suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

1. Why should the "main benefit" of crystal assassin comes from equipping a dash accessory (which was the main point of the armor that you save 1 slot)

2. Specifically a spammable movement benefit that is basically just wingless sandstorm jump-like speed which is either super abusable or downright useless after some nerf (as stated this is a bugged interaction to begin with, so this is like, a speed that will never get balanced around)

And finally

3. you can just say like, "make the even dash longer" instead of this solution that is kind of convoluted? Or just "buff stats" (boring but yeah)

[wide river]

For the third point, I've already made a suggestion regarding that and it didn't make it into the top 20%

#suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

This is a specific experience but longer dash especially early DO matter

I planned on using counter scarf all the way to scal but found out that the lack of horizontal spacing from shorter dash compare to a long dash especially make the long dash better compare to like counter scarf dodge

The main issue normally is just high ruler straight up have same fash length and valor dont really care about long dash (because nature of ram)

[drowsy plank]

the point is crystal's dash is dogshit, so if you can just... use a better dash but still have the bonus length, it fixes the one major issue with the armor

[half imp]

^

[small timber]

Just a longer dash is a legit large benefit over like counter scarf dodge

[drowsy plank]

i just disagree entirely but that's like.

[half imp]

i would add a note to keep the original crystal dash if you don't have another dash equipped

[drowsy plank]

why you have the option to just not use another dash with it

alright

[half imp]

but if you equip another then instead boost that distance

[small timber]

If what you are suggesting is like "make it become a mobility based armor" then it is fine

[half imp]

that's kinda what it is yeah

it's just a specific way to make it mobility based

[small timber]

The fact that it is largely if not entirely based on a bugged interaction that allow you to gain stupid amount of movement speed that likely will cheese out most bosses is just a no for me

We dont need sandstorm jump incident 2

[drowsy plank]

xpc just

make it a weaker bonus

[half imp]

^

[drowsy plank]

im not saying to give it a 5x multipler like high ruler, just make it like x2

[half imp]

it doesn't need to be large and they didn't specify bonus amount

[wide river]

I just want Crystal Assassin to have some sort of use other than freeing up the dash accessory
It doesn't even do its only purpose well at the moment

[half imp]

instead of the 50-70% longer range of high ruler something like 25% would be plenty and very notable

[drowsy plank]

the point is dash sucke so if it synergizes with other dashes that would give it more of an identity than just "bad multiclass"

[half imp]

rn it's dash could even be considered a downside

[drowsy plank]

does it override other dashes atm?

[half imp]

yes

[drowsy plank]

damn

[half imp]

it's bad

[small timber]

I will put it this way: why not just make it "make dash longer" instead of the whole velocity multiplier which is massively more volatile?

God knows what effect it has on ground in air or whatever compare to just say "your dash is 25% longer"

[wide river]

I really feel like Crystal Assassin has the stats of like
A pre-Skeletron post-EoW/Brain at the moment

[half imp]

longer dash doesn't fix crystal

[drowsy plank]

like crystal assassin doesn't even work as multiclass because mollusk is right there and it doesn't really work as movement because cobalt is right there and crystal doesn't even help the two classes with the least amount of sets rn, being summoner and rogue. it's just another melee/ranger/mage set

[half imp]

longer dash on crystal just means it's either broken or trash

depending on if that dash is long enough to cheese things

[drowsy plank]

i think he was saying make any dash longer but

that was

kind of the idea?

[half imp]

the idea is make any dash longer yea

[small timber]

But provided in a different way

[half imp]

although that could be specified clearly

[small timber]

Currently to me this is like "+% damage" and "give armor pen"

[drowsy plank]

okay sure ill remove the mentions of velocity but like. how do you think you would do that xpc...???

[half imp]

anyway dash velocity is honestly better than dash distance

because you can get out of where you are faster

[drowsy plank]

fair

[wide river]

So dash velocity would make you move faster during dashes, yeah?

[half imp]

your dash starts with more speed yeah

which in turn effects the length and duration

[drowsy plank]

yeah your dashes would move faster, but that is also sort of interlinked with going farther because that's how it works, but i guess you could just increase the dash duration? so if you had a top speed for longer it would be the same as just increasing the top speed

[half imp]

for example here's void sash dash

void sash with high ruler

you get out of where you were faster + more range

[small timber]

Imo (just myself if I am making the suggestion) I probably will be focusing on "making it a mobility armor" instead of specifically a "dash armor" but that is just me

And have the "increase dash stats" or even hook stats mentioned as example, can link to ninja armor even

And probably draw comparison to how much damage you actually saved with 1 accessory slot from dash that it is never worthehilr stat wise to use crystal so probably ask for the damage/crit set bonus to be reverted

But yeah at the end my own approach is significantly different due to me just preferring simple/less vatiance changes so cant really be used for reference

[half imp]

issue is stuff like that just hasn't passed before

it's mostly just... trying a new idea to get a crystal one to pass

[drowsy plank]

basically

[small timber]

Was it not enough voted or get denied

[drowsy plank]

not enough votes

tbh i could prolly include doze's videos, the point is to make it more appealing to people

[wide river]

The videos would make it an entire screen's height, I don't think that would be good

[drowsy plank]

cause crystal needs buffs, we all know this, the point is previous implementations just haven't garnered enough support to get to the devs

fair

[wide river]

The videos would be good to add in concept, but it drastically lowers the chances of people voting for it

[half imp]

yeah don't include my videos

for the record high ruler has a 1.3034482x velocity multiplier right now

[wide river]

The solution is to somehow kill every other suggestion in the same group as that one

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[half imp]

do not ask why that number i do not know

[small timber]

If you want to keep it (the suggestion) then just shorten the "rant" part

Half of it is describing how crystal is really shitty which can be shorten

[half imp]

true

[drowsy plank]

done

[half imp]

you could still note that Cobalt, Palladium, and even Statigel outclass it almost completely

becuase 20% move speed is like 2mph when using wings at that stage

[small timber]

I think probably change the "resulting in ridiculous bonuses" and just instead change to describe what did combining the dashes does

[swift wharf]

turn it into a rogue set

[small timber]

People dont know what "ridiculous bonus" is (and the context is provided in next paragraph instead of right away, and can be seen as desribing suggested crystal effect instead of also as explanation of what the bonus means)

[half imp]

seriously though why did they bring it from 15% dmg and crit to lierally 5% dmg 5% crit

on assassin

[drowsy plank]

big number

[small timber]

At the time did HM ore rework got added already?

[drowsy plank]

tbh crystal assasin becoming Rogue/Summoner multiclass would be cool but is proly too much work

idr

[half imp]

palladium even out damages it

[small timber]

Either that or they overestimated dash length as a benefit

But mostly it is just crystal pieces dont have any damage stats

[half imp]

palladium

[half imp]

they have 5% dmg and 5% crit iirc

head and chest

+10% melee speed
and apparently pants do that for ??? reason

[small timber]

The intent is that "since you save 1 slot for dash you can get an emblem which is 15, so a 20 nerf sounds reasonable"

Except the part where it had less stats than other armor even without the nerf

[half imp]

and the dash is just

worse

[wide river]

1.5.0.1

So a bit over a year

[small timber]

The dash is, servicable

If the armor actually have damage

[half imp]

yeah

but it's often just worse than scarf or ornate

(give it a scarf effect please )

[small timber]

Purely just dash length depend on point of progression is an advantage

If not because of the fact that it is not a long dash

What is crystal dash length compare to ninja gear, high ruler, evasion scarf, ornate, valor?

It feels slightly shorter than ninja gear for me (and about same as evasion scarf) but I didnt really checked it

[half imp]

longer than ninja

ninja is 24.9 blocks
crystal is 25.3 blocks

[small timber]

Really, did it have slower dash velocity or something

[half imp]

idk

but crystal is the best till post ml

Crystal (Pre Nerf)
15% dmg
15% crit
10% melee speed
36 defe

Current Palladium
29/39/32 defense
19% magic dmg / 22% melee dmg / 19% ranged dmg
9% magic crit / 12% melee speed / 9% ranged crit

this is literally just worse than palladium in stats; plus no rapid healing

it was MAYBE on par before

even then i'm not convinced

not to mention cobalt armor

(keep in mind it's a tier after cobalt and palladium)

or half a tier

[small timber]

If it is ninja gear dash (or even better if same velocity) with slightly worse stat than palladium I definitely will use it

But yeah, it now have like 5 or 0 so

[half imp]

I would never bc no ram

rams are so good

But I could see it being used

[small timber]

Rams are also post-2 mechs

[half imp]

true

scarf is so good too

[small timber]

Scarf after awhile I find it unnecessary at start of HM

Like, you are dodging twins laser that deal like 40 damage with it

I will rather just get away and not get hit entirely

[half imp]

Either way if it has original stats it would be usable but not broken

The fact that it stats were going into worse than palladium. Anyways, it wasn't Nerf

Never mind. Text to speech sucks. I'll just wait to say more

[small timber]

Meanwhile melee probably just stick to ore armors because they for some reason just have an "additional stats" compare to ranger and mage ore armor

15% melee speed on cobalt

10% crit as an extra stat on set bonus for some reason on mythril (ranger/mage dont have this, melee speed I kind of understand but 10% crit just out of nowhere really is)

20% melee and movement speed in adamantite too (which other 2 is also missing)

[half imp]

Basically, it already has worse stats than the tank armor the tier down without the nerf

To make up for the dash

losing palladium healing + worse stats in exchange for dash + free accessory slot actually makes some amount of sense

but losing palladium healing for worse stats, dash, and an accessory slot that won't even make up for the palladium stat deficit

... have we brought this up on #1042197406776827914 yet

[wide river]

No

[half imp]

that'd be nice

at least for stats

[wide river]

This kind of issue does seem more fitted to there anyway

[drowsy plank]

i mean crystal assassin is also Lame As Hell so it's still a bit sugg worthy but yeah this should be in balance too prolly

[wide river]

It's kinda a mix of both suggestion-worthy and balance-worthy

I guess if this one fails go bring it up there

[drowsy plank]

the two other dash armors (three with godslayer) all ALSO do other things it's so weird that it just. Has A Dash.

and having summoner and rogue functionalities would also help

[wide river]

T'would be nice to have something more, I agree.

[drowsy plank]

mfw 18th melee/ranged/mage set in early Hardmode

Mollusk has the same issue kinda but less so

bc it's so strong

[wide river]

I've never tried Mollusk, myself. I've seen it get used, though

[drowsy plank]

yeah it has BEEG damage so it easily makes up for having no stealth or slots

good on spam rogue okay on summoner if you really wanted to

[half imp]

Mollusk is fine bc it's viable and unique

This is not viable and barely unique

[half imp]

It has 4 slots internally anyway

That's how it does 2 shellfish

[random pasture]

Ok I knew I wasnt going crazy

[half imp]

And they're definitely a good monopn

[random pasture]

It does trigger events

[hollow shell]

Hmmmm wack

[wide river]

I'd bring it up with the wiki people, personally

Since the wiki doesn't say that it can do that

[hollow shell]

Damn it even skipped Destroyer's spawn timer??

That's crazy

[random pasture]

This is the most recent update

2.0.2.2

Yeah

[wide river]

If they say it's a bug, then go report it in #1052323733961977947

[hollow shell]

I'll bring it up in the wiki channel yeah

[random pasture]

Alright

Can do

So in both wiki and bug reports then?

[wide river]

Wiki first, and if they say that it's a bug, then #1052323733961977947

[hollow shell]

Uhh wiki first so we can determine if it's intentional or not

[random pasture]

k

Let me know

[hollow shell]

Obligatory question
What other mods do you have installed aside from base Calamity?

[random pasture]

Let me check, its mostly QOL

[half imp]

It's a side effect of using journey code

Which can spawn events

I assume the DR is bc of that too

[wide river]

Is it just copied from Journey Mode's time menu?

[random pasture]

Boss checklist, Cheat Sheet, Magic Storage, Begone Evil, Fargo Mutant, Vanilla Calamity music, Alch Light, Boss Cursor, Wiki this, and OC Calamity+Music

So nothing that would obviously change how it works

[half imp]

I think it actually triggers the journey effect but I've not looked

All I know is fabsol said it uses journey code

[random pasture]

So it works differently than it used to?

[hollow shell]

The source code does indeed mention Journey Mode

[random pasture]

Because cosmolight was in 1.3

[hollow shell]

in a comment

[hollow shell]

Seems to be.

[random pasture]

Interesting

[half imp]

yeah it now skips to noon and midnight too

[random pasture]

Right

[wide river]

Cosmolight used to just be "Flip between morning and dusk" so ye

[random pasture]

But I just assumed it was the same code

[half imp]

#changelogs message

It uses journey code to be better mp compatible

[wide river]

Oh wow, that was really recent
It felt longer than that

[random pasture]

Got ya

[hollow shell]

Wiki page updated 👍

[wide river]

Ok, thank you!

[random pasture]

Cool, glad we got that settled

[red marsh]

no

not yet

[wide river]

What do you mean?

[red marsh]

exactly

[wide river]

???

[red marsh]

yeha

[kindred skiff]

🤠

[hollow shell]

.

[final ridge]

im trying to spawn the martian madness event with the remote but it only shows ufos in the background, do I have to find the ufo in space to start it?

[golden sonnet]

1. Wrong channel
2. are you in multiplayer?, if so take off dash items. Items that grant dashes prevent summoning items or weather/time changing items from working in multiplayer

[final ridge]

oh sorry

but thanks

[hollow shell]

(very strange causation)

[wide river]

Hopefully there aren't enough bugs spawned by this dash hotkey that they have to remove it

[hollow shell]

(what code overlap is there between dashing items and world events)

[fossil finch]

its something with the calamity dash system new thing

[golden sonnet]

Calamity Dash hotkey and multiplayer being wack

[golden sonnet]

fr, me and Shade have been comparing it to the Lava Slime incident

against exo mechs is very funny as ares limbs take knockback, but like in a weird way, so his arms just kinda teleport all over the screen

[grim tusk]

@quaint fossil this sounds like a bug

But some stuff is intended to use otherworldly stuff

[wide river]

It could also be that they're using unofficial vanilla calamity music or whatever it's called

Because if that's the problem then they can just
turn it off

[grim tusk]

That as well

So its half bug and half its intended. Or just all intended but im unsure

[golden sonnet]

otherworld music is known to override all music in the past, It was a known bug in the old doc

[grim tusk]

Bug then

[golden sonnet]

I believe it was a limitation of tmodloader/vanilla, but it's been so long I can't say it hasn't been changed

[quaint fossil]

so does the mod and otherworld music play in their respective times and not cancel each other out anymore?

[golden sonnet]

No modded music will play if otherworld themes are enabled.

I know there was a pull request made with tmodloader, but I'm unsure if it's been resolved or implemented. Ozz also stated at the time "calamity wrote code to handle otherworld music toggle and commented it out for now" so I'm unsure. Either way like Shade said, this should go under #1052323733961977947 so one of the devs can determine if this is a calamity issue or just a limitation of tmod/vanilla

[wide river]

This new one's been suggested before, hasn't it?
Isn't it just a matter of tMod not supporting it or something?

[golden sonnet]

it was suggested on the 12th of this month, I believe it will be in the next batch of votes

post I'm referencing: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Ah, so it was

[opal bay]

ah good to know it's already been suggested

thanks!

[drowsy plank]

would help if you could delete your sugg and just vote for that

[hollow shell]

btw yeah Flak Kraken fucking sucks

Originally it was (ostensibly) meant to be that you were aiming a reticle at your cursor position and the weapon was firing something at a high speed at your cursor, so fast you couldn't see it
sorta like a Mortar Monkey de la Bloons TD

But that eventually got mutated into being that you... "fire" the reticle itself, and the reticle is what deals damage?? We made it spin and wrote the tooltip as "Fires an energy reticle"?

[half imp]

make it mortar monkey once again

[wide river]

I was wondering when my suggestion was going to get noticed

[golden sonnet]

btw, should I make a separate suggestion about Duke not reducing worm spawns until he is dead, or combine it with the first one.

[hollow shell]

It would be way cooler if it had a significantly lower rate of fire (or, rate of damaging enemies), and the gun was given a firing animation synced up with it, to return that illusion
Could even reduce the "just hold the cursor on the enemy"-ism by making it so the reticle increasingly slows down and lags behind the cursor the closer it gets to firing, like it's "locking on",
making it more difficult to land shots with, a weapon you actually have to use your brain for, more like its predecessor Flak Toxicannon

[hollow shell]

uhh It would probably work best as a separate suggestion
There's a chance the suggs could compete with each other for stars but I don't really think they would; they can coexist.

[wide river]

Maybe instead of being Mortar Monkey it could be Sniper Monkey
Like, it could remove the reticle and add a small firing animation that hits wherever the cursor is

[hollow shell]

Maybe

[golden sonnet]

noted, I'll do a writeup best case scenario amidias selling them goes to voting and the old duke reducing rates gets insta accepted

[hollow shell]

Both of them would be easy as hell to implement, if any programmers happen to be looking

Literally changing one line, for both

[wide river]

Quickly, someone ping Altix
(do not)

[golden sonnet]

I just asked if they should be combined because yes lowering the rates after encounter is dumb, but is irrelevant if you can just buy them

[hollow shell]

byeah
Either one being implemented will be a win, but both can be implemented too, for a Big Win

[wide river]

I just hope that they don't indirectly kill each other in voting

Because some people might think that they're the same suggestion, and as such not vote for both

[golden sonnet]

I could remove the reverse reasoning tbh

[wide river]

Eh, I think it'll be fine

Worst case scenario, both die and you resuggest only one afterwards

[wide river]

Isn't the entire purpose of Microbial Clusters being atmospheric?

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I like them

and I am a big advocate for remove 50% of calamity, so that says something

[half imp]

yeah it is

i'd say don't kill them bc they do a ton for atmosphere

[wide river]

The only change I think they'll ever get is probably getting the ability to be caught with a bug net
But not much else

[half imp]

add microbial cluster in a bottle

[hollow shell]

Hm well I'm glad the sugg got deleted because it made me upset

(not really but like, in principle)

The mod needs more atmosphere and more flavor

They do serve a purpose in making the world and mod feel more alive

[half imp]

it doesn't bother me unless it's that kinda person who just doubles down on a suggestion that's rule breaking/ignores key facts

those people who go "just let the devs see it they'll think it's amazing and add it"

[wide river]

So... everyone who suggests to add Maid Calamitas

[half imp]

so true

it's like.. mate if they're not doing stuff like my Exalted Oathblade concept after seeing it they're not adding your random whip idea #2248

not that a whip idea can't be great but... people who tend to make great weapon concepts also tend to be able to read the rules

or other items

[wide river]

Key bit there being "tend to"

[half imp]

yea

[golden sonnet]

I think enough time has passed to try this again

I know calamity players hat change, but please I want them gone

[wide river]

You've got three suggestions in posting there, fella

Save the third one for later, or delete one of the bloodworm ones

I could also suggest one of them, I've still got a spare suggestion for today

[golden sonnet]

I know it's in the rules so I guess, but I also don't see a difference between me posting it now or in like 15 hours

[hollow shell]

Ahh

Yes only 2 suggs are allowed in posting from each person

[cobalt pewter]

you can thank me for that limitation

[hollow shell]

Keeps things reasonable

[half imp]

what did you do

[hollow shell]

(yeah I think so actually)

[wide river]

You'll be able to suggest another one in about...13 hours

[golden sonnet]

I'll just post it tomorrow, I will remember because I hate them

[hollow shell]

heh

[golden sonnet]

lmao

[half imp]

simply remove them yourself :)

[cobalt pewter]

let's just say I was a little too ambitious at one point in this server

[wide river]

Considering three separate suggestions tried and failed, maybe one conglomerating them together will pass

[half imp]

suggestions meta is

post a ton of bad but rule compliant suggestions

so more good ones are sent to dev

[wide river]

Ok but actually though

[hallow cloak]

Do you think a small boss suggestion would be allowed? The rules say that not all suggestions that are difficult to execute are disallowed.

[golden sonnet]

my thoughts exactly, there a ton of other materails I want gone too, but these are all jungle themed so fit together. If you wanted to post the jungle one like you mentioned before that would be cool and I could send my text/image, otherwise it doesn't really matter.

[golden sonnet]

changing a boss is allowed, but adding them is not

[hallow cloak]

Oh okay I didn't see that, ty

[half imp]

yeah bosses are too high effort

[wide river]

I'm fine with you doing it
My current record of suggestions isn't too great

[half imp]

i have gotten 1 suggestion implemented

removal of OOA summoner penalty

[wide river]

And what a good suggestion it was

[cobalt pewter]

I only remember like

2

[half imp]

i have a lot of good suggestions imo but they're not always the most popular

but considering 75% of them get no mentions here i'll take that as a good sign

[cobalt pewter]

one is making Skeletron unable to deal contact damage briefly on spawning (apparently they applied it to Prime too so uh)

another is giving Titan Heart armor kb immunity

technically my "challenge for riv / legendary" sugg was flagged as implemented too but that's malice so fuck that one

[golden sonnet]

I have like 7 suggestions I want done still.
Kill Jungle materials, Kill hive/perf materials, kill Flesh of Infidelity/Crimson ray, kill calcium potion + ancient bone dust, rebalance brimflame so it isn't strictly better spectre, rebalance/remove astral so it isn't a bunch of random effects thrown together and so it doesn't suck for everyone but mage

[half imp]

i imagine attaching a video of a forbidden oathblade rework on a "rework the Forbidden Oathblade line to act more like it's components" would be too heavy handed, right?

because i know the video would probably get the suggestion enough votes, but at the same time it kinda

makes it almost seem like a SIS

even if i'm not asking for that exact rework

[wide river]

I think if you state that it is only an example, and not exactly what you want, then it should be fine

[half imp]

kill hive/perf materials zzz
add matierals for all bosses 👁️

[wide river]

IOU but on everything

[half imp]

also brimflame isn't strictly better spectre

lol

it's better in damage maybe but it's much much worse in survival

[half imp]

killing a boss just brings up a pop up to pick your drops

... actually

that might be a banger mod idea

wonder how hard to code that'd be

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure some games actually do that

Not Terraria, of course

But some

[golden sonnet]

yes if using the healing set, in which case its the best pre ml mage armor

[blazing kettle]

something like ror2's artifact of command?

[half imp]

that's also not true

[small timber]

is there any advantage of spectre offense compare to brimflame?

[half imp]

uhh

[small timber]

iirc the defense difference is like negligeable

[golden sonnet]

Zero, it's worse than brimflame without using brimflames set bonus

[small timber]

only advantage now is like, being able to use spectre wing

which is a copium advantage

[half imp]

41 defense
30% increased magic damage
25% increased magic critical strike chance
5% increased movement speed
+70 max mana
10% decreased mana usage
brimflame

[wide river]

It could be like a pop-up menu where it's like "Please select a drop type" and there's like
Melee weapon
Ranged weapon
Mage weapon
Summoner weapon
Rogue weapon
Random accessory

So essentially gacha but with better chances

[small timber]

ok yeah 1 defense difference

[half imp]

and uh

[golden sonnet]

comparison of the 2 offense sets is Spectre in vanilla adds a cap of 400 dps with the ghosts, but calamity makes this a cap of 120 dps with the nerf, which is more than compensated for with brimflames 5% dmg, 8% crit, and 10 mana it has over spectre, while only losing out on 3% movement and 3% mana reduction, and 1 defense.

[half imp]

spectre projectiles suck

yeah i do agree brimflame and spectre mask need rebalancing

brimflame just doesn't make spectre meaningless due to hood

[wide river]

The Spectre projectiles are fine in Vanilla, but Calamity has better stuff
I think even Hydrothermic armor is better in some cases for mages

[half imp]

hydrothermic is like

always better

as it should be?

it's a whole tier later

[wide river]

Dark Artist:

[half imp]

hydrothermic is the third best pre-ml armor

in dmg

[small timber]

yeah hydro have lifesteal

[half imp]

it's slightly below dark artist in damage but it has better survival

thanks to defense and lifesteal

[small timber]

(post-Golems)

[half imp]

hydrothemic may even beat dark artist in damage sometimes

thanks to the chaos orbs

it's close

[wide river]

Fun fact
Dark Artist has nearly the same raw stats as Spectre Armor in Vanilla

[golden sonnet]

brimflame beats all of them if using set bonus

[small timber]

it probably is better at single class damage, but at the sametime the point of dark artist is to multiclass so I will not really compare the 2

depend on how you rate it having access to sentry is 100/10 or 0/10, for trade off for lifesteal on hydro

[half imp]

yeah but brimflame beats everything till demonshade with set bonus lol

[golden sonnet]

I know lol

[half imp]

1.3x multiplicative is stupid as heck

[golden sonnet]

Beetle mail lookin ass

[small timber]

brimflame only problem is the burn hurts way too much

other than that yeah

[half imp]

that's not a problem bc it balances the insane dmg well

[wide river]

ye

[small timber]

I will put brimflame's active in the same league as adrenaline

it is a condition that usually is (not) fulfilled by average players

is it too strong? yeah
is it a gigantic problem? probably not? for the most part

[half imp]

brimflame is more applicable imo than adren to average player

[wide river]

It pretty much is a second Adrenaline, yeah

[small timber]

(at that adrenaline is WAY stronger even with 30s nohit condition)

[half imp]

not a ton

but

yeah adren is way stronger

[small timber]

doesnt it burn like 200 hp

I forgot, been long since I looked at it, at in Death Mode it hurt even more

[wide river]

It doesn't say on the wiki

[wide river]

All it says it that the life regen is reduced by 42 for 10 seconds

[golden sonnet]

yes, regen goes negative

[small timber]

if the damage over time (to the player itself) is on the Brim Frenzy buff itself it should be amplified by death mode

[wide river]

So at max it can do 420 damage, killing any players that don't have life fruit

But if you've killed Calamitas you should have life fruit

[small timber]

let me just open the game to test

[small timber]

no it is 210, 2 life regen = 1 hp/s

[half imp]

i'll check source

[small timber]

so it do hurt a lot, you probably have to nohit a large part of the rest of the fight

[wide river]

That seems
overly complicated

[golden sonnet]

and caribian rum + rum + regen + exquisitely stuffed + any arena buffs work together to reduce it a lot

[small timber]

the consideration is that usually these regens go into healing the player, instead of negating the damage

but yeah, checking if death mode amplify it

[half imp]

• 42 regen

[small timber]

I will argue the only one that is a "compensation" will be jewel or permafrost concoction, because both heal under the condition that you are taking damage instead of always (like the listed regen sources above)

[golden sonnet]

yes, but if you are using a set bonus that drains health you shouldn't be in a situation where you are currently needing that regen to heal

[half imp]

brimflame frenzy:
-no mana regen
-mana regen delay set to max
-life regen set to 0 if above 0

• lose 42 life regen

[small timber]

then it makes it a downside

[golden sonnet]

if you need to regen at the moment you shouldn't be using it

[small timber]

so it do indeed is a considerable downside, because you have to be in a situation where you are unable to use it

[golden sonnet]

More "conditional" than downside, but being conditional is a downside yeah

[small timber]

or a more exaggerated example, will be something like "brimflame frenzy kills you if at the end of your fight, you have half HP left"

[golden sonnet]

yes, brimflame is a considerable downside which it should be, I'm not arguing against that, my gripe is just in offensive spetre vs brimflame

[half imp]

death does make it 1.5x dmg

[small timber]

but yeah that I agree with

the fact that brimflame by itself with no set bonus (active) is literally better than spectre + set bonus

[half imp]

according to the decompiled code

so -42 to -63 regen

[small timber]

getting it in game too just to be sure

[half imp]

for sure

[small timber]

yeah it works 100%, get amplified

[half imp]

me omw to lose 31.5 hp per second in death

[small timber]

I forgot if FTW also have another debuff amplifier on top

it sure feels like it

let me see if I have a ftw world ready

[golden sonnet]

combine it with alachol sickness and alachol that reduces life regen

[half imp]

fun fact

[wide river]

That's stronger than even Miracle Blight what

[half imp]

if you had 3 astral arcanums equipped it would cancel the damage from brimflame frenzy

[small timber]

ok no FTW dont have debuff amp

[golden sonnet]

lmao

[small timber]

best build in the game just spam brimstone frenzy off cooldown

[wide river]

Me on my way to mod the game to have duplicate accessories and remove cooldowns to spam Brimflame Frenzy repeatedly

[small timber]

and make buff stacks

[wide river]

At that point why play the game

Just get Ultimate Potions mod and use the cheat potions

[small timber]

no it is actually a downside, because the damage is from the buff itself
stacking the buff also stacks the DOT damage

so you will die in like, 5 second from -200 hp/s degen

[half imp]

not if i

[wide river]

Simply have 2,147,483,647 health

[half imp]

use godmode :)

[wide river]

There is actually a mod that lets you do this

It's legit just a "I don't feel like playing the game anymore" item

[half imp]

fun fact 2

there are 2 (non-scaling) debuffs that deal more dps than brimflame frenzy

only 2

(more if you count stuff like alchohol sickness that scales)

they are tounged (50 dps) and Burning (30 dps)

wait i missed one

banishing fire does 30

and holy inferno does up to 100 dps (i had to dig for that)

[wide river]

Where'd you get that number?

Every mention of it I can see says at minimum it does 2000 dps

[golden sonnet]

That's against enemy

Doze is talking about player

[wide river]

Oh, that makes a lot more sense

[distant gyro]

it's down on the second note

[wide river]

I wonder how that even got discovered, considering minions don't target other players

[distant gyro]

source code, pvp is impractical

[undone parrot]

anyones shield of cuthulu dash not working? cuz min is not and i dont know how to fix dash is kinda important xD

[ripe owl]

How's that related to suggestions

[drowsy plank]

#1052323733961977947 also sounds like mod conflict tbh

[grave zinc]

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[frosty trellis]

... I don't agree with the soaring upgrade sugg as infinite flight does actually break shit because it basically just is a massive fuck you to wings that way and makes tracers just infinitely better due to better accell and horizontal movement

[small timber]

inb4 it is a shadowspec upgrade

I think it should NOT mention when it will be available (because it massively increase the chance it get denied, there is reason it is removed in the first place, and also the exact reason why those bosses have flight time reduction effect) but maybe just me

and also if because of "high flight time" therefore "infinite flight doesn't matter" then infinite flight do not have to be added; that is the thing: it DO matter a lot, hence why they removed it

[stable kiln]

saying that soaring insignia is never used is also blatantly wrong :P

if you dont use it you might want to change that because its genuinely one of the best accessories you can use from the moment you get it until you beat the game

[cobalt pewter]

random metal bar

[frosty trellis]

Yeah was going to say it's an amazing mobility accessory as 25% flight time and the accel bonus is great

[stable kiln]

and yeah "random metal bar"

[frozen hornet]

random metal bar

(it has the same power as the soul fragments)

[fervent orbit]

whos gonna tell him

[small timber]

@ashen warren if you look at every single craft that uses yharon soul fragment you will see that they are universally "dragon" or "Yharon" themed

Zenith have nothing to do with yharon

it just have a bunch of sword, or you can say "random metal swords"

therefore it make more sense to be crafted from "random metal bars"

for reference this is the current full list of soul fragment crafts

[muted osprey]

this man has NEVER heard of smelting....

you smack them together really hard but they only stay together because of the metal or smth idk

[small timber]

auric bar you can explain as somethign like the bar being "infused" into the sword, just like magically fused to gether (which is just a thing because magic)

while yharon soul fragment just from other crafting recipe universally express a specific style that zenith have no resemblance whatsoever

[muted osprey]

no chat i am NOT matthew patrick from the game theory youtube channel

[small timber]

so yes, auric bar probably still fit more than soul fragment just because of theming

[muted osprey]

sword

made of metal

?????

well most of them

you're made of snakeoil

slurp

i think you're tableist

wtf.....

wdym terraria is 2d minecraft

[swift wharf]

cringe soaring insignia suggestion

who let them cook 🗣️🗣️

btw exo chair

[quasi wigeon]

W

[swift wharf]

@subtle gazelle read the suggestion pins

[drowsy plank]

wow! these suggestions are all awful! i thought we got over the damn infinite flight nerf too that thing should be on the don'ts istg

we already have an item for infinite flight it's called exo chair

also just straight up lying about it's viability is also Not Great

@kindred creek

also we did have an infinite wing flight item once it was yharon lore and it practically completely broke the game so like.

this is why it never passed a year ago and nothing has changed to not make it not pass now

also not only is your sugg an SiS @subtle gazelle that's. literally just fantasy talisman? yeah that's. it's fantasy talisman that's already in the game

oh well, actually it's ace's high, i just forgot it didn't actually inheret those effects from talisman whoops

whatever point is we literally already have a weapon that does that

[glass arch]

[toxic basalt]

also for that SI suggestion, it really isn't bad, in vanilla it was overpowered and here it's useful for mobility

there's like

no reason for it to be changed or get an upgrade

and yeah, there are other things that give infinite flight

one of them is called hooks and platforms/rails

[glass arch]

soaring potion or w/e with true melee

[toxic basalt]

plus a lot of the later HM/PML wings give enough flight time to not worry a whole lot about

minus the Seraph and Elysian Tracers

[cobalt pewter]

me when sis

[glass arch]

is this another sis

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[glass arch]

altix ❗ jumpscare

[random talon]

D:

[glass arch]

ok this one is just common sense

[random talon]

it kinda sounds like

wait for it

(my lawyer has advised me not to finish this joke)

[half imp]

this is a new one i gotta say

[swift wharf]

i wont lie to you chief

idk

[ripe owl]

What's the latest one even mean

[glass arch]

it means the person's friend think if a god exists in any context they need to make a cult around it i think

[ripe owl]

Just tell them that DoG already have destroyed every single god there

[stable kiln]

suggestion number 50 about new pml ammo after it got rejected 50 times

[glass arch]

this is completely wrong @bronze tendon

[stable kiln]

also yeah only 1?

there is 4 of bullets/arrows

[small timber]

@bronze tendon a recent suggestion of the exact same kind had been denied just recently

chances are they are not adding auric ammo/post-yharon ammo anytime soon

[glass arch]

plus the one ammo is completely inaccurate

[small timber]

(and yes, only "1" post-ML ammo is completely false)

[stable kiln]

probably because they are unnecessary as well :P

[glass arch]

because there is in fact 8 different post moon lord ammos, 4 arrows and 4 bullets

[small timber]

for the "god of fantasy" one I dont know what to say

for me this is as ridiculous as having a "this world setting is fantasy and is completely fictional" after you start Terraria, a world where Cthulhu monsters exist

[weak field]

Any resemblance to real life is purely coincidental

[small timber]

"terraria have woods, therefore it is not fictional because real life have woods too"

[glass arch]

oh hey snake

lao

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren That's,
what

Incredibly weird thing that your friend(s) do specifically
Sounds like you just need to talk to them rather than us implementing anything

(assuming that this isn't just a joke suggestion)

[fossil finch]

Most media literate person ever

In general i am very sorry for your friend because i am absolutely unable to understand how someone would ever think these things

[cobalt pewter]

kids

[fossil finch]

Like my brain has absolutely zero empathy or understanding here it's just so unreal to me

[thin hill]

ammo suggestion number

---

[ashen warren]

we live in a goofball society

unfortunately

[ashen warren]

i mean, my friends arent the only goofballs out there, there's other people who might make the same misunderstanding, and who knows if they have friends to clarify to them or not]

im just saying

[hollow shell]

(also yeah I was going to say the same thing)

[ashen warren]

just a small change to fix a small problem

[hollow shell]

I've never heard of anyone else ever making the misunderstanding for any form of media
And it's not exactly uncommon for a work of fiction to feature gods in it

Sorry

[ashen warren]

eh its fine

[small timber]

oh right rover, the auric ammo suggestion probably should be exclaimed too

recently denied + no reasoning + false reasoning (there is more than 1 post-ML ammo)

[half imp]

yharon soul darts when

[hollow shell]

Yeah fair enough

[bright crag]

I don't quite understand how Insignia would be bad
It's a really powerful mobility accessory
And well, it gives a solid boost even if it's the only movement accessory you're using

(And infinite flight breaks a lot of things)

[swift wharf]

slime shoes tinkers construct

[stable kiln]

it isnt i think people are just underestimating it

[thin hill]

slime airforces

[bright crag]

@golden veldt Your suggestion doesn't have the proper formatting, and it is also a Specific Item Suggestion
(SIS are against the rules)

[golden veldt]

Ok

[bright crag]

Probably
Also, Done, you should ask to get your roles here

[half imp]

(it's not bad)

25% flight time is very good

the other boosts are a bit more w/e but the flight time is amazing

[glass arch]

ye the flight time just gets better as you progress

[stable kiln]

mm maybe

[glass arch]

hell, with just SI and elysian wings you get an extra second of flight time

[toxic basalt]

Slime Shoes already exist, they're called Frog Legs

[glass arch]

yeah true

[toxic basalt]

Plus the acceleration from SI can really help with bosses like Moon Lord and a lot of the PML bosses

[golden veldt]

It would work fundamentally different. You don’t choose to jump if you took a fall you would bounce. And just make them completely negate fall damage then

[toxic basalt]

I'm sorry but there are other things that already negate fall damage, and the bounce feature sounds kinda pointless

plus

[glass arch]

the bounce seems more detrimental than anything in most cases

[toxic basalt]

no suggestions for new items

[golden veldt]

I mean sure the lucky horseshoe is obtainable before bosses, it would just be a fun item

[toxic basalt]

Calcium Potions exist

[glass arch]

if they're overly specific that is

[golden veldt]

Dude half the suggestions are asking for new items idk why mine is getting grilled lmfao

Exo bullets?

Specific

[toxic basalt]

a lot of new item suggestions get grilled

and flagged

[golden veldt]

Soaring insignia upgrade

Specific

[toxic basalt]

Slime Shoes are specific

[glass arch]

well take a look at almost every other suggestion in there

almost all of them are flagged

[toxic basalt]

the suggestions area now is more for suggestions based on potential improvements to existing things that isn't just an entire rework

[glass arch]

and as for the soaring upgrade, its not specific in the fact that it provides reasoning as to why and doesnt say exactly what it does aside from infinite flight

[golden veldt]

But I see we can just give the structure of the item and ideas about it but let calamity come up with the item so basically we do the homework and they put their name on it

Gotcha no specifics can’t have that

[glass arch]

???

[golden veldt]

Have a nice day we out

[glass arch]

you give the idea, if the devs think its a good idea they'll see if they can implement it

there was a solid like 1 item that was implemented based off a suggestion, and that was plantation staff

[drowsy plank]

all of #calamity-mod-talk worming their way out of the woodwork to give the worst ideas ever

[hollow shell]

yeah this is just Frog Leg

[stable kiln]

lmao

[half imp]

i think

it's more like Tinker's Construct minecraft mod slime boots

or minecraft slime blocks on shoe

land and you bounce off the ground

but still not a calamity suggestion imo

[hollow shell]

Automatic bouncing yes
Although that would be, quite annoying

[half imp]

it could be useful depending on how it works

how much speed you maintain and whatnot

[bronze tendon]

Heh

[hollow shell]

(also I have a lot of problems with this message but I don't wanna start an argument after they already left)

[stable kiln]

yikes i didnt even see that message

but yeah probably best to not continue that i suppose

[kindred skiff]

They joined just to make a stupid suggestion

[undone cedar]

These suggestions are So something

[kindred skiff]

[undone cedar]

Its awesome im a huge fan

[drowsy plank]

you know, actually, @hollow shell you think insignia/infinite flight suggs could be added to the frequently asked dont after this latest one bombs? we've seen them a lot and they're almost never good, productive, or actually pass lol

[bright crag]

Same

[versed cape]

Pls implement the last 5 suggestions and ask their authors for advice on shaping calamity, their ideas are outstanding

[undone cedar]

Truueeee

[fervent orbit]

ITS ALL SIS

[toxic basalt]

really is 5 in a row isn't it?

wow

[half imp]

ok well

maybe i should do a good suggestion then

(i'm not gonna bc i want crystal assassin to pass)

[wide river]

I wake up and I see 5 exclaims what the heck happened here

And then there's two more that technically don't break the rules but also aren't great

[halcyon zealot]

Lol

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Yea this is a SIS

Better written than the rest but still SIS and reasoning still is poor but not non existent (said reasoning is just complaining about Soaring insignia being nerfed)

Also Soaring insignia still is extremely useful

Heck even after losing infinite flight it had to be nerfed due to how broken it still was

[drowsy plank]

i think these people just dont actually play the game

[wide river]

It gave +50% flight time for a while, didn't it?

[grim tusk]

Yep, it was comedy

[wide river]

Yharon lore item 2: electric boogaloo

[grim tusk]

But no downside

(Besides taking an acc slot)

[wide river]

To some people here that is a massive downside

I'm referring to the people who think that holding a Demon Conch is a waste of an inventory slot

[swift wharf]

[grim tusk]

Accessories its understandable as its opportunity cost

[grim tusk]

But THIS

[wide river]

It's legit happened here before

[golden sonnet]

I mean, shellphone exists in 1.4.4

and if that isn't worth a slot idk wtf would be

[wide river]

"Noooo but that wastes an inventory slot!!1!1!1"

[halcyon zealot]

He prolly didn't literally mean it, he was grasping at straws at that point

[fervent orbit]

he really was

[halcyon zealot]

[random talon]

See this? ->❗

This ❗

is the entire #suggestions-posting rn

it's all ❗

and that made me ❗

[toxic basalt]

the only non ❗ post is the one at the top

[random talon]

hey what does the 🗜️ mean?

[golden sonnet]

it means it does not follow the bots formatting

[random talon]

ok, thank you

[boreal coral]

y’all got any ideas for calamity melee play through

i’m post plantera

i’m on v 1.3.5.6 though

[golden sonnet]

wrong channel, that would be a question for #help-advice-read-pins, but I doubt many people will know the exact meta for an older version like that

[boreal coral]

my fault gng

[desert briar]

What is that post about god's. If anybody thinks a terraria mod is worshipping "false gods", I don't think they should be on the internet

[blazing kettle]

dobt tell them what the moon lord is

[desert briar]

Yeah also don't let them know about the strong lovecraftian deity inspiration with a lot of creatures in the base game

Don't tell them what Cthulhu means

[wide river]

@olive gazelle Please make sure to add reasoning to your suggestion

[desert briar]

I definitely understand what the reasoning could be, but it would be better to state it

[wide river]

Also, the Evil Island always has the respective dungeon chest inside of it

[desert briar]

A lot of people like to use Fargo's both evils for the full experience of each evil biome so I can understand why it could be important

[blazing kettle]

yeah this sounds mighty inconvienient to do when the evil island as it is is good enough as is

[golden sonnet]

I think its saying if another mod adds both evils on worldgen the chest should be in the dungeon and not on the island

but like, why

[blazing kettle]

fargos both evils:

best of both worlds*

[olive gazelle]

Both evils, for the worthy, getfixedboi

[hollow ridge]

@olive gazelle make a defined title to it too prolly

[olive gazelle]

Crimruption

[golden sonnet]

Why though, why does it matter where the chest is

[hollow ridge]

So like Shift enter

And bold the text maybe

[blazing kettle]

its not siemthing cal needs though

FTW is supposed to be a hard seed

[wide river]

The bold text isn't required, all it needs is a line break

[olive gazelle]

It's a vanilla feature, the check isn't a dumb idea

[blazing kettle]

GFB is ftw on steroids

[hollow ridge]

That's why I said maybe

[desert briar]

Well, cal is going to fully support ftw and getfixedboi in future updates

[olive gazelle]

It just makes less redundancy

[blazing kettle]

why doesnt vanilla do it then? huh?

[wide river]

I mean I'm a full advocate for doing something with evil islands, so I'm not complaining if this passes

[desert briar]

Because relogic is stupid, that's why

[wide river]

Considering all they are right now is just
big

[desert briar]

Don't be like relogic

Do things better

[blazing kettle]

tis because they want owrld variety

its not dumb

its called good game design

giving players options for how they want their workd to be made

[wide river]

Vanilla doesn't add Magic Storage, therefore mods shouldn't have it either
That is how I am interpreting your opinion here

[olive gazelle]

Also, you can just...remove it from the world generation queue
So

Would not be hard to implement

[desert briar]

But if calamity is already adding in a bunch of changes if getfixedboi is active, why not also make the shrine gen properly

It seems like a simple addition

[olive gazelle]

Yeah, I also suggested that

[wide river]

I don't think that the suggestion inherently breaks any rules, so it should be fine

Emphasis on should

[desert briar]

Ik, I was just reiterating it because somebody here seems to have forgotten

[blazing kettle]

while you could argue that, magic storage is a mod thst conpresses your storage to one spot, you can decide to not use it and still use chests whike having both evils built into calamity is bigger, affecting your world in big ways, and the sugg doesnt say anything about being able to turn that off either

[desert briar]

It legit just says to add a check IF both evil biomes are active

[blazing kettle]

ah sorry

[desert briar]

That is a conscious choice that the player has to go out of their way to make

[blazing kettle]

minor reading mistake

[desert briar]

The "option to turn it off" is just disabling the mod that adds both evils or not using the seeds that do

[blazing kettle]

yeah this sugg is okay

[drowsy plank]

configs

[blazing kettle]

might make world gen take longer to make though

[desert briar]

World gen is already forever, who cares

[drowsy plank]

i think this sugg is pointless but it... mostly doesn't break rules so whatever i guess

[desert briar]

Irradiating the sea already takes 15 seconds

[drowsy plank]

thanks for boosting the chances for actually good ones to make it in

[wide river]

I mean
It's not really a balance don't, and the alternative is a complete removal which has failed in the past

So, I guess it's fine?

[blazing kettle]

its best to have devs decide

[wide river]

Yeah, of course

[olive gazelle]

It's not in the configs

[drowsy plank]

you're asking for a config

[olive gazelle]

It's in an advanced world gen mod

Well, yes

Am I not allowed to or smth?

[drowsy plank]

no it's just highly discouraged

[olive gazelle]

And how is it pointless

?

How

[wide river]

It's kinda a "It depends" rule

[drowsy plank]

...in the rules

in the pins

[olive gazelle]

"Suggest things"
"Not like that"

[drowsy plank]

yeah reads the rules

in the pins

which i can tell you didn't despite the message at the top of posting telling you to do so before posting

[blazing kettle]

have you not seen the 7 messages above yours with exclaims on them?

[wide river]

Here's the specific rule that says it, if you can't find it

This suggestion doesn't violate notes 1 or 2

[desert briar]

I think it's a simple change that can help the people who like the harder seeds or that like fargos best of both worlds, so I think it's cool

[drowsy plank]

also to answer your question the change is pointless because it still generates both chests no matter what, so there's no conflict really, and if you're using secret seeds it will gen both evil chests in the dungeon anyway, and if you're using external mods... well how the hell is cal supposed to know that? regardless fargo's both evils... already generates both chests in the dungeon. so this is just like, super pointless. the reason the island exists is to give you other evil blocks earlier

how does this help

this is like the opposite of help you're just removing the evil island because...???

[olive gazelle]

It's removing it IF the there's both evils in the world

[drowsy plank]

yeah why

who cares

[olive gazelle]

Me

[drowsy plank]

ok why?

[desert briar]

Because if there's both evils in the world, the evil island has literally 0 point in existing

[arctic terrace]

but removing it just seems redundant

[olive gazelle]

Pointless if there's both evils

[golden sonnet]

just like, mine the island if you dont like it

[glass arch]

yeah just mine it if you dont like it

[olive gazelle]

Y'all seem to be grately misunderstanding

[drowsy plank]

you can just remove it yourself, it's just pointless extra work for cal devs that doesn't really get you anything

[blazing kettle]

grately

[drowsy plank]

also both shrines already generate if you have both generate

[olive gazelle]

But this is going to be a feature of secret seeds

[drowsy plank]

it already is

[desert briar]

God forbid a convenience change is added

[olive gazelle]

How would Calamity know which island to spawn on For the Worthy, and other seeds

[drowsy plank]

how is this a convenience

this is like

anti convenience

[olive gazelle]

God forbid Calamity players get a reasonable suggestion

[blazing kettle]

go make a ftw world in cal and find out

[olive gazelle]

Aight

[drowsy plank]

HOW IS THIS A CONVENIENCE

someone just actually explain that to me i want to know

[blazing kettle]

it choses your selected world evil when you are making your world

[olive gazelle]

For the worthy spawns BOTH

[glass arch]

drunk worlds have a set evil type, as shown by which evil ore and altar spawns outside of the world evil (it may also change the ones in the evils too, not sure)

[blazing kettle]

like if you chose corruption it makes a crimson island

[wide river]

I don't see how it's a convenience, but I don't see how it's not either

[glass arch]

drunk worlds spawn both, not ftw

[drowsy plank]

it's just

Nothing

[blazing kettle]

yes it does but you still get to choose your world evil

[olive gazelle]

Ah, my mistake

But yes, some seeds spawn both

[drowsy plank]

hence me calling it pointless because literally nothing changes except like. idk you get one evil chest instead of two

[olive gazelle]

And what is I select random on a drunk world seed?

[drowsy plank]

it still picks one

internally

[blazing kettle]

seed is not checked

[olive gazelle]

It should be

[drowsy plank]

tell red

[desert briar]

But what's the point of the evil island in that case, no matter what evil it is

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[glass arch]

it picks a random one and that dictates which ore spawns and which altar spawns you get iirc

[drowsy plank]

what's the point in removing it

[blazing kettle]

well it isnt because of this exact scenario

[olive gazelle]

But...in drunk worlds, both ores spawn

And drop

[blazing kettle]

read whst i am saying please

[drowsy plank]

one of them is still dominate and will be the one you get on the first day, which it flips between

for world events like what items dryads sells, which biome mimics you get, etc.

[desert briar]

If the point of the evil island Is to obtain blocks from the other evil, but you have both evils, then there's no point in having a giant piece of dirt and rock in the sky, it just doesn't make sense to have it there at that point

Its just wasted space

[blazing kettle]

go make 2 drunk worlds, one with corruption selected and one with crimson selected, then find your evil island, it will ALWAYS be the opposite of what you chose im when making a world

[drowsy plank]

ok but what is the point in wasting this time to add code to check if there's two and to remove it

frankly you could just ask to have evil island removed entirely and id be more on board with it

lmao

[desert briar]

I'd be on board with that too

I hate evil island, and everybody uses mods that give them ways of obtaining the evil blocks anyway

[drowsy plank]

but this weird like anxious middle ground just feels ridiculous

lmao

[glass arch]

yeah the islands dont do a whole lot
and 1.4.4 might make the biome loot swappable via shimmer, dont remember

[drowsy plank]

it does, the only issue is you still only get one evil dungeon chest

[olive gazelle]

So, this is fine according to y'all?

[drowsy plank]

👍

[blazing kettle]

yes

[arctic terrace]

yes

[blazing kettle]

its one tiny little island lmao

[olive gazelle]

Eugh

[golden sonnet]

is that a small world?

[drowsy plank]

that looks like a small world lmao

[glass arch]

you can mine it out if you need to

[golden sonnet]

that looks like a small world

[desert briar]

Isn't it calamity that enables crafting the chest item using the key, or am I thinking of a qol mod?

[olive gazelle]

Test world

[drowsy plank]

that is a qol mod

[desert briar]

Damn

Maybe that should be a suggestion

[olive gazelle]

I made a small world to allow me to generate faster

[golden sonnet]

calamity doesn't support small worlds, I believe it even tells you this on world gen

[wide river]

Ok
Calamity doesn't cater to most secret seeds
They don't worry that much about cross-mod things like Fargo's Best of Both Worlds
The config seems near useless with this in consideration

[arctic terrace]

cal doesnt spport small worlds

[golden sonnet]

so yeah, the island will be obtrusive then

[drowsy plank]

posts a screenshot of the evil island looking bad, uses a world type the mod doesn't support

lul

[olive gazelle]

That literally has nothing to do with the discussion

[desert briar]

But there are major changes being made to calamity if you have getfixedboi active

[drowsy plank]

there is practically no discussion at all lmao

[olive gazelle]

The world size is completely irrelevant lmao

Are y'all dense

[wide river]

Calamity isn't in 1.4.4 yet, I will not consider this at all

[drowsy plank]

i dont get what point you're trying to make with the screenshot then

[blazing kettle]

sort of does because the island is super close ti the ground, making it look worse than it actually is

[desert briar]

So compared to reworking bosses for it, making a tiny world gen change doesn't seem like that much of a hassle

[drowsy plank]

secret seeds are a joke

[olive gazelle]

Fine, I'll generate a fucking large world then

[blazing kettle]

im not saying you have to

its just for future refrence

[glass arch]

well floating islands are also pretty close to the ground in some places on drunk worlds (even on large)
not sure if that applies to the evil islands tho

[desert briar]

I love the secret seeds 😭

[drowsy plank]

i mean i find them fun too but like

they're still a joke

[wide river]

Then you do you
Doesn't mean Calamity has to cater to all of them

[drowsy plank]

i dont mean that in an insulting way

[desert briar]

I regularly play for the worthy for fun

[drowsy plank]

fabsol literally just adds shitpost changes just like red does

[glass arch]

yeah secret seeds are just there for the devs to fuck around with

[blazing kettle]

gfb is literally meant to be reds ultimate terraria funny moment

[wide river]

For the Worthy and Getfixedboi are the only two that will be changed
Ever

[olive gazelle]

Wow, it still looks stupid

[glass arch]

gfb is the ultimate joke seed

[drowsy plank]

it literally looks fine

what are you talking about

[olive gazelle]

It it 1 check

[blazing kettle]

the hell happened to the snow biome

[olive gazelle]

Drunk seed

[drowsy plank]

that's just how seed works

[blazing kettle]

oh

[glass arch]

ye drunk seeds spawn ice and jungle on same side

[blazing kettle]

where the fuck is the abyss

[olive gazelle]

Not generated yet

I paused it

[glass arch]

hasnt genned yet

[drowsy plank]

like i said earlier, if you want to remove the island, just ask for it to get removed outright, id prefer that than this wishy washy middle ground

[blazing kettle]

ah

[wide river]

It doesn't matter how easy it might be: If it won't help that much, then Calamity shouldn't add it
It's like saying that Maid Calamitas should be added because it'd be really easy

[olive gazelle]

But then you can't access the biome chest in single evil worlds

[drowsy plank]

yeah and

[desert briar]

The only real use for evil island I see is if you can't stand looking at boss checklist and seeing hive mind unchecked

[olive gazelle]

1. No
2. That's a fucking fetish shit

[drowsy plank]

???????

[desert briar]

What the fuck

[arctic terrace]

what

[drowsy plank]

[olive gazelle]

How is "Maid SCal" the same as "Toggle Evil Island"

Apples to forks

[drowsy plank]

oh that

[golden sonnet]

wtf is happening in this channel

[desert briar]

OH

[olive gazelle]

They have nothing to do with each other

[drowsy plank]

that's so funny

[desert briar]

You were talking about the other one

[olive gazelle]

Fucking Calamity player brain rot jesus

[desert briar]

I thought you were responding to this

[drowsy plank]

we all did

[olive gazelle]

Remind me to never speak in this god forsaken server, y'all got the IQ of a fucking PET bottle

[drowsy plank]

regardless it's still just a nothing change

[desert briar]

No need to resort to insults

[drowsy plank]

okay maybe it's time to go talk to modmail

[glass arch]

im guessing theres a lot of really common qol mods that allow you to swap the biome chest loot

[desert briar]

We're all trying to be civil here

[olive gazelle]

It makes
No sense to have an evil island
For seeds and worlds with both evils

[wide river]

Another pin moment

[olive gazelle]

You compared it to a fucking Maid SCal texture

Of course I'm mad

[arctic terrace]

and theres no practical reason to implement a feature to change world gen for such a niche scenario

[olive gazelle]

It is 1 fucking line of code

[glass arch]

if they need to you can ask cal to add a shimmer recipe for vamp knives to scourge of the corruptor and vice versa (when shimmer is added of course)

[desert briar]

Is it against the rules to ask for evil island to be removed? I might just make that suggestion

[olive gazelle]

That...doesn't solve anything

I never asked to REMOVE the island

[wide river]

It's been suggested before

[olive gazelle]

I said to check if both evils are in the world

[wide river]

It died

[glass arch]

with how terraria is coded its not hard to bump that up to like 5

[olive gazelle]

Reading comprehension

[desert briar]

Yeah, but I want to

[glass arch]

at the least

[drowsy plank]

okay this aint about u we want to remove the island if we do anything with it at all

[olive gazelle]

But why

[desert briar]

I understand what you said, but I wanna make a different suggestion

[blazing kettle]

yo usaid to remove the island if both evils are detected in workd generation

[olive gazelle]

Yes

[glass arch]

if we change anything with the island id rather remove it as a whole

[drowsy plank]

because like you said it's pointless, but it's pointless in any world

[worthy lintel]

yo huh

think y'all can be less heated for a bit

[olive gazelle]

I swear, every time I speak here, people say the dumbest shit...

[desert briar]

Wasn't there something about how the code for zombie ai is like 50 lines

[blazing kettle]

this sounds suoer complicated wheb the island isnt hurting anyone

[desert briar]

It's a dumpster fire, a coding nightmare if you will

[olive gazelle]

How is it complicated

[drowsy plank]

the only person being "dumb" here is you resorting to insulting people because we want to actually discuss it

[glass arch]

terraria code is a mess of spaghetti

[drowsy plank]

if you'd read the rules you'd understand that's literally just how this channel works lmao

[olive gazelle]

If ebonstone and crimstone = don't gen island, gen both shrines
If not = continue as is

I know it's more complicated than that, but if it's literally two buttons in another mod, I'm more than certain Fabsol can handle it as a config

[worthy lintel]

floating island has been.... controversial over the years

[drowsy plank]

a little

[worthy lintel]

barely

[olive gazelle]

I don't mind the evil island, but I do mind it when I have both evils, it feels stupid

[worthy lintel]

hell yea mod notif

[blazing kettle]

bot?

[drowsy plank]

looked like it yeah

posting a discord invite

[wide river]

It's def a bot

It happened in two other channels

[desert briar]

With the 50 different qol mods that add ways to get other evil items, it just seems unnecessary to have the evil island to begin with

[drowsy plank]

also the vanilla methods of doing so

[blazing kettle]

bots when the other bot tells them no

[olive gazelle]

And a more egregious transgression
The alternate shrine not spawning at all in dual evil worlds

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure ive seen both shrines in dual evil worlds, personally

[blazing kettle]

you dont need the other shrine though???

[desert briar]

What even is in corruption shrine? I never make corruption

[wide river]

Looks like a ufo

[olive gazelle]

They have different stats

[blazing kettle]

oh

[drowsy plank]

the other effiegy

[blazing kettle]

sorry i thought you meant

the altar

lmao

[desert briar]

Oh right, the stupid effigy's

I never use those

[drowsy plank]

i hope the effigies die they both suck

[arctic terrace]

to be fair, i dont think cal would want to make the mod "depend" on those QoL mods to get both evils.

[olive gazelle]

Altar?

[drowsy plank]

the only people that use them are nohitters that spawn in like 999 of them to slap around an arena

evil altars

[blazing kettle]

the dekon altar

thats used to make the nights edge?

[olive gazelle]

How was any of what I said related to Demon Altars

[glass arch]

the island is able to be really easily bypassed with a graveyard and the dryad
you can ask for cal to add a shimmer recipe to swap the biome chest loot when shimmer is added
as for the shrines, thats a bit more egregious than the island

[glass arch]

he thought you meant the alternate evil altar when you said shrine

[desert briar]

Qol mods are pretty much just accepted at this point. Imagine having to check the guide for every recipe, or store things in 10,000 different chests

[olive gazelle]

And the effigy?
Having both evil chests?
Having both evil weapons?