suggestions-discussion

[wide river]

People really don't want to have to deal with the worst feature of the game
Playing the game

[errant bobcat]

Or reading for 2 min to see that there’s been 5 Suggs about this in the past 3 months

Or something close to that

And is the zenith sugg against the zenith clause of the rules or no

[wide river]

All it does is make the crafting more consistent

To get the Zenith you'd already have a Cosmic Anvil

And every other Auric Bar craft requires the Cosmic Anvil as well

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[glass arch]

arent there a lot of freeze debuffs that dont need to exist

like isnt glacial state essentially a frozen clone

[fervent orbit]

yea but

[glass arch]

the real question is why does eutrophication exist

[fervent orbit]

exo freeze works on more

thats kinda why it exists in the first place

[glass arch]

and its also inflicted by a total of 2 sources

[fervent orbit]

its much simpler to make a new debuff that is just the same but is immune to less than making specific exceptions for 2 weapons

tldr theres no point to remove it

[distant gyro]

too bad it's dead

[fervent orbit]

also im pretty sure both have different freeze cds too

[glass arch]

temporal sadness... i wish i could tell how many npcs are immune to it without decompiling the tmod file
curse the wiki for just redirecting to teardrop cleaver

[distant gyro]

there's some subtleties to them but it hardly matters

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[fervent orbit]

me

i might as well look then

[distant gyro]

have fun

[fervent orbit]

ill try

:c

[drowsy plank]

bc there's no other water stun
frankly it deserves to exist more than most

[distant gyro]

pretty sure the answer is none of them unless they are immune to all debuffs

or immune to slows at the period of time

[fervent orbit]

so my understanding is that i have no fucking idea

[distant gyro]

lol

[glass arch]

isnt eutrophication also a water debuff

actually temporal sadness is a cold debuff

[distant gyro]

sadness is
A. cold
B. does more than freeze

[fervent orbit]

lets not mention that soma prime has its own debuff too lol

[distant gyro]

you do say that but gimmick debuffs have reasons to be exclusive

[glass arch]

its one of the only stacking debuffs so thats gotta count for something

[fervent orbit]

yea and endogenesis has exo freeze

[distant gyro]

exo freeze is just a glorified frozen clone

[fervent orbit]

exo freeze is supposed to work on bosses

thats wat makes it different

[glass arch]

the other 2 are daybroken when used with daybreak and the debuff blood butcherer gets in 1.4.4

[distant gyro]

except it's not

it is under generic ice immunities

[fervent orbit]

if anything just remove exo freeze from exo blade and rename it so its unique to endogenesis

[distant gyro]

literally the same division as glacial state

idk if decompiler has this, it should

[fervent orbit]

its somewhere in here

[distant gyro]

CalamityMod defined a list of debuff immunity on category

[grim tusk]

Isnt Exo freeze already dead?

[distant gyro]

under ice it has glacial state AND exo freeze

so they literally affect the same amount of enemies

[fervent orbit]

2 weapons

[distant gyro]

[fervent orbit]

but glacial state doesnt work on some bosses

[glass arch]

and exo freeze also doesnt work on some bosses

[fervent orbit]

aside from the worms since theyll most likely bug out, that leaves cryogen, anahita, polter and cv

[distant gyro]

in 3

[fervent orbit]

actually nvm, as and ds arent immune to exo freeze for some reason

but that still only adds thanatos, sw, destroyer and dog

[glass arch]

i dont think they're immune to anything but confusion

[distant gyro]

AS is immune whilst spinning

[fervent orbit]

as is prob immune to like

poison debuffs

[glass arch]

oh ds is also immune to pearl aura

[fervent orbit]

every boss is

despite it not being able to gotten during boss fights

[distant gyro]

strike

(ignore horror

[glass arch]

its dead?

[fervent orbit]

horror???

[distant gyro]

horror is a long removed debuff which never had its image removed for some reason

[drowsy plank]

lol

[glass arch]

lmfao

[sleek turret]

lmao

[distant gyro]

so it just ate up file size for free

[sleek turret]

[distant gyro]

only like 16kb but that's all that matters

[drowsy plank]

now lets kill some fire debuffs

[fervent orbit]

horror

[fervent orbit]

AGREE

tf is "fishalert"

since when did fish become alert

[drowsy plank]

abyss alert

[distant gyro]

deliberately kill vanilla fire debuffs for contributing 5/11 debuffs in the system

[drowsy plank]

god real

when are we getting godslayer surge frfr

[distant gyro]

soon but not under that name silly

[drowsy plank]

fair

[distant gyro]

also sprite slacking sm

[fervent orbit]

i got a sprite (just make it purple)

can u call me an artist now

[distant gyro]

same for the corruption debuff that will get people to shut up about crimson having a burning blood of advantage

aptly named after the effect that occurs when browsing through reddit (brain rot)

[drowsy plank]

ooo

nice

[fervent orbit]

brain??? but thats crimson! how dare you!!!!

[drowsy plank]

are burning blood and brain rot finally gonna become sickness debuffs too? lmfao

[fervent orbit]

no its burning so fire

clearly

[drowsy plank]

fuk u

[glass arch]

no no thats what you get when you stay in cmt for 3 seconds too long

[drowsy plank]

so true

[distant gyro]

so 3 seconds

[fervent orbit]

exactly

[half imp]

what about electric debuffs

it's better than water (lol only crush depth) but uh

[distant gyro]

GSI convert

[half imp]

oh yea

[glass arch]

nah eutrophication too

[half imp]

eutro doesn't do dmg

[glass arch]

i only know this because i have the debuffs page open

[half imp]

me too

[glass arch]

its still a water debuff and when theres only one other you kinda just gotta take it

[half imp]

so for damaging debuffs

cold
frostbite, frostbun

electric
elecrtified, GSI

heat
banishing fire, brim flame, cursed inferno, daybroken, dragonfire, hellfire, holy fire, on fire!, shadowflame, vuln hex

sickness
acid venom, astral infection, kami flu, plague, poison, sage poison, sulphur poison

water
crush depths

water really being shafted

1 dmg debuff + that debuff is the ONLY one to be reduced by defense

[crude geode]

Fire (derogatory)

[distant gyro]

shellfish claps

[half imp]

if only they were water

(shellfish would be broken as heck)

[crude geode]

Not only is it over represented in weapons it’s also overrepresented in debuffs

[distant gyro]

might just turn into a more generalized debuff

[half imp]

honestly most of the fire debuffs can't really go unfortunately

brim flames could die and banishing fire could die

and holy fire

but the rest are either vanilla or the only debuff for their tier

[distant gyro]

brimstone is integral to existence at this point so it can't really die

[half imp]

brimstone dying isn't practical yeah

but it's one that in theory matters the least

[distant gyro]

recolor the entirety of crags to green and then make them cursed clearly

[half imp]

replace brim flames with searing lava on enemies tbh

[distant gyro]

arguably daybroken shouldn't really exist as a regular joe debuff

[crude geode]

You’ve heard of weapon lines now get ready for debuff lines

[distant gyro]

those are like solar fragment exclusive

[half imp]

yeah

[distant gyro]

so holy flames would've also justified existence

[half imp]

if daybroken was made exclusive Holy Flames has reason

but as is daybroken kinda just isn't

[glass arch]

holy fire should get a rebrand at least, because of prov not really leaning into holy anymore according to cei

[distant gyro]

and for banishing fire, dev item with gimmick

[half imp]

yea

although banishing fire could easily just be modified holy flames like lionfish uses

[half imp]

so does that mean exo freeze was already removed?

if so suggestion should be killed

... also

provi could inflict daybroken

it's "incinerated by solar rays"

it's the opposite of nightwither

.. it just would need cal to give it a debuff icon lol

[crude geode]

Might become a balance problem

What with both post cultist weapons and post provi ones relying on it

But I like the concept

[half imp]

true

and pre cultist

subduction slicer on it's way to infict daybroken for ???

(why)

[fervent orbit]

clearly the solution is to upgrade daybroken post probi

[crude geode]

Clearly the solution is to obliterate your balls

[fervent orbit]

make it so it can stack more

[fervent orbit]

wow

[crude geode]

[fervent orbit]

how dare you

[ripe owl]

Cursed that was very rude of you

[half imp]

for the record daybroken is actually 10 DPS better than holy fire

[crude geode]

Wacky

[frosty trellis]

1 - Daybroken now inflicts 1 dps instead of 110 ✅ Done

[half imp]

it does 100

doesn't holy fire do 90

[frosty trellis]

Holy fire is 100

[half imp]

oh so it is

literally the same

LOL

[crude geode]

wow

incredible

[wide river]

I do wonder why Daybroken does 25 damage every quarter-second as opposed to 100 damage every second

Considering they're literally the same thing

[cobalt pewter]

funnier

[wide river]

I guess

[half imp]

no debuff does it's full damage in one hit

cal makes it do 1/5th the DPS 5 times a second iirc

For cal debuffs at least

[wide river]

But WHY

[errant bobcat]

looks cleaner

[kindred skiff]

Since daybroken is a mid debuff, we’ve removed the solar pillar

[distant gyro]

the world may rejoice if solar pillar is dead

[frosty trellis]

Idk

Nebula pillar is worse imo

[errant bobcat]

Nebula pillar you’re able to deal with as ranger, Solar just makes rangers die

They can’t go in the air to avoid the shots that are reflected back at them

[glass arch]

nebula pillar is just annoying

[grim tusk]

Eventide

[wide river]

Every pillar has some factor of annoyance

Stardust with Flow Invaders, Vortex with Alien Queens, and Solar and Nebula with everything

[kindred skiff]

the whole vanilla endgame should be removed

from cultist up to moon lord

[wide river]

Reject 1.3, return to console 1.2

[kindred skiff]

yes

with shitty bosses like ocram and lepus

[distant gyro]

empress of light final boss fr

[kindred skiff]

final boss is lepus with him shitting those annoying ass bunnies

[wide river]

But actually though

[kindred skiff]

I hate lepus

even worse than ocram

[distant gyro]

lepus is such a funnily goofy boss

second to turkor

[wide river]

I think that the removed bosses could've been something great, if vanilla kept them

[kindred skiff]

I like turkor

[kindred skiff]

calamity should re add lepus and make him batshit difficult

post scal boss

[wide river]

That's not up to Calamity to do

[kindred skiff]

Are the removed bosses in the game files?

[wide river]

No

[kindred skiff]

it was a joke

ofc it's not going to happen

[cobalt pewter]

depends

ocram is kinda unsalvageable, but the other two should be doable

[wide river]

Ah right. Vanilla can't add Ocram because it wasn't developed by Re-Logic, right?

[kindred skiff]

yep

[cobalt pewter]

like Lepus and Turkor would be actually incredible to be had as holiday bosses, if they flesh it out a bit more

[half imp]

just make cultist the final boss

it'd be funny

[kindred skiff]

I didn't like lepus

[cobalt pewter]

filling in on Easter and Thanksgiving months would make the game a bit more festive across the year

[novel belfry]

yeah, I think those bosses were ACTUALLY unique and would absolutely pass as vanilla bosses

[kindred skiff]

he summons lepus

[half imp]

turkor should come back

idk about lepus

[kindred skiff]

yes turkor was fun

and his drops were good

like cornucopia

[cobalt pewter]

lepus can be adjusted

instead of being more lepus

it's just temporary lepus

from the eggs

[kindred skiff]

it should be like the zote arena thing

where more and more appear

[cobalt pewter]

Turkor pioneered hydra-styled bosses in Terraria

which is funny

you'd expect some edgy mod bosses would be the first

but no it's a zany turkey

[novel belfry]

a partially cooked one at that

[wide river]

I absolutely would love if that would happen, although I don't have any outlet to suggest it to Red

[novel belfry]

a partially undead, pissed off turkey hydra

[kindred skiff]

I should make a calamity tier list based on how edible the bosses are

[cobalt pewter]

he opens Twitter DMs every once a while

[cobalt pewter]

what

[wide river]

Someone's done that already

[kindred skiff]

he responds a lot on twitter

so that's your best bet

You gotta have your tweet get a few hundred likes though

[glass arch]

ocram would be so cool if it was good and made by relogic

[cobalt pewter]

nah ocram just sucks laoo

[kindred skiff]

except ocram isn't good and isn't made by re logic

they should make ocram that cthulhu image

[glass arch]

precisely

[kindred skiff]

wait that's also stealing

nvm

[wide river]

I don't really want to make a Twitter account for the sole purpose of suggesting a terraria addition
Plus, I don't want to suggest things to Re-Logic until enough time has passed since the unfortunate incident

It just seems inconsiderate to immediately be like "Hey add this please"

[cobalt pewter]

ye I'm not saying you should do it NOW or anything

but whenever red accepts suggestions

[kindred skiff]

trust me 5 year olds have already done that

It's extremely distasteful

wait isn't this chat supposed to be about calamity suggestions

[wide river]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

yea.

[kindred skiff]

we got off topic

[cobalt pewter]

expand frost legion

[kindred skiff]

just remove frost legion

[wide river]

It will never happen

[kindred skiff]

the event fucking scks

[cobalt pewter]

damn!

[wide river]

Pretty much every single suggestion that has been made about changing Frost Legion has been denied or died in voting

Although, the most recent one is looking promising

[kindred skiff]

which one

I usually only read #suggestions-posting to laugh at the bad ones

[wide river]

This one
#suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

#suggestions-voting message this one i think

[wide river]

Ye

[kindred skiff]

ah that one is good

[glass arch]

wasnt sure if someone else had made another when i wasnt looking

[wide river]

Regarding the "Remove Exo Freeze" suggestion, would it be worth mentioning that it is the exact same function as Webbed/Frozen/Stoned?

[drowsy plank]

it's already done, im pretty sure it's just another one of those "wait until it's in voting to 🛠️ it" things

[wide river]

Has it really?

[drowsy plank]

why can't we just add 🛠️ to #suggestions-posting so we dont get people asking about stuff like this

yes uhhhhh

altix did it earlier

[wide river]

Huh

[drowsy plank]

here

[wide river]

Oh, huh

I guess I somehow missed that

[wide river]

I do agree that would be nice to have, perhaps someone should mod mail about it

Ah right, I had just remembered about this
I was planning on making this suggestion but I had completely forgotten about doing so

[drowsy plank]

well im going to bed so

feel free lmao

[atomic shell]

oh I forgot I had an absolutely banger sugg idea earlier

[wide river]

Do you still remember what it was?

[atomic shell]

I’m typing it rn

[wide river]

Ah, sorry

[grim tusk]

@atomic shell just remove all mentions of being like old Fungal Symbiote as that makes it specific

[atomic shell]

oh alright

yeah I was thinking of rewording anyways actually

[small timber]

your suggestion literally can just be "make luxor's gift work with true melee weapon" yes

[cobalt pewter]

Luxor's Gift kinda

needs to be looked at? idk it seemed to be a bit too simple nowadays

[atomic shell]

Yeah honestly

I’ll do that

[small timber]

whether or not they (finally) cap luxor's gift damage will automatically deal with it anyway

[atomic shell]

okay I reworked the sugg

@grim tusk does this look better now

[cobalt pewter]

imo luxor should be:

• melee: sure pre rework fungal symbiote works ig idc much
• ranged: Now Smart Bounces between enemies instead of just piercing
• magic: probably doesn't need much changes?
• summon: becomes sentry instead
• rogue: projectile is far bigger on stealth strikes and it also procs stealth strike effects

[atomic shell]

how would a sentry accessory work

[ripe owl]

True

[grim tusk]

Yes

@frosty kindle can you get rid of the exclam on the luxors sugg

[ripe owl]

I am slow

[frosty kindle]

👍

[ripe owl]

Meme posting in front of mods

[atomic shell]

I like to live dangerously

that’s why they call me mr. danger

(they don’t)

[desert briar]

Giving astral reduced spawn rates if npcs are nearby wouldn't work very well. The biome is already one of the smallest in the game and that would further limit the area to kill mobs in

[drowsy plank]

then just... dont place the pylon??

make more astral biome, go underground, just break the thing until you're done, use zerg and battle potions

there are plenty of ways to fix that issue and basically none except place peace and zen candles and prayge to fix the other

you could even give the pylon a right click so you could disable it like candles, maybe even make it wire compatible

[desert briar]

One thing that a lot of people don't also seem to understand is that with the calamity pylons they don't need to be in the biome

[drowsy plank]

...

that

is a bug

if that is true

[desert briar]

As long as the npcs and the pylon are near the biome, they're usable

I think there's some sort of invisible radius for it

[drowsy plank]

well. yeah that's how every pylon works as long as it's considered the biome it's in the biome

[desert briar]

I've had it where it's literally snowing while I'm in the snow biome and I can still use the astral pylon

[drowsy plank]

...

astral overlaps with snow

astral snow is a block that exists

[desert briar]

But there's not even astral background, so how does that work

[drowsy plank]

biome conflicts

there's more normal snow than astral snow, but there's still enough of both loaded for it to be both biomes, presumably

biome code is really fucking weird

[desert briar]

All of terraria code is really fucking weird

[drowsy plank]

< has made 5 or 6 modded fishing farms

[desert briar]

It's a miracle this game works

[drowsy plank]

very true

astral needs a stupid fucking amount of blocks to exist too like 1600 or something ridiculous. which i guess is kinda comperable to snow and desert but even then it's still a lot, and is laughable when compared to like jungle, hallowed, normals world evils

[desert briar]

I swear I can create an artificial snow biome with like 300 blocks though

[blazing kettle]

@subtle gazelle your sugg has poor reasoning and we will not be adding any further rewards to boss rush anyways

[umbral gazelle]

rock boulder is removed

[grave zinc]

@median geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Sulphurous sand and Astral sand usable with the sand gun]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[median geyser]

Holy shit

I did it

[distant gyro]

you really don't like your world

but it's there

[median geyser]

Hell yeah

Do they do special effects or are they just reskins of corrupted and crimson sand

*and hollowed

[distant gyro]

it's all sand

[median geyser]

[drowsy plank]

they have the bonus effect of working with sand gun

[swift wharf]

why is it floating

[ripe owl]

That's how Sand Gun works

Also because Sulphurous sand is not affected by gravity iirc

[swift wharf]

i forgot about that

[drowsy plank]

gravity affected sulph sand when

[ripe owl]

Tomorrow

No cap

[distant gyro]

clueless player entering an old sulph sea

[unreal saffron]

Yo its me again. Yesterdays discussion made me realize something. There are a few names of items that cause some confusion. Daedalus armor and Daedalus Storm bow are completely unrelated, and Daedalus is no longer a figure in the lore. Should it be renamed?

[small timber]

probably yes

[random talon]

I saw the suggestion for the rock boulder, and it does sound hella funny to combine a bunch of rocks into a boulder

Maybe we could create rock planet

👍

ROCKS SHALL RULE OVER THE WORLD

[hollow ridge]

@random talon

Make it biggrr

[dense ferry]

My brother in Christ

This isn't the Infernum server

[hollow ridge]

Wait

[random talon]

sorry im editing it now

[hollow ridge]

LMAO

[halcyon zealot]

lmao

[random talon]

wait

[hollow ridge]

Wrong server

💀

No way

[random talon]

there's an infurnum server

[hollow ridge]

Ain't no way

[random talon]

?

[hollow ridge]

Yeab

?????

Server invite. Invite your friends or something if they wanna check the mod out!
https://discord.gg/dMudt2xPpP

Silly

[dense ferry]

Well, you are in bad timing too

[hollow ridge]

Oh

[dense ferry]

Invites for the Infernum Server have been closed

[random talon]

hmmm

[hollow ridge]

Trol

Bad idea anyway

[dense ferry]

Damn

[hollow ridge]

What made you think you should sugg that here?

[random talon]

Idk

maybe it was

gtg

[hollow ridge]

Whacky

[hollow shell]

wait what

https://discord.gg/infernum-mod

damn it
Why

[hollow ridge]

Yeah

There was a server announcement

2 seconds

[hollow shell]

damn.

[hollow ridge]

Tldr not enough moderation for how big the server is getting and it's getting archived after 1.9

Yeah

Shame

[hollow shell]

I shoulda joined when I had the chance, if I knew it was gonna be locked down

(pretty awkward considering we were planning on adding Infernum to #other-discords )

[hollow ridge]

Yeah surprised that wasn't done sooner tbh

Shame anyways

[half imp]

yeah

now to report bugs uhh

get someone else to do it??

[random pasture]

Rip infernum discord

[unreal saffron]

Rip

Boss rush is made harder by the difficulty right?

Ok so hear me out

Rock

Relic

Literally just the rock but painted with yellow paint

[random talon]

YEAAAAA

Yea I

'm back

and hit enter by mistake

So as I was saying, what made me think it would be ok to post my Infernum related suggestion was me not knowing of the Infernum Discord even existing

[desert briar]

I think the Daedalus change is a good idea

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
Regarding this suggestion, there is only one other item labeled with the Daedalus name: Daedalus Golem Staff

Ah, wait. This is already planned.

[swift wharf]

rename permafrost to daedalus

[desert briar]

Permafrost armor? Considering it appears after cryogen defeat armor could be named after him

[dense ferry]

Jesus Christ no

Permafrost Armor sounds so ass

[ripe owl]

If I were to choose, I'd call it something like

[wide river]

Frigid Armor

[ripe owl]

I lied, I don't know good names for frozen stuff

I am sleepy af anyways

[swift wharf]

fridge armor

the thing is

frost armor.

[ripe owl]

Hypothermic armor

Bone-Chilling

[wide river]

Hmmm yes let's rename an armor to sound similar to a completely different armor
This will not cause any confusion

[ripe owl]

🍨

[ripe owl]

So true

[swift wharf]

frost armor will forever scuff daedalus

[ripe owl]

Aurora armor maybe?

[swift wharf]

actually just make daedalus not ranged or melee

😎

[wide river]

So true

Death to the multi helmets

[ripe owl]

Meanie

Reaver is a good multi-helmet armor

[wide river]

That one's fine

[swift wharf]

or just kill the entire set and make forbidden post cryo

[wide river]

The rest not so much

[golden sonnet]

I like this a lot

[swift wharf]

and then uhhhh daedalus rogue

[ripe owl]

Anyway I am going to sleep

[wide river]

Night

[ripe owl]

Or else my brain will turn into mush

[grim tusk]

For a moment I thought it said “Rework Daedalus armor”

[fervent orbit]

lo

[swift wharf]

I mean might as well do that too

[grim tusk]

@abstract veldt thats a SIS

[swift wharf]

but theres prob one already inv oting for that

[grim tusk]

[abstract veldt]

Yooo Hii

[grim tusk]

We prob will, eventually

[fervent orbit]

you can not have specific item suggestions

or more like

"suggestions"

[abstract veldt]

Ah I see sry

My bad

[cobalt pewter]

sis and dono upgrade lo

[wide river]

Oh yeah Shade
The Daedalus suggestion is already planned, from what I've heard

[fervent orbit]

"from what ive heard" literally confirmed

i mean its not in changelogs so its perfectly fine

[wide river]

But it's from what I've heard

[fervent orbit]

[grim tusk]

Plans arent very concrete (we are focusing on other armors first) so its fine to stay

[wide river]

That's fine, just thought I'd make sure you knew

[hollow shell]

The first half of that suggestion was acceptable

Just uhh led into an SIS in the second half

[grim tusk]

(Barely)

[hollow shell]

Sus cuz it was based on a Patreon weapon but that doesn't make it disallowed
nor do we have a problem with integrating donor weps into non-donor content

[random talon]

Guys the Temple Key has a slight problem

When I saw the crafting recipe

I thought "that's useless, I can't fight Golem until after Plantera"

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't the donor need to be contacted first for this kinda thing?

[random talon]

bc that's how it works in vanilla

[cobalt pewter]

I know Singularity replacing Duststorm in Supernova was because Singularity was the newer one

[random talon]

I think it should be a bit more obvious that the Temple Key has a use

[cobalt pewter]

but I haven't seen the precedent of non-donor thing made after donor thing it's crafted from

[wide river]

Do you not think that someone would craft it and try to open the door?

[random talon]

good point

[swift wharf]

if you were supposed to fight it after plant, why would there be a pre plant recipe

[random talon]

but my issue is that the player wouldn't expect to be able to summon Golem

bc the power cells don't work until after Plantera

[swift wharf]

they do work

[random talon]

in vanilla at least

[swift wharf]

before them

a

I mean the cells can also be crafted pre golem

[random talon]

yea

you can still get cells pre-plantera in vanilla

hoik

[swift wharf]

you could add a tooltip but

will the player even read it

[wide river]

Considering people don't read the Pwnhammer tooltip, no

[random talon]

probably

oh

well, that's their problem

[wide river]

If your plan was to make a suggestion making it more prominent that Golem can be fought at anytime, then I think you can do that

[random talon]

yea that was my idea

[wide river]

Go ahead, then. I don't see how there would be a problem

[random talon]

ok

[tardy geyser]

The old powercell can be used at any time, but not the regular ones

[random talon]

ok

[tardy geyser]

those are still only usable post plant

[random talon]

interesting

[wide river]

Ah, you're right.

[grim tusk]

Ancient powercell exists due to the vanilla block

Hardcoding 💀

[wide river]

Vanilla hardcoding

[random talon]

alright it's posted

[wide river]

Looks good

[hollow shell]

ye

[drowsy plank]

i wonder if there's any way to dejankify ancient powercell

maybe you could make using the key on the door give you one? you could lock it to prePlant too, is the only thing i can think of

[wide river]

Would that work? I don't think there's anything that works like that in vanilla

The closest thing I can think of is the Minecart Upgrade Kit, but that's in 1.4.4 and is different

[drowsy plank]

very true

[abstract veldt]

Was what I just posted a SIS?

[drowsy plank]

no but that reasoning is
bad

like sorry but it just is

there are plenty of worm shredders on every tier

[abstract veldt]

That’s fair, I’ll fix it in a bit.

[drowsy plank]

i could see more of an appeal due to a lack of interesting mage weapons on later tiers like art attack, that might be stronger

[abstract veldt]

I seeee, so should I change what I said and play on the uniqueness of the weapon itself?

[drowsy plank]

yeah, better than arguing about it being good on worms, that's for sure

might be worth checking out the magic weapons on further tiers on the wiki to find a good one that really has a lack of good ones

[abstract veldt]

Thank you

Ok I edited it, is there anything I should add to the suggestion?

[round ravine]

I do believe the Grand Staff of the Nebula Mage should also require the Cosmic Anvil since it uses Cosmilite Bars in its recipe.

Another thing; Cosmilite Brick Walls should not use a work bench to revert them back into Cosmilite Bricks and vice versa.

[wide river]

I think the Ancient Manipulator is fine, considering the whole Nebula theming

But I see where you're going with that

[drowsy plank]

that's better, if you can think of anything else that might help because i still dont see this being likely to pass, but it's worth a shot, yknow

[wide river]

There's eleven direct Cosmilite Bar recipes that don't require Cosmic Anvil
Grand Staff of the Nebula Mage
Event Horizon
Light God's Brilliance
Primordial Ancient
Recitation of the Beast
Living God Slayer Fire Block
Dimensional Soul Artifact
Blue Cosmic Flame Dye
Cosmilite Dye
Pink Cosmic Flame Dye
Ice Barrage

[abstract veldt]

Gatcha, I’ll try to think of more things and such

[drowsy plank]

ye

[fervent orbit]

dyes dont count since theyre dyes

[blazing kettle]

isnt the art attack a dedicated item?

[wide river]

Yes

I'm unsure if adding an upgrade counts as changing it, however

[drowsy plank]

it doesn't and that hasn't stopped people from interacting with donor items before as long as it isn't directly modifying it

[fervent orbit]

monstrous knives

[glass arch]

the new one in voting should be hit with 🏁 shouldnt it?

[wide river]

Yeah, I think so

[grave zinc]

@dawn trellis - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Exo Freeze]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

based

[wide river]

Fastest accepting in the west

[inner anvil]

How do y'all keep making suggestions that already happened lmao.

[wide river]

We're really good at predicting dev plans I guess

[glass arch]

yall devs read our minds and fix the issue before we post the sugg

[inner anvil]

I swear we deleted Exo Freeze yesterday.

[glass arch]

or actually Altix might have deleted it like right after the sugg, not sure

[inner anvil]

Altix deleted it yesterday.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's when... The suggestion was made and Altix deleted it

[south flint]

#changelogs is updated intermittently

[inner anvil]

Cool, I never check this chat.

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[kindred skiff]

Tf is exo freeze

[wide river]

Exactly

[glass arch]

a freeze debuff inflicted by a total of 2 weapons

[frosty trellis]

Exoblade and.... Cosmic Discharge I think?

[wide river]

Endogenesis in place of Cosmic Discharge

[frosty trellis]

Ah fair

I knew exoblade since I've used the exo freeze from it on brothers before byeah

[drowsy plank]

yuh

[wide river]

Refer to this
#suggestions-discussion message

[crude geode]

literally happened yesterday iirc

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure Altix removed it immediately after seeing your suggestion

[crude geode]

yeah lmao

[wide river]

Look at it this way, I think you now hold the record for "Fastest accepted suggestion"

[ripe owl]

This is so based

Time to go for the fastest rejected suggestion

[wide river]

Just make a suggestion that breaks all the rules and ping an admin

(do not)

[austere citrus]

Not sure if this was intended but what I found myself doing during my mage playthrough so far is using different weapons for different boss phases / enemies. Or even using weaker weapons against certain bosses since another stronger one was too slow or couldn't really work well against the boss. It's made the whole experience a lot more dynamic and the greater utilization of the player's arsenal at hand is something I've really enjoyed.
The reworked progression of early hardmode was something that I didn't expect to like so much. I hope that other stages of vanilla are tweaked in that sort of direction to create a new Terraria experience out of existing content

[drowsy plank]

Nice

not really a suggestion but cool to hear
ive been doing a playthrough recently and have just been jumping around from whatever weapons i think are coolest for the tier and it's way more fun

[austere citrus]

yeah it wasn't really a suggestion, just general feedback on some gameplay aspects

[wide river]

So I was reviewing the Don'ts doc again, and I found this

Shouldn't it refer to #1052323733961977947 now?

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[crude geode]

@hollow shell should be fixed, even if it's a small detail

[glass arch]

how many suggs like this one has xpc made

[wide river]

Apparently 3

[glass arch]

lmfao

[half imp]

now someone else with a slightly different take

bc this DOES need to be changed

the whole item gimmick is bad

rn

[wide river]

It'll also help with items that scale with lost health, such as the Anarchy Blade

[grim tusk]

Alr y’all

Why not change the conditions for vexation and friends to be equal or lower to 50%

@half imp

[half imp]

not just vexation

but also that's been suggested 3 times and ignored

which is why I tried something else

[dense ferry]

VEXATION AND FRIENDS

[half imp]

vexation, anarchy blade, mutated truffle come to mind immediately

[grim tusk]

Prob cuz no one has gotten to it

Its in the backlog somewhere probably

[half imp]

oh cool if it's there then

I'll delete it if it's already planned

I don't think any regenator ones passed so we didn't hear anything

[grim tusk]

Oh maybe thats why

And yep, not even in the backlog

[ripe owl]

Bring it up yourself

[wide river]

It's not that simple
If that was the case then voting wouldn't exist

Devs would just yoink suggestions from posting and bring them up in the dev server, which adds a whole 'nother layer of waiting for us normals

[small timber]

how many of it works that way?

I only remember vexation is need to be under

frozen shield (frozen turtle shell/rampart), Old duke's scale both are under or on 50%

[wide river]

Anarchy Blade also requires being under 50%

[small timber]

then I think it is just change all of those instead of regenator yeah

seen it seems like 50/50 for what works or not

[wide river]

It's really just pick which one might take less effort, I guess

[small timber]

like is there a list of things that do not work unless under 50%? as in on 50% = not work

List of Items That DO NOT Work On 50% HP (therefore Regenator)

Necklace of Vexation
Anarchy Blade
Permafrost's Concoction (1st life eregen threshold)

List of Items That DO Work On 50% HP (therefore Regenator)

Old Duke's Scale
Frozen Turtle Shell (Frozen Shield, Rampart of Deity)
Hydrothermic Armor's Inferno effect
Mutated Truffle
Yharim's Insignia (10% damage boost)
Empyrean Armor (rage and wrath effect)

Rotten Brain (negative effect)

[wide river]

Let me go skim through the wiki

This is taking way too long, I forget how many items Calamity has

[small timber]

ok this is all that I can find

see if anyone have anythign to add

so yeah, things that need to be changed to work on 50% hp is way less than things that do not need to be changed
(and among them basically only necklace of vexation is relevant, permafrost' concoction's life regen is useless when at 50% HP anyway unless you are picky about bloodfire bullet damage)

anarchy blade is straight up only have effect on normal enemy (which generally is already easy to kill especially that it is a true melee weapon which should butcher them)

[wide river]

That would at least partially explain why this kind of suggestion has never passed, I guess

[small timber]

not never passed

basically only 1 person suggested before (me) and only for necklace of vexation

which coincidentally tend to get decent amount of votes (110+) just each batch of suggestion tend to have higher ones (like adding sulphurous sea block walls that get 190+ and also will get added on "to-do" immediately)

[half imp]

yeah

ok I'll reword in the morning

to just be fix the few that are broken

Permafrost, anarchy blade, and necklace of vexation?

any others

[wide river]

Those are the only ones we've found thus far, I'll let you know if I find any others tomorrow

[desert briar]

NOPE

[thin hill]

NAHHHHHHHHHH

[desert briar]

@cyan lagoon we have a suspicious suggestion, and your the first mod I see that's online

And then he goes offline

[humble osprey]

idk it's an amazing idea

[obsidian heron]

goofy

and its gone

[humble osprey]

FEAR

ABSOLUTE FEAR

[cyan lagoon]

@humble osprey dont shitpost in sugg posting please

[humble osprey]

can I shit post everywhere else

[thin hill]

#calamity-mod-talk prob as long as it's not nsfw

[desert briar]

Yeah if your shitposts stop mentioning nsfw bodily fluids, it should be fine

[cyan lagoon]

Definitely not #general-media or bugs though since those have the same restrictions

Just tone down the bodily fluids to an absolute minimum (or even none maybe) tho

[desert briar]

Sorry for the ping, I know it wasn't an absolute emergency or anything

It's just with him saying shit like "ban Speedrun" in other channels, seemed appropriate

[inland pine]

where'd the cumthrower go

I thought that was a good idea

or at the very least a slime flamethrower

that acts the same way

would be interesting to have a way to slow bosses

[ripe owl]

What was the suggestion

[ripe owl]

Common surreal L

[humble osprey]

yes
That's the alternative that isn't silly bodily fluids

[inland pine]

wasnt me

common surreal W

[thin hill]

common surreaL

[blazing kettle]

y'know, DRG has already done this

[unreal viper]

Imagine if they make items work at exactly 50% hp and make the regenator set your hp one below 50%

[rotund tree]

most items and effects that say "under 50%" work at exactly 50%

necklace of vexation is kind of an exception actually

[half imp]

does anarchy blade work?

[rotund tree]

thankfully no

[half imp]

it should :(

it's just normal enemies anyway

1/5 chance to obliterate normal enemies that weren't blacklisted

[rotund tree]

It doesn't work during boss fights and doesn't affect minibosses so i guess it probably wouldn't be "broken

[drowsy plank]

it'd be a novelty at best, kinda like slaphand

[half imp]

^

yeah

if it worked vs bosses uh

(this was a blooper from my rework before I added the conditions properly)

[rotund tree]

What the hell is that swing

[half imp]

speen

phaseslayer but I made it hurt your hand less

trackball momentum type shenanigans

[drowsy plank]

the siren proof earmuffs in question @gentle chasm

[swift wharf]

like a shark tank

who will ping first

[drowsy plank]

lol

[swift wharf]

!wiki sirenproof earmuffs

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Sirenproof_Earmuffs

[wide river]

I was going to but I saw someone else was typing so I stopped

[swift wharf]

oh shit it's prehm now

[gentle chasm]

what if i don't feel like going to the tundra to make them

[swift wharf]

then cry

[drowsy plank]

cry about it

[gentle chasm]

ok

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

lmfao

[toxic basalt]

that's just being lazy, if you won't want Siren to ruin your ocean vacation, then get the ear muffs

[blazing kettle]

its literally one of the cheapest items to makecin the mod

[gentle chasm]

seriously tho it is really weird that ??? is more common than sharks

[drowsy plank]

not really

[wide river]

Are you after Calamitas Clone/Plantera

[blazing kettle]

its so that you dont have to wait forever to fight a boss

[toxic basalt]

that's more of bad luck than anything

[swift wharf]

you say that, but some people ask for a siren summoning item

[drowsy plank]

^

[wide river]

Because their spawn rates are multiplied by 16x at that point

[toxic basalt]

tbh we do need that

it would make farming leviathan much easier

orrrrr

[gentle chasm]

after clamitas clone, yes
??? was spawning more than sharks before i kicked calamitas's shins in

[swift wharf]

if it's post levi, sure

[toxic basalt]

...oh wait fargos no longer has the siren summon

[drowsy plank]

[golden sonnet]

For people that don't want anahita earmuffs exist, but if you do want her it's incredibly annoying to wait 5 minutes just to attempt a boss

[wide river]

Then there's your issue

@tired musk no

[blazing kettle]

aw fuck here we go again

[wide river]

That breaks a rule

[toxic basalt]

@tired musk Breaks a rule + it was pointless

[drowsy plank]

reversion when you when

[swift wharf]

kid named zerg potion

[tired musk]

crazy

whyd it even get removed

[toxic basalt]

because it wasted time

[blazing kettle]

@tired musk please read the suggestion donts document that is pinned at the top of #suggestions-posting

[toxic basalt]

plus Buffed solar eclipse got retiered

[wide river]

Because it's weird to have to fight a boss twice to beat them

[blazing kettle]

theres a rule that explains why for us

[tired musk]

aha cant make time with your busy schedule

[swift wharf]

[gentle chasm]

i already had the flinx fur

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[toxic basalt]

what?

[wide river]

Also jeez the pings coming out in full force

Three pings for the one suggestion

[drowsy plank]

jojo part 5 kicking meme

[blazing kettle]

lmao

[toxic basalt]

Meanwhile mine with 0 responses

[drowsy plank]

that means its good lmao

[toxic basalt]

I mean i do want to hear people's views on it

[blazing kettle]

notbing much to talk about it

its a decent suggestion

[drowsy plank]

is good idea, not much else to say
hope it passes in voting

[toxic basalt]

I totally did not suggest it because I am currently nohitting Destroyer

[drowsy plank]

lmfao
tbf i think fargo's dest has em? like cal wouldnt be the first and it frankly is just a good idea bc that fight is a shitshow usually

like dest really is just "random bullshit, go!" atm

[wide river]

He's always been like that

It's near impossible to fix Destroyer at the moment

[toxic basalt]

but then look at Thanatos

which is, in a literal sense, a much more refined Destroyer

[swift wharf]

draedon kind of a mid inventor

[toxic basalt]

he has a gaming chair

[wide river]

I mean, if Thanatos is supposed to be a refined version of Destroyer, then realistically we shouldn't do much to fix Destroyer

I'm not saying your suggestion is bad, I'm just pointing something out

[toxic basalt]

you do realise that Thanatos is much different to Destroyer, right?

All lasers are telegraphed, movement isn't predictive, has a much better head attack

[wide river]

Then why'd you point them out in the first place?

[toxic basalt]

ok the more I look at this the more I'm confused

what exactly do you mean by this?

oh I see what you mean

[wide river]

If Thanatos is supposed to be refined, then Destroyer would be unrefined

[toxic basalt]

yes I know lore-wise that the Destroyer is essentially an older Thanatos

but that doesn't mean these fixes aren't feasible with Destroyer

[wide river]

My intention with that wasn't to oppose the suggestion in its entirety, I was just trying to point something out

[hollow shell]

wait, no, beyond the Don't

@tired musk Yharon still does have a phase 2, it still has all of the new behaviors and the music Roar Of The Jungle Dragon play during it
His name even changes in P2 now
It's just a standard HP transition rather than a refight or an HP regen thing like it was before

How did you get under the impression that the whole P2 got removed, including the music?

[wide river]

I assume that they meant how you used to "kill" Yharon, and then he fled after buffing the Solar Eclipse, and then you fought him again with better gear

But that's just my interpretation of it

[kindred skiff]

Does this dude realize yharon still has a phase 2

[hollow shell]

The refight is indeed no longer a thing
which was just a repeat of the P1 behavior but then he transitioned into P2 midway through that fight

I think they're confused and think that the refight being removed meant the entire P2 got removed, and, didn't fact check?

Also, "before the update" is what they said
The refight was removed a long time ago, probably over a year ago

[wide river]

"Before the update" is also incredibly vague as Calamity has received like
Probably 100 updates at this point

[hollow shell]

The whole way the sugg is phrased is just
like

so confusing

[wide river]

There's also no reasoning whatsoever

It just says that it was cool and doesn't elaborate on why it should return

[hollow shell]

well I'm less concerned about that

because they seem to think something that is literally still in the game got removed

[random pasture]

Wait does it actually cut blood worm spawns when you encounter OD?

Not even killed, just fought?

[golden sonnet]

Yes, but only encountered through acid rain

So if you use bloodworms it doesn't matter

[random pasture]

Thats very strange

Why would it work like that?

[hollow shell]

I have no idea why it works like that if it still does
Sounds player-hostile.

I hope it's just like a misinterpretation of the source code and it actually boosts the rates

[golden sonnet]

According to the wiki it halves after the encounter, and from my testing that seemed to be the case, but it's hard to tell

[random pasture]

You shouldn't be punished for simply naturally encountering a boss by making manually spawning them harder after

[golden sonnet]

Agreed, tbh I could also suggest to change that in my suggestion assuming that is actually how the code works

[hollow shell]

It would make a lot more sense if the rate got boosted after seeing OD in AR,
like, Alright you saw the whole event that leads up to him, now you can just fight him directly,
then maybe the rate gets decreased after you kill OD cuz you can just buy them now

I don't have the most recent source on my computer yet but I'll go get it now just to check

[toxic basalt]

sounds like a good way of doing it

also

@hollow shell do you have any thoughts on the destroyer suggestion?

[hollow shell]

Kinda dislike because I feel like the Thanatos telegraphs don't actually help you dodge at all and just make the visuals look needlessly busy and hard to understand
So adding the same to Destroyer would just be adding that same problem to his fight
But that's my personal opinion

[toxic basalt]

well destroyer needs something because atm he's just insanely bullshit with his shots

[hollow shell]

Line telegraphs work best for attacks that are instant and don't have travel time, or extremely fast travel time such that they may as well be instant

[glass arch]

even like halving the amount of lasers would make dest so much less bullshit imo

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's possible we can add telegraphs that are just uhh not like Thanatos's
A loud beeping sound and his head emitting a big flash, like 1 or 2 seconds before the attack starts

[toxic basalt]

that could help with the head attack

I probably should of added something about the probes because they're also really annoying

[frosty trellis]

(The telegraphs were the only thing keeping pre-nerf thanatos bearable bc then you could accurately see where stuff was coming from so it's a ton easier to just not get cheap shot)

[hollow shell]

I guess the problem lies in the fact that it's not just an attack but rather him shooting a fucking million lasers and they all get telegraphs

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

Destroyer's lasers just seem so random and bullshit at times especially with their speed

Those damned lasers when I tried to nohit death destroyer were just..... beyond brutal and unfair

Too fast with no indication they are coming or exist

[toxic basalt]

Probes are also problematic, they constantly block my dashes, hard to actually hit and also fire a string of 3 lasers on Rev+

[random pasture]

Destroyer just isn't super well designed in higher difficulties

Its mass projectile spam that spawns more enemies that also spam projectiles

[toxic basalt]

the proj acceleration practically made dodging them even more inconsistent than before

[undone cedar]

Destroyer just isn’t well designed ever

[frosty trellis]

I wish I still had a clip from my death dest nohit where I just got sniped from across the screen with no time to dodge but it seems to have been lost to time

[drowsy plank]

sadge

[toxic basalt]

oh no I just had that happen

[drowsy plank]

just make bloodworms craftable with truffle and blood orbs

[wide river]

Hmmm yes solutions
aside from the fact that if you don't get a blood moon you can't do that

[glass arch]

hopefully itll be changed so you can summon a blood moon pre blood moon

[toxic basalt]

@frosty trellis As you were saying that this happened

[frosty trellis]

No bc I got a laser snipe from well offscreen

[hollow shell]

btw yes thank you I will do that now

[toxic basalt]

this was also off-screen, that laser had already accelerated

part of its body was like well away from me

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[wide river]

I would hope so

[toxic basalt]

and it just happened again

[random pasture]

You can just spam comsilite until one spawns

[hollow shell]

I don't know if you can do that actually

Also Cosmolight* (funny)

[glass arch]

i dont think you can

[fervent orbit]

cosmolight into bed then

[glass arch]

iirc it cant trigger time based events

[random pasture]

No you can

I have triggered solar eclipses on accident with it

[frosty trellis]

Cosmolight can't trigger time based event's like Blood Moons, solar eclipses, and travelling merchant spawns

From the official wiki

[wide river]

I've had it happen in Multiplayer, but that's likely more a Multiplayer bug than the wiki being wrong

[random pasture]

Maybe

I swear it has triggered events before

[wide river]

Should that last point get removed? Because midnight is a guaranteed time swap point in the cycle now

[half imp]

yeah but lore should come after gameplay

not first

[wide river]

I wasn't referring to lore?

[half imp]

thana being refined destroyer is lore

[wide river]

It was this person that brought it up, not me.

[hollow shell]

(obligatory mention that Ozza and I had a plan to rework Cosmolight to basically be like a portable Bed or a mini Enchanted Sundial
where, you hold it down and it causes time to accelerate forward, rather than having it get set to dawn or dusk
as that would be more "modern" and intuitive, and slightly nerf it in a sense

We even had a dev vote on it which passed

but uhhh that plan fell by the wayside I suppose)

[half imp]

noo don't nerf cosmolight

[wide river]

That'd be very cool, I hope it gets implemented someday

[hollow shell]

It would be a nerf in that it would be less instantaneous
But it would be a buff in that it would allow you to get daily events with it

[half imp]

hm true

[kindred skiff]

Daily events?

Like solar eclipse and stuff?

[hollow shell]

as in, Blood Moon, Eclipse, Travelling Merchant, Invasions

yeah

[kindred skiff]

Ah

Idk

I find the events already annoying

But it would help reduce grind

It’s just a personal preference

Actually yesterday I used cosmolight to skip 3 blood moons in a row

[wide river]

I assume that it'd be slightly faster than a bed to warrant actually using it over one

[kindred skiff]

Yeah

[polar pine]

would that make npcs move in faster

[wide river]

Considering journey mode's time speed-up does it, I'd assume so

[polar pine]

hell yeah

[small timber]

doesnt the art attack suggestion kinda still too specific?

[hollow shell]

Okay back to the Bloodworm talk briefly cuz my source is done extracting

[wide river]

A bit, but it's too late now
Either it dies in voting, it gets rejected by the devs, or (somehow) it passes

[kindred skiff]

What art attack sugg

[drowsy plank]

check #suggestions-voting

[wide river]

It's the most recent one in voting

[kindred skiff]

That’s not gonna happen lmao

The reasoning is eh

Not the best

[wide river]

Sorry for the interruption, Rover, go ahead

[kindred skiff]

I know for a fact the calamity devs aren’t gonna move lacerator to post polter

[hollow shell]

I can confirm that the rate does actually go down after Old Duke has been encountered
Higher numbers mean higher spawn rates, and the rate gets multiplied by 2.569 if Old Duke has been encountered, and if he hasn't then it's multiplied by 5.138 instead

[kindred skiff]

It’s already been memed

[hollow shell]

I have no idea why it works like this

[kindred skiff]

That’s dumb

[drowsy plank]

because fabsol hates us

[golden sonnet]

Fabsol is the only dev

[drowsy plank]

yes

[wide river]

The average #calamity-mod-talk mindset

[hollow shell]

I'm wondering if it's legitimately a mistake?
It's done via a single-line If statement which I guess can be kinda unintuitive?

[random pasture]

I think so

[drowsy plank]

yeah probably is what im imagining

[kindred skiff]

Maybe they switched the numbers

[random pasture]

I can't imagine why you would intentionally make it harder to spawn

[swift wharf]

you can

[wide river]

Those are rather specific values

[kindred skiff]

It does sound like an oopsie from the devs

[hollow shell]

yeah idk where those numbers came from either

[golden sonnet]

Honestly just seems like "they already got an attempt so they don't need more" when it's like, what if they fail though?

[random pasture]

I wonder if it has some weird math behind it to get a specific percentage

[wide river]

Maybe it should get changed from "If Encountered" to "If Defeated"

[kindred skiff]

Especially since old duke is a very difficult boss

[drowsy plank]

why

why even have this at all

[swift wharf]

zombie brides and grooms spawn from the graveyard which drop blood orbs I think

[drowsy plank]

bloodworms should just be really easy to get no matter what

[random pasture]

You can buy blood worms once OD is dead

[kindred skiff]

Maybe they want us to do acid rain every time

[wide river]

Acid Rain tier 3 theme is good, I'll give them that

[random pasture]

So they reduce blood worms to not clog the spawn pool

It does make sense

[kindred skiff]

I never do acid rains

[swift wharf]

it doesn't make sense

[kindred skiff]

Because I find them boring

[random pasture]

But not the way it currently is

[kindred skiff]

[swift wharf]

oh yea

[random pasture]

I'm assuming the values are reversed

[drowsy plank]

damn they actually dont anymore 😔
just checked the blood orb page

[swift wharf]

GUH

maybe they still do

and the wiki is wrong

🙏

[drowsy plank]

true

[random pasture]

But he just pulled up the code

[swift wharf]

I can test later

[random pasture]

The wiki is correct

[swift wharf]

not refering to blood worms

[drowsy plank]

rover didnt check blood orbs in graveyards he checked bloodworms

yeah

[random pasture]

^

Oh ok

[kindred skiff]

They are talking about blood orbs

[random pasture]

Right my bad

[drowsy plank]

if not im making it a suggestion once we get confirmation

[swift wharf]

by later i mean in 2 hours

[wide river]

It's now only Blood Moon enemies that drop them, not "enemies that spawn during a blood moon"

If that makes any sense

[kindred skiff]

That’s dumb

[drowsy plank]

bride and groom ARE blood moon enemies

[wide river]

So because the Bride and Groom can be spawned elsewhere, they don't drop Blood Orbs

[drowsy plank]

OH WAIT

[drowsy plank]

I REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS

[swift wharf]

1.4.4 W

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

bc this is technically a vanilla issue so vanilla has also fixed it themselves

ez

[wide river]

So blood moon issue solved?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[swift wharf]

yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947265544690757653/1006734927406047232/skeleton_smoking_cigar_meme_remastered3.mp4

[hollow shell]

.

[swift wharf]

( i am sorry rover but its a big w)

((i need to turn it into a sticker sometime)

[wide river]

Now people will just have to
shudder
GRIND FOR THINGS

[swift wharf]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wide river]

No but seriously I don't care that much if it's grindy or not
If I can get a blood moon guaranteed in a playthrough, I'm fine with it

[swift wharf]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

bloody tear can't be crafted from dirt block by hand

[swift wharf]

watch as rng does not allow you to get them

[wide river]

"What do you mean I can't craft the Zenith immediately upon spawning, this game sucks"

[drowsy plank]

when i can't craft shadowspec with 1 stone at a furnce

[swift wharf]

low% players maliciously crafting 1 dirt from a shadowspec bar

[wide river]

Giving another shot at getting Crystal Assassin a buff, I see

Hopefully this one passes since mine died in voting

[half imp]

crystal assasin is so sad

why is it worse than cobalt and palladium

it's a tier higher than them

[small timber]

The suggestion's idea comes from a bug yes, but: