suggestions-discussion

[wide river]

We aren't supposed to make suggestions regarding 1.4.4 content until Calamity and tModLoader are compatible with it, and it's also asking for a reversion of a change

[worn pike]

Aish, sorry I’ll del it.

[wide river]

I think you might be able to get away with requesting their return once tModLoader and Cal are ported, but for right now it's a no-no

[worn pike]

Yeah I’ll just save it in my notes

[grim tusk]

@unreal saffron since AeW is a secret boss perhaps change your reasoning to focusing more on consistency with other bosses

[blazing kettle]

wasnt it retired as a boss?

[hollow shell]

AEW isn't even a boss anymore afaik

They were correct in comparing it to Giant Clam and GSS

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's no longer a boss considering boss checklist

[blazing kettle]

yeah it became a dungeon guardian like enemy

[grim tusk]

Its hidden on boss checklist til dead iirc

[drowsy plank]

i mean previously but im pretty sure i heard something about it being removed from boss checklist entirely

maybe im misremembering

AEW is truly the enemy ever

[grim tusk]

I just checked and yep

Gone from checklist

[drowsy plank]

ok cool so im not crazy lul

[grim tusk]

According to an old poll in dev

[distant gyro]

it is on the list of reqs

[grim tusk]

@unreal saffron consider that AeW is not a boss and is supposed to be like a DG for the abyss

[unreal saffron]

I described him as “the last and strongest enemy in the mod”. That good?

[grim tusk]

Your sugg is way better now

👍

[unreal saffron]

Ty

[wide river]

Why would someone need to kill AEW twice? The only unique drop is the Halibut Cannon

[distant gyro]

inconspicuous black box

[grim tusk]

So its just an insta 🛠️

[unreal saffron]

To have the halibut canon displayed as a trophy, the only way to show through blocks that he has been beaten

[distant gyro]

yes

[unreal saffron]

Nice

Justice for jared

[drowsy plank]

someone should probably mark this one too then;
#suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

true digging

[grave zinc]

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[drowsy plank]

ez

[gray nebula]

aew doing the back and forth shuffle on whether or not its a boss

[drowsy plank]

aew will be a in 5

[glass arch]

the bar for being a boss is so low its practically a tripping hazard in hell but jared out here playin limbo with the devil
(yes the low bar is wof lmao)

[drowsy plank]

twins on a stick

[glass arch]

true

mechdusa but sprime forgot to show up

[wide river]

At this point the criteria for being a boss is:
If an enemy has a defeat message
If an enemy has a loot table
And if an enemy has unique music

[distant gyro]

to be fair dark mage has a relic and a trophy

and i dont think anyone is saying dark mage is a boss

if they are then i am in denial

[unreal saffron]

Bruh I completely forgot about ooa

[prime karma]

like everyone else

[glass arch]

dark mage
i dont even know what that does

[distant gyro]

if there is a boss in ooa then betsy is the only one

[wide river]

They've got an unused treasure bag in the game files, maybe that's why

[golden sonnet]

Betsy also technically a boss while not really being seen as one

[unreal saffron]

Nah bro they are sub blood nautalis fr

[golden sonnet]

Like "the community" not scaling on her, and most people just skipping OOA

[gray nebula]

dark mage is an "event boss"

[glass arch]

no according to doze dark artist armor is the best pre ml armor by just barely
unless thats changed in updates since i heard

[wide river]

I consider Betsy to be a boss, as she's got a treasure bag, an achievement for defeating her, and also appears in the boss section in the bestiary

[gray nebula]

it's its own weird category but that's the common thread between other "minibosses" in events

[glass arch]

what

[drowsy plank]

dark artist is still really good on mage yes

[glass arch]

she has an achievement

[wide river]

Ye
The "Defeat all 7 waves of the Old One's Army" achievement

[glass arch]

zamn

[wide river]

Killing her is required to get that

[drowsy plank]

but it isn't an achievement for killing her, it's for beating the event

[wide river]

To beat the event, you need to kill her
But I see your point

[glass arch]

dont you get it on killing her

[wide river]

Ye, or at least very soon after

[drowsy plank]

ok you do get it upon killing her

but it isn't even themed after her

it's just "hero of etheria"

it doesn't mention her at all

[glass arch]

dont a bunch of bosses have completely unrelated items

like moon lord

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, Moon Lord is vanilla's endgame

[wide river]

It's just my opinion, but I do consider that achievement Betsy's kill achievement, even if it never describes it as such

[drowsy plank]

moon lord has the achievement "champion of terraria" which is literally a picture of his face

fair

[cobalt pewter]

it's like saying Shadowspec items are unrelated to scal and draedong

[glass arch]

im not talking about the crafts

im talking about the drops

[wide river]

"Hmmmm yes today I will go kill the moon lord and get myself some knives "

[distant gyro]

yeah

ml and wof have random shit

[drowsy plank]

they are

[distant gyro]

and half of plant

[unreal saffron]

Killed an eldritch being from space, got some throwable cutlery

[wide river]

Exactly, like
Why does plantera drop a gun
No one knows

[drowsy plank]

eh

[distant gyro]

parting legacy of the "it's the final boss"

[drowsy plank]

venus magnum is one of the ones that makes more sense

because

[cobalt pewter]

plantera is a better example yes

[drowsy plank]

venus fly trap

[distant gyro]

it makes more sense than grenade launcher that's for sure

[drowsy plank]

why does plant drop the axe

is a better question

[cobalt pewter]

reference

[unreal saffron]

Pantera

[glass arch]

reference to pantera i think

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[glass arch]

hell even the theme is a refrence iirc

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

[wide river]

Cenx likes the band Pantera, which sounds close to Plantera
The achievement name is also a reference to one of their albums

[unreal saffron]

Plantera music> any vanilla soundtrack other than underground

[drowsy plank]

plantera dropping grenade launcher lul

[glass arch]

nah bro corruption exists

[wide river]

The wiki states this in the trivia section

[drowsy plank]

yeah i saw

[wide river]

Just making sure

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I would say Plantera has a lot of random drops outside of the obvious reference that is The Axe

for a plant she sure seems to like dropping mechanical weapons

like venus magnum and grenade launcher

[golden sonnet]

Wdym, it's normal for plants to have grenade launchers

[cobalt pewter]

[wide river]

At least it's all vaguely plant themed

[drowsy plank]

it really is just
why is nades on plant

[wide river]

It's just the ranged and summoner stuff that seems out of place to me

[cobalt pewter]

what's vaguely plant themed with grnafe launcher 😭

[drowsy plank]

why did red take so long to introduce rockets anyway

nade launcher easily could've been on mechs lol

[cobalt pewter]

honestly pygmy staff seems alright

it's not strictly plant related

but you can just spitball by saying that she took that off pygmies

[distant gyro]

it is more like jungle themed

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[distant gyro]

than plant

and then + grenade launcher for the lols

[cobalt pewter]

same with wasp gun I feel

[swift wharf]

pollination

[cobalt pewter]

grenade launcher is funny

[drowsy plank]

nade launcher really is the only odd one out

[wide river]

I think it's also just a relic of the old Terraria, where the Pygmy Staff was required for a lot of stuff for summoners

[cobalt pewter]

leaf blower is technically a machine but it's plant related so lmao ig

[wide river]

Like, you needed it for at least like four things from the witch doctor

[real oracle]

I absolutely agree with giving the wyrm a relic

Although I'll have to tweak my "beautiful" relic structure to add it

[wide river]

I assume it'll get added whenever someone makes a sprite for it

[real oracle]

But it seems odd it doesn't have one and acid rain bosses do

[drowsy plank]

because it isnt a boss lol

[real oracle]

it even has its own soundtrack

yeah well

it's important enough

what counts as "boss", anyways?

[drowsy plank]

listed on boss page/checklist

[real oracle]

yeah well

mandatory for progression?

it has an hp bar, a summon method and it triggers adrenaline so clearly the game treats it as a boss

[wide river]

I wouldn't consider "Mandatory for progression" to qualify a boss

[real oracle]

yeah obviously

[drowsy plank]

a boss is what shows up in boss rush

id normally say if they dropped a treasure bag but. LC exists

[wide river]

True!

[real oracle]

xD well can't argue with that

[wide river]

The Old One's Army's minibosses have treasure bags too

[drowsy plank]

well

no

[real oracle]

although it would be strange to summon aew outside of abyss

[drowsy plank]

they're unobtainable

so they effectively dont exist

[wide river]

But they still have them

[drowsy plank]

not if they dont drop them lmao

[golden sonnet]

Cultist doesn't drop a bag, not a boss

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's why i said

shows up in boss rush

[real oracle]

then

all minibosses are not bosses

but they have a relix

[drowsy plank]

yes

[real oracle]

c

[drowsy plank]

they are minibosses

and thus have different conditions

[real oracle]

ok so is aew a miniboss?

[drowsy plank]

such as;
being on the miniboss page on the wiki

[wide river]

At the very least, Lunatic Cultist's bag technically exists

[drowsy plank]

nah aew is aew

[wide river]

Because it can be loaded into the game

[real oracle]

Still I think giving it a relic seems very fitting

[wide river]

It's a wyrm

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean it's already in dev plans so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

doesnt make it any less silly in my eyes lol

[real oracle]

so you don't agree

[drowsy plank]

fr we need a flag for "already planned for implementation" for sugg posting anyway

[wide river]

Apparently we just leave them until they reach voting then smite them

According to the people that were questioning why the "Rework Caustic Edge Line" suggestion needed to be flagged

[drowsy plank]

understandable

simply flag things already planned for implementation under the future content don't

[wide river]

True!

[bright crag]

It triggers adrenaline? That's probably an oversight

It used to be considered a boss

AEW is currently a miniboss, if I'm not mistaken

[wide river]

I can check if that's the case in about 2 hours

[half imp]

oh no they gonna remove adren from aew

[wide river]

If it isn't a boss, it shouldn't trigger adrenaline

Simple as that

[swift wharf]

^

[unreal saffron]

Id like the adren kept in. He is a boss in all aspects but classification. He has a theme, unique drops, unique spawn method, phases and an enraged mechanic

[swift wharf]

it's not even a miniboss

aew should be moved to the removed content categopry

[drowsy plank]

dungeon guardian adrenaline

i still like AEW but he truly is one of the enemies of all time

[wide river]

Exactly, if we leave adrenaline triggering on AEW, then we have no choice but to give it to Dungeon Guardian as well, since they're essentially equivalents

[half imp]

do it

adrenaline will do 1 damage on dungeon guardian still

[wide river]

Hmmmm yes let's give a mechanic to an enemy that cannot be killed that can't be spawned after skeletron
That totally won't cause problems

[drowsy plank]

i mean

it won't

it's just funny

[unreal saffron]

Boss criteria, imo, is as following: At least 1 unique drop, a music track, a specific way to spawn them, phases, adren and, if applicable, enrage mechanics. AeW fits all of these, DG does not. Dg is a mechanic to stop you from entering the dungeon, and was only given a drop after somebody killed him and asked red to add a drop

[drowsy plank]

boss criteria is showing up in boss rush

lol

[half imp]

giant clam:

actually like

boss criteria is whatever the devs mark as a boss

[unreal saffron]

Draedon and the mechs weren’t in the boss rush for months. They were still a boss during that time

[drowsy plank]

boss rush 👍

[wide river]

Just set up the eternal dungeon guardian cheese method
One player eternally outruns the Dungeon Guardian
The other players sit near enough to charge adrenaline
Summon a boss
Destroy them completely with various players using adrenaline

[drowsy plank]

yes but now they are and they always were planned to be

[wide river]

Although that's an out of the way cheese method

[drowsy plank]

multiplayer isnt real and you can do this with literally any boss if ur using hoiks to move a second player lmao

[half imp]

totally easier than just spawning a deerclops

[drowsy plank]

so true

not even you could just spawn EoC on the other side of the world while the second player fights the other boss lol

cause as long as he isnt damaged he's slow as fuck

[wide river]

There's a multiplayer button on the title screen

[drowsy plank]

lies

as you can see there is no multiplayer

[wide river]

Hmmm yes nothing is there

[unreal saffron]

AeW is not in BR due to him being the same tier of progression as BR. He is an equal challenge, maybe even harder. Boss rush will scale to the end of the game, and AeW might as well, so he wont be there. Also, BR boosts stats greatly for the bosses. A boosted AeW to end the boss rush is complete bs and the devs haven’t added him for that reason.

[half imp]

EoC doesn't despawn at night, only need one player for it

[wide river]

So, are you saying that AEW is or isn't a boss?

[unreal saffron]

Im saying that he is a boss in all aspects but name, so if he generates adrenaline, it makes sense and should not be removed. Bro is also going to get a relic so…

[swift wharf]

can I still make fun of it for being a cultist worm

[wide river]

Always

Until the behaviour changes

[drowsy plank]

oh true

[bright crag]

Unique drops (Halibut Cannon... and that's it)

The devs collectively agreed to make AEW a miniboss, and we have plans for it that I cannot share

[bright crag]

It's not getting a Relic...? This is merely a suggestion
And keep in mind, some minibosses have Relics

[bright crag]

He's not in BR because we simply didn't want him to be :p
And because we chose to make him a miniboss

BR doesn't boost stats for every boss

In fact, I'm pretty sure SCal is actually nerfed

[unreal saffron]

Ye she is mb

[unreal saffron]

Then what is this picture? Is this a suggestion list or to-do list?

[bright crag]

Lemme see

Hard to say, but likely a to-do list

But as I pointed out, even if we do add a Relic, it doesn't make AEW a boss

[unreal saffron]

Ik. Tbh with the scale of the fight, adren implementation would make sense. But i aint a dev so u guys do u 👍

[frosty trellis]

Her damage is nerfed like, slightly but her HP is about the same to prevent it from being 99% bh/sep

[grim tusk]

Like it used to be before

BR is still a meltfest but not as bad as it used to be

[dense ferry]

Speaking of which

Do you guys have any plans as to Endgame Balance? Because, well

I know it's absolute ass

And by plans I mean more on how you plan to approach it, because of course you guys want to balance it, eventually

[half imp]

if they do it's not gonna be something they do till after yharim at least

since the Shadowspec tier shift will break any balance anyway

[glass arch]

i mean its endgame

doesnt need to be perfectly balanced

[drowsy plank]

well it will be for boss rush and xeroc and whatever else comes after it, but at the same time that's so impossibly far in the future who cares lul

[frosty trellis]

(At least make the horribly bad dev weapons usable)

(Don't need to balance the tier but making some things like Azathoth and the weird mage dog book usable would be nice)

[stable kiln]

(the dog book is very good lol)

its damage is amazing its just pretty slow

i also used to think it sucks and then i used it for boss rush, and any boss that doesnt dash around constantly (or ravager, for some reason) got obliterated

[frosty trellis]

Isn't it like, 12 minute Terminus Providence or some shit though?

[wide river]

Are you referring to Apotheosis, by any chance?

[ripe owl]

It's the only DoG Shadowspec weapon as far as I'm aware

[glass arch]

its one of i think 2 shadowspec tomes so it would have to be that

[distant gyro]

erm there's 3

[glass arch]

damn i totally forgot eternity existed

[worldly basalt]

what was the second?

[glass arch]

the dance of light

[cobalt pewter]

yeah no

[swift wharf]

ah.

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel

[zenith hazel]

I've been summoned

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[zenith hazel]

@near topaz no meme suggestions, read pins
also don't suggest references for the sake of references

[near topaz]

Is the suggestion ok, if we just exclude the N and the mom joke

[swift wharf]

[near topaz]

Understandable

[swift wharf]

not the intended emoji, but works

[near topaz]

Works

[zenith hazel]

naw

[blazing kettle]

what was the sugg?

[wide river]

Something not appropriate to repeat

[blazing kettle]

oh

@brazen galleon please change or delete your suggestion, specific item suggestions are not allowed

[small timber]

@brazen galleon

[brazen galleon]

Oh, sorry!

[wide river]

I think it'd be fine without the recipe or name specified

[blazing kettle]

yeah

[wide river]

For example, just suggesting that Old Lord Oathsword gets an upgrade that boosts the movement

Because Old Lord Oathsword already has an upgrade line, the options are

1. Add a sidegrade for the sword
   or
2. Add a spiritual upgrade that doesn't require the sword to craft

[quiet kernel]

Besides the whole line isnt reworked yet

Just the first swords

[wide river]

Fortunately none of them are donor items so the devs have free reign with how the rest of the line gets reworked
If they get reworked, that is

[small timber]

how is oathsword iframe on later bosses "menial"

from my own use it works completely fine all the way to like ML, the only problem is the damage which is too low for enemies at that stage of the game

and for what the suggestion is suggesting, "sidegrade" do not make any sense because that will imply that you are sidegrading oathsword at the pre-HM tier (instead of what you are trying to achieve which is like, "upgraded" and then maybe a different line that give the same effect)

[brazen galleon]

Sorry, first time suggesting here

[small timber]

yeah just keep to "upgrade" is probably good enough

[wide river]

No worries, it's rare that a first timer does a perfect suggestion

[wide river]

Heck, even some people that have suggested for a while still don't make perfect suggestions

[small timber]

(though the entire oathsword line was supposed to be reworked into similar to the pre-HM oathsword which would had been the upgrade you needed, though the rework plan is currently on hold due to the dev developing on it leaving, but yeah it is a different topic)

[grim tusk]

Exclam as barely any reasoning

Also yea why add a sidegrade if the swordline is planned to be reworked to be more in par with the pre-hm one

[grim tusk]

Its on hold because no one has bothered to rework its upgrades yet

Most of the retracted stuff was art

As for code little was retracted unless said code was for one of the retracted concepts

[wide river]

Speaking of reworks, I had an suggestion idea requesting a rework of the Alpha Ray
Mainly because it's literally just its components in a single weapon with higher damage

[small timber]

Alpha Ray is also part of the Rework soon™️ team

in fact it was the main reason they didnt buffed it, because it was gonna get reworked (iirc)

[grave zinc]

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[heavy coral]

thanks guys

[median geyser]

I wanna post a suggestion to change or outright replace the squirrel staff. I hate how unlike every other starter weapon it’s worthless underground

But I have no clue how to rework/replace it and make a good suggestion

[small timber]

or you can just

craft another summon weapon as soon as possible?

it is in the starter bag, it is supposed to last you until you get your next weapon, not to be a viable weapon that will last you the entire early pre-HM

and on that squirrel staff have an additional benefit that it is a sentry straight away, which means you can just use it alongside the minion you craft instead of forced to replace it

(and I will take squirrel squire over some early summon with slow and shitty AI all day, becaues squirrel at least you can choose where it attacks)

[median geyser]

It’s just annoying that in a summoner only run I gotta find a summon before I can go underground

That or I basically can’t attack without some non summon weapons

It’s not really that bad but I like to start worlds by going directly into caves most the time, and a summoner only play through I either gotta take my time to get another summon above ground or move my summon every 2 seconds just to kill a skeleton

[small timber]

starter weapon gives you a bunch of other weapons so the "summoner only run" is already a self-imposed challenge but that aside:

I will just say that almost all "easy to get" summon weapon are intentionally designed to have shitty AI (eg: flinch staff) because of their inherent nature of requiring you to do nothing and basically very often infinite piercing (contact) at range, so for AI to be good you have to at least put some effort into it (eg: Flinx staff which has very good AI)

and 2nd thing is early summon weapon are intentionally designed to be bad damage-wise before you can get 1 minion slot to prevent a situation where your damage basically get "doubled" as soon as you get 1 slot, which have the downside of basically making you deal 50% of the damage you are supposed to deal at the start

which squirrel squire just don't have to deal with: it have an AI that can hit consistently (just not super high damage) but that will just be the case of any "easy to get" summon weapon, and since it is a sentry by which sentry slots come later it don't have to deal 50% damage only

so squirrel squire is still way better than other summon weapon they can put into the starter bag without just giving you something that makes you skip a lot of progression eg: flinx staff (which is really good)

[median geyser]

I guess my main problem then is at least a shitty ai early summon can hit things underground, squirrel squire can’t unless you are constantly moving it. I’m fine with it being shitty but when it flat out doesn’t work in most of the map I take issue

[small timber]

I dont understand how it is not usable underground?

it is pretty much just like other summon weapon, its damage is not good but that is intentional (because you can just combine it with any other summons you get)

I dont see how it is unusable when you can just, left click it at a location that can hit the enemy (obviously I am not supposed to see the skeletons there but that is what you usually have torch for)

[median geyser]

In most parts of caves it’s enclosed places with a low ceiling (especially Minecraft rails) so a lot of the time the acorn just hits the ceiling and misses. And on top of that you don’t have a lot of mana so you can’t just spam click to re place the staff too much or you become a sitting duck

I mostly just want a summon weapon that’s more reliable, but now that I’m talking about it I understand that if you got a more reliable summon it would add to the other weapons and that’s slightly un balanced

[small timber]

most of your summoner only early game will just look like this before you are strong enough to fight them head-on
squirrel throw horizontally when it is close enough to the enemy

before you ask about needing a hook yes in reality you can just take your copper broadsword or whatever out and stand there to knockback the enemy, but since you are summoner only run so

(or you get a slime staff with 40 gel and 6 wood then squirrel squirre just become an additional damage source that don't override your minion because it is a sentry)

[median geyser]

The squirrel squires close fire range is a little better than I remember it so maybe they buffed it recently so it seems better

[small timber]

have you tried it recently? they buffed it a while ago
like many patches ago

(I will post this just for further clarification, just with a copper broadsword it can just kill 2 skeletons without problem, which is more than enough for early game even if you don't want to hook onto ceiling to "cheese" mobs)

so yes this really is just a "summoner-only run" problem really, and you can just farm for slime staff with not much effort

[median geyser]

Not really, last I did a summoner play through was around when it was first ported to 1.4, but I used it lightly here and there above ground only since

[small timber]

the recipe is intentionally very simple for you to get early game

[median geyser]

I’ll admit yes this is a self brought on problem so it’s more of a want than a need

[small timber]

if anything I think the real buff summoner need is like, an item that "give you 1 minion slot if you have no bonus minion slot" that you can craft easily
because one of the current notable problem is that most summons just suck early game because they are balanced for you having 2 minion slots

[median geyser]

Alright, It’s alright and it’s not a problem if you don’t stick to 1 class only so I won’t suggest it

Plus summoner is (probably?) the hardest class anyways so having to get another summon isn’t that bad

[small timber]

not really, it just starts harder (but when you get whips and flinx staff you are good for like, the entire early half of Pre-HM); maybe early Hardmode is hard too because many AI at that tier is kind of shitty for the bosses you encounter

it probably is overpowered even because the current balance just disregard whips entirely

[median geyser]

True, I was talking more about how squishy summoner is

But yeah whip summoner is crazy

Insane that whips single handedly broke summoner balance in calamity

[swift wharf]

just use the other class weapons

[thin hill]

Was scared to ask this at first, but how should I go about doing a Rebalance/Rework/Remove Heart of the Elements suggestion?

[north oracle]

God knows it’s needed

[gritty cargo]

i dunno

[thin hill]

Probably isn't but I just had this idea a few days ago

[prime veldt]

Write

[thin hill]

Though I do have a question, do the developers have any plans with HotE?

[small timber]

there are like, a lot of the same suggestion being suggested before already

[thin hill]

oh okay

so I won't do it

[thin hill]

but what about this?

[small timber]

this is just two of them, 1 is pretty recent too (both approved suggestion)

[thin hill]

Ahh

I see, cool

[north oracle]

One with 250 stars, wow

[thin hill]

Deservingly, I feel

[north oracle]

Well yeah… well written and very needed

[ornate kestrel]

HotE is hot garbage right now

[thin hill]

Indeed is

[small timber]

@mortal rock suggestions are not allowed to be that specific, you should remove the recipe AND the damage/usetime part
unless you actually use the weapon in game you will have no idea how these numbers actually work in the game

and "lack of gimmick weapon" is not really a very good argument, a lot of gimmick weapon like art attack are available at (almost) random point of progression
and you have gimmick weapon like midas prime and coin gun at that stage so there is not exactly like none

and finally "weapon is weak" is not a good argument, weapon can always be buffed

[bright crag]

There are definitely ideas

[bright crag]

^

[small timber]

@smoky fjord no joke suggestion, even for april fools

(and the devs can come out with more interesting idea than ender dragon jpg for that)

[smoky fjord]

Understandable
Just thought ot would be funny

[drowsy plank]

it's never as funny as you think it is and it's just more work for the mods and that's why it's against the rules

[drowsy plank]

also very funny that two of my suggs passed

i mean if i had to choose which, these two might not have been my priority but. whatever lul wont complain

[ripe owl]

How dare you ping reply the poor Suggestions Bot 😭

[drowsy plank]

=)

bc im evil

[ripe owl]

Noooo 😭

[dense ferry]

Gaming tbh

[bright crag]

It has been getting major approval btw

7-0 votes

[dense ferry]

Yipee!

[ripe owl]

My eyes are going to get out of my skull because of your multiserver roles shenanigans

[small timber]

which one? eye?

[bright crag]

Yeah, Eye of Desolation

Do you wish to know how other votes are going?

[small timber]

nah no need, it is not gonna change anything anyway
the one that got approved will be approved

[glass arch]

god damnit the person's back from their timeout

[small timber]

last time was also them?

[glass arch]

yes

unfortunately rover aint on so i dont know who to ping

[sleek turret]

Mod Mail if you don't know who to ping

[small timber]

@zenith hazel some guy just came back from timeout and posted the same thing that got them timedout (in posting)

[stable kiln]

incredible

[small timber]

yeah seems like the same guy

[ripe owl]

Stupendous

[glass arch]

even if its added he aint gonna get to use the feature

[ripe owl]

Aren't NSFW mods against tML's Terms of Service?

[sleek turret]

It is

[ripe owl]

Yep

[bright crag]

@hollow shell Could you delete this? If you're there

[ripe owl]

This suggestion is basically "Make Calamity officially unavailable for tModLoader"

Can't mods do that?

[bright crag]

I'm not sure

[glass arch]

i think so

[bright crag]

I can't because taking mod action requires an autentification thingy I haven't done

@zenith hazel Can you delete this last suggestion?

[ripe owl]

This needs more than a deletion from what it seems

[small timber]

they got timedout once for that (already) so yeah
this is a 2nd time at min

[glass arch]

aint this a ban now

[cobalt pewter]

yeet

[bright crag]

Yeah, probably timeout or ban

[glass arch]

dogix had a similar thing happen
posted multiple copypastas n things
got timed out, did it again, got banned

[bright crag]

Though I'm not sure which
Can't find the exact procedure

[glass arch]

i remember leon saying that doing the thing that got you muted after you got done with a week+ long mute is a ban

[ripe owl]

Messages the Mod Mail

[zenith hazel]

alright I have arrived

whose knees do I have to chop off

[cobalt pewter]

arrival

[ripe owl]

Looks like you're late

[cobalt pewter]

[zenith hazel]

@sturdy vapor can you not be weird, I'm just gonna warn you for that + your weird message history

oh they already got timed out for that

1 week timeout then

[ripe owl]

They already were warned

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure Murasama’s point is that only one is supposed to exist

[drowsy plank]

[wide river]

The other players could also just go grab the Murasama from a lab in another world
Or just use Cheat Sheet and cheat enough in

[drowsy plank]

^
but also murasama isnt even that good just get another weapon dude

lmfao

[grave zinc]

@unreal saffron - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give AeW his own Relic.]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

That was quick

[cyan egret]

aew w

[drowsy plank]

i mean we talked about it for a while so im not surprised lol

[wide river]

There was some moderate confusion on my part, then. I thought it wasn't getting one

[drowsy plank]

i dont think even they know but it was on a to do list somewhere

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message i literally didnt notice this and it should have prob gotten exclamed

Oh well

Its also like “just use money through”

[drowsy plank]

that's what we were saying for a while

[grim tusk]

Anyways if it gets to dev this is 100% getting denied

[drowsy plank]

rover said it wasn't explicitly breaking any of the rules tho so it was allowed through

lmfao

[wide river]

I told them that if it didn't pass, I'd add it to my own mod
Since it seems like a cool idea

[drowsy plank]

fr if that's the case someone should just reject it now; i always felt like it's weird that suggs that have already been decided to not pass still get to be voted on

[wide river]

It also feels a bit weird to smite suggestions before they reach dev

[drowsy plank]

if they were supposed to get smitten in posting then who cares lol

[grim tusk]

^

[half imp]

hmm i saw mention about one murasama

[wide river]

I get that this one's already been discussed, but has anyone told them that it's a balance suggestion thing?
#suggestions-posting message

[half imp]

maybe add a recipe for it that requires having held murasama? same thing for shrine items

[grim tusk]

Its #1042197406776827914 , SIS and has no valid reasoning whatsoever

[half imp]

that way you have to find the one but multiplayer isn't screwed

[drowsy plank]

that is

[wheat berry]

did you even read what I said, the whole point of the suggestion is to make murasama not as annoying to get in another world/cheating it in

[drowsy plank]

an interesting way to do it i suppose

[half imp]

it's the only way i could think of for specifically shrine ites

[drowsy plank]

but it isn't supposed to be renewable

[wide river]

I read the suggestion, yes.
I'm just saying that because it's a unique item it doesn't need a crafting recipe

[drowsy plank]

i still think it'd get rejected but it's better than nothing

[wheat berry]

probably a bad example but most bosses are lore wise, yet they are definitley renewable and refightable

[half imp]

maybe even a mutiplayer exclusive recipe

really any way for getting multiple in multiplayer would be really nice for shrines and sama

[wide river]

Make them require fishing

Boom

[half imp]

lol

[drowsy plank]

that's a vanilla carry over thing, regardless this is still ignoring the fact shrine items exist, murasama kinda-sorta is one, and they have gone on record saying there's only one per world and if you want multiple, you do need to use multiple worlds/cheat others in

i think doze's idea is something more reasonable at least

[half imp]

yeah

the point is you have to find it

[wheat berry]

[drowsy plank]

tbf it is how you get renewable version of one time items in vanilla (orbs, heart crystals, eswords, etc.)

[wide river]

Make it require a Murasama to craft another Murasama
Nothing else is in the recipe and it only makes one

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[wide river]

They didn't specifically say that the recipe had to benefit anyone

[drowsy plank]

just make murasama a 10% yharon drop

[blazing kettle]

why would anyone but the melee player be grabbing murasama

it also only sells for 50 gold if you are planning on selling it

[drowsy plank]

the obvious answer is they are all melee

[wide river]

Every player using the same class is the multiplayer equivalent of subclass only runs

[drowsy plank]

pretty much yeah

[swift wharf]

remove murasama

[drowsy plank]

👏

[half imp]

so true

replace it with a phaseslayer in the chest fr fr

[swift wharf]

stars above has a better one anyway

SO FUCKING TRUE

[undone cedar]

Facts

[wide river]

Watch as the playerbase immediately drops to half

[drowsy plank]

what

[swift wharf]

EVEN BETTER

[undone cedar]

Really sad moment for calamity

[swift wharf]

big fat Ws rn

[undone cedar]

Beaten by stars above 😔

[drowsy plank]

what if we removed mursama and reworked devil's sunrise as the terragrim upgrade and used that instead

[wide river]

People apparently don't like it when references get removed
See: Yharim's Stimulants

[swift wharf]

very true ideas

[wide river]

Although I haven't seen anyone complain about them for a while

[swift wharf]

draedons heart:

[drowsy plank]

mango decines daughter

they delete bad items in response to suggestion complaints

fr tho it sucks that cal basically has two terragrim "upgrades" and one of them is just Really Big Terragrim and the other one is just someone taping a yoyo to it

[half imp]

devil's sunrise has never made sense to me

it feels like it has no idea what it is

[drowsy plank]

i already asked the donor, got a suggestion passed to rework it, so now we're just kinda

waiting

[swift wharf]

it suffers from old item

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest it was unforgivable even back then

lemme

...why does it not have a history section

[swift wharf]

i remember it being really good for one patch

and that is it

[drowsy plank]

it did stupid damage if you abused rams

still suchs mechanically tho

[drowsy plank]

yeah okay i was right devil's was added alongside items like corpus avertor, angelic shotgun, deep sea dumbbell, etc.
it was just uncharacteristically shit from the start for no good reason

[blazing kettle]

that sounds like a bad idea and a half

i like it

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

what if we removed momentum capacitor instead

[golden sonnet]

Based

[glass arch]

why use momentum capacitor when you can use pogo stick

[halcyon zealot]

Lol

It's disabled when bosses r alive now right

@ashen warren how do you propose it work, perhaps accelerate downwards when pressing s?

[blazing kettle]

isnt there an accesory that does this?

[worldly basalt]

slime mount

[blazing kettle]

true

[worldly basalt]

also, pylons

[blazing kettle]

i believe i was thinking about the astrum aereus boots

[half imp]

the ones that are bad

Gravistar Sabaton

[worldly basalt]

headstompers ror2

[drowsy plank]

at least sabaton rework has been proven to exist

just waiting on when

[half imp]

yea

[ashen warren]

Probably in the same way as going left/right, so Holding the S key while holding the item causes one to fall faster, preferably faster than slime mount. I've never used mounts, solely for the reason of having that slot always filled with slime saddle for hellivators.

[buoyant idol]

If you want to go down quicker, demon conch exists. I feel like the reasoning is mildly questionable.

[halcyon zealot]

Yes demon conch is there for hell travel

[ashen warren]

1. Demon conch Takes up another inventory slot
2. Only would be better if you have hellivators in the center of your world. For example, if you're dropping into the Dungeon or Jungle arenas, it wouldn't work. Also if your hellivator is at the edge of the world, it also wouldn't work.
3. Makes sense according to the description, as 'top speed' is not a factor bound to horizontal movements alone

[buoyant idol]

Fair point, but don’t forget crags pylon and artificial biomes.

[ashen warren]

True, but then you'd have to have NPC's stationed spread out all over hell, jungle, etc.

[buoyant idol]

Crags doesn’t need NPCs

[glass arch]

again
just use a fast fall mount

at the time you're regularly travelling to hell you probably have access to at least slimy saddle

[buoyant idol]

True

[half imp]

Pogo stick is literally pre boss

[glass arch]

yeah lmao you have options

[ashen warren]

Again, all either fill inventory slots or take up the mount slot, so you can't use any other mounts (unless you alternative with something, which, takes up an inventory slot). It would be way easier for momentum capacitor to work in both directions-- you shouldn't have 1 item for horizonal travel and 1 for vertical, especially when the description states it should work for both

[glass arch]

one inventory slot is
easily accessable

[buoyant idol]

Momentum fills an inventory slot

[glass arch]

bullshit you have your entire inventory filled up with entirely necessary items at all times

[fervent orbit]

this suggestion is awful, you already have pogo stick/slime saddle for vertically down movement

and theres plenty of wings that have great verticle speed

cough eol cough

[half imp]

starboard with the 150+mph vertical max speed

[glass arch]

your arguments for slimy saddle and/or pogo taking up a mount slot arent really valid either because you can just
swap them out when you dont need em

[fervent orbit]

and that theyre also great mounts when used in boss fights too

[half imp]

besides, pogo is arguably the best mount for combat and mobility

[fervent orbit]

so it doubly just doesnt work

[half imp]

unless you specifically need flight

[ashen warren]

Why shouldn't the momentum capacitor work vertically though?

[fervent orbit]

why should it

ur question doesnt apply

we gave our reasons and debunked yours

[glass arch]

theres more than enough vertical movement items

[half imp]

I think it would be cool but just being cool isn't necessarily enough for a suggestion

besides we don't need momentum capacitor to invalidate other ways of transport even harder

[fervent orbit]

there shouldnt be an "end all be all" item for every category

[glass arch]

yeah momentum capacitor is only outclassed in movement by as far as i know 3 other methods (pylons teleporters and the funny hook moment) and teleporters are highly debatable

[half imp]

and outclassed by literally everything during a boss

[glass arch]

yeah during a boss its a functionless brick

not even a throwing brick it just does literally nothing

[half imp]

oh my goodness I should make throwing items deal damage

stupid mod idea

[atomic shell]

throwing out an anvil should do like

9999 damage

to non boss enemies

[buoyant idol]

Metal pipe sound effect must play when it hits

[crude geode]

Improve every item’s visuals

[glass arch]

aint this already planned

[frosty trellis]

@kindred creek #suggestions-discussion message

[undone cedar]

New suggestion idea

Improve Everything

If it gets accepted the mod will instantly become better

[frosty trellis]

That's unfortunately a don't: It's too grand scale

[undone cedar]

Yeah thats why its a joke

[grim tusk]

@kindred creek what they said and also your reasoning is respriting based on bad quality which is a dont

[swift wharf]

just dont resprite it

use funny code

and yeah the thing is so fucking ugly

[glass arch]

i should repost my lacerator sugg tbh

[small timber]

1 more try since last time it got decent amount but other suggestions got even higher

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren May be worth mentioning the Portal Gun in your suggestion? It allows you to reach significantly higher top falling speeds.
Your counterargument would likely be that post-ML is too late for that to be useful, compared to Momentum being post-3Mechs

[hollow shell]

Also, include these counterarguments in your suggestion too.

Remember that the voters and devs will only see your suggestion message upon it getting delivered to #suggestions-voting and the dev server.
They will not see the conversations you had in this channel

They will likely think of the same "but what about"s that came up here, so it'd be good to refute them in the sugg itself

(I do personally thoroughly disagree with your counterarguments and I think that all the alternatives proposed by those people are valid. Losing one single inventory slot is not a big deal and you act like swapping mounts is some grueling endeavor. Also, Crag pylon doesn't require an active NPC presence, it's basically free.

But... your suggestion will still be valid if you explain why you disagree with those, even if I personally think those explanations are weak.)

[atomic shell]

wasn’t there a very similar sugg to the necklace of vexation one before

[small timber]

also posted by me

(it is identical)
that one is already pass the batch aka it cannot enter dev server anymore

so I will try 1 more time (since last time it got decent amount, 130, just fell shy to other suggestions), if it fail then I will not repost again

[ashen warren]

Ah thanks, I will edit my suggestion to include counterarguments :)

[grim tusk]

Bloodstone is a thematic mess

And it will remain so until like Crags rework or smth

[glass arch]

so no retier?

[grim tusk]

Highly unlikely

[glass arch]

zamn

[kindred skiff]

At least it gives you more to flex when you beat DoG with a shitty yoyo

[swift wharf]

I mean it's viable

Just bad

[small timber]

no it is not

it is bad compare to solar flare, which is a bad weapon

so it is basically an ultra shit weapon that serve almost no purpose

[storm anchor]

do people do not know of summoners association or

[crude geode]

Twas brought up when the sugg was in posting

No counter argument was added

Went into voting where people are dumb

(So yes)

[storm anchor]

[swift wharf]

can you not beat dog with it

unless it does no damage to the boss, it's viable

[small timber]

it takes 10 minute of constant head hit without adrenaline on a tester nohitter build

[swift wharf]

still viable

[small timber]

if that is your definition of viable then good for you

[swift wharf]

thats the right definition

[ripe owl]

Do people not*

Anyway yes, I've heard of the mod but never knew it did this

I know for certain that Toasty's Cheat Mod has this thing

[storm anchor]

cheat mod
coffin emoji

[ripe owl]

It's not really QoL

It's more of a cheat QoL

[fossil finch]

simply do not use toastys its that simpl

[ripe owl]

I don't

Outside of nohits, that is

[half imp]

"go get another mod" isn't exactly a good argument to be fair

it could apply to most suggestions

deus drop meld blobs? go get a mod for that (it exists)

[fossil finch]

i mean i feel theyre

very different sitatuations here

it is calamity who made deus, made meld, and then made deus drop fragments but not meld

add a number so i can see how many summons i have is not related to calamity in any way

theres a reason thats its own unique mod

[half imp]

I mean

calamity is the one that makes summon mixing matter

you basically never do that in vanilla

and some summons, like Wither Blossoms, can get overwritten if you summon too many other stuff

it's definitely Calamity's problem, plus calamity has a precedent for showing stats in the stat meter

wouldn't be hard to make it say 15/15 minion slots, going town to 0/15 as you use them up for example

[drowsy plank]

SA adds other stuff and considering cal adds a stat meter already anyway i mean

no real reason to complain id say

this aint the first time cal has stepped on the toes of existing QoL mods, but i am suprised it passed lol

[half imp]

now flight time meter when

[swift wharf]

flight hair dye

[thorn dock]

That resprite is badly needed.
Many cant stand using it because it looks like crap

[grim tusk]

The sugg was exclaimed because reasoning based on poor quality but most importantly: The same sugg literally just had gotten into voting

Heck it had just gotten into dev when this was posted

[drowsy plank]

lol lmao

[worldly basalt]

wasn't it already in the plans?

it was going to be something like infernum polter's tentacles iirc

[drowsy plank]

yes

that was my suggestion which already passed

[worldly basalt]

nice

[small timber]

Surprise the murasama one didnt get flagged

Mainly because the same argument could had been used for shrine items which also is one per world

[atomic shell]

yeah but those aren’t really as impactful/notable as murasama

I mean you play multiplayer with your friends and go “check it out this mod has a murasama”

and everybody wants it because it’s awesome

[round ravine]

Been thinking about making a suggestion where Meld Blobs are replaced with some kind of celestial fragment for Rogue players, but I want to know why Meld Blobs exist to begin with.

[wide river]

I think it only exists because of old Calamity relics

[round ravine]

What kind of relics, though?

[wide river]

Not a relic in the sense of the furniture item

[round ravine]

Ah, okay, that narrows it down a bit.

[fervent orbit]

relic as in old thing

[wide river]

There were some ideas to rework Meld at some point
I think a suggestion got to dev about changing it
I don't know what happened to that

[glass arch]

theres been suggestions to straight up remove either blobs or constructs (not sure exactly which) and afaik they've all been vetoed

[fervent orbit]

prob constructs

constructs just act like a middle man

[swift wharf]

turn constructs into tiles

[fervent orbit]

there was a sugg for that

[swift wharf]

🪦

[fervent orbit]

idk if it got enough votes or anything

[eternal escarp]

simply suggest that again...
i think thats a good sugg meld blobs should just be the material on their own tbh imo

[fervent orbit]

found it

#suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

at least they're not fucking bars that require spectre bars anymore

[fervent orbit]

considering #suggestions-voting message, i dont think thatll be happening

[round ravine]

So did the developers create the suggestion bot themselves?

[glass arch]

ye the one to remove meld constructs was vetoed

[wide river]

Nycro made the bot

[eternal escarp]

not that sugg

[eternal escarp]

this one

[glass arch]

thats a straight up removal, not a change into block form

[round ravine]

Oh.

[glass arch]

but ye just reposting the block sugg would work

[distant gyro]

redesigned meld has some association with dark gods and noxus and w/e

[fervent orbit]

theres not much difference, both ask to remove construct (or its purpose) because its a useless middleman for crafting, one just removes it while the other reworks its purpose

[distant gyro]

but it's just shipped in as a resprite and nothing else to it

and that was done in rust and dust

clearly the dark god expansion was nowhere close

[glass arch]

reworking its purpose would be better
plus itd fit in with the fragment blocks and even though blobs arent really fragments they serve kinda the same purpose

[fervent orbit]

melds do serve the same purpose, they just dont have an associated pillar

[round ravine]

I just learned that Meld Constructs can make more than Rogue weapons.

[cobalt pewter]

meld is weird

it tries to be both rogue and all class at the same time

[fervent orbit]

ok but like calamity does this with other fragments too

its not a meld only thing

[glass arch]

partially

i dont think any of them have 3 other class weapons

[fervent orbit]

i can check rn

[glass arch]

oh damn never mind stardust has 4

[fervent orbit]

also i just realised theres no meld summoner weapon

[glass arch]

i think

yeah other than stardust all of them have 2 other class weapons

[distant gyro]

there's no summoner weapons for like

half the sets

[fossil finch]

there would be a difference in that the other fragments seem to just be complementary recipe materials

Meld is instead The Thing for all those other class meld weapons

[distant gyro]

it took some amount of time for summoner to exist

[cobalt pewter]

yeah other cal weapons with fragments are usually complementary (maybe aside from Luminous Striker since it's very stardust-y)

but every weapon on Meld line is very

Meld

no exceptions

it's as if it wants to make an entire set of Meld and not just slap some of them to random weapons

[glass arch]

the alt class fragment weapons are all upgrades iirc
meld alt class weapons are just meld constructs

you can argue for tome of fates because it uses a book but thats a really weak argument

[frosty trellis]

@atomic shell Handheld tank is a donor item

[atomic shell]

Fuck

not my finest moment

[drowsy plank]

what was the suggestion?

to remove it?

you could always just talk to the donor about... whatever @atomic shell

[atomic shell]

I wanted to remove tiger skin from the recipe

forgot it was donor

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah that aint happening

that's half the bit

it's a tiger tank

get it

[atomic shell]

yeah ik I addressed that

I just am never going to use this weapon in a million years if that’s in the recipe lmao

[drowsy plank]

real

[wide river]

Shrimply add a recipe for Tiger skin

If the issue is the tiger skin, then just make the tiger skin easier to get

[drowsy plank]

add tiger mob that drops tiger skin

[opaque saddle]

Add new Frost Legion weapons

[drowsy plank]

no

[distant gyro]

frost legion when it is entirely consisting of figher AI enemies that crumble in 1.1 seconds

[drowsy plank]

just add a new miniboss like that one mod

[wide river]

If vanilla refuses to add more content to the mistake of an event, then Cal shouldn't either

[drowsy plank]

tfw early hardmode has three events

[crude geode]

That makes it good wdym

[opaque saddle]

Ignore dolphin

[wide river]

Hmmm yes the SDMG is a legacy item

[frosty trellis]

It used to be

SDMG used to be legacy and was even unobtainable for a long time before it got re-added in 1.3

[wide river]

Oh yeah, that

[drowsy plank]

please just read the rules in the pins, you're not even using these channels correctly

[opaque saddle]

Which rule did I break

[golden sonnet]

1. What is your reasoning? Most items are removed for a reason, explain why they need to come back.
2. SiS

[opaque saddle]

Ok sorry.

[blazing kettle]

also wasnt the frostmourne replica a cut item

[wide river]

It was cut in fear of legal issues I think

[blazing kettle]

yeah

same with soul sythe right?

[wide river]

Ye

[wide river]

Also, I swear I saw this exact image on r/terraria at some point

[blazing kettle]

oh yeah consolaria exists lmao

just get that

it has most of the old gen content in it

[serene tendon]

And it makes them actually good too

[blazing kettle]

there really isnt aby reason for cal to do this too it just contributes to item bloat

[wide river]

I need to find that copy of WiiU Terraria I played on for a while
I really want to reach Ocram on there

[blazing kettle]

its eye of cthulu on crack

[wide river]

So I've heard

[drowsy plank]

only boss worse designed than moon lord id say

in terms of bullshit difficulty

[kindred skiff]

Moon lord isn’t bullshit difficult

But lepus was actual bullshit

That fight was so annoying

[halcyon zealot]

lepus cute

[frosty trellis]

Pre 1.4.4 BoC

Ocram wasn't bad at all
Even on mobile

BoC is bs

[drowsy plank]

true

lul

[frosty trellis]

I would know
All I had for terraria for like, 5 years was mobile

Actually longer than that most likely

[drowsy plank]

maybe the first ocram was bad, i watched a video of someone fighting him back then and it just looked like laser/demon scythe spam with no rhyme or reason to it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's what it is
It just does no damage and dies fairly easily

[drowsy plank]

oh lmfao

[frosty trellis]

It's a bad boss but it's not boc or ml bs

[hollow ridge]

Could be worse tbh

I'd just get over it ig

But maybe

If enough people want it

And it gets accepted in dev server

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small mortar]

i've died 3 times to the boss because it's so hard to see the red projectiles

[hollow ridge]

Game ruined

Uninstals

Quits permanently

[small mortar]

no need to be such a dick

chill

[hollow ridge]

Aight thumb emoji

But iir

The point of the projectiles is to be red

[upbeat yacht]

they made cryogen's projectiles more visible so doing the same to perf should be fine

[hollow ridge]

Yeah

[glass arch]

tbf
you also dont have to fight perfs in the underground

[hollow ridge]

Did that happen for provi too?

[glass arch]

ye

[hollow ridge]

^

[glass arch]

technically they enrage aboveground but its uh not much of a difference

[hollow ridge]

Also if it helps

The projectiles stay the same distance away each time

And also you can just completely dash outta the way of all of em when they fire out 👍

Its an earlier in progression boss

So I doubt it'd be the end of the world

[drowsy plank]

nah this one is dumb
why are they even red just make them like black or white or smthn or even just make it only spit yellow ones idk

maybe the burning blood ones can be orange while underground while they're red on the surface so you can still differentiate the ichor ones

[serene tendon]

Onion's sugg will make MomCap break mobility progression even more than it already does

[drowsy plank]

yes so dont vote for it lol

[blazing kettle]

why is the murasama sugg getting votes?

[drowsy plank]

bc not everyone is in this channel

[errant bobcat]

Just make momcap not usable in boss fight if this sugg passes

Also why murasama sugg bad?

[glass arch]

it already isnt

[errant bobcat]

Wait…I’m dum

[glass arch]

momcap would just invalidate every other method of transportation aside from pylons or the hook physics

[errant bobcat]

Yea fair

[glass arch]

and the hook physics are hard to pull off right iirc

[errant bobcat]

I just use demon/magic conch and cell phone + momcap to get around so yea I guess

[glass arch]

the person also argued that demon conch is an invalid method of hell travel because it takes up an inventory slot

and that fast fall mounts like pogo and slimy saddle were also bad because they take up a mount slot

[blazing kettle]

what else is going in that mount slot lmao?

[glass arch]

idk like brimrose, ufo, or exo box

but either way you have a piggy bank for a reason

[frosty trellis]

The inventory slot thing is dumb as it generally doesn't matter
And the three mounts you mentioned jacob, you need to be post martians for the first one so yeah

[glass arch]

are there actually any other pre hardmode mounts other than slimy saddle and pogo

[wide river]

Do you mean mounts that grant fast fall, or mounts in general?

[glass arch]

just in general

i checked the vanilla wiki and looks like 3 of em are the same mount but reskinned

[wide river]

The horses, I assume

[glass arch]

yeah

[wide river]

I legitimately don't ever remember any pre-hardmode mounts other than the Bee, Slime, and Turtle mounts
They're just the only ones I bother to get

[glass arch]

theres
-Slime
-Bee
-turtle
-bunny
-pogo
-golf cart
-flamingo
-horse 1, 2, and 3
-lava shark

[half imp]

(the only important one there is pogo)

but yeah mounts are shafted hard by momentum already

just gets worse if you add vertical

[serene tendon]

We need to just remove momcap tbh

It breaks everything mobility-wise

[storm anchor]

still pretty redundant considering it already exists

[drowsy plank]

again SA adds a lot of other stuff

it's kinda like how cal implemented potion shops, whether or not it was a good idea was irrelevant, alchnpc already existed, but it adds a lot, so cal added its own way of doing it

[fossil finch]

Momcap rework was funny because it basically just readded a removed item

[fossil finch]

Argument falls flat because, unlike alch npc, sa's extra content is not intrussive in anyway and very easy to completely ignore

A player may not even know about said extra content at all

[drowsy plank]

fair

im really indifferent towards the whole situation lmao

[grim tusk]

Bone blocks are still on the game what

You use bone wand to place them

[glass arch]

yeah bone blocks are still in

[grim tusk]

Ocram was not bad cuz powercreep and/or easy to cheese

[glass arch]

and why the fuck is a blue slime on that image

[grim tusk]

1.1 he was horrifying

[grim tusk]

Slime pet

From Petri dish

[glass arch]

ohhhh

[grim tusk]

Just install Consolaria

[blazing kettle]

you just cant hold them anymore unless you port a 1.3 world which has some in a chest

mfw 1.4.4 tmod ocming soon

[half imp]

at least include the best legacy items smh

holy hand grenade my beloved

[atomic shell]

worm pet is my HOMIE

this man has dialogue

[kindred skiff]

True

Where are the pets that did damage too

[ripe owl]

In your summon staffs

[halcyon zealot]

is there any particular reason as to why the pillars don't have Cal HP bars

[ripe owl]

Maybe because they're technically not a boss or a miniboss?

[glass arch]

they should be considered as them
because they have the map icons

yeah according to vanilla wiki they're classified as a boss

[grave zinc]

@lean prairie - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it so you're able to place stuff on top of calamity piano]

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[Make mob lore items show up on the map (full screen map) with an icon.]

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[Add Wulfrum Variant of Doors]

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[Rewrite Eye of Desolation miscellaneous quote.]

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[Rework the Pirate to Help Expand the Abyss/Sulphurous Sea Lore]

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[Give Arsenal Weapons Accessories]

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[blazing kettle]

banger lineup

[ripe owl]

If not only for a Pirate sugg being rejected in the middle of the way

[blazing kettle]

yeah i dont know how that got past the posting phase

[small timber]

is this considered grand scale reconsideration? since this is basically (almost) retiering bosses
(though tbh if it is just purely buffed in stats to justify ichor/cursed flame drop it is not really a big change but yeah, post-progression random buff)

[frosty trellis]

I mean yeah they buffed giant clam hp for the new drops it has so buffing prefs and hive mind stats for the ichlor/cursed flame they now drop makes sense in my head

Same with the upgraded moons

[ripe owl]

I mean, Aureus was once buffed post-ML and was giving sweet drops

While Hives do it for free

[swift wharf]

except moons fucking suck

anyways you can just buy the seeds from the dryad in a hardmode graveyard

during a blood moon

[vernal moat]

also I honestly really like the hive boss fights

so refighting them would be fun

and its an alternative to fighting mimics

[vernal moat]

its not retiering them, the boss works the same way in pre hardmode, and the player gets an option to fight a harder version of it as an alternative to farming biome mimics and ichor/cursed flames.

Is it allowed to suggest new drops, because I have some ideas.

[small timber]

as long as it is not too specific, but from what it sounds like it will be pretty specific

[fossil finch]

Id retier them before doing that

Any reasonably decent harder version of it will just be the boss but made for hardmode at that point, seems like excess work honestly specially when their tiering has always been a theme of discussion because of being back to back with their counterparts

[half imp]

woo!

[atomic shell]

can’t wait for buffed pole warpers vs exos

[half imp]

o h

[drowsy plank]

lol

[dense ferry]

Yipee!!

[eternal escarp]

@whole kelp balance sugg go in the thread #1042197406776827914, not the sugg channel

though i guess thats less of a specific concern either so hard to understand what may be the specific problem weapons

[whole kelp]

Oh ok sorry abt that

[eternal escarp]

come on i just mentioned about this

[glass arch]

ffs

[atomic shell]

what a sugg!

what a sugg!

what a sugg!

[errant bobcat]

Why are todays Suggs just blatantly bad

[drowsy plank]

@opaque saddle you have no reasoning and also this is just a bad suggestion

[blazing kettle]

how the hell is that formatted correctly

[glass arch]

it isnt

[opaque saddle]

I have reasoning but I need to wait 10 minutes to post it.

[atomic shell]

0 reasoning

[drowsy plank]

oh my

[atomic shell]

actually 0

[drowsy plank]

no it all goes in one message

[blazing kettle]

the bot hasnt 🗜️ yet

[drowsy plank]

regardless

no this is a bad suggestion just delete it

[glass arch]

my brother in christ POST THE REASONING AND TITLE IN ONE MESSAGE

[blazing kettle]

just edit your existing message

[atomic shell]

wow! Wow! Wow! Wow!

[drowsy plank]

@opaque saddle it all goes in one message but also; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2864843929

now stop asking calamity to readd this stuff

[glass arch]

this reasoning isnt any better

[frosty trellis]

Literally this ^

[blazing kettle]

anyways uh jumpscare

[drowsy plank]

lol lmao

[opaque saddle]

Does Consolaria work with Calamity?

[atomic shell]

CONSOLARIA jumpscare

[atomic shell]

yes???

[drowsy plank]

as well as any other mod

[glass arch]

as well as 2 content mods work together

[blazing kettle]

why do you want calanity specifically to add this miscellanious stuff from old gen terraria to come back

[opaque saddle]

I was told that Calamity doesn’t allow other mods to work with it. Sorry

🐰

[atomic shell]

[drowsy plank]

ok look regardless, cal isn't going to readd this stuff, and yes it can cause problems, but if you want to use it with calamity that's what you have to do

it probably won't! but no promises

[glass arch]

the most cal would do is make some reference that isnt actually directly pulled from old gen stuff
like ocram being referenced in XB-∞ Hekate

[drowsy plank]

@opaque saddle if you could delete the suggestion as well it would be helpful to the mods to not have to bother with it

also true

[blazing kettle]

man what did calamity do to turkor

shits fucked up man

[drowsy plank]

LOL

dont remind me that exists

[atomic shell]

isn’t that just gonna be

mechdusa

[glass arch]

i too can tell what thats supposed to be

[glass arch]

yes

[drowsy plank]

XB references souls of blight references ocram

[atomic shell]

oh and I guess mechdusa is from ocram’s razor

[drowsy plank]

shrimply

[glass arch]

and the B in the name stands for Blight, as a reference to ocram dropping souls of blight

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[atomic shell]

Oh yeah and xb

facts

[drowsy plank]

okay moving on

@near topaz do you think you could elaborate on your reasoning? i see no reason this shouldn't just be something in #1042197406776827914 if the weapons are just underperforming DPS wise

like yes i think we all know the OTHER issues with perf/mind but i dont think this sugg really covers those, and if you're going to bring it up, it should

[near topaz]

There was a channel named #balance suggestions?

[drowsy plank]

yes it's a thread off of this channel

im 90% sure this is mentioned in the pins/rules

[glass arch]

it 100% is

[wide river]

Yeah, the third pin has it

[drowsy plank]

lol

[glass arch]

and its like right at the top of the donts doc

[drowsy plank]

truly incredibly how the guy proceeded to do
absolutely nothing about this