything you've said has been kinda mid

[north oracle]

[icy sand]

no offense

[swift wharf]

so true

so true and real

[north oracle]

i mean the sug is mid

[swift wharf]

even truer

[glass arch]

wow they are almost better in terms of raw stats what the fuck

[wide river]

I really need to learn how to sprite to give sprites for God Slayer Jetpack
I'd prefer that over another tracer upgrade

[frosty trellis]

Elysian Wings are better than seraph tracers but also seraph tracers are somewhat hard to justify when guardians and folly aren't really horizontal mobility fights and Provi is barely one
Not to mention lunar wings give Damage And Other Useful Benefits which makes seraph tracers not really worthwhile

[swift wharf]

tbf celestial tracers is goofier

[north oracle]

guardians phase 1 is very much horizontal tbf

folly is very vertical tho

[small timber]

the only boss I will legitimately use seraph tracer on is like, DoG

[wide river]

Then we could make Celestial Tracers an upgrade to just the Seraph Tracers, and remove the Elysian Tracers

[small timber]

for all other bosses there is close to no point in having horizontal speed

even DoG is a stretch because to deal max DPS ideally you need flight over horizontal speed but boots do help

[glass arch]

(elysian wings have 5% less horizontal ms bonus compared to elysian tracers and have higher stats in nearly every other regard)

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

I wouldn't even use it on DoG because Tarragon Wings have more than fine enough horizontal mobility and are better from infinity strafing and extra flight time when DoG reduces it in some parts

[wide river]

Maybe Elysian Wings could give a damage boost, make them an offensive counterpart to Tarragon Wings

[swift wharf]

remove elysian tracers and just add another post dog wing

ez

[frosty trellis]

This tbh

[dense locust]

I would just use starboard on dog like fucking dumbass

[icy sand]

Yeah wings being better than the Boot + wing accessory line makes no sense unless you took away the built in wings inside the Tracer line and buffed to compensate

[swift wharf]

no it makes a lot of sense

because you get boot and wings

[icy sand]

I can't wear Tracers with wings

[wide river]

So true
Remove the "Everything needs to be upgraded" stigma of beating DoG

[swift wharf]

SO FUCKING TRUE

[glass arch]

if only a sprite was submitted and accepted in calart

[swift wharf]

i want asgardian aegis DEAD

NOW

[dense locust]

litterally just say fuck all the post-dog upgrades

[swift wharf]

it's funny because at one point Asgardian was worse than elysian

[wide river]

Because a lot of the submissions were from before the Exodus, maybe they should get re-evaluated

[frosty trellis]

I'm fine with the boot + wing having less fight time
I just don't see a justification to use them due to the lack of shit that needs horizontal mobility and the fact I will just use angel treads anyways because then I get EVEN MORE FLIGHT TIME and similar if not the same mobility while keeping my damage/defensive benefits for Seraph

The only tracers rn that are worth using are Celestial, and that's not even in part bc of the iframes, it's in part because of Exo Mechs being a very mobility heavy fight and some people like them on SCal like myself for post bh4

[icy sand]

How are you guys gonna balance the unlimited ROD from 1.4.4

[glass arch]

id ask permission to resubmit some of them but i dont do much stuff in calart

[icy sand]

It's gonna be chaos lmao

[wide river]

It'll be post-boss rush

[glass arch]

move it to shadowspec so they dont have to worry about it

[wide river]

Wait no

[icy sand]

Boring

[wide river]

Yeah

[icy sand]

How mid

Zenith got done dirty

[dense locust]

no not really

[glass arch]

nah it just got hit by a pierce bug

[frosty trellis]

Zenith was moved to post Auric so it would be in the same power level as other weapons without it having to be nerfed and make the community outrage

[wide river]

I apologize that the absurdly broken stuff is getting moved to a later tier to not be absurdly broken

[glass arch]

unbugged zenith sounds like a fucking monster

[dense locust]

I remember zenith was innitially gonna be post-polter before the whole post-ml rebalancing thing happened

[swift wharf]

so true can we debloat the zenith recipe

[frosty trellis]

It's currently underpowered only because of the pierce bug which makes it do way less on Thana and Ares, but that's a bug and of no fault of it's own and would be great on exos without it

It's also top 5 weapons to shred scal's seekers with

[glass arch]

randomly it becomes god tier for exo twins apparently

[icy sand]

Calamity used to be a shit ton harder, not even with Malice

[swift wharf]

this is truly relevant to the current topic

[icy sand]

Ok and?

[glass arch]

this is truly relevant to the current topic

[icy sand]

I agree

Yes

[frosty trellis]

Pre 1.5 cal I hear was.... Something else and was also just not really that good due to all the inflated stats

[swift wharf]

the curve....

the 5 million health bosses.....

[wide river]

Ah yes, a casual 8000000 health

[icy sand]

Talking about a weapons balance isn't relevant to the discussion of past balancing, ok guys

[dense locust]

imo pre 1.5 cal did some things better, post-dog was a bit less bloated and I think the pacing was a tad bit better but for the most part yeah

[small timber]

post-DoG having more bloat is the nature of donor weapon getting added

[dense locust]

nah thats not what I mean

[swift wharf]

[wide river]

Donor items
The scourge of balancing

[glass arch]

post dog ranger being made of 90% donor items

[swift wharf]

i mean you could say it was less bloated because a lot of shit sucked

[frosty trellis]

Actually it's only 55% byeah

[dense locust]

a bunch of shit that used to be post-yharon got moved to post dog when they removed the yharon refight thing

[small timber]

the "inflated stats" is not a problem whatsoever depend on how the mod is balanced, if you deal 100k dps to 8M HP vs like 25k dps to a 2M health then there is no functional difference

only thing it does is to make earlier tier weapon more viable

[glass arch]

you could say its less bloated because stuff from previous tiers wasnt viable

[swift wharf]

concerning number

[glass arch]

yeah because the forced refight fuckin sucked

[dense locust]

true

[icy sand]

All I'm saying is that they could've done Zenith a little better

[swift wharf]

tbf tbf tbf it stretched post ml a bit

[drowsy plank]

truly one of the suggestions of all time

[dense locust]

but some stuff getting moved to post-dog I just kinda think was unnecessary

[drowsy plank]

aren't we getting new boots soon anyway

[small timber]

post dark sun item was in an awkward stat because they are basically used for 1 boss and then immediately unviable on scal (because scal stats are way higher)

[icy sand]

The easy way out was doing what they did

[small timber]

and it is a post-Yharon P1 item used on Yharon which make it even more awkward

[dense locust]

like the set of dreadon weapons that got retiered for whatever reason

[wide river]

Soon™️

[drowsy plank]

if it's so easy just go make a mod to do it yourself

[swift wharf]

they could've nerfed zenith but everyone and their mother would've complained about it

[glass arch]

what was the other option then? nerfing the stats? thats also pretty easy to do
adding new weapons to the recipe? also really easy to do

[swift wharf]

my zenith !!!!!!

[small timber]

and of course yharon's item have to be balanced to be weak against scal because you get 1 treasure bag for beating P1 (aka: yharon's own treasure bag is only viable on yharon, again)

[frosty trellis]

No, not really. Zenith being moved makes perfect sense bc people want to use their op vanilla sword on cal bosses so why nerf it and keep it on the same tier and make the playerbase outrage? Just simply re-tier it, don't change the stats, and it can be used on every boss with it's broken power level for vanilla in cal with no problem

[icy sand]

No I get that, but Post Yharon is a bit too far to me

[frosty trellis]

That's where Zenith was balanced

[half imp]

tracers get more from speed boosts than wings tho

[frosty trellis]

And then

Again

It's usable

[half imp]

they flat out scale more

[frosty trellis]

On everything

[swift wharf]

move it to post dog

(it fucking sucks for yharon)

((lmao!))

[frosty trellis]

So people can use their op sword
On everything
Without it having to be nerfed whatsoever and then the playerbase is fine

[wide river]

Yet strangely is good on Scal Seekers

[small timber]

I think I explained something before about how it will be ultra shit to be post-DoG

[dense locust]

I actually in general have a problem with so many cal bosses dropping weapons for virtually zero reason, like, prov already unlocks 3 separate new materials, did she really ALSO need to drop weapons

[swift wharf]

and then people would complain that it's too weak for yharon

[wide river]

Hive Mind/ Perforators:

[north oracle]

it would be a funny weapon that kills exos faster than yharon probably

[frosty trellis]

The Anomoly's Mother Fucking Nanogun:

[drowsy plank]

am i hearing calls for weapon deletion?

[wide river]

Donor items
Comedy

[dense locust]

mayhaps

[swift wharf]

but all bosses must drop weapons for all classes ?!!!??!???!!!!!!!!

[frosty trellis]

Cog if he could delete half of cal:

[small timber]

weapon dropped by bosses can be more properly themed towards the boss, + it allow people to play the game without abundant amount of crafting

[icy sand]

Still am salty about the ore set mining speed buffs being removed

[wide river]

Unfortunately that hasn't gone well the past few batches of suggestions
Every one has died because some other suggestions get higher votes

[icy sand]

That was the shit back in my day

[small timber]

because crafting is really obnoxious for new player who just want to try out everything to find 50% of them unviable, 80% of the viable ones not belong to their class while also stocking up crafting cost

[swift wharf]

miner armor:

[dense locust]

which is why exo's totally had a summoner drop on launch... right?

[drowsy plank]

hey, not true, personally, i like reworking things, the problem is the team has a lot of work on them already, so just deleting bad items improves the situation exponentially

id rather have 25 really good items than 100 bad ones

[wide river]

I legit wish that bosses didn't unlock things for all classes, it just seems better if every class didn't have to fight the same bosses on all playthroughs

[icy sand]

Melee players when their mining set has 3 or 4 defense:

[drowsy plank]

i fight all bosses anyway bc

funny

but yeah having the choice would be nice

[icy sand]

Gladiator doesn't feel like a Rogue set

[drowsy plank]

how

[icy sand]

Like I look at it right

The asthetic

[frosty trellis]

Okay correction:
Cog if he could delete 90% of the donor items that exist:

[drowsy plank]

NOW you're speaking my language

[icy sand]

It feels like it should be Melee

[dense locust]

actually in this case I'd be pushing to just fucking axe Uelibloom as a material

[frosty trellis]

[drowsy plank]

they literally throw spears

[swift wharf]

SO TRUE

AND REAL

[icy sand]

To weaken shields

Bro

Who

[swift wharf]

pre summon weapon exos sob sob sob

[drowsy plank]

it IS weird how provi gives you a rock and then you go mine another rock lmao

[icy sand]

Which enemy even uses shields

The Paladin?

[drowsy plank]

???

gladiators throw spears

[dense locust]

like if they wanted there to be mining post-prov

[drowsy plank]

rogue used to be throwing

simple as that

javelins used to be throwing damage

[dense locust]

just make divine geodes spawn as a rock in hell or smthn

[wide river]

This'll never happen, unfortunately, because players feel like they always have to be progressing for everything they do

[wide river]

Ok but actually though

[drowsy plank]

would be zased

[swift wharf]

or hallow

and hallow*

[wide river]

Simultaneously axe Uelibloom and make Divine Geodes more prominent of a material

[swift wharf]

nor hallow nand hallow

[icy sand]

Is it me or does Gladiator look more like a Spartan set?

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck does that even mean dude

[wide river]

Well no
Because
It's supposed to be based off of Gladiators in ancient Rome
They weren't Spartans

[icy sand]

Have you ever seen what the Spartans wore as armor?

[drowsy plank]

yo wait if we killed uelibloom and move perennial to a post-ML GSS you can still have a plant ore for that tier without needing to change the recipe

[icy sand]

No I know

[dense locust]

doesn't help that half of the items that use uelibloom don't actually have all that much to do with the material

[icy sand]

It just looks more like Spartans than Gladiators to me

[wide river]

OH MY GOD THIS IS ACTUALLY THE BEST IDEA FOR THIS

[small timber]

if keeping only 1 of divine geode or uelibloom I will rather remove divine geode

[dense locust]

the difference between the two

[wide river]

In combination with my Perennial Desert Idea, that instantly gives the Desert more uses, and makes the Jungle less prominent

[small timber]

providence is a very taxing boss to fight even after obtaining post-tier gear (unless you are way ahead like post-DoG)

[dense locust]

is that once actually fits prov

[small timber]

then make divine geode replace uelibloom and become the "ore" that generates

[dense locust]

the other was tacked on after they decided pbg shouldn't spawn an ore anymore

[dense locust]

exactly what I was thinking

[icy sand]

Yeah she's the boss that always takes the most attempts for me

Those god damn -200

Fucking crystals

Completely ignores

D E F E N SE

[wide river]

Providence is quite fine to fight if you do her in the Hallow
It's possible RoD-less, even without facetanking the laser

[small timber]

have you played the game

like, in the last 2 years

literally

[small timber]

in case it wasnt clear I am referring to this one

[stable kiln]

yeah those were removed a while ago :P

[icy sand]

I'm talking about that one attack

[small timber]

they also dont know about hellfire treads/flower boots and was suggested for them to be combined into celestial tracer

so really, have you played the mod like, recently

[icy sand]

where they radiate out from her, and -300 damage you

[icy sand]

I literally just finished a multiplayer run

3 days ago

[small timber]

the defense ignored attacked was removed like 2 years ago

or maybe 3

[icy sand]

The one where it subtracts health from you?

[small timber]

it now deal "normal" damage and is subjected to defense and DR like any other attacks, and of course you now get iframe from it

[stable kiln]

definitely not that much, but its been a while

[small timber]

which is why I ask if you had played the mod recently at all

[swift wharf]

unless you're in like

1.5(?)

[stable kiln]

lmao

[small timber]

or they are using pre 1.4 tmodloader somehow

[swift wharf]

idk whwn they got removed

[dense locust]

wdym "somehow"

[icy sand]

It still does the same thing

How much does it do

[dense locust]

it does not

[icy sand]

Without defense

compared to with

[small timber]

which is exactly what I meant

to play 1.3 legacy version you have to intentionally turn it on

[icy sand]

It and that holy lazer, are literally the only troubling things about her

[golden sonnet]

depends on your defense ofc

[small timber]

rather than it being the "default" version

[icy sand]

Mhm

She emits waves of damaging Cocoon Stars in all directions, with additional stars fired directly at the player. The number of stars increases as she loses health.

How much

Bro

[golden sonnet]

what are you asking?

[wide river]

Are you wondering how many stars are fired, because if so then that is an incredibly difficult number to measure

[swift wharf]

they deal 244 damage in rev

[icy sand]

How much does she do with those stars each, say with 200 def

[icy sand]

With 0 defense?

I call bullshit

[swift wharf]

yes

[icy sand]

I ran Melee

[swift wharf]

it's
in the wiki

[small timber]

94 damage, assuming you have 200 defense and 0 DR (which you definitely will have DR)

[wide river]

Damage stats for providence

[drowsy plank]

well if you aren't just playing a old version then uh

[icy sand]

had 250 def, still did like 200

[swift wharf]

skill is

[icy sand]

Ok

This is weird af

I literally just played with this bullshit

I swear to god

Ran melee

[drowsy plank]

the post-ML boss when their attacks still actually deal damage

[icy sand]

Does a 1/4 of hp

[drowsy plank]

idk you playing in master or something lmfao

[icy sand]

Master Rev

[drowsy plank]

LFMASOf;jlksdjvlghk

YEAH NO DUH BRO

[dense ferry]

the ability to do something well.

[wide river]

Then that explains it

[crude geode]

[icy sand]

Ok good

I thought I was trippin

[wide river]

Plays on non-balanced difficulty
Complains it does too much damage

[drowsy plank]

me when x2 flat damage increase on all enemies

[small timber]

then you bring it to yourself yes

the mod is balanced around expert rev, and not master rev; to play master you simply have to play with the fact that enemy have inflated stats, and you choose to do it

[golden sonnet]

I wish the stars did negative heals still so in master mode you lose 366 health per star

give the master players what they want

[dense locust]

I want a small but impactfull stat boost not torture

[icy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-in-distress-emoji-sad-emoji-disappearing-emoji-disintegrating-seokvrse-gif-25237004

[dense ferry]

You are not getting that in Master 👍

[small timber]

ok already off topic for a while: I think the tracer suggestion should be exclaimed

since it completely ignore the balance concern of "combined effect" of accessories

dunerider and amphibian boots don't have combination/upgrade for a reason, because they have INSANELY powerful that adding any other convenience on top of them might immediately turn them broken

let alone flower boots and hellfire treads which the suggestion is completely unaware about having a non-cosmetic effect

@bright sage

[dense locust]

I dissagree but okay 👍

[small timber]

wait shit sorry wrong ping

@hollow shell

[icy sand]

Mhm

[golden sonnet]

lmao

[icy sand]

Yeah I'm deletin

[dense ferry]

The Developers do not want to balance ANOTHER difficulty on top of what they already have, even barely, that's already a lot of effort

[small timber]

sorry wrong ping

[bright sage]

why was i summoned

lmao

np

[small timber]

sorry wrong ping, discord decided to flick my @ at the last second

[icy sand]

New suggestion

MAKE THE WIKI

MORE

[dense ferry]

Make the wiki more.

[icy sand]

Don't just slap all vanilla changes on one page

[dense locust]

words to live by, really

[hollow shell]

#wiki-discussion

[wide river]

Imma cut you off and say that that doesn't go here.
Wiki changes through suggestions channels are discouraged, and don't get implemented

[dense ferry]

There isn't really a reason to put them in a bunch of places tbh

[icy sand]

No one can be asked to go on that fucking page and look for changes to copper

[icy sand]

Mhm

Ye

Anyway

Neat

[small timber]

it will just make it harder to find by people who do want to seek them yes

[wide river]

Allow me to introduce you to the magic of Ctrl + F

[hollow shell]

Also I would be fine with a really jank wack boot line that combines all of the "alt" boots
to act as an alternative to Terraspark and potentially the Seraph line

Doesn't quite fit in with my true ideal imagined boot situation but it could still happen

[small timber]

people care more about the "different to vanilla" of vanilla changes than getting every detail of every changes that calamity might introduced that have an effect on both vanilla and calamity content

[icy sand]

I mean keep it on that page, but create pages for items that get changes

[wide river]

"Boots of impracticality", we shall call it

[icy sand]

Good idea

[small timber]

the pure boot line will surely happen anytime soon™️

[crude geode]

Myes recreate the vanilla wiki

[icy sand]

Mfw 1.5 adds Duneridder to Terra

[dense ferry]

"You've got the Angel Treads now get ready for the Lilith Walkers"

[small timber]

that will be taxing and unnecessarily

do they really need to have a calamity page for "beam sword" other than a description of "it shoot slower but does more damage now" with already the exact numbers on "Vanilla Changes" page? no

[icy sand]

Going on the vanilla changes page is taxing, impractical and super unnecessary

[wide river]

It would literally be "Copy-paste the entire Vanilla wiki and then manage that on top of the already taxing Calamity wiki management"

[half imp]

also

dunerider stacks with tracers

[icy sand]

At least for the significant pages

[half imp]

for INSANE speed

[icy sand]

/Changes

[half imp]

already

[wide river]

Source: A lot of the Calamity wiki pages are still outdated in some way

[dense locust]

litterally just go to vanilla changes and controll-F the item your looking for, really not that hard

[small timber]

they have pages for every vanilla bosses, I think that is already enough

and yes this is #wiki-discussion (I figured it wouldn't drag on but here it is)

[icy sand]

Clearly

[hollow shell]

byeah this ain't the place to talk about wiki stuff

[icy sand]

Read the channel name

Jk

[hollow shell]

We have that other channel for that purpose

[half imp]

dunerider should NOT be on tracers

that speed is absurd

[wide river]

Miles per hour, I assume

[half imp]

yea

[small timber]

they can make it override but yeah

there is a reason dunerider have no upgrade

[half imp]

that speed should be taking 2 accessories

easily

[icy sand]

At least remove the ability to combine to make Spectre

It annoys my OCD

[half imp]

nah

that's qol

[wide river]

Stacking accessories does seem to have a lot of unwanted side effects
Source: Shield of the High Ruler

[half imp]

high ruler is SO funny

me when 60 tile dash

[dense locust]

73 is only slightly lower than that dash glitch got you back when 1,4 cala came out

lmao

[hollow shell]

hey if you gotta use up two slots to do it then it sounds balanced to me

[half imp]

yeah it's not busted

only works on sand

needs 2 slots

[icy sand]

Add to Asgardian Aegis

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-ragememe-rageface-trolling-gif-4929853

[small timber]

brimstone frenzy then switch to auric

[half imp]

high ruler + asgardian aegis rn is uh

funny

[wide river]

NO.
We specifically got rid of most combo accessories because they were broken

[small timber]

(not sure it works if the set bonus instantly disabled after the switch)

[swift wharf]

loadouts

[half imp]

aegis + high ruler has 49 tile dash

aegis normally has 30.4 tiles

[dense locust]

that sounds pretty okay actually

[wide river]

Besides, it's a donor item so it should be disregarded in terms of upgrades.

[half imp]

it also makes the dash last longer

so more time you can ram

and your accel at the beginning is higher so you zoom

[icy sand]

Make Normal mode have current Expert dif, Expert have current Master, Master FTW, Revengance Death, Death.... maybe some of the least strong Malice changes

Cus that crap was not right

Malice way too mid

[half imp]

idt that's true

[wide river]

Why???
That just makes the game more difficult for people that aren't good at it

[half imp]

iirc some donors have upgrades

that aren't donor

[icy sand]

OP combinations go brr

[dense locust]

cosmic shiv had one before the 1.4inning

[half imp]

cosmic is a donor?

huh

[wide river]

I consider those the exceptions, not the rule.
But you are correct, there are some that upgrade.
Sealed Singularity among them

[dense locust]

yeah

[icy sand]

Also no offense but that sounds like a skill issue Enchilada

[dense locust]

p sure thats the only reason it didn't get axed with the other shortswords

[half imp]

why did coldheart die

[wide river]

"No offense but just let me call you bad at the game"
That's a bit rude, but sure.

[half imp]

but submarine shocker live

[dense locust]

because balancing or smthn

[icy sand]

I don't think you're actually bad but

If you can't beat Calamity on Expert, either you aren't minmaxing enough or you try a boss once then quit

[blazing kettle]

minmaxing should not be the standard

i think thats what this whole argument is about

[icy sand]

Enough, like

Using Hermes and Shoe Spikes against WOF

You don't need every buff under the sun

Or every op accessory combo

[wide river]

Consider this: Some people aren't good at the game, and don't want to play on hard difficulties.
I like playing on Normal Mode, for the most part, because I don't want to have to grind infinitely in Expert Mode for the absolute best gear

[small timber]

I think the main reason is just submarine shocker dont deal 2% HP in damage per hit

[crude geode]

I love gatekeeping!

[small timber]

no other consideration

[icy sand]

I have never played on normal once

Base game or Calamity

I think I would find it boring

[dense locust]

simply make coldheart do 1% instead

[blazing kettle]

i mean everyone has their own fun but you dont need to minmax on expert mode?

[icy sand]

Exactly

You don't

[small timber]

just make coldheart like slick cane instead

don't scale with melee speed, and is a rogue weapon that only do that on stealth strike

[blazing kettle]

but again i am not trying to disrespect your opinion or ruin your fun

[small timber]

clearly it will be balanced

[icy sand]

Which is my point, if you can't beat Calamity on Expert, then you probably aren't doing the bare minimum

[half imp]

coldheart needed to not work on yharon phase transition

[wide river]

Make it have a use time of 1000
FIxed

[icy sand]

Finding Goblin after Gob invasion

[dense locust]

okay and? let people fuck arround on an easy difficulty. why spoil their fun?

[cobalt pewter]

Coldheart should freeze your PC if it hits anything (yes, anything, even breakable grass)

[blazing kettle]

from what i am understanding, there is a misunderstanding here

either from enchilada or from me and kami

[ornate kestrel]

You should be able to play on the hardest difficulty without having to do too much more than the difficulty before it

[icy sand]

This whole thing starts from the idea of adding back combo accessories in exchange for increasing the difficulty, I think. Enchilada was saying that some people suck at the game, but I said Expert is easy to beat Calamity on, if you do the bare minimum of work

[wide river]

The point is: If you don't like Expert Mode, then don't play Expert Mode. If you don't like Normal Mode, then don't play Normal Mode. No need to consider other people bad at the game if they play on a lesser difficulty than you.

[blazing kettle]

okay there we go

[icy sand]

They aren't bad, but the reason why could be due to them being bad

[blazing kettle]

things are starting to clear up

[ornate kestrel]

I get judgy though when I see someone not doing rev

[icy sand]

There's my verdict

[small timber]

combo accessory being removed have nothing to do with "decreasing difficulty" of the game

[icy sand]

Read again

[small timber]

if you want to play at higher difficulty you have to deal with the fact that your accessory don't keep up

[icy sand]

You read that backwards

[limber zealot]

I have never played rev b4

[icy sand]

Go backread then come back Xpc

[small timber]

"adding back" implies it used to exist, and in this case you want combo accessories for increasing difficulty

what I mean saying is those combo accessory being removed have nothing to do with the fact that the game difficulty is now lower

[ornate kestrel]

Dw, i have to see it with my eyes that it's not rev+ to judge you quietly

[icy sand]

True

[small timber]

and as stated, if you want to increase the difficulty of the game, you chose to do it yourself, and the fact that your accessory simply can't keep up

[ornate kestrel]

You should expect it

[wide river]

How did we get here from talking about Tracers

[small timber]

otherwise you can only blame it on your own "skill issue", because skill will solve everything difficulty wise, you dont need some random op combination accessory to do that

[ornate kestrel]

I went on a side tangent

But

Idk how we got here

[small timber]

just dodge everything and deal with the fact that bosses will simply take longer time

[icy sand]

But I'm saying it would be cool to have combinations like the Zenith Tracers in exchange for increasing difficulty, so that no one can complain about it being unbalanced

[small timber]

the player don't need to be compensated with like 25% more DPS, it is banaid

[small timber]

the dev wants them to be unbalanced

you increase difficulty, bosses become more difficult

what is the point if you increase difficulty and things become easier

[icy sand]

I mean if that were true why is Zenith post Yharon

[ornate kestrel]

If they make something a certain way, it's usually intentional

[icy sand]

You increase difficulty to compensate better accessories

Existing

[golden sonnet]

They are saying the boots being unbalanced would be ok because it's locked by higher difficulty, not that the difficulty is unbalanced.

[ornate kestrel]

That would be too unbalanced

[small timber]

because DoG is shredded by Zenith, Yharon functionally do not work for Zenith (only on screen attack vs mostly off screen bosses)

[ornate kestrel]

Provi would insta die basically

[icy sand]

"The dev wants them to be unbalanced" Unless he means bosses

[small timber]

for zenith to work on yharon you either buff its damage massively (which makes its already good on scal and exo performance straight up melt the two, considering both are on screen boss); or to give yharon -500% resistance to zenith so it take like 5x damage from zenith

[blazing kettle]

give it 2 more damage

[small timber]

at that point just make it post-Yharon so people dont complain about how it is a shit weapon on yharon when it is that because of how the weapon is deisgned

[ornate kestrel]

The devs can't cater to everyone

[wide river]

If I remember correctly, there was a statement about removing the "Expert Mode Exclusives" a while back.
It said something like, "We don't to lock content behind playing on higher difficulties, we want the playerbase to be able to access all content on all difficulties" or something like that

[blazing kettle]

sometimes they cant

[icy sand]

I tried Zenith once and it was mid at that tier

[icy sand]

The counter scarf with Revengance

[wide river]

The only exceptions are dedicated content for Death and Revengeance mode

[icy sand]

I'm talking about further combo accessories

[wide river]

All difficulties now.

[icy sand]

like Rampart

[small timber]

it is because of a bug that causes zenith to deal less damage as soon as it pierces

[blazing kettle]

its great for exos and good for scal

[small timber]

someone tried to mod to remove the bug, and it was really good against exo and scal

[icy sand]

Exos are easy af

[blazing kettle]

also isbt that just fron the clothier now? not dependant on difficulty?

[icy sand]

Mhm

[wide river]

Yes, it is.

[icy sand]

Was a example

Of an item like that

[blazing kettle]

oh sorry i didnt read

[icy sand]

Which was locked

np

You good

So what you're saying is

[ornate kestrel]

I mean Gaels great sword exists

[icy sand]

Someone needs to patch Zenith

[ornate kestrel]

But

[icy sand]

Yharim boss when?

[small timber]

the dev should patch zenith yes, rather than "someone"

[ornate kestrel]

Gaels greatsword has little use

[small timber]

it is a bug fix

[blazing kettle]

its anazing for boss rush

[icy sand]

There's no point

[blazing kettle]

and aew

[ornate kestrel]

That's one of 2 uses

[icy sand]

to do boss rush

[ornate kestrel]

That's both

[icy sand]

Or Aew

[blazing kettle]

dont forget about yharim

[ornate kestrel]

Doesn't exist yet

[icy sand]

Who isn't in the game

[blazing kettle]

but he will be

[icy sand]

When

Is it confirmed?

[blazing kettle]

meaning there when yhairm comes out (as trans)

[icy sand]

[blazing kettle]

probably years from now

[icy sand]

So the point is moot

[blazing kettle]

until yharim comes out

[icy sand]

Who tf cares about a Death locked sword that has nothing to kill wiht

It's like Master mode

No reason

[blazing kettle]

again, boss rush

[wide river]

Why should you care about Zenith in vanilla for that exact reason?

[ornate kestrel]

^

[icy sand]

I don't

[wide river]

If it's at the end of the game, then it doesn't need to be balanced

[icy sand]

But in Calamity

It could have been something

And it isn't

[blazing kettle]

devs still balance geals greatsword because ofboss rush

[ornate kestrel]

Could

It isn't though

And who knows

[golden sonnet]

A little late to the Convo, but literally the only non vanity items that are exclusive to revengence and death combined is: 4 Accessories which buff rage/adrenaline which doesn't exist on lower difficulties ofc, and Gaels great sword, which also works with rage, on top of being a donor item. Adding any difficulty exclusive content would be directly against everything calamity has done.

[small timber]

no the simple answer is gael is not balanced

[ornate kestrel]

They might have plans for it

[small timber]

it is usable on exo mechs, it is not shadowspec tier, I think it is just unbalanced

[blazing kettle]

oh yeah true

scal is same tier as exos

[icy sand]

No one is advocating for that tho

Backread

[golden sonnet]

I read everything that came before

[icy sand]

Exo mechs are the easier boss either way

[blazing kettle]

nit for a lot of people

[ornate kestrel]

I actually like the rev+ exclusive stuff

[icy sand]

Read maybe. Comprehend? Who knows

[blazing kettle]

some peopke believe scal is easier than exos

like me

[icy sand]

That's cus they don't have good arenas for Exos

And you're handed a arena

For Scal

Low effort boss

[ornate kestrel]

Not always the case

[blazing kettle]

low effort my ass

[golden sonnet]

I find scal way easier, may be because I've played calamity for 7+ years so I'm used to her patterns, while exos I've attempted less than like 30 times total

[blazing kettle]

exo mechs dont get a arena because they are designed to not have one

[hollow shell]

There is no "compensate"
It's a difficulty mode, the difficulties should not all be roughly equal to each other because of a balance between detriments and benefits
(If you're talking about what I assume you are talking about)

[blazing kettle]

scal cnanot work without a arena

[icy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

Jesus christ

[small timber]

and playing with worse accessory against more difficult bosses is way more interesting than op accessory against stupidly bloated bosses

because your gearing and choice will actually matter

[ornate kestrel]

That's what I meant when I said the devs can't cater to everyone

The devs will only cater to the majority

And if you're not part of that majority

[small timber]

if we just have fargo's soul of the universe as a standard accessory and make bosses have 9billion hp and 2000 damage per hit at that point there is no build, no choice to be made

[icy sand]

I meant in general, make more combinations but make everything harder

[icy sand]

I mean

There already is

[ornate kestrel]

At this point

[icy sand]

No real choice

[small timber]

why do we need to make more combinations then make things harder when we can just make things harder

[blazing kettle]

verboten one...

[icy sand]

There are builds, yes

[small timber]

why do we need "more combinations" to make things easier for the player in the first place

[golden sonnet]

So true bestie

[ornate kestrel]

If you want it harder then just increase the boss health, if you want better accessories well the devs don't care unless a majority of the community wants more

[icy sand]

We don't, I just want more combinations, but i know someone will complain about balancing, so to compensate more powerful accessories existing, they adjust the bosses

[hollow shell]

Rewarding the player for completing a difficult task is one thing
Terraprisma in vanilla is actually a good example of this, a singular reward for a singular big challenge, near the end of the game

But having an entire Hard Mode that's actually easier than the lower modes in some respects, that's really weird
Like, Revengeance having the adrenaline and rage bars as pure benefits to your DPS, but NOT balancing bosses around them (i.e. with greatly boosted HP thereby encouraging/forcing you to make use of these skill-based mechanics)
so Rev is just... easier than Expert, for some bosses
when it's supposed to be harder

[small timber]

why do we need a compensation or clutch in the first place, we just have to make bosses more difficult with no compensation
and we can always blame it on the player's skill issue because they chose to do a difficulty out of their league

[blazing kettle]

if we combine everything for one then theres no creativity in buikding making a buikd and chosing what you want to use

[small timber]

let people complain about them being unbalanced

[icy sand]

Mfw reading comprehension average is 8th grade

[wide river]

Revengeance could be better, it's true. For now, it might be fine, but in future I'd like it to change.

[hollow shell]

I am jumping into this convo partway through so I am missing some context but I've heard this argument many times before because it's almost an inherent issue with Terraria

[ornate kestrel]

The problem with combining more accessories into one is if they do have to rebalance the bosses, a lot of the community is going to be pissed

They don't want that

[desert briar]

What's the point of increasing the difficulty if your gonna make all the accessories better to match. At that point you might as well just not increase the difficulty

[wide river]

Angry discord user complains that the game is too easy and wants it to be harder

[icy sand]

Oh democracy

[wide river]

There's a TL;DR for you

[ornate kestrel]

You don't always cater to the minority, cause if you do, then you can lose the majority and they'll leave you

[small timber]

then I will put it even more plain, in a different context:

I will say "more combination accessory for higher difficulty" is the equivalent of "adding wing slots and boots slots to the player while increasing the game difficulty"

why do we need to give the player wing and boots slot then increase the game difficulty and balanced the game around 9 accessory slots, when we can just straight up make the game harder while keeping only 7 slots and tell the player to "deal with it"

[hollow shell]

Democracy failed because I didn't get what I wanted, even when everybody else told me it was a bad idea

[golden sonnet]

This is a lot less common, but some AI changes should also maybe apply to normal mode. Revengence moon lord is so much easier because it removes the true eye lasers which are BS to dodge, literally makes expert/normal worse than revengence

[icy sand]

Because alot of content is sidelined by things on the same tier

And obsolete

[edgy sundial]

no offence, but if the harder difficulties are so hard that you need a super OP combo accessory, that sounds like a skill issue

[small timber]

that is exactly the point: you choose what you want to get

you dont get everything

[ornate kestrel]

This guy gets it

[icy sand]

Can it really be called a choice when everything else sucks

[desert briar]

Me when Fargo's souls

[icy sand]

here's a example

10 choices.

[ornate kestrel]

It better not be an extreme

[icy sand]

1 does 5k more dps

than the rest

[ornate kestrel]

Ok

[icy sand]

and isn't for a specific boss

[ornate kestrel]

But what if the others give survivability

[icy sand]

Doesn't do only to this boss

[hollow shell]

when in the game progression is this

[ornate kestrel]

Depends on what you need

[hollow shell]

5K more pre-boss is a big deal but 5K more post-SCal is like nothing

[icy sand]

It doesn't

[small timber]

"when" are accessory just have everything sucks completely yes

[ornate kestrel]

10 accessories at the same stage will not all be damage based

[icy sand]

WEAPONS

WEAPONS

READ MAN

GAh

[ornate kestrel]

Bro

[small timber]

what does weapons have to do with combination accessories which is what you are asking?

[icy sand]

dies of cringe

[edgy sundial]

you're really bad at spelling "weapons"

[ornate kestrel]

^

[wide river]

This is going downhill very fast

[icy sand]

Yes I'm losing braincells

I'm dipping

[ornate kestrel]

You never said weapons

[edgy sundial]

what is: writing comprehension

[ornate kestrel]

You said 10 choices

[golden sonnet]

Starting to feel like cmt in here, a fate worse then hell

[wide river]

Agreed

[hollow shell]

This reply is to a message talking about accessories

[icy sand]

I was talking about weapons here but forgot to clarify

Because it's way too late

Mental fatigue is a bitch

[ornate kestrel]

Then go to sleep and argue later

[icy sand]

True

[edgy sundial]

WEAPONS
WEAPONS
READ MAN

[icy sand]

Good idea

Peace

[icy sand]

I know mb

[hollow shell]

Sorry for all of the vitriol

Rest well

[icy sand]

It was my fault bro, don't worry about it

Appreciate that

[edgy sundial]

ironic coming from the guy who could not stop complaining about everyone else's reading comprehension lmfao

[crude geode]

can we not

[ornate kestrel]

Anyway

[icy sand]

Not the same thing and you know it, smartass

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmmm

I tried

[blazing kettle]

who are you

[edgy sundial]

you've been insulting everyone for not understanding what you've been writing. this is peak irony, actually

[crude geode]

@hollow shell

[wide river]

Could you please just drop it, the lot of you?
I know I'm not a moderator, but this is getting tiresome to read.

[ornate kestrel]

Rover

[icy sand]

It is

[ornate kestrel]

My head hurts from how dumb this argument got

[icy sand]

Same

Let's drop it

[wide river]

To change the subject swiftly
Divine Geodes and Uelibloom
Which to remove

[ornate kestrel]

That was the idea when I recommended sleep

Anyway yes

Geodes or ore

Which one

[small timber]

uelibloom has less theming connection with providence
imo

[ornate kestrel]

I honestly don't know

[crude geode]

uelibloom

we don't need more nature themed nonsense

[wide river]

Either "Yet another Jungle Ore" or "Encourage Boss Farming"

[ornate kestrel]

Fair

[small timber]

divine geode can totally just replace the ore as the ore and still fit

[ornate kestrel]

Sure

It can spawn in the hallow and hell

[crude geode]

exactly, it's literally called a geode

now granted

this requires reworking an armor set

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmm?

[crude geode]

but also I don't care

[ornate kestrel]

Perhaps

[wide river]

I'd suggest it but it's 10:50 PM where I am so it wouldn't come out very well
I'll do it tomorrow

[crude geode]

bc that armor set sucks balls

[small timber]

it dont really, you can just like, make tarragon a combination of divine geode with jungle related stuffs

[ornate kestrel]

It's literally chlorophyte just post ml iirc

[small timber]

to take the "plant/fossil/jungle theme" from the jungle material rather than from the geode

[ornate kestrel]

I use the astrageldon stuff instead tho

So I may be mistaken

[drowsy plank]

use living shards and mahogany wood ez

[wide river]

That could work

[ornate kestrel]

Actually

[wide river]

Gives wood more of a use in the endgame

[ornate kestrel]

That doesn't sound bad

It could be something else besides living shards

[small timber]

obviously tarragon should be chlorophyte armor + divine geode

definitely need more chlorophyte crafts

[ornate kestrel]

Stop giving chlorophyte more upgrades

[wide river]

Direct Armor Upgrades

[ornate kestrel]

Give it more downgrades

Make a pre hardmode version