suggestions-discussion

[wide river]

Oh, huh.

[wide river]

@south notch This is already planned, and that is not at all how you write a suggestion.

[bright crag]

^

And please keep in mind, adding whips is a very arduous process
We want to do it and hopefully we will, but it'll take some time and effort

[wide river]

I know that it is possible in tMod to add whips, as some other mods do it, but Calamity is much bigger than those other mods, and adding whips would require a complete rebalancing of the entire summoner class, as stated before by many others here

[bright crag]

In sequence

• Making all summons consistent (we have few people, who aren't super experienced, handling items)
• Making sure whips work as intended
• Rebalancing the entire class to include whips
• THEN, we can implement new whips, which need to be designed, approved, sprited and coded

[wide river]

^

[blazing kettle]

we need a read pins label on every channel at this point

[wide river]

That would fix
literally nothing

[golden sonnet]

The only fix that would have large scale success is to use a bot that makes it so a certain message is always at the bottom, which reduces readability

[wide river]

It'd be the equivalent of every message being a text wall, yeah

[golden sonnet]

Well the text itself could just say read pins, it wouldn't need to send the entire pins every time

[wide river]

The bot solution works in the Wiki channel, but that's probably just because it doesn't get messages very often

[golden sonnet]

But still reduces readability for the channel

[wide river]

Yeah, definitely

[atomic shell]

isn’t this literally what ark of the cosmos parry does

[small timber]

dont you literally take less damage from projectile and straight up immune to contact damage from the parry? (for the hit you parried)

and also iirc they wanted to make ark more "newbie friendly", which was the main reason they buffed ark of the cosmos despite it already being decently strong even without parry

they don't want to create a 2nd drataliournus where you are rewarded with skill ceiling so much that drat straight up kill bosses at a nohit pace (adrenaline and nohit gear included) on a tester/balanced gear without adrenaline or rage

[swift wharf]

i am so confused

[small timber]

and also I dont see how the propose suggestion is any better than the current version, likely worse even: parry already reduce projectile damage/nullify contact damage of the hit you parried, all the suggestion does is just remove the "range of the parry"

and if all of that is to justify a bigger damage boost then as stated above, it will create another drat

and also there is a very clear reason why it don't nullify projectile damage: because dodges are broken, hence why passive dodges have 90s CD; ark has a short parry CD hence why it dont fully nullify projectile damage; contact at least you have aegis/asgard's valor line already so it is justifiable why it is allowed to remove contact damage

the way you propose it will just make it even more broken for no reason when it is already a very strong weapon (for most of the ark, iirc only ark of the ancient is kind of weak due to its awkward position in the progression)

[swift wharf]

i think it does nullify projectile damage until a certain damage threshold

idr tho

[small timber]

yeah depend on the ark iirc, ark of the cosmos is 200 (which is a lot because you have defense) and fractured is 100 (which makes most boss deal 0 damage)

[bright crag]

^

Not to mention how actually having a decent range for parries is nice

Running into damage sources is a much worse way of proccing a parry

[small timber]

and to certain degree more boring if it is omnidirectional (eg: right click = instant parry no matter the direction as long as the hit hits you at the time)

[bright crag]

We want Ark to be a decent option for players that don't use its mechanics at all
And an incredible weapon (within reason) for those that use said mechanics

[small timber]

oh I just realise the suggestion is just asking to buff ark by making the parry easier to use while also giving bigger damage boost ^ (assuming that is the case)

[bright crag]

There's also the fact that, by giving a damage bonus to successful parries, you encourage players to go after attacks

If you wanted a defensive parry, you definitely shouldn't encourage that type of thing

(Going after/running into attacks)

[cobalt pewter]

bots can send messages that could only be seen by a certain person

they could just send specific people with marked suggs (either formatting or ❗ ) messages related to their mark

but either way ark parries are weird

[small timber]

tbh except for ark of the cosmos this is an issue for all the arks (especially early ones getting a ranged component to what was essentially a true melee weapon with true melee level of damage)

all arks except aotc is unusable without parry, and ark of the elements while usable get a ridiculous buff with parry

[bright crag]

Damn

[grim tusk]

Yea no this is too specific and barely has any reasoning whatsoever

[frosty trellis]

That's a flat out lie what
AotE bc of the snap is better than without parries, 10 seconds better on Providence with 95% parry uptime, at least as of 2.0.1.5. If they haven't removed the charges from the snap I don't see how this is possible

[gray nebula]

damn prov must be hell for the parry

tbh in the end the issue is on terraria

parries kinda need telegraphed proper attacks to work good

when a lot of bosses and enemies just spew out projectiles with little to no real warning, parrying becomes a bit less interesting

[cobalt pewter]

do a dead cells and give everything an ❗

smh

[frosty trellis]

It's obscenely easy to Parry on her
It just isn't worth it bc of the snap charges

[gray nebula]

yeah since shes so fat

tho the snap charges only charge 2 and can be gotten every 5 swings cant they

[crude geode]

Avengers Civil War

[frosty trellis]

Yeah while the parry itself can only be gotten like, every 18 or some shit bc the cooldown is weird

Then you have to spend time lining up the parry and actually parrying which takes away time from your combo that you could use just snap spamming

Which is more effective generally

AotC is completely worthless with parries on SCal and the only exo that is worth parrying is Ares due to the throw resistance

[grave zinc]

@hollow ridge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the tooltip for Tarragon Helm]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@dense ferry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rewrite Eye of Desolation miscellaneous quote.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow ridge]

Wait wtf

Epic

Also pwease rotate that one gem in the popup UI for gem tech armour 🥺

[ripe owl]

Nope 🚎

[hollow ridge]

:1984:

[halcyon zealot]

lol

[crude geode]

Myes defense bad

(I have not tried a defense build in my life)

[halcyon zealot]

hmm
I can see arguments going for and against dodge buffs
personally am slightly biased to dodge buffs / adjustments

I like the idea of there being a penalty for dodges

[crude geode]

Dodge is funny cuz in theory it’s op as shit but in reality stubbing your toe on a 50 damage hit is awful

This does not solve the problem I have with it

[north oracle]

Yeah, losing your dodge on a 1 damage hit just makes dodges worse than they already are with this suggestion

[halcyon zealot]

lol

I swear there was a sugg that asked for 1 damage to not affect dodges

and I starred it

[north oracle]

Dodges should be better but this does not help lol

[halcyon zealot]

W sugg

[crude geode]

@abstract forge do you have any argument besides the extremely outdated “glass cannon is the only build in existence”

[small timber]

mandatory

and yeah, the put it simply:
there is almost no reason to use dodge as your main defense IF you need to invest in it, because at that point just get defense/DR instead

unless a "dodge build" can scale to cooldown to stupid level, like 30 second per dodge, then it create an entirely different issue where it makes any other form of defense/DR completely redundant and you can just invest all into damage

so tldr because your main complain is dodge by itself being kind of shit you should just suggest the baseline dodges to be buffed rather than have an entire get around of "introduce dodge build"

(lowering dodge cooldown can be abit iffy, but make it not proc on random 1 damage attack by a slime and enter 1 year cooldown can be reasonable)

[cobalt pewter]

I think dodge should just not proc on literally any FUCKIN thing

hell I can sneeze in your general direction and it'd proc dodge

dodge can be procced in somewhat varying ways depending on the source

e.g. dodges only proccing on a single instance of damage that would deal at least 1-5% of your max HP, Brain of Confusion only proccing on projectiles, MNG upwards having reduced dodge cooldown when hit during dashing

right now everything that does dodge is just

oh a literal single digit of damage, let's waste your cooldown on that!

[frosty trellis]

As much as I am a Void Sash stan for the dodge and how much it's saved me, yeah it not procing on something that does none of my health regardless would be nice

[small timber]

what does this even mean?

what other stats are worth investing other than defense/DR, damage?

or like nerf movement speed?

so you would prefer investing into damage just become never worth it because the player baseline damage investment option is nerfed?

[swift wharf]

theres a suggestion in voting for making dodge not proc in certain conditions to avoid getting boned in the ass

it would be funny if stacking dodge accs reduced the cd

but the problem is that they're stat sticks disugised as dodge accs

🥸

[small timber]

if you are able to dodge then 90s CD is actually plentiful

you get an adrenaline continuition every 90s and you just dodge the rest

[dense ferry]

Yipee!!

[drowsy plank]

noooooo the strongest effect other than revives isnt strong enough blease buff it more

[swift wharf]

add an item that throws a smoke bomb and gives you 50% do avoid all attacks

and also having it in your inventory increases your dodge chance everytime you don't dodge

[small timber]

and also at the end the reason "offensive tradeoff item" is rarely added is because they inherently incentivize a "glass cannon" playstyle where you get extremely rewarded massively for basically nohitting

for that I think adrenaline is already one massively overtuned incentive to just nohit a boss, and because of that I don't think there is a need for more

things like dimensional soul artifact, omega blue armor and old duke scale are rare case of "glass cannon" item but at the sametime as you can see all of them are old and available at late game where nohitting things are way harder, and there are really not more items that are added that is like them (closest is reworked gladiator's locket but at the sametime it is more like a side benefit)

in this sense dodge is the most overtuned defensive mechanic for glass cannon, effectively it is "infinite defense and DR" for 1 hit that will allow you to use all these other glass cannon items while also continue to build up adrenaline; the only way to balance dodges is to make them have a somewhat long cooldown (which 90 second is)

for a "pure dodge build" defense and DR never is relevant in the first place, hence why it is not a trade off and why it should not be a tradeoff for reducing dodge cooldown

a proper tradeoff will say if your dodge accessory reduce your damage in some way which of course (for most people) is not the point of the item since you use it often with a glassy build

[swift wharf]

dodge isn't really a stat

[small timber]

then you need to chain a change that is not a thing yet into justifying the thing you are trying to make happen

[swift wharf]

you'd have to change all dodge items in the game to make "proper dodge builds" work

[small timber]

dodge "undo some portion of adrenaline" is not a thing in the game, therefore it cannot be justification for reducing dodge cooldown

(and of course it leads to a problem for people who do want to use dodge at 90s CD as adrenaline continuition and are not asking for reduce cooldown options, while attaching it as a downside on the dodge accessories themselves is a weird thing to do)

and as stated (initially) at what point do these dodge accessories straight up is just worse than getting defenes and DR? I think the answer is sooner than you expected

unless each accessory reduce dodge cooldown by an absurd amount, like 15s per accessory where you stack like 6 of them you have 30s dodge, then at that point it become a different problem

but if it only reduce it by modest amount, say 10s per accessory and have a 30s CD reduction cap so the best you can get is 60s CD then people will just complain how they are worthless

(and of course dodge scale exponentially with difficulty increase but that is a different topic)

[swift wharf]

safer spaces....

[north oracle]

No mobility, just dodge

[swift wharf]

mounts:

[thorn dock]

If bosses are alive:
Dodge cant proc on non-boss damage sources

[golden sonnet]

That would be nice, but with boss zen already existing that isn't very needed imo, as there shouldn't really be enemies to hit you in the first place

[small timber]

it is more often that dodge get procced by random slime before you even activate the boss summon so I don't think it really help that much

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, the amount of times I needed to wait a full 1.5 mins because I got hit by something just before using a summon is infuriating

[cobalt pewter]

dodge cooldowns can be reset when boss effects first appeared

(it's essentially the same as spawning a boss but it would not account for multiple boss spawns to avoid abuse)

[golden sonnet]

Tbh, I really like that idea. If a boss is summoned and there isn't one already alive, reset all cooldowns

[lavish condor]

I sugged resetting dodge cooldowns when a boss spawns once, but it didn't go far in voting

[golden sonnet]

It saves waiting for healing potions, dodges, etc

[small timber]

well I suggested this and get denied so I will guess it is abit pointless to suggest for lowering dodge CD

otherwise I can suggest "make dodge cooldown to scale proportionally to the HP loss the dodged hit would had caused"
and have like a min 30 second for hit that deal 0-1 HP in damage or something and scale to full 90s against medium/big hit so it is not a 90s time waste on 1 damage hit

[lavish condor]

The idea of it punishing all hits equally is something that defense and dr don't do, and might be valuable to keep specific to dodges

for uniqueness

[swift wharf]

the random slime in my pocket on its way to give me iframes for dog's head

[golden sonnet]

Feedback on wording and reasoning would be appreciated

[thin hill]

was this idea from something I just said in cmt

[golden sonnet]

Yes

[thin hill]

[golden sonnet]

I saw you mention nights ray was better, and I was like "wtf, Carnage Ray still exists?" I only just now saw you mention the comparison to bloody edge

[swift wharf]

add flesh of infidelity

to the sugg

[golden sonnet]

I literally did not know this item existed.

I have been playing calamity for 6+ years

[thin hill]

eye of night crimson variant uhh byeha

[small timber]

isnt the smart cursor thing some weird lack of tmodloader support

[golden sonnet]

Tbh I would prefer both the corruption and crimson variants of both of those weapons should be removed as I find the "knights edge" weapon for every class boring and often just combines fodder items that only exist to turn into a usable one. However I feel that suggestion would be less likely to pass

[swift wharf]

SO FUCKING TRUE

[small timber]

I thought smart cursor not supporting calamity torch is a lack of support but I cant find it, but yeah guess just see if any dev respond

[swift wharf]

EXTREMELY TRUE

thorium removed p much every night and terra item

so big W

(they are now shadow chest items)

[cobalt pewter]

thank fuck rogue doesn't (technically) have that

[golden sonnet]

#suggestions-voting message

[thin hill]

guh????????????????????

[golden sonnet]

It is just a thumbs up, meaning it's approved but not guaranteed for implementation, but still

[cobalt pewter]

it hardly means anything honestly

yeah it's approved but when it's gonna be added

basically what I view from the approval stamp

it's like my old murasama sugg

#suggestions-voting message

this one

plus devs change

[eternal escarp]

you pass sugg hell to enter sugg purgatory

pick your poison :(

[cobalt pewter]

it could be approved by the devs at the time but get different reaction from devs from another time if it's like

reposted or done by someone else later on

[cobalt pewter]

any phase of sugg posting aside from the implementation is purgatory

the illusion of choice

[hollow shell]

@lyric depot Am I missing something or is the parry mechanic you're suggesting already how the Ark's parry system works?

"player takes a reduce amount of dmg for a high dmg boost for their ark weapons"
"a timed blocking mechanic where the player has to touch or ram through an enemy or projectile to get the parry mechanic to activate and give the player its dmg boost. If the player fails or doesnt get hit, it will simply give a player a short cd before using it again"

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Fractured_Ark
"Right-clicking with the weapon performs a parry attack that grants the player brief invincibility frames on direct hits and reduce the damage of projectiles. Successful parries will also fill up the weapon's charge."
"If an enemy is hit by the sword during the parry, the owner will gain a little more than half a second worth of invincibility. If a projectile is hit by the sword, the projectile's damage will be lowered by a maximum of 100 damage for one second"
"After the parry finishes, successful or not, it will go on a cooldown, indicated by a rainbow bar above the player's head."
"Swinging the sword will consume one charge per swing, and landing a parry, be it on an enemy or a projectile will entirely refill the Ark's charges. When the ark holds any amount of charges, its damage will be multiplied by 1.5, the sword will get bigger, and each swing will fire a medium-ranged Ancient Beam projectile"

[small timber]

they want to change it into brand of inferno parry is my guess, but yeah I think they just completely unaware that the "parry" actually parry the attack rather than just give a buff

[hollow shell]

The Brand parry and Ark parry are almost identical in core functionality, it's just that Ark's has a bigger hitbox, a more extensive post-parry buff, and a longer cooldown I think

[small timber]

yeah brand is just worse in range but is not as precise, brand parry your entire front 180* degree

[hollow shell]

Also I don't think Brand can parry projectiles

might be wrong

[small timber]

brand cant yes, but on contact it have basically no cd (have parry downtime but thats about it)

[hollow shell]

aight yeah so
I would like to hear wallsonbob elaborate on what the difference is to them

I noticed they weren't pinged yet

[small timber]

I assume what they want is basically this

[golden sonnet]

There are a large number of items that I (as well as quite a few others based on discussion) feel should be removed, but the individual suggestions for each one don't seem to pass, and even if they do it would take a long time to get each individual item to pass. Would it be acceptable to compile them all into a document and use that document as the suggestion?

[hollow ridge]

How many do you want removed 💀

[cobalt pewter]

no one will read them

I guarantee you

making a sugg about that (without actually adding the relevant items in the sugg) will just make it very generic and hard to vote on

[golden sonnet]

there are 10 in the doc

[hollow ridge]

Damn

[cobalt pewter]

just sugg them one at a time

[small timber]

you can also suggest 10 different times to remove each of them

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

you'll get to be more specific on the why

and people can separately vote on what they want

do note that you can only put max 2 suggs a day

I'd suggest just make like 3 a week

[golden sonnet]

thats's what i was talking about in my question though, it will take a long time for 10 to pass, and you can only do 2 a day.

[small timber]

you can just post it here, all 10 of them

chances are people will argue many of them shouldn't be removed anyway

[cobalt pewter]

which is why separating each of them to a single sugg is better

no one will vote if there's even one item that they don't want to be removed

and that's at least 10% chance idk I Don't understand probability

if each item is its own sugg, people can just vote for one and not vote for the other

[golden sonnet]

oops, sent early

[cobalt pewter]

it's much more complicated but it's better chance for a few of them to get in rather than a compilation of everything dying in voting

[golden sonnet]

reformating

[small timber]

from what I saw some of them are already in voting yeah

[hollow ridge]

Refrence sugg

@thick sinew

[thick sinew]

Huh wut

[hollow ridge]

This is a "dont"

[small timber]

yeah a suggestion purely for the sake of reference is disallowed

[thick sinew]

Yo wut

[hollow ridge]

Read the doc before suggesting

[thick sinew]

Fine, I'll add it myself

[cobalt pewter]

ok

[hollow ridge]

Literally scroll up 6 messages

In posting

[cobalt pewter]

if the last few days of #suggestions-posting has taught me anything

it's that literacy is hard for some people

[fervent orbit]

wats with people currently

they think that anything is allowed or wat?

or know basic info about the game

[undone cedar]

Is it just me or have suggestions just been especially not good recently

[fervent orbit]

(like that guy that asked for crafting recipe for extractinator despite it being in the hell lab)

[cobalt pewter]

calamity sugg ecosystem fell off!!

[hollow ridge]

like peeps not reading pins

[cobalt pewter]

(honestly I kinda just stopped suggesting since I haven't played the goddamn mod in months)

[fervent orbit]

me when addingread pins to a channel name doesnt change anything (im a regular in help advice so im allowed to make this joke)

[cobalt pewter]

last time I opened base Terraria is to

test some things with Deerclops

that's it

[hollow ridge]

flashback to the time when the astral chest was bugging 💀

[fervent orbit]

NOOOO

[hollow ridge]

every second message asking for help was my world breaking

was favourited for a while

[golden sonnet]

They've all already failed in voting, that is part of what I mentioned in my original question, I can wait for friday to be sure if you would like though.

[random talon]

I may have contributed to this trend

[unreal saffron]

Coming here to talk about the future of calamity ammo, as once the next 3 bosses (yharim, noxus and xeroc) are added, we shouldn’t expect cosmolite tier munitions to carry players for 6+ bosses of increasing difficulty

[fervent orbit]

uhm

wot

[small timber]

then they will add those ammos when those 3 bosses are added

as simple as that

[orchid briar]

6+?

[fervent orbit]

ammo isnt supposed to be an upgrade its supposed to be a change

a sidegrade

something different

this wild thing called

[small timber]

currently cosmolite tier ammo is more than enough to deal with yharon, scal and exo

[fervent orbit]

unique effects

[unreal saffron]

Yharon, Scal, Draedon, AeW, Yharim, Noxus and Xeroc

If u count aew

[fervent orbit]

aew no longer counts

[golden sonnet]

No more ammo will be added as things are right now. they may add some when new bosses come out, but you would need to wait until then

#suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

there is no reason to add ammo with reasoning of existence based on the 3 bosses that havent even been in the game yet

cosmilite work fine (exceptional) for yharon, scal and draedon

[fervent orbit]

theres no reason to add any more ammo. period.

[small timber]

if they think cosmilite ammo is too weak when those 3 bosses get added then they will add new ammo
but only when those 3 bosses actually get into the game

[fervent orbit]

ammo shouldnt be a direct upgrade that would be stupid

its supposed to have a unique effect

[small timber]

90% of ammo is a direct upgrade

[fervent orbit]

changing a weapons ammo can drastically change its performance

[unreal saffron]

This

[fervent orbit]

you wouldnt use chlorophyte on fucking sniper rifle would you

[small timber]

which also happens that ammo in later progression will often or not be better than earlier progression ammo

if you use god slayer slug compare to luminite bullet on weapons chances are on 99% of weapons slug will be better

[fervent orbit]

thats more of a problem with calamitys scale

in vanilla theres way less difference between ammos

[small timber]

that is not a problem with how calamity scale, that is just how it should be
why will an ammo at later point of progression be weaker than those of the earlier

because at that point why not just use crystal bullet against yharon

[fervent orbit]

because crystal bullet has a shit effect lo

[small timber]

the only thing it should not is just being "definitively outscale everything else" because then it will be boring, like a later ammo just does 5x damage or something
but as of currently it is not

they are still an upgrade, just not a gigantic upgrade

[random talon]

would asking to add more buff potions/flasks be considered a bad suggestion?

[fervent orbit]

prob not buff pots

[small timber]

they just removed a bunch so likely no, or at least devs might not approve

[fervent orbit]

and flasks we dont rlly need more

the ones we have are fine as is imo

[random talon]

ok

glad I asked before making another crappy suggestion XD

[fervent orbit]

been letting this guy in posting cook for a bit and it better be good

[small timber]

what if it is add the lorde for april fool

[fervent orbit]

i will shoot myself then

ill go to america

get a gun

and shoot it

[golden sonnet]

(in a video game)

[fervent orbit]

me if this guy says the lorde or smthn stupid

[random talon]

guys, we're putting on a bit too much pressure! we need to let him cook!

[fervent orbit]

looks its gonna be a 1.4.4 sugg isnt it

like some shimmer mechanic

[random talon]

My suggestion: Make DoG a waifu so watching my character get swallowed whole for the 983rd time this month can be slightly less painful
(this is joke)

silence...

this can't be good

[fervent orbit]

you are so funny

[random talon]

"damn bro you got the whole squad laughing :|"

[glass arch]

its gonna be like the Werewulfrum sugg aint it

[serene tendon]

Joke suggs are not allowed

[fervent orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/boooooo-this-guy-stinks-serious-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11981386

[random talon]

oh crap

I need to re-review the rules doc

[glass arch]

what is this man cooking

[wide river]

I swear if it's just gonna be another two word suggestion

[random talon]

finished rereading the doc

very interesting read, 8/10

[dense ferry]

The fuck is going on

[glass arch]

there is someone cooking in posting

[dense ferry]

Incredible

[fervent orbit]

we r letting this guy cook

[random talon]

We're awaiting a suggestion & I'm being stupid

average day in Calamity discord

[fervent orbit]

grammar eror

u forgor a for

[glass arch]

?

[random talon]

?

[golden sonnet]

?

[glass arch]

awaiting isnt the same as waiting

[fervent orbit]

we are wating for a suggestion

smh

fuck

im illiterate

ok?

[wide river]

That's... not what they said?

[glass arch]

lmao

[random talon]

it's okay

[fervent orbit]

theres a reason why im failing english

[random talon]

I'm struggling with math

[fervent orbit]

im actually rlly good with words

[glass arch]

aint you english

[fervent orbit]

yea but english isnt like

english

its just

"find the connotations"

[wide river]

That and write 700 essays

[hollow ridge]

Suggestion

[glass arch]

damn it wasnt the person whos cooking

but yes good sugg

[hollow ridge]

Waiting for that one

[golden sonnet]

I cooked faster than them

[fervent orbit]

@golden sonnet why didnt u say to give it the rot/tooth balls and dank/blood clot treatement and make the 2 slightly different?

[wide river]

I sense that you really want those items gone

[random talon]

:/

[fervent orbit]

also this guy is

COOKING

its been over 10 minutes

[glass arch]

i hope i dont miss the sugg

[fervent orbit]

hes cooking

[glass arch]

mf writing a whole ass essay

[hollow ridge]

Boutta be gamebreaking

[golden sonnet]

Because slime god is for both evils, so it wouldn't make sense for it to drop one based on world evil, and if it drops both one will always be irrelevant as you will use the better one.

[dense ferry]

Is my Discord pissing or did them stop writing?

[random talon]

hype

[small timber]

you should probably use the word "or"

[hollow ridge]

They did

[small timber]

rather than "/"

[fervent orbit]

wat if its like that one chaos elemental suggestion

[wide river]

If it's just the most elaborate suggestion requesting maid calamitas I will actually scream

[fervent orbit]

wait i think i still have the image

[glass arch]

which one was that

[small timber]

and like make it capital " OR " too

[random talon]

I gotta see that lol

[dense ferry]

I think whoever was writing slept on the keyboard

[small timber]

currently from first read it sound like you want both gone rather than only 1 of them

[golden sonnet]

Done, thanks

[hollow ridge]

Aww

[fervent orbit]

got it

[hollow ridge]

They stopped

[small timber]

yeah even better

[random talon]

oof

[wide river]

Maybe we scared them

[swift wharf]

brah

[hollow ridge]

Homie what

Skull emoji

[swift wharf]

im not reading any of that

congrats or sorry for your less

[fervent orbit]

that was an actual image posted into posting

[hollow ridge]

Was it satire?

[wide river]

What the actual heck

[fervent orbit]

also the image is called "english_final_essay_11"

[fervent orbit]

idk man

[swift wharf]

chat gpt essay

[fervent orbit]

maybe read it

[dense ferry]

TELEPORT THROUGH THE SCREEN

[random talon]

tl;dr: make the Chaos Elementals into Monika from DDLC

[dense ferry]

AND INTERACT WITH THE REAL WORLD

[small timber]

I like how 90% of it is just complaining about player having the brain cell to play the game rather than how the teleportation can be improved
like it just go so off topic

[wide river]

Hmmm yes teleport into your house

[swift wharf]

chaos elemental fucking kills you

[wide river]

When the Chaos Elemental becomes a hitman

[glass arch]

i dont know if the person is still cooking or if discords just shitting itself

[wide river]

I don't see them typing anymore, so I presume they've stopped

[glass arch]

damn no more cooking

[fervent orbit]

simple quantum tunneling lo

[random talon]

Chaos Elemental: nice argument. Unfortunately, I am inside your walls

[swift wharf]

who was typing

[dense ferry]

THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING

[fervent orbit]

hederopheles i think?

it was some long af name startign with he

one word

[swift wharf]

rick and morty

[fervent orbit]

new person cooking

[random talon]

hell yea

[golden sonnet]

POV: a hoard of people are waiting to rip apart suggestion the moment it is posted

[wide river]

So true

[fervent orbit]

UR COOKING TOO

[random talon]

a bit

I doubt it'll go well

[fervent orbit]

man i rlly want to do a joke suggestion but like i dont feel like getting warned

[random talon]

based on past experience

[fervent orbit]

maybe ill make an alt

[wide river]

Wouldn't that also get you warned

[fervent orbit]

only if they know my alts name

heck

it could be in here

RIGHT NOW!

[wide river]

We are all your alts

[fervent orbit]

true

wat if im just fab?

you would never know

[unreal saffron]

Gotta take a test brb

[small timber]

question is why do we need an ammo upgrade at that point?

[wide river]

Because people really think that they need ammo for every stage of the game

[small timber]

unholy essence ammo (elysian arrow, holy fire bullet etc) and also bloodflare ammo which is just right after polterghast (right before old duke) exist already

[fervent orbit]

guhh

[small timber]

I dont see why we need 1 more ammo progression just for the sake of it

[fervent orbit]

sulphuric poisoning isnt even meant to be on duke items i heard

(which is why its so weak)

[swift wharf]

MORE POST ML AMMO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

old duke ammo.................

[random talon]

on a related note, why must DoG be immune to everything 😠

[fervent orbit]

THE GUYS COOKING AGAIN

ALERT

THE COOKER IS COOKING

[small timber]

if it is the Hardmode post-AS "Sulphuric Ammo" then ehhh maybe, but yeah

[random talon]

WOOOOOOOOOO

[small timber]

Old duke ammo is just unnecessary

[unreal saffron]

Bruh im just throwing things at the wall rn and seeing what sticks ok

[fervent orbit]

tbh we alr have plague rounds too

[unreal saffron]

Fuck i forgot about that

[fervent orbit]

ah one of the devs told me this but i forgot who

[wide river]

Oh yeah, because olde duke stuff was originally much earlier, right?

[hollow ridge]

Wait the guy who was cooking is back

[fervent orbit]

nvm found it

[hollow ridge]

I don't think there adding any new ammos

[swift wharf]

what's sp again

[fervent orbit]

sulphuric poisoning

[swift wharf]

i see

[fervent orbit]

currently the strongest normally sickness debuff

i thhink

[cobalt pewter]

with how ammo is designed in terraria and how cal doesn't really change it, cal has far more than enough ammos with godslayer

marksman rounds are funny

[golden sonnet]

Old duke also doesn't drop any crafting materials, meaning he would need to drop ammo directly, or add another crafting material, but I guess you could just make it purchasable from npc.

[fervent orbit]

mf its called godslayer

wat else do we want to call it

[cobalt pewter]

what

I meant progression wise

[swift wharf]

poison bullet in post ml
poison bullet in prehm

[cobalt pewter]

ammo stops at godslayer slug

right....?

[swift wharf]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

please don't own me

[fervent orbit]

yea

[swift wharf]

THANKFULLY

[hollow ridge]

Doesn't mean it's the best

[swift wharf]

or maybe we should add a jaron bullet

yeah

[fervent orbit]

yes

[swift wharf]

bloodflare bullets are good for healing

[cobalt pewter]

chicken nuggies

[fervent orbit]

me when i use holy fire on cve

[hollow ridge]

(It isn't some times)

[wide river]

I don't really think we need higher tiers of ammo
Accessory upgrades mostly stop at post-DoG, so why should ammo go further?

[hollow ridge]

Not sure how it'd be done

[golden sonnet]

The devs already rejected any post yharon ammo

[swift wharf]

remove marksman rounds and i will allow more post ml ammo

[hollow ridge]

Just play with that mod?

@random talon

[unreal saffron]

Ah ok mb

[wide river]

Do you really hate them that much?

[swift wharf]

yes

they're horrible

[random talon]

I have found no such mod that puts the Cal mod extras in the game

[swift wharf]

isn't music stuff a don't

[golden sonnet]

Old duke isn't post yharon, so it isn't directly related to your suggestion, was just replying to what someone else said.

I disagree with it, but your suggestion technically has not been rejected before

[small timber]

are you even sure calamity developers own the right to use cal mod extra songs?

[wide river]

There's one that adds the Interludes, but I don't think there's one that adds those specific songs

[random talon]

Oh no I was right about my suggestion being trash

[swift wharf]

lma

[wide river]

It's not trash, don't put yourself down

[hollow ridge]

What mod was BoTM put on?

[small timber]

or are you by any chance referring to "Vanilla Calamity Mod Music"

[hollow ridge]

Oh

Lost themes

Best mod

[small timber]

oh the DM Dokuro one extras, yeah those are not used and chances are they will not have the right to use it

[swift wharf]

it talks about dokuro songs but the same logic applies

[golden sonnet]

Isnt curse of the dungeon already in "Calamity Extra Music"?

Along with all of turquoise/ennway themes

[swift wharf]

is that the turqoise song

[small timber]

oh no curse of the dungeon is ENWAY

[swift wharf]

it is

[hybrid steeple]

yeah thats the cem song

[swift wharf]

just use the mod lamo

[small timber]

yeah that one is a straight no, ENWAY left cal dev after a dispute or something and will definitely not allow cal dev to use their song

[hollow shell]

that is not even a Dokuro or HPU track

Extra was never official or even tangentially official

[random talon]

I see

[swift wharf]

300mb music mod

🫃

[golden sonnet]

You can just use calamity extra music tho, so no worries

[wide river]

Simply put every single song even remotely related to Calamity in the music mod
1.2gigabyte music mod
(this is a joke)

[random talon]

back to the suggestion drawing board

[fervent orbit]

@unreal saffron WATER DEBUFF WATER DEBUFF ROUND

[random talon]

YEAAAAAAAA

[glass arch]

holy shit debuffs

[golden sonnet]

Real shit

[glass arch]

and not a fire one too!

[small timber]

@unreal saffron I think the suggestion still haven't address that why do we need an ammo upgrade at that point
because as you listed yourself ammo upgrades are already pretty stacked at post-ML, especially at Old Duke tier where before you have elysian arrow/holy fire bullet and exactly 1 boss before you have bloodflare, exactly 1 boss after you have godslayer/vanquisher

the suggestion stated a lot of "how" it can be implemented as an ammo upgrade but not really "why" do we need one

[fervent orbit]

reason: others had upgrades

[golden sonnet]

Give it a water debuff, make that the reason

[small timber]

make it apply wet and nothing else

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

Slime gun looking mf

[fervent orbit]

i will have your family for dinner

[small timber]

ok fine, poisoned instead

fit the theme

[unreal saffron]

Im back

Is depth crush water related?

I said that in the thing

[glass arch]

ye depth crush is a water debuff

[small timber]

depth crush is also useless late game, you need a new water debuff

its damage get reduced by defense aka it deal 0 damage when enemy start to have above certain amount of defense

[unreal saffron]

My reasoning is that it adds diversity and fixes the main issue with using GSS for certain bosses. This new ammo would not have piercing, instead a DoT (Damage over Time) effect, helping with Dps without having to need to give certain bosses damage caps for the ammo.

[small timber]

why do we need this diversity, is holy fire bullet/elysian arrow + bloodflare arrows/bullets + if you count extreme case when mortar rounds, and then later GSS/vanquisher arrow not enough diversity?

and you can still use other previous tier ammo, I heard verium bullet in many case is still viable, luminite arrow is still a thing and luminite bullet is still very effective for DoG, those are not considered among ammo diversity?

what is the main issue with using GSS for certain boss? how is your sulphuric bullet will fix said issue, or better than holy fire bullet at single target?

how is debuff supposed to be the fix for that especially right after they nerfed debuffs?

and also from old duke drop, is its other items not enough of an additional options that you need to add a new ammo among its drop pools? iirc old duke already 7 weapons and 2 accessory and that is not counting drops from Acid Rain Tier 3

[glass arch]

you use gss for 3 bosses currently

[small timber]

old duke ammo will make it 4 bosses

1 of which is immune to all debuff, which coincidentally is the next boss you fight

[glass arch]

why would old duke ammo make you use gss on dog

[unreal saffron]

Just wanted to clarify this again

[small timber]

then you should expect people to criticize yes
if people think it is not very good people will criticize, as simple as that

[unreal saffron]

Also, DoG and Od are same progression tier, like calamitas and plantera. I mentioned the Gss piece as thanatos gets railed by them.

[unreal saffron]

Nah i get it and accept the criticism. Im just saying i am throwing things and hope they stick. Im kinda trying to make them stick rn, but if they bounce off idc that much

[small timber]

are you sure that is the case? I havent heard people say something about using post-DoG weapon on OD

[small timber]

and in this case GSS is already an ammo that works, so Old Duke/Acid Rain Tier 3/Sulphuric Ammo will just be worse since it is supposed to deal with single target and no pierce

[swift wharf]

they arent?

od is post polter pre dog

and od doesnt unlock anything

[small timber]

and GSS IS a good ammo against Yharon, because it at the very least still have a double hit property to deal extra damage, it is not just piercing

[swift wharf]

oh godslayer slus not great sand shark

[swift wharf]

or using any od weapon on yharon+

[neat linden]

me when abbreviations have different meanings

[swift wharf]

actually post dog weapons on od is common

[small timber]

while for exo needless to say GSS is quite strong against exo, and still very effective on scal because piercing works for hearts (pierce sepulcher) and also seekers

[swift wharf]

because people find it quite difficulty to beat

but that is a completely different thing

[drowsy plank]

18th suggestion to add post-ML ammos and we still dont have any pre-HM poison ammos to pair with rusty medallion

[neat linden]

that's the same thing as using post golem things on aureus as a random example

[small timber]

poison who

[neat linden]

or post ML things on deus

[swift wharf]

don't worry cogni

soon enough

there will be the 20th

and they will add more post ml ammos

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

because thats how frequently asked suggestions work

: )

[neat linden]

all this suggesting and we still have only 2 water and 2 electricity debuffs

[small timber]

I know for certain at some random time there will be random new donor ammo crafted from armored shell from storm weaver

because apparently storm weaver just have a lot of donor item unlock

[swift wharf]

GOD

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean seadragon water debuff sugg passed so maybe in 2030 we'll get the third water debuff

[neat linden]

donors like sentinels for some reason

[drowsy plank]

better sentinels than DoG AGAIN

[neat linden]

by then we'll have 9 new fire debuffs

and yay one more water debuff

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

I LOVE FIRE DEBUFFS I LOVE FIRE DEBUFFS I LOVE FIRE DEBUFFS

[drowsy plank]

super holy fire inflicted by providence 2

[small timber]

seadragon should just apply wet

[swift wharf]

seadragon should apply wet and the rockets electrified for 1 second

synergié 🍷

[unreal saffron]

You guys say dog and od arent on the same progression tier when you can literally fight the sentinels, DoG and yharon all before guardians and prov. Progression isn’t based on order, its based on difficulty and the strength level of the player. Dog is considered post polter, and so is od

[neat linden]

not electrified

new electricity based debuff

[swift wharf]

godslayer surge

[neat linden]

sotrue

[small timber]

progression isn't based on order, but balancing is

in fact they recently explicitly make it so that frost/pumpkin moons are considered post-Golem for the sake of balancing (and told Boss Checklist to update for it)

[neat linden]

doesn't make sense for seadragon but sootrue

[small timber]

you can play however you want but from the balancing side they will balance item based on a designated progression order

[swift wharf]

this is the first time I see someone saying that od is the same tier as dog

[small timber]

and suggestion tend to get treated as the "balancing side" of things since you are adding a new item that will require balancing from the testers

[neat linden]

as they should be

[undone cedar]

DoG is just such a big change that like

[swift wharf]

what if we pretend that od isnt real

[undone cedar]

OD cant compare

OD is NO tier.

It doesnt exist

[neat linden]

OD is a very random boss

[swift wharf]

whats OD

[unreal saffron]

Old duke

[neat linden]

I really liked when it was fightable pre boss even though you stood no chance

[swift wharf]

who

[drowsy plank]

overdose

[undone cedar]

[golden sonnet]

I like how yharon was made fun of for being a fishron knockoff, so they went and made an actual fishron knockoff

[swift wharf]

it's a way to put it

(it's true)

[neat linden]

[drowsy plank]

yharon was a betsy knockoff you gotta be accurate

that's why he had the speeeeeens

[neat linden]

yharon was fishron + betsy but strong or something

[drowsy plank]

calamity 0.1 lore; yharon is son of fishron and betsy

[golden sonnet]

No, old yharon was kinda just fishron, he shoots homing circles that spawn a tornado when it hits you, the spin and summon fire was fishron spin and summon bubbles, etc

[swift wharf]

od should be reworked into a completely different boss

on god

[golden sonnet]

Idk what you mean by betsy, didn't really have any of her attacks

[swift wharf]

at 90% health od explodes and reveals the stickbug creature

[drowsy plank]

old duke reworked into even older duke

he just flops around on the ground bc he is a fish and cannot breathe air

[unreal saffron]

Here is my reasoning. Im past the ammo btw i just wanna explain this. If you try to fight od past DoG, it seems easy due to how broken you are immediately after killing DoG. But they specifically made it to where you can only fight him after Polter, the boss considered before DoG progression wise. Keep in mind post dog unlocks spirit essence and all things related to it. And if od is supposed to be post DoG, the lore implications are fucked due to an old fish being stronger than a cosmic god slaying worm hailing from the Distortion. Cei has said ingame strength=lore strength

It only makes sense if he is on tier, meant to be fought alongside DoG, like Cal And Plant

[swift wharf]

od drops are literally balanced to be useed against dog

[drowsy plank]

wait what are you even talking about

[swift wharf]

while dog drops are stronger than what you're supposed to use on od

[drowsy plank]

holy fire and bloodflare ammos both exist

[swift wharf]

od being the same tier as dog

[small timber]

that is assuming OD is harder than DoG

at which point difficulty is subjective

Rev OD you can just dash away and ignore the predictive dash completely, because it cant catch up

[drowsy plank]

im still trying to figure out how this is even relevant to his ammo sugg, man is literally just ignoring all the post-ML ammos to ask for what is basically almost an SiS

[small timber]

I think people complain OD as harder more often or not are associated with its summoning condition of either beating an entire event or to critter catch (which a lot of people don't want to bother)

meanwhile DoG you essentially have "infinite free tries"

[drowsy plank]

trueeeee

plus he is lame and not progression so why bother

[small timber]

OD by itself is like not hard, it is just not as straight forward as DoG

[unreal saffron]

So is polterghast and bloodflare gear. This is literally THE pre DoG upgrade right before the fight. Od is unlocked alongside this gear as well

[wide river]

Has anyone mentioned that there aren't 5 layers of the abyss

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[unreal saffron]

Oops

[drowsy plank]

still what are you talking about no endgame ammos

[small timber]

I thought the 1st layer is referring to "pre-abyss" layer now

[unreal saffron]

Gtg

[small timber]

but yeah I havent keep track of the new abyss rework

[drowsy plank]

lumi, holy fire, bloodfire, and godslayer are all equally viable even endgame

lol lmao

[unreal saffron]

Also we past that

[drowsy plank]

well that is the sugg so like

i dunno why yall discussing this part anyway

[small timber]

but yeah tldr is balance-wise OD is absolutely treated as post-Polter pre-DoG, hence why with post-DoG gear you destroy OD but OD gear don't destroy DoG

whether or not you agree with it in your playthrough is a different question, but that is just how it is currently balanced

[swift wharf]

if od was the same tier, od weapons would be good against yharon

ya numpt

[neat linden]

can we also mention that
fetid emesis has an upgrade right post DoG

[half imp]

paprus scarab has an upgrade right when you get it

tiers are wacky sometimes

[neat linden]

that's a vanilla item --> calamity item upgrade, not calamity item --> calamity item

[swift wharf]

i love instant upgrades

[golden sonnet]

I mean, Hermes boots also have an upgrade at the same tier in vanilla, and then that upgrade and has an upgrade at the same tier and then that............ You get the idea, it isn't that abnormal

[swift wharf]

my favourite is ankh shield

i mean it takes effort to get all boots

[neat linden]

vanilla has a lot of that
calamity less so

[golden sonnet]

True

[swift wharf]

but some times you get the same items at the same times

[neat linden]

although i guess thanks to HM rework excalibur is kinda that

[swift wharf]

that's also one

by the time you get ankh charm, you can craft ankh shield

[neat linden]

there really isn't a way to fix the excalibur issue i can think of

yeah no i'm clueless

[golden sonnet]

What excal issue?

[neat linden]

excalibur being instantly upgraded

true excalibur uses chloro bars

these are very much post 3 mechs

even if true excal was post plant there is this tiny small minor insignificant issue

of terra blade existing

[random talon]

terra blade is awesome

especially in 1.4.4

[neat linden]

so as far as i'm aware

[distant gyro]

clearly add ashes of cal

[neat linden]

hm

[distant gyro]

and then it becomes a 1 boss hop twice consecutively

[neat linden]

yes

[golden sonnet]

That's the same as readding broken sword

[neat linden]

that's a very good solution

[drowsy plank]

fetid emesis is fine because the upgrade is post-DoG

we have items and weapons that insta upgrade so frankly this is one of the lesser offenders

[neat linden]

i'm trying to think of more instant upgrades uhh

[golden sonnet]

I think it was mentioned to disprove OD being on tier with DoG, which was already thoroughly disproven

[drowsy plank]

lol true

if you count +1 tiers being insta i mean

[neat linden]

yeah that too

[swift wharf]

80% of all items

[neat linden]

not necessarily insta especially if the +1 tier is after a fairly significant boss

like uh everything that happens after DoG

[drowsy plank]

lol

[fervent orbit]

cog is cooking nice and good

[drowsy plank]

this one is eh

just a weird thing i noticed

[wide river]

I think it's good
Gets another random old RIV out of DoG's drop table, and continues the upgrade line

[drowsy plank]

yeah plus it makes it more of a through line since cultist/moonlord -> provi -> dog -> yharon

rather than cosmic discharge just kind of

falling out of the line

[half sage]

Wasn’t discharge going to get a rework at some point? Was that cancelled or just got stuck in dev hell

[wide river]

The only issue I see is adding another craft to cosmilite

When there's like a hundred

Although, it could just be a craft with the essences, rather than involving cosmilite

[drowsy plank]

that was the idea, yes, make it an endothermic craft

[drowsy plank]

who fuckin knows, sounds like a pre-devcident thing so im gonna make the sugg anyway. worse case scenario, they're reminded of the rework and reject my sugg lmao

[hollow ridge]

"The xerocidilian power is coursing through the enhances foes of the lethal battle"

[blazing kettle]

make everything look like future boss

[hollow ridge]

Therefore they look different

[small timber]

seem largely unnecessary for sprite work, at that point just throw a shader to make them look different

[blazing kettle]

future bosses....

[eternal escarp]

it would make more sense is not a reason

[small timber]

if "make them look different" is really the thing you ultimately want to achieve

[eternal escarp]

also it woild not make more sense when boss rush doesnt make sny sense to begin with

@winter anchor

need better reasoning

[swift wharf]

remove all color from the sprites and give them a red filter

😈

[hollow shell]

palpiting vein

[eternal escarp]

what does that even mean anyway

[distant gyro]

constant demonshade filter

[wide river]

I don't even think the suggestion knows

[drowsy plank]

"it would be cool" suggs be like

[swift wharf]

shadowspec dye every boss

[drowsy plank]

nah nah

shadow dye every boss

cant see shit now

[wide river]

grim dye every boss and watch as all the graphics break

[fervent orbit]

boss rush no hit shadow curse on diamond gemspark walls with shadow paint

[drowsy plank]

dye with dust 😭

[wide river]

Someone'd do it

[crude geode]

Dust moment

[hollow idol]

(not grim dye, but things seemed fine when I applied midnight rainbow dye to all npcs

[drowsy plank]

amazing

[undone cedar]

This would be awesome to be in boss rush

palpiting veinln…

[wide river]

Oh yeah, before it just goes into voting, should the most recent suggestion be exclaimed?

[glass arch]

i dont think it breaks any rules, may be wrong tho

[wide river]

Earlier, Blast mentioned it had little reasoning

[drowsy plank]

"it would be cool" reasoning

also arguably breadth of work if you wanted to make them look good and not just slap... "pulsating vein" filters on them whatever the hell that means

[river lily]

Question before i go on to make my suggestion:
Is a Cnidrion resprite or anything similar planned, and is asking for a specific enemy to be tweaked (Not a resprite) against the rules?
I wanted to suggest making Cnidrion smaller, it's more of a personal gripe but i feel like it's wayyy too large and intimidating for something so. yk. its cnidrion

[drowsy plank]

cnidrion rework is still planned just not what iban was doing basically

[kindred skiff]

Idk but sounds like a very situational suggestion

You shouldn’t suggest something like that based on your personal preference

[river lily]

Ah i see

makes sense

[hollow shell]

iunno it could have some merit to it
but, does seem subjective

[buoyant idol]

Is it just me or should Enhanced Nano Rounds have no merit for existing? They instantly upgrade out of Nano Bullets just to replace the bounce with dust on kill.

[golden sonnet]

I did not know that existed, I want it gone.

[wide river]

I'm pretty sure they existed before Nano Bullets got a rework

[buoyant idol]

True, but since that happened, should I suggest their removal?

[wide river]

If the wiki is correct, it was introduced back in 2017

[wide river]

Sure, go ahead

[hollow shell]

Oh damn I didn't even know that

[wide river]

It's essentially Chlorophyte Bullet's homing but only if the bullet hits a wall

[buoyant idol]

Ngl that's just chlorophyte but cooler

[cobalt pewter]

chlorophyte but shittier in vanilla actually

granted it's cheaper

but economy doesn't fuckin work in Terraria

Nano Bullets do not have active tracking

it only registers the targeted enemy's current location after a bounce

it'll not continuously track said enemy after bouncing

[hollow shell]

Indeed but it's still cool

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[buoyant idol]

True, but have you tried a P90 + Nano Bullets?

[cobalt pewter]

it's just the gameplay boils down to shooting the floor and hope whatever you're fighting isn't fast enough unless you have bullet hoses

[buoyant idol]

Dungeons are much cooler with it though

It works much better around corners too

[cobalt pewter]

arguably chlorophyte arrows are worse with this mechanic considering (I think) it's still affected by gravity after a bounce

[buoyant idol]

True, chloro arrows aren't too good

[cobalt pewter]

I think it'd be interesting if Cal makes a slight edge for nano bullets by increasing shot velocity after bounce somehow

and yeah remove enhanced nano round

[buoyant idol]

It'd be more interesting to make them deal more damage after a bounce to incentivize unique gameplay

[cobalt pewter]

if you consider shooting to the floor as "unique gameplay", then uhhh I have bad news

but either way increasing shot velocity should be a minimum to me since it makes using it as intended more reliable

[buoyant idol]

Fair point, Bone Lees dodge them often

[wide river]

It's at least more unique than "Here let's invalidate aiming"

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, chloro just makes pretty visual and promptly ruins gameplay

[cobalt pewter]

well obviously if you use chloro as comparison

in isolation shooting to the floor is just

well I guess the entire Terraria is not too interesting gameplay wise

so it's probably good

[lavish condor]

that one draedon weapon makes you shoot to the floor right?

matter modulator

[cobalt pewter]

I think???

I don't remember

[wide river]

Yeah, Matter Modulator has a similar effect to Nano Bullets

[buoyant idol]

On the topic of useless items, does anybody use Amidias' Pendent?

[crude geode]

the slow?

[buoyant idol]

Fair point, it does slow enemies down

[drowsy plank]

no one uses giant clam accessories they're both ass

i think there were plans to sort of conglomerate most of the shitty desert accessories but it was pre-devcident so it never went anywhere

[wide river]

There's a second??

[crude geode]

one that rains down projectiles

pretty sure

[wide river]

That's the pendant, what's the second one?

[drowsy plank]

amidias's pendant is the one that rains projectiles actually, giant pearl is the one with the aura that slows

[crude geode]

riiiight

got them confused

[drowsy plank]

and the third bad desert accessories is amidias' spark because its good for exactly like. preBoss blood moon and then never again

but it is from everyone's favorite enemy

cnidndcnirdnirdoconnn

[crude geode]

corn

we need a texture pack that turns cnidrion into corn

[wide river]

The sparks do melee damage for some reason

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

cuz they're melee range

[wide river]

clearly

[drowsy plank]

hm

considering the context of when i last heard about said reworks i wonder if this is worth finally posting;

Giant Pearl, Amidias’ Pendant, and Amidias’ Spark have such mediocre effects that all three could be merged into a single accessory and it would only be a bit viable pre-Boss. Doing this would not only cut down on item bloat, but would actually give people a reason to try and obtain whichever one of these items survives and gets the effects of the other two.```

[frosty trellis]

Terraria melee bias clearly

[crude geode]

yeah sounds fine

[buoyant idol]

Definitely, this would solve a ton

[golden sonnet]

yes, kill all the items

[buoyant idol]

Harpy ring could be killed

[frosty trellis]

My angel treads flight time

Nyo

[wide river]

They're all pretty similar in theming too: Two of them being named after Amidias, and the third being from an inhabitant of Ilmeris' ruins, where Amidias lived

[small timber]

chlorophyte arrow is insane on some weapon, notably those that have tendency to miss alot

eg: daedalus stormbow

[buoyant idol]

True, using that in one area and letting something go inside would be mayhem

[swift wharf]

merge them and make them drop from amidias when he died

s

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[glass arch]

based

[buoyant idol]

Sea Horse man murder

[drowsy plank]

me crafting 8000 nasty chollas for a single mediocre post-Scourge accessory

[buoyant idol]

Boulders

[glass arch]

yoo wait just give tracers hover

probably a bad idea

[lavish condor]

Running on air would be sick theming but I feel like that would make them too all encompassing

[wide river]

That was discussed at some point

[glass arch]

but hey thats what this channel is for

[wide river]

I think

[drowsy plank]

we dont give wings horizontal boost because of wings like empress

but yeah hover would be cool

[small timber]

there is a very simple reason there is none of them: because they are brokenly powerful

hover less so, boost is stupid

[lavish condor]

could change the sugg to only cover hover effects

[small timber]

even hover should be extremely good if it have extended flight time like many wings do, because you can use it for very precise dodging for things like providence, DOG or even Scal

[glass arch]

not really, their whole shtick is horizontal speed for less flight time and usually flight time is reduced when using hover while gaining a beeg horizontal speed boost

[small timber]

but yeah I will rather the ability is given to the rumored " godslayer wing™️ "

totally coming one day

[glass arch]

i have seen a solid 2 unique sprite submissions for it on calart

both were denied

[wide river]

It will come once someone makes a satisfactory sprite

[buoyant idol]

I'd say it's coming in just 1 to 3 business days™

[crude geode]

as if godslayer could be MORE op than silva

[small timber]

soon™️

[buoyant idol]

Bro just don't give any sprites for it, make the player move unflinchingly through the air

[wide river]

I'd take my hand at spriting it, but I have literally no art experience

[glass arch]

make it like that one dev wing that just makes your eye glow

i dont remember whos that is, i think its yoraizors

[drowsy plank]

remember when they requested sprites for it, got about a dozen, and rejected them all? good times...

[wide river]

Yoraizor's Spell

[buoyant idol]

Agreed, but no animations, no falling, just unflinchingly staring foward

[crude geode]

god

[lavish condor]

changed the sugg to not include boost effects

[buoyant idol]

Kill Yharon using just the power of angry looks

[drowsy plank]

i even tried making one and then never went to the calart server again after everyone was an asshole when i tried to get feedback on my submission

incredible stuff

[glass arch]

stares to death

[wide river]

Defeat Supreme Calamitas by JoJo staring at them

[crude geode]

I like the new quality of sprites but also sometimes the fact that sprites are just. never implemented is very fun.

[buoyant idol]

Idea: Godslayer something gives you eye lasers as the special ability

[wide river]

That seems fun

[swift wharf]

me waiting for godslayer jetpack since 2018

[small timber]

so basically the same here for new posters but for suggestion

[drowsy plank]

lol

[glass arch]

unblinkingly shoots scal to death with a massive sniper rifle

[crude geode]

sounds like it

[buoyant idol]

Not even just breaking the shield, just shoot her

Enchanting is too expensive anyways

[drowsy plank]

hey at least suggs are usually against the rules and dont require a lot of work
i was posting it in the channel specifically made for feedback, not even the submission channel and it was incredibly vitriolic

very fun times

[swift wharf]

there's probably 20 godslayer wings sprites just use a placeholder 😭

[wide river]

Reminds me of when I tried to help someone with a bug report earlier and they straight-up left the Discord server

[drowsy plank]

man you should've seen some of the old ones

[swift wharf]

LMAO

[drowsy plank]

real

[crude geode]

the entire mod is a placeholder why are we so against placeholder sprites

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[crude geode]

insert blood orbs and potion shops

[drowsy plank]

this one is simply awful

[swift wharf]

what the FUCK

[buoyant idol]

Is it bad that I mildly enjoy it?

[swift wharf]

why are the standards so high

[wide river]

That looks so good what the heck

[drowsy plank]

this was like the third best from that batch of submissions too like

i dont fucking get it man

[swift wharf]

it's because cal standards are higher than cal quality

[drowsy plank]

LMFAO

[swift wharf]

it's true

[crude geode]

100%

[swift wharf]

it's like an hyperbolic function

[crude geode]

insert iban scrapping like 10 sprites

[buoyant idol]

Just add it in without any sprites or animations

[swift wharf]

you increase standards
the quality increases
you do it more
the quality doesn't increase as much
you repeat until it stagnates

[crude geode]

yepyep

yharon and levi's resprites have been a detriment to the cal standards

[swift wharf]

i don't remember how levi looks like

[crude geode]

understandable

[swift wharf]

i remember the first two sprites not the new one

[grim tusk]

Honestly maybe the maker of these can resubmitted or smth

Out of all the GS Wings or boosters these have been the best ones

[swift wharf]

i remember now

[glass arch]

the new one (with anahita in there too because i stole it from the wiki)

[buoyant idol]

Idea: Sneakily add in the wings without telling the rest of the team

[swift wharf]

tbf that thing took years to make iirc

[grim tusk]

Iban sprite

[grim tusk]

They will notice

[buoyant idol]

💀

[crude geode]

as is yharon's

which is. kind of a problem.

[wide river]

I remember Levi's old sprite was him holding an orb of some kind

[glass arch]

bit hard to... not notice a new pair of wings even though its post dog which is so god damn many items

[drowsy plank]

huh
i mean i guess i could ping the guy
the wings left enough of an impression on me for me to remember so id say that has to count for something

[swift wharf]

yharon will be finished when someone makes their own sprite

[grim tusk]

@unreal saffron abyss only has 4 layers, also reminder that holy fire bullets exist

[swift wharf]

pull a nitro

[glass arch]

i think that was her stomach? not sure

[wide river]

Is Levi a she? huh

[grim tusk]

And heart has been working on it

[glass arch]

ye

[swift wharf]

person was doing provi sprite and took too long
nitro made their own provi and it's the one we have

just make a new one zzzzzz

[wide river]

It's not that simple

[swift wharf]

it's that shrimple

it's not easy

that's the difference

[crude geode]

true

[grim tusk]

Animations hard

[swift wharf]

animate with draw code

[wide river]

Sprites for a large boss such as Yharon are difficult to make

[drowsy plank]

@charred mortar well gonna suggest it to them with the context bc they're in here anyway lol

hi void pls read this msg thx

[swift wharf]

upscaling 🥹

[crude geode]

now that iban's gone maybe we can upscale

[grim tusk]

Perhaps polish em a bit

[swift wharf]

SO TRUE

[grim tusk]

Similar to how people have done with resubmitions

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

upscale the fucking
yharon summon

[wide river]

Shade, is this suggestion exclaim-worthy
#suggestions-posting message

[grim tusk]

Im thinking about it

[wide river]

Alright, no rush

[grim tusk]

The only reasoning is “its weird that bosses have post-ML stats, so maybe a change to signify it?”

Although it could and would be a lot of work

Imagine reanimating levi (or having to resprite all the bosses that were sprited by former devs that retracted stuff)

[wide river]

It's essentially asking for a resprite of every boss, so I think it'd be quite a lot of work

[grim tusk]

Exclam

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps just adding some colored armor pieces to a couple of bosses is all that's needed

[swift wharf]

why

it's boss rush

[grim tusk]

Same thing

[swift wharf]

:sku

[lavish condor]

even adding colored armor pieces would be hard on big bosses like Levi or Provi

[swift wharf]

remove boss r

[drowsy plank]

i imagined it was something like that dumb white shader future bosses had lmao

[grim tusk]

SO TRU

[wide river]

Exactly, it would be quite an arduous task

[buoyant idol]

Not all bosses need it, just some weaker ones

[swift wharf]

GOD

[buoyant idol]

But true, it'd be huge amounts of work

[swift wharf]

i mean a shader would work but like

[grim tusk]

Theres already one on the BG

[crude geode]

boss rush in itself is such a huge amount of work

[swift wharf]

🥴

[grim tusk]

Also too many shaders = bad pc shits itself

[swift wharf]

like literally just remove boss rush

someone will make a mod that adds it back

[wide river]

That could happen
But something of such a magnitude would have to come from the devs, not the suggestions channels

[crude geode]

it really would be simpler if the devs didn't have to worry about boss rush,,,,

[swift wharf]

it's so shrimple

[grim tusk]

Thats what we do rn

[buoyant idol]

CDMusic would have some bad news if BR is removed

[crude geode]

true lmao

[hybrid steeple]

yeah

[grim tusk]

We pretend it doesnt exist

[glass arch]

if you have a shit enough pc even no shaders can crash

[swift wharf]

then why is my scarlet devil not doing 50 billion dps......

[hybrid steeple]

just ignore boss rush until the games complete

[grim tusk]

Cuz I balanced it a while back

Spam is better

Stealth is worse

[swift wharf]

but why balance the endgame item

zzzz

[wide river]

Removing Boss Rush would rid the last shred of Malice AI from the code, but the Rock and Boss Rush themes would be gone

[crude geode]

people make youtube videos and devs got angy

[swift wharf]

so true

[grim tusk]

People being “nerf scarlet devil” 24/7 in several channels

So i buffed it

And rebalanced it

[swift wharf]

it's funny because dev items are disproportional

[grim tusk]

Make an aspect stronger, another weaker

[grim tusk]

When most havent been touched since ages 💀

[swift wharf]

like 90% of them

[cobalt pewter]

hover in cal SUCKS

[grim tusk]

The ones that have been balanced the most are the rogue ones