suggestions-discussion

[atomic shell]

it used to be even lamer before

[frosty trellis]

Amalgam used to suck
Rn it's actually fucking amazing but yeah it is just another dodge accessory with a weird conditional effect and not unique in any sense

[small timber]

What if we get rid of the damage and dodge from amalgam and rework it into an actual amalgam accessory combining rain effect like amidias pendant, gehenna and rotten brain into the ultimate garbage unique passive damage accessory

Can combine like spore sac and volatile gelatin too

I am sure the idea is perfect

[drowsy plank]

wow i love passive damage accessories! they work so well!

star cloak and it's consequences have been a disaster for terraria modding

it has both on hit and projectile barf from the sky
two of the worst effects in the game babie

[grim tusk]

Wow its like it used to be that

(And it sucked)

[small timber]

But what if you can have the INSANE effect of having a projectile rain down at any position of your screen dealing 400 damage every 9 second

[drowsy plank]

i wish it at least aimed at your cursor or something

[golden sonnet]

Combines all the on hit accessories, but makes them trigger when within 5 blocks of an enemy, encouraging you to get close, but not necessarily get hit

: )

[small timber]

Tbf there is a singular (1) passive damage item that works, in fact a bit too well

Chlorophyte armor (calamity version), so just make everything into a literal free summoner summons

[drowsy plank]

yeah...

[small timber]

All it takes is for it to deal like 1k damage in a massive aoe that heal you for stupid amount like every 5 seconds

(Clear plantera tentacles in 1/2 waves on its own)

[drowsy plank]

only

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren that sounds like a bug/oversight

[hollow ridge]

They doesn't seem intended

Cus why would they say all

If it didn't do all

[ashen warren]

it just says on true melee strikes so maybe they dont affect weapons that do stuff on hit? idk

[drowsy plank]

it's likely just something to do with how weapons are flagged "true melee" by the game or something

because i know it can be janky at times

[ashen warren]

wait nvm it affect brimlance

[drowsy plank]

regardless, this still belongs in #1052323733961977947, not in #suggestions-posting lol

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren this is a bug

[ashen warren]

do i put it in #1052323733961977947 because i dont really know how to do log file stuff

[grim tusk]

Bug reports go in #1052323733961977947

[grim tusk]

Read #1052330262492631071

[ashen warren]

tbh not gonna suggest this since its a minor thicg but they should add hide of deus to rampart of deities

fits

[glass arch]

ah yes just make rampart better

totally necessary

[distant gyro]

creating the ultimate broken accessory

[grim tusk]

Sponge*

[distant gyro]

(reference to fargo soul)

[grim tusk]

Or actually how about adding Ambrosial ampoule back to sponge

[swift wharf]

how about removing ambrosial ampoule

[ashen warren]

how about making the sponge and rampart combine into the zoul (not soul) of eternity

[ashen warren]

nah but like deus is a deity

and the thing drops stars too

its basically gonna be rampart + true melee damage

[swift wharf]

no

[ashen warren]

yes

[glass arch]

rampart Does Not Need more shit

[ashen warren]

the more the merrier

[glass arch]

no

rampart is already stupid

it Does Not Need more shit to make it Even More Stupid™️

[drowsy plank]

isnt hide a variant of rampart anyway

or used to be or something

[distant gyro]

variant of astral bulwark

which is dead

[drowsy plank]

ah

i always end up associating them bc rampart has the star cloak as a component lmao

[glass arch]

oh hell nah evolution was an RIV??

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[glass arch]

wrong channel?

[versed lintel]

oh shit it is

thanks

I swear I clicked #calamity-mod-talk

[obsidian heron]

guh

who ghost pinged me

[versed lintel]

I did because I thought I was in cmt

[half imp]

spore sac is pretty good iirc

(i'm assuming you're not counting summoner armor passives)

[dense ferry]

😭?

[thin hill]

whar

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[crude geode]

it will never happen again

[thin hill]

also yeah we had a meme channel and it went not good

[hollow shell]

@thick sinew Server suggestions should be directed to our Staff Mail rather than the suggestion channel
The suggestion channel pertains to the Calamity Mod itself, not the server

Also it is unbelievably unlikely that we will ever re-add our meme channel

[thick sinew]

Re-add? Uh oh lol

[glass arch]

yeah iirc in the rules it specifically says that it got to be too much to handle

[thick sinew]

You should probs re-name it mod suggestions then ☝️😐

[glass arch]

i mean uh

[hollow shell]

eh, it's not often we get people confusing them

also that'd make the three channels' names quite long

[glass arch]

the content of all the other suggestions would be an indicator that its for the mod and not the server

[crude geode]

[thick sinew]

Oh, so IM just a dumbass, great

[hollow shell]

And we do have this in the pinned Suggestion Don'ts doc

[thick sinew]

A breeding ground for idiocy lol

[hollow shell]

Not even kidding

The reason why it's gone is because Fabsol deleted it in a fit of rage

[thick sinew]

Rip

[hollow shell]

That was like 5 years ago lol

[thick sinew]

Wow

Ohigtgbye

[hollow shell]

aight

[thick sinew]

Back

I've got it

What if only moderators could upload memes

And the memes were REQUIRED to be lore related

[small timber]

why will the moderators set an example to upload memes just to tell people that "no fuck you you cant do the same"

[thin hill]

That does not sound like fun idk

[thick sinew]

That's how it is on terrarias official server

Actually, bow that I think about it

[small timber]

and why should the moderators be bothered to upload memes just for the sake of it?

just like "now I have the obligation to upload shitty memes beside the usual moderating works"

[thick sinew]

The memes are suggested FIRST, then reviewed, before being posted

[errant bobcat]

Too complicated for a meme channel

[small timber]

and yes, regardless this is not the channel for server suggestion stuff, it goes to staff mail

[thick sinew]

To make other people laugh

[small timber]

as mentioned by Rover

[thick sinew]

@hollow shell was just here

[errant bobcat]

Read the pins please

[thick sinew]

I can't read

[errant bobcat]

I know

Still, delete the suggestion

[thick sinew]

Yo @hollow shell, what if only admins or mods could upload memes

[errant bobcat]

Maybe could have a annual meme contest like vanilla server does but I think that’s the farthest they’ll go

[thick sinew]

I was also gonna say, I really want lore related memes, because I find it helpful to learn about lore stuff

[errant bobcat]

Just ask questions in #lore-discussion

Cei does good stuff there

[thick sinew]

Yeah but that's boring lol

[errant bobcat]

Not really

[thick sinew]

Stuff sticks in my head better if it makes me laugh

[errant bobcat]

Me and another guy had a whole convo about physics of black holes in there

[thick sinew]

I have ADHD

[errant bobcat]

Fair enough

Alr I gtg

Seya

[thick sinew]

Byee

[gray nebula]

dreaded official memes channel in the terraria discord

where its mrgametheory posting the least memees ever

[cobalt pewter]

lmao memes

anyways

on-hit effect should scale with damage taken if possible

mf be taking 80% of hp as damage only to get a piss ass 1hp or smth

[crude geode]

mfw spikes = 900 damage bullet hell hit in the eyes of on-hit effects

[drowsy plank]

that would be a cool way to fix them tbh

im just suggesting things i saw in this channel bc while it was originally a joke i unironically thought it was a decent idea

the main issue is you can't even really use these effects casually atm so that's why i made the suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

mhm

[drowsy plank]

if mine fails i think i might suggest something like that instead lol

[small timber]

should there be a pin where "to suggest new things you should give it a week" or something like that?

I assume right after people get on the patch suggestions will pour in

[floral yoke]

I'm going to repost my Astral Ore idea, but before that, there wasn't already some QoL features tied to it that was similar to what I suggested, correct?

[hollow shell]

That's kinda the point of the Don't Ask Stuff To Be Reverted don't

[floral yoke]

Such as the Ore giving an effect before the defeat of Deus?

[hollow shell]

Part of the reason why the Future Content Don't exists is so that you can experience the new content in game before you decide if your suggestion is needed or not

It's possible that the new update solved your issue already

I wouldn't know

[floral yoke]

That's true, maybe I can wait a few days and give it a feel while I'm at it to make sure

[undone cedar]

Lmfao

Funny suggestion

[grim tusk]

[hollow shell]

(ok I'll delete it now, didn't realize that he didn't do it himself)

[cobalt pewter]

seeing this sugg again, I can see how some of these accs can be treated differently

[small timber]

I just realised amalgam had got even shittier

[cobalt pewter]

e.g. Mana Cuffs could get the Rage treatment while Honeycomb and its upgrades could scale its damage to player dmg taken

[small timber]

well just in time for the suggestion I posted I guess

[half sage]

would "make the draedon lab theme not play until turrets have been destroyed" count as asking for something to be reverted cuz iirc in the original mod the theme wouldn't play until you broke the turrets or if you were in a player created lab, hence the calming theme, whereas now the calming theme can be playing while turrets are actively shooting at you

[fossil finch]

Doesn't count

Change was prolly not purposefully removed

[hollow shell]

hm

[fossil finch]

Rather simply unimplemented when it transitioned from unofficial to calamity

[grim tusk]

Maybe but theres the update release period

Wait some days

[half sage]

ok

[crude geode]

What

Most of the time spoilers lines happen lmao

Like ||this||

[distant gyro]

the black mass growing

[grim tusk]

Black Mesa

[grim tusk]

@jagged zealot Sugg is mostly fine but the fish’s functions get you flagged for specific

[jagged zealot]

I didn't think it was that specific?

[hollow shell]

It's pretty tangentially related to the rest of the suggestion

The sugg starts out just asking for astral Quest Fish, which is valid, it does indeed not have any (afaik)
But then you say "Also add a new Flask of Astral Infection potion that is crafted with a new astral fish"

(also you don't need to add spoilers on wiki links for things that aren't even from the new update
If you're just trying to prevent them from embedding, < and > would work just fine
<https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Brimstone_Fish>)

[jagged zealot]

Well, doesn't have to be a new fish, just any astral fish.

I was trying to follow this line:

You should instead ask that an item get added for a specified reason or to solve a certain problem, without going into the exact deals of how you want that item to be executed.

I was just trying to make the fish post stay consistent and have a fished item from astral that is used in the same vein as the brim fish. Was trying to avoid anything super specific

[drowsy plank]

ew

how about we remove the fish from the flask

better idea

astral quest fish would still be nice tho

[hollow shell]

Your sugg directly says "Finally, add a fish"

[jagged zealot]

let me fix that

[hollow shell]

And even if we did re-use an existing fish, that'd make it even more tangentially related to the previous point of the sugg
Cuz then that's just... add a new flask

You should just post it as a separate suggestion

[drowsy plank]

astral does have accessory and weapon fish already tho so it's not like it's absolutely aching for more

[hollow shell]

One for quest fish, one for the flask

[jagged zealot]

Alright, let me edit again.

[hollow shell]

aight

[drowsy plank]

looks fixed to me

[hollow shell]

Yep that's fine

@grim tusk

[jagged zealot]

Still going to add this as a different suggestion

[hollow shell]

Alright cool

Now you need to add a reason why to that suggestion

[jagged zealot]

#suggestions-posting message

? (bottom)

[hollow shell]

Kind of a nothing reason
No reason to not just use Astral weapons, and I'm not sure why that debuff is particularly desirable either

[jagged zealot]

I mean, post Sentinels, I would rather use a certain red blade with the debuff still.

And I do like the debuff aesthetic

[hollow shell]

alright fine I don't wanna be an asshole nor do I wanna backseat too hard
It's fine as is
I don't get it, but, iunno, maybe other people will see merit in it

[hollow shell]

(also I removed your exclam from the quest fish sugg cuz they took the flask bit out
You can re-add it to the now separated sugg if you still feel it problematic)

[jagged zealot]

I mean, I get using astral weapons, but why have a debuff if it can be used for stronger weapons?

what if I want a early pre-hm mode weapon to have it because now I am doing another run where I have to manage a limited amount of flasks?

I would love to have the debuff be able to be used in many tiers of the game instead of just half way through post ml and only early hm.

Also, nothing you said seemed like an asshole?

[small timber]

so the entire basis of the suggestion is just "I want Astral Infection Flask" or I misunderstood?

[hollow shell]

(that PreHM weapon flask thing sounds like the most weirdly specific challenge I've ever heard)

[small timber]

because if that is the case you can just ditch everything else and change your 2nd suggestion to "add astral infection flask" and mention maybe having a fish that serves as its ingredient like brimstone flask
(instead of "add astral flask" which can be anything from astral infection to whatnot)

[hollow shell]

And yeah sorry I just get tired of the constant feedback back-n-forth sometimes

[jagged zealot]

The last suggestion yeah, but in a similar way you get brim flask.

[jagged zealot]

I thought it was clear I was refering to that debuff?

[drowsy plank]

didnt astral flask already get rejected

[crude geode]

Flasks in general got rejected pretty sure

[small timber]

it was more than just astral infection

but yeah with holy flame being the case there is like, a chance

[hollow shell]

Interesting that Flask of Holy Flames didn't become a thing considering the Providence lore item used to give Holy Flames to all of your attacks

Totally coulda
had that still exist in a slightly different form, afterwards

Dunno if that'd be a good idea but, it coulda happened

[crude geode]

Yeah I was gonna say

Still waiting on extended grab range upgrades

[hollow shell]

1.4 did it before we did

[crude geode]

The only good lore item

I’d rather not give up a acc slot for slightly increased grab range

[hollow shell]

m

[crude geode]

(Shows how much I remember how much treasure magnet increase grab range)

(Or lore items)

[hollow shell]

At least it'll be less of a waste once 1.4.4 comes around, and you get all the other Hand Of Creation benefits

[crude geode]

Ye

You could tell me both were placebo and they did nothing and I might honestly believe you

[hollow shell]

nahhh Treasure Magnet is really apparent

Like
really really apparent

[crude geode]

Jesus

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure it's the item with that visual effect where they like
kinda bob and hover in a line on their way towards you, before getting sucked in normally

Yeah

[crude geode]

Damn I am shocked i don’t remember that

[drowsy plank]

still waiting for ceaseless hunger to get reworked into an accessory tho

[distant gyro]

thief's dime upgrade

[drowsy plank]

walls i get, but are you sure every crafted block has a platform too? i mean i wouldnt mind them but i dont think it's a blanket kind of thing. seems like the only reason they dont exist yet either is a lack of a sprite lol

[sleek anvil]

The crafted blocks with a furniture set have platforms, except Ancient

[distant gyro]

the wulfrum set does come with a platform in the preview image but there's somehow no isolated sprite of it

bugging triangle for this

[undone cedar]

triangle..

[lavish condor]

@ebon hemlock You need to format your suggestion a special way for it to go through the bot. Put a line break between the title and the body of the suggestion with shift+enter
Title
Suggestion

Like that

[drowsy plank]

i feel like a bit more detail would be nice too

like said timer should probably reset when hit

[polar bison]

you little weasel you

[half imp]

Rover drive doing that would kinda

make wulfrum drones rclick kinda pointless

the biggest reason it's good at all is recharging the energy shield

[glass arch]

@dire glen no

SIS moment

[swift wharf]

the exo whip has a simple recipe

can we add it to the game

[cobalt pewter]

I won't even

@hollow shell

[glass arch]

jesus christ its 4 pages long

[small timber]

the reason calamity dont have whip yet is because they are balancing the existing (vanilla) one first before adding any new one @dire glen

[dire glen]

ok

[hollow shell]

guh

[small timber]

so yes eventually they will add more whips, just not now

[glass arch]

4 pages of whips and recipes

[swift wharf]

rover you don't understand it uses just kaleidoscope and miracle matter

[glass arch]

thats like SIS^2

[dire glen]

I spend a lot of my free time designing recipes

[swift wharf]

you are a good person

[cobalt pewter]

read pinned (or hell, even the first message in #suggestions-posting ) before sending anything

even if new whips are planned, specific items are a hard no in suggs

[drowsy plank]

<><><><><><><><><><><<>

aren't we killing tag damage anyway

[swift wharf]

it's been a while since I've seen a sis with well designes recipes

[glass arch]

its becoming % based iirc

[swift wharf]

it legit has better recipes than the mod

[drowsy plank]

why does demon lord flamelash inflict fucking daybroken....,,,

[dire glen]

only for a shot while

[drowsy plank]

bro just use a normal fire debuff we have like two dozen

[glass arch]

jesus fuck i thought it was just 4 pages of recipes its also fully balanced

[swift wharf]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[drowsy plank]

why are 4 of them all on the exact same tier...

[dire glen]

three are yellow cause fill around the same point gameplay wise

[drowsy plank]

THIRTY ARMOR PENETRATION

[glass arch]

WHAT THE FUCK

[swift wharf]

🤮🤮🤮🤮

shut up cogni you know nothing

[drowsy plank]

look i appreciate the effort put into this but there are definitely some big balancing issues, barring the fact that this was all pointless anyway

[swift wharf]

😍😍😍😍

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[glass arch]

didnt even put multiple whips in lo

[swift wharf]

GOOD

[dire glen]

you me teh multi hit damage penalty that in the tablle

[drowsy plank]

augh not minion crits

[grim tusk]

Making it multiplicative

Which is way easier said than done

[drowsy plank]

i see

[swift wharf]

i don't understand what that message meant but i 100% agree

[grim tusk]

And if we could finally, finally do it as well as rebalance summoner from the ground up, whips will finally be put into the mod

Heck iirc theres some ideas drafted ages ago as well as more recently for possible ones

[drowsy plank]

best of luck
maybe 1.4.4 will make it easier
i dont actually know what they're doing over there lmao

why does aurora terraria inflict like
7 debuffs

[swift wharf]

exo mix

[dire glen]

cause other wise it wind up being weeker then gteh twopreviuose whips

[swift wharf]

wait isn't there an exo debuff now

[glass arch]

yes

[drowsy plank]

exo mix isnt real, also miracle blight exists, and even before it did they only did like 4 so like

???

exo mix isnt a real debuff it was literally just how the wiki handled the group of like 4 debuffs that cal used to slap on every endgame weapon because the weapon template only allows like 2 or 3

[dire glen]

ok so that info that hasn't mad it to the offical wiki yet when I made this file

[drowsy plank]

yes i realize but it was in changelogs
not that you read the rules either because you wouldn't have made this in the first place if you had xd
most people dont tho so w/e
regardless, calamity whip mod already exists, so you'd prolly have more luck making it yourself, and even then i feel cal whips (which is getting assimilated by catalyst) has cooler ideas anyway lol

[dire glen]

I do try and check the change logs but its hard to keep up with them

[swift wharf]

calamity whips will have big recipes and I'll cry

[undone cedar]

So true

[drowsy plank]

lol

[grim tusk]

Miracle blight

[dire glen]

I'm curiose teh chnaglog dont say what miracle blight will do

[drowsy plank]

boot up tmod and cheat sheet

[small timber]

It does damage

[dire glen]

cheat sheet broke a few of my world so I don't use it any more

[drowsy plank]

somehow i dont feel like it was cheat sheet's fault

[crude geode]

Same

[drowsy plank]

regardless this is why you make a testing world

[bright crag]

(No, killing tag damage would basically kill the primary function of a whip)

[bright crag]

And don't worry, we will add whips eventually

In fact I forwarded an idea for one recently

[dire glen]

I'm moving my response top cogntiveAfflatus to the bug report cause that where it most approriate

[bright crag]

(That was Elemental Mix)

[drowsy plank]

oh thanks lol

[crude geode]

I love how consistent the dev team is

[north oracle]

i'm impressed by the commitment... ngl

[dire glen]

I have other ideas too but not sure if I should share them

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell thoughts?

[north oracle]

if they're related to whips it falls under specific item suggestions anyway which are banned

or subclass fleshing which is also banned

[dire glen]

ok

most just some accesre for yoyos

[north oracle]

specific item suggestions?

[grim tusk]

Subclass fleshing

[north oracle]

that too

this is doubly illegal

[grim tusk]

Most recent sugg im unsure if its SIS or not

[bright crag]

Any type of specific suggestions falls into SIS, which are banned
You can maybe suggest something like "Add an accessory/weapon that has x main purpose"

You can't ask for anything spcific

[dire glen]

understood

[north oracle]

just asking for some postmoonlord passive buffs would make it safer

it's right on the line

[bright crag]

Also, do keep in mind, if you suggest something for a subclass
You'll need to make more/better points than simply making that subclass more feasible or fleshed out
That's not how additions work, though I do think we should give some care to subclasses - specially since doing that improves variety

[dire glen]

so if I just suggest adding in general some more accessories for a type of weapon that be fine?

[north oracle]

there are some quite distinct subclasses with very little relating to them

[north oracle]

and some subclasses that just have different looking sprites

[bright crag]

Well, you can always discuss stuff here before sending

We can tell you if it might break rules

[north oracle]

people that know more about the rules (not really me) can help

[grim tusk]

As long as it doesnt break rules

[fossil finch]

Honestly at this point i think we should open up the disc of what actually increases variety
I say this because while adding things DOES add more options that doesn't necessarily translate to variety
Ej: adding more broadswords
Ofc it's more nuanced because this is about actually adding things that are lacking but i still think that's worth discussing

[small timber]

The main thing I am against the candle suggestion is that the more/stronger candles getting added the more the player is incentivied to just build gigantic arena and farm like 2000 plats just to put candles everywhere

[bright crag]

Yeah, broadswords are super bloated and don't need additions

[grim tusk]

They need reworks

[crude geode]

They need culling

[small timber]

To be honest I think with how there is still like 200 donor items to be added they dont have to add new items for a while

[bright crag]

But I assume most suggestions would target less developed subclasses

[north oracle]

true, post ML has some massive arenas

[bright crag]

They need both

[crude geode]

True

[grim tusk]

Whips, Yoyos, Rocket launchers…

Yea but where more rogue scythes?

[fossil finch]

Rogue scythes aren't even a thing

[grim tusk]

Final dawn

[small timber]

My favourite rogue subclass kunai

[bright crag]

Where more pre-HM javelins

My favorite rogue subclass, kusarigama

[north oracle]

kunais are the best rogue subclass

[fossil finch]

Donor weapons don't count
Final down is literally designed to be quirky as shit

[grim tusk]

Subduction slicer

[fossil finch]

It's a unique weapon not a subclass

[grim tusk]

Grave grimreaver

[small timber]

The moment when shield of the high ruler is just master ninja gear but better for the majority of the game

[north oracle]

aren't scythes also melee weapons?

[crude geode]

No

[drowsy plank]

i wish shield of the high ruler a very die

[crude geode]

And they never will be if we don’t want to repeat history

[north oracle]

or different types of scythes

[crude geode]

Well technically yes

What’s it called is a scythe

Death Sickle

[fossil finch]

Doesn't only grave work slightly similar
Doesn't matter anyway they're just a visual style of weapon it's like saying tomes differ from staffs mechanically

[glass arch]

we dont want another melee/rogue scythe (old nanoblack reaper)

[fossil finch]

Ice Sickle is also a thing

[north oracle]

deaths ascension too or whatever it is

[drowsy plank]

i just realized even if we get an asgard's valor rework to take ankh out of it shield of the high ruler will still exist

[crude geode]

Truly one of the weapons ever

[fossil finch]

Celestus and nanoblack are boomerangs they just look like scythes
Point being rogue scythes isn't a subclass that exists you will not gaslight me into believing it does

[small timber]

Covalt shield + life alloy = ankh shield, it is the new formula dont you know

[drowsy plank]

of course

[north oracle]

boomerangs being a melee subclass

[drowsy plank]

i mean the ankh charm takes basically the same amount of effort as getting 3 life alloy

[crude geode]

That statement hurts my brain so much

[fossil finch]

Wasn't shield supposed to parry like in botw and they just didn't implement that or smt

[drowsy plank]

no idea

[north oracle]

wait that would be awesome

[crude geode]

What shield

[drowsy plank]

shield of the high ruler

[north oracle]

high ruler

[grim tusk]

What

[north oracle]

it would be nice to have more parry effects scattered around

[grim tusk]

What the hell ya smoking, gimme some of that zaza

[fossil finch]

Idk I'm probably just confused
It'd be better than whatever it is rn

[grim tusk]

It’d also be op as shit

[drowsy plank]

i mean it does give 15% DR for facing at a projectile so that's basically a parry

[crude geode]

LMAO

Typical donor item being funny af

[north oracle]

yet another way to get a boost in DR

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ywwGfpkAI&t=76s there is absolutely nothing wrong with parry

[fossil finch]

Clearly i am right and they implemented that because they couldn't code a parry

Clearly

[small timber]

But the 15% dr is also op as shit

[north oracle]

lets go with that neko

[fossil finch]

Parry op mfs when i tell them perfect timing in the heat of battle in terraria is hard to get

Like in botw you get insane assists for parrying and the timing is very strict

[drowsy plank]

i mean xpc got like... 20 parries in a row on duke

so perhaps it is just how terraria implements them

or maybe duke is just a funny boss

[crude geode]

maybe xpc is not your average player

[drowsy plank]

fair

[crude geode]

I would ask for the timing window over everything

Over the results*

[fossil finch]

Doesn't brand not require you to time anything ever

[small timber]

It is pretty easy to parry with brand because the window is stupidly long

[fossil finch]

See I'm still right

[small timber]

I think most people is just facing the wrong way (only work from front) and they thought they mistimed

At least when you dont need to switch weapon, if you are quickswapping it for parry it is pretty hard because of delay

(So imagine if you dont have to because it is on accessory)

[crude geode]

Gotcha

Implement parries on the shield line pls pls pls they totally need it fabsol

[north oracle]

asgards needs something else yeah

[small timber]

Asgard need to have parry, longer dash and also an active stance like elysian aegis to allow for more defensive option, a 2nd stance to allow for sacrificing defense but have lower dash cooldown, a 3rd stance that lower mobility but increase stats and better dash in underwater and also to give you an aggro toggle (massively increase or decrease) because I think hero shield have that so why asgards valor do not when it is the same tier

[north oracle]

also give it the ability to inflict evvery debuff ever because why the hell not

[cobalt pewter]

reading back into this chat

broadswords need to be culled

at first

like give about

60% at least

the rest could then be reworked to be not broadswords, thus eliminating the need to balance melee speed because why the hell do you need melee speed when broadswords no longer exist

[crude geode]

For my death sickle and ice sickle range

[cobalt pewter]

and for rogue subclasses

I feel like there's just not much distinction between them aside from general playstyle and visual

[north oracle]

i need my melee sickles to actually have a subclass

instead of like 4 weapons

[cobalt pewter]

in the end everything rogue is just something you throw

and the equipment barely leave a wiggling room to make subclasses more distinct

there was Scuttler's Jewel but I guess they just don't wanna bother anymore

[north oracle]

yeah, rogue doesn't seem to have clear distinctions

other than consumable and not

[small timber]

I wanted to post the hero shield line suggestion but now with how shield of the high ruler kinda just suddenly exist I dont know how does it fit anymore

inb4 there is "shield bloat" now

[cobalt pewter]

what does the shield do btw

[small timber]

45 max hp 20 defense aggro increase

it is not bad but it is pretty filler (frozen shield is 13 defense no HP, valor is 16 defense 20 max hp)

[dire glen]

if I remember correctly the hero shield just combined the effect of paladin shield and the flesh knuckles

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

and why does the high ruler make it confusing

what does that one do

[small timber]

it is a shield

or rather "another shield"

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[small timber]

with how much here complain about content bloat so yes that is a concern

[distant gyro]

kinda is ""shield bloat""

but a lot of it is vanilla adding as much upgrades as possible for the sake of it

[small timber]

just hope there are no more shield donor item

shirley

[distant gyro]

(there is)

[small timber]

"supreme omega shield of high paladin" recipe: combine 3 paladin's shield 1 armored shell and 33 dark plasma, effect that will allow you to take 75% damage from your allies until you are lower than 50%, allies who you tanked damage for in the recent 5 seconds receive 10% damage boost

sounds like a donor item to me

[glass arch]

@dim flax no

[dim flax]

:(

you have no taste

[glass arch]

not my decision

the devs have said before there isnt gonna be a plague biome

[dim flax]

that stinks

[glass arch]

plus it would be against the suggestion rules

[dim flax]

why add it, include a decent bit of lore and it's own lab, then leave it out to dry?

[blazing kettle]

why would the gungle spread though

[dim flax]

the jungle? no, just the plague through the jungle. doesnt matter though. devs say no

[glass arch]

making a new infection type biome would be a bit much for something that overall has very little in game importance

[dim flax]

then why tie lore, a lab, a boss, and other such stuff to it? seems ludicrous if you ask me

[glass arch]

im not talking about lore significance

[dim flax]

i know, im talking in general

why add so much to what amounts to a second long stepping stone. its quite sad

[glass arch]

either way im pretty sure it goes against the suggestion rules as a large scale content addition/rework

[drowsy plank]

ew biome spread

EW biome spread in jungle

also im p sure the green haze is planned already for jungle in general after the plague shows up

and i think it would go away after PBG was defeated?

but that might've been pre-devcident plans so idk

also like the plague does go somewhere

to PBG

which frankly is more than i can say for the evil biomes in vanilla lmfao

[small timber]

why do we need specifically an upgrade to flurrystorm cannon?

to me it feels and use just like any other gun, the only distinction is that it uses snowball which is not exactly super unique when the weapon itself makes it feels basically like bullet

and no if you make a flurrystorm cannon (upgrades) that fires bullets will only even further make it just a normal gun

@lost obsidian ^

currently there are not exactly a lack of gun at any point, especially later progression like Hardmode (which as it is "upgrade" is implied)

[lost obsidian]

The thing about flurrystorm cannon is that it takes a bit of times before firing and not only shoot the ammo but also chunk of ice with different size, it's clearly not just a gun, compared to the other pre-hardmode gun it's one of the most unique. And why would we need an upgrade ? Because (from what I know) there's no other gun that takes time to be at the max speed to shoot (a bow post-yharon but that's all). Also I think you missed one part of my suggestions (or I wasn't explaining it enough), I was thinking of the bullet changing a bit more what the weapon would fire compared to other weapons to keep it unique, for example the explosive bullet would transform into little rocket and the chance to fire something else would be another type of rocket. Because of that I was thinking it should be put around Moon-Lord since bullet change what it fires, though I don't know how many gun there already are just before/after Moon-Lord. @small timber

[drowsy plank]

butcher is right there

[lost obsidian]

isn't butcher hardmode ?

[small timber]

that rocket thing is oddly specific but I will leave that aside from now

what "type" of projectile the weapon fire do not exactly make the weapon unique, for example dragon's breath and minigun, despite dragon's breath firing special ammo and have bullet it is not really much more creative than minigun which essentially is just an end game minishark

same with flurrystorm cannon, it firing some ice chunk alongside the "normal ammo" is not exactly a unique quality, otherwise I can also suggest to add upgrade to Darkecho Greatbow (which fire a crystal dart), or Hoarfrost Bow firing 2 arrows

[drowsy plank]

yeah and flurry is preHM? and then you have the phatasm line

[small timber]

there are a lot of guns that uses ammo directly depend on the ammo being inserted into it so I will not call it unique property (in fact that kinda is what makes many weapons feel the exact same)

you put luminite bullet into any gun that can use ammo and suddenly all of them have infinite piercing, instead of having piercing be a unique quality making it great against worm etc

[drowsy plank]

also the line about the lack of charge up guns is just wrong lmfao

[lost obsidian]

I was comparing it to other pre-hardmode weapon, of course a pre-hardmode gun can't be as unique and cool looking as something in mid/late hardmode, if you try to put some of the late hardmode gun in pre-hardmode you will have a hard time balancing it

[small timber]

(and yes mentioning specifically only flurry storm cannon do make it sound like you just want another snowball gun instead of what you are trying to get)

[drowsy plank]

no you said there was a lack of weapons like flurrystorm

which is obejctively not true

[lost obsidian]

I wasn't talking about "charging type weapon" in my last comment, if there's other gun like that then I just don't know them and I would appreciate if you give their names

[drowsy plank]

...butcher

ok wait so what do you mean if you're not talking about charging

because that is like the only unique thing about flurrystorm

[lost obsidian]

The rocket thingy was to talk how I was imagining the bullet to change how the weapon fire, so not just put the bullet effect and that's all, but change how the bullet react (and maybe look), so luminite bullet wouldn't just pierce ennemy but do something else

[lost obsidian]

My bad I thought it was another gun

I didn't knew this gun

[drowsy plank]

oh hell no that would be a fuckin nightmare to program

it's fine

[lost obsidian]

Yeah that's what I was afraid of, that's mainly why I just said the chunk would change and not the bullet to maybe have a chance that it could go in the voting channel

[drowsy plank]

no that's still a bad idea

you'd still be asking them to basically double the number of bullets in the game if each had a unique "rocket"

plus that's just vortex beater at that point

[lost obsidian]

I wasn't just thinking of rocket, only for the explosive one

So not just another vortex beater

[drowsy plank]

im saying you cannot ask them to make a unique secondary rocket for every bullet in the game just for this wep

so yes it'd just end up like vortex beater

[lost obsidian]

Except that it's not a rocket for each bullet in my idea, but still like you said it would take too much time to make, I agree on that

[drowsy plank]

regardless flurry just... isnt that unique

you need a better reason

[golden sonnet]

I think suggesting more guns/changing current guns to have unique effects when used with basic musket balls, similar to alluvion line could be a decent change, as it pulls away from the standard of all guns feeling the same. But I don't see a reason to upgrade flurrystrom like the others said.

[drowsy plank]

i mean there are plenty of conversion guns like pearl god and the hydra we just got this update too tho if u look hard enough lol

[golden sonnet]

Pearl god is an override, not on option, but I guess it kinda accomplishes the same thing, just with less choice.

Where with alluvion line you choose to use ammo effects, or the bow effects

[lost obsidian]

Honestly I got this idea because of the bug with it and the wulfrum armor but I don't think it would work as a good reason, still I feel like it's one of the more unique of the pre-hardmode gun

[golden sonnet]

Where with overrides you just choose whatever ammo has most base atk as it gets overridden anyway. (Also pearl god still fires your selected bullets, so not really a great example for conversion weapons)

[grim tusk]

@lost obsidian do not go into specifics

[errant bobcat]

Doesn’t flurrystorm already have spectralstorm anyway?

Wait what why is that not a direct upgrade

Ah wait nevermind I’m dum

[fervent orbit]

spectralstorm is firestorm lmao

[drowsy plank]

i mean it would certainly be an... interesting change to merge those two lmao

[golden sonnet]

All the garbage ammo weapons combined

Flares + snowballs. Make it eventually combine with stakes, candy corn, and explosive jack O lanterns. It just spews random ammo kinda like temporal umbrella.

[robust lava]

Candy Corn Rifle my beloved

[golden sonnet]

Oops, that too

[small timber]

legendary auric blowing dartgun
donor weapon in 2025

[drowsy plank]

im sure something like that exists

well

not auric because for some reason donos are capped at DoG but

u get the idea

they should really change that arbitrary restriction so post-DoG stops getting so fuckin bloated

[swift wharf]

the backlog:

[drowsy plank]

i know all the donos already exist but just the offer to let things go past him would help make it so he stops being like

That

[swift wharf]

just remove the cal weapons

[drowsy plank]

so true

[golden sonnet]

Calamity just becomes the fandom wiki, just a mishmash of fan ideas

[drowsy plank]

dont need to worry about dono bloat if there are no dono weapons

[errant bobcat]

The impractical conglomeration: a ranger weapon that requires a ammo crafted from candy corn, stakes, snowballs, darts, exploding jack o’ lanterns, flares, and nails. Fires one of each ammo type every shot in a extremely wide shotgun spread. Looks like a censored version of all the weapons combined to make it.

[small timber]

everyone wants to be sentinels and post-DoG tier while no one bothers with preHM
(no new ones at least)

[drowsy plank]

hey we got uh

that yoyo

[small timber]

iframeissue™️ yoyo

[drowsy plank]

so true

[swift wharf]

starfury yoyo

[fossil finch]

What calamity needs

Isn't another plague biome

[drowsy plank]

lol flurrystorm upgrade got flagged

[swift wharf]

I wonder why]

[fossil finch]

It does not provide a reason at all

[crude geode]

It does technically but the reasoning sucks

[swift wharf]

and ngl you could make ambrosial ampoule a good item and give it to hero shield later

and then remove ankh shield from asgard valor and make it use just ornate shield and deep diver instead of shield of the ocean

and then for ankh shield

idk i dont really care about it

[crude geode]

Just remove it

[swift wharf]

true

il edit ankh shield out of the game and give a revive to ankh charm

[crude geode]

I love spelunky

[swift wharf]

ankh charm + spelunker amulet accessory when

[drowsy plank]

that sounds really cool

reminds me of when iban came up with a funny spelunky helmet idea when my combined mining accessory sugg passed
too bad it will never exist now

that's okay tho vanilla gave us something at least

still think the arch powder line could use work tho lmao

[swift wharf]

the accessories ever

[drowsy plank]

you gotta time travel back to when dono items still existed and get that item added

[drowsy plank]

i think some wing set bonus should just explode

[crude geode]

Most*

[half imp]

I think that's fair but like

since they're here might as well make it so we have viable alternatives to Drew's/Tracers

[frosty trellis]

Tarragon Wings my beloved

[drowsy plank]

yeah

i dont hate the idea of wings having stats, or having them get bonuses when wearing certain armor, but it should buff the wings, not the armor, otherwise you end up having to design around its use

[half imp]

yeah

I agree

[drowsy plank]

which usually results in mediocre stats, or in the case of silva revive, something that really should just be on the base armor

[cosmic musk]

;)

[half imp]

ooh

[alpine dawn]

I think I made a banger suggestion this time around

:^)

[crude geode]

Add summoner’s association to calamity mod

[alpine dawn]

What's that?

[grim tusk]

A mod that does exactly what you’re asking for

[crude geode]

and more

[fossil finch]

minecart rails are one of the last things to generate in vanilla

i dont think making biome passes after it is a good idea

structur epasses is ok )you could also just prevent rails from spawning there

[swift wharf]

not all structures are generated before rails i think

my onyx laboratory was fine

[cobalt pewter]

Summoner's Association is expanded Summoner stats first and foremost and its additional content are fairly negligible as there are nothing that drop from enemies or anything

just craftables

[fossil finch]

Yeah a bunch of calamity passes are done after it

SS is one of the earliest ones

I just feel there may be a reason for that (?)

[golden sonnet]

Previously it was to avoid overriding the temple, but as of like a year ago that appears to no longer be the case

as now sunken sea eats up temple

[swift wharf]

why not just

make so terra edge becomes a terra blade

what the fuck is this solution

(i don't know if that is possible but what the fuck is this solution

[hushed torrent]

sorry this is my first

i didn't mean just for edge

like the potions that got removed or something could be replaced with its ingredients

idk

[swift wharf]

potion shops

[golden sonnet]

you can just spawn in items with another mod

[hushed torrent]

oh thats true

[glass arch]

if its possible to replace it with a grab bag its possible to replace it with its counterpart

[swift wharf]

also true

yea

[hushed torrent]

eh

i'll probably delete

[swift wharf]

tbf I feel like this could be somewhat solved if tmod warned you before entering a world if something from a mod was removed

[hushed torrent]

probably yeah

[swift wharf]

but it's more of a tmod issue

[hushed torrent]

i just see people go "why did [blank item] get removed :( i have to go find a replacement now"

minor inconvience ig

[small timber]

what was the suggestion? revert terra edge removal?

revert changes suggestion are disallowed anyway so not much point in arguing

[swift wharf]

make so removed items became grab bags of their materials

there's also the issue of having to code a grab bag for evere future removed item

[small timber]

the same will applies for every "reworked" items, like terratomere turning from terrablade no.2 into a completely different function weapon

they cannot just make a config that just say "revert random changes into the game just so people are happy", because it will be impossible

there will be people who like the new changes more and those who hate it, it is just how it is

[swift wharf]

i don't think that's the point of the suggestion

[hushed torrent]

thats... not what im saying

[small timber]

(I mean the suggestion is deleted so I can only guess)

[swift wharf]

it's that so you don't just lose your item

it was about having your shit back

[golden sonnet]

things are in #changelogs multiple months in advance most times

[swift wharf]

like if you had a terra edge, you just wasted your time because it was removed

[golden sonnet]

like, the potion removals have been there since the new year

[swift wharf]

so you'd have to farm it again

not everyone will see those

[small timber]

oh ok that

[swift wharf]

as you can see by "where are yharim stims" every 10 mins

[small timber]

but yeah that will really annoying, but to fix it I imagine is even more annoying

[hushed torrent]

thats true

[glass arch]

to fix it would probably result in even more item bloat than was removed

[small timber]

because they have to somehow turn the itemID and use a specific code for each specific ID to give you the ingredient items (which means code each removed item individually)

[swift wharf]

it is possible to turn tiles into other tiles but idk for items

[small timber]

the easiest solution is to revert to pre-patch version but yeah, I dont think there is good solution for this

[hushed torrent]

ok good to know

[distant gyro]

no good way to refund a calamity item into a vanilla one

[swift wharf]

a warning could work but that's up for tmod devs

[distant gyro]

or crossmodding even

the only item that gets refunded for real is both holy potions funneling into the flask instead of one other potion being removed

RE guns funneling into hydra would be a tier jump in either direction

other potions who knows

and it would be funny if edge refunds into terra lance but that's lol

[hushed torrent]

the original was grab bags of ingredients but i can see why that is theoretically a massive pain to program in

[swift wharf]

IOU an item

[obsidian heron]

solution: any other server

[glass arch]

yez why the fuck did you reply to that

[hollow shell]

@serene tendon

[serene tendon]

oops

wonder how I missed that tbh

[hollow shell]

Also it's debatable that iframes are the most powerful defensive stat "by far"

But yeah it's really weird that that's on a mobility accessory

Comes out of nowhere

[serene tendon]

No matter how much defense or DR you have, you can't tank 8 blender hits. However, the amount of extra I-frames you can get Post-Yharon could change 8 hits to 2. I'm exaggerating of course, but not by much.

[hollow shell]

If your goal is facetanking then I suppose so
but if you're actually trying to dodge then you'll rarely feel the benefits of extra iframes, because your hits will be spaced out

[serene tendon]

Not exactly Post-Yharon, but the fireballs he spews are supposed to make you have to dodge well or get hit multiple times. However, if you tank one hit you can waltz through all the others, at least with a dodge

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the effect is weird

it literally never existed on its materials

and it's rather an antithesis of a speed accessory

why does it need more iframes if it's already helping a lot in mobility

it's probably a relic from times where movement speed didn't work and they had to give tracers something to be on par with drew's flight capabilities

[drowsy plank]

if it at least used like

cross necklace or something that gave you frames id get it

i dont mind differentiating the wingboots a little so they aren't just "this but with bigger numbers" but at least do something reasonable lmao

[glass arch]

@dim flax a) that is against the suggestion rules and b) formatting

and why do we need another fishron like boss

[dim flax]

why did we need old duke? we didn't, but we did nonetheless!

[glass arch]

ok but why does that make it fine to add another

[dim flax]

sometimes what the heart needs is beyond reason, like 4 patties on a burger, or pickles in pizza crust

[crude geode]

you're gonna need to be more logical than that here.

[dim flax]

also, i did not know any of the suggestion rules

[glass arch]

reading helps

[crude geode]

mfw

[dim flax]

i am quite iliterart

[glass arch]

skill issue

[blazing kettle]

calamity fans try to read the rules challenge (impossible)

[glass arch]

@hollow shell sorry to ping but can we get an ❗ on this suggestion

[crude geode]

🗜️ my beloved unofficial ❗

[drowsy plank]

L sugg

[amber lodge]

@dim flax i think that suggestion for ancient dke could be boring

cuz why a third one

[thin hill]

Infant Duke

[quiet kernel]

Calamity 2.3

[frosty trellis]

It's actually inarguable as the more iframes you have, the harder it is to get chain hit and die, which makes it easier to facetank and also strengthens your DR and Defense and ADR even more since you're getting hit less often

[grim tusk]

Young Duke from the Super Funni High Quality Content Mod (aka Piss and Shit mod, no really)

[thin hill]

I remember Young Duke

Wasn't the guy pink or something

[glass arch]

duke fishron ex

[grim tusk]

Yes Pink

It was like the only high effort thing there

I made a few weapons for the mod, few Stormbow clones basically

[small timber]

@kindred skiff specific item suggestion is disallowed, check the pins

[kindred skiff]

Ok

[small timber]

Especially that the suggestion you make is specifically the case mentioned

[kindred skiff]

Someone told me to suggest something I was complaining about

Didn’t realize it wasn’t allowed

[small timber]

(trust me I want a dog viable yoyo) but yeah sadly it is disallowed by rule

[kindred skiff]

Well the grind begins

Thanks

[small timber]

I can only try to convince them to move lacerator to polterghast but thats about it

[blazing kettle]

a CV themed yoyo...

[glass arch]

moving lacerator would probably be the best bet yeah

it would make sense too because theres 3 yoyos directly post providence

[half imp]

yea

[crude geode]

I’d rather just make it so cragmaw mire doesn’t spawn in tier 3 and move the nuclear rod to either of the two other minibosses

Also I’d say this would make the tiers less unique

As every one of them then just has a pretty generic miniboss slapped onto it instead of something unique (such as tier 1 mostly being about mobs, 2 about mobs plus the mire, and 3 mostly about the minibosses)

[atomic shell]

I mean that’s fair

it’s just mauler is cool and this could help distinguish everything

mauler could probably drop nuclear rod and shit too

thematically slapping mauler and nuclear terror together doesn’t make a ton of sense too imo

there could also be more focus on enemies as opposed to minibosses if they make it so acid rain doesn’t just spam minibosses I guess

glares at tier 3 nuclear terrors

[kindred skiff]

I’ve never cared to do acid rains, so idk what happens

[cobalt pewter]

hmm

I still find it kinda weird that only the armor is post polter

everything else bloodstone core themed is all pre provi

[kindred skiff]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Bloodstone is indeed weird

[cobalt pewter]

wait actually post provi

I am dum

I forgot you get bloodstone post provi

but still

it's weird how the armor is separate from the rest of the kit for seemingly no reason

[glass arch]

its because tarragon is an armor set too

[cobalt pewter]

then why not put the bloodstone stuff post polter

[blazing kettle]

its complicated if i had to guess

[glass arch]

if you did that why would you not just make bloodstone start dropping post polter too

[golden tulip]

ancient duke

[versed cape]

elder duke

[bright crag]

Some people already take issue with Old Duke's existence, why add another one

[drowsy plank]

@glass arch i feel like you should mention bloodflare armor being post Polter in this sugg, would strength the argument quite a bit i think

[mental olive]

There are memes about duke / queen be remakes

[small timber]

everyone asked for older duke but never newborn duke pet

[golden sonnet]

Everybody always says old duke this, young duke that, I want midlife crisis duke. Make him relatable.

[thin hill]

midlife crisis duke

suddenly stops in the middle of the fight to contemplate life?

[golden sonnet]

Woke: Pausing during the fight to have an existential breakdown
Broke: Pausing during the fight because you are old and in the sulphur sea

[fossil finch]

ANCIENT DUKE

[undone cedar]

ANCIENT DUKE

goes hard

[fossil finch]

Killing myself rn

[undone cedar]

This is an awesome thumbs up moment

[drowsy plank]

ancient duke drops sdomg

[prime quest]

Are recipes for White and Yellow Seeking Mechanisms mixed up?

[hollow ridge]

Add*

[cobalt pewter]

I think white is ice and yellow is space now

unless you're referring to a different situation

[prime quest]

I mean, it say White needs Cloud Blocks and Yellow Snow Blocks

[atomic shell]

you can’t make a suggestion to add a whole boss

[cobalt pewter]

is it in-game?

I did check in the doc for recipe changes that those 2 weren't included

so it's likely an oversight

probably better off putting it in #1052323733961977947 for immediate attention

[winter anchor]

A refight isn't a boss

[south flint]

if we get another boss suggestion in the next 12 hours everyone in this server receives a free hot dog

[drowsy plank]

fogbound 2

[golden sonnet]

Me onw to do some community service

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell yo can you flag the boss suggestion

👍

[hollow shell]

indeed boss suggestions are not allowed

Also if you think the lore is hinting at a future boss then why do you feel the need to suggest it

[winter anchor]

Because i'm only feeling not sure

[small timber]

it also means that "it is dead here"

[cobalt pewter]

basically it was vored by wof?

[small timber]

the last line can also be interpreted as "yeah you probably should had make sure they are dead"

[hollow shell]

Weirdly worded

Call to action after confirming that it just died

[small timber]

yeah

[hollow shell]

@ cei Work on it

[cobalt pewter]

just replacing "know" with "knew" would probably help

without even changing anything else

maybe

"must've chased" instead of "must chase"

wait hold on my English is corroding

[hollow shell]

just remove that last sentence, iunn even know what it's trying to convey

[eternal escarp]

(i think "them" refers to gods as a whole)
((dont quote me on anything lore though))

[cobalt pewter]

I see what it's trying to convey now, but it's too convoluted

[golden sonnet]

omg, Goozma reconfirmed???

[cobalt pewter]

or just replace the entire last line with "Good job." complete with the funny italics

[gray nebula]

ancient fishron versus slime god EX

[cobalt pewter]

the battle of the millennia

[flat night]

#suggestions-posting message

doesn’t a mod add a stat sheet that tells you

(I forgor name)

[golden sonnet]

Calamity has the stat meter, and if you mean a dynamic indicator just showing how many you have left and not total, then yes there are other mods for it. like most suggestions it would be nice to have, but because only a few get chosen probably won't get many votes.

[hollow shell]

@prime veldt Didn't your timeout just expire?

[prime veldt]

Im sorry

I will stop acting bonkers

[hollow shell]

ok thank you

[flat night]

that was a moment inside the vicinity of time

[prime veldt]

💋

[cobalt pewter]

is high ruler donor

I have a feeling that it is

[atomic shell]

yeah it is

[cobalt pewter]

of fuckin course

nerf the donor then

and maybe bump MNG a bit as well

[broken whale]

how hard would it be to implement support for world generation of worlds bigger than x8400 y2400?

[atomic shell]

difficult probably

[small timber]

oh right I even forgot to mention both shield give you kb immune

[cobalt pewter]

honestly just the cut down cooldown on successful bonk is such a major effect already that the other fluff is not even fuckin needed

delete everything (but kb immune probably)

and keep the cdr on bonk hits

that's already a huge ass fuckin investment over soc

it doesn't need all these fluff

[half imp]

it wouldn't almost ever be worth using then

[small timber]

well only way to know what can be deleted is for a dev to come and say what are required under the donor's request

chances are all of these effects are asked

[half imp]

bc the bonk only has 6 iframes (literally the same dash as SoC) and so can often get you hit even on a successful ram

[small timber]

I imagine it is something along the line of "Shield of Cthulhu upgrade item that give debuff and knockback immune like Asgard's Valor, but also reduce cooldown if you successfully hit an enemy with the dash and reduce damage taken from projectile from the front"

if it is something like this (probably is close) then it means none of these effects can be deleted
best I can see is they nerf the projectile reduction down to like 10% normal damage reduction instead of 15% Retroactive Damage Reduction

[half imp]

the ADR is almost certainly requested

since that's a reference to the actual hylian shield itself

[crude geode]

MNG is so insanely underpowered

Like it has a dodge but there’s 5 other dodges with infinitely better effects than dash that is purely for mobility and climbing gear

[half imp]

yeah

[small timber]

the ironic thing is asgard's valor is probably still better because SoC dash is a bit shit

[half imp]

And now that high ruler has the same length

[small timber]

the bounce back more often screw you over than anything else

[half imp]

there's literally no reason to use mng

unless you need a dodge

[small timber]

MNG loses to Evasion Scarf, it now just outclassed in every single way possible

[half imp]

(even then, get your dodge from brain or something)

Yeah

MNG should have the evasion scarf effect

tbh

[small timber]

and MNG makes you unable to use Abyssal and Eclipse Mirror or Amalgam

nah that will be cracked

[half imp]

well like

[small timber]

on tier not so much and then suddenly scal cant deal damage something something

[half imp]

maybe longer cooldown and stuff but like

same idea as scarf

or really even just having a seperate cooldown from amalgam/eclipse dodges

would be enough to be decent

[drowsy plank]

mng should absolutely have scarf effect i dont even care at this point

shield of the high ruler has cemented that dashes will always be stupid, so the least we can do is make it so both sides of the spectrum are

if that's really a problem then just bump the time up like how normality relocator works

the whole line is gonna end up in the trash at this rate if they aren't given something

before at least it was kinda like "oh well shield are for contact and scarf is for proj" but with mng on a long ass timer and high ruler existing i have no idea why you'd use it over a free 15% ADR

[crude geode]

I love dashes being as required as flight

[hollow shell]

more required than flight in some cases

[half imp]

honestly yeah

dashless cal is harder than flightless cal

tbh

[frosty trellis]

^^^

[hollow shell]

Not having an option to instant gain a burst of speed is brutal for dodging anything

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Especially bosses like Yharon and Polter

[drowsy plank]

reminds me of MrJFL doing no accessories and getting plaguebringer armor just for the dash lmfao

[half imp]

yeah

plaguebringer/crystal assassin/solar carry in no accessories

[crude geode]

When are we getting the dash slot mod

[swift wharf]

already a thing

(probably)

just nerf asgard valor and the funny shield

ez

[glass arch]

just added that

[drowsy plank]

👍

[hollow shell]

@dawn yoke Try not to mention 1.4.4 in your suggestion, Calamity still isn't on it yet

[cobalt heath]

damm rover is fast

admin no slowing them down

[hollow shell]

Is that the Astral Undergrowth that will be released later

[swift wharf]

prob

[grim tusk]

@dawn yoke
1- future content
2- planned

[grim tusk]

Ye

[hollow shell]

aight

[glass arch]

@tame mountain i dont see how the devs would be able to implement this without making the abyss completely re-generate after a certain boss

[hollow shell]

Wait what

I thought the Abyss's biome detection was defined purely by world position and had nothing to do with nearby tiles?

[drowsy plank]

i know how to fix it, it's called go generate a new world lmfao

[crude geode]

so true

[glass arch]

no now it needs specific tiles to be there to count as a certain layer iirc

[drowsy plank]

there's no reason to fix this unless it's happening on a currently generated world

[eternal escarp]

yeah was about to say

[hollow shell]

Okay, makes sense that it would've changed with the new gen

[eternal escarp]

pretty sure thats how it is now

either way

[tame mountain]

yeah, but I have my world with my builds

[glass arch]

i thought it was third layer that had broken though

[drowsy plank]

regardless this seems like a reversion dont or something

ok so build new stuff idk man

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah
This change is only for backwards compatibility ig

[eternal escarp]

option 1 is impossible normally
option 2 is eh i guess

its just easier to make a new world like every other update

[hollow shell]

If it got implemented like right now it could be worth it, but as time goes on it'll only get less and less relevant

Option 1 could be possible, we can provide like, a debug item that lets you regenerate your Abyss

[eternal escarp]

conaidering the amount of gen changes id say its more worth it to just ignore compstibility unless something is inheritely broken
in which case id call this a lesser issue personslly

[eternal escarp]

well yeah i guess

[eternal escarp]

read: just make a new world tbh

[glass arch]

is there anything specific to layer 2 thats required for progression anyways

[eternal escarp]

you can transport builds with cheat sheet if you wish to

or simply build new things

[golden sonnet]

you could also pull some jank and transport the abyss with cheat sheet instead

[eternal escarp]

clueless

[glass arch]

ok theres literally one mob exclusive to layer 2 and it doesnt have any exclusive drops

[golden sonnet]

(Note, copying large amounts of liquids with cheat sheat will crash your game, you will need to drain the abyss to do this)

[half imp]

actually hmm

[glass arch]

doze i think i know what you're thinking

[half imp]

a suggestion to add debug items to regenerate abyss/crags/sunken sea

would be cool

[glass arch]

oh ok it wasnt that

[half imp]

lol

if it was "i could do that myself" i am not about to try to learn worldgen code

[hollow shell]

Nah you'd just have to decompile Calamity and copypaste it all

Or learn reflection and access Calamity's functions for it in your own mod

[swift wharf]

abyss is not needed for progressing yes

literally just make a new world

[crude geode]

I'm pretty sure that's generally been frowned upon over. fixing the issue at hand.

or using bug reports and being patient

[hollow shell]

I mean they added the Sulphur Sea position flip item, didn't they

Oh cool it has a wiki page already, very nice
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Sulphurous_Sea_World_Side_Changer

[swift wharf]

wouldn't swapping it twice fix the problem

(huge stretch)

[hollow shell]

I do not think it does anything regarding generation, only biome detection

If someone's current generation - that is already in the correct orientation - is having a problem
then that item won't help

I am presuming.

[swift wharf]

surely you can turn the abyss off and on and it will fix it

[grim tusk]

@tame mountain this is a bug, heck a known one. Go get the Sulphur sea flipper

[hollow shell]

Are you sure

[swift wharf]

pre update world

[grim tusk]

Why would it not be?
Abyss is determined by an nbt, he getting caverns is the seas being flipped

Otherwise you’d get regular abyss

[glass arch]

its only in the one layer though

[grim tusk]

Well even then if only layer 2 didnt register its still a bug

But a different one

[glass arch]

@oak bison this seems a lot like an SIS

[oak bison]

what does SIS stand for?

[crude geode]

I’m going to stab someone

[hollow shell]

"Specific Item Suggestion", a blanket term for when any suggestion is way too specific and focused more on exact execution rather than the reason why it should be implemented

[oak bison]

i see

any ideas on how to improve it, or should i delete

[hollow shell]

You could keep it around though it would need to be rewritten
You need to add a reason why to your suggestion, explain how this would benefit the mod
And you should cut down on your ideas for what each elemental would do, you can leave a few as examples but mostly you should leave that up to the devs

[crude geode]

You could maybe sugg ice and cosmic elemental be added but earth has been suggested so much it’s on the frequently suggested list

[oak bison]

Ok, i'll try to refine it

[hollow shell]

Yeah adding Earth Elemental to HotE is legitimately one of the most common suggestions we've ever gotten lol

[oak bison]

i was not aware of that lol

Ok i refined it, is it better now?

[distant gyro]

actually

the plan is that the placed drill is placed using Rubblemaker

when the item is accessible

[drowsy plank]

based

[distant gyro]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Rubblemaker for the clueless 1.4.4 players

and log is being written zzzz

[oak bison]

If there's anything else I should tweak with my suggestion, lmk

[crude geode]

@bronze tendon

[hollow shell]

Alright this is better Thank you 👍

[oak bison]

Ok, assuming there are no current issues, ill get back to school work now, ill come back later to see if anything needs changed

[hollow shell]

aighty, good luck with your schoolwork

[oak bison]

[drowsy plank]

i am sorry but i really hope this does not pass

not only are said elementals lame as hell, but i really just want the existing HotE to be reworked to be less awful, and adding them would not help at all

it's just more projectile spam when you already have to deal with 5 that do that

like idk

[oak bison]

I didn't request it to make it stronger, i requested it to make it feel more unique.

[drowsy plank]

bro

[hollow shell]

Well that's the thing, adding even more attackers wouldn't help its uniqueness

[drowsy plank]

HotE is probably already one of the most unique accessories in the game lmfao, and yeah that ^

[oak bison]

and as stated, it could be more valuable this way as a support attack accessory

[drowsy plank]

it wouldnt

how would this actually help it lol

[oak bison]

I believe it would work, considerign the point you obtain it

[hollow shell]

Unless it's a big brain play where you bloat up its attackers-ness so much that the devs feel obligated to make the existing elementals more distinct

[drowsy plank]

lmao

cosmic elemental doesnt even do anything it just flies at you slowly...

[crude geode]

Replace Cosmic Elemental with Cosmic Cone from CalVal

[drowsy plank]

so true

[swift wharf]

cosmic elemental is literally granite elemental 2

[golden sonnet]

at least earth elemental is a miniboss/boss like the rest of the elementals in HotE, I literally forgot cosmic elementals exist

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure there were plans to axe it once they figured out what to do with the sword drops

[swift wharf]

the elementals are eother bosses or minibosses
why would you add an enemy to the item

[drowsy plank]

one of the lamest enemies too

[swift wharf]

TWO of the lamest enemies

[drowsy plank]

Real

[swift wharf]

granite elemental 2 and fucking