suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

God I love reworks that make an op item complete dogshit both in design and balance

[drowsy plank]

lol

[crude geode]

Godly Soul Artifact anyone

[drowsy plank]

don't you mena auric soul artifact

[crude geode]

Did it get it’s name changed to that

And it’s effect remains the same

also don’t ping me when a minute has passed

Fuckin hell

Actual dogshit

[drowsy plank]

lol

[crude geode]

@hollow shell bot dead

I almost wanna make a suggestion to change the auric name because it's so incredibly bland compared to most of the other ones.

like. imagine if dog's artifact was just. cosmilite soul artifact

that's cuz it was purely a name change and not a sprite change

[drowsy plank]

can we add this one to the donts

[crude geode]

think it's on there

yeah it is

[drowsy plank]

oh cool

[crude geode]

@limpid meadow that's been suggested so much it's a don't

[limpid meadow]

oh, i didnt see it in the rules

my bad

[crude geode]

it's at the very bottom in frequently suggested

it's fine

[grim tusk]

@inland saddle bot dead

[inland saddle]

I won’t be home for another 7 and a half hours

I’ll bring it back then

[swift wharf]

BASED symbio suggestion

[atomic shell]

fungal symbiote shroomer synergy please 🥺

[swift wharf]

wasting TWO slots for a silly combo that's actually really strong

calamity synergies when @ devs

[atomic shell]

[swift wharf]

clump no longer lifesteals
gives the player a stronger version of mushy instead with greater healing

[hollow shell]

Ping Nycro, not me. I can't do anything about that.

[hollow shell]

yeah Shade's got it

[crude geode]

Fair

[drowsy plank]

that's already in the game lmao

[atomic shell]

oh bruh

[swift wharf]

scuffed suggestion but also true

brothers suck

[worldly basalt]

desperation attacks are cool so i approve of that part especially

[crude geode]

I love how much this oversimplifies the SCal fight

[hollow shell]

@worldly sparrow Are you ignoring the fact that her damage phase has her cycle between 4 different attacks, and that all of those attacks get buffed after her phase transition?

AND that all of her bullet hells are different?

[glass arch]

yeah all of the bullet hells are different

[crude geode]

I would prefer it over a suggestion where most of it is suggested changes

[glass arch]

you're vastly oversimplifying the fight

[hollow shell]

And the moons persist for the rest of the fight including into the 2nd sepulcher

[crude geode]

I agree that certain phases are lame (brothers and sepulcher) but like. The bullet hells are meant to be a slow escalation.

[glass arch]

plus the last BH has a few new projectiles added in there

[hollow shell]

You are indeed being very reductive to the point of absurdity

[glass arch]

scal feels more of an endurance boss than anything

[hollow shell]

That is unrelated to your suggestion

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[versed cape]

@toxic basalt really dont like your suggestion tbh

If you remove that, what difficulty will yharon still have?

[half imp]

about the scal submission

she has plenty of attacks

[glass arch]

yeah theres a lot of variety to the fight

[half imp]

there's the four basic attacks
dash
fireblast
gigablast
dart spreads

[glass arch]

as for this newest suggestion however

[half imp]

no?>

[glass arch]

i dont get this newest suggestion

[half imp]

they all work completely different

they shoot in different ways

[glass arch]

??? no they arent

those are all attacks

[half imp]

no

those are individual phases

[glass arch]

the bullet hell is one attack

[half imp]

where she uses those projectiles in a different way

fireblasts she lines up next to you and spams them

[atomic shell]

scal desperation in base calamity would make me die inside

[half imp]

gigablasts she goes far away and shoots slow homing gigablasts

dashes she dashes at you

and dart spread she floats slowly around and shoots shotgun darts

[hollow shell]

Is this the moment where I tell Pusheen to just go play Infernum

[crude geode]

So true!

[atomic shell]

yes

bruh

[half imp]

the stuff i listed all have different movement, attack rates, projectile speeds, etc

calling them the same is like calling DoG ramming you and shooting lasers at you the same attack

[glass arch]

??? i said that they are attacks because thats what they are
its not just a singular projectile
they are all used in different ways
hell, the dash isnt even a projectile

[fossil finch]

id say something but honestly what even can i say that is useful to anyone

[half imp]

anyway

[drowsy plank]

okay guys i know we're all trashing the bad scal sugg but does anyone have any ideas what the fucked the charged weapons one is asking either

[fossil finch]

sugg is prolly not passing considering the fact

[glass arch]

yeah the charged weapon one is ???

[hollow shell]

How are SCal's four damage phase attacks any different from Providence's like 6 non-cocoon attacks?

[fossil finch]

that boss changes simply do not

[swift wharf]

why are we talking about scal when the brothers are literally

bad

[hollow shell]

"Providence has significantly more" according to you

[half imp]

yeah

[glass arch]

ah yes, 2 attacks
such a significant number

[drowsy plank]

@mortal oracle can you explain what you mean by this

[swift wharf]

they do indeed go up and down and fire a projectile 😭

[crude geode]

Because the sugg is worded that all of SCal is bad and needs reworking

[half imp]

anyway

scal has 4 main attacks, but then there's 5 distinct bullet hells, brimstone monsters, sepulchur, brothers phase, and seekers

[crude geode]

Not that just the brothers are bad lmao

[swift wharf]

still....

the only things that kinda suck rn are brothers and the wall

s

[half imp]

the brothers are okay

not gonna wow anyone

[glass arch]

brothers phase is fine imo

[crude geode]

The brothers are free adrenaline

[half imp]

but not terrible

[swift wharf]

but they're so boring

smh

[half imp]

it would be cool if they had more attacks i agree

[swift wharf]

for a final boss, definitely

[half imp]

they were saying brothers are boring, not scal as a whole

[swift wharf]

i'd argue that clone brothers are more engaging

[glass arch]

but then again
"it would be cool" isnt really a valid suggestion reason

[lost valley]

my only gripe with brothers is that they dont spawn at 50% instead they spawn at 45% so you have to hit scal for like 2 seconds before they show up

[half imp]

so true

and then hit her 2 more seconds for her phase transition

it's kinda weird

ok? make brothers after bh 2

[lost valley]

^

[half imp]

like sep after bh1

[swift wharf]

anyways what the hell is the last suggestion

[half imp]

noidea

[glass arch]

i mean thats a lot easier considering clone doesnt have arena restrictions

[half imp]

i can't understand it besides "make chargables a subclass"

[glass arch]

you can already lump em into there ig

[half imp]

actually

i understand it

[swift wharf]

i read a lot and absorbed nothing

[lost valley]

draedon subclass?

[hollow shell]

Yeah Aetern's sugg is very hard to understand cuz it rambles so much

[half imp]

it's saying make charables a subclass with their own accessories

[glass arch]

lmao

thats probably an ❗

[half imp]

like an "arsenal emblem" to increase arsenal damage

or crit

[swift wharf]

when the title misleads the description ! !

tbf accs that buff the arsenal gear would be neat

[glass arch]

wait wait wait
they specifically said they didnt want to make arsenals a subclass
and then suggested things that would make them a subclass

[drowsy plank]

bro literally could've just said "make arsenal gear accessories that buff arsenal weapons" and it would've been perfect

[half imp]

we need arsenal accessories that use power cells for charge

would be sick tbh

[grim tusk]

@worldly sparrow big scale rework

[drowsy plank]

lol ez

[crude geode]

So true

[swift wharf]

boss change suggestion ( never happening

[hollow shell]

uhh ehh

[mortal oracle]

Man I wrote an essay with 10 characters remaining and you want me to explain my explanation with less explaining?

[drowsy plank]

yeah it fucking sucks

more words doesnt mean good

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

There is merit in being concise.

[half imp]

the explanation is like

really hard to understand

[lost valley]

just rework all of scal

true and real

[glass arch]

it goes on and on and on and doesnt really get the point across

[grim tusk]

^ that as well

why should she change besides little attack variety

[drowsy plank]

if i have to read your sugg 3 times just to understand what you're trying to say, i dunno how you expect it to pass voting

[hollow shell]

uhh wrong sugg Shade

[lost valley]

it's called being concise

[grim tusk]

i was gonna get into arsenal sugg in a bit

[mortal oracle]

Dammit I needed to remember the term "arsenal".

[glass arch]

plus theres contradictory info in there, you say you dont want them to be made into a subclass but from what im seeing in there you're suggesting things that would make them a subclass

[mortal oracle]

I am unable to keep a conversation irl because of this.
My communication skills are as low as can be in the terms of "explaining a very simple message".

[cobalt pewter]

what does this user mean

like literally I have 0 idea what the sugg is trying to say

[grim tusk]

@mortal oracle yea this is pretty much a SIS

It asks for something they kinda already are, a kind of subclass/subweapon type
It asks for specific items that just specifically affects them
If they are too weak just ask on #1042197406776827914 (and a buff to arsenal weaponry was literally asked yesterday)
You know arsenal weapons already charge quite fast, and you could ask for the charging speed to be increased even if you consider it to take too long
and most important of all which the question does not answer: Why should we even do this?

[crude geode]

It’s about making it a subclass but also don’t bc that’s against the rules

[cobalt pewter]

lo

[grim tusk]

the sugg also has a lot of unnecessary text and is quite informal

which would basically kill it in #suggestions-voting

if it didnt break any rule

[undone cedar]

Very confusing suggestion

[undone cedar]

The nice thing about writing a suggestion is that it isnt a conversation

[worldly sparrow]

i just realized my entire motivation behind that suggestion i made was that i just finished an scal nohit and i hated it

[undone cedar]

It can be revised, and thought out, and considered

[grim tusk]

yea it happens, but hey the feeling of finally nohitting scal feels amazing

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

it really does

[undone cedar]

Pro tip dont write whatever pops into ur head for a suggestion think about it first

[mortal oracle]

My definition of sub-class is more of what thrower was.
Kind of like having 1 set and it's own damage type, with like just a couple of weapons.
If there was some pre-hm set and "arsenal damage" type then I would see it as sub-class.
But oh well, non-calamity player tries making a calamity suggestion.
I might just quit the server right now due to how cringe everything I said in the last 20 minutes were.

[lost valley]

brb gunna ramble into #suggestions-posting

[drowsy plank]

@mortal oracle here boom rewrote it for you in a less rule breaking kind of way

Charging weapons are a very unique mechanic in Calamity, and help add depth to its weapons, however, due to the complexity around using them and their damage fall off, many player likely overlook them for their equally powerful, non-charging counterparts. A great way to incentivize more players to use this mechanic would be to implement an accessory that interacts with charging weapons in some way. The accessory itself could even have a charge.

The reason this could help increase usage is the same way Daawnlight Spirit Origin helped sniper rifles for Rangers. If the player is given another item that directly synergizes with the weapon, they'd be more likely to experiment and try them out.```

[crude geode]

Nohitters are both the least and most valid people in sugg posting ngl

[hollow shell]

If it has its own damage type, it's not a subclass
It just is a class

Subclasses are like
yoyos for melee, guns for ranger

[worldly sparrow]

i hate how correct you are

[half imp]

true melee?

[lost valley]

bows

[crude geode]

Die

[hollow shell]

True melee is still a subclass it's just like the most expansive subclass
Because it gets boosted by melee bonuses

[half imp]

yeah

i agree

it just also has it's own labeled damage type

[cobalt pewter]

then again nohitters are some of the most dedicated non-dev playerbase, which is

yea.

I wouldn't say true melee is a subclass, I guess?

[half imp]

(so does ranger guns/bows but those all say "ranged damage")

[cobalt pewter]

it's like saying stealth rogue is a subclass of rogue

which isn't really

[half imp]

stealth isn't a weapon type

it's a playstyle

[hollow shell]

Eh hh kinda

[half imp]

true melee is a type of attack

[mortal oracle]

Man after that one I realized I just talk like fucking ChatGPT.
Will improve in the future.

[grim tusk]

The following is just my opinion:

A suggestion must at least:
Not break the doc's rules
Be concise and clearly explain what it wants (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT)
Not ask for something already/planned on in game

For it to succeed #suggestions-voting 's judgement it must also:
Be something its considered necessary or agreeable by the general public
Not be a wall of text, short and concise
Easy to understand

[lost valley]

stealth is more of a playstyle/build

[grim tusk]

^

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah but also if you're still interested in suggesting something like that ur free to use what i wrote

[hollow shell]

that does look nice

[fossil finch]

did you guys know stealth damage is a thi

technically

[grim tusk]

yea the first sugg from a person is usually an ❗ due to them not knowing how to properly write a suggestion

[fossil finch]

if stealth damage is an internal, valid damage type

[grim tusk]

but you get better at it

[half imp]

stealth damage isn't a thing, it's just DamageClass.Rogue

[fossil finch]

and theres stealth only damage boosts

no it is

this is because i made it up

[crude geode]

[lost valley]

holy based

[half imp]

source: just trust me

:chad:

[crude geode]

Just like classes and subclasses

[grim tusk]

its actually a bool + projectile ai

[hollow shell]

(mage subclasses are completely made up cuz there is nothing about the weapons themselves that defines it, only a vague concept of appearance)

[half imp]

yea

i was meaning like

[undone cedar]

True true

[half imp]

there's no damage class for rogue stealth

just rogue

[fossil finch]

mage subclasses are acutally the best because of that

[drowsy plank]

they almost had something going on with tomes but nope lol

[fossil finch]

no fucking weird playstyle weirness

everything is just spawn projectile

[undone cedar]

No they arent real!!!!

[fossil finch]

i can just call tomes tomes

[undone cedar]

Theres just the class

[drowsy plank]

are mushrooms a subclass now

[crude geode]

Yes

[half imp]

the only real subclasses are
melee no speed
true melee no speed
true melee
bow damage
arrow damage
rocket damage
summon melee speed

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

The mushroom subclass is real!

[lost valley]

^

[half imp]

i could tell you every mushroom class weapon

[fervent orbit]

me when 1.4.4 combines rocket and other ranger

[half imp]

there's like 7

[grim tusk]

yoyo

[half imp]

does yoyo have it's own damage class?

huh

[fossil finch]

MUSHROOM SUBCLASS

[grim tusk]

melee speed is yoyo range

[fervent orbit]

it has its own accessories

other than that, not that i know of

[lost valley]

i mean so do the bee weapons

[grim tusk]

arsenal :P

[drowsy plank]

wait FUCK the bot is down so i still have two suggestions in #suggestions-posting and cant post more

[half imp]

mycoroot
clawmerang
puff shroom
hyphae rod
mycelial claws
shroomer
hammush
mushroom spear
shroomerang

[fervent orbit]

yea but bee is more of a general term kinda thing

[grim tusk]

nah

[cobalt pewter]

let's just remove damage types

[grim tusk]

you cant post 2 suggs per day

[cobalt pewter]

boom everyone happy

[hollow shell]

In a way
equipping yoyo bag in Calamity modifies the damage of yoyos exclusively, just... in a negative direction 🤔

[half imp]

oh true

[drowsy plank]

oh right it is per day

[fervent orbit]

ture

[grim tusk]

only the second yoyo, got changed latest update

[hollow shell]

based (pog) based (pog) based (pog)

[drowsy plank]

still would've preferred if aetern just used it but whatever

[crude geode]

How the fuck would summoner work

[undone cedar]

ONG

[fervent orbit]

why do people want change with draedon arsenal weapons so much

[fossil finch]

terraria if red never added damage types

itd be so aweomse

[fervent orbit]

i cant understand

[grim tusk]

because charge mechanic and some weapons being weak

[fossil finch]

we could have lived in a world where 1.0 released and

[cobalt pewter]

they won't

[fossil finch]

and funny mana weapons where just

funny mana weapons

[cobalt pewter]

(congratulatory)

[fervent orbit]

if a weapon is weak theres #1042197406776827914

[drowsy plank]

this isnt even a change lmao this is more of an addition (i want charging accessories )

[fervent orbit]

the charge mechanic as a whole is slightly flawed but not roo much

[half imp]

ok yoyo isn't a defined damage class, just an ai style

i want charging accessories too

[grim tusk]

the 1000th sugg asking to remove chargeable weapon's main gimmick

[undone cedar]

I think more stuff playing with the charging mechanic is cool

[fervent orbit]

ok but then wheres "fish" boosting accessoires

[half imp]

i could do that

[undone cedar]

I like it when mods add mechanics and really get a lot of use out of them

[fervent orbit]

you cant just give every type of weapon an accessory

[crude geode]

People want to explore more of a underused mechanic until it isn’t underused

[half imp]

if you wear a fish bowl all fish do 200% more damage

bet

[fervent orbit]

cant stuff be one off things

[grim tusk]

yea and we have gotten 3 (well 2, dynamic pursuer is an upgrade to an arsenal weapon) weapons with that for now

[fervent orbit]

(like other ranger )

[crude geode]

Insert Iban quote

[grim tusk]

:ranger:

[drowsy plank]

the freedom star is real

[fervent orbit]

tell me another class where it uses sand, darts and fucking stars as ammo

exactly

this is why other ranger is the best subclass

[crude geode]

Ranger is the best subclass cuz it’s not a real class

It doesn’t exist

[drowsy plank]

ranger is a mass delusion

[fervent orbit]

also wat was the reasoning of flamethrowers being picked over dart guns

[half imp]

rogue

[fervent orbit]

as ammo

throwing shit is boring

i want to fucking launch it out of a cannon

[half imp]

i would argue what you're throwing is your hand's ammo

[drowsy plank]

tbh u make a valid point

[fervent orbit]

anyone can throw a piece of sand or brick

[drowsy plank]

me when weapon with 1 ammo type vs. vanilla weapon that already has like 5 ammo types that doesn't get any development

[half imp]

darts also like

have the coolest ammo of all vanilla ammos

[fervent orbit]

how many people can engineer a gun to shoot sand at 100mph

exactly

[drowsy plank]

charged dart blaster

[half imp]

genuinely every dart is unique

ignore seeds they don't exist

[crude geode]

Seeds

[grim tusk]

didnt it get deleted?

[drowsy plank]

yes

that is the joke

[fervent orbit]

seeds is like the musket ball of darts

[undone cedar]

Seeds count as darts?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[half imp]

yes

[grim tusk]

yes

[fervent orbit]

mhm

[crude geode]

No

[undone cedar]

Bizarre

[half imp]

who gonna nohit scal with seeds and dart pistol

[grim tusk]

[fervent orbit]

should i compile every weapon that counts as other ranger

[grim tusk]

@ whateverguythatisinsane

[crude geode]

You could compile grass and it’d probably be as interesting

[fervent orbit]

fuck you

[crude geode]

Anyways yeah something something unique good Ranger bad

[drowsy plank]

Poaceae (/poʊˈeɪsiaɪ/) or Gramineae (/ɡrəˈmɪniaɪ/) is a large and nearly ubiquitous family of monocotyledonous flowering plants commonly known as grasses. It includes the cereal grasses, bamboos and the grasses of natural grassland and species cultivated in lawns and pasture. The latter are commonly referred to collectively as grass.

With around 780 genera-

[half imp]

darts when they have 4 vanilla weapons and 5 ammos while flamethrowers have 2 vanilla weapons and 1 ammos

which will win in the mod community

[fervent orbit]

flamethrowers

[crude geode]

Yo he spitting facts

[drowsy plank]

fire cool

[fervent orbit]

(unless ur thorium)

[undone cedar]

Grass is genuinely so cool

[half imp]

i raise you

[fervent orbit]

ok but when sandgun subclass

[drowsy plank]

hey at least cal adds one

sandstorm is a weapon that exists

unlike charged dart

[crude geode]

Darts when they go against cal’s usual design (the weapon being the interesting thing)

[half imp]

so true

[fervent orbit]

yea but it doesnt even have the uniqueness of sandgun that gets extra dmg and pierce with evil sand

[drowsy plank]

marksman rounds

[drowsy plank]

lmao i mean
what channel are we in

[crude geode]

The one where we complain about design

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[fervent orbit]

stfu

[fervent orbit]

exactly

its DISCUSSION

not posting

[drowsy plank]

ok so post a sugg to get sandstorm to get the special attributes

coward

[half imp]

hear me out

make dirt rod a weapon

[fervent orbit]

you know what i can also do?

[half imp]

bring back the sand dirt rod glitch

[fervent orbit]

im going to make a whole mod

TO CREATE A SANDGUN SUBCLASS

(i like sandgun a bit)

[crude geode]

wtf

You can’t do that

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

I'll pay you 10 bucks to make the mod remove marksman rounds

[crude geode]

Calamity is the only mod in existence

[fervent orbit]

wdym i cant do that?

[fervent orbit]

calamity mod.......music?

[drowsy plank]

you want me to PROGRAM things using my OWN HANDS??
what is this heresey

[fervent orbit]

me going to tml discord to ask a billion questions

[swift wharf]

hershley

[crude geode]

Mars

[fervent orbit]

galaxy

[swift wharf]

milky way

[crude geode]

Starburst

[fervent orbit]

oh cool

example mod has custom ammo gun!

[drowsy plank]

lol yeah

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins

[cinder gust]

👍

[hollow shell]

@inland saddle Reminder in case you're available now or will be available very soon

[inland saddle]

Driving home from work rn, will probably be like ~30 minutes and it’ll be back

[hollow shell]

aighty aighty

[inland saddle]

Bot is back up

[hollow shell]

Awesome, thank you Nycro 👍 👍

[dense iris]

A tool tip for the P90 reference to the Stargate SG-1 would be cool.
"This, is a weapon of war. Made to kill your enemies"

[ashen warren]

Nah, golden eye 007 64

[drowsy plank]

how about we remove it because bullet hoses are unoriginal and boring to use

[crude geode]

P90 is slightly more interesting than some of the bullet hoses tbfh

Onyx chain blaster

Byeah a lot of the bullet hoses can be removed

[grave zinc]

@earnest jewel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the arena boundaries for Supreme Calamitas and how she behaves outside of them.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@atomic shell - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a spawn blocker for the Cultists/Lunatic Cultist]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@surreal drum - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Reconsider Pumpkin/Frost Moon and The Eclipse buffs place in the game progression]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@versed cape - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give Teleportation Potions a small chance to teleport you directly to any shrine]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

ah would had been funny if it is just marked as implemented
(we should make it so teleportation can't teleport you a certain amount of tiles near a shrine and make sure the radius is always large enough that the shrine is out of vision )

[versed cape]

Yeah idk how it got enough upvotes

[small timber]

reason is simple: "but what if it is free?"

like, imagine if there is a spawn point shrine 20 blocks below your world spawn point in the dirt where you can find onyx excavator for speed mining Quality of Life changes

holy shit 300 votes

[glass arch]

yeah and potentially infinite mushrooms for free healing potions

[toxic basalt]

his core area of difficulty should be with his dashes alone, not an overlap

Older versions of the fight, especially Dragon God, Yharon had that be the case

Overlapping attacks should never be the main source of a boss' difficulty

because it will get annoying

[small timber]

I already posted it before elsewhere therefore I will post it here again, it is a matter of practice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7dDwvsga8c (this particular video is death mode yes)

in fact personally I think the one that actually need fixing is not even SP7, it is SP4/5 which is complete bullshit with the bullet hell into flare ring -> charge -> bullet hell combo which gives you no room to dodge (unless you do very unintuitive strategy that you can only learn through pure trial and error)

(and of course in non-nohit you can actually take a hit rather than having to dodge everything, which is a GIGANTIC difference)

[toxic basalt]

one of my alt suggestions was to just make the Death BHs less dense

[versed cape]

And yet its the main reason I love the fight

[versed cape]

This uh is just no?

Why, straight up

[versed cape]

bh into big flare rings is indeed one of the hardest of yharons attacks, but completely doable

Very consistently, might I add

https://youtu.be/mbM9iCT4ZKg

This video has me dodge the entirety of sp5 with no hits for several minutes

I then get shot a bunch in sp7 because that one is harder

[toxic basalt]

whatever, suggestion is made, I'm fed up with how P2 is

I don't care how "perfect" people think the fight is

[inland saddle]

Damn it

[toxic basalt]

also, if the slowdown change was initially made, clearly people had a problem with him overlapping his attacks

[versed cape]

however

around this somewhat unfair situation

how exactly is it unfair?

[toxic basalt]

may not be unfair, but it's still annoying to deal with all the time

I'll reword it in the suggestion post

[inland saddle]

Okay it’s back again

[swift wharf]

I can see dodges recharging faster when no bosses are present but the other option is definitely abuseable

actually nvm I was thinking of smth else

[sullen swan]

perhaps not activate when a projectile that would deal <5% of your hp hit you

[cobalt pewter]

I mean there are rarely cases in cal where there'll be supremely low, rapid fire damage from bosses

take note how one of godslayer armor's sets (idr which) sets all single instances of damage below 80 to 1

[sullen swan]

I mean there is but instead of supremely low it’s supremely high

[drowsy plank]

adding seperation between boss and non-boss content

just add damage threshholds yeah

this is dumb bc it would just trivialize events

hell you could even ask for summoning a boss to reset dodge cooldowns lmao

would still be better than this

[cobalt pewter]

just make a minimum damage for dodge to proc

[drowsy plank]

actually, @fringe otter why not do one of these instead? i really doubt they'd implement it the way you have it rn

[cobalt pewter]

rather than separating things between bosses and non bosses

cal said they're moving away from that yet Momentum Capacitor

[grim tusk]

The power of suggestions

[drowsy plank]

burden breaker when it when you

[glass arch]

thats probably because momentum capacitor

[drowsy plank]

regardless absolutely shocked that the last batch of suggs got hard rejected (not)

sucks we wasted a whole batch of votes on them tho lmao

[glass arch]

the spawn blocker is a good suggestion

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's why that one passed lol

been a while since there was more rejects than accepts is all

[grim tusk]

To be fair #suggestions-voting message this one was an ❗ that got away

#suggestions-voting message this one too

[glass arch]

which one is that

[drowsy plank]

hm yes no access

[grim tusk]

Wrong link

I linked the suggestion on dev

Not here

[glass arch]

oh lmao

[drowsy plank]

lol

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message no need to do this since its already the case; was also an exclam due to that

[hollow ridge]

Isn't the point of a shrine to be difficult to find

[drowsy plank]

wild

[glass arch]

yes

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message
Worldgen testing moment

It also hits corruption quite often too

[glass arch]

if i have like 5k teleportation pots i can find em but i can also find just about anything with that many

[grim tusk]

Maybe except surface but the rest yes
We might make surface harder to find tho

We are also nerfing its rewards

[hollow ridge]

Yea, mine carved itself through one of my ice mountains, wasn't that hard to find

[hollow ridge]

Is this one even a suggestion?

Needs more explanation also @orchid garnet

[orchid garnet]

What more is there to explain?

[hollow ridge]

Also saying probably is a bit weak

Also there is workarounds to this

Just turn down your volume?

[orchid garnet]

Edited it

[grim tusk]

Dynamic music in Terraria

Iirc its not possible

[orchid garnet]

Well im deleting it then

[drowsy plank]

lol

[hollow ridge]

Gone

Reduced to atoms

A fine attempt however

[swift wharf]

reduce all volume

ez

[atomic shell]

[small timber]

@lean prairie #suggestions-voting messagea a recent suggestion does almost the same thing

(except like wulfrum door)

[lean prairie]

ah

oki 👍

so do you want me to delete it

[small timber]

depend on how much you want wulfrum door basically

the platform and wall part is delete yeah (because duplicate)

[lean prairie]

not very much

so ill get rid of it

i made a wulfrum build and my god is it the worst thing ive ever built

those are exo walls/platforms

[small timber]

"hmm yes greenish plastic looking metal buildings"

tbh a lot of these furniture suggestions end up being just whether the calart server provided the sprite to be implemented, but yeah

[lean prairie]

ah

[drowsy plank]

shrimply sprite it yourself

[glass arch]

@scenic socket SIS

[hollow ridge]

Least obvious sis

Fuck

[scenic socket]

?

[golden tulip]

hell gell

[glass arch]

specific item suggestion

[hollow ridge]

Read do and donts

[scenic socket]

whats sius?

[golden tulip]

sus

[scenic socket]

oh

[hollow ridge]

.

[glass arch]

(reading the suggestion rules helps)

[hollow ridge]

Specific items suggestion or something

[scenic socket]

sorry

i didnt see that

[hollow ridge]

💀

LMAO

[glass arch]

lmao

@kind gorge formatting and reasoning

[hollow ridge]

@kind gorge

Read dos and donts

Also yea

What they said

[scenic socket]

look, i just joined, and i am reading it now

[half imp]

asking for more gel is fine, but can't ask for specific gels

[kind gorge]

did i just made a no-no?

[hollow ridge]

Yes

[scenic socket]

ohhhh

[kind gorge]

oop

[hollow ridge]

Well kinda

[scenic socket]

taht makes sense

[half imp]

provide reasoning why we need more gels

[scenic socket]

i just thought those gels would make flame throwers more interesting

[half imp]

basically, treat it like you're trying to convince the devs that we do need this stuff

[scenic socket]

jsut some ideas i had for it

[glass arch]

yes, mainly because you forgot reasoning and formatting
the concept on its own is good, just isnt fleshed out enough to be a suggestion

[kind gorge]

ugh too lazy to type

ill do it later

[scenic socket]

where is the "do's?"

i read the donts but i dont see the dos

[glass arch]

the do's are basically anything that isnt on the donts doc

[hollow ridge]

Is darts a subclass?

Also that one is better

[glass arch]

i dont think so

[crude geode]

@scenic socket This is impossible

[scenic socket]

how?

[half imp]

Internally, no

but could be argued it is

However

I'm not saying for the sake of subclass runs, add more darts

[hollow ridge]

Was it Weapons?

Or ammo

[half imp]

I said primarily weapons

Ammo was a note at the end

[eternal escarp]

well it will be instantly off'd
adding more unique gel is impossible

[half imp]

oh

[hollow ridge]

zad

[half imp]

i doubt it's impossible but it's way more work than it's worth

[crude geode]

code wise is the problem

[scenic socket]

how is it impossible?

[crude geode]

iirc

[half imp]

yes I code mods

[scenic socket]

im confused

[eternal escarp]

flamethrowers entire way of being is converting gel into a specific proj
so even if it was easy, itd cause a huge need to rebalance every flamethrower

[half imp]

^

[grim tusk]

Vanilla hardcoding

[half imp]

yeah it's just not practical

it is possible but requires way too much effort

[hollow ridge]

Make calamity into its own game

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah everythings likely possible but its just not really feasable

[scenic socket]

dang

gels for flamethrowers would be interesting tho

[hollow ridge]

What sort of ideas did you have?

[half imp]

I'm saying because darts are genuinely some of the more fun ranged weapons due to having such unique ammo, but you only have access to it for 3 tiers, and only one of those has the cool ammos

[scenic socket]

but i can see why it wouldnt be that possible

[eternal escarp]

thats why each flamethrower has a different proj

its as if each flamethrower has a different gel

[scenic socket]

adding types of gels for flamethrowers

[hollow ridge]

Yes

But what types

[half imp]

I saw a bouncy one

[hollow ridge]

Like surely just normal gel is enough

[scenic socket]

i had some prehardmode ones atm

but just some interesting ideas

[half imp]

More ammo variety is welcome but it's just not practical for flamethrowers

[hollow ridge]

And unique weapons have their own proj

[scenic socket]

if its ok, can i post the ideas here?

[hollow ridge]

Sure

[scenic socket]

even if i know they wont makek it

[eternal escarp]

prolly better tpo move to like
#calamity-mod-talk for that

[hollow ridge]

But it was already stated it'd be impossible to add

[eternal escarp]

i think

as for the dart thing

[hollow ridge]

[eternal escarp]

the only dart weapon previously in cal was removed
rest in piece, charged dart blaster 😔

i do agree though
a few more dart weapons could be cute

[blazing kettle]

this sugg just seems liek a hell and a half

[eternal escarp]

possibly in place of boring bow number 65

[half imp]

exactly

I'm still so sad the mod community chose flamethrowers over dart weapons when dart weapons are clearly cooler (and more fleshed out in vanilla)

[hollow ridge]

Cooler looking fire

[blazing kettle]

how tf do you even make ubique gels work for flamethrowers

there only liek 3 unique gels in terraria and calamity

[crude geode]

something being fleshed out in vanilla doesn't mean mods will interact with it

[eternal escarp]

too far

arson my beloved

[half imp]

ideally

both are here

[eternal escarp]

so true

[glass arch]

you really dont
iirc all flamethrowers have a different projectile so more gels wouldnt really work

[half imp]

yeah

[blazing kettle]

the most i could see is a difference in color

[half imp]

it's just odd that the 2 flamethrowers and 1 ammo are what most mods add to

instead of the 4 dart weapons with 5 ammos

[scenic socket]

no one really saw it, or at least, didnt seem to care

when i sent it there

[blazing kettle]

what

[scenic socket]

my gel types idea

[hollow ridge]

It'd never be implemented anyway?

[glass arch]

it would be a lot harder to implement without overhauling flamethrowers as a whole

[scenic socket]

i know

i just thought they sounded like some cool gel ideas

yk?

just wanna see what people think of them

even if they never are used or implemented

[blazing kettle]

again, how would you make unique gel effects work

[scenic socket]

idk, i just thought it would be cool

and appearently it would require an entire flamethrower revamp

so yeah

chances are its a no

but the gels make for an interesting idea

[drowsy plank]

it would be very nice to get some dart weapons instead of just
gun/bow/other

like at least we have rocket launchers i guess

[half imp]

yeah

donors have dropped the ball tbh

not a single dart weapon

[drowsy plank]

so true

[blazing kettle]

has there ever been a donor wapon that has been removed?

[drowsy plank]

put in a dart gun that's a reference to metal gear solid or something cmon donors

i dont think so?

[half imp]

^^^

some donor on their way to request charged dart blaster 🧠

[drowsy plank]

lmfao god

[glass arch]

i can check

but i doubt it

[ashen warren]

should the zenith be moved to endgame and be given a stat boost across the board? It kinda doesn't have a place right now since it's too weak for exos and scal but too strong for yharon

[drowsy plank]

no

please read the rules

they're in the pins

[blazing kettle]

give zenith 2 more damage please

[glass arch]

not a donor item but Animus (a fab dev weapon) was removed according to the wiki

[drowsy plank]

also i somehow doubt you have actually tested zenith on those bosses

oh right animus

funny haha

plus that would go in #1042197406776827914 anyway lol

[fervent orbit]

why ask for more gel

just ask for pink gel to work with flamethrowers

[grim tusk]

Even then it would be IL hell

[fervent orbit]

also flamethrowers dont need more

they dont deserve it

they only have 2 vanilla weapons anyway

[distant gyro]

get pink gel to work with flamethrower but all it does is 0 damage instead of -1

[fervent orbit]

where the sandgun subclass?

[distant gyro]

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure its now decent against em after some tweaks as of lately.

Remember that Exos and Scal are just long fights in general

[distant gyro]

also it doesn't need IL but it's stupid

[grave zinc]

@spring sail - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add biome torches to be consistent with vanilla]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

cal adds more sandguns than dart weapons

opression

[distant gyro]

-1 dart weapon for charged dart blaster

[fervent orbit]

yea but theres an overall more dart weapons than sandgun weapons

4 > 2

[worldly basalt]

auric blowgun when

[eternal escarp]

blowpipe, warpipe, dart rifle, dart pistol..

huh i guess there are only 4

touche..

[fervent orbit]

tf is a warpipe

[half imp]

blowgun?

[eternal escarp]

wait its called blowgun?

[fervent orbit]

...

yes

[eternal escarp]

wtf i couldve sworn it was warpipe

[fervent orbit]

no

[eternal escarp]

oh well

[half imp]

there's a simple solution

add warpipe

[hollow shell]

then add a DoG item called "Warp Ipe"
iunno what an "ipe" is, but

[glass arch]

Ipe extensible drawing editor is a free vector graphics editor for creating figures in PDF or EPS format. It can be used for making small figures for inclusion into LaTeX documents as well as making multi-page PDF presentations. according to google

so a warp vector graphics editor

[hollow shell]

Also appears to be a type of wood from a Brazilian tree
so

DoG dimension tree

[glass arch]

hmmmm

craftable cosmilite melee weapon thats just a giant fucking metal tree

[north oracle]

i support this

[crude geode]

As if we need more post dog weapons

[swift wharf]

as if we need more post dog melee* weapons

actually as if we need more weapons

[crude geode]

So true

[grim tusk]

Pre-Providence rogue

Pre-Exos/Scal summoner

Whips

Dev weapons for the new devs

Acid rain T3

Exhumed melee, rogue and ranger weapons

Mage exos drop

[half imp]

ayo

[glass arch]

cant wait for doze to break those tbe second they're released

[half imp]

I hope melee gets an exhumed AotC

I think that would go hard

[grim tusk]

Why would we exhume an Auric weapon

[half imp]

because it would be cool

[grim tusk]

And we are prob not adding something as complicated as AotC again

[half imp]

fair

[grim tusk]

At least for regular items

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's fair

Especially with the fact AotC is balance hell

[grim tusk]

Maybe some dev will have a wacky idea for their item

[glass arch]

the curse of a cool weapon is to be very wacky with balance

[half imp]

so true

[kindred skiff]

What’s aotc

[half imp]

ark of the cosmos

[kindred skiff]

Ohh

I’m mixed on all of the ark weapons

[half imp]

exhumed phosphorescent gauntlet that lets you become cataclysm

when

[glass arch]

oh zamn thatd be cool

[half imp]

it would be so cool

I have genuinely no clue what ranger could use

[glass arch]

it would be so awesome

[half imp]

exhumed malachite that becomes scal's brim darts and lives up to the malachite reputation

[glass arch]

ranged gets ummm an exhumed rocket launcher that has the gigablasts as projectiles

[half imp]

ooh

[glass arch]

thanatos shredder 2

[half imp]

actually

rogue could use gigablasts

normal is a small blast and stealth becomes gigablast

[glass arch]

tf does ranged get then

[half imp]

uhh

[glass arch]

exhumed minishark that rapid fires brimstone darts

[half imp]

clockwork bow that-

nvm that's just the ranged drop

seven's striker that uses your health as currency

[glass arch]

oooo

blood boiler 2 electric boogaloo

[cobalt pewter]

final dawn exh

[half imp]

the coin you choose as ammo could change how much health is taken but also greatly effect the damage

[grim tusk]

Donor weapon

[fervent orbit]

if i can become a cal dev i can be immortalised in calamity forever

[glass arch]

@ashen warren no

this goes against like
everything in the donts doc

[thin hill]

no

lmao

[ashen warren]

Thats the point

[blazing kettle]

the hell did i miss

[ashen warren]

Me being an idiot

[thin hill]

"Add the lorde back"

[blazing kettle]

you dumy

he coems back every april 1st

[atomic shell]

I lov the lorde he’s so cool

[hollow shell]

funniest calmain user

[half imp]

oh my goodness

[half imp]

will he though

[blazing kettle]

he does every year, just like santa every christmas

[ornate kestrel]

You could just set the date to April 1st so he is always there

[blazing kettle]

[sly axle]

where can I suggest changes for the wiki?

I believe Aerialite spawns on floating islands now and aerogel slimes spawn there too

oh

wiki discussions

mb

[glass arch]

thats on the wiki already

[sly axle]

the wiki still says its generated underground

"Aerialite Ore is a Pre-Hardmode ore which generates anywhere in the Underground and Cavern layers upon defeating The Hive Mind or The Perforators. It is used to craft Aerialite Bars at a Furnace. It requires at least a Nightmare Pickaxe or a Deathbringer Pickaxe to mine. It is also dropped by Aero Slimes."

this is the aero slime description too

"The Aero Slime is a Pre-Hardmode slime which spawns naturally in the Cavern layer after the player has defeated The Hive Mind or The Perforators. They exist to drop Aerialite Ore, so that the player cannot use up all the ore available to them. Unlike other ore slimes, they can fly around freely."

[glass arch]

not on the correct wiki

[sly axle]

oh shoot

theres multiple

mb you right

ty i didn't know there was 2 wikis

[pale nacelle]

Official wiki: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/

**Do not use the Fandom wiki**

It will no longer be updated nor maintained, and it is heavily vandalized with fake information.

Use the official Calamity Mod Wiki here at wiki.gg instead.

[hollow shell]

yea

[sly axle]

I thought i was so smart to figure that out too😭

[hollow shell]

It's confusing, and if we had our way, there would only be one.
But sadly this is the reality we live in

[sly axle]

if only google made the real wiki the top search

its like 3 websites down

[hollow shell]

Yep..

[sly axle]

well sorry bout that

[hollow shell]

Fandom is a scummy service that does everything to kiss up to Google for the top slots

It's alright, no fault of your own

[sly axle]

at least the fandom took me to the discord which had the right answers lol

[hollow shell]

m

[sly axle]

one more question

will we ever get malice mode back

[glass arch]

no

[sly axle]

fair

[hollow shell]

I wanna say no, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility.
It's incredibly unlikely because of how much of a controversy there was about it, that led to its removal so soon after implementation.
But, the devs that were most against Malice Mode have all left the team now, and the remaining devs are primarily former testers and nohitters

[sly axle]

honestly the only reason i wanted it was to really test the limits of how hard you can make terraria without just making it all bullet hell

is that a word i can say on here?

[glass arch]

yes

[sly axle]

okay thats good

[hollow shell]

yeah dw we're not a Christian server

[glass arch]

the discord gives like 0 fucks about the language you use as long as it isnt a slur

[hollow shell]

fuckshit

[sly axle]

ahhh i seee

[crude geode]

peepee

[glass arch]

poopoo

[north oracle]

that's us

[sly axle]

ive seen a few mods add back malice but theyre glitchy

and they usually get removed fast

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah you can go play the Infernum Mod if you want some extra challenge, assuming you haven't heard of it already

[sly axle]

wait whats that?

i have not heard

[glass arch]

so imagine malice
and do basically none of that

[hollow shell]

Mod that completely reworks the AIs of all Calamity bosses, in a new difficulty mode

Huge new attacks n stuff

[sly axle]

how have i not heard this.....

[glass arch]

plus a bit of worldgen (the biggest thing is a bit fucky with crags now but it should get fixed eventually)

[sly axle]

does it change and vanilla bosses?

any*

[hollow shell]

Uhh I think
yeah, it does
All the vanilla bosses have new stuff too

[sly axle]

i thought that 1700 hours of terraria was enough but l guess im in for another 150

[hollow shell]

lol

[sly axle]

i have a problem

[cobalt pewter]

I fucking hope it doesn't come back

[sly axle]

lmao

what was so wrong with it lol

i never heard the controvesy

[hollow shell]

I almost hope it does because that'd be so so funny

[cobalt pewter]

you're killing me

[hollow shell]

It's a long story

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

hang on

[sly axle]

i have a tag that says im new

[cobalt pewter]

rover boutta enact a bedtime story on malice mode

[sly axle]

ill sit by the campfire n listen then

[hollow shell]

No need
Here is the official message on the subject: #changelogs message

[cobalt pewter]

damn

[sly axle]

ah i see

honestly, when i played I had qol mods that made it possible

[crude geode]

That. doesn’t sound like qol mods

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

[sly axle]

well ig not but things like imksushi

where you could have infinite potion buff

[hollow shell]

mmmm

my favorite

[sly axle]

i just hate grinding plants and fishing every playthrough

[ornate kestrel]

I have a mod that adds stronger potion upgrades to the vanilla ones

I only got it cause infernum would kick my ass post ml

[sly axle]

alchemistnpc is one i sometimes use but if you use it with imk sushi it gets broken really fast

[ornate kestrel]

Everything before is easy

But post ml is truly difficult

[north oracle]

yep

that's infernum

[ornate kestrel]

It cranks the difficulty up from 11 to 20 on a scale of 10

It's fun

[glass arch]

ive heard post providence is where it mainly starts to get really hard

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

Post ml

Most of post ml anyway

[sly axle]

i just finished another death ftw playthrough, got stomped 8 times by yharim then did a 1 take on sup cal and through i was dreaming only to get destroyed by mechs several times

[glass arch]

mfw hyperiif calls inf dog free because hes fought it countless times

[ornate kestrel]

DoG actually lives up to his name in infernum

[sly axle]

i gotta try it now

[ornate kestrel]

You might die a few hundred times

[sly axle]

i hope not

[ornate kestrel]

Maybe a thousand

If you're bad

[sly axle]

what qol mods are acceptible to remove grind but not make game op?

im not that bad

[ornate kestrel]

Alchemist npc lite

[sly axle]

i got too many hours tbh

[ornate kestrel]

I have like 2k hours

[sly axle]

damn

[ornate kestrel]

I need a new hobby

[sly axle]

fr but same

im approaching that

[ornate kestrel]

I think it's 2k hours

Cause I also played Mobile terraria a lot

[sly axle]

i played probably around 400 hours on mobile

[ornate kestrel]

I got like 600ish

[sly axle]

that was before i had a pc

[ornate kestrel]

Probably more

[sly axle]

im confused, is this a competition lol

[ornate kestrel]

I played mobile for 2-4 years probably

Then I got a pc

It was a great upgrade

[cobalt pewter]

in any case malice was a case of taking a sugg, twisting it for the worse, and forcing people to get 1% droprate stuff outta effectively impossible gamemode on tier

I hated it because of a personal beef but there's still lots of things wrong with malice

that led to its eventual removal

[ornate kestrel]

I cheated the malice exclusive stuff in

I refused to touch it

I'm just trying to play the game

[sly axle]

lmao

[glass arch]

i gotta play malice some day

[north oracle]

i don't want to play malice

[ornate kestrel]

Not have things that I used to grind for and got normally be locked behind a difficulty I don't wanna play

I tried malice once

It was worse than infernum in some cases with difficultly

The best example as stated was the exo mechs

I think I tried

And then said wow

[cobalt pewter]

malice existed in the time I had Terraria burnout, so I never touched it in its entire life

[ornate kestrel]

It's good you didn't

[sly axle]

now that i think abt it, i prolly playeed malice mode with fargos souls so i didn't notice the bosses were terribly hard

[cobalt pewter]

but seeing this sugg being the catalyst for that stupidity is enough to make me angy
#suggestions-voting message

[sly axle]

which just breaks the progression of calamity

[north oracle]

i had just started playing the game when 1.5 was released and didn't get good enough till 2.0 when it was gone

[ornate kestrel]

I played before 1.5

I remember the old biome blade upgrade line

[sly axle]

the first time i played terraria was for bout a week straight on the og demo on mobile

[crude geode]

It’s so fucking cringe that that happened

[ornate kestrel]

Does anyone else remember the omega biome blade

[crude geode]

Taking a perfectly good concept and turning the worst part of it and expanding upon that

[cobalt pewter]

a whole ass mode even

[glass arch]

isnt that just true biome blade now

[sly axle]

anyone remember on mobile when the pickase axe was found in shadow chests lol

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the renaming instances for BB line up until Galaxia were downgraded

BB to BBB
TBB to BB
OBB to TBB

[ornate kestrel]

OBB was an endgame weapon iirc

[glass arch]

i dont remember it (didnt play mobile back then) but its still funny that the devs thought that was fine

[hollow shell]

Ah, I do not think that sugg caused Malice at all

[cobalt pewter]

(none to Broken
True to none
Omega to True)

[cobalt pewter]

oh? is that tea

[ornate kestrel]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

ready to be spilled

🍵

[ornate kestrel]

Spill the tea

[cobalt pewter]

anyways yea I just

hate malice now

and glad it's not returning (for now)

[hollow shell]

I personally always held the belief that a challenge or special condition for a guaranteed drop is better than an RNG drop

I was one of the people who advocated for something like Malice Mode... in its original proposal, before it became what it became

[sly axle]

personally i play malice with the souls mod and just smash every boss like im the boss

[ornate kestrel]

Ok

[north oracle]

it was a good concept

[ornate kestrel]

If malice were to be reimplemented

Then make the drops not be exclusive

But low

Unless malice

[sly axle]

count you get the drops if you beat the boss, no hit

[north oracle]

that ship has sailed now

[ornate kestrel]

And make the fights fair enough to be beat

[sly axle]

or is that a fargos thing

too many mods to remember

[hollow shell]

I originally proposed ideas like
a challenge that is exactly the same for all the bosses it applied to, which would be like, 9 at the time?
Something like
having Badelines / Mario Cosmic Clones following you around during the fight, replaying your movements
or having chains spawn in streaks across the screen that stun you on contact

But then it became an enrage thing
Then it became applied to all bosses
Then it became its own difficulty mode
Then it lost its exclusive drops (the entire reason why the mode was added in the first place)
Then it got removed.

[ornate kestrel]

I feel the exclusive drops was annoying

[north oracle]

that could've been pretty cool honestly

although the concept of it being a refight mode was also very weird

[ornate kestrel]

I might've been fine if the fights were fair and more balanced

Cause I'm not refighting if I don't have to

[sly axle]

okay, this could be a bad idea but what if they made malice slightly harder than infernium and made the drops a no hit so theres no rng

[hollow shell]

Yeah that was just Copium. It was never intended to be like that

[ornate kestrel]

No

[sly axle]

i did say it was a bad idea

[ornate kestrel]

What about the poor normal people

[alpine dawn]

It was a ✨ lie ✨

[hollow shell]

Don't reward nohitters

:(

[ornate kestrel]

A cover up of a mistake

[hollow shell]

Dangerous slippery slope that Calamity slipped the fuck down

[ornate kestrel]

Never reward no hitters

[sly axle]

ah

[alpine dawn]

The roles?

[ornate kestrel]

No

No hitters in general

As a whole

[north oracle]

oh lol 💀

[ornate kestrel]

They don't need to be rewarded for doing something completely unnecessary

[sly axle]

what if they made people think the no hit had an amazing reward and instead you give them an accessory that shows how many hours they wasted trying to no hit that boss

[north oracle]

the nohit roles ended up causing a whole llot of superiority complexes iirc

[ornate kestrel]

Probably

[hollow shell]

Enforced an ideology of difficulty
People would get good at the hardest challenge then ask for something harder
People would exploit obscure mechanics then beg that they get patched out because they 'trivialize the fight'
Boss difficulty was determined by how many attempts it took to no-hit them

[royal tapir]

They did?

Hmm