suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

gold furniture

[hearty yew]

auric is pretty visually distinct from vanilla gold

it doesn't look like butter

[small timber]

Hopefully auric furnitures will not require godslayer, silva, bloodflare snd tarragon furnitures

[amber lodge]

i could sprite them but i don't even know how xd

[hearty yew]

auric is gonna eventually stop being funny combo armor

[amber lodge]

ye

[hearty yew]

so no, that shit is going

[swift wharf]

hopefully auric will not require -

beat me to it

[amber lodge]

damn

[swift wharf]

auric finally becomes something good

[glass arch]

attaching sprites to it to use would probably be considered as an SIS, so even if you could it would be better to not

[amber lodge]

o

i meant like a suggestion

somewhere in this server

[hollow shell]

(well the thing is the bars and "Calamitous Essence" pre-date SCal herself which is funny)

scal

[hearty yew]

[amber lodge]

i found out that uelibloom brick wall looks good with auric ore when placed together

happy

[glass arch]

1.1.7

• now dropped by supreme calamitas instead of bone lees and necromancers
  what the fuck

[amber lodge]

wait what

WHAT

[hearty yew]

weird ancient calamity shit

i don't know what to tell you

ancient history is weird

[amber lodge]

my brain is melting now

[hollow shell]

Old Calamity was a strange entity

[glass arch]

calamity is a strange entitiy even now

[amber lodge]

yes

[hollow shell]

We still feel the echoes of that time to this day
if you look hard enough you can find some items that have passed by almost completely untouched since their implementation

But fortunately they are a small minority

[amber lodge]

like?

[swift wharf]

are you sire

sure

[hollow shell]

Nothing has their original sprites though

[amber lodge]

sad

[hollow shell]

I'm talkin more about functionality

[amber lodge]

i've seen videos of the old calamity boss sprites

they look funny

[drowsy plank]

dont look up chaos serpent shards worst mistake of my life

[amber lodge]

why

[swift wharf]

i think it's way mroe than a minority

[blazing kettle]

i would love for the history tab in the pages to show old and ancient sprites

[drowsy plank]

yeye ass looking recipe mf

[amber lodge]

what

[amber lodge]

yes

[drowsy plank]

old cal resembles fandom more than it does the modern mod it's hilarious

[hollow shell]

I wonder if we'll add historical sprites to the wiki at some point, to automatically show up in these contexts
Vanilla wiki does that (or rather something like that)

[amber lodge]

they should

:<

[blazing kettle]

it has the old sprite next to the modern sprite

[drowsy plank]

vanilla does do that yeah, and i hope so but i have no idea rn and it might be difficult, maybe after the logs at least

[hollow shell]

Because yeah seeing this ^ is very goofy

[amber lodge]

can't say anything against that

[swift wharf]

like you go to the weapons page and see the same weapons from 3+ years ago

[amber lodge]

they could add a stick and call it "mighty stick of god" and we could be happy

[blazing kettle]

the thing is that terrsria barely has any old sprites from older versions

[amber lodge]

so why changing other sprites

[amber lodge]

good point

[swift wharf]

me when da dev weapons

[blazing kettle]

so the history tab is the best place

maybe a historical version of existing pages?

[hollow shell]

Shoutouts to Gamma Fusillade
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Biofusillade

an item which was added in the FIRST release of Calamity and has never gotten a functional rework, only resprites and stat changes, and that name change

[glass arch]

holy shit

[swift wharf]

meta weapon

[glass arch]

the current best mage weapon for exos has never been reworked and has been here since day 1

[swift wharf]

me when I figure out how to make a mage weapon

[blazing kettle]

traitorous is new though

if one year is old

[amber lodge]

i don't remember any gun name from when i finished calamity as a mage

[glass arch]

i will never forget shpc

[amber lodge]

YES

[glass arch]

that thing carried me through golem my first pt

[amber lodge]

i used it the first time i played calamity

[amber lodge]

nice

i used shpc instead of torchs to see more in caves

i was playing melee so

[frosty trellis]

And became the BEST Mage Weapon when Maddie figured out it could be used with Traitorous and I proceeded to break the entire mod with it :))))

[bright crag]

Not yet
(It definitely needs a rework)

[drowsy plank]

what? yall dont like the overgrown water bolt?

[fervent orbit]

@amber lodge u still havent put the reasoning in ur suggestion lmao

[amber lodge]

OH RIGHT

THANK U

[fervent orbit]

r u editing the message or making a new one

[amber lodge]

both

like not putting the shadowspec thing cuz it was wrong

[blazing kettle]

just

edit the sugg?

[amber lodge]

i still think it lacks of something and will get deleted anyways

at least i tried

[blazing kettle]

like put thst in the suggestion you slready posted?

[amber lodge]

i did

[fervent orbit]

you didnt

[blazing kettle]

you did not

[fervent orbit]

u made a whole new message

[amber lodge]

damn

i'll try again in some weeks i guess

[blazing kettle]

just edit the suggestion

[amber lodge]

oh right

[blazing kettle]

it only has ab explanation mark because theres no explaination

[amber lodge]

still think it's wrong

[frosty trellis]

No it's Blossom Flux but mage silly

[drowsy plank]

fair

[half imp]

theoretically

there is one better

that draedon weapon

[glass arch]

laser machinegun

[half imp]

if you use something else to get to 50% mana

[glass arch]

if laser machineguns shots were considered as different inputs itd be the best but since holding it is counted as one shot iirc it isnt

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I'm not getting an autoclicker to try, thanks :)

[half imp]

lol

[cobalt pewter]

m

I mean I knew it's definitely planned because current auric tesla is garbage :D

but man it'll be a while huh

[amber lodge]

i only like shadowspec for summoner so auric is peak in other classes for me

[undone cedar]

I remember gamma fussilade

[glass arch]

@summer drum they're coming eventually

summoner just needs to be balanced for them

[amber lodge]

summner is strong

it's a nightmare to play it but it's good

[glass arch]

@grim arch no

[grim arch]

yes

[atomic shell]

these are the suggestions of all time

[grim arch]

ofc it was a joke one too

[amber lodge]

i feel weird farming Scal

[drowsy plank]

truly the suggs of all time

[hollow shell]

@noble pilot you're so funny

[noble pilot]

He needs brought back I missed that fight

[hollow shell]

It won't happen

[noble pilot]

Dang

[grave zinc]

@half imp - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Elysian Tracers, Celestial Tracers, and Shield of the Ocean equip sprites]

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@supple hare - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Draedon lab furniture changes]

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@sudden knot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent the Astral Infection from spawning within Unique Biomes]

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[versed lintel]

I have a question about suggesting, can I suggest something that is a reference, but I also have a good reason for it

[golden tulip]

you can send the suggestion here and it can be discussed ig

[versed lintel]

ok

I do need time to think it all up

[drowsy plank]

you should read the rules in the pins, and no, probably not, because you could just make the suggestion without the reference item to fix it lmfao

just going to resubmit this because it was literally right on the edge of passing last time

[eternal escarp]

didnt this sugg already get through once?

[drowsy plank]

it got to voting but it literally missed getting through by a vote or smthn

[eternal escarp]

darn!

[drowsy plank]

i heard discussions of it being considered regardless, but im just being safe lol

worse case, it fails again and i scrap it

[eternal escarp]

well
yeah its something weve already thought of possibly doing

but doesnt hurt i suppose

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

every day fandom wiki becomes more real

[eternal escarp]

if 1 more boss material gets added i will eat a couch

[swift wharf]

you probably could just remove pearl shards

and add demonite bars or shadow scales to the recipes instead

[small timber]

time to rename pearl shard again

[eternal escarp]

most of the pearl shard recipes may just lose the pearl shards
but they would likely remain as they are, thematically

[cobalt pewter]

somehow fandom is realer

[crude geode]

I thought this said conch and I was like that’s shockingly reasonable

[half imp]

i should mod pearl shards to be those

tbh

[bright crag]

Nope

Would make Victide preboss

I think this change would be for the Sunken Sea rework
Since I was suggesting to move Pearl Shards and Victide as a whole to Giant Clam

[hollow shell]

oh that's still happening?

[bright crag]

Was it before...?

If so, it's a mere coincidence
I came up with most of the suggestions for the Sunken Sea rework, and I didn't know much about the previous plans

Unfortunately I can't say my plans are set in stone

[hollow shell]

No I meant the SS rework at all

[small timber]

tbh victide being moved to giant clam is sound and kinda reasonable, but what I am worry about is if victide will just be turnt useless

because you kinda get the "underwater exploration armor" after you beat the "underwater exploration area"

[bright crag]

Oh, of course

The biome is still outdated and in need of rework - having our plans reset didn't change that

[golden tulip]

their plans. they werent yours.

[bright crag]

I didn't even imply that

I just said that the plans were reset

[hollow shell]

deleted messages

[golden tulip]

altering the conversation to seem less stupid

[bright crag]

We'll see... I personally think that's perfectly fine
Also Ocean Crest absolutely needs a nerf, because it's not fine to trivialize underwater exploration like it does

[hollow shell]

Yeah it do

need one.

[small timber]

if you are nerfing ocean crest then gill will have to be gone first

either that or change ocean crest effect completely

[hollow shell]

I tried coding that myself a long time ago, Crest slowing breath drain instead of granting full breathing
But it never got merged, sadge

[bright crag]

[bright crag]

I'm aware of that

[hollow shell]

Gills is at the very least temporary, requires upkeep

[bright crag]

It is pretty OP tho
Might just reduce its duration

Gills is a consequence of vanilla having very little underwater exploration to begin with

[small timber]

nah if it is a change probably make it extend breathing instead of unlimited

nerfing duration is just make it more annoying not make it less powerful

(because amidias selling it doesnt help)

[bright crag]

Bruh

[hollow shell]

NPCs selling potions my beloathed

🗣️ Gardening is annoying and a waste of time because it doesn't involve killing bosses

[bright crag]

No wonder Cal has no exploration, the part that does have it is trivialized

[small timber]

still waiting for the calamity stardew valley update in year 2025

where you get to farm your own crops/plants and fishing ponds to breed fish and cattles

[bright crag]

Anyways, it's another thing we'll have to look into

[drowsy plank]

gills are easy to get regardless of buying, but i agree it'd be better to tweak the power of gills that the duration bc all it does means u need to make more of them. i do think that accessories being weaker than potions makes sense tho bc accessories are free and infinite while potions are short, cosumable, and temporary

[swift wharf]

accessories arent infinite

at least vanilla ones

[crude geode]

So true

[cobalt pewter]

wouldn't it be funny if Gills buff duration only ticks down when underwater and has significantly nerfed duration

[golden sonnet]

I like the potion change, because it gets some people to stop using alchemist npc.

[crude geode]

I dislike it because why tf should we care about if someone uses alch npc

If someone wants to trivialize potions then sure they can go ahead and use alch npc

[small timber]

it make people stop using alch npc by putting an in game alch npc

[crude geode]

Also yes that

[golden tulip]

i think potions are flawed anyway

[swift wharf]

they are yes

[golden tulip]

gardening is boring as fuck and having npcs sell them makes them overpowered

so what do you do

[swift wharf]

the way the game is designed makes them mandatory

[golden tulip]

i guess we have blood orbs

[swift wharf]

it's even enforced by the mod

[crude geode]

Blood orbs is arguably more boring of a solution than selling tbfh

[golden tulip]

you are really just handicapping yourself if you dont use potions

[golden tulip]

yea but at least its not as easy as bulk buying them

[swift wharf]

@ cal devs where is my blood orb powered garden cloche

[crude geode]

Is it.

[golden tulip]

yea

i think the prices of blood orb potions are good

[crude geode]

Start blood moon
Hold left click on enemies while standing on a platform in air
Woah gameplay

[golden tulip]

thats a whole other problem

[swift wharf]

i think the prices of blood orb potions are good

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

[bright crag]

Yeah, Blood Orb recipes exist

[golden tulip]

maybe its just me usually skipping blood moons because they are annoying as fuck

[swift wharf]

me when the average player gets their first blood moon after yharon

[bright crag]

Making potion selling an uneccessary addition which only serves to trivialize potions even further

[crude geode]

Indeed

[swift wharf]

potion shops are the bandaid fix to the bandaid fix that are blood orbs

[golden sonnet]

Alch npc full is an unbalanced mess, while alch npc lite allows you to buy every item in the game. If you don't want to trivialize potions you can just not buy them, but if you want an option to buy them calamity having it super nice as you can avoid unnecessary mods and items you don't want

[cobalt pewter]

oh my zany idea flies by

had a problem with my phone earlier

[crude geode]

Just don’t buy them

[swift wharf]

exactly

it's that easy guys

[crude geode]

Just don’t play calamity

[swift wharf]

me putting two bandaids on my severed leg

(it's that easy)

[golden sonnet]

NPCs will still cuck my housing

[swift wharf]

cal potion shops are inferior to alch npcs anyway

[cobalt pewter]

either remove potions from balancing or make their recipe not a pain in the posterior

[swift wharf]

since it's spreadout through a lot of npcs instead of only one that sells p much all potions

my solution is cap the buff slots to 5

😈

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure testing is done without potions no?

[cobalt pewter]

no it does iirc

[bright crag]

You can disable each individual NPC in AlchemistNPC (both regular and lite) afaik
Considering the buff potions are sold only by the Brewer, you can disable all others

[swift wharf]

or cap just the potions

but still get other buffs

[grim tusk]

Alch npc lite when it has op as fuck potions too

[cobalt pewter]

actually I haven't verified lately

they might've removed potions from balancing but I stopped paying a supreme amount of attention to cal stuff

[grim tusk]

The cap is 22

44 on 1.4.4

[swift wharf]

i know

i am aware of that

ez fix to potion stacking

[small timber]

still waiting for the blood orb inflation so that people must do blood moon fishing to get any reasonable amount of blood orb for potion crafting

at least they have to do something that mildly resembling fishing

(that and make death mode actually increase blood moon enemy stat instead of multiplying their spawn rate which just make farming blood orb even easier as long as you didnt start the world 3 minute ago)

[crude geode]

Mmmm stat bloat

[small timber]

like if a single ironskin potion cause 100 blood orb and blood moon fishing drop 500+

[swift wharf]

event stat bloat ............

[cobalt pewter]

anyways remove potions from balancing (if they are right now) or make their recipe less of a pain

[swift wharf]

or just remove death mode and merge parts of it to revengeance

[cobalt pewter]

imagine using a single shark fin for a single potion

[swift wharf]

EZ

[distant gyro]

real and true

[cobalt pewter]

[distant gyro]

making the herb/fishing pot recipes yield 10x

[swift wharf]

remove all stat potions and just keep the funny ones

[cobalt pewter]

real

[distant gyro]

stink potion meta

[crude geode]

Stink potion best potion

[swift wharf]

increased weakness to sickness

[cobalt pewter]

love potion enjoyer

but fr gender change would be op

[swift wharf]

dog meta ong

or just make like

wrath give 1% damage so it gets cucked by rounding

[crude geode]

Watch balance nerds still complain about it

[distant gyro]

make wrath give -10% damage

[swift wharf]

watch me user has been blocked

[distant gyro]

outright just shits your stats

[swift wharf]

remove alcohols and give potions downsides

😈

[crude geode]

Based

bc I know this is a stepping stone to killing cirrus

[swift wharf]

I WAS THINKING OF THE SAME

maliciously remove cirrus and any related items

[distant gyro]

cirrus is immortal she has plot armor

[cobalt pewter]

and boobs

[drowsy plank]

same thing

[distant gyro]

that is her plot armor

[swift wharf]

we already have a princess and a tavernkeeper................

we don't need another one

I thought that the update was about removing stuff already added by vanilla

[cobalt pewter]

then again Princess was new and no one cares about Tavernkeep

like Tavernkeep doesn't even sell drinks

[distant gyro]

town npcs when

[cobalt pewter]

just ooa garbage

[drowsy plank]

you take a sniper rifle and try to blast cirrus's head off and it just bounces off her chest like a looney tunes character

[distant gyro]

no one cares except for the 3 relevant ones

[crude geode]

Wrong

[distant gyro]

also ale

(singular drink)

[swift wharf]

he does sell ale

[drowsy plank]

tavernkeep is the npc ever

[cobalt pewter]

what the fuck is a tavern with just a sinlge type of drink

[golden sonnet]

and the hot ones

[cobalt pewter]

get outta here

[drowsy plank]

thank u dungeon defenders very cool

[swift wharf]

brother

there is also sake

sold by the travelling merchant

[drowsy plank]

ale 2

[swift wharf]

ale 2 yes

[distant gyro]

we take those out of the equation

[drowsy plank]

now it is longer

[cobalt pewter]

ale 2

[swift wharf]

ale but japanese

:soypoint:

[cobalt pewter]

ale but weeb

[crude geode]

ale but island

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

I love how we made potions 2, they’re even more op now

[swift wharf]

too bad all the good solutions will never happen

[crude geode]

solutions, you mean like chemicals and shit?

[swift wharf]

i will dip your balls in sulphuric acid

[drowsy plank]

potions are like chemistry

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

never gonna get over the fact fandom wiki just straight up has crack on it as an item

[swift wharf]

WHAT

[small timber]

I will be honest if they just make fishing rod progression less dogshit and make herbs grow slightly faster they can just delete every bandaid potion shops and blood orbs and just tell people to actually not be lazy for once

potions are not that hard to craft anyway between things like angler accessory being easier to get, accessing high power bait early (next patch angler quest) and things like space planetoid just give you 200 planter box + herb bag to start your entire herb farm 20 minutes into the game

people just complain about potions alot because it is boring not because it is hard; all of the main thing that make fishing hard in vanilla is largely nullified with a lot of the changes above, people just have to actually work for it instead of complaining as soon as they have to farm for 2 minutes

like just move the supreme tackle box to pre-HM (why is the mod stopping people from fishing efficiently until HM anyway when they already have to grind for the parts), make fishing rod progression smoother in terms of how many rod they give, eg: golden fishing rod considered as top of preHM, but say move Navy Fishing Rod to HM Sunken Sea (if it still exist) with say 2 rods; then some kind of Aquatic Scourge rod that have 3, Perennial 4.... and scale it up constantly so if (you want to) you can easily keep getting better rods;

this is currently the biggest problem because you are stucked with 1 rod all the way to post-Plantera (2) and for it to matter it is post-Golem (3-5 random)

if they want to even further overdo the "make potion easier to craft" they can even make alchemist table like 50-66% to not consume material or make potions crafting yield more than 1 craft

preHM maybe still will be abit "hard" because you lack the mobility to travel quickly but if I remember correctly preHM is not balanced around potion anyway, at least they dont deal enough damage or tanky enough to warrant it, outside of Wall of Flesh I never fealt pressure to get potions in pre-HM (unless I just want to nuke the bosses)

even for HM combination potions are getting removed which was previously the hardest thing to craft anyway so you dont even have to farm a lot of stuffs

and ultimate solution for people who still are not willing to craft them: just install alchemist npc

[crude geode]

3rd paragraph is definitely a large part of it

If cal players don’t have 500 stimulants and effects on screen it bores them

[grim tusk]

If only players didnt want stuff on a silver platter

[strange oracle]

dont forget the literal meth

[grim tusk]

@lyric depot not funny

[atomic shell]

I love suggestion channel

[grim tusk]

And no joke suggs allowed

[frosty trellis]

Literally first point please yes

[blazing kettle]

cal fans try to read the suggestion rules (impossible)

[safe crypt]

Top 10 suggestion of all time

[blazing kettle]

werewuflrum takes the no.2 spot for sugg of all time

[drowsy plank]

could we just make this like... an actual sugg? you could throw my idea of moving scarab rod in there too bc that thing is a fucking anomaly

[grim tusk]

“I call it the Fogbound…”

[drowsy plank]

what about sdomfg or whatever the hell it was

cant forget that

<><><><>

[distant gyro]

number one suggestion is a tough choice

but it's probably Calamity GOD

SDOMG takes a solid second

[blazing kettle]

wait wait calamitygod was a suggestion????

i thought it was a meme that btanched off of THE LORDE

[distant gyro]

the one time where emotes other than suggestion emotes were used

[vagrant spindle]

can we hang this in a museum

[swift wharf]

adir

[fervent orbit]

ok but can we improve the teleportation mechanic of the chaos elemental

[blazing kettle]

what was sdomg

[undone cedar]

Go off…

[small timber]

scarab rod etc you have to suggest yourself since it dont fit the suggestion I am making

[drowsy plank]

just thought moving it could help with that problem because rn it's redudant and useless lmao. also might be worth noting that sunken rod is also just objectively worse than evil metal rods which are preBoss too

[small timber]

the suggestion is focusing on calamity rods (because of the way I write it), it don't have the room to include scarab rod which is vanilla

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[crude geode]

I feel like using the word mandatory is a bit of a stretch tbfh

extremely encouraged? yes.

mandatory? no

[small timber]

I did elaborate it

is it intended? yes because stuffs are balanced with potion
does that mean if you dont have it you cant progress? no

[hollow shell]

This is a Puss In Boots reference I think, right?

[crude geode]

yes.

[hollow shell]

byeah you'd need to talk to @fossil torrent, the donor

[fossil torrent]

:kekwait:

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting

[fossil torrent]

man idk i haven't watched that movie

i think it's fine as is

[hollow shell]

Fair enough
Probably wouldn't change the tooltip to a reference you don't understand, eh?

[fossil torrent]

ya

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren

[frail mantle]

yea

[fervent orbit]

leon in suggestions discussion??? real?

[fossil torrent]

literally 5 years ago but still

[frail mantle]

just because i rarely have anything to say here doesn't mean i rarely actually come here

[fervent orbit]

thats uhm

very op

imagine starting every boss with full adren + rage

[glass arch]

its mainly the adren thing

although both of these you can farm

[fervent orbit]

deerclops in a world arena

[glass arch]

granted the deerclops cheese is a bit funky

but yeah this is kinda just a more easily accessible version of deerclops + darkened heart

[fossil finch]

it could just reset on boss spawn

xd

[glass arch]

adren resetting on boss spawn would be a great fix to deerclops cheese

and this if it were implemented

[golden tulip]

how would that be a great fix

you can still just kill him with the little amount of health he has left

[glass arch]

what

[golden tulip]

how is adrenaline resetting a "great fix" to deerclopse cheese

[glass arch]

so you cant use him to farm adrenaline

or if you can itll be a lot harder

[golden tulip]

is that what you mean with deerclopse cheese

who does that

[glass arch]

idk im not everyone

[fervent orbit]

people who want funni quick kills

[drowsy plank]

i have

a random hunch

that his rev+ AI will probably just remove that

lmao

but yeah, as long as this resets and is disabled during any mildly challenging boss encounter

i think it'd be fine

[half imp]

is he getting rev+?

[drowsy plank]

pretty sure

[half imp]

it'd be awesome for Betsy to get rev+

[drowsy plank]

i mean deerclops is in boss rush

betsy is not

[half imp]

that's an easy fix

(but I get why Betsy isn't)

[drowsy plank]

i do agree it would be nice for her to get something but OOA really do be like

just give her rev+ AI in your sentry mod doze

[half imp]

rev+ could totally just rework ooa

[half imp]

I can barely manage polyphemalus AI

lol

[drowsy plank]

lul that's why the trollgod, but still

i dont think cal is interested in reworking OOA but it could certainly be interesting

[half imp]

ooa could be so much more

some mod somewhere needs to make OOA a subworld event with a fixed arena to make it more interesting tbh

[glass arch]

nah just make the event trigger open DD2

[half imp]

dd1

once you finish that then it opens dd2

just to be thorough

[drowsy plank]

i unironically thing getting a loot bag for opening dd2 and playing a level would probably still be a better implementation than current OOA

[glass arch]

i should get dd2 someday

but that probably means i need a better pc

[half imp]

probably but since it's free wouldn't be hard to check

[glass arch]

no because i have a mac

and dd2 is windows exclusive

[half imp]

oh

L

[graceful cove]

We have Terrablade and Hydrothermic aromor and we want to defeat Astrum Aureus/ The plaguebringer Goliath ( We already did Plantera and Leviathan and Anahit) any tips?

Cause we struggle a little bit

[half imp]

wrong chat

[glass arch]

#help-advice-read-pins

[graceful cove]

Oh yeah sorry

[grim tusk]

Im unsure about latest suggestion but even if it were to SOMEHOW pass it will get denied with vehemence

[swift wharf]

dummy testing 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[grim tusk]

• Summon a Super Dummy
• Get it to fill rage and adrenaline up
• Summon boss
• Use rippers to blow the boss the fuck up

[half imp]

I mean

[fair ledge]

Thinking of making some sort of suggestion about stopping the DoG from flying away for like 15 seconds randomly during phase 1, think it would be worth it?

[half imp]

boss spawn could reset adrage

[grim tusk]

Then you gut Dark Heart

[half imp]

that's just called passive phase

[swift wharf]

it's a feature

[half imp]

oh then just adren

bc rage you can already do with dark heart/statues

[grim tusk]

Then that makes Dark Heart worthless

Wait statues work?

[half imp]

Yes

[grim tusk]

That sounds like a bug

[half imp]

or make it not reset rage only with dark heart on

[grim tusk]

But im unsure

[fair ledge]

Not a great feature, it just slows the fight to a halt. I don't want to be fighting a boss called The Devourer of Gods and have to sit there for 15-20 seconds doing nothing as I wait for the music to start again

[swift wharf]

as it'd be nice to (somewhat) reliably test your Rage and Adrenaline DPS

dummies

[half imp]

so true

[grim tusk]

Dummies will never be reliable for DPS testing

They have 0 defensive stats and a deceptively tiny hitbox

[swift wharf]

just don't get hit by the testing boss

[grim tusk]

Heck Super Dummies having a slightly bigger hitbox than regular ones doesnt help much

[fervent orbit]

karasawa with superball on dummy vs yharon is large

[swift wharf]

dragon pow on dummies

[grim tusk]

Any AoE on dummies

(Remember the True Biome Blade sugg)

[fervent orbit]

no i dont

i have dementia

[glass arch]

the one to buff the biome blade line because of dummy testing?

[grim tusk]

Ye

[grim tusk]

Nerf actually

[half imp]

yeah it was nerf

[glass arch]

bruh 💀

[fervent orbit]

it was need

[half imp]

They said they got 20k damage

with BBB

[glass arch]

oh yeah i remember that

[grim tusk]

And iirc it was the hardest and riskiest one to hit being the astral one

[fervent orbit]

let me guess? desert?

[fair ledge]

Did they by any chance spawn like 20 dummies on one tile

[glass arch]

that was hilarious

[half imp]

a suggestion of all time

[fervent orbit]

(and also requires solid ground)

[grim tusk]

Yea sure it has the potential to blow Moon Lord the fuck up

But like how will you do it

[fervent orbit]

its also got the potential to kill you

[half imp]

it doesn't really have potential to blow up moon lord tbh

even with godmode it wasn't great

Iirc

[glass arch]

it has the potential to squash him flat

[grim tusk]

I remember one of the beta versions, complete comedy

ML core literally 2 shot

[half imp]

bruh

[fervent orbit]

i dont think the astral even works on platforms

[half imp]

it doesn't

[grim tusk]

Yea it needs solid blocks

[half imp]

it's pretty bad

sadly

[fervent orbit]

i dont think anyones gonna make a solid flat ground arena for tbb on ml

[half imp]

then again so are most of the TBB attunements

[fervent orbit]

(let alone use that for galaxia on yharon)

[glass arch]

truly a weapon of all time

[half imp]

the galaxia one is in ways worse bc it doesn't have lingering damage

[grim tusk]

It has very heavy burst

[half imp]

it is one homing projectile for each column

[grim tusk]

Great on a Yharon arena with solid walls

[fervent orbit]

column? it makes columns? i thought it just gives out like

6 sparks

[half imp]

for where each astral column was

there's like 10-12 sparks iirc

[grim tusk]

It used to be far better when Yharon took damage during bullet hells

Since those were free full charge hit

[frosty trellis]

(I mean you can just use fall damage to get your rage up so it's not really super useful anyways)

(Other than keeping it and statue mobs yeah)

[small timber]

There is 0 point in testing specifically adrenaline on super dummy (other than to get funni big numbers which is not testing dps) which I think is the main thing that makes this suggesion invalid

You take your dps number and multiply it with a calculator, thats it, because super dummy have 0 defense and DR

All this suggestion does is just bound to be abused, resetting adrenaline is just a bandaid and even if it reset you can still do things like activate it before you summon the boss (by which you have to get another check to cancel the adrenaline buff)

[fair ledge]

So, think this would be worth fleshing out into a full suggestion?

[glass arch]

no

[fossil finch]

probably not worthy to flesh out because fabsol tm bosschanges tm

this same issue has been fixed like over 5 times now too

its getting kind of silly

[fair ledge]

Ah well, hopefully the issue disappears magically someday

[amber lodge]

@ashen warren bro pls

make that suggestion better so it doesn't get deleted

i really want it in the game so pls

FUCK

sad

sad day now

[bright crag]

Honestly I agree with that penultimate one

Unfortunately, not a valid suggestion

[alpine dawn]

🤷‍♀️

why not have it just

cancel your adrenaline when a boss is summoned

[small timber]

what does "super dummy giving adrenaline" achieve other than big funni numbers?

[alpine dawn]

it doesn't need to be some grand scale change

it's just a simple way to test out rage and adrenaline

[small timber]

because it is not even useful for DPS testing because you can take your DPS number and multiply it on a calculator, chances are it is exactly the amount you get

[alpine dawn]

especially with accessories that give special effects when they proc (very little, but still)

[worldly basalt]

counterpoint: big numbers good

[small timber]

this is exactly what stacking adrenaline and rage does: you take the DPS number you get on a (normal) super dummy and multiply it by 2.8x, chances are it will be very close to what you get by actually having the two buffs

their is nothing else that complicates it because super dummy have 0 defense and DR, and adrenaline/rage is multiplicative

for it to be actually have useful results you will have to use it on bosses, which as the suggestion stated is to be excluded (as in specifically to avoid having to use it on bosses), so it just do nothing basically

[frosty trellis]

Rage can be tested via taking fall damage or Dark Heart
Adren can be tested via summoning Deerclops and not killing him

We don't need more abusable ways to generate adren

[small timber]

also I just realise

is it 100% sure if adrenaline is actually a 2.45x damage boost?

because I just realise it might be a 3.5x which is why it is so busted

[frosty trellis]

2.45x would mean it's a 145%x to your damage

So it's 3.45x

Bc that's how that works lol

200% damage increase is 3x DMG so yeah

[small timber]

ok ya I forgot to add the 1

[frosty trellis]

(But yeah just use Deerclops summoning to test adren if you are starving for that)

[small timber]

ok yeah after retesting it, it 100% is just take your DPS and multiply it by 3.8x

there is no variance, it account for on-hit effect and so on because adrenaline is one of the few thing that just affects everything

[frosty trellis]

God damn

It's 3.8x and not 3.45x

Which is

Wild

[small timber]

rage + adrenaline, forgot to mention (since the suggestion say both)

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Then yeah that makes sense

That adds up perfectly

[small timber]

but yeah which is exactly why I keep mentioning that testing adrenaline and rage on super dummy is completely pointless, if you want actual useful information you have to use it on bosses (which the suggestion don't want to so)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

because on bosses you actually have DR, defense and even piercing/weapon resistance or weapon accuracy/boss movement affecting it, instead of just a multiplier with nothing else

[frosty trellis]

And if shit was tested based off of super dummies then Gsob would need a 3x damage buff

[small timber]

and also mantis claw will be considered one of the best weapon in the game

[cobalt pewter]

if you really wanna test adren and rage, mess with them yourself

don't think cal really needs to facilitate testing tools for public use in the main mod

the foundation of the argument is flawed and it should've been flagged

@alpine dawn

[alpine dawn]

it's not that deep lol\

[bright crag]

I mean, the most reliable way to test ripper DPS on bosses is... fighting a boss

And making Super Dummies charge Adrenaline and Rage would also make them very easy to abuse

[alpine dawn]

k

[grim tusk]

@sweet mural Specific Item Suggestion
(Not allowed)

[blazing kettle]

the cannon and bunny cannon alread exist too

[cobalt pewter]

lo

[ornate kestrel]

I mean, you can just turn on god mode and they'll charge even if you get hit

[austere cargo]

That debuff damage suggestion sounds like how Providence used to have anti-healing stars

which was actually a pretty cool and unique mechanic for the fight even if I constantly got wrecked by them

[fervent orbit]

i love how this is like the

wat 6th time

someone made that comparison

[fossil finch]

this ripper situation would not exist if we removed them truly food for thought

[austere cargo]

why were those removed anyways?

[fervent orbit]

because it wasnt fun

[austere cargo]

I suppose fun is subjective

[fossil finch]

i remember it

r/calamity had spent a week malding about provi

[distant gyro]

so called unfair or something

[austere cargo]

I like bosses having unique challenges that hose some gameplay styles

such as my overreliance on defense and damage reduction

[bright crag]

It was pretty punishing if you weren't good at bhs
Though the gimmick was cool and unique... it will be missed

[austere cargo]

like, I wouldn't want it to show up any more than it did, but having it in just that one place really worked for me

[small timber]

I will be honest the "ignore defense and DR" part is not even a problem

the main problem is it give you no iframe so you can get hit by 3-4 in 1 second

[austere cargo]

was that inherent to the "anti-healing" mechanic?

that under the hood they're just hearts that happen to give negative health, and there's no iframes for hearts

[fossil finch]

yes

[austere cargo]

seems like it could be solved by reducing the density of projectiles or increasing the fraction of green stars

[fervent orbit]

or yknow

not

[austere cargo]

rather than pitching the whole mechanic

[fossil finch]

you could also just artificially give them iframes

xd

eitherway idc about the mechanic

[fervent orbit]

that wouldnt help with negative healing tho

[fossil finch]

it wasnt anything very interesting{

that wasnt really a problem tho

[austere cargo]

It seems I found it more interesting than you did

which is fine

[cobalt pewter]

rage is infinitely cooler than adren

[small timber]

@dawn trellis vulture is a desert enemy

you dont exactly have "lens" as "demon eye lens" doesnt it

or like "soul of fright" as "soul of skeletron prime"

[drowsy plank]

why

[cobalt pewter]

non-problem suggs let's

[drowsy plank]

vulture are from desert
feathers are from vultures
desert feather

[small timber]

desert hint the location you can get it from, feather give you a pretty good hint that it is from a bird

[drowsy plank]

also vulture feathers wouldn't make any sense for most of the recipes they're in

[small timber]

in fact vulture feather is more confusing because you dont know where you can encounter vulture with how messy some of the biomes can be

[drowsy plank]

^

[small timber]

like "skeleton" is an underground normal spawn and "armored bone" etc is dungeon

[sweet mural]

so what kind of suggestions am I allowed to make?

[worldly basalt]

anything that isn't listed in the "Don'ts" i think

here

[glass arch]

anything that isnt on the Donts doc

so no specific item suggestions, no specific boss suggestions, no major overhauls of an entire class etc

[sweet mural]

yeah I mean it seems like most things are just off limits

[fervent orbit]

i mean

no

[sweet mural]

I am going to be honest it would be easier to make a list of what is allowed.

[small timber]

Everything you see in #suggestions-voting right now are suggestions that are allowed to be made

[fervent orbit]

alot is allowed

[sweet mural]

since so much isn't.

[small timber]

Just for some example

[glass arch]

just because a lot is disallowed doesnt mean that theres very little that is allowed

[fervent orbit]

just no overly specific items, no bosses and no major overhauls

[sweet mural]

so the only thing we are allowed to suggest are rebalances. got it.

[glass arch]

no

that is incorrect

[worldly basalt]

a lot isn't allowed, but there's also a lot more possible suggestions than there are banned

[fervent orbit]

no

[worldly basalt]

i'm pretty sure rebalances are in the don'ts lmao

[glass arch]

if the only thing that was allowed is rebalancing then we wouldnt have the dedicated #1042197406776827914 thread

[small timber]

The most major, common thing that people want to suggest but disallowed is "add this specific item with the exact function and idea I think of"

As long as you avoid that a lot actually can be suggested

You are allowed to suggest item as long as you give good reasoning, you just cant be specific to the point where "you must do exactly what I suggest"

[sweet mural]

I mean i see someone asking for a dedicated crafting station that acts like a demon altar. but when I suggested more siege weapons everyone told me it was not allowed.

[glass arch]

yes

[small timber]

You didnt give good reasoning as to why we need siege weapon

[fervent orbit]

you can suggest an item for lets say start a party, but dont make it too apecific

like the way to obtain and cost and go super in detail

its a suggestion, not a creation

[small timber]

Why will we use siege weapon when we can just use anything else, its usage is extremely limited for how much work they need to put into it

Just remember every item added have to be created by someone, code, sprite etc

If the item is just "useful for only very very niche purpose and useless everywhere else" why should they bother

[glass arch]

if i suggest "Add more stationary weapons/traps" it can go through as long as i have good reasoning and most importantly am not specific with the items that i want

[small timber]

The only thing I can think of is to give a "base defense flavour" and that is not a good enough reason

[glass arch]

base defense has been specifically stated to not be coming to terraria iirc

[sweet mural]

i mean my main reason for adding more siege weapons was a an extra source of optional damage and a decoration option. the cannon becomes useless almost immediately so having some upgrades to it would fit nicely with the added difficulty, bosses and armor and even if you don't want that personally they would be nice aesthetic additions as well.

[worldly basalt]

rip otherworld

[fervent orbit]

here let me give you a suggestion

a sentry

[small timber]

^, and the thing about it is also that you can just use any other weapon to accomplish the same

[fervent orbit]

just playing summoner gives you automatic base defense

[small timber]

You dont need optional damage option when you already have likez excessive amount of damage option elsewhere

[worldly basalt]

more sentries and sentry options would be great yea

[fervent orbit]

if only someone cared enough to make them tho

[small timber]

But yeah tldr if you suggest this instead of "siege weapon" at least it will not be instantly disallowed

[glass arch]

the problem with siege weapons is because for the most part they're gonna be used as decoration, so why would you add the attack functionality when very few people actually use it to attack

[sweet mural]

i mean why can you fire the cannons in the base game?

[glass arch]

idk the devs thought it would be cool

thing is this isnt the base game

[small timber]

Vanilla devs and calamity are different

[glass arch]

vanilla can add pretty much whatever they want and cal has the ability to not add similar things

[small timber]

Vanilla can add an armor where "you deal double damage but die instantly from anyhit" and no one can stop them

It is just the power vanilla dev have

[sweet mural]

then i guess adding sentries would be my suggestion, with some heavy sentry and trap options that only target bosses.

[half imp]

why only target bosses

[small timber]

Yeah seems like abit unnecessary

[fervent orbit]

im going to become a terraria dev so i can become someone more powerful than fab when it comes to calamity mod

[small timber]

Does summoner targeting works on sentry? Right click or whip

[sweet mural]

for the heavy ones specifically, mainly because shooting a trebuchet at a single zombie seems a bit excessive. and I assume they might need reloading after a bit.

[glass arch]

only targeting bosses is unnecessary
if it dealt extra damage to bosses however

[fervent orbit]

ballista:

[glass arch]

and NO i do not recommend trying to get more weapons like coldheart/RE guns

[fervent orbit]

instant denial

[sweet mural]

yeah i was thinking ballista, catapult and trebuchet as mid tier options going up, but maybe bigger tech guns and turrets by the time you get to moonlord and beyond.

[fervent orbit]

no im saying

a ballista alr exists

[sweet mural]

where? i was looking through the optins and I don't see one.

[glass arch]

OOA

ballista staff, cane, and rod

[fervent orbit]

ballista rod/staf/cane i think

[glass arch]

not necessarily in that order

[half imp]

rod/cane/staff is the tier order

[sweet mural]

are those permanent?

[fervent orbit]

doze would know the order

[glass arch]

they're sentries

[fervent orbit]

theyre 10 minutes in 1.4.4

(which is next update)

[small timber]

tldr this is allowed:

"Add more sentries to pre-Hardmode"
Reason: little options available, only limited to OOA... or whatever

People will argue against it but at least it is allowed if your reasoning is sound

this is disallowed:

"Add new sentries that are like siege weapon, such as catapult, ballista..."
Reason: there are no "heavy" sentry or siege weapons

your reasoning should be based on what is lacking and need improvement not what you want just because you want it

[sweet mural]

because I want to place these things down to keep my NPC's safe as well as to look cool on top of my builds.

[glass arch]

ive heard next update is gonna be on 1.4.3 still because of 1.4.4 taking longer than expected

[small timber]

if you want to be specific you have to have a good reason as to why it should be the case

[fervent orbit]

rlly?

when was this (i dont go on spoiler talk btw)

[glass arch]

i dont remember but like 3 different people confirmed it in cst

[fervent orbit]

huh

i should go in there more often

[small timber]

in what situation do you need to keep your NPC safe when you can even build a flying castle? or the fact that enemy NPC just dont spawn if you escape your castle (and fighting in the confined space of your buildings are clunky anyway); and they probably dont do much against enemies that can move through wall anyway

and look cool is not a reasoning, too much random stuff can use that exact reasoning

[fervent orbit]

but keeping track with 3 channels is alr hard i dont want a 4th

[sweet mural]

i get that. i am not saying it has to just be for these reasons. i would flesh it out more in discussion to make it fit but I wanted to suggest it to get a discussion on how to make them fit so everyone can be happy with a cool new defence option and a nice new decorative piece in one. just kind of disheartening that instead of talking about it people just flag it and say it isn't allowed or doesn't belong outright, but now I hear it could work if i tweak the suggestion a bit. this is the kind of discussion that would have been nice when i posted it instead of what I got.

adding more sentry option due to a lack of sentry option in the early game, adding extra base defence options, and as a bonus extra decorative options. is that a good enough reason to make the suggestion?

[small timber]

I think "base defense" option can be a bit lacking because of how it currently works

but you can probably post it and let the mods see if it is good enough

just remember to avoid directly quoting "they should add exactly siege weapon like ballista/catapult" in the title and instead suggest it as some example of how they can do the suggestion

[sweet mural]

i mean is it possible to make them stay in one spot permanently?

[fervent orbit]

you can just ask for sentry length to be long enough to just not need to replace em often

[small timber]

proper siege weapon yes, sentry no; but yeah it is hard to suggest siege weapon because of how "base defense" work

enemy dont spawn in your home because of "town" mechanic, only critters spawn

[glass arch]

not without making them placeables, but if they are placeables then it is possible

[small timber]

the only time enemies spawn is during an event (including blood moon/solar eclipse etc) but those events have wall piercing enemy anyway so you cant exactly defend them with siege weapons

[fervent orbit]

blood/festive moons and solar eclipase in question:

oh u apr said it

[small timber]

and the best base defense is literally just teleport elsewhere because it completely stop enemies from spawning at your home

[fervent orbit]

fuck im so slow on mobile

also umm base defense? more like a lava moat

also i dont see why u need any other traps other than the lihzahrd ones

iirc theyre the strongest traps

[small timber]

I think if you want to move back to siege weapon you can use reasons like:
"siege weapons are an underutilized concept that can use more work";
"to (partially) overcome stat bloat from higher difficulty by adding optional but viable damage option without breaking progression or balance (master mode balance I know)" because currently you either get demolished by events or you demolish them with no second thought, no strategy involved
then finally you put "decorative options" there

does this mean if you use these exact reasoning the siege weapon suggestion will automatically get accepted? no, moderators will still see if it is acceptable

but I just think some of these are stronger reasoning (and you definitely can still improve a lot on these)

but yeah the main problem with siege weapon as a suggestion is just in terraria "base defense" dont exist, you can cheese 90% of enemy by building a single block in front of your door in a shoebox house, and only wall piercing enemy are a threat; thus even if you cant kill them quickly enough most enemy also can never touch you

[sweet mural]

this is very helpful thank you.

[drowsy plank]

why not just

ask for placable draedon turrets

weren't those already planned to be a thing at some point anyway like

boom there u go

[sweet mural]

that's not a bad idea I am just hoping for more variety. I will be fine with that but I am hoping for more options like catapults and ballista, maybe some big laser cannons and so on. im not thinking like tons of new things but maybe like 10 new sentry like objects that you place instead of summon so they don't despawn. you can have them defending yoru base so you don't have to fight off things if you want to build your castle on the ground. saying that you have to build your castle in the sky to keep your NPC's safe just limits your options. Personally I would like to be able to build a city on ground and take on the extra challenge but having some options to help you overcome that with dedication and hard work would be ideal. and having the option to have an extra source of damage against the stronger bosses is another great option. not that these would be free. you have to pu tin the work, put in the resources. mostly it's to fill out a part of the game that isn't expanded on with sentry options, adds a bit of base defence options and extra help during a boss fight if you choose to set them up, and has the added bonus of being aesthetic and cool.

[drowsy plank]

i aint reading all that

happy for u tho
or sorry that happened

fr just

make ur own mod dude

[glass arch]

yeah with this scale it would probably be easier to just make it yourself

[drowsy plank]

like my sugg is within scope bc im 75% sure they've talked about adding player placed draedon sentries before but this just isn't going to happen dude. go learn C# and make it urself if u want it so badly. the cal team has more important things to tackle

[sweet mural]

unfortunately I lack the skills to do it myself or I would. I can do the art, animation, even work out balance and integration, But I lack coding skills. I have a degree in game design and can do everything except replicate code and even that gives me a migraine.

[drowsy plank]

better get some advil and go open stackoverflow then

[sweet mural]

I hope that request I just made is acceptable.

[worldly basalt]

like the forest and desert etc solutions added in 1.4.4

[half imp]

yeah

sulphur solution would be great

[worldly basalt]

brimstone and sunken sea would probably also be included

[half imp]

eh

i don't see those working as well

would'nt be bad but sulphur is the one i'd want 100%

[grave zinc]

@sudden knot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent the Astral Infection from spawning within Unique Biomes]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@supple hare - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Draedon lab furniture changes]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@half imp - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Elysian Tracers, Celestial Tracers, and Shield of the Ocean equip sprites]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

sigh

@versed lintel no sis

[versed lintel]

Alr

[small timber]

you do not really upgrade ammos every single tier, things like polterghast do not have ammo upgrade for example

same with accessory, and you upgraded at DoG tier

[versed lintel]

Yeah, I thought it would make sense because Yharon is a big boss

[small timber]

currently the DOG bullets/arrows are plentiful and powerful enough

yharon dont exactly also upgrade your entire arsenal of accessory despite it being a "big boss" doesnt it

[versed lintel]

I guess so..

[small timber]

nor do providence in that sense, in post-ML the only big upgrade is DoG

and also god slayer slug already basically have some of the best property possible for a bullet in the game, it is definitely not "weak"
infinite piercing and basically double your damage

[versed lintel]

Ok thank you for giving feedback

[small timber]

(and yes the suggestion is very specific, as in the reasoning given)

[versed lintel]

Yeah

I should have made it more clear that it was my rough idea of what it should do because I just tend to think of all of it at

[small timber]

"auric ammo" is not even really a out of the way idea, just yeah you put it too much specificity into the suggestion

(and it kinda is completely unnecessary because vanquisher arrow and god slayer slug is already way too strong, let alone having to balance every ranger weapon after a new ammo is added)

and yes ammo can make or break a weapon instantly, for example alluvion with luminite arrow is scal and exo viable just because the ammo is so good when paired with the weapon

[versed lintel]

I didn't even think about having to rebalance weapons

That's why I'm not a game dev I guess

[small timber]

probably should have considered it yeah, considering if it gets "+30 more damage from slug" it is more than double damage

[versed lintel]

No I mean 30 damage so it's just a bit stronger than the slug

So a jump from 28 to 30

[small timber]

ok that is a lot more reasonable, but yeah, overall the suggestion is way too specific

[versed lintel]

Thanks

[versed cape]

@versed lintel I disagree with auric bullets being based on piercing

[versed lintel]

Ok

[versed cape]

its helpful for neither exos nor scal

[versed lintel]

Ok, isn't there still gonna be more content past them two? And you're still gonna fight non bosses

Also we've already discussed it's not a good suggestion

[versed cape]

1. in like 5 years
2. not really

its not a good suggestion solely because of SIS

[versed lintel]

Sis?

[versed cape]

id actually like that bullet a lot

[versed lintel]

What is SIS

[small timber]

and yes the reasoning based on "piercing" will be lacking because god slayer slug does exactly that already, pretty well too

[versed lintel]

Ahh

The suggestion was mostly based on ricocheting to another enemy, but yeah I did make it too specific

I simplified the suggestion quite a lot

[small timber]

now it is lacking reasoning as to why it should exist

like I said, god slayer slug currently do the job for the bosses you will encounter (especially exo mechs) very well

we currently dont need an ammo upgrade just for the sake of having an upgrade

[swift wharf]

it's still a sis

and has no reasoning

other than "It'd be cool"

can we stop getting mid suggestions

[versed lintel]

Ok damn, you didn't have to insult my idea like that 🤣

[versed cape]

I tried to do terrences suggestion but better

[versed lintel]

Hey thanks, I appreciate it

[celest tundra]

👍

[fossil finch]

we should add 22 hornet bullet

[drowsy plank]

recreate the devcident

[pulsar marlin]

[half imp]

yay

[south flint]

those already exist! check the real and legitimate wiki

[drowsy plank]

[rotund tree]

Meanwhile the config that already disables the shadow potion visuals

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

im just dumb then

[drowsy plank]

lul

[ashen warren]

lemme check

yep

im just stupid

imma go cry myself to sleep

[drowsy plank]

now we aren't just getting suggs for things that already passed like the health bars, we be getting suggs for things already in the game

[drowsy plank]

...you gonna delete the sugg?

[ashen warren]

i should prolly do that

[drowsy plank]

yeh

[ashen warren]

done

[drowsy plank]

👌

[ashen warren]

sorry about that

[drowsy plank]

it's fine lmao

at least you actually listened to feedback and removed it instead of just disappearing like most people do

[ashen warren]

k thanks, ill check before suggestion posting again

[grim tusk]

@sweet mural “it would be very cool” is not valid reasoning

And there has to be more reasoning as to why it would be practical

Cuz rn all I see is:
Very minor nitpick
It would be cool
Devs could add (specific stuff)

[hollow shell]

s'not that bad but could be better, yes

[small timber]

doesnt sulphurous sea have a check for world position too? so it will do nothing other than decorative purpose

or to turn your ocean side into a 2nd sulphurous sea for some reason

[grim tusk]

It checks abyss’s position, which save corruption can mess with its nbt and flip side

[drowsy plank]

once 1.4.4 rolls around at least you'll have the precedent that every other biome has a solution now

but rn it's kinda baseless

[half imp]

Where is the jungle solution

hmm

I need to spread mud

[small timber]

where is the dirt to mud solution
or the dirt to sand solution

so that I can turn my forest into desert easily

[glass arch]

something something 1.4.4

[half imp]

dirt to sand exists

in 1.4.4

but not to mud

as well as to snow exists

[glass arch]

iirc luiafk has a dirt to mud solution

[half imp]

white, yellow, and brown solutions (terraria devs knew what they were doing)

[drowsy plank]

just craft all the dirt into mud manually at water

[worldly basalt]

super quick an easy, all you have to do is mine a giant chunk, craft the mud, then manually place it all back exactly how it was before!

[half imp]

oh thanks

[drowsy plank]

👍

[worldly basalt]

i dont usually find how it swings a problem since the homing on the scythes is so strong

[errant bobcat]

Yes when I used it my first playthru against skeletron it shredded him, and I just had to get within about 20 blocks for them to home

[swift wharf]

When the weapon requires skill to use

[small timber]

when the weapon is powerful but is balanced around a clunky turnaround limit, but people just want both power and control

[hollow shell]

^ I was about to say the same thing

[small timber]

if they want to make bladecrest oathsword free to aim they need to lower the damage of the weapon by like 25% minimum, because that weapon is currently largely balanced around the fact that it can be clunky to use (it is very very good despite that)

[worldly basalt]

clunky? i found it convenient

i didn't even have to use the mouse at all since it basically aimed itself

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

It's like

Slightly annoying on prefs mainly

But other than that it's a bit broken

It's cracked as all fuck on hive mind

[swift wharf]

yeah let's turn it into a boring sword

[cobalt pewter]

I'm still preaching towards a massive broadsword exodus

spare some and make them based

[errant bobcat]

It did like 1/20 of skeletron health with one swing if all of them hit, yea it doesn’t need this it’s balanced around that and kinda more fun to use like this

[cobalt pewter]

completely banish the basic broadsword usestyle so that melee speed will no longer be a problem

[errant bobcat]

Yea too many swords just feel so generic

There’s like 30 “sword that shoots strait flying projectile”

[cobalt pewter]

they can clearly make goodtm swords with ark and bb lines

[errant bobcat]

Yea

Those are cool, if high skill floor

Honestly, I have a skill issue, but I would still prefer it if all the weapons were harder to use but had more fun and/or better payoff

[small timber]

but what if we can have mutated enchanted sword no.1984

that will truly help melee class to stand out

[errant bobcat]

Oh but this time it is a slightly different color

Totally different

I’m still kinda sad they removed bloody edge and terra edge, they would have been cool to see as 1.4.4 revamps

[cobalt pewter]

hell even something as simple as giving the melee weapons an attack combo would make them stand out better

they won't completely have new effects each but they at least swing differently and all

[errant bobcat]

Just make them swing differently instead of standard broadsword swing every time

[swift wharf]

guys why can't my sword get legendary

[floral yoke]

Just posted a suggestion on Astral Ore, ultimately don't mind if they take the specific suggestions, but it'd be nice to see something to tie in with the new Ore looks

[worldly basalt]

there's a status message for it i think

[north oracle]

the status message only displays after the boss is dead tho, and there's nothing ingame to suggest you can't mine it before killing him

[crude geode]

Except for like. the fact you can’t mine it????

(Why is this that difficult, it happens multiple other times both in calamity AND vanilla)

[floral yoke]

Yeah this is for before it

[worldly basalt]

hellstone:
charred ore:
lihzahrd brick:

[floral yoke]

I mean people just assume you need a better pickaxe then

[worldly basalt]

figuring out that deus exists isnt particularly difficult

[glass arch]

in vanilla its not necessarily a boss locked ore its a pickaxe power locked ore

[floral yoke]

That is really the only reason I suggested it for Astral Ore specifically

Though I think there are more now that I remember it

[half imp]

yeah there should be an indication imo

that it's boss locked

[floral yoke]

Like Charred ore

[glass arch]

theres not any specifically boss locked ores other than astral

[north oracle]

it's the only ore you can't mine when you have enough pickaxe power

[half imp]

maybe a forcefield effect when tried to mined or something

[swift wharf]

make so being near it gives you astral schizophrenia that shows illusions of astrum deus

[small timber]

isnt astral ore one of the thing that have visual rework next patch?

or I misremembered

[crude geode]

Charred ore is only pickaxe power

[floral yoke]

Yeah, and I jumped on the opportunity for them to add onto it

[swift wharf]

future suggestion question mark

[floral yoke]

Ah, got changed, I forgot about that

[golden sonnet]

I just don't see how you could state it can't be mined in a non intrusive way. For most vanilla stuff you find out after you have access to it, there is not vanilla indication that the temple is unlocked by plantera, you find it out by killing plantera. There is no indication the moon lord is summoned by killing the cultist, you find out by doing it. etc.

[hollow shell]

"With the upcoming"- ⚠️

[swift wharf]

future suggestion period

[floral yoke]

I suppose that's true, but you do have the key for the temple door

[small timber]

I think ideal is make astral ore mineable at aureus instead of deus and find some way to lock the crafts behind deus (with few exception left to be post-aureus)

but yeah there is really not much way to make it super intuitive with how it currently is

[crude geode]

The better idea is to rework the whole damn ore

Because it’s kinda generic and cringe

(Remind anyone of perennial)

[grim tusk]

Future content suggestion @floral yoke

[floral yoke]

Oh

[grim tusk]

Wait until the update and you may repost it

[floral yoke]

Fair enough

[half imp]

just remove the part about the future update

tbh

then it would be fine for now

[north oracle]

leave it to devs to decide on future implementation

[floral yoke]

Well the problem is that it is getting redesigned so

[north oracle]

have the suggestion as something for them to think aboutt in the redesign

just don't say that's part of the suggestion

[floral yoke]

Might be safer to just wait til the next update

[north oracle]

true

[floral yoke]

Technically it is in the rules against posting about content being worked on, just that I mis-interpreted it

Oh, and the idea was directly adding onto qualities of the redesign so again, best to suggest an add-on after the redesign becomes real

[swift wharf]

Not Viable

[drowsy plank]

lol lmao

[hollow shell]

HEH

It's even a yoyo suggestion

[grim tusk]

@unique marten read the pinned document (oh Rover and I were going at the same time lol)

[hollow shell]

Literally the example case

[cobalt pewter]

it starts with L

[swift wharf]

Suggestion Dos

[cobalt pewter]

or T?

[hollow shell]

from the Suggestion Don'ts doc

[unique marten]

whoops

forgot about that part lol

my bad 😊

[hollow shell]

👍

[golden tulip]

i dont remember why but apparently this is my note for rover

[ripe owl]

Based

[bright crag]

Oh, hi Rover ^-^
Congratulations on admin

[hollow ridge]

Prolly needs more explanation

Also read the message at the top of that channel

[hollow shell]

I love accessories that just translate over the effects of their constituents without any change beyond stats

[small timber]

the amalgam suggestion no.N where I am trying to get the potion duration effect earlier into the game but failed everytime (though this time I am suggesting a different thing)

but yeah fire/elemental gauntlet, elemental quiver (even worse because it even loss the arrow damage), a lot are like that

especially after they simplified endgame accessories recipe which make them lose even more effect

[swift wharf]

It's funnier because amalgamated brain has 5 effects

[hollow shell]

Ozz and I had a very extensive and unique Amalgam rework idea but of course it just sat in a Trello and never went anywhere for like two years
Just like my Absorber/Ampoule/Sponge rework ideas
Just like, most things I proposed back then

[small timber]

all the soon™️ accessories rework ideas

[drowsy plank]

god

but yeah amalgam sure is one of the items of all time

a cool idea for amalgam would be to make the shade rain effect actually do something

[atomic shell]

at least amalgam has a dodge now