suggestions-discussion

[ornate kestrel]

Not everyone

[north oracle]

a decent impression of fights is how long nohits take, but SCal is certainly not that hard

[ornate kestrel]

Just those who are coping

[alpine dawn]

Seriously, I always get annoyed when people are like "remove (x) because it cheeses fight"
Just don't use it?

[sly axle]

ong

[ornate kestrel]

It can be used by players who are worse

[alpine dawn]

Take a shot every time someone with a nohit role says "skill issue"

[north oracle]

indeed

[alpine dawn]

Like, I could get it if it was something you'd be likely to come across in a normal pt

But if it's some obscure, like

Fucking konami code on penumbra pots type shit

[hollow shell]

Needing to account for every single Luigi% setup because "look! if you do this really specific thing that requires a lot of setup and knowledge then you can beat the fight 'without doing anything'! this isn't balanced!"

[north oracle]

a rev nohit isn't even hard if you spend timee playing the game regularly for a while, it really doesn't mean much

[ornate kestrel]

I don't bother trying

[north oracle]

so based

[hollow shell]

I am ranting now and we're goin offtopic from suggs, my apologies

[alpine dawn]

I mean, it's still a Convo so

[ornate kestrel]

Oh yes

[north oracle]

good thing you're an admin

[alpine dawn]

Doesn't matter imo. But I'm not a mod, so

[fervent orbit]

bruh i dont check suggestions for 40 mins since nothing happened in like 2 hrs

[north oracle]

and there's a whole conversation

[fervent orbit]

wtf happened

[sly axle]

i happened

[north oracle]

rover showed up

[sly axle]

all cuz i read the wrong wiki

[ornate kestrel]

Discussed the disgrace and mistake of what happened with malice

It technically had potential

But

It's gone for now

[north oracle]

then got onto nohit clique behaviour

[alpine dawn]

Play Infernum now

[north oracle]

yes

[alpine dawn]

(I do not like the final few bosses)

[ornate kestrel]

DoG is annoying

But besides that

[alpine dawn]

I don't like the DoG fight
Yharon is good in the bullet hell segments, but I'm not a fan of the dash spam

[north oracle]

They get easier after him imo

Dash hot key help with yhorn apparently

[ornate kestrel]

DoG is the biggest road block

[alpine dawn]

I don't like how there are just random extreme difficulty spikes

[ornate kestrel]

Wait

This is off topic

Oh well

[north oracle]

There’s only really polter and skeletron that are huge spikes

[ornate kestrel]

You forgot DoG

[fervent orbit]

for no reason*

[alpine dawn]

Mfw mach 9 dash that does 700 damage

[north oracle]

It’s not a huge spike after polter

[north oracle]

True

[hollow shell]

Dash spam looks cool at least
really feels like you're clashing with DoG, as opposed to his weirdly passive nature in base Calamity (laser walls)

I'll see how it feels when I fight Infernum DoG in like a year

[alpine dawn]

I don't like DoG in base cal either

[north oracle]

Good plan

[alpine dawn]

For being such an arrogant, monsoon wannabe prick, he's such a fucking coward

[sly axle]

whats dash spam

[north oracle]

I love Infernum DoG, find him way more fun

[ornate kestrel]

It does feel more included

But

[fervent orbit]

it looks cool, it feels like a rhythm game

[ornate kestrel]

He is much more difficult

[north oracle]

It is Infernum

[alpine dawn]

I'm mainly mad at DoG because 300 inf attempts

[hollow shell]

go experience it for yourself ;) ;) ;)

[alpine dawn]

[north oracle]

Almost all the bosses are harder in Infernum

[sly axle]

this convo scares me lol

[fervent orbit]

i love how fast they made inf dog tho

its like a minute long fight

[sly axle]

ima try full calamity with no qol, wish me luck

[ornate kestrel]

Infernum DoG is better but kicks your ass

[north oracle]

You should go fight Infernum DoG

It’s a great idea

[ornate kestrel]

Have fun 🙂

[sly axle]

yeah infernum gonna be scary

[alpine dawn]

Infernum really knocks it out of the park, especially with the Mechs, EoL, etc. Then, it drops the ball with Plantera, AS (receiving a rework thankfully) Brimmy, and some others

[sly axle]

is it possible to do ftw infernum

[north oracle]

Plant is pretty good honestly

[north oracle]

No.

[sly axle]

what if i try

[north oracle]

Why would you want to tho

[ornate kestrel]

I love the exo mehcs

Tho

[sly axle]

im a masochist, ig

[alpine dawn]

You also gotta love how useless the blasted tophat is
It just stops giving you advice

[north oracle]

Infernum doesn’t allow FTW to be on at the same time as it

[sly axle]

oh really

damn

[hollow shell]

Yeah I can't imagine that it would even work properly

[fervent orbit]

same with master

[ornate kestrel]

Same*

[hollow shell]

Infernum bosses are really significantly reprogrammed

[sly axle]

so theyre really that different?

[ornate kestrel]

They did it well

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[north oracle]

Way way different

[sly axle]

cuz death/ftw works

[north oracle]

It’s quite a lot

[fervent orbit]

if i knew how to do boss ai i would totally try to do ftw infernum addon

[north oracle]

Oh no

[north oracle]

Get doze to

[fervent orbit]

honestly god is sparing you for making me not able to code

[ornate kestrel]

Sadly, infernum will only get updates to make sure it still works with calamity

😦

[hollow shell]

Yeah Dom is uhh

[north oracle]

After AEW rework update

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

[north oracle]

Done with terraria

[hollow shell]

Well he was one of the devs that left the Calamity team as mentioned earlier

[alpine dawn]

Can't blame em really

[ornate kestrel]

As soon as I'm done with infernum

I'm going to thorium

[north oracle]

He’s said a few times that he’s had enough with terraria in general and wants to move on to other projects

[ornate kestrel]

And I won't be back until the next big update

[hollow shell]

Thorium is cool
Get a friend, play Healer

[sly axle]

do you need subworld library for infernum

[alpine dawn]

Calamity has a lot of catching up to do

[north oracle]

Yes

[ornate kestrel]

Calamity sure does

[hollow shell]

If you do, you literally physically won't be able to play it without it

[sly axle]

it takes you to different worlds in boss fights or sum?

[ornate kestrel]

Only 1

[grim tusk]

yes

[hollow shell]

spoilers

[alpine dawn]

To meet the quality of new mods

[ornate kestrel]

And it's a boss added by infernum

[sly axle]

dont say which

[north oracle]

Only it’s Infernum exclusive one

[ornate kestrel]

That's all I'll say

[sly axle]

wait

oh shi

[north oracle]

You’ll see it if you get that far

[ornate kestrel]

It's cool

[sly axle]

i will dw

[north oracle]

Very fun fight

[ornate kestrel]

Unique

[north oracle]

^

[sly axle]

why does the drunk princess never have an accurate death count btw

[ornate kestrel]

It has great weapons btw

You'll love them

Just

[fervent orbit]

just for the session

[ornate kestrel]

You need to beat it to even test them

[sly axle]

fr?

[hollow shell]

I don't know actually
There's some technical explanation for it though

[fervent orbit]

its not going to be fixed since nurse can do that

[sly axle]

nurse can tell you how many times you died?

[fervent orbit]

1.4.4 yea

[sly axle]

ah but tmod loader still in 1.4.3

[hollow shell]

Yeah.

It's taking em quite a while to port but it's alright

[ornate kestrel]

Tmod loader will get there

[sly axle]

soon

[fervent orbit]

ok but this update is going to be for 1.4.4 ACTUALLY this time

[sly axle]

hopefully

[ornate kestrel]

Hopefully

[north oracle]

Nah they’ll postpone again

[glass arch]

eventually the next update will be for 1.4.4

[sly axle]

in 2024

[glass arch]

it just depends on how many updates is between this next update and that next update

[ornate kestrel]

That's when calamity gets it's next big update probably

[drowsy plank]

tmodloader for terraria 1.5 /s

[north oracle]

We could be waiting a few years

[fervent orbit]

honestly i can see that coming before 1.4.4 actually releasing

[sly axle]

does infernum work in multiplayer

[fervent orbit]

yea

[glass arch]

yes

[sly axle]

okay thats good

[ornate kestrel]

It didn't for the longest time

[glass arch]

beware of some funky worm shenanigans and uhhh beware of golems deathray

[ornate kestrel]

And uh

Lot's of dying

[glass arch]

i think the prov bug has been fixed but im not sure

[fervent orbit]

prepare for sans boss

[ornate kestrel]

Shush

No spoiling the funny change

[fervent orbit]

i never said which one it was

[half imp]

and terraria's had their final update

[fervent orbit]

it would be rlly funny of red decided to release 1.5 same day as tml releasing 1.4.4 just to troll tml devs

[small timber]

"we revamped the entire game engine for 1.5 release, I heard you love porting"

[half imp]

"we heard you wanted terraria 2, so we rewrote the whole engine from scratch and are making it update 2.0"

it also now runs in java or something

[grim tusk]

The one after the hotfix, YES

[drowsy plank]

javascript terraria...

[grim tusk]

@north briar literally got accepted today my guy

[drowsy plank]

@north briar here

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message

[drowsy plank]

lol

[north briar]

Thank god

[atomic shell]

who is ___ and why do they keep posting nothing

[drowsy plank]

hm

[distant gyro]

warmth is gaining a monopoly over hand warmer tbh

[drowsy plank]

i mean

considering the potion gives you immunity to glacial state and hand warmer doesnt

i wasn't even really considering hand warmer because it's just

Bad

[blazing kettle]

counterpoint: buff handwarmer and subsequent upgrades to be resistant to this single debuff

[drowsy plank]

what

me when hand warmer gives me a Warmth buff immunity

im gonna be honest

this wasn't even my original intention

i just kind of

assumed it already did that

[blazing kettle]

i may have made a typo

[drowsy plank]

lmao

i originally came in here to suggest getting more potions like (how i proposed it would work) Warmth to help expand on the advanced debuff system more cause i thought it would be neat to expand upon the defensive side of how the system works instead of just "Niche Bad Accessory #18357 Now Makes You Entirely Immune To One Debuff"

also Exo Freeze, Frostbite, Frostburn, Nightwither, and Temporal Sadness are not a "single debuff" lmao

[half imp]

uh

are any of those besides frostburn and nightwither able to be inflicted on player

[drowsy plank]

no idea tbh

id have to look

[half imp]

without multiplayer pvp

i don't think they are

[fervent orbit]

cryogen might inflict frostbite

[drowsy plank]

frostbite doesnt have a calamity page yet

regardless anahita, aurora spirit, cryo slime, cryogen, cryon, ravager's flame pillar???, ice clasper, rimehound, and torch god all inflict frostburn

[fervent orbit]

ig nothing in cal inflicts it

[blazing kettle]

iant frostburn a more powerful frostbite

[drowsy plank]

frostbite is the stronger one

[half imp]

other way around

[blazing kettle]

oh

funky

[half imp]

temporal sadness and exo freeze are boss stun debuffs

[drowsy plank]

regardless there's a non-zero number of NPCs that inflict cold debuffs and the fact it doesn't already do this despite the caption is weird lol

[half imp]

yeah

i mean

it does reduce damage from cold sources

just not cold debuffs

me when 30% adr vs EVERY cryogen attack

[drowsy plank]

lmao

it is weird that warmth is so much stronger than hand warmer despite hand warmer being the accessory

you'd think it'd be the stronger one

but nope

[swift wharf]

lmao

[hollow shell]

ehh it's fine in terms of flow/phrasing

I'd be more concerned with it still harping on the Twins's motif even after all our attempts to separate her from them

[dense ferry]

That could work too

Infact it would be preferred

[north oracle]

It is very similar to the twins one

[drowsy plank]

give her a completely new line lmao

is she still nighttime restricted too?

[glass arch]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

why?? literally 0 lore reason lmao

[swift wharf]

because twins

[fossil finch]

technically

[drowsy plank]

yes that is why i think that should be killed

[fossil finch]

they already canonized unique ai with od

they could do it again

[grim tusk]

@worldly sparrow Calamity does add SEVERAL rocket launchers

[worldly sparrow]

wait, really?

how did i miss that

[glass arch]

yeah lol

[worldly sparrow]

shit

[grim tusk]

!wiki rocket launchers

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ranged_weapons
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page rocket launchers for a direct link or !wiki search rocket launchers for a list of all hits.

[worldly sparrow]

no need to even keep it in the channel

im takin this L

[grim tusk]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Launchers @worldly sparrow

[worldly sparrow]

although calamity does not add more ammo

[grim tusk]

We already need to rebalance every rocket launcher due to mini nukes lol

[worldly sparrow]

oh damn, they're really that op?

[grim tusk]

Yes

[worldly sparrow]

ok yeah 75 base damage is a yikes

[glass arch]

just the increase from rocket 3/4s is insane

10 extra base damage in exchange for some shroomite?

[worldly sparrow]

dont 3s and 4s have the same base damage

?

[glass arch]

yes

[worldly sparrow]

i think you're talking about the 4 to mini nuke 1

[glass arch]

i was talking about 3/4s to mini nukes

[worldly sparrow]

oh yeah

i though you meant the increase from rocket 3 to rocket 4

[glass arch]

yeah nah

[grim tusk]

Even number rockets have destructive properties

[grim tusk]

Yea they become stronger for just a bit of shroomite

[worldly sparrow]

i can only imagine chicken cannon with mini nuke 2s

[grim tusk]

Honestly a good nerf would be locking em until later in the game

We’ll still need to rebalance all launchers tho

[glass arch]

just imagine it with mini nuke 1s instead

[worldly sparrow]

yah like altering the recipe

mini nukes should use uelibloom imo

to craft

i think post-provi is appropriate for those monsters

[glass arch]

hold on lemme check bullets from that tier (wont be the same but itll be a decent comparison)

hmmm using uelibloom would be an overlap with mortar rounds

although that only uses rocket 4s

[worldly sparrow]

werent mortar rounds removed?

[glass arch]

no

[worldly sparrow]

oh nvm

im thinking of the magnum round

[glass arch]

not sure what to think of this sugg

[worldly sparrow]

me neither

[glass arch]

main issue is theyd have to get sprites for it

[fossil finch]

true toilet builder gains

main issue is whatever yeah i mean

its true

everything does need sprites

i think toilets should still kinda exist

[glass arch]

eh, they're debatable

[fossil finch]

stuff like plague toilet or profaned toilet would be funny as fuck thematically but who cares we already have pianos and beds of those

theyre debatable why

just because vanilla did one unfunny joke with them one time and calamity followed doesnt mean toilets are banned from existing

[glass arch]

they have reason to exist, and people have reason for not wanting them to exist

[fossil finch]

the existence of toilets does not mean the game is reduced to toilet humor

the people who do not want them to exist because "but the unfunny!!" are lame and WRONG

[glass arch]

yeah i know that

[fossil finch]

theyre just furniture

[glass arch]

im saying that just like almost any feature its debatable

[fossil finch]

its not the fault of any builder out there who wanted to do some funny plague bathroom that calamity decided to be wholly unfunny about them

[loud shore]

i...i just wanted to make bathrooms

[fossil finch]

and like

yeah that

weve gotten way worse toilet suggs before

[loud shore]

u can store people in bathrooms XD kinda funny

[fossil finch]

this is literally just someone asking for more furniture

[glass arch]

yeah

and im not saying its a bad suggestion

i was pointing out that toilets are debatable
not that i dislike them

[loud shore]

i understand hehe

i did a try here with xenolith furniture, maybe i will paint the toilet there of purple

[drowsy plank]

is tinkerer rework really not strong enough already

also ARCANE

[spice bolt]

It's nice, but if you want to get, say, Menacing on your accessories, you might have to reforge it a ton to get Menacing. You're guaranteed to not get like Spiked or something bad, but there's no set order in which you get the top-tier reforges. This would make it less random

[drowsy plank]

yes im saying

that's bad

i think leaving at least a tiny bit of randomness is fine

they already removed most of the bad stuff we dont need tinkerer to just hand it to you

[spice bolt]

Yeah that's the idea I still have, you have every kind of reforge (of course only the top tier), and it chooses a random reforge that hasn't been picked "this cycle"

[swift wharf]

unless you're the unluckiest mf in the world, you cycle through all reforges pretty quickly
already

[spice bolt]

Meaning that you can't get Lucky, Lucky Lucky, Warding, Spiked, then Menacing

Not that quickly. Like, as to which prefix you get, it's still random. I've wasted a lot of platinum just trying to get Warding or Menacing or Silent or whatever on, like, Terraspark Boots or something expensive (a lot of late-game accessories), and it's taken about 30 attempts sometimes. This way, you're guaranteed to get the one you want and if you skip past it, you only have to reforge a few more times to get back to it. It's to bring it in line with the current system for weapons: effectively no RNG, whatsoever.

At the end of the day, it's a quality of life change, its not meant to change progression or be super drastic, its meant to remove an annoying aspect of the game that does nothing to make it harder or more unique or challenging, just more annoying.

[grim tusk]

The toilet sugg could be better but its alright

Also its the first toilet sugg thats actually reasonable

And not “toilets funny ahaahahahahahah pls add”

[small timber]

"auric toilet should give +20 life regen when sit on it because late game toilet hoho haha"

[drowsy plank]

[spice bolt]

i agree pleease

[swift wharf]

auric chair

[golden sonnet]

Remove the camper, have toilets be the stationary regen items

[spice bolt]

add the toilet to the camper

[golden sonnet]

camper gets reworked to portapotty

[drowsy plank]

dont you

craft the blocks

with the plates

huh

like i think this is fine for consistency but

bro what

[glass arch]

huh

nah wulfrum plating isnt used for anything

[drowsy plank]

i meant

metal scraps

you use the scraps to make the plates which are the blocks

[worldly basalt]

most furnitures are made of the building block

wulfrum isn't

[glass arch]

no i think they're talking about the furniture blocks

and not just the actual plating

[drowsy plank]

the reasoning is awful but i think it makes sense for consistency instead

frankly i think this would prolly end up making them more costly since they would prolly still scale the furniture costs lmao

[worldly basalt]

why not just keep it the same block costs as all the other furniture in the game though

[grim tusk]

We could just increase the block yield

[distant gyro]

understandable

wulfrum furniture was made before plating existed

[drowsy plank]

lol

[thorny cloud]

Yes
Triangle made them, right?

I remember it from a few months ago

Not in here but in CalVal

[distant gyro]

yes

plating is made by heart pretty close to end of update

[thorny cloud]

Ah

I hope we get the rest of the bits for wulfrum(walls, platforms, doors)

[small timber]

@gritty tiger ^
at this point my best guess is the reason it hadnt been added is just there is no support for adding new torches to torch god's favor or something like that

[gritty tiger]

ah ok, i never saw those posts

[tepid wadi]

Correct.

[undone cedar]

Torch god stuff requires IL editing

[cobalt pewter]

I mean I'm a bit concerned if you need to wait for potion cooldown right as you started fighting hive mind

but adren is a legitimate problem yea

[dense locust]

not so much as in "you would need to" more so "you can if you happen to ever get hit in phase one"

[cobalt pewter]

none of hive mind's attacks should do more than 50% of your hp by that point in progression, unless you're in a stupid kinda difficulty stacking

(aka anything beyond rev)

but either way I can see how the passiveness of the fight can be a bit daunting

[glass arch]

phase 1 just feels like filler

[dense locust]

it does, I didn't bring it up to keep the suggestion concise, but it really bothers me how disconnected phase 1 feels from the rest of the fight

[small timber]

since P1 resembles brain of cthulhu

[cobalt pewter]

I think making p1 more concise should work if they don't wanna remove it

[small timber]

I think it should just spawn all of the blobs at once and teleport more aggressively, and once you destroyed all the blos it proceed to P2 immediately

[cobalt pewter]

like make it take way less time on the overall fight

[small timber]

instead of going through several mob spawning cycle

[glass arch]

it definitely needs to take up less time yeah

[dense locust]

that could work, if they don't want to do that they could also make it so spawning enemies happens x number of teleports automatically, regardless of hp

[small timber]

nah it wouldnt work because they capped the spawn to 1 for each type (or like 2 for creeper)

[cobalt pewter]

I think the spawns should be more aggressive as well if they really wanna keep the phase

[small timber]

so eventually they will either stop spawning or it become a dps race

just make it so P1 end quicker is probably more intuitive and less problematic

[cobalt pewter]

and maybe give it a barrier system like pillars, kill enough of the spawns and it starts its p2

[fervent orbit]

me when the boc clone acts like boc

[cobalt pewter]

true.

toning the spawns further on the aggressiveness and giving a some sort of time limit on the phase would work together

or at least only the latter works too

[fervent orbit]

clearly the best solution is to make p1 just boc

[cobalt pewter]

true

make the brain be captured by tentacles mid fight and turn it into hive mind

[glass arch]

excellent idea

unfortunately
why there boc in corruption

[dense locust]

ironically, the biggest parts of it that bug me are some of the parts where it differentiates itself from boc the most (is completely stationary post-port, hive mind just kinda sticks arround once all the minions are dead instead of going p2 immediately)

[cobalt pewter]

even just the 10s of spawn anim on Deus is already a huge boost for your first adren

mf really be giving an entire phase to work with

is it 10? Felt like 7 but lemme confirm

[[Astrum Deus]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Astrum_Deus

[cobalt pewter]

oh the wiki doesn't seem to mention the time

awesome

byeah p1 hive mind is indeed a drag

a drag that can easily be abused to get adren easily

which is why adren should be reworked

[dense locust]

no-hitters in shambles

[small timber]

this sounds like a bug

disregarding the codename (whether it is appropriate), codename should not be appearing in npc dialogue anyway

[blazing kettle]

aaaaahhhh the grammar mistakes

it hurts

[golden sonnet]

Tmodloader has not fully implemented happiness, that is why she does that

[grim tusk]

@dusty lance ^

[golden sonnet]

and it's funny

[dusty lance]

... I raise Fargo's Mods to that. They have quotes (probably the generic like quote, but one nonetheless) for the Princess about their NPCs.

[small timber]

^
disregarding whether it is possible, this belongs to bug report

[golden sonnet]

I believe you can get it to work using localization stuff based on what I've seen, but it's a fact that TML has not fully ported/implemented happiness

[fervent orbit]

either way, it doesnt belong here

[gray nebula]

a bit late for this one but

why would other mods add "mid combat" abilities that use right click

[glass arch]

overhaul iirc

[gray nebula]

theres so many weapons that use right click it doesnt sound very wise to add stuff that needs rmb

[glass arch]

or you might bind tsa's things to rclick

[golden sonnet]

Including vanilla ones, which makes me feel like this is more of an issue on the mods that add right click actions

[glass arch]

but yeah you can just unbind things from rclick

[drowsy plank]

these latest suggs sure, uh, are. they definetly do.

[swift bone]

true, while it does make it more convenient when you have a large mod like calamity changing some special abilities to other buttons could be worth while

But still ig you could just manually change the keybinds

[dense locust]

?

[gray nebula]

i will agree biome blades right click is a lil scuffy but yeai mean idk if "crossmod issues" is really what should be the main argument

[grim tusk]

The sugg is valid but im fairly certain that if it gets to dev its getting insta rejected

Also ye most mods tend to use other buttons than right click for abilities

[golden sonnet]

I just don't see how biome blade is different than any other weapon or item with a right click feature, like this is an entire mechanic with vanilla and modded item.

[swift wharf]

what vanilla weapons have right click stuff again

[drowsy plank]

what about sea's searing
or the 8 post-Golem swords with alt-fires
or Brand of the Inferno which is vanilla

just too many edge cases tbh

[swift wharf]

the suggestion is hella dumb but

[drowsy plank]

mostly OOA stuff

[swift wharf]

i dont think that the 4 sniper users will care about the right click

oh yeah ooa

🪦

[glass arch]

tome of infinite cheese
not a weapon but the whole sniper scope line

[swift wharf]

oh yea true

[drowsy plank]

brand, the tome mage weapon, other stuff im prolly forgetting

[swift wharf]

tunnel visioned into the sniper

[golden sonnet]

Brand of Inferno, Sargent united, sky dragons fury, tome of cheese, literally every non-whip summon weapon (targeting)

and utility items like shellphone (guide to critter/enviroment and encumbering stone technically fall here as well, but WHO tf has those in hotbar)

[drowsy plank]

is it the other mod that uses right click who's wrong? no, clearly it is vanilla and cal's fault

[swift wharf]

truly

add a different keybind for each weapon

[quiet kernel]

Add a keybind for each and every little thing in the game

[glass arch]

add more spaghetti to the spaghetti that is terraria code

[golden sonnet]

should I like, direct the OP to this criticism, or just kinda let it die in voting/dev review

[drowsy plank]

prolly worth telling them

[golden sonnet]

@sharp cipher I have some criticisms regarding the reasoning of your post. Adding a hot key would lead to a lot of keybind/controls bloat, and your post does not mention the large number of other calamity weapons that also have a right click function. Most importantly, vanilla also uses right click on weapon features, including all of the above listed weapons, including pretty much an entire class. Whatever mod is adding a right click feature is the one at fault, and should have a keybind for that instead, as right click weapons are a vanilla feature.

[sharp cipher]

I'm not very well versed in the ins and outs of Terraria modding, or the Terraria game overall for that matter. My thought that there might be a good way to do it that would allow rebinding in a broader sense. Or possibly change the item since the right click seems like something you prepare before combat, and not use during. To me, it would make sense to keep the RMB bind for things that are used in combat and use some other bind for "non-combat" actions.

Thank you for your criticism, it has cleared up my understanding of the issue. I will withdraw my suggestion.

[golden sonnet]

The right click is used to set elements, but is also used to switch between the two elements you can store on the sword, which is why you might use it in combat.

as certain forms might be better for certain phases, and some can be used as forms of mobility

[swift wharf]

make necro armor buff all bone ranged weapons

ez synergy

(literally just marrow)

((and fossil gear and boens

[atomic shell]

great sugg

[glass arch]

@ashen warren #1042197406776827914 exists

[dusty lance]

Also, like what? If you are struggling against a boss, go to the wiki.

LaTeX moment

[[Moon Lord]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Moon_Lord

[blazing kettle]

no ❗?

[swift wharf]

akill issue

[worldly basalt]

wait really? i've always found moon lord to be pretty easy in calam

[north oracle]

Skill issue suggestion

[blazing kettle]

@ashen warren please explain how moonlord should be nerfed and give a better reason why

[hollow shell]

Or rather explain what is particularly problematic about him

Also what difficulty mode are you playing?

[half imp]

moon lord feels easier in rev than expert imo

True eye of Cthulhu being in sync and not having deathrays is HUGE

[hollow shell]

inb4 Infernum

[golden sonnet]

They were on normal difficulty

#help-advice-read-pins message

[hollow shell]

Oh

Yeah the fight should be basically the same

And it looks like he was running an all offensive loadout and didn't know how to dodge the deathray

[glass arch]

didnt people tell him to use rod for that

[worldly basalt]

infernum ml isnt even that bad tbh

[half imp]

suggestions like that are always either infernum master FTW or normal mode I feel like

[undone cedar]

Normal mode huh

Wouldn’t moon lord be the same in that pretty much

[half imp]

yes

[glass arch]

yeah

moon lord would be exactly the same

the only difference is the gear you have available to you

[undone cedar]

Moon lord should be significantly easier then probably

[half imp]

is defense damage expert+ exclusive

if not then thats the one thing that'd make it harder

[glass arch]

i chan check

[swift wharf]

no

it's not

[undone cedar]

Shouldn’t be a huge thing still, its normal mode

[glass arch]

yeah its not

[swift wharf]

normal mode bosses do 20 damage tho

[golden sonnet]

Doesn't calamity also buff defense modifiers though? or is that higher diff only

[glass arch]

master gives you extra defense

[swift wharf]

calamity buffs player defense

with ironskin and warding

[glass arch]

and yes defense modifiers scale

[swift wharf]

it's a skill issue

why are we discussing this

[undone cedar]

Its funny

[glass arch]

yeah its a skill issue

[swift wharf]

get good

i recommend stop playing because provi is the next major boss

[glass arch]

yeah prov is a lot harder than ml

[undone cedar]

Probably need to play more vanilla

[glass arch]

vanilla moon lord sucks

[north oracle]

Little eye deathrays are awful

[undone cedar]

True!

[half imp]

the fact that the telegraph isn't practical to see

[worldly basalt]

uhm actually infernum and master can't be active at the same time 🤓

[half imp]

sucks

[half imp]

Addon mod

[drowsy plank]

the most skill issue sugg ever

[fervent orbit]

i love it when people try to criticise something without any evidence

it would be funny if i just made a new sugg saying "Buff Moonlord. he is still too easy in calamity and can still be circled"

[worldly basalt]

i should do that

also harder LC

infernum isnt enough i want more

[north oracle]

Do it

[ripe shore]

Guys, good night, i'm playing calamity with my friend, and the machs dont spawning, somebody too? help-me pls

[worldly basalt]

this probably isnt the right channel for this

[hollow shell]

#help-advice-read-pins or #1052323733961977947

[ripe shore]

ok, thank u

[loud shore]

thank u hehe

i like to decorate a lot and make houses everywhere in my world

[blazing kettle]

so this sugg really was just this giy being salty eh?

cant wait to see them come back for provi and DoG

[ripe owl]

Someone on Inf Discord was complaining about DoG being too easy

[north oracle]

They should revert it back to 1.6

[ripe owl]

And made a suggestion "Buff DoG it's too easy I've literally beat it first attempt"

[north oracle]

Ngl

[ripe owl]

He obviously was fucking

[blazing kettle]

make DoG a sore loser again

[half imp]

ok but actually

buff infernum dog tbh tbh

[glass arch]

i could see hyperiif doing this as a joke

[atomic shell]

give dog a blender

[glass arch]

best idea ever

[hollow shell]

true

[frosty trellis]

"Nerf Moonlord"
What
Moonlord in rev cal is nerfed because it doesn't have the stupid pop out eye beam that is bullshit in vanilla

[glass arch]

the person was playing on classic apparently

[hollow shell]

That's probably why he's struggling

[north oracle]

he was on classic 💀

[ripe owl]

His ass is not cooking

[frosty trellis]

(Even then expert mode ml in vanilla isn't that bad bc soaring is hilariously overpowered)

[glass arch]

classic has ass in it for a reason i guess /j

[ripe owl]

Jokes aside, vanilla Moon Lord is genuinely unfair, I had to enable Rev just to beat him on my Expert pt

[frosty trellis]

normal mode ml is not even cal

[north oracle]

[frosty trellis]

That's just vanilla AI

[north oracle]

i abused heart statues

[frosty trellis]

Damn
He is unfair but in pure vanilla he is completely cheesed thanks to Soaring Insignia + Fishron wings as I've found out

[ripe owl]

Soaring Insignia

Rings a bell but can't tell exactly

[glass arch]

infinite flight moment

[ripe owl]

Oh that

[hollow shell]

There is something very ironic about this

[ripe owl]

Genuinely

I spent like 5 attempts trying to accomplish nothing

And then enabled Rev and slapped this octodad protégé into his coffin in one

[glass arch]

it only took me like 15 attempts maximum to nohit it
and i am not good at nohitting lol

[kindred skiff]

Most recent post lmao

“Boss too hard pls nerf”

[glass arch]

(its not even rev ml its classic)

[kindred skiff]

Yeah

[glass arch]

classic ml is harder than rev ml tbh

[ripe owl]

Go ahead
Shit on me

[north oracle]

so

daed and hydro both actually have clear uses as summon armour sets because of the set bonus

[glass arch]

you forgot all of the post plant/golem class armor sets except for tiki/spooky lol

[ripe owl]

SO TRUE

[north oracle]

i never use them as other classes, although hydro is good for mage too iirc

[glass arch]

yeh hydro is good for mage until astral

[ripe owl]

Chlorophyte tier is essentially those, I just didn't want to write them down individually

[north oracle]

just make hydro/daed summon armours

emp does have nothing unique about it tho

[ripe owl]

My face when Rogue has to jump from Umbraphile to at least Astral

[glass arch]

no please i need to have both of my spectre headpieces in one headpiece

[north oracle]

who cares about rogue

[ripe owl]

Devs

[north oracle]

damn

[glass arch]

who are those

[ripe owl]

(meanwhile rogue has the least weapons available)

[glass arch]

[north oracle]

ikr

it's got a large lack of armour progression

just make it worse

[ripe owl]

So true!

[swift wharf]

🧎‍♂️

based suggestion

[ripe owl]

All thanks to Rover

[north oracle]

go rover

[ripe owl]

Because when a former dev says something is factually bad - it's time to think about it

[swift wharf]

now rework tarragon, bloodflare and silva

[north oracle]

^

[ripe owl]

So true

[swift wharf]

and auric

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sets

wrong chat pal

[ripe owl]

Why would you come in this channel

[swift wharf]

#help-advice-read-pins

[north oracle]

lunar sets should not be used till post DoG for some classes

[vocal tendon]

ty

and sry 😄

[swift wharf]

it's fine

oh and rework victide and statigel

and aerealite

[ripe owl]

Oh shut up

[swift wharf]

aka 80% of the sets in this mod

[ripe owl]

They are at least somewhat useful

[swift wharf]

because they make me eepy

[north oracle]

rework all full class armour sets ngl

[swift wharf]

ON GOD

pre boss eats big and the rest of the game suffers from mid set bonuses

occasional W from idk chlorophyteb

[north oracle]

omega blue as well

[swift wharf]

this is when I pull my one quote and replace terraria with calamity

something something stop adding new stuff and focus on current stuff

[ripe owl]

The fuck did Omega do to you?

[swift wharf]

omega blue is lacking

needs new visuals

[north oracle]

i mean it's one of the good set bonuses for an all class armour set

[ripe owl]

:wires:

[swift wharf]

goofy ahh tentacles

[north oracle]

at least it's unique

[errant bobcat]

Just make every armor set have a helmet for every class all with unique set bonuses that aren’t just extra projectiles or stat sticks

[north oracle]

and has it's own niche

[ripe owl]

Oh I thought you said it needs a rework

[north oracle]

ofc

[ripe owl]

Also, like I said

"at least two armor sets"

[north oracle]

nah, just a cool sprite

[errant bobcat]

Shouldn’t be that much work

[north oracle]

well we have 2 now

[ripe owl]

So I don't say that the problem is only with those

[north oracle]

there's a lot of sets that need something done with them honestly

when the summon set bonus is the best thing about them something's wrong

[ripe owl]

I think for now those three will be fine

[north oracle]

true

those are the main ones really

post ML would be next

[hollow shell]

Thank you Zavarski good sugg

[ripe owl]

I know right

Actually wait let me rewrite the suggestion

[swift wharf]

"rework most of the sets in the mod"

[ripe owl]

No

[gilded scroll]

but isnt Victide one of those "5 helmet ore" sets as well?
then again, having at least a couple of those would be good for the mod

[swift wharf]

[ripe owl]

I'll just delete the Empyrean part because I can't really flesh it out without a separate suggestion

[swift wharf]

having 5 helms is kinda bru

[gilded scroll]

but i do know that Daedalus and Hydrothermic should get reworks, because one is just sad, and the other is mediocre at best

[swift wharf]

victide could easily be a single helm set

[gilded scroll]

victide could be like an early game exploring set, like Reaver

[swift wharf]

ya

[gilded scroll]

or if it still a 5 helm set, make it more interesting

[swift wharf]

it's way easier to make it more interesting with a single helmet

the only real loss are the cool sprites

[gilded scroll]

i mean, you could give the melee set some form of thorns effect, maybe, but yeah, one helm may be better

[undone cedar]

I dislike multiple helm sets most times

[swift wharf]

fish head helm sob sob sob

[small timber]

Pretty sure hydrothermic is like better than umbraphile (because of nerfs)

In terms of usefulness hydro is better, but yeah in terms of boringness it is peak boring

[gilded scroll]

and Daedalus is just sad

[swift wharf]

on fire! armor set

[glass arch]

what does daedalus even do

[swift wharf]

yes

[glass arch]

i have genuinely never bothered getting it

[gilded scroll]

i dont know lmfao

[undone cedar]

Daedalus is so Nothing

[north oracle]

gives a cool summon set bonus

[swift wharf]

it does things

[gilded scroll]

i just get cryonic for life alloy

[north oracle]

idk about the otrther effects'

[swift wharf]

i think melee has some block effect

[glass arch]

i get cryonic for ornate shield

[undone cedar]

Like the entire set is just a complete ridiculous mess its sad

[glass arch]

life alloy i can just farm rav for

[gilded scroll]

i think magic has a reflect effect, for no reason

why does mage need a reflect?

[glass arch]

mage needs the defense lol

but yeah why specifically a reflect

[gilded scroll]

i think for Daedalus summoner, a cooler set bonus could be a ring of floating crystal swords that shoot at enemies
that would be better then that.....crystal thing

[small timber]

Daedalus rework suggestion no.N

Let me check if my last one is passed

[gilded scroll]

actually, would the magic floating orbiting swords work better with summoner as a passive set bonus, or mage as an active one?
(they dont slash, they shoot, btw)

[ripe owl]

Dumped out a whole lotta suggestions for whole lotta no reason

[upbeat yacht]

why not just kill cryo ore and its gear as a whole

[ripe owl]

Devs will decided what to do

[undone cedar]

I think at one point there was gonna be a cryo rework but i might be misremembering

I assume they have something planned ig

[small timber]

For some reason ctrl F dont work for me, but yeah it is passed

[ripe owl]

Whatever

[hollow shell]

Empyrean goes beyond just not having bonuses for stealth gameplay
It literally has the same set bonus as when it was all-class

[ripe owl]

It wasn't my main point tho

[hollow shell]

I like the suggs
The more attention drawn to them the better cuz they're wack as hell

[ripe owl]

It's just that stealth is a crucial part of Rogue

[undone cedar]

Whats empyrean again

[glass arch]

the post moon lord rogue set

[ripe owl]

Rogue equivalent of Lunar sets

[undone cedar]

Ohhh that

[north oracle]

this is the problem

[hollow shell]

Lunar armor equivalent, previously known as Xeroc

[undone cedar]

Yeah I remember now

I don’t really play rogue i dont like it

[ripe owl]

Coward

Go and play Rogue

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-meme-gif-23851809

[small timber]

It gives you rage and wrath when below 50% hp, gives you another temporary rage and wrath when take damage, and spawn random projectile when you attack

[undone cedar]

I would have to get around to playing calamity again for that

[north oracle]

i don't like rogue either tbf

[north oracle]

ah, so not rogue related at all

[ripe owl]

I.e. nonsensical benefits for nothing

[undone cedar]

Random bullshit go armor

[ripe owl]

I've made that joke twice already

[drowsy plank]

there was a sugg about using new drawcode (the one from infernum polter) and im p sure it already passed

[ripe owl]

Dom has some work to do now

[drowsy plank]

god cal really just needs help in the armor department huh

[glass arch]

armor, the bane of existence

[drowsy plank]

just like in general

you could probably list all the good calamity armors

and then there's Everything Else

[ripe owl]

Good Calamity armors:

Bad Calamity armors: everything else

Obviously joking

[grave zinc]

@thorny cloud - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Wulfrum furniture crafting so it uses Wulfrum Plating(The block) rather than Metal Scraps]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

well that was fast

[thorny cloud]

YAAAAYYYYYY

[drowsy plank]

nice

[undone cedar]

I would never read discord user’s messages

[ripe owl]

But

You write them

Also you've replied to my message, and even did it correctly

So you had to read my message first

[hollow shell]

Pure coincidence and random chance

[ripe owl]

So true

[golden sonnet]

While we are on the topic of armor, I feel like I should point out the issues with brimflame and astral
Brimflame: Unlocked at pretty much the exact same point as spectre. (Brimflame is post Cal Clone, while spectre is post Plant) This set is strictly better than Spectre in offence, meaning the only reason to use spectre is for healing, which cripples your damage.

Astral: This may be more of an issue with previous sets being too strong, but this set is useless for summoner (summons can't crit), useless for rogue (no stealth), outclassed by beetle for melee (30 melee damage/speed is balanced), outclassed by Shroomite for range (The helmet bonus is a multiplier, enough said), and on par or only better by a small margin than brimflame for mage. This armor feels like a mess with random potions effects and being an all class armor, when it might as well just be a mage only armor.

maybe this is something more for #1042197406776827914 , but theres some minor subjectivity I guess

[ripe owl]

Go ahead, make a sugg

[golden sonnet]

ok, if you don't see any issues guess I'll just port it directly to suggestions

[drowsy plank]

astral is better than brimflame i believe

just barely

so yeah it's basically just a mage armor because HUGE mana bonuses + free minions lmfao

forbidden armor... 2!

[ripe owl]

Brimflame: Exchange your blood for a free adrenaline

Which is quite pointless because if you have less blood then you won't be able to transfer the adrenaline through your body as fast as a normal human

[swift wharf]

mom said it's my turn to post an armor rework suggestion

[hollow shell]

ASTRAL armor
Guhh astral armor

[atomic shell]

I think brimflame is fine but astral I agree

[golden sonnet]

Brimflame isn't necessarily problematic, it's just that it completely invalidates specter

[hollow shell]

(You should probably mention the fact that Brimflame actively harms you in your suggestion
Mention why that's not a concern or something)

[ripe owl]

Imagine

Armor Rework Suggestion Week

[golden sonnet]

even without brimflame set bonus it does more damage than spectre, so yeah, the fact it drains your health means nothing.
Brim vs Spectre, Brim has
5% more dmg
8% more crit
10 more mana
1 less def
3% less movement
3% less mana reduction

Spectre in vanilla adds a cap of 400 dps with the ghosts, but calamity makes this a cap of 120 dps with the nerf, which is almost always more than compensated for by the 8% crit rate from brim

[ripe owl]

That would've been insane

[glass arch]

@dire glen get rid of the it would be cool

because that is invalid reasoning for a suggestion

[undone cedar]

Exactly

Im simply that lucky

[ripe owl]

You did it again

You're walking on a really thin ice

[north oracle]

look what you started

[ripe owl]

I didn't mean to 😭

[north oracle]

now everyone wants armours reworked

[ripe owl]

Rover was the one who gave me this idea

Not to blame him, he actually is right

[glass arch]

so its rovers fault

[north oracle]

we should blame rover!

[ripe owl]

I JUST SAID TO NOT BLAME HIM 😭

[glass arch]

ok

i will proceed to ignore that statement

[ripe owl]

😭😭😭

[north oracle]

^

[ripe owl]

Nooooooo!

What have I done?

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message kinda planned already, esp hydro fuck that shit

#suggestions-posting message good suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

there are like

a ton of empyrean armor rework sugg no?

still nothing came outta it since the first one

[drowsy plank]

@dire glen wdym there's no reason to use anything other than lunar?? bobbit so much better than lunar it's not even funny lmfao

bobbit is just better than anything

it practically invalidates literally any other hook

i feel like that might help your suggestion more tbh, there is a lack of hooks either way tbf
at least we have calamity's vanities to help with that in the meantime

[small timber]

I think the suggestion means "at post-ML you basically use either Lunar or Bobbit Hook and there is no other choices" not that "bobbit is worse than lunar"

[dire glen]

maybe that's an opinion, but it still be lore and aesthetically pleasing to have some more thematically related post moon lord hooks

[cobalt pewter]

it's implied that lunar is the only thing remotely close to a bobbit alternative?

[small timber]

I will be honest

[drowsy plank]

i read "even with bobbit there's no reason to use anything but lunar" as not using bobbit over lunar so maybe the wording could use some work if that is the case

[cobalt pewter]

I would just nuke Bobbit in favor of making a permanent hook upgrade like 1.4.4 mech cart

[dire glen]

well it dose feel like their could be more hooks that just fit with the progression of the game play

[small timber]

lunar and polterghast is not that too far apart, and bobbit is definitely good enough to be used for the rest of the game

[drowsy plank]

also true!

[small timber]

I dont think post-ML really need more hook just based on functionality alone, just because there is no need for better hooks when bobbit and lunar covers everything (lunar is insane, and bobbit is better; rather than both are weak and there is no choice)

[cobalt pewter]

bobbit has exactly the same issues as pre 1.4.4 mech cart

[dire glen]

honestly I never saw what the bobet hooks advantages where

[small timber]

if anything I think they should buff the HM ones because currently you either use serpent's bite or bat hook until lunar (can make an argument for specifically christmas hook and thats about it)

it is insanely fast and insanely long range

that is everything you will need from a hook

in fact often or not it is too fast

[dire glen]

it just feel like many of the hook up to the moon lord have a thematic and mechanic progression and then Post-moon lord that is all but lost

[drowsy plank]

what exactly do you use hooks for?? bobbit is literally just like double the stats of lunar in every department except like... number of hooks i guess lmfao

[cobalt pewter]

and you're much less likely to miss a hook with double stats, so the amount of hooks aren't really a disadvantage

[small timber]

and less number of hook is a benefit because you only ever want 2 for usual usage of hooks

[drowsy plank]

true

[small timber]

to me in HM there are actually too much hook that 70% of them you just stash and deleted

because there is always 1 on tier that is better than others making it pointless to use anything else

[dire glen]

they still play a role in verity in gameplay tag and metagaming. The clamity devs have express that they like to see ore viriety promoted in game play and this would do it

[small timber]

there is no point in inserting bloat at a place where there is no need for it

[drowsy plank]

look more hooks would be fine but fr i dont think this is gonna make it any more varied because hooks really are just "what has the biggest numbers"

[small timber]

lunar is way better than the rest of hooks (beside bobbit) that you can use it all the way to yharon and be fine

only one you might have problem is exo because of constant movement meaning lunar might not be good enough, but if you just use it for flight reset rather than movement it is still sufficient

that is how good post-ML hooks are

[dire glen]

am I the only one who feel that calamity has not tapped into hooks more

[half imp]

the only hooks that matter in hardmode are like

[small timber]

serpent's bite, bat hook, christmas hook then lunar imo

[half imp]

serpent bite
bat hook
dissonance
static
antigrav

[small timber]

oh right dissonance

[half imp]

christmas and lunar

[dire glen]

yeah lets expand into post monn lord more

[half imp]

unique hooks are a W bc they're never just outclassed

niche, yes

[small timber]

I keep forgetting static and antigrave because they are so niche

[half imp]

but at least never outclassed entirely

static is mad nice for scal

no yeeting yourself into a brimmonster

[small timber]

I keep using dissonance for scal but that is mainly because I also have rails arena'

[dire glen]

the fact remain II have seen that even with as powerful as lunar hook is even in then vanilla game player use hooks for unique strategies. I think this can be expanded in calamity

[small timber]

then to put it simply: what kind of hook do you want to add that can give unique strategy without straight up cheesy?

just give some examples

often or not these are easier said than done

[half imp]

dissoance with better shoot speed

[small timber]

I had seen some unique use of static hook for providence star dodging, which means static is good enough for that

or antigrav/static for scal, which also means it is good enough for that

[half imp]

antigrav + static fusion would be sick but possibly broken

[dire glen]

the calamity mods have made it clear they don't except specific item suggestion so I'm leaving my suggestion to a concept

[half imp]

you can suggest ideas as long as their not too specific and not the basis of the suggestion

if the suggestion is "add HoD 2" then it's a no

[small timber]

no what I mean is if you want to make it so that the hooks you want to add is not just some random post-ML hooks with stats in between lunar and bobbit, then you have to make your point

otherwise you just have a hook that is unneeded because lunar and bobbit covers all needs

[frosty trellis]

Astral outclassed by beetle for melee? Do people seriously forget that weapons that don't scale with melee speed exist? It's strictly better for Daybreak/Solar Eruption which are already two fucking fantastic weapons on their own

[half imp]

give hooks wing type bonuses

[small timber]

yeah nothing is gonna outclass beetle anytime soon I think (for melee speed scaling weapon)

[half imp]

all weapons scale with melee speed somehow iirc

for daybreak it helps you aim but like

less dps

[frosty trellis]

Yes

[dire glen]

They seam to be rather strict on this and my last engagement with them has left me wary to get mor specific

[frosty trellis]

Astral has teh stupid fucking crit which makes it cracked as fuck for non-melee speed scaling weapons and Mage

[half imp]

hmm what would be some cool hook ideas

[drowsy plank]

regardless astral is still balls conceptually

[half imp]

enemy grapple :)

[drowsy plank]

god please

[half imp]

enemy grapple antigrav hook 🧠

[drowsy plank]

i have a lot of dumb mod ideas but enemy grapple hook was def one of them

[half imp]

they just can't reach you

[drowsy plank]

as if anything with knockback can touch you anyway after like. mid hardmode

lol

[half imp]

honestly

hook bonuses could be interesting

[drowsy plank]

but yeah anti-grav, static, and dissonance upgrades would be based

fargo rich mahogany enchant

[half imp]

static and dissonace especially

bc their shoot speed is so terrible

static with bobbit shoot speed

would be so useful

but not broken

[drowsy plank]

fr that hook upgrade idea

[dire glen]

honestly that be a cool mechanic if hook could grapple an enemy

[drowsy plank]

fuck wait the cart upgrade is 1.4.4

i can't use it as a basis for the suggestion

i was about to go suggest the bobbit hook upgrade idea but i have to wait sadge

[half imp]

bobbit upgrade would be so broken

with dissonance

dissonance only deserves a small speed boost

[small timber]

hook bonus already exist in the game, it juts dont exist anywhere else

namely reaver mobility

[half imp]

yeah

oh a grappling accessory would be cool

just boosts hooks

[dire glen]

whait what hook bonuses ext already]

which way would it boost the hooks

[half imp]

reaver mobility armor gives hook speed and range or something

[dire glen]

what way would you accesories improve hook

[half imp]

range, shoot speed, reel speed

maybe even hook count

[dire glen]

sound like you could have a couple addressing different boosts

one accessory would deal with range and shoot speed. The other could simply just add one extra hook projectile to any hook

[drowsy plank]

why would i want to make a hook worse...?

fr extra hooks usually makes a hook worse because it's harder to rehook

[loud shore]

#suggestions-posting message this one could be great hehe! some sinergy between bones (it can be made a undertale easter egg or something like that XD)

[drowsy plank]

@clever lava SIS

[glass arch]

we used to have more nights edge things

[drowsy plank]

also god please no we're trying to get rid of those

[glass arch]

those are gone because they fucking sucked

[drowsy plank]

[ornate kestrel]

We don't need everything to have a night's edge upgrade line

[glass arch]

everything having a same or similar upgrade line just cuts down on the uniqueness of the original upgrade line

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell this would be an SIS right

also terra shiv mention

[glass arch]

not just an SIS its also catering to specific subclasses i think

[drowsy plank]

right cause

yoyos and flails

lol

[crude geode]

No.

Subclass only runs are the reason subclass suggs get fucked over

Mentioning subclass weapons isn’t gonna get your sugg exclaimed

[drowsy plank]

im sure if archivo didnt ditch they'd probably say it'd help subclass runs anyway

[eternal escarp]

yeah its a dont for an other reason, not a SIS

[small timber]

@clever lava this type of suggestion that asked for specific items to be added (also known as specific item suggestion) is disallowed

Additionally suggestion to make a subclass more viable for the sake of subclass only playthrough is also disallowed (though less applicable in your case)

either way the developers are in fact slowly moving away from the "Terra weapon for all class" approach because most of them end up being just really boring design-wise

[small timber]

imo it is SIS since they even like, added name for the weapons

[glass arch]

damn bot hit em with the 🗜️ too

[crude geode]

No clue why

[drowsy plank]

"title" is too long

[small timber]

probably exceed suggestion title line limit or something

[glass arch]

yeah the title is definitely too long

[crude geode]

Didn’t even realize there was one

Huh.

[drowsy plank]

they didnt space out the first paragraph

[eternal escarp]

i didnt see thode
its just a name so bordering byeah

i think i can exclam myself as a dev but its already non formative

[crude geode]

“Bordering”
They laid out the function my dude

[drowsy plank]

they specifically outline how they'd funtion so i think it counts lol

[glass arch]

and the crafting recipes

[eternal escarp]

oh i missed that too
its early in the morning dont judge

[drowsy plank]

lol same

[glass arch]

im surprised i didnt miss em tbh

[crude geode]

That’s our job smh my head

[eternal escarp]

true..

[drowsy plank]

make a sugg for blast to have a better sleep schedule

[glass arch]

sleep schedules are a myth

[blazing kettle]

do we really need a night and terra version of every weapon type tho

[drowsy plank]

no in fact we are actively killing them

[glass arch]

yeah they are dying as we speak

[small timber]

but imagine if we can have 200 more random useless filler weapons that we can combine into a mediocre terra weapon that is viable for like 1 boss only that can finally get combine into a semi-viable exo elemental weapon that we can use against 1 boss

[blazing kettle]

oh right

mass extinction

[north oracle]

Specific item suggestion?

[glass arch]

yes

[north oracle]

[gray nebula]

let's add "nights medusa head" for all the subclass lovers

[fathom aspen]

nightsdusa

[lost valley]

holy based

[small timber]

@north cypress "infernum does it" doesn't automatically make it so calamity also have to do it (in fact it only make it much more that calamity should not do it since it will be 'copying infernum' )

in fact more often or not I think the forced insertion of a title make it more "awkward" and "showy" when it doesn't have to

especially to make it shown in the middle of the screen

trust me not everyone like the forced title screen, and "make it a config to make it optional" is a bandaid fix: you either do it and expect most people will like it or you don't do it because you know half the community will dislike it

imo if you want to do a "boss entry" shock moment there are ways that can do it much more effectively than inserting words into the player's face, something like DoG turning the entire sky into a different colour (not the current one, current one is too sudden and give no time for the player to process), or things like Scal's bullet hell entry with the sky turning black and bullets start raining is much more effective at "telling the power" of the boss and what the rest of the fight is to be expected (aka in your world "this is gonna be one hell of a fight")

[swift wharf]

whats the point of making a cool intro if the boss is like
ML

[untold pagoda]

true

[ripe owl]

What's the point of making a cool intro

[north cypress]

True.

[dire glen]

that has never been my experience I fine the hook that had more hooks gave me far more finesse and control

[drowsy plank]

in what context

[ripe owl]

If my suggestions would actually cause a wave of armor rework suggestions

I am going to explode, implode back and then explode again, causing even more damage

[crude geode]

It’s possible that some of the armors on your list were already on dev’s list

[small timber]

all of them are probably already on dev's list to be reworked and will be reworked before year 2050

[grim tusk]

@north cypress you literally have no reasoning.
“Infernum did it, you guys can” is not valid reasoning

[safe crypt]

This is certainly a suggestion

I think

[cobalt pewter]

the sugg of all time

[rotund tree]

https://tenor.com/view/nosex-sex-cat-gif-18490822

[errant wren]

i think it's funnier (?) considering that the first thing that was tagged was the formatting and not the content

[cobalt pewter]

that one is automatic

[errant wren]

fair

[cobalt pewter]

the bot does it if it doesn't recognize proper formatting

[tidal plaza]

When the bot manages to be more funny, that's how you know the joke was shit

[hybrid steeple]

yep checks out

[ripe owl]

Ah, yes, a sex joke