suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

when you finish boss rush 2 it starts boss rush 3 which includes all the minibosses

[ripe owl]

Oh come on

[swift wharf]

and then you fight each enemy

with 100x health

[lavish condor]

28000 health green slime

[ripe owl]

Green King Slime let's go

[lavish condor]

also known as hardmode green slime (Does more damage than king slime)

[random pasture]

Fair

I just think it is weird that one of them requires repeatedly fighting an on tier boss and the other requires like 3 minutes of walking to get a stack of them when the game treats the two types of souls pretty much equally in importance is all.

[drowsy plank]

did you know both of them only require 3 minutes of walking if you just go underground

[lavish condor]

Could sugg to make demon alters not drop souls of night if it's consistency we're talking about

[drowsy plank]

altars drop them as a consolation prize, and queen slime drops them to make it easier for players later on when you can just shred her, or if you feel it'd be easier to kill her than go underground (tho you need to go underground anyway so w/e, id say it's more just a reference to how people used to farm them with king slime AND also technically lore at this point)

[swift wharf]

just increase the drop % from hallow/evil enemies lma

[drowsy plank]

wait why the fuck didnt we do that from the start

[swift wharf]

[random pasture]

That makes too much sense

[swift wharf]

like just make chaos elementals and bats and slimes always drop a soul

same with corruptors and whatever the other enemies are called

[tardy geyser]

Remove demon altars dropping souls of night

[swift wharf]

ja

wyverns already have a 100% drop rate for souls

[random pasture]

That is better idea tbh

[drowsy plank]

you gonna use it or

[tardy geyser]

Hivemind and perfs drop cursed flame and ichor too respectively, theres no reason to go to underground evil biomes lol

[drowsy plank]

w/e there done

[ripe owl]

mal?

[lavish condor]

Would a sugg to un-remove HM enemy scaling count as re-adding removed content?

[drowsy plank]

obviously this means we should remove them we no longer need the world evil V

[drowsy plank]

it isn't removed? im pretty sure they just nerfed certain enemies values for being stupid as hell

[random pasture]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

ex; small bees deal 120 damage in Master post-Plant Vanilla (i know this is an extreme example but like. what the fuck)

[random pasture]

It was toned down but not removed

Master mode scaling was kinda dumb at the extremes

[lavish condor]

I've tested a couple enemies by spawning them in an endgame world and they have their pre-hm stats

is there an example of one that didn't have scaling removed?

[swift wharf]

vlar

[drowsy plank]

wait nvm it was fully removed

#changelogs message

but also

it's stupid so let's not

[ripe owl]

Javlar indeed

[random pasture]

Huh ok

[drowsy plank]

i forgot

it also

nerfs hardmode enemies

this shit stupid as fuck

[lavish condor]

What about like re-adding it with the outliers toned down

[drowsy plank]

why

[random pasture]

Didn't turtles at like max scaling do more damage than most boss attacks

[lavish condor]

I like the scaling personally because it keeps the enemies somewhat dangerous

It's mostly pre-hm enemies that get scaling

turtles don't scale at all, they just always do that much damage

[drowsy plank]

again like

why

part of the point of hardmode enemies existing is to replace the older versions so they threaten you instead

[random pasture]

Right thats just master mode being dumb

[drowsy plank]

and making the weak enemies threaten you just

undoes the feeling of progress you have

[lavish condor]

I guess

[swift wharf]

no you see the hardmode enemies are too strong

and the prehm enemies are too weak

😊

[drowsy plank]

tfw this all happens post-Plantera where both are irrelevant

[random pasture]

240 / 432 (while spinning)
Yeah this isnt scaling, I thought it was because of how absurd the numbers are

[swift wharf]

me when I've seen suggestions about making prehm enemies scale stats for hm

[lavish condor]

I feel like it's meant to be hardmode, but I don't think I've ever died to early-Hardmode enemies in Calamity because the gear is either too good or Calamity nerfs them to the ground

[swift wharf]

[random pasture]

Why does a turtle do more damage than almost every boss in the game at default

[drowsy plank]

urptle speen

[swift wharf]

rune wizard

[drowsy plank]

wait lemme

[random pasture]

Oh yeah

Rune wizard

[swift wharf]

rune wizards are EXTRA funny

[lavish condor]

I guess I'm the only person but I think getting one-tapped by a wizard is funny

[swift wharf]

240 projectile damage

600 contact damage

[lavish condor]

And Calamity makes the respawn length tiny so it's hardly punishing

[swift wharf]

🥹

[random pasture]

600 (contact)
240 (Rune Blast)

Bru

[swift wharf]

🥹

[lavish condor]

rune wizard contact doing 1.33x more than moon lord's phantasmal deathray

[swift wharf]

le balance of terrara baunilla es un masterpiecd

[random pasture]

Honestly fine with that because it is very funny and rune wizards are pretty rare

Screw turtles though

[swift wharf]

skill issue

tbf it's not really masters fault

because they already do 200 contact damage in normal for nonfucking reason

[drowsy plank]

tfw health halved bc i touched a wizard

[lavish condor]

The wizard is actually a melee player with rune set in vanity which is why its melee damage is jacked

[swift wharf]

weakest magicka wizard

who would win

a turtle at mach 3

or some skeleton in pajamas

[ripe owl]

Me with a funny hammer

[swift wharf]

shadow wizard money gang

[half imp]

what LOL

that's hilarious

[crude geode]

yeah pretty funny stuff

[grave zinc]

@lean prairie - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make abyssal diving suits work on mannequins.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Blood Moon Fishing Enemies/Minibosses Drop Way More Blood Orb]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fringe oar - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Supreme Witch, Calamitas' brothers from 'Cataclysm' and 'Catastrophe' to 'Supreme Cataclysm' and 'Supreme Catastrophe']

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@gritty wraith - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[A mud bomb, similar to the dirt bomb but it just spreads mud around]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@oblique geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make a Wall for new blocks]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@frank mauve - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Crystyl Crusher suggestion: swap the left and right mouse button functions]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@oblique geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make a Wall for new blocks]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Blood Moon Fishing Enemies/Minibosses Drop Way More Blood Orb]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fringe oar - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Supreme Witch, Calamitas' brothers from 'Cataclysm' and 'Catastrophe' to 'Supreme Cataclysm' and 'Supreme Catastrophe']

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

YES

[fringe oar]

yeee baby

[ripe owl]

Wow

For the long time it's quite empty in the posting

[ornate kestrel]

FINALLY

[cobalt pewter]

oh no

more potions in shops

[ornate kestrel]

I don't care

I'm just happy about the crystal crusher

[small timber]

seriously, I think calamity need to fix their shop
whytf do they split the potion selling among all the NPCs, it is so annoying that to buy each potions you have to go to different NPC

I suggest that all the potions sold by NPCs should be moved to a single new NPC that sells all the potions, this way it is no longer a massive inconvenience that you have to build 20 houses just to keep all NPC to get potions

and add calamity potions to the shop too because I dont understand why when they acknowledge that potion grinding is a mess but only added vanilla potion to be purchasable, but the even MORE grindy calamity potions are ignored

[ripe owl]

Try your luck then

[cobalt pewter]

so alchnpc

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmm

[cobalt pewter]

also I think they went for thematic relations for which npc selling what

just remove this stupid thing altogether

make potion making not cringe

for a mod which lead dev absolutely despises qol mods, they surely do suck a lot of them into the mod in question

just remove the potion selling

and revisit buffs and potion making

[hollow shell]

:(

[ornate kestrel]

Why you so angry

[cobalt pewter]

rober

he probably predicted that I wanted to post his legendary quote

[hollow shell]

"Man I hate having to do literally anything between boss fights, why isn't everything just nonconsumable?"

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmmm

[robust lava]

Coming up on the 2 year anniversary

How should we celebrate?

[ornate kestrel]

I'm just bored of calamity for the time being, probably cause I haven't done any other big mod playthroughs recently

[hollow shell]

Is there a mod that gives you the Journey Mode research UI in all modes? Can we just tell them to download that?

[cobalt pewter]

just tell them to play journey

be the mechanism male

or female

or whatever

[hollow shell]

I don't even think it's that cringe
I think people are just that impatient
Calamity has attracted a Dark Souls crowd rather than a Minecraft crowd

[cobalt pewter]

nah some potions are definitely unfairly grindy, but not all of them

and stat potions are kinda.........

[small timber]

potion crafting is not even that hard yeah

[hollow shell]

but uh yeah Ozza had plans for reworking Blood Orbs so that you can obtain potions in bulk easier
And he hasn't left the team yet, so it can happen any update now

[cobalt pewter]

I like how that's a point now

I doubt Calamity can go on further without ozz

[small timber]

potion crafting itself is not hard, and if you beat each bosses/events in only few tries it is not really grindy either

it only really get "tedious" when you fail each boss 30+ times and have to grind potions everytime

so I think it is fair to increase potion yield from crafting but thats about it

the mod had been consistently trying to make it easier to the point that potions definitely are no longer a requirement to beat expert rev, it helps a lot but it is not "mandatory"

even from the damage department you can just use rage (or even adrenaline) and you will be way better than what testers had with full potions

[ornate kestrel]

Speaking of devs, did the dev who made the nanoblack leave and is the idea for a full nanoblack set gone if so

[hollow shell]

That is Ozz.

Nanoblack is his item

[ornate kestrel]

Oh

[hollow shell]

idk anything about a full set

[cobalt pewter]

potions needing shark fins yet only yielding 1 potion per fin:

(absolutely fucking insane)

[ornate kestrel]

So what I'm getting is it's a possibility

If it was a plan

[hollow shell]

indeed, having to refight bosses over and over sure will cut into your potion use
(it's almost like, maybe, bosses shouldn't take that many attempts to beat, cuz that's really annoying, and the game wasn't designed for it, and trying to design the game around it results in the diminishing of all the game's systems, and results in players fast-tracking to bosses even under normal circumstances)

[cobalt pewter]

honestly good point yea

[floral yoke]

And with having less potions to worry about in light of the recent changes means there is less to grind anyway which is good

[small timber]

bosses really doesn't take that much attempt to beat (on expert rev at least), if you gear defensively most bosses are very forgiving and you are allowed to make a lot of mistake

the only exception is maybe DoG because on-tier its damage way outclass anything (which maybe why a lot of people say it is the "hardest boss")

for potions I think "increase potion yield" is better than "make potion easier to obtain" because people tend to get potion material in bulk, eg: you fish 20 of corruption fish then switch to next biome, not 1 from corruption then jungle then snow .... then repeat back to corruption

so it is more beneficial if the player can create more potions in "bulk" (aka at once) than say "it is easier to catch up potion fish"

[hollow shell]

I assume @vernal moat is playing something like Death Master Infernum to warrant making a suggestion like this

[small timber]

maybe, but yeah healing potion really is not a resource you run out of often (unless you retry a lot)

[vernal moat]

i retry a lot

[small timber]

what difficulty are you playing on? because at some point it will just be better to just get say "alchemistnpc lite" mod

[vernal moat]

i dont like quality of life mods

[small timber]

well then you kind of have to deal with crafting

the purpose of many "QoL mods" often revolve around "reducing crafting/grinding needs" so if you don't want to use them you kinda just have to bear with crafting for abit

[hollow shell]

If you're suggesting a "QoL" feature like this be added to Calamity then maybe you should look into QoL mods

[small timber]

yeah basically that

because healing potion is really not that hard to craft, greater is very easy (especially that if you beat any HM boss they start to drop them), super is abit annoying but you can grind deus, supreme is changed to bloodstone which you can get a lot and in bulk in brimstone crag (enemies, not even have to fight bosses), and ascendant spirit essence you tend to have excess (and it is 20 per craft, you probably run out of supreme healing potion before you run out of ASE)

[hollow shell]

(oh they changed around the recipes for Supreme and Omega?
Nice, that seems like a more reasonable spread. Was weird before that you get Supers immediately pre-ML then Supreme and Omega immediately post-ML)

[small timber]

mana potion is still pretty much doing whatever it wants though

[hollow shell]

(actually nvm Omegas have required Draedon's Forge (now Cosmic Anvil) for a while now I'm misremembering a bit)

[random pasture]

But like

[hollow shell]

(still good changes tho)

[random pasture]

You can just buy mana potions from wizard

You dont really need many mana potions anyway outside of a handful of weapons because regen is so strong

[swift wharf]

shoutout to that one suggestion about adding another tier of mana potions because 400 mana isnt enough

[distant gyro]

this is gross btw

transformation accessories never work on mannequins

vanilla has ones of their own too, being Moon Charm and Neptune's Shell

[fervent orbit]

wait diving suit is a transformation

[distant gyro]

it is

bonus mentions for Aquatic Heart, Profaned Soul Crystal, Magic Scarf and Hat

and Abandoned Wulfrum Helmet if tried to equip in the accessory slot

mannequins do not have a slot for these

[bright crag]

I will say, it's more likely that we'll rename the Clone versions than the Supreme versions
We just moved away from "Supreme Calamitas"

And well, supreme brothers are the real brothers, clone ones are just copycats

[glass arch]

aint this one planned

[swift wharf]

@cloud cloak planned, craft exo magic weapons

[cloud cloak]

Ik but there is like 3 range drops and 0 mage ones

[swift wharf]

!wiki vivid clarity

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vivid_Clarity

[swift wharf]

!wiki submsuming vortex

[half imp]

planned

[swift wharf]

!wiki submissuming vortex

[glass arch]

!wiki subsuming vortex

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Subsuming_Vortex

[swift wharf]

i cannot type

!wiki miracle matter

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Miracle_Matter

[half imp]

they have planned an exo drop

for mage

[cloud cloak]

I know subsuming and this stuff

[swift wharf]

unfortunately

[cloud cloak]

Ah

[swift wharf]

the unfortunate reality that exo mechs dont drop only melee, ranged and rogue weapons and scal doesnt only drop mage and summoner weapons

[glass arch]

yeah exos also drop summon weapons

[cloud cloak]

Well scal drops existed long before exo ones so removing drops from scal would be weird

[fringe oar]

alright

[bright crag]

?

Atlas Munitions Beacon:

Oh wait nvm

I don't see what's the problem here

[swift wharf]

it would be so awesome if you were able to choose which boss to do first because of your class

[golden sonnet]

You wouldn't be choosing then

It would be forced on you

[swift wharf]

exactl

😎

bosses dropping weapons for all classes is so boring zzz

[small timber]

@cloud cloak the suggestion should (still) consider the fact that Exo give exo prism -> miracle matters, which is used to craft 2 mage weapons

[ripe owl]

Submisusable

[half imp]

suggestion is moot anyway since it's already planned

[ripe owl]

@cloud cloak your suggestion is neither properly reasoned nor formatted

[cloud cloak]

Mb

[blazing kettle]

isbt the murasama hitframes neing innacurate supposed to beca thing so that it could prevent a bug where you could spam click it to get way higher dps from it than you should?

[half imp]

yes but they could still like

make spam click not work

make you need to finish a full slash before you can release the weapon like almost every melee weapon

or make it have a cooldown before you can put the weapon back out after releasing it

[blazing kettle]

true, i just wanted to point it out because the sugg got into voting a little bit ago

its still there?

[ashen warren]

yea

[blazing kettle]

got damn

[ashen warren]

half a year

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren already done bud

Was going to be done anyways for next update

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583454384290267147/1086179503291768852/Untitled.png

[half imp]

that feels so wrong

but also so right

[drowsy plank]

malice more like huge miss bc it's bad

[fervent orbit]

i still see so many complain/ask why malice is gone even though it says ingame

[hollow ridge]

Unloaded item*

[fervent orbit]

gotta love calamity players

[blazing kettle]

why do peoole still complain about it?

its just a stat stick on steroids for bosses

[ashen warren]

👍

[frosty trellis]

The community is mostly cmt what did you expect

[drowsy plank]

#calamity-mod-talk when 😇

[kindred skiff]

Can’t you make a mage weapon with miracle matter

Subsuming vortex is really good

[glass arch]

you can make 2

[kindred skiff]

What’s the other

[glass arch]

vivid clarity

[kindred skiff]

Dang never heard of it

Looks cool

Tf I never knew subsuming vortex had a right click

[golden sonnet]

Astral meteor cannot fall in the center 16% of the map, or within 25 blocks of a chest or Npc

what more protection do you want

@strong topaz

[wide river]

How would the meteor even have landed in the center
Sounds like a bug or something

[drowsy plank]

@strong topaz #1052323733961977947

[strong topaz]

i had a npc but the biome didn't care

also i would've still been mad if the biome would've been next to my base

[golden sonnet]

thats the meteor itself, if the meteor is close enough it can still change the biome the npc is in

[strong topaz]

the starting biome at the cneter was huge for me

[strong topaz]

the meteorite was like 8 block away from the clothier wich was the closest npc from the meteor

[wide river]

This legitimately sounds like a bug, please delete the suggestion and go report it in #1052323733961977947

[strong topaz]

eh i dunno man

[drowsy plank]

#1052323733961977947

[strong topaz]

yeah i switched it

[buoyant idol]

In the config settings, there is a boss HP% slider to multiply hp. Shouldn't that be moved to the difficulty area with the death and revengence toggles?

[wide river]

Are you able to show what you mean by that?

[worldly basalt]

they mean putting the boss hp slider next to the difficulty button

its fine in config imo

[half imp]

yeah it belongs in config

it's not a main intended setting

they placed it there to allow user choice but unlike difficulties, you're not really intended to change it

just an extra option

[drowsy plank]

anyone else ever find it weird aquatic emblem is just ocean crest 2
like i think having an upgrade to ocean crest is cool but why is it also scourge's expert drop instead of just... making emblem a craft and giving scourge an actual item

[half imp]

because like

all of AS drops are DS drops but wet

at least all the primary drops

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

true but also they suck anyway :)

at least the weapons are like

spiritual upgrades bc they have bigger numbers

aquatic emblem is literally just ocean crest but with some weird fucking defense mechanic tacked on which arguably makes it worse then its pre-grade because of how accessories work

[swift wharf]

AS drops fucking suck

also no

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren most of the old versions are already on the cal github

[ashen warren]

really?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[ashen warren]

where can i find it?

[drowsy plank]

https://github.com/MountainDrew8/CalamityMod/releases

[ashen warren]

thankyou!

[drowsy plank]

weird that it stops at v1.5.1.6

[wide river]

Maybe GitHub can only store up to a certain amount of versions

It wouldn't be too unreasonable to think that

Or maybe older versions got deleted after a while

[drowsy plank]

no i mean it's missing the newer ones

[wide river]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

also github having a version limit doesnt make sense considering what it is lmao

[wide river]

Idk it was just a thought

[drowsy plank]

im guessing that considering i think the next update was the 2.0 update i think, it's prolly something to do with the migration

[glass arch]

yeah the last update on there is the one right before 2.0

[drowsy plank]

damn really

wtf weird

[fossil finch]

it stops at 1.5 because it just does

[grim tusk]

GitHub snd Mod browser before were the only way you could get the mod (after trolls mass reported Fab and got him to lose MEGA access)

GitHub is an archive for 1.3

[ripe owl]

Why are there no more updates on GitHub btw?

[glass arch]

its an archive for 1.3

[ripe owl]

...and that's it?

Why not make a separate depository for 1.4 then?

[glass arch]

no clue

[ripe owl]

Like, there should be some reason devs don't post the mod on Git anymore

[glass arch]

i aint a dev i just know shade had literally just said that the github is a 1.3 archive

[wide river]

Maybe they don't want the source code leaked or anything

With a mod having such a following, it'd be wrong to think that someone wouldn't try and leak it

[ripe owl]

Meanwhile TML-Patcher

Which decompiles the code for you

It's not perfect but it does its job

[wide river]

I've seen that a decompiled code has inaccuracies when compared to the actual code

[ripe owl]

Like I said, not perfect but does its job

[cobalt pewter]

it doesn't do it's job if it's not accurate

[ripe owl]

Its job is to decompile the code

[cobalt pewter]

1 of these fuckers ; not existing is a death sentence

[ripe owl]

Not to completely lick it out of the tmod file

Which is already impossible (is it?)

[cobalt pewter]

then it cannot do its job

[wide river]

In any case, the devs have a reason to not post updates on GitHub. Whether it be an attempt to reduce source code leaks, an issue with GitHub's policies, or something else, there's always a reason

[ripe owl]

Oh

Oi

I think that uh

Think I know whh

y

It's a speculation but every Calamity release has a "Autorelease" written with it, which might be, as the word says, automated by the tMod itself

And I guess they've since moved from this

The source code leak argument is complete bs as what's posted on GitHub is just a readme file

The zip also has that readme so

[grim tusk]

We just post it on Steam now

Its easier

[grim tusk]

1- if the link to the source code github was leaked you’d just get the private repository error. Only the current devs have source code access
2- posting source code here or elsewhere would get you eviscerated, even a screenshot from it

[ripe owl]

Fair pretty much

I gotta say, it's pain in the ass to post source code in batches on GitHub, especially when it reaches the file limit

[drowsy plank]

lol

[warped furnace]

Just want to ask this before I make the suggestion.
Was starting work on a small Abyss base, and I noticed that the Abyss Gravel Wall can't turn back into Abyss Gravel. You can use the gravel to craft the wall, but the wall can't be turned back into the block.
Is this intended, or an oversight?

Note that it is not a material for anything.

[ripe owl]

Looks to be an oversight

[swift wharf]

wait there's a popping sound

[swift wharf]

@ashen warren no

[thin hill]

nah

[blazing kettle]

im pretty sure this sugg breaks this rule here

[swift wharf]

oh I forgot about that

I just think it's a horrible suggestion

[blazing kettle]

i know the rule states its about adding back stuff like astralgeldon 'n stuff but im pretty sure this sugg breaks this rule

[drowsy plank]

it does fit that dont yeah

also

calclone??? exists????? so like?

[swift wharf]

crusty old sprites

calclone is the rule for the sprite

🥴

[thin hill]

it would be funny

[ocean lynx]

[ripe owl]

@ocean lynx no it will not, also that's not a valuable reason

I mean it is a bit funny but it doesn't make it a more valuable reason

[swift wharf]

haha nice one manny

[ripe owl]

Who the hell's manny

[drowsy plank]

where mod to kill scal reversion sugg

[swift wharf]

wait for me to get the tmod role

and leave the server right after

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[dense ferry]

💀

These suggs man

[ripe owl]

So true bestie

[unreal saffron]

Damn, riv got shadow banned lol. RIP Skullmasher, best weapon against yharon

[kindred skiff]

The 2 suggestions of all time

[swift wharf]

shadow... banned?

[kindred skiff]

What

[glass arch]

what did shadow do to get banned

[unreal saffron]

Rare item variants, and every other removed feature, cant be posted for reimplementation. Shadow banned was the wrong term lol, they just regular banned

[drowsy plank]

yeah
good

no blease bring back the weapons that can shred the next two tiers for no reason because i either got lucky or played a bad difficulty mode they're so awesome and cool and it's really fun how some of the most interesting weapon designs are locked behind this """feature"""

like thank GOD RIVs are banned forever

[golden sonnet]

Wdym, making it a 1/1000000 surely justifies completely invalidating every boss until moon lord (halibut moment)

[drowsy plank]

sooooooo true

1/one googleplexian chance starting copper shortsword is replaced with """RIV""" zenith

[swift wharf]

when i'm in a bad game design competition and my opponent is old calamity mod

[golden sonnet]

Why spend 20 hours playing through the entire game when you can spend 19.5 hours resetting your character and 0.5 hours playing through the game

[unreal saffron]

You know they reworked most of them. Im just sad they axed some when others got reworks. For example, pearl god and conference call replaced their normal item variants, the legendary drops (seas searing, malachite, cold divinity, etc) were all kept in the game, and basically all of the accessories were re-tiered and reworked. The riv for the turtle shell was resprited and made as a brimstone drop

[drowsy plank]

the ones that got axed deserved it

the evolution is a former RIV and even after replacing it's non-rare variant it's still bad. which is just. so fucking funny

[crude geode]

Mfw I’m a “riv” that’s worse than a mid hardmode accessory that’s literally fuel for a combo accessory

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

I always said 90 second evolution was shit for the effect it granted (placebo effect looking shit) and I was proven immensely right

[swift wharf]

me on my way to make 20 items based solely on a videogame reference

[drowsy plank]

the only effect i miss is the stupid slip n slide from slime god lore

that one was so funny

[golden sonnet]

Lmao, and you could like stack it with ice physics

Good times

[swift wharf]

lore items on their way to either completely break the game or do fucking nothing

[drowsy plank]

BoC lore when preHM RoD 🤓

[swift wharf]

3 boc lore users rise up

[drowsy plank]

it's so funny they just gave you rod in exchange for inverting your controls for like 3 seconds and having to be in crimson and then eow is like. spore sac 2. take it or leave it.

[swift wharf]

fab wanted to make a spore sac item since 2017

it was originally the rev drop for eow or hive i dont remember

deadly microbe

[dense ferry]

Thanks God Lore Items are good now

[unreal saffron]

Just checked, out of all rivs, only 4 have not been reworked, that being the lead wizard, skull masher, quasar and grand dad. All of these are just a pointless upgrade that is on tier with the original weapon, which then promoted mindless grinding just to get a slight upgrade. Every riv was like this, so why are these 4 left out? Some make sense, as lead wizard just sucked, but the others have some potential. Btw, skullmasher was done dirty. It got a resprite, just to be removed a few weeks later and its new sprite given to antimat rifle

[drowsy plank]

they're literally the same weapon lmfao

in fact, they all were, which is why they died. they were either better or worse versions of other weapons, and not in the fun upgrade way. just. the weapons 2

[crude geode]

Grand dad is a stupid fucking meme

[drowsy plank]

we have zombie arm and titan arm now which are the better dumb slap hand sidegrades anyway

[crude geode]

Indeed

[unreal saffron]

Lead wizard shot 2 streams of bullets at an outward angle, skullmasher was a shotgun version that fired slower, iirc grand dad was bigger and had more knockback, and quasar was the same tbf that shit was forgettable lol

[drowsy plank]

it just fired 4 bullets in the primary shot instead of raining down, and grand dad is just a slap hand version of grand guardian which is already just Another TMelee sword

and lead wizard was just Gun But Bad

[golden sonnet]

Lead wizard was good meta wise for PBG, so I wouldn't call it gun but bad

[drowsy plank]

whu

[unreal saffron]

Im like 90% sure that skullmasher had the extra bullets rain down as well, which is why it was slower, to balance it against the Antimat. It just shot 4 antimat shots

[drowsy plank]

i never heard of this and im not sure if that's hilarious or sad

[unreal saffron]

I also have never heard of this

[golden sonnet]

Lead wizard just shredded PBG, and sucked for anything else

Not sure why, just know it did

[dense ferry]

Yeah Lead Wizard was really good for PBG

[glass arch]

this seems more like a #1042197406776827914 moment

[drowsy plank]

i refuse to believe carnage is actually usable

but yeah this is a balance sugg thing

[glass arch]

what does carnage even do

[drowsy plank]

it's so fucking funny carnage outlived bloody edge

[glass arch]

i have genuinely never used it

[drowsy plank]

not much LMAO

"Whenever it deals a finishing blow, 6-8 homing blood bolts erupt out of the enemy. Each bolt deals damage and heals the player for 2 HP upon enemy contact."

[cedar osprey]

It is

Carnage is the ultimate true melee weapon

[drowsy plank]

so it's basically useless on anything except event, which, tbf it's prolly decent on pirates and goblins in early hardmode but it sucks on anything else if you dont... abuse statues i guess

[cedar osprey]

It can cheese up to cultist with statue enemies

Cuz the bolts do 100% of damage

Each bolt is 130 base damage

225 with early hardmode gear

[glass arch]

either way still belongs in #1042197406776827914 rather than posting

[cedar osprey]

Apologies

My mistake

[glass arch]

dw its common for people to not know balance suggs exists

[cedar osprey]

I’ll grab a vid of it in action today lol

[hollow shell]

Really?

I wouldn't have said so so definitively

[cobalt pewter]

well ozz already fixed it

after the guy forwarded it to #1042197406776827914

[hollow shell]

alright well fair enough

[wide river]

I don't really think asking for a weapon to not work on statues is inherently balance related, but yeah it's already fixed

[hollow shell]

Can't say I'm opposed to suggestions getting implemented like 2 weeks before a typical suggestion would even have its opinion state finalized

[hollow shell]

huh.

Weird oversight if true

[warped furnace]

Was trying to turn it back so.

Wasn't able to.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[drowsy plank]

why did remove "where's malice" get into voting when it's already confirmed for implementation

unless the plan was for someone to 🛠️ it immediately lmao

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the "Where's Malice?" button from the difficulty switcher]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

ez

[hollow shell]

heh

[wide river]

I remember seeing a discussion here a while back about Aquatic Scourge's drops
Maybe I'll suggest that they get a rework, considering they're all just buffed versions of Desert Scourge's drops

[half imp]

I think thematically it makes sense

they're just

not interesting

[wide river]

Copy-pasting a set of weapons and just giving it a numbers boost does not outweigh "making sense"

[half imp]

submarine shocker and whatever the DS shortsword is needs to die or be completely reworked

[half imp]

yeah they need a bit more

be related to the DS drops but not just stronger clones

[swift wharf]

remove AS

tbh

[half imp]

no

unless deep diver is from another source then ok

[swift wharf]

LMAO

literally

DS but hardmode

same drops

but green

[half imp]

I mean the fights a bit different

but the drops could use a rework

[swift wharf]

when the spam is projectileful

the drops dont need a rework

they need to be removed in favour of new ones

[half imp]

but but

[swift wharf]

(well you can say thats the same thing as a rework but yea

[half imp]

I can't come up with a counterargument because you're not wrong

[drowsy plank]

i like scooge even if he's bad
frankly if we were killing one i think desert worm should die first

[half imp]

but

only desert boss

otherwise I agree

[swift wharf]

something something prehm desert boss

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[wide river]

I really don't think we need to kill any bosses yet, but I do agree. Desert Scourge is probably first up on the chopping block

[half imp]

solution:

underground desert boss luxor that drops luxor's gift

and kill ds

[swift wharf]

levi:

[half imp]

iirc fabsol said Levi is one of the only bosses he's not planning on doing even minor reworks to

[swift wharf]

rework DS into that cool as fuck resprite

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404776393117925376/1077179201318309958/ee748c6cb877ce60.png

[half imp]

Ayo

[wide river]

Leviathan and Anahita are fine. Unlike most bosses, they've actually got a unique pattern, a dual boss fight, and completely unique drops

[swift wharf]

the
the worm boss that's not a worm enemy

[wide river]

This would definitely be cool, but either the devs would have to request permission to use this, or the original spriter would have to submit it in the Calamity Art server

[drowsy plank]

giant clam

[half imp]

that's not a desert boss

smh

[drowsy plank]

i mean

basically

[swift wharf]

moist desert boss

[drowsy plank]

kill desert scourge upgrade giant clam upgrade great sand shark problem solved

[half imp]

oh gss

forgot

[swift wharf]

gss is simply not real

[drowsy plank]

make him real

[swift wharf]

never

[drowsy plank]

look i dont want to be like
"oh but infernum did it"
but like
oh but infernum did it and i think GSS is better for it
you get rid of DS and AS feeling the same because DS is gone
you don't have a random fucking "miniboss" in the sunken sea locked behind him because it is Literally Just A Boss Now
and GSS fills in the role of adding a desert boss
everyone wins

well besides desert scourge but fuck em

[half imp]

Iirc cal was planning to move GSS anyway

[drowsy plank]

exactly

[swift wharf]

to where

postml?

[drowsy plank]

plus

worm bosses

yeah that was the plan

[swift wharf]

early hardmode WOULD make it useful but

early hardmode

[drowsy plank]

so much content already...

plus we still need to move evil2 bosses there

[swift wharf]

sand elemental.......

[wide river]

If one of you'd like to, you can suggest to remove Desert Scourge

[drowsy plank]

im not gonna do it this is just conjecture and the amount of systems that would need to shift to satisfy this insane request would probably quantify as "too much effort"

[swift wharf]

y'know that could work

[wide river]

When I mentioned removing Hive Mind and Perforators, Rover said that it'd be "A rare grand-scale reconsideration that would decrease the devs workload rather than increase it"

It still very likely wouldn't pass, but it would have a slightly higher chance because of that

[drowsy plank]

hm

yeah it prolly wouldn't pass but like
if you want to submit it you've got the reasoning
i need to finish calc homework but ill consider it if you don't

[wide river]

Aight, I'll give it a shot later

[desert briar]

There are so many reasons she can't be her old sprite

1. It doesn't fit with the lore at all anymore, unless you expect a full lore rewrite for her again

2. It doesn't make any sense to have her break out of it, as she herself was never trapped in it

[swift wharf]

1. the suggestion sucks

[wide river]

You're referring to the Supreme Calamitas sprite suggestion, right?

[desert briar]

Yeah

It's stupid

Makes no sense

[wide river]

Considering it's just a reversion suggestion, it breaks the suggestion rules if anything

[desert briar]

Also, I'm pretty sure the rules are to provide a reason for your suggestion. That person just went "pls do this" and left

[wide river]

It's single-handedly breaking like five rules lol

[swift wharf]

nutella & go

[drowsy plank]

tfw it's already flagged anyway

why are we talking about it lul

[wide river]

I really don't know

I got nothing better to do I guess

[swift wharf]

this channel's regulars in a nutshell

[wide river]

Pretty much

[drowsy plank]

i have now given the chat new material 👍
was considering this after the big discussion in #1042197406776827914 about it

[wide river]

I assumed it was based on that

[tardy geyser]

on kill effects definitely need to be killed

but yeah while those 2 weapons are a little boring I dont think they are too bad

[wide river]

Considering their only use is events or bosses with lots of minions, yeah
Or at least changed to on-hit effects with cooldowns

[drowsy plank]

i think these two are like

the
only on kill effects in the game

gladiator's doesnt count bc sword shrine + accessory but

wow

[wide river]

Does Gladiator's Locket have an on-kill effect?

Huh, so it does

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's like half of its effect

also

i was wrong

burnt sienna, sparkling empress, and aquatic discharge also have on kill effects
you know
preHM weapons
where those kinds of effects BELONG

[tardy geyser]

would still be nice if they could proc on bosses, like on a cooldown or at a health percentage

[wide river]

I forgot that those first two existed

[drowsy plank]

oh and also enhanced nano rounds but those aren't real anyway considering nano rounds actually do something now

[drowsy plank]

i tried suggesting something like that once, it didn't go anywhere

[wide river]

Still unfortunate that the removal suggestion for those failed

[drowsy plank]

frankly even if carnage and evil smasher did get that they would still be lame as fuck because gimmick true melee weapons

[wide river]

I'd prefer if Evil Smasher got killed, but I'd like if Carnage got reworked

[drowsy plank]

it's funny, the only other weapons that ever had on kill effects either had them changed to on hit already or were removed

ex; shivs

I think Evil Smasher is kind of iconic, in its own weird, annoying kind of way. I think turning it into a psuedo-hammerang would be fun, there isn't really a melee weapon like that in early hardmode considering light discs are now... on tier with pwnagehammer bc hallowed bars. And I guess Bananarangs and Sergant United do exist, but it wouldn't be hard to shuffle 'em a little, plus they don't work like Pwnage does, they're just ACTUAL boomerangs

[half imp]

y'know how someone attached a video the the murasama hit request

carnage video :)

but yeah carnage especially needs a rework

evil smasher is genuinely the most on generic tm broadsword to stay besides like

majestic guard

because it has an interesting if niche gimmick

[drowsy plank]

i still think it could use some work, maybe it could swing differently, like slamming into the ground and making shockwaves kinda like what ancient crusher used to do when it gets big enough

[half imp]

yeah

there is no TM broadsword that should stay

[novel belfry]

To me it kinda looks like a whip

[half imp]

but if there was one it would be majestic guard and it's upgrades

then probably evil smasher and avalanche

[drowsy plank]

only problem is wof already drops firecracker so like. i guess you could make it an upgrade but who knows

[novel belfry]

I was going to get to that, yes

actually? yeah

[drowsy plank]

ok well it'd been 9 minutes so im just bringing it up myself

the real issue is where'd you even move it if it did become a whip

[novel belfry]

hmmm

[wide river]

Considering there's already two start of hardmode whips, it'd have to get moved to later if it became a whip

[half imp]

carnage is fine as a true melee weapon

it just

needs to spread carnage instead of being lame broadsword

[glass arch]

the issue is that cal doesnt add any whips so far due to summoner being unbalanced for them

not where you'd move it

[novel belfry]

it would be probably be where whips are sorely needed

[wide river]

Ye

[novel belfry]

That's probably been my number one sore spot for this mod rn

[drowsy plank]

weird considering cal summons are perfectly viable without whips lol

im sure the mythical Great Summonner Rebalance will happen eventually and we'll get our whips

[inner anvil]

Give me time.

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah of course i didnt mean to sound rushed im saying that bc it's going to be

a LOT of work

[glass arch]

cal players when devs need time to do things /j

[drowsy plank]

so dont expect anything soon

[inner anvil]

And of course I cannot do things by myself, it would be nonsensical not talking it with the team.

[half imp]

simply do it yourself

my motto fr

(storm weaver minion my beloved)

[drowsy plank]

when you putting it on the workshop fr i want to use it already

[half imp]

after I get the resprite done

everquartz is spriting it

[drowsy plank]

nice

[wide river]

I'm going to say this now, so no one is startled by it
Text wall of moderate size incoming

I just now realized something.
I've seen some amount of support for like three boss removal suggestions so far, in my 2 months of having spoke here
Storm Weaver, Hive Mind and Perforators, and Desert Scourge are the ones I'm referring to
Storm Weaver had the idea come up in the lore channel, when it was mentioned that the devs were having issues thinking of good ideas for them; Desert Scourge was discussed here a while ago; and Hive Mind and Perforators were an idea that I had thrown around at some point
I haven't suggested any of them yet, but they stand the highest chance of getting past posting

[inner anvil]

Bro we already resprited Desert Scourge and y'all want to remove it? 💀

[drowsy plank]

i think weaver is in a good spot rn tbh

[inner anvil]

SMH my head.

[wide river]

Did Desert Scourge get a resprite?

[inner anvil]

Heart did, we didn't add it yet because it's missing the mini Desert Scourges still.

[drowsy plank]

lol it was being tossed around as a half joke because it would solve AS being too similar and Clam and GSS do exist but it seemed silly anyway

also Nice

[wide river]

I really wasn't planning on suggesting any of them

[half imp]

Weaver is fantastic except it's loot

Weaver when it gives 0 melee weapons

[glass arch]

hive and perfs would be much better if they were retiered

[half imp]

and 1 summonner sentry

[wide river]

Calamity players when the boss doesn't give progression for all classes

[glass arch]

as in, not directly after evil1s

[fervent orbit]

weaver when it gives prismatic

[half imp]

imo all bosses should have a reason to kill them

for all classes

[wide river]

Also where is the summoner sentry you're referring to

[half imp]

Aqua's Scepter

Made from armored shells

[wide river]

Ah, I thought you were referring to direct drops.

[half imp]

nah I meant from killing the boss in general

[inner anvil]

Remnants of Storm Weaver basically being a miniboss, oh well.

[half imp]

then there's like

[glass arch]

i personally think weaver is fine without a melee weapon
we have... WAY to many of them

[half imp]

CV with twisting nether having a billion uses

[glass arch]

signus drops twisting nether

[half imp]

wait

[glass arch]

cv drops dark plasma

[half imp]

that

dark plasma

[glass arch]

aint twisting nether also used for quite a bit of stuff

[wide river]

Melee, ranged, and mage weapons

[half imp]

not as much as plasma

but yeah Signus and CV give weapons for every class i think

[random talon]

hey, would suggesting changing the "violent" line of equip reforges violate the rule on big, long changes?

It might, but I'm not too sure

Now that I've typed this, I can imagine it causing some balance issues

yea, nvm

[drowsy plank]

i mean violent already causes problems but what exactly did you want to do

[sturdy vapor]

guys is empress of ligth smash or pass?

[drowsy plank]

you aren't funny

[south flint]

😐

[blazing kettle]

pass

[lavish condor]

Is the Dreadnautlius sugg really Calamity's job to change? Does it interact with Calamity's content at all?

[wide river]

It's part of my master plan which involves another suggestion that I can't suggest yet

[half imp]

is hardmode progression really calamity's job to change?

[drowsy plank]

calamity already changes its AI

[lavish condor]

If it does then it works I guess

[wide river]

Maybe I should bring that up in exchange for the Boss Checklist argument

[drowsy plank]

possibly

[golden sonnet]

Me waiting for 1.4.4 to come out so I can remove calcium potion because horshoe BoB exists then and we already have bounding potions. Then after that passes I can request ancient bone dust gone.

[drowsy plank]

man i got a document for mine lmfao

[wide river]

I've got a document storing my suggestion ideas and it's 5000 characters and 1000 words

[drowsy plank]

you are like a little baby
behold

[wide river]

Good lord

[glass arch]

imagine making docs of suggestions and not suggesting at the spur of the moment

[wide river]

I mean I've started making these like two months ago and you've been here for almost 3 years

[drowsy plank]

tbf some of these are just archived but i could easily pull some of these out of retirement if i cared

[drowsy plank]

i haven't used this thing in a while, i usually do just do them spur of the moment these days tbh

[drowsy plank]

fair

[half imp]

imagine having a document

[glass arch]

i just noticed all of our pfps have blue and some shade of grey/black

[drowsy plank]

blue gang

[wide river]

Huh, so they do

[half imp]

I have a mod documenting my suggestion

[half imp]

that was unfortunate timi

[drowsy plank]

im not touching a fucking terminal when thinking about the funny block game i come here to forget im failing comp sci

[half imp]

but

but it's easy

[glass arch]

correct

[half imp]

just don't do anything complicated

add generic broadswords :)

[glass arch]

ah yes, the one way to make things easy
dont do the hard shit

[drowsy plank]

i tried to make a hellstone drill once and then i never opened tml source again

[wide river]

2017 Calamity

[swift wharf]

mfw miniboss isn't a thing in vanilla

[half imp]

I hate drills

[swift wharf]

i mean this is a boss checklist issue lmao

[half imp]

drills suck to make tbh

[drowsy plank]

you know we clown on broadswords a lot but when is ranger gonna get a glow up to stop being ore bows But Not and minishark 3.0s

[drowsy plank]

i didnt know drills were this bad lmfao

[swift wharf]

and I thought that it was in the checklist huh

[drowsy plank]

he is not

[wide river]

If I drop the Boss Checklist argument it becomes Calamity issue :)

[swift wharf]

why

[half imp]

I would rather make a storm weaver minion over a drill any day

[swift wharf]

calling it a boss would solve nothing

it's the same mid enemy

[half imp]

Calamity buffs nautalis

[drowsy plank]

lmfao ok maybe i should take a second look once i stop being exhausted

[half imp]

changes it's ai

[drowsy plank]

^

[swift wharf]

it's the same mid enemy

[half imp]

no it's not

[wide river]

Like I had mentioned earlier, it's part of a plan that I can't follow up yet

[swift wharf]

nobody talks about it

[half imp]

Calamity changes it

[swift wharf]

nautilus ai is so good

!!!!

[half imp]

so it's not the same

[drowsy plank]

we were just talking about moving carnage to dread and making it rogue

[swift wharf]

at least it has one useful drop

[half imp]

it has literally one drop

lol

[swift wharf]

SEE

[half imp]

(one unique drop)

so thus, all it's drops are useful

:)

[drowsy plank]

it literally only drops sanguine why doesnt it drop the other blood moon tools/weapons

[swift wharf]

the mod changes the AI
but nobody cares

[small timber]

Why is carnage and evil smasher on the same suggestion?

It just become more like "universally kill use style 1" rather than "kill uninteresting weapon"

Evil smasher is very useful as one of the first hardmode weapon you can get easily and is one of the more crucial true melee option especially in higher difficulty sue to its high knockback (higher difficulty tend to have kb resist)

[half imp]

Best boss bc it doesn't drop any useless weapons

[swift wharf]

because you get them from other blood moon enemies

[half imp]

this

[small timber]

Is the weapon interesting? Not really

Does it have use? Yeah

[drowsy plank]

i mean there u go

[half imp]

also evil smasher is way more interesting than like

[drowsy plank]

u answered ur own question

[half imp]

half the broadswords

why not feralthorn claymore

[glass arch]

this is why we suggest to give it more shit and make it more noticeable so people actually care about it

[small timber]

If you are just wanting to kill and rework every single use style 1 weapon then you will have a LOT of weapon to just go through

[drowsy plank]

no im just picking these two in particular bc

on kill

[distant gyro]

you can never guess where this was from

[half imp]

I did four swords in a day before gimme a few months

[drowsy plank]

christ alive

[swift wharf]

class setups

[half imp]

genuinely if I wasn't trying to make every sword the best sword in the mod but just good enough

it wouldn't take long to at least make them not use style 1 clones

[swift wharf]

ywah like

just add more drops lma

but also making a boss drop an weapon for all classes is also zzzz

[wide river]

Technically Dreadnautilus has two
Blood Moon Monolith

[swift wharf]

the real boss are nautilus + blood moon enemies..........

[drowsy plank]

mmmm mongolip

[wide river]

So what I'm getting from this is to add the changed AI point to the suggestion and it'll be good

[small timber]

The changed AI made the fight easier

Oh wait sry didnt realise I had reply on

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

[small timber]

So it is even more like a mini boss than an event boss

But yeah I think the main argument is: is mothron on the boss checklist as an event boss?

If it is you can make the case for it, if not probably not

[swift wharf]

actually it is a boss because it as an achievement

[drowsy plank]

why does it have an achievement

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[swift wharf]

because it's a bot

[drowsy plank]

wowie

[swift wharf]

boss

ombgus

[drowsy plank]

eclipse are you having a stroke

[wide river]

I could suggest that they get promoted too
Suddenly the argument is gone

[small timber]

I mean opening a dead man chest is an achievement

And of course riding a unicorn and using a rainbow gun too

[swift wharf]

doctor bones is a boss

[blazing kettle]

tim

[worldly basalt]

the first tree is a boss

[wide river]

I never strictly said that having an achievement qualifies something for being a boss

[worldly basalt]

too bad, ankh shield is a boss now

[wide river]

It may as well be

[worldly basalt]

although I do wish nautilus was a proper boss

[wide river]

The AI change honestly felt like a step towards doing that

[grim tusk]

@wide river big scale rework

Also does it actually have a trophy?

[glass arch]

no

at least not if cal doesnt add one

[small timber]

I think the suggestion is just "put if on boss checklist" basically

[glass arch]

but it does have blood moon monolith

[grim tusk]

Then thats not on us

Thats on boss checklist

[wide river]

That's not what the suggestion is
It's just to turn it into an event boss

But if you think it'd be too much effort, then eh.

[small timber]

oh so you actually want to turn it into an event boss

then ya if mothron didnt get that treatment I dont see why dreadnautilus should

because solar eclipse is even more of an "event" than blood moon

[wide river]

How, exactly?

[distant gyro]

I feel like this is something you'd @ red about and he'd get done

adding a dread trophy/relic

[small timber]

solar eclipse has more varied type of enemies, a lot more relevant drops, have most of its drops locked behind plantera (which make it "similar" to moons, it is a stretch but yes), but in calamity it also have a connection with post-DoG due to ascendant spirit essence

it is a stretch but yes, I will argue comparatively to blood moon more so

[wide river]

You say that, but according to a statement from the late Leinfors, they didn't really know whether to do that or not

[worldly basalt]

so making dread a proper boss would make bloodmoon more of an event?

[small timber]

if dread is not only encounterable behind a fishing minigame when enemies are swarming at you sure

currently you kind of have to get completely out of the way to fight it, rather than mothron which just spawn naturally no matter if you want it or not

but yeah it is just comparatively, obviously solar eclipse is not quite an "event", just when compared to blood moon more so; so if mothron didnt get any special treatment dreadnautilus don't really deserve it

obviously dread have more interesting moveset due to it being a newer content but at the same time the rest of the event is much lower quality

[swift wharf]

i think that the reason why it's a normal enemy accroding to vanilla is that you're intended to fish a lot during blood moons so it spawns a lot

[novel belfry]

you could pull a duke fishron and have the dreadnautlius only spawn if you use a special bait, perhaps obtained by fishing in blood moons to keep the connection there

[wide river]

As far as I'm aware, there is nothing that could redeem the suggestion, so there's no point in talking about it.
You're all free to keep discussing it, I'm just letting you know.

[gritty wraith]

c'mon man it'd take like 15 minutes to make

[blazing kettle]

its not that they are lazy but its more that it doesnt fit in calamity

[random pendant]

imagine if you get extra damage if you have both rage and adrenaline active (outside the two combined percentage boosts)

would be cool as hell, but probably not balanced

[small timber]

the game is already not balanced around adrenaline and rage so you can imagine that, yes, they will not add it because it will be not balanced

both are already extremely powerful in their own way, there is no reason to give them extra power

[random pendant]

i mean there could be a drawback but like, what that could be is beyond me

[small timber]

then people will complain about the drawback, it is not worth the trouble

with both combined you are already deleting boss HP anyway, whether it is deleting it 10% slower or 10% faster but with a drawback do not matter to most player
chances are most don't want the (potential) drawback even

[random pendant]

shame really, cool as hell in theory but would need VERY careful developing to work

[drowsy plank]

i think that sounds lame as hell

adren and rage are enough tbh

[cobalt pewter]

hell I'd rather they remove adren

rage can stay, it's cool

[ripe owl]

Of course it is

[crude geode]

insert The Sugg™️

[cobalt pewter]

what sugg™

[ripe owl]

The Sugg™

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

Uuuh

But why is it mentioned here

Because it was finally made cool after that sugg?

[cobalt pewter]

ghuh

[cobalt pewter]

@echo lion #1042197406776827914

[small timber]

yeah post it there

[swift wharf]

holy fucking shit

[small timber]

@unreal saffron while not directly related, it is mostly because of this rule

because they can't change the vanilla ones, they have to follow the vanilla damage type as otherwise you just upgrade your class weapon into another class for no reason

yes it is shitty but it is what it is

for empyrean knife they can easily change the name, because vampire knife (and the preHM one) is already melee to begin with

for paladin hammer it is mostly just because the dungeon one is melee (and pwnagehammer is also melee)

tldr: because their downgrade is a melee weapon their upgrade cant be a rogue weapon (except donor items which mostly dont really care about this rule but at the sametime this is not donor item suggestion)

also what do you classify as "endgame weapon" and rogue having only 2

[swift wharf]

rogue has like

[unreal saffron]

Counter argument: equanimity and nights gaze. Both are rogue upgrades to melee weapons, those being the flamarang and ice boomerang for equanimity, and the daybreak for nights gaze.

[swift wharf]

sacrifice, celestus, supernova, scarlet devil, nanoblack reaper

etc

[hollow shell]

Add that to your suggestion.

[swift wharf]

I mean

Then you would remove melee's upgrades

[hollow shell]

Also Empyrean Knives and Empyrean Armor names are just a coincidence, they have no thematic connection whatsoever

[swift wharf]

and yea that

[hollow shell]

Empyrean is a real word that means something like "godly" or "heavenly"

[swift wharf]

also it surprises me that nights gaze uses daybreak instead of shards of antumbra

[small timber]

then ya the 2nd question will be whether it is a necessary move

because even if equanimity and night gaze exist, they kind of are an outlier rather than the standard, so it have an additional consideration of whether moving them to rogue is necessary

[swift wharf]

yeah

[small timber]

still yeah, exactly what part of progression did rogue have 2 weapon only

[swift wharf]

developer tier

but doesnt matter because post scal and exo gear is also endgame

[small timber]

I mean, if that is the case this suggestion have nothing to do with shadowspec tier

most is illustrous knife which turn out to be a dev item so

[swift wharf]

xd

[hollow shell]

The way it's worded in the sugg is ESPECIALLY wrong because it says the knives reference the armor, when the knives have been in the game for way longer than the armor has had that name

[swift wharf]

if it was NOT developer tier than it would've mattered

[small timber]

and galaxy smasher -> true tractis I guess, but both are dev weapon so you can't just suggest to change it

[swift wharf]

blame the developers not the class

[ripe owl]

Triactis' and Illustrious are both dev weapons, I don't think they'd really be fond to give the rogue variants back to them

[hollow shell]

It'd be 0 issue.

We literally already did it (or, the opposite of it, I guess)

[unreal saffron]

Seeking scorcher can be devolped further and given upgrades, as i said in the post, the possessed hatchet is the spiritual successor to the paladins hammer, which is then upgraded into seeking scorcher.

[small timber]

depend on whether they want it to be rogue yeah

[ripe owl]

Oh

Also not we, them

Sorry to salt the wound

[swift wharf]

h uh

[hollow shell]

It was back when I was a dev so yeah I can say "we"

[ripe owl]

Oh yeah, that's right

[unreal saffron]

Maybe a thingy like the capricorn tail to switch between damage types? Idk im just throwing this out

[small timber]

then this suggestion will kind of have to be a chained suggestion

because part of the reasoning is based on an upgradeline that do not exist yet

[hollow shell]

ok but FPH is literally a direct upgrade to Paladin's Hammer, not even spiritual they share a name

[unreal saffron]

Just speculation

[unreal saffron]

In vanilla, the PH is the upgrade

Possessed hatchet

[small timber]

currently the fallen paladin hammer is the melee end game upgrade line rather than hatchet, in this case your argument will work both way: make hatchet upgrades rogue and give them further upgrades

[ripe owl]

Seems bout right

[swift wharf]

i love when TWO items in the SAME progression point have SAME acronyms

brainfart

[unreal saffron]

Wow, Possessed Hatchet, Paladins Hammer. PH PH.

[random talon]

Me when the acronyms

[swift wharf]

I LOVE PH

[random talon]

Pre hardmode?

[hollow shell]

("same" progression isn't accurate cuz one is post Plant and the other is post Golem. Close, though)

[ripe owl]

It's a PHM

[swift wharf]

[ripe owl]

PH is probably juuuuh

[hollow shell]

Pallen Haladin's Mammer

[random talon]

[small timber]

@random talon that happened before and is explicitly turnt off because of breaking every single melee weapon and throw their balance into the dumpster

[ripe owl]

So true

[random talon]

oh

[hollow shell]

wait wdym

[random talon]

( ._.)

[unreal saffron]

Yo im down. Violent just perpetuates the melee masterclass ideology, and i am sick of it

[small timber]

oh sry what I mean is melee speed working on all melee weapons (not just violent)

[ripe owl]

It meant every weapon

Not "every melee weapon"

With some exceptions I guess

[random talon]

though having a reductive measure could help to mitigate the imbalance

[small timber]

also fallen paladin hammer, pwnagehammer and to that extent galaxy smasher is vastly different from hatchet so I think it is unfair to say "melee already get hatchet"

[random talon]

like how DR buffs get less effective the more of them you use

[small timber]

like they are functionally different

oh all class of weapon you say

[random talon]

yes

[unreal saffron]

Oh I completely forgot about pwnge

[small timber]

glove of recklessness boost rogue attack speed by 12% at the cost of -13% rogue damage or whatever

[unreal saffron]

Lol

[small timber]

it is currently one of the most randomly broken accessory in the game

let alone ranger which traditionally have low usetime because their attack speed are not intended to be boosted

so yeah, this will break all balance

[random talon]

I see your point

[small timber]

only melee (and to certain degree rogue because of glove of recklessness) will not be broken with this change, any other class will break instantly

[random talon]

except mostly summoner

[round ravine]

I accidentally hit enter. Sorry about that.

[random talon]

bc the speed boost usually only affects the initial summon

[swift wharf]

it wont be unbalanced because all weapons will be extremely op

[random talon]

:trol:

[unreal saffron]

Updated it to change pwnge

[small timber]

saw the zenith cosmic anvil for a split second, so before you type the whole thing:

[random talon]

why cant i use it?

the trol emoji i mean

[swift wharf]

violent finna give me 1 use time weapons fr fr

[random talon]

fr

[small timber]

and currently zenith works too well on DoG but is conceptually unusable on Yharon

[swift wharf]

so no problem in making it pre-yharon

[round ravine]

I mean, I wasn't asking to adjust its stats. I just was saying they should alter the recipe so that it requires a Cosmic Anvil since it requires Auric Bars in Calamity.

[swift wharf]

wait yharon is not post dog

💥

wait it doesnt need a canvil?

canvil lmao

[small timber]

so it cant be pre-DoG because then it have to be nerfed hard which will cause it to die immediately after DoG, and it can't be post-DoG because then you have a conceptually weak weapon against specifically Yharon that you have to massively buff it which then will butcher Scal and Exo (both of which zenith is very strong mechanically due to them staying on the screen)

so it is either: make it post-Yharon, or make it pre-Yharon but make yharon take like 5x damage from zenith which is still feeling shitty to use mechanically so at that point just make it post-Yharon

[wide river]

You can fight them just after Moon Lord if you so please

[round ravine]

Still, if the document says not to fuck with the Zenith, then I won't fuck with the Zenith.

[small timber]

that is exactly what I am referring to yes: no stat adjustment, purely tiershift

[swift wharf]

I mean if it is crafting recipe consistency then ig it's fine

not even an ancient manipulator

lmao

[small timber]

ok the suggestion still havent explain what do they mean by "2 rogue endgame weapon" other than potentially specifically shadowspec tier

[cobalt pewter]

the trollage

[small timber]

then it will basically change nothing yeah

[swift wharf]

it does say now

yeah make it use cosmic anvil it will troll the speedruners or smth

[cobalt pewter]

"Empyrean Knives" referencing "Empyrean armor" is such a stretch Monkey D. Luffy can't even reach it

[swift wharf]

[cobalt pewter]

and dude is a rubber

[random talon]

:trollface:

[wide river]

This is just nitpicky but saying Counter Argument in the suggestion makes it seem like you're countering your own suggestion

[random talon]

how come you get to use the trollface emoji?

do you have

[swift wharf]

skill

[random talon]

ahh i see

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

also this sounds

broken

[small timber]

(also the violent suggestion definitely have to be marked because it will break balance beyond believe)

[cobalt pewter]

Minishark becomes GOD

[swift wharf]

noo it will be fine

[hollow shell]

ehhhh hmmm I think your sugg would be fine, even with that Dont's existence
because it won't actually re-tier it at all

[swift wharf]

ja

[random talon]

ok, I'll take it down

[small timber]

I mean arcane don't exactly increase max stealth don't they, or silent increasing like, true melee damage (or something)
not all reforges exactly have to work on all classes

[random talon]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

I think the issue is that melee speed exists in the first place

[small timber]

or lucky for summoner crit which will be extra funny

[wide river]

NO
DO NOT

[cobalt pewter]

wasn't crit on summons breaking the hell outta the game

I remembered cal doing it for exactly one (1) patch

[wide river]

BALANCE WILL LITERALLY DIE