Ah, ok
#suggestions-discussion
wide river
grizzled dome
so I'm tweaking that.
wide river
Usually it's used in this server as a term for an accessory that does nothing more than boost stats
But if you interpret it differently, then change it
grizzled dome
Ahh. I'm coming into this with a different perspective on jargon, I guess.
glass arch
yeah stat sticks are usually referred to in here as things that have no special effects other than +damage etc
grizzled dome
But I'll keep "stat stick" here since it's the local lingo.
grizzled dome
I might tweak the thing about guns since the quivers are also uninteresting and subclass only runs shouldn't be mentioned.
And raw damage is the single least interesting stat, since you can't directly see it in the same way as you see other stats.
grizzled dome
I mean, you can see damage numbers.
I mean that if your weapon is bigger, that changes the size of its sprite, and it feels different. An increase in minions feels different, since you can see the extra minion. Even an increase in fire rate feels different, because it changes the number of projectiles on screen and makes things more "snappy". I guess damage is the second-least-visible stat, though, since some things affect aggro.
swift wharf
aggro is a mess in this game
ignore it
anyways just because you can see an extra minion doesn't mean it's unique
same for weapon size
grizzled dome
I didn't say "unique". I said "interesting".
swift wharf
woohoo this acc makes your weapon 3x bigger
glass arch
aggro does nothing unless mp
swift wharf
same thing
something unique is something interesting
aggro does nothing in mp most of the times
glass arch
yeah but its the only time it can ever have some semblance of a use
swift wharf
i love when the person with less aggro gets fucked over because theyre hosting
anyways stats are not unique lmao
/interesting whatever
grizzled dome
Extra slots aren't that interesting, but they're much more visible, and it feels cool to have another entire minion. And I agree that stats are uninteresting, but damage is the least interesting.
swift wharf
thats subjective
wide river
anyways stats are not unique lmao
That's why I suggested that it should have a unique effect, such as the void thingy from Quiver of Nihility, or the whole thing for Daawnlight Spirit Origin
swift wharf
i could say that fishing power is the least interesting
yeah thats what something unique would be
wide river
But not being a straight rip, of course
grizzled dome
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing I want.
swift wharf
then dont put balance in the mix
grizzled dome
I didn't.
grizzled dome
I didn't in the original post, and I never said which stat sticks were stronger or weaker.
All I meant is that a bigger weapon kind of changes how you play and how you can play, since it affects how you position yourself. It's not much, but it's something. I was mentioning the emblems just because if I didn't, it wouldn't be fair.
swift wharf
mm thats fair
grizzled dome
otherwise I thought someone might say "why are you saying the ranger emblem is just a boring statstick, but not pointing out that the other classes have emblems which are equally boring and which they also tend to use".
swift wharf
ranger is kinda minging in general
grizzled dome
how does this look (knowing it's 90% Enchilada's)?
Add a new ranger accessory for early-mid hardmode, ideally with a unique effect
Currently, there are very few ranger accessories for hardmode, and most of them are available shortly after beating the wall of flesh. You're basically stuck using the ranger emblem and a lot of generic accessories for most of hardmode, all the way up to Golem at least, simply due to a lack of specific options. The fact that the class guide suggests continuing to use the Ranger Emblem even after acquiring its direct upgrade (the Deadshoot Brooch) really highlights how few options are available.
Even for the options available, most of them are just relatively uninteresting stat sticks, and/or are exclusive to specific weapon types; if you're focusing on using guns, for instance, the ranger emblem is the only class-specific accessory you gain between Skeletron and Plantera, and after you defeat Plantera you only unlock the deadshot brooch (just a numerical bonus, although arguably the projectile speed qualifies as interesting). Archers get quivers, which technically also provide a projectile speed boost, but still only have numerical effects (except for the molten quiver, but that's strictly inferior to the stalker's quiver, which is a pure stat stick).
As I went through the game, I felt as though I wasn't progressing very much, and had little choice in what I used since I was using generic armor, generic accessories, and a small number of stat stick accessories for a long period of time.
It's a bit longer and more of a mess, but I didn't want to mention that "focusing on guns" thing exclusively because subclass-only runs should not be mentioned.
wide river
That looks perfect!
buoyant idol
@lean prairie you need to provide more reasoning than that. Why should that be added?
wide river
I'm not sure they will
It's incredibly hard for aesthetic suggestions like this to have reasoning
buoyant idol
Reasoning: Allows better builds
wide river
Reasoning: Allows better builds
That could work, yeah
buoyant idol
Yeah, just seems out of place without reasoning.
lean prairie
i think the reasoning is self explanatory
vanity accessories are supposed to show on mannequins.
what other reason is there
wide river
vanity accessories are supposed to show on mannequins.
Put that in the suggestion
With that it will become valid
fervent orbit
you need a reason or its unvalid
lean prairie
done
wide river
That should be good
It's a bit short but should be fine in voting
Source: this message
#suggestions-voting message
drowsy plank
lack of post-ML rogue options and lack of ranger accessories are both definitely issues the team already knows about
the real issue is like
coming up with and actually implementing them 
wide river
Exactly
glass arch
true
wide river
lack of post-ML rogue options and lack of ranger accessories are both definitely...
And stuff of this caliber is generally not taken from a community suggestion
drowsy plank
also no, rusty medallion does not count that thing is still dick and balls there are like 0 sickness debuff ranger weapons so it's not even good as an irradiated applicator
drowsy plank
And stuff of this caliber is generally not taken from a community suggestion
p much plus "more post-ML rogue options" is a sugg that already passed anyway
same with the ranger thing i think too
they just
haven't done it yet lol
wide river
Still just hoping that the removal suggestions pass
golden sonnet
Yes, kill all the bloat
wide river
I don't know why, but today feels rather slow, suggestion wise
glass arch
its because we had like 7 yesterday
drowsy plank
^
glass arch
wait its more like 10 because theres still 6 up there
drowsy plank
i want to send my progression rework again but i feel like it's going to have a lot of competition atm so im not gonna waste my time
golden sonnet
Just looked at the diving suit thing, isn't that just a bug?
wide river
i want to send my progression rework again but i feel like it's going to have a ...
Yeah, just send it after the next batch is voted upon
wide river
Just looked at the diving suit thing, isn't that just a bug?
It could be
It could also be it hasn't been thought about
drowsy plank
Just looked at the diving suit thing, isn't that just a bug?
tbh it does sound more like a bug thing
hm
wide river
It's hard to judge these things
drowsy plank
does celestial shell or aquatic heart's transformations work on dummies?
wide river
I can check, I've got some free time
drowsy plank
cause presumably it's working like that and if so that seems more like a technical limitation due to how the suit is implemented
aight
swift wharf
also no, rusty medallion does not count that thing is still dick and balls there...
darts 
wide river
I still don't know what a sickness debuff is
swift wharf
poisons
drowsy plank
google "calamity debuffs"
swift wharf
so venom, plague, astral blight, etc
wide river
google "calamity debuffs"
I'd do that but fandom'd likely come up first
swift wharf
wide river
Ah, that makes sense
wide river
Why though?
drowsy plank
it's the amplifier
if it amplified itself that would be
weird
it's like miracle blight where it just doesn't have a category
wide river
oh
swift wharf
o lma
drowsy plank
still dunno why burning blood isn't a sickness debuff
you might actually be able to use rusty medallion if it was
wide river
still dunno why burning blood isn't a sickness debuff
It's got burning in the name, make it a fire debuff 
drowsy plank
swift wharf
that is why we should add a poison bullet
wide river
Or would it be a tmod issue
swift wharf
wide river
Or would it be a tmod issue
Because if it's a tmod issue then I'll leave it
wide river
<a:gta_troll_wtf:771191533814546432>
If only it passed
wide river
Because if it's a tmod issue then I'll leave it
It worked fine this time
Just a one-off thing, I guess
drowsy plank
<a:gta_troll_wtf:771191533814546432>
but don't worry! we're gonna get a suggestion for MORE AMMOS at POST-YHARON which OVERWHELMINGLY PASSED. 
because that's what post-ML needs
MORE RANGER OPTIONS
wide river
because that's what post-ML needs
What if they only benefit fast guns
drowsy plank
im gonna be honest early preHM ranger kinda sucks
wide river
It really does
wide river
Someone get on it
swift wharf
im gonna be honest ranger sucks
wide river
just the ammo
Somehow it becomes the most broken thing
wide river
does celestial shell or aquatic heart's transformations work on dummies?
Those don't work either
I think it's just an issue with mannequins
drowsy plank
yeah
wide river
Probably a technical difficulty, especially the time based ones
drowsy plank
so effectively the sugg is pointless
wide river
Watch it get in the top 20%
hollow ridge
im gonna be honest ranger sucks
It's got a decent bit of p unique weapons
blazing kettle
guns try not to steal ideas from everything else in the game
someday we will have a gun that shoots a sword
fossil finch
considering the side thing was an unfixable bug caused by Something Else tm i think this one is actually infact not worth it over just Fixing The Issue (SS leaking water)
most of the cases of this isnt water dissapearing its just it leaking out of the sea because of funny liquid settling and all
golden sonnet
Also, sunken sea already fills up over time by itself
Although I guess you can argue it won't be filled when you explore it as it's an early game biome
fossil finch
also old worlds unsupported anyway or whatves
grim tusk
@remote stone adress that sunken sea fills up itself overtime
drowsy plank
@remote stone not to double ping but also older worlds are not a concern for the team and are not actively supported. just gen a new world tbh
glass arch
if you do this it would be extremely laggy wouldnt it be
ashen warren
I thought of something actually neat, but I forgot
I don't see why I can't program a new boss for the mod RoverdriveX
glass arch
because you arent a dev lol
glass arch
not really
ashen warren
and I could also sprite it
glass arch
that just becomes an SIS but for a boss
ashen warren
Make the music
glass arch
at that point just make it your own mod
if you've gone that far implement it yourself
ashen warren
I'm real curious how calamity mod devs do the AI for the bosses
glass arch
@pseudo wadi the devs know, they specifically havent given it true melee abilities for a reason
hollow ridge
Goofy weapon
pseudo wadi
<@858532126315773952> the devs know, they specifically havent given it true mele...
Still it feels wrong lel
undone cedar
I don't see why I can't program a new boss for the mod RoverdriveX
Because the devs have their own plans, vision for the mod, and standards of quality
ashen warren
pseudo wadi
Needs more reasoning
You know exactly what I mean though
remote stone
<@516692364840927243> adress that sunken sea fills up itself overtime
it does? i never heard about this
wide river
Yeah, just like the abyss, the natural walls generate water
grim tusk
It can even be seen on your screenshot that its trying to fill up
glass arch
Still it feels wrong lel
its not a traditional melee weapon and theres nothing wrong with that
remote stone
It can even be seen on your screenshot that its trying to fill up
i thought it was some buggy water
hollow ridge
Most likely always will be
remote stone
should i delete the submission..?
grim tusk
Probably
undone cedar
its not a traditional melee weapon and theres nothing wrong with that
Arguably nothing wrong with that
glass arch
You know exactly what I mean though
wether we know what you mean or not doesnt matter, suggestions also have to convince the devs why it needs to change
pseudo wadi
wether we know what you mean or not doesnt matter, suggestions also have to conv...
Tru
glass arch
saying "it just doesnt feel right" wont do that
remote stone
<@516692364840927243> not to double ping but also older worlds are not a concern...
also about this, its not easy to just "switch worlds" im in hardmode and i have a load of builds laid out and i am familiar with the map
fervent orbit
me when cheat sheet paint tool
fossil finch
burning sky rework fake
drowsy plank
also about this, its not easy to just "switch worlds" im in hardmode and i have ...
either use cheat sheet or get used to the fact that an update to world gen means you were gonna need to regen the world at some point anyway
ive abandoned plenty of worlds that i was midway through when a new update dropped, it's just how playing terraria is
gives you a chance to do new stuff anyway
cal used to try and support backwards compatability but it just isn't worth it, too much effort for no real payoff
hollow shell
@pseudo wadi Sorry for another ping but I am obligated to send this every time this gets brought up:
Basically, it's intentional that it's practically a magic weapon dealing melee damage, as a joke 
pseudo wadi
Bruh
crude geode
Too high iq for the cal audience
hollow shell
Before it had a tiny little true melee swing, which nobody ever hit enemies with because the weapon filled the screen with projectiles already
crude geode
ashen warren
Summoner weapon dealing Yoyo damage
pseudo wadi
Too high iq for the cal audience
Exactly
ashen warren
I've encountered a glitch where your health bar is on your mouse cursor all the time
hollow shell
A rework was indeed in the works for a while
Dunno what the status of that is now though
hollow shell
I've encountered a glitch where your health bar is on your mouse cursor all the ...
Not for this channel
hollow shell
#calamity-mod-talk or #other-mod-talk if you just wanna talk about it
fervent orbit
me when swordsplosion is just as projectile melee than burning sky yet no one talks about it
drowsy plank
because it fuckin sucks
and is rare
swordsplosion when it no longer has 12 dozen armor piercing and potion effects to let it abuse (it is actually a bad weapon in both design and execution) 
atomic shell
“melee weapon does what melee weapon isn’t supposed to do” my brother in christ just play true melee it’s an actual subclass
wide river
“melee weapon does what melee weapon isn’t supposed to do” my brother in christ ...
True melee is the only actual melee in this mod
Everything else is a ranged or mage hybrid
drowsy plank
implying any class outside of summoner and rogue have any real identity
me when i shoot projectiles 
atomic shell
Why don’t you get some class
wide river
So classy
glass arch
>implying any class outside of summoner and rogue have any real identity
me whe...
ah ah ah rogue and summoner both use projectiles
atomic shell
rogue is mage but not
crude geode
Have you seen empyrean
drowsy plank
true but they also have a big projectile and projectiles that move on their own
atomic shell
crude geode
Have you seen empyrean
drowsy plank
spam rogue doesnt exist
glass arch
what you really need is Extra True Melee, no projectiles on swing or on hit or any projectiles at all its just your fists
drowsy plank
punch your computer
glass arch
precisely
wide river
spam rogue doesnt exist <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
To fix rogue simply remove the ability to spam
drowsy plank
lets see ravager recover from that
drowsy plank
To fix rogue simply remove the ability to spam
that will totally work and not break anything
crude geode
punch your computer
I thought that was a complete non sequitur for a moment which would have been based
wide river
that will totally work and not break anything <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
Actually, I think I might have an idea that could remove spam rogue
It'd be a terrible fix and probably earn the ire of the Calamity playerbase for years to come, but it could work
I know that TSA has some weapons that can't be spammed, where you have to charge them first
crude geode
“Fix” when it doesn’t actually do anything beneficial
serene tendon
I know that TSA has some weapons that can't be spammed, where you have to charge...
yes, all rogue should be like that
wide river
“Fix” when it doesn’t actually do anything beneficial
I suppose
It really wouldn't be a good idea, but it could work
crude geode
It would also remove funny hybrid rogue
wide river
Suddenly the glove of recklessness is destroyed
serene tendon
Suddenly the glove of recklessness is destroyed
Just make it increase spread
Shotgun 2.0
glass arch
@gritty wraith Specific Item Suggestion
gritty wraith
yo
hollow shell
It's not an SIS
glass arch
hmmm
hollow shell
But it does need proper formatting
gritty wraith
oh mb
hollow shell
It's a valid idea
glass arch
yeah valid idea just needs formatting, and probably a small bit more reasoning too
hollow shell
Basically just include a line break (shift + enter) to give the suggestion a separated 'title'
We have a bot that processes all the suggestions and that is required for it
gritty wraith
yeah valid idea just needs formatting, and probably a small bit more reasoning t...
on it rn
hollow shell
Perfect, thank you
gritty wraith
@hollow shell @glass arch hows that look now
hollow shell
👍
glass arch
looks great
gritty wraith
okay i found the rules and i can see the no specific item suggestions
but i think the reasoning behind it was because the devs didnt want to code and create a whole new item with different rules n shit
like the ranged weapon example
glass arch
ye i misidentified it
gritty wraith
i think this would be quite easy
drowsy plank
ok now THAT one. feels rule break-y
hollow shell
Yeah Mud Bomb shouldn't be hard at all
Probably would have been possible even before Dirt Bomb was added
But having Dirt Bomb as a reference will make it way easier
glass arch
yeah this new one
im not sure what to think of it
drowsy plank
mud bombs would be cool considering there's no easy way to spread it (1.4.4 solutions)
gritty wraith
ok now THAT one. feels rule break-y
yeah but its such an easy thing to do and its more of just a quality of life thing and not like "I want a new weapon to fight with that has a bunch of moves and alt attacks" yknow what i mean?
hollow shell
Nah Cog is talking about the new Boss Rush suggestion in #suggestions-posting now
gritty wraith
ty
here is what i am working on currently and it would be a lot easier to just use mud bombs instead of manually placing it
drowsy plank
neat
hollow shell
(Is Xeroc still the entity in charge of the Boss Rush, lore wise?
I know Xeroc got a massive character change in the lore but maybe his end state is the same)
drowsy plank
no idea tbh
hollow shell
here is what i am working on currently and it would be a lot easier to just use ...
Ahh yes, mushroom biome floating island
I always do that
drowsy plank
oh i know why this one feels weird
@bronze tendon do you have... any reason why this animation should be added?
glass arch
(Is Xeroc still the entity in charge of the Boss Rush, lore wise?
I know Xeroc g...
i dont think so
hollow shell
Two suggs in one and no reasoning for the first one, yeah
gritty wraith
Ahh yes, mushroom biome floating island
I always do that
Honestly who doesnt lol
ashen warren
RoverdriveX. How do you do the dash AI part of a boss?
Because I don't know how to make a boss dash
worldly basalt
you make it move really fast 👍 hope this helps
ashen warren
That's basic dashing
Also, there's more to that
changing the speed won't make it dash
you have to make timings for the dash
hollow shell
Why are you asking me in this channel and also why are you asking me at all?
Not to be rude but, I am not a programmer
ashen warren
I'm not offended at all actually
drowsy plank
ohhhh
hollow shell
But that limitation does not exist anymore, we (Iban?) found a way around it
drowsy plank
i see
well i suppose it's worth giving it a shot then
@frank mauve you need to give your suggestion a title and body section like the rest
worldly basalt
this probably counts as a Specific Item Suggestion
ripe owl
@molten herald you cannot suggest specific items. Also your suggestion is not written properly, but even if it were the SIS still applies
molten herald
Never posed there before, apologies, I should really read ahead of time
ripe owl
Your should always read
worldly basalt
neat idea though 👍
molten herald
Again sorry, not trying to break rules
ripe owl
neat idea though 👍
Yeah, but do we really need another ranged armor? We have: Desert Prowler, Victide, Aerospec and then Necro
Okay yeah, maybe something in the middle because using Victide from Eye to Evil 2 is a bit lame
worldly basalt
could be a post-calam one like fathom and brimflame
wide river
Yeah, but do we really need another ranged armor? We have: Desert Prowler, Victi...
Supposedly Necro is bad despite having overall higher stats than Aerospec
molten herald
Where would an appropriate place to put this be?
ripe owl
could be a post-calam one like fathom and brimflame
Idk why I was even thinking about pre-hardmode only
worldly basalt
hell, a unique post-polter ranger armor could be neat
idk if there's a dedicated art channel, especially one for concepts
ripe owl
Where would an appropriate place to put this be?
Media I guess? You can't suggest specific items, again, but you can share your ideas and concepts
wide river
Cal art server is a spot you could go
ripe owl
#general-media is usually the channel for this kinda stuff
ripe owl
Cal art server is a spot you could go
Or yeah
frank mauve
<@508448875900698625> you need to give your suggestion a title and body section ...
Is that better?
molten herald
Oh there’s an art server?
ripe owl
Yes
molten herald
Is there anywhere I can find it?
wide river
Is there anywhere I can find it?
Here, lemme get you a link
wide river
I can't seem to find a link, sorry
molten herald
drowsy plank
wait i got this
ripe owl
Yeah
worldly basalt
nice
drowsy plank
Is that better?
ye
molten herald
Cheers
half imp
I keep meaning to make that crystl crusher suggestion
it's so annoying
messes with using shift, with using auto cursor, and a bunch of other stuff
blazing kettle
why was the huge beam the default anyways?
cobalt pewter
because originally tmod doesn't support channeled attacks on right click
blazing kettle
ah
hollow shell
Yeah
afaik tMod still doesn't "support" it but we found a workaround to make it work.
ripe owl
Maybe, as an alternative, make it switch on Right-Click?
At least after the mod gets ported to 1.4.4
golden sonnet
its a little frustrating the suggestions compete against each other, because I really want all the items gone, but I also really want all the armor reworked
ripe owl
True
worldly basalt
just make a bunch of useless suggestions to increase the amount that can get through, ez
glass arch
we can repost the suggestions during lulls in the activity if needed
wide river
just make a bunch of useless suggestions to increase the amount that can get thr...
So true
Let's just vote for our own suggestions, ez
ripe owl
Let's just vote for our own suggestions, ez <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
I'm already doing it lol
glass arch
im still praying for my lacerator suggestion to pass
wide river
🙏
ornate kestrel
I'm just hoping the most recent 3 get passed
The first 2 remove item bloat
And the last fixes a confusing feature that should've been fixed
wide river
We live in hope
drowsy plank
"subpar" lmao
do people actually try and use that thing to kill stuff
cause what most people do is abuse it for iframes
oblique light
Actually I did try to beat DoG with it once.
It's suuuper fun to try, but it's so janky that every time you punch his face it's a coinflip as to whether you'll be hit.
You can actually go faster than the DoG by hitting its face as he chases you.
frosty trellis
Well
Um
Phos gauntlet isn't supposed to be your main source of damage
It's a bonk that gives iframes and it's fucking wild
It's a support weapon not a damage dealer
oblique light
Well why shouldn't it be able to be a damage dealer?
I guess that the attack speed restriction is to restrict the iframes, then?
small timber
because weapons are also supposed to be balanced for utility
as it is so broken on giving iframe already it can't also just deal on-tier damage, you can't get everything
eg: as Tyranny's End already deal one of the most absurd damage in the game you can't simply just say give it homing because it is hard to aim, hard to aim is its downside
Same with phosphorent gauntlet not dealing a lot of damage
(and then Final Dawn exist but yeah, one day it will actually be nerfed)
oblique light
Well I'm not exactly sure how the gauntlet is meant to be used. How does one utilize these i-frames?
small timber
when you see Yharon is about to charge you switch to it and use it, for the rest of the time when Yharon is away you simply use a different weapon
same with DoG
you can even just use it for movement to get away
oblique light
Why not just use holy dash?
small timber
it is omnidirectional (instead of left right only) and easier to time
and you can use it for movement only because the cooldown is short and just get away instead of ramming into yharon like holy dash
oblique light
Hmm...well, even then, it's not like the gauntlet would be broken if it were buffed damage-wise, right? It's not like that'd make using it as an off-hand would increase its strength or anything(though the attack speed breaking the i-frames would)
small timber
they can buff its damage yes (it is currently like, "ok/below average" damage wise)
but yeah definitely not by buffing attack speed, attack speed is already super fast for what it does
but I think even if they buff it it should still be slightly weaker than average weapon because it have other functions, but yeah
hollow shell
🤔
Well I'll exclam it for now cuz it's a balance sugg, should be brought up in the thread above
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ripe owl
swift wharf
because we need more post ml ammo
drowsy plank
ikr
ornate kestrel
Nice
small timber
I mean, the rest of the underworld do not really have anything else
the place where crag is at literally is just an empty space otherwise my as well make it prettier
glass arch
yeah hell is the opposite of ultrakill's (pretty empty)
glass arch
i could fit 100 blocks in like one screen
drowsy plank
im sorry is 2/3rds of hell not enough room for you or something???
golden sonnet
The ends of hell also have no buildings
drowsy plank
also that is def with me drastically overexaggeratting crags size
golden sonnet
It's just empty space
drowsy plank
yeah
@ashen warren what hell farming do you need to do that the other 2/3rds of hell doesn't suffice for? also the crags are so big rn because they're making room for when we get the actual crags rework that's going to add like another 3 sub-biomes to the place so i sincerely doubt this will pass
fervent orbit
you cant have lore items for scal and exos they build up for something that doesnt exist yet
wide river
I dreamt up a really weird idea the other night while editing some wiki pages
What if the tier 3 acid rain was renamed to something more relevant to Old Duke?
glass arch
ehh
wide river
10pm ideas are not the best
glass arch
i don't see why you would considering no event name changes when it's upgraded
golden sonnet
Boomer brinestorm
wide river
I was thinking something like, "Army of the Sulphurous Duchy", since the Old Duke is who the player fights at the end
fervent orbit
makes it feel like an actual kingdom
half imp
more interesting stuff to explore
fervent orbit
not some village
wide river
i don't see why you would considering no event name changes when it's upgraded
At least on boss checklist, there are three different acid rain entries with different names
wide river
Yes, I suppose. I wasn't planning on actually suggesting the name change, as that would be a massive SIS.
glass arch
u good?
wide river
What has transpired
fervent orbit
fervent orbit
yes
half imp
if so you'll need to spawn in a new item or reload the world, as those values are only set on individual item load
or item creation
fervent orbit
i tried
its still not
and also i didnt need to spawn a new item when i changed the dmg on it a couple of days ago
half imp
what
fervent orbit
yea
wide river
my sand is now cursed with 5000 use time or smthn
That's some slow sand
fervent orbit
(the item is called "sand" btw)
glass arch
i mean it would take you ages to gather a cubic foot of sand
glass arch
ok but have you ever tried to collect a cubic foot of sand
wide river
no because i dont use feet
Based metric user
fervent orbit
Based metric user
99% of the world being based:
glass arch
ok then have you ever tried collecting 30 cubic centimeters of sand
fervent orbit
idk man sounds kinda easy
just kinda need a place to hold it in
YES ITS BACK TO NORMAL
swift wharf
<@456226577798135808> what hell farming do you need to do that the other 2/3rds ...
my hell space 😭😭😭
(very valuable)
wide river
my hell space 😭😭😭
They're clearly trying to make a bridge that spans the entire length of hell to fight Master Infernum FTW Eternity Wall of Flesh
glass arch
the biggest challenge for that is getting it to even enable in the first place
wide river
Truly
glass arch
also you forgot nohit defiled and iron heart smh my head
glass arch
Malice and Death too
nah bc those get overridden by infernum
wide river
Oh, do they?
wide river
Even so, there would be no enjoyment derived from such a challenge
Even Malice by itself is godawful
glass arch
at that point just do it irl
fervent orbit
you forgot that you can only see one pixel
glass arch
oh yeah we forgot clueless mode
wide river
Whilst blindfolded and one handed
wide river
I've noticed over the years that most (if not all) of the death mode environmental changes got purged
Like, this is all that's left
Just thorns, spikes, the abyss, and blood moons
wide river
The thorn and spike ones seem pointless, it's true
swift wharf
those are goofy af
wide river
I think the Blood Moon one is funny, though
Plus it helps with farming in the later game
swift wharf
ya
wide river
I'll probs make a suggestion to remove the thorn and spike changes
fervent orbit
idk man wooden spikes nearly killing u with just one hit is funni
wide river
Yes, but it's like how GFB made crispy honey turn into lava
It doesn't actually serve to create much difficulty, it's just annoying
grizzled dome
I wonder if it's a side effect of it being so easily toggle-able and only changing the rewards given by bosses? It's almost only a mechanic for boss fights. I like the abyss and blood moon things, though (even though I've mostly just played on Revengance, not Death... but I might start an Expert Death playthrough soon, or maybe even Master Death if I'm feeling spicy).
wide river
I wonder if it's a side effect of it being so easily toggle-able *and* only chan...
Maybe, but I'd likely actually play Death mode if it wasn't so tedious due to thorns
grizzled dome
I think I might try Master Death Mode and just expect to die a lot. Master Mode stuff seems fun, especially the ways in which it's not all negative (i.e. defense matters more, get an extra accessory slot... that one in particular gives me more room to play with builds, even if the game's still harder on the whole).
wide river
I think I might try Master Death Mode and just expect to die a lot. Master Mode...
I'm not trying to dissuade you, but the accessory slot that master mode gives you is the same one that moon lord gives in other difficulties
glass arch
its mainly useful early game
wide river
Ye
It just changes when you get the slot
I realize there isn't really much to talk about from my suggestion
drowsy plank
i play in death by default
it really isnt that bad
frankly i hoped they'd eventually reimplement the weather but less shit some day
there were talks about that
calamity making difficulty changes to the rest of the world are some of my favorite since a ton of mods are mostly boss focused
and like the world gen changes are a good first step towards more non-boss content and difficulty
serene tendon
calamity making difficulty changes to the rest of the world are some of my favor...
I know, right! It's so dumb that they removed the heat, cold and thunder mechanics
serene tendon
nah i get it bc their old implementation was ass
They were good concepts, Rework > Remove
wide river
calamity making difficulty changes to the rest of the world are some of my favor...
Yes, adding non boss content is nice, but not when it has the same execution as half of GFB's "difficulty"
drowsy plank
it really wasn't
wide river
Sorry, I wasn't referring to the weather
drowsy plank
in fact it was removed for being too easy to circumvent and also, again, just looking like shit lol
wide river
I was referring to the thorns
drowsy plank
i think that's fine
gives at least some penalty to them
like 90% of us dont just fuckin walk through those things most of the time
swift wharf
the only problem is that theyre half assed
drowsy plank
thorns when i swing a pickaxe
serene tendon
gives at least some penalty to them
Yeah, the only thing thorns and spikes are good for is triggering dodges, without Cal's addition
drowsy plank
the only problem is that theyre half assed
exactly
swift wharf
like a lot of other features but anyways they could add more of those again
drowsy plank
@wide river that's not even true medicated bandage is like super easy to get, and again, you can just. swing your pick to break them really quickly. id focus more on the fact it still barely punishes the player, and id honestly wouldnt mind a lil bit of a rework so thorns actually feel like something worth noticing
crude geode
~~like a lot of other features~~ but anyways they could add more of those again
They will not because the cal devs HATE fun and unique things 😤
drowsy plank
otherwise yeah just emphasize the pointlessness
crude geode
They are simply here to oppress gamers
drowsy plank
They will not because the cal devs HATE fun and unique things 😤
that's why the removed the shivs. because they hate fun
and everyone loved the shivs, that's why they saw so much usage
wide river
<@862493534950785036> that's not even true medicated bandage is like super easy ...
By the point you can get medicated bandage, you have wings
wide river
fledgling wings
drowsy plank
it's like silk and a health pot lmao
wouldnt that be
more of a reason the player does have ways to get around them then, anyway??
drowsy plank
there are def reasons to kill or rework it, so it's good to at least be accurate lol
fair enough
grim tangle
What if the astral infection could land in the jungle biome? It's the biggest biome, meaning it would barely be touched while biomes like the snow biome would get less abuse from infection. I think having an infected hive would look really cool, although changing the look of the honey might be a pain. The living mahogany trees would look wicked if they could become monoliths.
glass arch
ye 1.4.4 is probably gonna have astral be able to land in the jungle
drowsy plank
astral plantera
glass arch
god no
wide river
astral plantera <:godoftroll:1064989942159249488>
Every idea on the Terraria fan idea wiki be like
glass arch
if anything itd just be plantera in the astral
bc cryo works the same in the astral as it does out of the astral
drowsy plank
it'd be funny if they had visual changes like deus in calval's astral blight, but yeah
ashen warren
<@456226577798135808> what hell farming do you need to do that the other 2/3rds ...
I thought we were wanting to remove content lol
not add
golden sonnet
Making a biome slightly smaller has nothing to do with removing bloat.
ashen warren
IK
floral yoke
The underworld is already so big as is
half imp
Adding content is fine
floral yoke
Even on Medium size
half imp
just as long as it's content that's useful and good
ashen warren
What about other mods that take some of the underworld?
floral yoke
Don't really know many aside from Infernum, but they usually don't touch the middle of the underworld if i'm not mistaken
oblique light
I think the crag is bigger than it needs to be, but I don't see why it'd need to be smaller.
worldly basalt
how about make it so prov enemies can't spawn in brimstone
unless they did that already but i didn't notice
floral yoke
Plus Calamity doesn't really pair well with big content mods
oblique light
They didn't.
floral yoke
It works but still a little iffy
swift wharf
What about other mods that take some of the underworld?
fuck'em
make a biome somewhere else
swift wharf
thorium doesnt have a hell biome checkmate
swift wharf
oh yae true
drowsy plank
like just do that if you wanna be cal compatible bro
drowsy plank
so true
swift wharf
your mod doesnt work with calamity, simply your problem 
drowsy plank
LITERALLY
golden sonnet
thorium and cal just made sure to use opposite oceans
but what if there's a third mod that has the totally unique idea of putting a biome under the ocean, and I want to play all 3 of these content mods together
drowsy plank
third ocean
swift wharf
we live in a society where you NEED to make your mod work with calamity otherwise john fabsol will summon his 1.5 million subscribers to complain that your mod doesnt work with calamitymodnomusic
but it's fine to ask for calamity work to some worldgen, like mor for example
this suggestion just sucks tho
😊
undone cedar
this suggestion just sucks tho
True!
The underworld stretches across the entire map the crag does not do that much
ashen warren
NOT REAL SUGGESTION: give me admin so i can destroy er i mean enhance your server.
golden sonnet
Mod applications are open, feel free to submit one
undone cedar
Wow thank you for telling me its not a real suggestion i wouldnt have known otherwise
orchid briar
Feel free to not submit one actually
golden sonnet
Feel free to not submit one actually
It's ok, we can rely on the application process
ashen warren
Wow thank you for telling me its not a real suggestion i wouldnt have known othe...
Do you feel mentally enhanced? In that case CALL ENH-ANC-EDDD
undone cedar
Do you feel mentally enhanced? In that case CALL ENH-ANC-EDDD
No
ashen warren
😐
golden sonnet
Smh, how am I suppose to call a bunch of letters
errant bobcat
Man don’t know about the letters on keypad
golden sonnet
Man don’t know about the letters on keypad
That is the joke
ashen warren
Smh, how am I suppose to call a bunch of letters <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
HACK REALALITY
worldly basalt
keypad? no thats for numbers. you have to type the leter butotons
errant bobcat
Ah yes, let me hook my keyboard up to my rotary phone
worldly basalt
Ah yes, let me hook my keyboard up to my rotary phone
your phone doesnt already have a keyboard? why not
ashen warren
physical keyboard
not virtual LOL
I can put windows 10 on my phone
Steamdeck basically
worldly basalt
yea physical keyboard thats what i'm saying
ashen warren
HAHAHA FLIP PHONE
worldly basalt
flip phone >>>>> smart phone 😤
ashen warren
flip phone ->TORNADO ANGER<-smart phone
scarlet sand
my Calamity wont download can someone help?
lost valley
glass arch
this might just be because they havent gotten the tile sprites finished yet
magic bolt
Lmao just for fun, why not give duststorm in a bottle a tooltip of
"I got a jar of dirt, I got a jar of dirt, and guess what's inside it?"
Not rlly dirt but the jar on pirates of the carribean does look like sand inside
glass arch
eh thats just a reference for the sake of references
magic bolt
Ik
drowsy plank
another "this is prolly cause the art server hasnt made one yet"
small timber
And time for it to get 250 votes, marked as good and then wait for random amount of time between 2 days and 2 years to be implemented depending on if someone created it in art server
swift wharf
title should've stopped at floodtide
oblique geyser
Except Floodtide is actually a pretty cool weapon
swift wharf
it's literally just a sword that shoots sharks
oblique geyser
It does shoot 2 projectiles so it's already more interesting than a lot of other projectile swords
@dawn trellis other mobs can't drop bones because bones gate stuff post-Skeletron
novel belfry
maybe make them drop bones post-Skeletron
glass arch
at that point just dont make em drop bones
oblique geyser
But then the Bone Dust stuff is pre-Skeletron
glass arch
you get plenty of bones from the dungeon
wide river
But then the Bone Dust stuff is pre-Skeletron
Two of the three recipes already use bones
tardy geyser
3 recipes and 2 of them use bones anyway
wide river
And Calcium potions are sold by the skeleton merchant
blazing kettle
ancient and demonic bone ash are weird
glass arch
3 recipes and 2 of them use bones anyway
does anybody usually use calcium potions in the first place
wide river
And Calcium potions are sold by the skeleton merchant
Which in this case, I prefer to having a crafting recipe
oblique geyser
Yes
blazing kettle
they exist but they jave little to no recipes
glass arch
ancient and demonic bone ash are weird
demonic is fine, its used for more stuff than ancient
oblique geyser
Calcium potions are useful
blazing kettle
how much more?
glass arch
over double (7 total)
wide river
demonic is fine, its used for more stuff than ancient
Yeah, demonic can make zerg potions and the demon conch
Two very useful items
novel belfry
their literal only use that doesn't have bones is CALCIUM POTION. Yknow, that one potion that should've been removed among the potion genocide... and yet didn't cause they didn't realize Bundle of Horseshoe Balloons existed
tardy geyser
^
glass arch
calcium potion would be fine to only be sold by skeleton merchant tbh
tardy geyser
I use calcium pots with bob but that will soon be redundant
wide river
calcium potion would be fine to only be sold by skeleton merchant tbh
Considering it actually makes some sense for him to sell it, unlike pretty much every other potion seller, ye
blazing kettle
defo more useful but you could cut it for something else
glass arch
even if they didnt remove the potion entirely just making it be a sold only item would be good
glass arch
defo more useful but you could cut it for something else
the issue is what youd replace it with
could just do normal ass ash
blazing kettle
yeah
wide river
could just do normal ass ash
That'd be somewhat boring, but it could work
tardy geyser
Ash wood maybe?
blazing kettle
gfb exclusive
tardy geyser
No? just plant acorns on ash I thought
blazing kettle
devils sunrise and zerg pot are the only two recipes thst im having trouble replacing demonic ash with
glass arch
That'd be somewhat boring, but it could work
well itd give ash more than 2 recipes
blazing kettle
maybe a witherflower (or whatever flower from the evil biome is) for zerg
glass arch
deathbloom?
wide river
devils sunrise can just do without the ash
I thought we weren't supposed to change donor item recipes
blazing kettle
wait thats a donor item?
blazing kettle
huh
cobalt pewter
fishing bad
wide river
gfb exclusive
Ash wood is not seed-locked. It can be acquired in any seed.
cobalt pewter
fishing is not fun (even with the "QoL" most mods do) and shouldn't really have any exclusives
wide river
fishing is not fun (even with the "QoL" most mods do) and shouldn't really have ...
If the chance was massively buffed, it could work. But as it is, yeah
small timber
how hard will be fishing be?
wide river
especially early game
I only ever fish in Hardcore, personally
small timber
chances are if it is not 0.1% drop chance you fish it up in like 5 minutes
wide river
I'm pretty sure fishing only gets its bad rep cause of the angler
small timber
yeah it really is like, not hard at that stage
it is more that pre-HM and early HM is obnoxious (because those are when fishing is most useful and you have the most thing you do want to fish while having the weakest rod)
cobalt pewter
I never said it's hard
I even mentioned QoLs, which crazily speed up fishing because lol (like mutant (does mutant?))
fervent orbit
yes mutant
small timber
or rather it can take 5 minutes only instead of 10 minutes (which is why I suggested multirod to be earlier)
wide river
I never said it's hard
I even mentioned QoLs, which crazily speed up fishing be...
There's also one that lets you have 200 lures
cobalt pewter
it's just a functionally garbage feature that shouldn't have any exclusives
and it just so happens that the weapon in question is also needed for another weapon
wide river
There's also one that lets you have 200 lures
Multiple Lures, I think it's called
cobalt pewter
it's probably a personal tick of mine but fishing is just outrageously dumb
when compared to fishing in other games
fervent orbit
holy shit waiting for 5 minutes
god forbid we grind for items that take longer
every 10% drop:
cobalt pewter
it's not relaxing pressing buttons every a few seconds and doing nothing else in-between
it tries to be relaxing but it really isn't
and it's just fuckin dumb
wide river
god forbid we grind for items that take longer
Insert the 2024 copypasta
small timber
I just realise this probably will not even take 5 minute
small timber
you just have to know the condition and chances are you get it super fast
tawdry sundial
it's not relaxing pressing buttons every a few seconds and doing nothing else in...
Gaming be like
cobalt pewter
if I really need to fish I just use autofish because it actually makes fishing not annoying at least
tawdry sundial
Literally how to play a game
fervent orbit
you dont even have to waste bait with sonar
cobalt pewter
Gaming be like
tawdry sundial
Lmao
small timber
you can completely disregard bait consumption because post-Plantera Merchant just sell it, and you get a shit ton of bait from angler quest now
cobalt pewter
byeah statistically it's not hard
small timber
woah you get fishing gear from the angler NPC?
cobalt pewter
it's just fundamentally annoying to me that a dumb minigame can potentially have exclusives tied to other things
small timber
exclusivity on something that have no fundamental impact on your gameplay nor is mandatory
swift wharf
remove floodtide and remove ancient bone dust and if you wanna keep calcium potions just make them use fossils instead
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
small timber
it is floodtide that is locked behind fishing not the profaned core
cobalt pewter
remove floodtide and remove ancient bone dust and if you wanna keep calcium poti...
true!!!!!1!11!
swift wharf
goofy ahh sword used in terratomere because relic of old cal issue n3239103
drowsy plank
calcium potions post-Skeletron 
swift wharf
kill calcium potions too because accessories exist
drowsy plank
true
cobalt pewter
I'm probably just a bit irrationally angry over terraria fishing because it's just objectively so fuckin boring compared to fishing in other games
it's kinda like most terraria aspects actually
awesome
cobalt pewter
kill calcium potions too because accessories exist
honestly I could see this, considering cal gives a recipe to horseshoe
blazing kettle
minecraft isnt any better
cobalt pewter
why is there a need for calcium potion when you can just make horseshoe early on
fervent orbit
minecraft isnt any better
worse* there isnt any mechanic to it
just put mending on ur rod and done, infinite rod
blazing kettle
the fish you cstch cant be killed
swift wharf
- theres actual exploration in the sea
imo it is better than terraria
🤏
but better
blazing kettle
theres rarely any interesting sights in the minecraft ocean though
swift wharf
idk buddy have you seen a coral reef
blazing kettle
when there is though, i gotta admit, is pretty
swift wharf
anyways kill boring stuff yes yes
blazing kettle
unrelated but have meterials been removed from donor items before?
fervent orbit
does exploring the ocean count as fishing
blazing kettle
does exploring the ocean count as fishing
fishing with these hands
fervent orbit
probably
swift wharf
unrelated but have meterials been removed from donor items before?
I think so, yes
distant gyro
yes
swift wharf
distant gyro
usually it's with permission
sometimes it just undergoes natural transition of the mod (ie. obviously moon energy/ase)
ripe owl
Catalyst's recipe was insane before
glass arch
yeah catalyst's old recipe was beeg
blazing kettle
well i ask because alongside normal bone ash in the most recent sugg, i think demonic bone ash should get removed as well
they both dont have many recipes (9 in total) and they can easily be replaced with normal ash or essences/cores
swift wharf
it could be replaced with crag materials
glass arch
wait did we even bring up the fact that etomer is also a donor item
blazing kettle
that too
swift wharf
!wiki scorched bone
red stormBOT
blazing kettle
etomer?
glass arch
ye
swift wharf
!wiki the etomer
glass arch
!wiki the etomer
blazing kettle
oh yeah that
glass arch
oh wait its not a donor item its a dev item
blazing kettle
why does that have demonic bone ash
halcyon zealot
kinda offtopic but I like the 58 to 66 damage buff for Planetary Annihilation, something around a 14% base damage buff
it now has a bit better dps than SDMG (with Terra / Holy Fire bullets)
not the best dps ranger can get at that tier, but the homing makes up for it
halcyon zealot
As for the Blissful Bombardier buff sugg
Base Damage buffs are boring, it doesn't really give the weapon a unique identity/purpose (such as boss killing versus event killing)
half imp
it's still not that strong on bosses either iirc
but this is totally a #1042197406776827914 thing
halcyon zealot
I tested both weapons against moon lord with the same setups and got a 1:30 time for both weapons
Moon Lord is vulnerable to Holy Fire & has high defense
half imp
why on moon lord
halcyon zealot
shall I move it there?
half imp
Yea probably
drowsy plank
scorched bone is kinda the perfect item to replace it tbh
true!!! that would be so cool actually replacing the bone ashes with the funny hell bone trees
also someone should prolly flag the blissful sugg unless @halcyon zealot is willing to delete it since balance suggs are against the rules lol
also frankly all "sky" weapons should just work like starfury at this point tbh
grizzled dome
How should I word a suggestion for "add literally any whip but especially a post-moonlord one"? Because I didn't realize until now that none of those existed.
or is that already known and On The Docket?
worldly basalt
they're working on it
thorn dock
Are there plans about reskinning omega blue/ especially the tentacles? Did suggestions about it already pass?
cobalt pewter
it's not exactly a resprite in traditional terms but
#suggestions-voting message
and it's approved
thorn dock
Ah nice^_^ hm its 5months+ old, one can still hope I guess
hollow ridge
That'd fit in balance suggs @clear yacht
clear yacht
I seee
hollow ridge
wide river
I got an idea to give the Archmage more of a use
What if we gave him a mana refill feature, similar to the Nurse's healing?
swift wharf
i don't see how a mana refill would be any useful
wide river
A mid fight refill, if someone's mana regen is really slow and they don't like to use mana flowers
wide river
mana potions:
Would you prefer he continues to just be yet another shop of mid weapons?
swift wharf
but that's just not worth it
I mean there are
better ways to make him useful
and turning him into a worse mana pot is not one of them
golden sonnet
mana also takes like less than 2 seconds to fully regen when still
swift wharf
i remember a suggestion about connecting him to mana upgrades but i dont think it got approved
wide river
i remember a suggestion about connecting him to mana upgrades but i dont think i...
Actually, that sounds so much better than my idea
Maybe it could be like how the Party Girl gives cake during a party, where the Archmage gives them to the player after talking to him once conditions are met
wide river
I like the idea behind this suggestion
Although, making it entirely prevent the player from using mana potions for such a long time would essentially ruin mana flowers
serene tendon
Although, making it entirely prevent the player from using mana potions for such...
Mana Flowers could become the Philosopher's Stones for Mana Sickness
wide river
Oh, that'd be a really cool fix!
serene tendon
I'll add that, thank you
wide river
Yeah, that looks good!
drowsy plank
reworking chaos stone again 
wide river
Chaos Stone wasn't mentioned in the suggestion, I don't think
If Mana Sickness got reworked, it would still just get replaced with Mana Burn, no?
wide river
I think that message couldn't be in a less relevant channel
wide river
@hollow shell Sorry for the ping but we got a sitch on our hands
frosty trellis
So @serene tendon , the problem with your suggestion is that some weapons become literally unusable with Mana flower
Any prism weapons gets completely fucked
Aetherflux Cannon relies heavily on it
Heresy and Rancor also needs it since continuous use
To name a few examples off of my head
wide river
So <@798699298064695306> , the problem with your suggestion is that some weapons...
Oh right, the rapid fire weapons
frosty trellis
Dark Spark takes like a full 20 seconds to build up and drains the shit out of your mana as well
Serpentine also needs Mana flower due to the really fast fire rate and needing to keep as many of it's projectiles.on screen as possible to compensate for it's low base damage
Staff of the Blushie becomes a useless dev tier weapon because it needs Mana flower
wide river
The suggestion itself is not inherently breaking a rule, it just might not get implemented exactly as the example gives
blazing kettle
now thats a first
frosty trellis
I just flat out think reworking how Mana sickness works is just a bad idea
And makes some weapons literally unusable
hollow ridge
This is not videos posting goofy
blazing kettle
i know mans is desperate to have their channel kick off but here is not the place for it
hollow ridge
🤦♂️
wide river
They posted it in like four other channels too
golden sonnet
its spam and self advertising, so breaking multiple rules
wide river
I pinged rover 10 minutes ago but they're idle
novel belfry
Yup
wide river
Ok, the channels they've posted the link in are #suggestions-posting, #suggestions-discussion, #general-talk, and #general-media
karmic stone
@snow stump Don't do that
blazing kettle
because of spam and self advertising
snow stump
can you like
karmic stone
Move on
karmic stone
Move on
snow stump
i am newbie youtube
karmic stone
Warned, move on
novel belfry
This sounds an awful lot like younger me on discord
wide river
I don't think it breaks any rules, it just likely won't pass
wide river
I also love how this suggestion is already the top suggestion of the group
#suggestions-voting message
serene tendon
So <@798699298064695306> , the problem with your suggestion is that some weapons...
Prism weapons (and other weapons that need to charge) could be made to not use up mana when charging, and get a big enough damage buff to compensate for the downtime
A valid concern, but I think it could be solved as simply as that
golden sonnet
Chaos stone is also planned/in the works to be getting an upgrade line
frosty trellis
Yeah
Because it needs to be a sidegrade to the Mana flower
Because it's currently rarely worth it ATM
Except with certain prism and continuous use weapons
serene tendon
Tf do you do with it
Do we need to do anything with it? If you really want to mana potion spam so bad you take self damage, I say go ahead.
Maybe buff the self-damage a bit, Idk
frosty trellis
You act like you actually take that much damage from chaos Stone
If you aren't in death your natural life Regen from gear and potions and shit is pretty much enough to counteract the debuff
And even in death it isn't horrible
serene tendon
Hah, I haven't used Chaos Stone, I always assumed it was significant
Sounds like we just need to make it significant
frosty trellis
If you aren't on death it rarely is if at all
It just doesn't really.... Do a lot
The dps increase outside of certain weapons is negligible because you are sacrificing something like another emblem or good offensive accessory for it
golden sonnet
Chaos stone before was just worse astral injection as it took an accessory, unsure now that injection is nerfed
frosty trellis
I think it's more just
Chaos Stone needs it's own line to be useful
And Mana sickness doesn't need to be reworked really since it generally isn't nearly that bad
serene tendon
The dps increase outside of certain weapons is negligible because you are sacrif...
It would be if Mana Sickness didn't decrease damage. We just need to make the self damage more relevant too
frosty trellis
why did my suggestion get a 🗜️ emoji by a bot
Formatting is wrong
Also your suggestion is a don't because it's a server suggestion and this is a terraria mod not a mc thing
serene tendon
why did my suggestion get a 🗜️ emoji by a bot
That means that since it's only one line long, the bot won't be able to identify it as a sugg
spring otter
Formatting is wrong
Also your suggestion is a don't because it's a server sugge...
where do i post it then?
serene tendon
where do i post it then?
Just don't
frosty trellis
It would be if Mana Sickness didn't decrease damage. We just need to make the se...
No I've literally done tests
Chaos Stone is flat out worse than an emblem for most weapons save for stuff like Dark Spark, Aetherflux Cannon, Yharims Crystal and Staff of the Blushie off the top of my head
frosty trellis
where do i post it then?
You don't
It's a terraria mod
Mc doesn't matter here at all
spring otter
It's a terraria mod
but that doesnt mean there shouldnt be a mc server
frosty trellis
This isn't related to mc
It's
A
Mod
For
Terraria
It's focused on that for a reason
It doesn't need an mc server nor is there any reason for there to be one
spring otter
It's
A
Mod
For
***Terraria***
It's focused on that for a reason
i know
frosty trellis
There is no reason for there to be anything mc related here
At all
So go somewhere else if you want something mc related
serene tendon
No I've literally done tests
Chaos Stone is flat out worse than an emblem for mo...
So this change... wouldn't effect Chaos Stone?
frosty trellis
If you changed it yes it would because it would make it just flat out bad
serene tendon
but that doesnt mean there shouldnt be a mc server
If you want an mc server go play Hypixel
frosty trellis
It would be effectively a worthless item instead of a niche one
spring otter
hypixel is laggy
serene tendon
hypixel is laggy
Then go play CubeCraft, AntiAC or something
swift wharf
The suggestions of all time
wide river
The suggestions of all time
Today's just not the day for suggestions it seems
wide river
It does that whenever big updates roll around
Also I'm not referring to yours, Mewk
Yours is fine
serene tendon
It would be effectively a worthless item instead of a niche one
What if it was reworked to increase the amount of mana gained by drinking mana potions, and/or reduce mana usage, but damaged you whenever you use a mana potion?
swift wharf
I don't think
I don't think that reworking something because you're reworking a mechanic is a good idea
frosty trellis
What if it was reworked to increase the amount of mana gained by drinking mana p...
Not really going to work since we have the vanilla hardcap of 550 Mana anyways so it doesn't really work out late game when you are chugging 400 Mana pots
swift wharf
I feel like mage has more issues
and mana sickness is not one of them
and "mana sickness has no connection with potion sickness" is a weak argument ngl
frosty trellis
Yeah
swift wharf
and the reason why mana sickness reduces damage
is so you don't spam potions with no downside
because what would be the point of mana regen
grim tusk
@serene tendon big scale rework + why we should do it? + address chaos stone + manual mana potions + astral injection
serene tendon
<@798699298064695306> big scale rework + why we should do it? + address chaos st...
Is it really a big scale rework? It's only like 5 items
grim tusk
Reworking how mana pots work affects mage in its entirety