bat that fires projectile
#suggestions-discussion
swift wharf
drowsy plank
cryogen jr.
oak bison
I never stated it had to behave identically to it's enemy version, I just put as an example,
And I thought they should be included to make it feel more complete
should i just axe it
drowsy plank
please
swift wharf
make a suggestion to remove cosmic elemental instead
golden sonnet
what if, it also summoned chaos elementals that just TP around : )
swift wharf
nobody uses bone sword
drowsy plank
so true!!!
golden sonnet
make a suggestion to remove cosmic elemental instead
actually based
oak bison
fine ill get rid of it
drowsy plank
would be cooler if it was like... enchanted sword from the hallowed, was rarer as an enemy, and always dropped at least one sword
i think that could be neat
there were discussions about reworking it into a "sword elemental" anyway
crude geode
I think we need less random ass underground enemies
drowsy plank
put it in space 
crude geode
So true
drowsy plank
it's "cosmic" after all
swift wharf
ill put YOU in space
golden sonnet
ill put YOU in space
please
crude geode
I really hope someone put in a amogus meme before the donos closed
That way mpg and xpc have to mald over funny amogus weapon/accessory/whatever
If this sugg isn’t an extremely specific amogus sugg I will be disappointed cogni
drowsy plank
im sorry it isnt
crude geode
drowsy plank
it is kind of equally dumb but none of my other suggestions for this kind of change have gotten through so far lol
pirate truly is one of the NPCs of all time
this sugg is kind of vague but if i can't get him to sell the pirate invasion items maybe he could at least sell some cal ones. or be used by cal. in literally any capacity
like we have an ocean full of monsters and a literal pirate and all he does is say "oh nice job killing the sea serpent and siren. ok back to doing nothing"
crude geode
Seems good
north oracle
Make pirate useful
golden sonnet
Calamity makes angler not a piece of shit by giving good rewards, reworks goblin to be less of scam artist and actually do his job, and removes party girl's OF privilege's by removing the text on sparkle slime balloons. I think this would be a good addition to calamity's list of NPC's made less miserable.
even if pirate wasn't annoying, just forgettable
drowsy plank
yeah
dim flax
old duke is boring, thus we should apply the rule of PEMDAS and use two negatives to create a positive.
worldly basalt
that has nothing to do with pemdas
dim flax
yes it does
crude geode
I love insane justifications because you don’t have any actual ones
dim flax
multiply a negative (old duke) by a negative (older duke) and you get a positive (theoretical baby duke)
dim flax
I love insane justifications because you don’t have any actual ones
being too serious is bad for one's self, such is the same for being too silly. man must balance both arts. being a goofy goober, and a massive stinker
crude geode
And are deliberately ignoring the more major point, that boss suggs aren’t allowed
worldly basalt
multiply a negative (old duke) by a negative (older duke) and you get a positive...
thats not even pemdas though
dim flax
yuh huh
drowsy plank
being too serious is bad for one's self, such is the same for being too silly. m...
joke suggestions are against the rules too
just saying
crude geode
Excessive memeing is also against the rules, regardless of channel
grim tusk
@drowsy plank this seems to fall under the large scale rework dont partially
But im unsure so I wont ❗ for the moment
Him having more sales does sound very nice though and not large scale
drowsy plank
<@166992984171085824> this seems to fall under the large scale rework dont parti...
i understand the sentiment, but im purposefully leaving it as open as possible, the real suggestion was mostly just "do something with the pirate related to cal's water biomes" which is vague enough that i dont think it's a major rework
bc god does he need Literally Anything
i can remove the last two lines if that makes it any better
amber lodge
old duke is boring, thus we should apply the rule of PEMDAS and use two negative...
Ye but a third one could be even more boring
grim tusk
i understand the sentiment, but im purposefully leaving it as open as possible, ...
Yea sounds good then
cobalt pewter
next time we should rework Frost Legion to expand on cryogen lore
wait what is Frost Legion again
dawn yoke
next time we should rework Frost Legion to expand on cryogen lore <:clueless:106...
write that its the archmages attempt at building a population for his kingdom again, but then oooh spooky stuff, and now theyre evil
cobalt pewter
the point of having higher graveyard count is because cal makes you die more
thus making you drop more graveyards in the same area
swift wharf
can't you craft the shovel or am I getting qol'd
serene tendon
I really hope someone put in a amogus meme before the donos closed
Wait, donator items can't be made anymore?
cobalt pewter
they no longer accept donos
swift wharf
you can't ask for donor items anymore
cobalt pewter
but they still have a backlog
dawn yoke
sad, i was going to ask for a comically large spoon to be added into the mod
serene tendon
but they still have a backlog
huh, well that explains why they are still being added
swift wharf
some qol let's make craft the shovel without ecto mist
lets*
fucked up
anyways it would be so awesome if graveyards only counted for placed tombstones
golden sonnet
Alternatively, you could have Cal do what all the QoL mods do, and add a toggle for gravestones spawning in the first place
that way the placement requirement can be the same as vanilla
swift wharf
byeah the requirement is good but still scuffed
cobalt pewter
Alternatively, you could have Cal do what all the QoL mods do, and add a toggle ...
at that point why not let qol mods do it for ya
crude geode
bc calamity must absorb every qol mod in existence
worldly basalt
with magic storage you only need one grave to use graveyard recipes iirc
hollow shell
@prime quest You should at least address the reason why it was upped in the first place, that is boss arenas quickly getting turned into graveyards
(I'm like 90% sure that was the primary/only reason, anyway)
small timber
Make gravestone craftable
cobalt pewter
I think my funny idea is
small timber
I am sure everyone here will love this idea
cobalt pewter
to make the dropped gravestones not materialize into placeable stones nearby other placed gravestones
this won't affect player placed gravestones
crude geode
What
cobalt pewter
yeah my bad English
the dropped gravestones typically will immediately become a placed gravestone as soon as they find 2 flat tiles to stand on
(the dropped gravestone state is where they can just roll around)
ripe owl
if (any gravestones nearby) { turn into an eternal boulder lol, you already have a lot of shit going on and now there's a trip wire; }
hearty yew
Hey I hate to be that guy
But we just implemented an alternative exodium obtainment method as an emergency because it's a progression blocker
hearty yew
We're also looking at planetoid gen to try and stop them from failing to appear
half imp
yea
hearty yew
So I can assure you this doesn't need to be suggested, it's a high priority issue that we've already placed a temporary fix for
half imp
i assumed it was likely, but in case not i put it anyway
hearty yew
yea, you can ask a mod or whoever to have the suggestion deleted
half imp
@hollow shell the exodium recipe suggestion can be deleted, already implemented
in voting
hearty yew
YuH implemented the temporary fix, he can explain what it was
half imp
i'm not worried too much about what, just that it was fixed somehow
hollow shell
presumably you were in talks about it before this sugg was posted 24ish hours ago?
hearty yew
yes
it was identified almost immediately after release and yuh pushed the fix to GitHub earlier today
hollow shell
aight
Here lemme just
grave zincBOT
@half imp - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Re-Add Exodium Cluster Recipe, or an alternative method of getting them]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
hollow shell
Aaand deleted 
half imp
woo
hollow shell
We've had faster
hollow shell
Also @slender remnant That is a Specific Item Suggestion, see the Don'ts Doc in pins
Also, the devs will be adding all the Calamity whips in bulk in a dedicated update some time down the line
hearty yew
there have been times where I've shown up within like 10 minutes to say a suggestion was already implemented
hollow shell
(Are whips not on the Don'ts Doc? I am shocked)
grim tusk
Just add Cal whips to the suggs dont doc as frequently suggested already
hearty yew
(put them there yourself you're an admin now)
grim tusk
They are not there
slender remnant
OH! My bad, I didn't see that!
hollow shell
Yeah lemme do that
hearty yew
also to clarify
hollow shell
I'll put it right at the top cuz it's a very common sugg
grim tusk
I see Cal whips suggs on a bi-daily basis
hearty yew
There are actually no concrete or agreed upon plans to add whips right now, but the devs are sure that whips will be added at some point
grim tusk
First we gotta fix tag dmg after all
hearty yew
I see Cal whips suggs on a bi-daily basis
start replying with a link to the steam workshop mod that adds calamity whips
hollow shell
Yeah, same deal as when I was a dev still.
We had no whips concepted but just knew we wanted to do it at some point
hearty yew
yes, that is still the state of affairs
blazing kettle
sad to see creative ideas go to waste sometimes but its ubderstandable
hearty yew
if they're really THIS highly suggested though, I can try to get them in either with or immediately after the 1.4.4 port
hollow shell
There we go
grim tusk
start replying with a link to the steam workshop mod that adds calamity whips
Theres the Unnofficial Calamity whips (which will become part of Catalyst) mod and its extremely well known and often addressed in the suggs
hearty yew
Yes that's what I'm talking about
slender remnant
start replying with a link to the steam workshop mod that adds calamity whips
Wasn't the whips mod discontinued? Apparently Catalyst absorbed that mod and the flamethrowers one into itself
hearty yew
Tell people to install catalyst then I guess?
grim tusk
Wasn't the whips mod discontinued? Apparently Catalyst absorbed that mod and th...
It still should work for now
Catalyst hasnt added whips yet as we’re reworking a few
And rebalancing em
Since they were all busted
atomic shell
yeah unofficial calamity whips is kind of
half imp
insane
slender remnant
Oh! Are you with the catalysts team? And yeah, I heard as much which is why I wanted to suggest whips here
hearty yew
There we go
We're focusing right now on fixing minions before we mix it up further with whips
slender remnant
Apparently I wasn't the first lol
grim tusk
Oh! Are you with the catalysts team? And yeah, I heard as much which is why I ...
Their lead tester even
north oracle
funny unbalanced whips
slender remnant
That's super cool!
grim tusk
We're focusing right now on fixing minions before we mix it up further with whip...
Belladonna is finally dead :mushrave:
half imp
it's probably still best pre-boss summon
hearty yew
half imp
but at least not cultist viable now
north oracle
it's still best preboss yeah
half imp
having a 1:00 cultist prepatch was
grim tusk
And that was just plague armor’s flat dmg
north oracle
but once you start getting deathstare and stuff its actually a question
grim tusk
Imagine with flat dmg whips (15 sec cultist)
half imp
plus belladonna being broken with flat dmg
yeah
with negative defense from majestic guard i got a 40 second cultist with belladonnas
hilarious
north oracle
its perfectly balanced
slender remnant
It just works
small timber
beetle, plague reaper and prismatic armor:
to a lesser extend melee mythril and adamantite armor too (and apparently brimflame armor even without the active):
grim tusk
Brimflame back? Its been ages
Even tho it was always good
But just overshadowed by spectre or chlorophyte
frosty trellis
Brimflame has been absurd for awhile
grim tusk
Ik
frosty trellis
It's just normally overshadowed by spectre bc the healing hood is.... Overpowered
grim tusk
But no one used it cuz “oh no self damage”
Brimflame with ability although no longer basically being fucking baby demonshade still is strong as hell
hollow shell
But no one used it cuz “oh no self damage”
(That's exactly how it should be imo)
Really strong but feared by the common man
grim tusk
Idk if without the setbonus it still gives Auric a run for its money on damage anymore
Iirc it got nerfed a lot
frosty trellis
Brimflame with ability although no longer basically being fucking baby demonshad...
.... Brimflame ability is budget demonshade enrage wot
grim tusk
Was
frosty trellis
No it kinda is because the 1.3x multiplier does a fuck ton
Especially when combined with rippers
grim tusk
grim tusk
No it kinda is because the 1.3x multiplier does a fuck ton
Its more of a 30% boost now, before it was x1.5 mult
hollow shell
m hage
atomic shell
oh facts
frosty trellis
Its more of a 30% boost now, before it was x1.5 mult
I thought it was a 1.3x multipler?
small timber
it also give stats that surpass all the rest of Hardmode armors (and Nebula with only 2 dam booster)
grim tusk
Im surprised I was able to find that meme
small timber
and nearly same defense as hydrothermic
grim tusk
Hydro at least has far better survivability due to being spectre 2
frosty trellis
Nearly the same defense as hydro? Wtfffffffffffffffffff
hollow shell
Hydro at least has far better survivability due to being spectre 2
god I still fucking hate that so much
small timber
the only thing it can remotely lose against is spectre depend on how much they nerfed the set bonus
grim tusk
god I still fucking hate that so much
Same
We will rework it at some point
Will take a while for concepts to show up tho
Esp with other Cal sets being more of a priority atm
hollow shell
Has Ataxia/Hydrothermic set bonus changed a god damn at all since it was added in 1.0
aside from surface-level tweaks
grim tusk
Unless its the summoner bonus, no
grim tusk
The melee one is just more projectiles, ranegd one is more projectiles, mage is spectre 2, summoner is actually original, rogue is one of the crappiest armors of all time and it has always been outclassed by every hardmode armor
small timber
21%-89% hp: WHO?
grim tusk
that an bloodflare/god slayer rogue
GS rogue is also one that needs changes tbh
hollow shell
Okay actually it was mage exclusive prior to 1.1.7.855, that update gave it all the other class helmets
So all of its other set bonuses at least came from there
But that's still before I even discovered Calamity
small timber
salt on the wound is that rogue get this instead on bloodflare
(and why I hate god slayer rogue)
grim tusk
I think I have an idea for GS rework
frosty trellis
GS rogue when it gives 30 fucking iframes for no reason
grim tusk
Prob reusing one of the concepts that was binned for venerated locket
small timber
not just that, it also have dam and crit on full hp that get inherited into auric
grim tusk
Altho it was like just a concept and nothing got done for it so :xd:
small timber
staying at full hp with auric give you 10% more rogue dam and 15% more crit
you have 1 less HP you get 5% crit instead
grim tusk
Well imma go to sleep
small timber
no copium empyrean armor rework
hollow shell
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
FUCK
Makes me sad, it does
crude geode
So true
Empyrean the red headed stepchild of the lunar armor (completely deservedly)
small timber
empyrean will be very useful with regenator
you can now get free rage and wrath potion
hollow shell
Empyrean the shiny new red coat of paint on a shitty 1980s motor vehicle with the same mechanical problems it always had
Empyrean the
lyrics to Fault Lines by the Mountain Goats
sorry for the weird ass reference but my sheer disappointment in Meld's lack of functional attention can only be expressed through song
cobalt pewter
you can now get free rage and wrath potion
doesn't that only happen on taking dmg
ripe owl
My face when another suggestion with specific requests
Why can't people already get that they're not developers nor external art directors and they can't give random ideas out of nowhere just because they think the ideas are cool
If you want whips - just say so, devs are already working on their own
crude geode
Because people are people
ripe owl
Sadly, yes
frosty trellis
It's bc most suggesters have the mind of cmt people and we all know the average iq of people in cmt
crude geode
It also doesn’t help that some of calamity’s (old) additions are bc “idea cool”, and that still plagues current cal
ripe owl
"room temperature in °C" iq
north oracle
tbf some of the whip ideas that have popped up have been pretty good
still totally unneeded
ripe owl
tbf some of the whip ideas that have popped up have been pretty good
If only devs didn't have their own plans
north oracle
if only devs weren't fully capable of making the mod on their own
ripe owl
""""""
hollow shell
Why can't people already get that they're not developers nor external art direct...
because people do not have a collective consciousness, and we have new people unfamiliar with our sugg practices constantly flowing in
No matter how sternly you teach someone about how our system works
It won't at all teach that to the person who walks in the door for the first time the next day
ripe owl
Too true
north oracle
you'd wish they could read the rules at least but people can't read sometimes
blazing kettle
a average discord user has tunnel vision for the chat and only the chat
north oracle
they can come up with in depth whip ideas that could actually fit into the mod, but don't read the suggestion docs
hollow shell
It's easy to blame the suggesters for not reading
But there's only so much new unfamiliar information you can pour on their heads before their eyes glaze over and they just try their best
blazing kettle
16 years of learning englich and i still dont know how to use "an"
hollow shell
(it goes before phonetic vowel sounds)
ripe owl
16 years of learning englich and i still dont know how to use "an"
An apple
A banana
blazing kettle
cool thank you
north oracle
maybe in the thing they have to do before joining the server they should have to read something that just says "don't make whip suggestions"
hollow shell
👍 lol
north oracle
a opossum
(o here is usually silent, so "possum")
english is weird
blazing kettle
we do have a message at the top of sugg chat that says everythign one would need to know
but its at the top of the chat
north oracle
we do have a message at the top of sugg chat that says everythign one would need...
they don't read that clearly
hollow shell
None of this matters cuz #suggestions-posting is the filter channel
crude geode
^^^^
north oracle
that's a good point
blazing kettle
true
crude geode
Every time someone complains about bad suggestions there I facepalm
hollow shell
You really had to do this hadn't you 😭
You gotta provide cases like those to demonstrate the true usage of "an", such that people don't think it's purely based on a word's written spelling
north oracle
english is so much fun to learn to speak
blazing kettle
i was also sorta genuinely asking
north oracle
and even better to learn to write
hollow shell
a / an is far from English's worst offense
ripe owl
Throughout
north oracle
the entire use of the letter e
blazing kettle
buffalo
north oracle
and inconsistent rules from stealing from other languages
hollow shell
tough
though
thought
through
All different pronunciations of "ough"
blazing kettle
they is another offender
north oracle
bough
crude geode
me when I see English lessons in my sugg discussion
north oracle
another one
crude geode
me when I see English lessons in my sugg discussion
ough
north oracle
cough is another
crude geode
True
blazing kettle
im finna take a fight with all of england for making enlgish
ripe owl
Throughout our school trip on a bus, I manage to throw out the window a bubble gum, a couple of pencils, my classmate for being too annoying, and even some of my breakfast
hollow shell
Erase the concept of language through lightning-based mass brain surgery
crude geode
So true
ripe owl
Throughout our school trip on a bus, I manage to throw out the window a bubble g...
The joke here is just the similarity of pronunciation for "throughout" and "throw out"
crude geode
emoji's do not count
blazing kettle
emojus are images that reflect a emotions, hyroglyphs show actions
ripe owl
emojus are images that reflect a emotions, hyroglyphs show actions
🚶
The hell is this then
north oracle
🤦♂️
crude geode
blazing kettle
The hell is this then
you felt like walking
crude geode
north oracle
hollow shell
ripe owl
emojus are images that reflect a emotions, hyroglyphs show actions
Anyway your argument is bad, try again later after thinking about it more
hollow shell
Sorry I have to get all of the cursed references out of my system
crude geode
Fair
blazing kettle
if anyone asks how i feel in hyroglyphs i would just respind in or 
hollow shell
ok yeah anyway Fuck Daedalus Fuck Reaver Fuck Ataxia and Fuck Meld
1.0-ass unfocused untouched armor set bonuses
north oracle
my default is just
ripe owl
Anyway we should get back on suggestion topics before this channel turns into The Off-Topic
north oracle
this is a good plan
ripe owl
ok yeah anyway Fuck Daedalus Fuck Reaver Fuck Ataxia and Fuck Meld
1.0-ass unfoc...
That's actually right
Empyrean is somewhat good
Reaver got a rework not that long ago
Daedalus and Hydrothermic are just Your Typical Hardmode Ore Armor Sets
crude geode
ok yeah anyway Fuck Daedalus Fuck Reaver Fuck Ataxia and Fuck Meld
1.0-ass unfoc...
The 3 generic armor sets in Hm are just a prelude to the 3 generic armor sets post ml
ripe owl
So true!
hollow shell
Empyrean is not "good"
Maybe balance wise but certainly not design wise
Especially when it's placed next to the lunar armors, which have some of the most interesting and distinct set bonuses in all of vanilla
And Empy is just random projectile spam and also stat buffs
ripe owl
...oh, yeah, its effects weren't changed after the rebranding, right?
crude geode
Yep.
ripe owl
Yeeeeeah
hollow shell
Yeah it got fully resprited but its function wasn't fuckin touched
One of the coolest looking armors in the game
ripe owl
Maybe finally time to bring it up before the 1.4.4 port?
hollow shell
and all it does is just
"hey what if you wore all the ataxia helmets at the same time"
hollow shell
Hydrothermic. That's its old name
hollow shell
I am using the old name pejoratively, because at the time of Meld's designing, it was called Ataxia
ripe owl
@dozez- I mean Hydrothermic Vent
ripe owl
I am using the old name pejoratively, because at the time of Meld's designing, i...
I know, I remember that period
hollow shell
yeah no minion
So, four of the five helmets
ripe owl
I was about to tell you "Try bringing it up" and then I remembered you're not a dev anymore
crude geode
Reaver got a rework to make the armors less shit but it still has the problem of why does this bar exist
ripe owl
Perennial: Chlorophyte but post-Plantera and doesn't grow
north oracle
it's an interesting place to put an ore
crude geode
Perennial: Chlorophyte but we swear it’s not chlorophyte with shittier theming guys we swear
Pinky promise
north oracle
definitely not just cholorphyte but less useful
ripe owl
Pinky promise
Insert Kuze with his hand wrapped in bandage
hollow shell
New Perennial armor I do enjoy for it bending the definition of class helmet
even if the material itself exists for no other reason than tradition and proverbial inertia
We had some very extensive ideas for Perennial just before the exodus
Dom even programmed a lot of it already
But, it's probably all goin in the trash
It'd be a shitshow if the current devs tried to use old dev work like that
ripe owl
An idea of Perennial being removed is the most logical thing
But then the Life Alloy kicks you on the knee
hollow shell
Life Alloy is a nothing filler material
quiet kernel
Make life alloy use chloro
quiet kernel
Make life alloy use chloro
hollow shell
Yes we could just do that
ripe owl
Life Alloy is a nothing filler material
So is an Auric Bar, so is a Miracle Matter, so is insert anything that's just a combination of multiple materials serving a purpose of compact storing
crude geode
Life Alloy isn’t even the main ingredient for the thing it should be (elemental weapons). It’s galactica singularity instead.
cobalt pewter
Life Alloy is just a random ass combination material
north oracle
We had some very extensive ideas for Perennial just before the exodus
Dom even p...
i'd honestly be curious what cal would look like if everything that was almost done was brought to completion
ripe owl
Life Alloy is just a random ass combination material
So is an Auric Bar, so is a Miracle Matter, so is insert anything that's just a combination of multiple materials serving a purpose of compact storing
cobalt pewter
Chlorophyte would be perfectly fine replacing Perennial if it's really needed to be kept
while Perennial can just
poof or smth idfk
hollow shell
Auric and Miracle at least have dedicated themed sets to their name
Nothing in the mod is Life Alloy "themed"
ripe owl
Auric and Miracle at least have dedicated themed sets to their name
Nothing in t...
LET'S VOTE FOR A LIFE ALLOY ARMOR 
cobalt pewter
no
ripe owl
Aw come on
north oracle
do it
hollow shell
(also Auric and Miracle have legitimate and significant lore presence)
crude geode
^^^^^
hollow shell
Yharim is literally wearing auric armor
blazing kettle
was there even any lore for perrenial itself
hollow shell
bitch ain't coppin no Bar Of Life jays
cobalt pewter
the core of eleum / sunlight / havoc (it's havoc now right?) are also useless
ripe owl
the core of eleum / sunlight / havoc (it's havoc now right?) are also useless
Pretty much yes. There was a sugg to remove cores and make the Core of Calamity be crafted from Essences and Plasm
blazing kettle
i know reaver armor was signifigant in old lore because it was braelors(?) armor before he died
but perrenial just, exists
blazing kettle
right
cobalt pewter
perennial literally has nothing
hollow shell
Yeah I had the idea to rename Essence of Chaos to Havoc, in order to prevent thematic confusion / redundancy with The Hallow
And then it was only implemented after I left the team, just to spite me
cobalt pewter
zamn!
ripe owl
hollow shell
(I am joking I know there were other factors involved)
crude geode
God I love how calamity shoves so much garbage into my favorite part of vanilla (post plantera exploration/combat), from garbage materials like perennial and life shards to boss rush galore
ripe owl
Honestly, if anything
crude geode
At the very least ravager is getting moved
ripe owl
Calamity needs a restart
hollow shell
At the very least ravager is getting moved
Ah, they're still going forward with that? neat
blazing kettle
there are a lot of flawed parts of the mod people are starting to see more of now that things are getting overhauled and reworked
ripe owl
I won't be surprised if one day we'll see something like "Calamity: Reloaded"
golden tulip
CALAMITY 2
ripe owl
And the other day we'll see it removed because of the IP
ripe owl
Wdym that’s just Infernum
Infernum changes bosses
Calamity needs changes in everything
"Quantity > Quality" is true for Calamity even when you see a bunch of good things being reworked and what not
crude geode
What?! It doesn’t change the framework of the game to constantly suck my dick???? Those bastards in sugg posting lied to me 
ripe owl
:wires:
golden tulip
"Quantity > Quality" is true for Calamity even when you see a bunch of good thin...
its only true because of its remnants of its old age, they have been working on that for a good while now
ripe owl
That's kinda what I said
hollow shell
What?! It doesn’t change the framework of the game to constantly suck my dick???...
implying that playing Infernum isn't already better than sex 🙄
(I have never played Infernum)
ripe owl
virgin
hollow shell
I am an infergin
north oracle
implying that playing Infernum *isn't* already better than sex 🙄
infernum is better than sex dw... at least winning is
crude geode
can we start calling them that
ripe owl
I am an infergin
I- is that even a real word?
north oracle
infergin yeah, that's the new word
hollow shell
it is now
ripe owl
can we start calling them that
No, bullying someone for not doing something is not right from at least a moral point
hollow shell
The soyjak vanilla-cal infergin VS the chad expansion infernumaxxer
ripe owl
The middleman Souls player
north oracle
No, bullying someone for not doing something is not right from at least a moral ...
yeah but
its funny
crude geode
No, bullying someone for not doing something is not right from at least a moral ...
Fuck morals
hollow shell
If I ever play Calamity again (and there is a possibility that I won't),
I will very likely play with Infernum
north oracle
i have no morals
i shed them when i returned to cmt
north oracle
If I ever play Calamity again (and there is a possibility that I won't),
I will ...
it seriously is quite fun
ripe owl
I would've been playing Infernum right now
If not an eternal burn-out
All I'm doing is either playing Minesweeper or writing my mod
And it's not really cool
hollow shell
yeah it's hard for me to play any Terraria anymore, I've exhausted all my life's worth of Terraria-playing reserves
I'll be running on fumes for years to come
sorry it wasn't very cash money of me as an admin to carry on a pretty offtopic conversation this long
I apologize
hollow shell
wew
hollow shell
I will do everything in my power to prevent that
north oracle
good
eternal escarp
pixl oppression
unique vector
north oracle
thank you rover
hollow shell
(the chances of an among us reference being added to Calamity are nonzero)
but it won't happen through suggs, not on my watch
grave zincBOT
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unique vector
i will get among us into terraria at some point.
grave zincBOT
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eternal escarp
wtf pixl youre breaking the law... ban....,,
hollow shell
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Maybe this one will finally get it added to the game
unique vector
you cannot silence the people
hollow shell
Suggd so many times, no idea why it was never done
eternal escarp
tbf
cant you just break their spawning blocks?
north oracle
Maybe this one will finally get it added to the game
we live in hope
hollow shell
tbf
cant you just break their spawning blocks?
That's, not the best solution
especially because which blocks in particular govern their spawning is not clear to the player
and they run the risk of bricking their world if they can't properly repair it
crude geode
Eidolon Tablet
hollow shell
I say this as someone who has never attempted to modify Cultist spawns via block breaking
north oracle
i've never tried yeah
hollow shell
Aight yeah true we do have that backup plan
eternal escarp
especially because which blocks in particular govern their spawning is not clear...
fair enough, yeah
versed cape
<@828008384422740029> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**give...
Lul what
slender remnant
Sorry about my original submission, I re-read the descriptions for what submissions were allowed and edited it to be more on-par with what was expected
north oracle
a rather large issue with that sug is that if you really enjoy using jumps moab is worse than BoB, as horizontal speed is capped when you have flight time
slender remnant
upon RE-rereading the suggestion don'ts, I apologize for apparently being illiterate /lh
slender remnant
a rather large issue with that sug is that if you really enjoy using jumps moab ...
True, but can't that be pretty much made irrelevant by dashes and good hooks?
north oracle
the point is if you want to play with jumps BoB is more effective
and moab directly nerfs its best feature
slender remnant
I suppose, but jumps aren't really FOR horizontal mobility. That's what hooks, dashes and the rod of discord / normality relocator are for
Also, sorry if I'm coming off as hostile because I'm not trying to be
north oracle
they certainly aren't as good for vertical mobility
north oracle
nah
north oracle
just moab doesn't have the same vertical mobility as other preplant wings
and it doesn't allow bundle to shine with horizontal mobility
slender remnant
The thing is, I typically use it in tandem with mounting the slimy saddle right before I jump and de-mounting immediately afterwards. THAT allows for a lot of burst vertical mobility.
north oracle
true, however it's a very niche use for the item that works just as well as BoB does
using the same method
slender remnant
True, but what I was suggesting is a MOAB with more jumps.
You can't use wings to rocket into space like you can with slimy saddle + BoB.
north oracle
it doesn't really change the fact that it would need a significant other ability to be viable post plant without slimy saddle abuse
slender remnant
That's true
north oracle
especially as it doesn't increase damage at all like class wings
anyway this was mostly me ranting about moab being a really bad wing item
an upgrade would be cool but it's hard to make viable
slender remnant
Maybe it could be combined with the concept of a dash item? Give it another niche ability like flying carpet, and then a dash that works in all directions instead of horizontal
slender remnant
True
If bundle of balloons is better, than why not just upgrade bundle of balloons?
As mentioned before, there's two other balloons that aren't included in the original item
north oracle
hm
you'd need to increase jump height
even just removing the speed cap for MOAB specifically would make it way cooler
slender remnant
Absolutely
It seems like the general consensus of most of the community is that the thing having wings kills it as an item
slender remnant
It definitely seems like MOAB should just be adding Horseshoe, Frog Leg and the other jumps to the original Bundle of Balloons.
north oracle
adding aero stone, frog gear, and horseshoe into BoB would be a pretty cool upgrade
slender remnant
That would be absolutely fantastic
north oracle
not sure how viable it would be but it's a good start
vertical speed would need a buff too
if only it was allowed to suggest specific items
slender remnant
I think you're allowed to suggest specific items as long as you're not suggesting how exactly they work? Suggesting a rework for MOAB but replacing Jetpack with some other aerial maneuverability items would probably be fine
Just don't explicitly say "Here's what you should replace the jetpack with".
north oracle
it would be a bit iffy, just a rework moab to actually be a jump accessory might be better
slender remnant
Fair enough
I've already suggested twice today and the google doc suggests not posting more than that, so unless you're gonna say something I'm going to wait until tomorrow to suggest that
north oracle
using the reasoning of wings nerfing jumps effectiveness would be good reasoning
slender remnant
Yeah
north oracle
I've already suggested twice today and the google doc suggests not posting more ...
yeah, post it tomorrow
slender remnant
Sounds good!
north oracle
good luck
slender remnant
Thanks!
north oracle
versed cape
<@828008384422740029> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**give...
this is the worst suggestion ever
how did it get enough upvotes
small timber
"but what if we can get it for FREE"
you know what will be funni
if the devs just mark this as implemeneted and actually did nothing
because teleportation can teleport you into a shrine at a random astronomical chance anyway
they can just say "well it can teleport you onto or near a shrine, just at a very low chance"
cobalt pewter
"it technically can so fuck off"
drowsy plank
this is the worst suggestion ever
on god it should have been flagging in posting
chrome wyvern
you know what will be funni
if the devs just mark this as implemeneted and actua...
so true
grim tusk
Ah, they're still going forward with that? neat
Yes Rav will be eventually shifted, its plans for it remain unchanged. As to how it will function that needs new ideas.
hollow ridge
You could've given examples ?
Also most of em already have em
They would've made more when they changed their generation
quiet kernel
I am gonna lore nerd now, but the murasama will lose its lore
Since its reference content
quiet kernel
I am gonna lore nerd now, but the murasama will lose its lore
Cei said it
I dont remember when
swift wharf
space shrine
small timber
spawning point shrine where you get legendary zenith at the start of each world
quiet kernel
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/711268703991365642/1070831033576...
Yea that
swift wharf
simply make another copy of the weapon 
small timber
the suggestion core idea (of portable charge station) aside, which half of draedon arsenal weapons are bad
more often or not I hear them breaking the game, draedon arsenal weapons that are bad are more often an exception rather than the norms
in fact many of them a broken even with the charge mechanic wearing their effectiveness down overtime
errant bobcat
Pole warper is really good endgame since Angelic alliance exists, nano gun is quite good, and yea modulator is decent
grim tusk
Wait til this guy finds
Hydraulic Volt crasher, Frequency manipulator (even post-nerfs), Gatling laser, Galvalinzing glaive, Plasma grenades, Wave pounder, Heavy laser rifle, Tracking disk, Taser, Pulse rifle
small timber
funny thing is I think there are more than that (which makes it even more of a question: bad draedon weapons who)
grim tusk
Also this is legit the first time I’ve heard matter modulator being considered strong
@slate crater this falls both on SIS and being a #1042197406776827914
slate crater
what is SIS
grim tusk
Specific Item Suggestion
grim tusk
I bet this guy havent experience true freedom
Considering we are all shackled to society, no one has
small timber
a different kind of freedom but yeah
frosty trellis
Wait til this guy finds
Hydraulic Volt crasher, Frequency manipulator (even post...
The Anomoly's mother fucking Nanogun:
frosty trellis
funny thing is I think there are more than that (which makes it even more of a q...
Star Swallower Containment Unit:
Whatever the post dog melee one was called again;
grim tusk
Star Swallower Containment Unit:
Whatever the post dog melee one was called agai...
Froge fell off hard
Phaseslayer is break your wrist or bad dps
grim tusk
Froge fell off hard
Froge relied and abused so bad the plasma weapons doing bonus dmg to defense
Once that was gone, so was it
frosty trellis
Phaseslayer is break your wrist or bad dps
It's bad DPS even if you break your wrist
It's just bad
Both xpc and I spun that thing like a madman and it just sucks
small timber
"... To actually use this weapon I cranked my mouse sensitivity to maximim"
@slender goblet that is a bug, it goes to #1052323733961977947
And yes it is a known bug
small timber
Last time I used the word oversight they say that oversight is basically a bug so
slender goblet
dose something else or is broken
drowsy plank
look man just read the rules, that doesnt go here
slender goblet
I'll remove it
drowsy plank
thanks
small timber
And to certain degree yes, it is still a bug, because the bulb is supposed to be "dormant" until wof
slender goblet
but the word "bug" is still used wrongly
drowsy plank
ok
small timber
Not just as in unbreakable, it is not even blooming
slender goblet
yeah, but they didn't add code that disables it.
So it's not malfunctioning code, what a bug would be
small timber
Last time I used the word oversight they say that oversight is basically a bug s...
^
slender goblet
The dictionary doesn't care
small timber
Not my quote so dont quote me for it
slender goblet
Yeah no, he#s just wrong
golden sonnet
It is unreasonable to expect a second channel just to report oversights when #1052330262492631071 already exists
Please just use common sense
slender goblet
No that's not needed
small timber
And yes, this one is already known
slender goblet
I just wanted to be correct
drowsy plank
i can tell
slate crater
Wait til this guy finds
Hydraulic Volt crasher, Frequency manipulator (even post...
tracking disk is reliable but low dps, pulse rifle is honestly just outclassed by AMR, wave pounder is difficult to use, and idk about the others
only thing that really grabbed my attention was tesla cannon and pole warper
also pulse dragon is severely underpowered wtf
gatling laser has good damage but it's innacurate + eats through your mana
grim tusk
tracking disk is reliable but low dps, pulse rifle is honestly just outclassed b...
Have you tried armor penetration
slate crater
oh also that lmao many of the draedon weapons are extra-affected by enemy defense for some reason, shit's got negative armor penetration
neat linden
How good is current HVC by the way
slate crater
what is hvc
neat linden
It seems way more like 'Small groups of enemies killer' than 'Worm boss killer' now
neat linden
what is hvc
hydraulic volt crasher
weapon that used to be ridiculously broken for a long time
slate crater
calamity does not appreciate worm abuse
neat linden
but got rebalanced (:D)
thing is i don't know if it got rebalanced rebalanced or barely viable 'balanced'
frosty trellis
tracking disk is reliable but low dps, pulse rifle is honestly just outclassed b...
Pulse Rifle is not outclassed by AMR
Pulse Rifle fucking shreds Exos
Same with Pole Warper
Tesla has always been tesla and has been buffed a few too many times
small timber
@halcyon zealot server suggestions dont go to here, it should go to staff mails (check the pins)
slate crater
Pulse Rifle is not outclassed by AMR
Pulse Rifle fucking shreds Exos
Same with P...
i said tesla and pole warper are great if not amazing, and AMR has that funny crit thing that shreds the enemy with more bullets. so ig i should say AMR is inconsistent but is often more powerful than pulse rifle
small timber
And no I dont think that will help whatsoever when people dont bother to read the in discord instruction, if they make it a second doc that they have to open it up it will just be even worse
frosty trellis
i said tesla and pole warper are great if not amazing, and AMR has that funny cr...
Pulse Rifle is faster killing Yharon than AMR even with good aim unless you do marksman bullshit
neat linden
Marksman rounds are just broken as shit so i would not take them into consideration
slate crater
Pulse Rifle is faster killing Yharon than AMR even with good aim unless you do m...
nvm ur right lol pulse rifle usually better
i mainly want pulse dragon buffed tho
that shit was underwhelming
especially for such a cool concept
frosty trellis
i mainly want pulse dragon buffed tho
Pulse Dragon is fine, just a bit slow on polter
Good for the sentinels though
halcyon zealot
<@266508133474631680> server suggestions dont go to here, it should go to staff ...
ahh gotcha, thanks for the info
halcyon zealot
Making the bugs Doc editable
drowsy plank
@halcyon zealot server suggestions go to @sonic torrent, not in here
if you wanna delete it's just going to get flagged
oh im blind xpc already pinged
but still you should delete it
halcyon zealot
gotcha
drowsy plank
👍
grim tusk
oh also that lmao many of the draedon weapons are extra-affected by enemy defens...
That was formerly the case, that has not happened since the port
grim tusk
i mainly want pulse dragon buffed tho
The needs a rework weapon
@prime quest everything’s fine except the any of the 3 torches for sunken sea
You cannot suggest a specific recipe
Besides it doesnt make sense even
Why would an astral torch make a sunken campfire
Furthermore sea prisms are used for ultrabright torches
prime quest
<@732320554643619944> everything’s fine except the any of the 3 torches for sunk...
But Prism Shards (not Sea Prisms) are used to make the three torches
prime quest
And there are no astral torches
prime quest
Oh right I forgor
That's a good idea.
Are Astral Torches actually planned, by the way?
grim tusk
Iirc yes
hollow shell
@heavy coral iirc that fragment on map feature is from the Boss Checklist mod, would be worth mentioning that in the sugg
Also is this only a problem on Normal Mode? Or do lore items drop separately from the bag
hollow shell
That doesn't- ok thank you
halcyon zealot
lol
hollow ridge
Do I have to make a sugg brfore I can talk abt it here?
Cus im not sure if itd come under the image thing
golden sonnet
you can ask here before posting one
hollow ridge
Aight
halcyon zealot
pov "please add xeroc boss fight"
hollow ridge
Not that big tbh
hollow shell
Your sugg will very likely be acceptable as long as you don't suggest one of the explicitly provided examples on that Don't, i.e. new boss new biome new event
hollow ridge
It's none of em in a way ig
hollow shell
That Don't is basically meant to be like 6 Don'ts in one that all happen to have the same reason
hollow ridge
It's up
crude geode
blegh
hollow ridge
?
crude geode
let's not add another random ass tier to an event when already have pumpkin, frost, and solar eclipse that need redoing post ml
hollow ridge
let's not add another random ass tier to an event when already have pumpkin, fro...
Need
?
sick musk
so would a mage weapon that drops from Apollo and Artemis be acceptable?
hollow ridge
You don't need to do it
hollow ridge
so would a mage weapon that drops from Apollo and Artemis be acceptable?
This is likely planned you'd think right?
If every class has one
sick musk
I mean maybe
but they don't currently have one and I have an idea for one so I'm gonna post it
well actually I'm gonna talk about it here first to get some feedback
if that's okay?
drowsy plank
no
drowsy plank
but they don't currently have one and I have an idea for one so I'm gonna post i...
this right here is why; that'd be a specific item suggestion
sick musk
oh
crude geode
yeah
undone cedar
fun event
drowsy plank
so true
crude geode
if you want a mage drop from them just say you want one and cite consistency (every other class gets drop from exo mechs), but don't be specific about what the weapon should do
hollow ridge
D :
sick musk
ok then
hollow ridge
>fun event
<:XD:936106628833488906>
Possibly a you issue?
drowsy plank
i swear we just got a sugg about getting exo mage wep too lmao
swift wharf
y(80% of the playerbase)ou issue
crude geode
>Need
?
yes, the post ml events need redoing desperately
comparing acid rain t3 to them is like comparing a cake to a steaming pile of shit
also the reasoning for this sugg comes down purely to it'd be cool and that's a don't
undone cedar
Also big scale suggestion
hollow ridge
Wasn't sure abt that tbh
crude geode
yeah I'd wager it falls under the grand scale but I'd rather get the judgement of @hollow shell or someone else
swift wharf
We need a small post ml event tbh
drowsy plank
id rather get a betsy rework before... t4 ooa 
like this is bottom of the barrel update stuff lmfao
swift wharf
post ml rain
hollow shell
Ahhhh, gray area, my favorite
crude geode
you can always blast if for "it'd be cool"
swift wharf
(return of original acid rain)
hollow shell
That's what I'm concerned with lookin at the sugg yeah
Not enough objective reason, too much "it'd be cool" "it'd be fun"
hollow ridge
I can edit it ig
drowsy plank
tbh there's a bigger prob here because the reasoning wouldnt be hard, just cut that part, and change to be;
-consistency with vanilla
-lack of post ML sentry content
-lack of post ML events
but i feel like there are other issues with this, but that's up to rover to decide
crude geode
LACK OF POST ML EVENTS?!??!!
hollow ridge
Does cal care enough about sentries
drowsy plank
the reworked ones dont count
undone cedar
Well adding another tier to the event would presumably mean a few new enemies, a boss, and at least four weapons but probably more
crude geode
that doesn't mean we should add another one now
drowsy plank
then we will have... acid raid t3 and that is it
swift wharf
we SHOULD add another even
we have a big event we should add a small event
like rain/sandstorm
drowsy plank
frost legion 2
hollow ridge
T2 slime rain
drowsy plank
swift wharf
because pre-hm/hm all have the 3 types of events
drowsy plank
acid rain is the rain/sandstorm type event
swift wharf
small events that can happen randomly - sandstorm, rain, windy day, etc
medium events that happen during the night or day - blood moon and solar eciipse
and big events that have progression bars - frost moon, pirate invasion blah blah blah
drowsy plank
tbh there's a bigger prob here because the reasoning wouldnt be hard, just cut t...
ok but fr @hollow ridge you should get rid of the "cool" reasoning and put this instead at the very least
hollow ridge
Yuh
drowsy plank
small events that can happen randomly - sandstorm, rain, windy day, etc
medium e...
actually that seems really cool i agree
crude geode
a small event would be nice
crude geode
yoooo bring back random lightning strikes from death mode that instantly obliterate your soul 
crude geode
death mode lightning...
same hat
swift wharf
do that but they look like overhaul's lightning and not cultist lightning
hollow ridge
Aew horizon lightning
swift wharf
it would be COOL and show the existence of storm weaver
hollow ridge
He just weaves about in PML thunderstorms
It'd be cool if sentinels did something more then just be DoGs guys
crude geode
they're barely even that
tbfh
insert sugg about making the sentinels actually share attacks with dog
drowsy plank
add drastic sunny weather pre-Provi that works like it did in pokemon ruby and then add enemies for it and link it to providence somehow
undone cedar
add drastic sunny weather pre-Provi that works like it did in pokemon ruby and t...
Make it melt the ice biome into water
fossil finch
Suggesting dog changes is like going up to a blackhole and telling it to stop consuming everything
crude geode
this isn't about dog it's about the sentinels (but it would probably need dog to inherit from the sentinels instead )
half imp
*insert sugg about making the sentinels actually share attacks with dog*
dog now spawns weaver tornadoes, dark energies, and cosmilamps.
are you happy now
errant bobcat
I have a feeling the ooa sugg would have to get approved by makers of dungeon defenders
hollow ridge
zad
grim tusk
- OoA being DD2 restricts us like so fucking bad
Heck we will not make any lore for it and other crossover stuff
Other than
“Interlopers from another dimension”
drowsy plank
can we just pretend DD2 isnt real like thorium or whatever other mod added more OOA content
grim tusk
We want to do that lmao
drowsy plank
i realize now OOA feels like terraria is just constantly running with another mod tacked on
OOA becomes Noxus's Army
swift wharf
makes sense
drowsy plank
i mean he is an "old one"
serene tendon
Other than
“Interlopers from another dimension”
That's all it needs to be. The lore for crossover content is up to the game in question. Perhaps there could be some Calamity-related explanation for how a portal to another dimension was made though, preferably something other than "Yharim did it lol".
grim tusk
"the portal appeared some day"
"idk how and where it came from"
"just deal with it lol"
- Yharim
or maybe Yharim just doesnt know about dimensional interlopers (besides the Calamity relevant ones ofc like DoG)
serene tendon
lul
grim tusk
Thats gonna be my headcannon as to why they dont have lore items
grim tusk
can we just pretend DD2 isnt real like thorium or whatever other mod added more ...
Although the reality its just this
We only see it for balancing
Other than that
north oracle
that's what i do in pt's too
fathom aspen
friends of mine found an exploit: crafting 1000 golden bullet (all materials can be bought) costs 3g90s altogether; while selling marksman rounds made from these will earn you 10gold, not counting happiness multipliers
PROFIT
swift wharf
truly suggestion discussion worthy
frosty trellis
Me when I can spam kill EoC for 3 times that amount a kill:
crude geode
Can we add money exploits to balance suggestions https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1042197406776827914
fathom aspen
well just dk where is better to put it
swift wharf
money exploit -> oversight -> bugs
north oracle
noone wants to make tracers unviable again
atomic shell
oh ok they finally loaded
heavy coral
<@542287993558532096> iirc that fragment on map feature is from the Boss Checkli...
Alright ill add it to the post
frosty trellis
noone wants to make tracers unviable again
C.tracers are more than viable without the iframes
It's Elysian Tracers that suck fucking ass
If c.tracers gets it's iframes removed then I'm still using them bc I love the horizontal mobility, especially on Exos
north oracle
they don't seem it, i honestly like the flight time and vertical more on exos. only reason i'd pick tracers is for iframes
frosty trellis
I mean I like being able to rungod Mecha mayhem
ashen warren
I use the fishron mount
frosty trellis
And the mobility is super nice for Thanatos after his Ms got buffed
I also like tracers for post Bh4 SCal
hollow shell
Alright ill add it to the post
Thank you 👍
frosty trellis
With bobbit and void sash I can reset my flight time easy enough
Mobility is defense
north oracle
fair enough, i don't like hooking much in exos and ue vertical momentum a lot to avoid ares and A&A
ig i just play more in the style of wings on that fight anyway
hollow shell
DPS is also defense because the faster the fight ends then the less time you spend getting attacked
glass arch
the best defense is a good defense
blazing kettle
would a config to alter all spider-like enemies to look less like spiders against the sugg posting rules?
drowsy plank
is there not a mod/texture pack for that already?
blazing kettle
im talking specifically calamities spiders + aereus
drowsy plank
i mean it feels a bit of an outside of cal issue, but i dont think it's a bad idea or disallowed lol
oh true
¯_(ツ)_/¯
blazing kettle
i'll go ahead and give it a shot
kindred skiff
Isn’t Astrum aureus a space crab
blazing kettle
how the hell do i title this
"make a config to change spiders for people with arachnophia "?
blazing kettle
nuclear terror and astrum aereus can be interpreted as spiders
kindred skiff
Besides the draedon lab thing
kindred skiff
nuclear terror and astrum aereus can be interpreted as spiders
Astrum aureus is a crab
swift wharf
make the config remove aureus
blazing kettle
it is a crab but it can be seen as a spider
swift wharf
🙏
kindred skiff
it *is* a crab but it can be seen as a spider
It’s a crab.
swift wharf
crabs are very related to spiders anyways
kindred skiff
I don’t see a spider
swift wharf
tarantulas taste vaguely of crab
drowsy plank
it turns aureus back into astragelddon :)))
ok but aureus is just a robot anyway so like... idk...
swift wharf
aureus is a cockroach
drowsy plank
that's how he feels to fight lmao
the real question is, if aureus is "too spider-like" how do you... make him not spider-like when he is already not a spider
novel belfry
crabs are very related to spiders anyways
I'm pretty sure they're on opposite sides of the arthropod family tree
as in, crabs are mandibulates, and spiders are chelicerates
but they look quite similar regardless
drowsy plank
covergent evolution be like
novel belfry
Wait a second, even SPIDERS are converging on the crab bodyplan?
of course! the crab really is the perfect lifeform!
glass arch
and some crabs look like spiders (dandy longlegs or whatever they're called)
novel belfry
spider crabs
hollow shell
:(
tardy geyser
just dont play calamity
kindred skiff
@burnt bough there is an indicator
She slows down drastically before doing her laser attack
Just get better at being close to her
drowsy plank
pre beams telegraphs like what EoL has prolly couldnt hurt
hollow shell
Pretty sure a clearer telegraph to that attack has been suggested in the past and Fabsol was against it, because he didn't want the telegraph to be too obvious and the attack too easy to avoid, I think?
it was difficult for me to phrase that in a way that didn't sound reductive or mocking
north oracle
fabsol didn't want basically
small timber
I think it dont need to have like obvious telegraph (which can be what was referring), but just like "providence core start glowing"
Since I think it may be confused as something like ares' blender line kind of telegraph
The telegraph is just for "when the attack will start" which is different from "where the attack will land"
small timber
oh right I just noticed: is bot dead?
fervent orbit
lost valley
honestly i just wanna know what mushroom based weapons are
cobalt pewter
ah
reminds me of nature / water / fire weapons buffs before debuff system was reworked
lost valley
i feel like the mushroom weapons are as rare as the hive pack stuff so i compared em to that
cobalt pewter
as for Fungal Symbiote rework in particular
this is my first time seeing it but I hate it already
lost valley
in terms of how much they effect
cobalt pewter
it's just so nothing
sure pre rework was bs but this is basically another fodder acc
small timber
It is an ok preHM accessory that work on crabulon drop and shroomer, thats about it
lost valley
the shroomer
cobalt pewter
yeah so nothing
awesome
small timber
The effect is actually useful but shortlived
cobalt pewter
it's basically just bundles of stat drops
small timber
The mushy effect is not bad
cobalt pewter
at the very least pre rework Fungal Symbiote was rather interesting functionally, even if it's broken as shit
lost valley
yeah that effect is alright honestly
small timber
But I think most of the shrine item rework are supposed to turn them into preHM accessory
lost valley
it's a interesting sidegrade to just using normal healing potions, notably idk how good it is bc idk the duration of the buff
small timber
So that you dont use the same shrine item to postML
cobalt pewter
But I think most of the shrine item rework are supposed to turn them into preHM ...
I should check the rest of them I think
but yeah I just don't like the rework
at all
small timber
Unstable granite core is broken, same for the marble one, trinket of chii is multiplayer
lost valley
i mean the other reworks were fine bc they were reworked from complete garbage
cobalt pewter
as for the mushroom weapon classification, are there even any mushroom themed weapons that aren't obviously shroom?
small timber
No, only shroomer iirc
small timber
Dont work with shroomite stuffs though since it is a bar
lost valley
9 whole weapons
small timber
Marble is broken because they forgot to add cooldown to it
lost valley
i think it's only 8 bc ones a tool
cobalt pewter
I guess since none of the shroomite stuff actually show any mushrooms
just the bar is made out of shroom
small timber
Marble spawn 10 hp healing orb on anything that you kill
Including those small bees that QB summons and metastasis hearts
lost valley
i mean it can only go up from those crappy swords
small timber
I havent try fishron but I imagine it works
Unstable granite core probably can solo BoC and EoW
lost valley
unstable core has always been a PHM killer, shits great
small timber
No it was an entire game killer
As in you can use it postML on slow weapons
lost valley
also i dont know how good the mushy buff is bc idk how long you get the buff
wait is it base damage %?
cobalt pewter
Gladiator's Locket sounds basic but def an improvement over stupid swords, if not broken due to the apparent lack of CD
lost valley
damn
well if the mushy lasts the same as the weapons then it's prob pretty nice
like 6-15 seconds of being more tanky while having worse potions with a faster cooldown
small timber
Oh right gladiator locket also have that hp based effect which I forgot
It works really well with regenator for 10% damage and movement speed while giving healing
Mushy last 60 seconds from the fungal symbiote
small timber
You eat a mushroom at the start of the fight then proceed (mushroom only has 30s healing sickness) then if you havent need healing you eat a mushroom from hotbar again, until you need actual healing then you use quick heal for actual healing potion
lost valley
so that effect is perfectly good, that final effect just feels off
small timber
That is how you use it, it is definitely good preHM
Even the shroom effect is ok because you will notice not much thing give 10% damage in preHM, just it only works on specific weapon
lost valley
ig it's still 10% damage for the crabulon gun
ehh well ig it's all g then
mushroom based weapons just sounds strange
small timber
But yeah tldr
It do have use (especially now with how those shrine item are reworked into preHM accessories)
So I think a more appropriate suggestion will be make the accessory stat (in some way, like press shift for more info) for what weapon does it work on
lost valley
honestly that'd be nice and now that it's easier to find it's nice
well time to just make that suggestion now
versed cape
suggestion: rename tyrant yharims ultisword to democratic president yharims ultisword
small timber
I think for the suggestion you should say if this is something that vanilla piano do
so that it is for consistency rather than adding a new feature
lean prairie
alr lemme correct it then
cobalt pewter
the tragedy line is unnecessary
but otherwise this sounds more like a bug / oversight than something that should be suggested
idk
rotund tree
vanilla pianos be like
quiet kernel
Magical ufo technology ™️
rotund tree
If the calamity pianos were changed to allow placing small things on them, i imagine they would also need to be changed visually as well because otherwise almost anything you put on them would just be floating
Only Statigel, Plague and Acidwood pianos have both a good horizontal surface at the top, and a height that actually lines up with things that you would place on top, but every other calamity pianos are either smaller or have completely different shapes
lean prairie
yeah i noticed many of the pianos just wouldn't look good with the ability to place stuff on top of them
but it should at least be changed for the pianos that'd look fine with it
rotund tree
i agree with that, and of course you wouldn't wanna place things on top of an organ anyway
swift wharf
the calamity piano
half imp
it does make sense that at least the three flat pianos should have stuff be placable
golden tulip
If the calamity pianos were changed to allow placing small things on them, i ima...
god this is conceptually so stupid lmao
plague piano 😭
undone cedar
but it should at least be changed for the pianos that'd look fine with it
Yeah definitely
rotund tree
plague piano 😭
your fingers melt as you'r playing it