nice
#suggestions-discussion
worldly basalt
serene tendon
Coming Soon TM
fossil finch
what if we did not do events
itd be awesome
again distortion will take at least the seasonal energies
i do not have the slightest clue as to where darksun is going though
half imp
as a low% player I don't like making sentinels drop them
serene tendon
what if we did not do events
Calamity fans trying to make the game into a boss rush for 30 minutes straight
blazing kettle
i-zor....
fossil finch
as a low% player I don't like making sentinels drop them
as a normal person i suddenly agree with the suggestion just to fuck with you
fervent orbit
as a low% player I don't like making sentinels drop them
dw its only 1 extra boss (no single digit tho)
fossil finch
nah jk i dislike the concept too much (still hate low
surreal drum
You have a good point, all post-Polter progression feels like a boss rush, where you have nothing else to do
fossil finch
Calamity fans trying to make the game into a boss rush for 30 minutes straight
you say this as if an stat bloated reused event does anything to solve this issue at all
worldly basalt
and tons of people have suggestions about making between boss stuff earlier faster too lol
half imp
I think the issue there is the events themselves being just wave 15 high spawn rate stat bloated
worldly basalt
you say this as if an stat bloated reused event does anything to solve this issu...
well yea thats why the event should be remixed
serene tendon
you say this as if an stat bloated reused event does anything to solve this issu...
It's not much, but it's better than nothing
fossil finch
i know distortion isnt coming for a while but like
Distortion IS taking the seasonal energies at least
i dont like doing "temporal" changes because theyre lame
just do the Actual Thing or wait until The Actual Thing can be done honestly
serene tendon
as a low% player I don't like making sentinels drop them
Ok that's it, the idea must pass NOW
lol
surreal drum
I like that you can choose who to fight first: Exo Mechs of SCal
The variety is what matters
blazing kettle
this also doesbt really solve the problem
drowsy plank
yeah DoG bloat we all know about it
half imp
low% is already gonna be torment
worldly basalt
#tormentlow%playersandspeedrunners
make all bosses mandatory or scal just straight up doesnt spawn 😊
fossil finch
i think low players have no rights like nohitters in general
serene tendon
make all bosses mandatory or scal just straight up doesnt spawn 😊
Yes please
fossil finch
i know theyre not related at all
drowsy plank
moving the seasonal energies doesn't fix that because you wouldn't be able to move all the gear crafted from them anyway
fossil finch
but still
serene tendon
#bringlinearityback
fervent orbit
low% is already gonna be torment
stop complaining about 1 boss in low% when we r going to gut like 5 bosses in 1.4.4 port
drowsy plank
lol lmao
fossil finch
and then youd have the same problem anyway because sentinels are done back to back
serene tendon
stop complaining about 1 boss in low% when we r going to gut like 5 bosses in 1....
What?!
Which ones?
serene tendon
dw about it
You're kidding
fervent orbit
no
fossil finch
actually 1 required boss
glass arch
yeah shimmer is crazy
fervent orbit
we already laid out a full plan
glass arch
i can spawn scal with cheat sheet
no its 2, you need exos and scal for shadowspec
surreal drum
moving the seasonal energies doesn't fix that because you wouldn't be able to mo...
There are some weapons crafted just from the materials, as I remember
drowsy plank
yes im saying
fossil finch
oh its until shadowspec
drowsy plank
that you would need to rebalance those entirely
half imp
it's until beating the two bosses needed for Shadowspec
fossil finch
you made tha tup now
half imp
If it was just to get Shadowspec then we would cut out 3 more bosses
fossil finch
still though low in 2 bosses
half imp
wait no
serene tendon
we already laid out a full plan
Do you have a link? I'm really curious now
fervent orbit
doze should i show mewk the plan
half imp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
surreal drum
Reposted it to remove the mispells
fervent orbit
( @serene tendon how do i pronounce ur name)
fossil finch
and then youd have the same problem anyway because sentinels are done back to ba...
anyways to the sugg in question even if you like
moved and reblanced and whatever
Youd still have bloat!!! it wouldnt be any natural progression
snetinels are mini steps, you do them back to back
drowsy plank
There are some weapons crafted just from the materials, as I remember
okay i got posted over but yes, there may be some weapons crafted with just the energies but then you have to rebalance them all and you have the fight the three sentinels in a row anyway so it doesn't really help much. DoG still has a ton of content bloat either way and shoving the already universally agreed upon bad event buffs in between what are effectively mini-bosses to fight before DoG isn't going to help
fossil finch
youd still basically be entering pre dog with an insane amount of weapons that was simply post dog before
half imp
yeah
it doesn't really change anything notable
just reduce post dog variety
increase pre dog variety
drowsy plank
i blame donors being locked to post-DoG pre-Yharon tier
fossil finch
simply add good content at post dog
simply remove donors
i know how to fix all these problems
drowsy plank
so true
fossil finch
such a shame people do not listen
worldly basalt
simply add a fourth phase
fossil finch
i know how to fix all these problems
(disclaimer: i do not know how to execute said fixes)
worldly basalt
(disclaimer: i do not know how to execute said fixes)
delete the mod, no more problems 👍 👍
drowsy plank
what if we just killed the upgraded events 
fossil finch
TURE
worldly basalt
i'd prefer remixed events to that
surreal drum
I would love to play vanilla with calamity's QoL changes though
half imp
nah upgraded events are interesting except they're just stat bloat rn
fossil finch
remiuxed events zxzzzzzzzz
half imp
reworking them would be better
fossil finch
i am very sorry for you goose
drowsy plank
we kill them until distortion biome is added and then you can reimplement the materials
fossil finch
that will not happen because for some reason fabsol doesnt want to make a mod that just includes them
worldly basalt
remiuxed events zxzzzzzzzz
i'll remix your organs 😡 😡
fossil finch
idk if someone else did
serene tendon
( <@798699298064695306> how do i pronounce ur name)
MEW-K. No, I don't know how to really pronounce a singular K
worldly basalt
mook 👍
serene tendon
I would love to play vanilla with calamity's QoL changes though
There's actually a mod that does this already
glass arch
MEW-K. No, I don't know how to really pronounce a singular K
isnt a singular k the same as a singular c
fossil finch
awesome fabsol L
fervent orbit
doesnt a c just copy other letters sounds?
fossil finch
community W
drowsy plank
There's actually a mod that does this already
is there actually one that does all of cal's QoL stuff?
surreal drum
that will not happen because for some reason fabsol doesnt want to make a mod th...
Don't blame the devs, dude, they're humans too
drowsy plank
this is literally the one time blaming the devs makes sense bc the only reason they dont want to do it is
uh
cause
fossil finch
being a human does not excuse your actual mistakes like
if i commit a mistake people can infact blame me for it
its also not even "the devs" wahtever that is it was just fab
serene tendon
isnt a singular k the same as a singular c
I guess. It wouldn't be soft though, so I don't think that'd help. Honestly, It doesn't really matter how you pronounce it, it's not like I can hear it said, it's text after all
fossil finch
its pronounced mewk
"its not like i can hear it said" loser does not mentally narrate every single string of text they read
half imp
so true
serene tendon
lol
surreal drum
Maybe it's hard to just pull the QoLs from the code, who knows?
We don't have the open code to see it
fossil finch
no it is not
also if it were they could've said that lol
(also accessing that code is possible and easy but i do not know how nor is it moral to do, or at least, not moral to do and spread anyway)
its ok u dont have to defend fab its not worth it
anyway we should get back to actual suggestions
what were we talking about evil 2 again
half imp
it's not moral to do so and copy/spread it yourself no
fossil finch
eciipse choomfie as always naturally based
swift wharf
there's a mod that removes the literally worst feature of the mod already so xd
(material bloat)
fossil finch
BAsed
swift wharf
you take the mask off calamity's materials and find tremor's materials
i want to gut life alloys so BAD
fair ledge
9 required bosses in theory for 1.4.4 port
swift wharf
anyways
fossil finch
holy shit grizzo
fair ledge
The real grizzco from Splatoon
fossil finch
you take the mask off calamity's materials and find tremor's materials
the righteous (tremor) masking themselves with the robes of the devil (calamit
swift wharf
brb
fair ledge
The real grizzco from Splatoon
No unfortunately im just a twitter account
grim tusk
Pretty sure we had plans to shift darksun
worldly basalt
the righteous (tremor) masking themselves with the robes of the devil (calamit
i think you mixed up the quote
grim tusk
And nightmare and endotermic energy had plans for when distortion comes out
worldly basalt
the demon of babylon cloaks itself in the coat of the righteous
fossil finch
if i said it right itd make no sense
serene tendon
there's a mod that removes the literally worst feature of the mod already so xd
What is it?
worldly basalt
(material bloat)
probably this
fossil finch
chadiums calamity addon or smt
serene tendon
probably this
I mean the addon
worldly basalt
oh
half imp
(material bloat)
simply make a mod that makes all items need no materials, only progression locked recipes
problem solved
worldly basalt
simply make a mod that makes all items need no materials, only progression locke...
finally, we've competely removed progression and made it into a boss rush only
fossil finch
i will go on a murderous rampag
swift wharf
i have made a funny but i will not post it
anyways
the problem are redundant materials
zzzzzzzzz
worldly basalt
like the three abyss ones, and the several materials that are just multiple materials combined?
worldly basalt
oh neat, which one?
drowsy plank
lumenyl i think is the one they kept? idr it's in changelogs
half imp
they only removed tenebris I thought
swift wharf
ya
worldly basalt
good, lumenyl looks cool
half imp
Depth cell, lumenyl, reaper tooth
swift wharf
only lumenyl and depth cells exist now
drowsy plank
oh? i thought depths cells got the axe too
half imp
still exist
drowsy plank
huh alright
worldly basalt
oh ok, depth cells are fine i guess
swift wharf
and reaper teeth ya
half imp
I don't know if depth cells got killed I didn't think they did
drowsy plank
seems weird considering enemies dropped both anyway... but w/e
fossil finch
to be fair lumenyl are tile stuff
half imp
thank goodness tenebris is gone that was the worst one
worldly basalt
to be fair lumenyl are tile stuff
its like souls of light vs. crystal shards ig
half imp
hated getting tenebris for Silva armor
half imp
its like souls of light vs. crystal shards ig
If the enemies dropped crystal shards too
drowsy plank
also yall talking about "all the combo mats" but there's only like 3, the cores, life alloy, and ASE. i dont count miracle cause like. it's just like the core of the exo weapons and you only need one each so i think it's fine. kinda like wulfrum cores or smthn
swift wharf
doesnt silva need planty mush
worldly basalt
If the enemies dropped crystal shards too
crystal shard lime when
worldly basalt
also yall talking about "all the combo mats" but there's only like 3, the cores,...
miracle makes sense but i dont like ascendant essence much
fossil finch
combo mats are funny but the real problem is half the mods content
drowsy plank
tbf ascendant is literally just a check if you've beaten the events
worldly basalt
tbf ascendant is literally just a check if you've beaten the events
its not exactly hard to do that
since its just stat ups and you already get better weapons
drowsy plank
i dont count singularities bc it's just. the four fragments. they only exist to condense recipies
half imp
Singularities are weird
swift wharf
the problem is the event itself 
worldly basalt
i dont count singularities bc it's just. the four fragments. they only exist to ...
why not just use like one or two relevant frags?
half imp
I hate them but I don't feel like there's a good replacement
worldly basalt
like solar for melee, etc
half imp
for some recipes
swift wharf
i dont count singularities bc it's just. the four fragments. they only exist to ...
or you could just use the fragment instead
half imp
maybe there could just be
drowsy plank
why not just use like one or two relevant frags?
idfk ask fab
swift wharf
like aote using solar fragments
worldly basalt
and there's already luminite in most of those recipes
half imp
and also exodium
swift wharf
exodium is bazed now
drowsy plank
look i hate gala sigs as much as the next guy but they already said they won't remove them
so
here we are
half imp
yeah
swift wharf
materialz......
worldly basalt
they should make a combo material of all other combo materials that would be funny i think
half imp
life alloy is also an odd one
half imp
I don't get the purpose of life alloy tbh
worldly basalt
scoria+
drowsy plank
but yeah ASE could explode if we just got rid of the DoG events bc then you could just use cosmolite in them all
swift wharf
your honor
living shards
half imp
like ase, singularities I get
half imp
but yeah ASE could explode if we just got rid of the DoG events bc then you coul...
ok nvm keep ASE
fossil finch
perennial
half imp
by the time you get scoria you already have perennial and cryonic easily
fossil finch
i wann be the very worst
Worst material to be ever had
half imp
yeah the theming is weird
worldly basalt
chlorophyte but it has a little flower on it now
half imp
Especially bc it's literally right after chlorophyte
worldly basalt
and its not even in jungle
half imp
one boss (maybe two)
drowsy plank
life alloy is fucking baffling
swift wharf
jungel materiel numero tres
....
drowsy plank
does it even count as a jungle material
half imp
no
swift wharf
i mean perennial
swift wharf
not life alloy
half imp
more like jungle material number 7 or so
vine, spore, stinger, chlorophyte, living shards
maybe one more I forgor
swift wharf
tarragon
half imp
Uelibloom is what I was forgetting oop but that's #7
worldly basalt
what about 6
half imp
so perennial is #6
worldly basalt
oh
swift wharf
i count prehm as one material
worldly basalt
thats how forgettable perennial is i guess, we were literally talking about it and i forgot
half imp
lol
half imp
and arguably feathers
swift wharf
huh
worldly basalt
if you kill harpies in the jungle i guess
drowsy plank
beetle juice
half imp
OH AND PLAGUE
drowsy plank
we're at 9 now
half imp
jungle speedrunning most materials
worldly basalt
oh and murky
half imp
my goodness
worldly basalt
wait if you're counting effulgent then you have to count beeswax too
half imp
nah
drowsy plank
does infected armor plating count? what about beeswax
half imp
Effulgent is from natural spawns
swift wharf
plague cell canisters
worldly basalt
Effulgent is from natural spawns
??
drowsy plank
got that one already
half imp
beeswax, soul, plating are boss only
swift wharf
jungle rose
drowsy plank
draconic swarmers rarely spawn and drop feathers
swift wharf
worldly basalt
Draconic swarmers spawn naturally
i have literally never seen that before tf
drowsy plank
do rose and gift count
swift wharf
na
worldly basalt
they're cosmetics
half imp
I'd say temple is distinct enough to be it's own
swift wharf
do you use solar tablets for anything other than whistle and tablets
drowsy plank
rose is used in 2 weapons, a tool, and 2 accessories
ah fuck goddamn temple
that's like
15
jesus christ
worldly basalt
jungle grass seeds 😳
drowsy plank
no shut up
half imp
and to think we were like "oh wow abyss has five materials"
worldly basalt
you can make string or something
drowsy plank
worldly basalt
mud block 🤯
drowsy plank
does mahogany wood count
half imp
technically pygmy necklace is a jungle exclusive material
undone cedar
Mfw jungle content bloat
drowsy plank
if we aren't counting rose im not counting necklace
swift wharf
jungle dragon jaron
drowsy plank
i mean gift
half imp
does mahogany wood count
I didn't count it bc it has like two uses for itself that's not just general wood
half imp
(yeah it was a joke)
drowsy plank
lmao
worldly basalt
life fruit is also materials 👍
drowsy plank
jungle when 15 materials
worldly basalt
seedler material 🤔
half imp
I still don't think we got them all
swift wharf
life fruits
worldly basalt
we got the material materials but we need to make more technicalities
i already said life fruit
half imp
Turtle shells
swift wharf
ballz
half imp
That's what it was
swift wharf
living shards too?
fossil finch
i think we should remove terraria
drowsy plank
17 jungle materials...
worldly basalt
i think we should remove terraria
no just remove terra and leave ria
undone cedar
i think we should remove terraria
So true
drowsy plank
(19 if you count QB and PBG)
worldly basalt
17 jungle materials...
we arleady counted living shards
swift wharf
the block button isnt enough ill reach through the skin and kill regedit myself
half imp
beetle shell if you count golem too
drowsy plank
i know i was adding turtle shells and life fruit
swift wharf
bamboo 
worldly basalt
beetle shell if you count golem too
temple brick 🥴
swift wharf
we're reaching levels never reached before
swift wharf
half imp
how did I forgor moonglow
swift wharf
you've been a material to my jungle
worldly basalt
she jungle on my material til i something
drowsy plank
she jungle on my material til i 22 devcident
which is about how many materials the jungle has
worldly basalt
donor materials when
drowsy plank
amazing
half imp
me omw to donate to make zenith a material
worldly basalt
im going to bribe fabsol to add 57 more random jungle materials that each craft like 2 useless things
fossil finch
dont add items actually
swift wharf
pirana teeth
worldly basalt
pirana teeth
dead bug
fossil finch
simply use already existing items as materials
half imp
death fruit
fossil finch
jungle seeds are now materials
half imp
bamboo
worldly basalt
they already are, green thread or somehting
swift wharf
so true enderos
half imp
make angry trapper kite a material for like five items
fossil finch
beehive block is a material
every qb drop is a material
drowsy plank
add green thread to a tiki armor QoL recipe
fossil finch
evry golem drop is a material
worldly basalt
add pokeballs so you can catch and use EVERY ENEMY and boss as a material
fossil finch
YES
worldly basalt
the pokeballs being materials too ofc
drowsy plank
me crafting the dickshitter 5000 with 16 eyes of cthulhu and a goldfish
half imp
don't forget the 5000 bobbit worms required
drowsy plank
we're just talking about the fandom wiki now
half imp
true
drowsy plank
micromaterials im fucking dying
worldly basalt
actually I should add a recipe to bobbit hook
didn't they lock it?
worldly basalt
fandom wiki
half imp
not that I know of
drowsy plank
only for like a week after the raids
worldly basalt
oh
worldly basalt
then yea add it
worldly basalt
and keeps getting worse
i just assumed the everything accessory (soul of eternity ripoff smh my head) was there since the original
fossil finch
you can do that thing some mc mods do
you pulverize a material into smaller materials but not for duping
just
a 1:1 conversion rate
smaller mat does not do anything at all
worldly basalt
minecraft mods are weird
half imp
iron ore dust
swift wharf
diamond dust....
fossil finch
im refering to like
swift wharf
calamity 1.1.......
half imp
Minecraft mod materials actually make sense though
fossil finch
not all of them
swift wharf
tiny coal is based fuck you
half imp
bc limited to a 9x9 grid
swift wharf
refined iron is balls
half imp
and you need to avoid mod incompatibility
fossil finch
refined iron crying
drowsy plank
anyone remember energy orbs
fossil finch
me when wrought iron
half imp
ic2's only good thing is uu matter tbh
swift wharf
anyways
half imp
(makes the mod crash terraria on load)
half imp
ectoblood
swift wharf
drowsy plank
ectoblood was fine for when it was implemented but man am i glad it just drops directly now
fossil finch
no it wasnt fine for when it was implemented
drowsy plank
could you il edit vanilla materials onto vanilla enemies back then?
if so yeah i guess it was dumb
glass arch
no it wasnt fine for when it was implemented
wdym you dont want to have an item thats only used to craft another crafting material so you can craft items
worldly basalt
wdym you dont want to have an item thats only used to craft another crafting mat...
ore -> bars :troll :
fossil finch
could you il edit vanilla materials onto vanilla enemies back then?
this isnt even an il edit thing i think
and even then yes you could alwasys make enemies drop more stuff
glass arch
ore -> bars :troll :
ore makes sense
worldly basalt
ore makes sense
but it technically fits "item into material into stuff"
fossil finch
like
...... ectoblood already dropped from these vanilla enemies,.,.
you could have always just made them drop
ectoplasm
,,,,,
glass arch
but it technically fits "item into material into stuff"
depends on the ore
some has blocks that you can craft with it
atomic shell
why do the dog unlock materials actually fit so incredibly well for sentinels
was that intended
worldly basalt
probably not since they ended up being unrelated
austere cargo
Usually when you have two groups of 3 things, it's not too hard to find a way to pair them up sensibly
fossil finch
they dont fit well at all but ok
drowsy plank
^
half imp
the closest to fitting is darksun and void
half imp
I said closest
fossil finch
still no
half imp
then what
endothermic energy doesn't make sense for weaver at all it just kinda
had to go somewhere
ig nightmare fuel could fit signus
fossil finch
NONE OF THEM MAKE SENSE
half imp
I agree but there's still a closest
swift wharf
💥
fossil finch
theres no need to make weirdd uuhhh actually closes no id ont care
i forgot about those
funny as hell
swift wharf
explain to me why sentinels need TWO materials each
half imp
that kinda throws this entire suggestion out the window lol
fossil finch
it doesnt really because like
theres a big chunk of bosses that drop a material and unlock another material (good game design i swear
HOWEVER
swift wharf
i must go back in time and kill francis stronger moons
fossil finch
its still dumb and the sugg is still dumb and
half imp
do any bosses drop two materials
fossil finch
no bosses drop two but the sugg is suggesting to move the event too it hin
half imp
not counting ravager's geodes besides for bloodstone
yeah this suggestion was already
thin at best
but considering they have materials already on top of everything else?
half imp
just... doesn't make sense at all
half imp
moving it does not spread it out on progression at all
bc the sentinels are all at the same time, just like the events
swift wharf
we already have a GOOD post ml event ruined by a boss we don't need THREE
half imp
so true
fossil finch
eciipse you should join me to make the good terraria overhaul mod (a completely different game
swift wharf
i will make a game that kills you if you have terraria installed
fossil finch
true
half imp
good calamity overhaul (dog drops 999 of all three event items and deletes old duke in favor of nuclear terror)
fossil finch
good calamity overhaul (dog drops 999 of all three event items and deletes old d...
true
eciipse you should join me play pikm
in
half imp
magicka is so based
swift wharf
but it needs good pc I think
swift wharf
mayb
half imp
2015
swift wharf
@ ender you should magicka..... NOW
half imp
I knew it was old but like, Minecraft and terraria old???
swift wharf
precursor of noita
swift wharf
see the specs
swift wharf
and i am currently in riskey rainer the two and deep glock galactic
fossil finch
its nine dolla i cant
swift wharf
it was on sale last week 😭
fossil finch
i THINk i could run it but like
no yeah i could run it def..,.,. i trust
but its nine dollah
swift wharf
its okay we will wait for the next sale
fossil finch
watch it not happen
alpine oasis
do any bosses drop two materials
pbg drops plating and canisters but the latter is already available
other then that i don't think so
swift wharf
ds drops 4 materials
half imp
only one is it's unique material
but yeah
no boss drops two unique materials
very few even drop 2 period
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small timber
using balancing as the sole reasoning tend to be weak, try to be more like, "properties based", like if these weapons are basically just lower damage version of another weapon (eg: spectre staff and spectre rifle; where the two are identical except different class)
because no matter how shitty a weapon is they can be buffed; but chances are the devs will not go through great effort to rework random, irrelevant weapons so their performance stay the same
lost valley
my gripe is they feel out of place, for the PHM one, i cannot think of a reason to use this over any melee weapon
even in the TM catagory
the HM one is more defensible as a weapon that works bc it does alright damage and it's good for destroyer ig (ig you could buff this and it'd be fine as a thing you pick up to kill metal worm man)
it'd basically just be in the same boat as the aftershock and the avalanche
lost valley
PHM one do be indefensible tho
surreal drum
I always wondered about a complex shortsword rework to make them actually usable
As main issue is obviously their range, I've thought about giving all of them some "dash n' cling" ability
For example, you can use a special hook to grab onto enemies and stab them a few times during the i-frames, than retire for a recharge
earnest jewel
yes, but too weak
drowsy plank
i mean she's nearly impossible to fight outside the borders due to her 99% DR so
also im pretty sure the thin walls are due to how SCal's projectiles work with regards to collision
earnest jewel
also im pretty sure the thin walls are due to how SCal's projectiles work with r...
I don’t see a big problem here, I think that it is quite possible to make the walls at least 3 block
drowsy plank
yes i know you dont see it, that's why im mentioning it, it's already part of the meta to thicken scal's arena walls manually because this makes it more likely for her attacks to pop on contact outside of her arena due to how her projectiles work
so no, thickening the walls isn't exactly a simple thing to do
crude geode
I think if you mention infernum in a sugg you deserve to be kicked in the shins
swift wharf
^^^^^^
drowsy plank
real
swift wharf
it's true that the walls suck massive nuts ttho
drowsy plank
we should add it to the bad suggestion practices
swift wharf
it's teh same square since 2018(?)
drowsy plank
yeah
swift wharf
provi's square is even older i think
but imho it is fair to make the walls prettier
just PLEASE not another fire debuff
drowsy plank
i wouldnt mind them looking better but that's different than making them thicker
crude geode
I love the focus on final boss when SCal isn’t the exclusive final boss anymore lmao
swift wharf
true
drowsy plank
yeah
crude geode
This suggestion overthinks itself tbfh
In terms of what if the player does this insane thing normal people don’t do
Although cheese suggestions are always pretty controversial
small timber
tbh
the suggestion is abit overkilling yeah
it can be boil down to just "make the border prettier and make scal actually dangerous when enraged" and done, instead of like, an essay
not like I am the one that should be saying it
more blocks for the border actually have combat impact because it increase the chance the gigablast hitting the border, but I think it is fine since it means that there is a less difference between fighting in open area and encasing yourself in 100 blocks thick solid stone block because that is the optimal arena
swift wharf
just fix the projectiles 
make them only explode when in contact with the inner walls
or in an area around the altar
small timber
or you can just make them ignore walls 
but it will make scal like, 5x harder, instantly; if they want to do that they seriously need to make bullet hell projectile lesser
glass arch
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let fucking go
cobalt pewter
<@446350937120964609> callie enrages outside of the border already
oh so her nickname is Callie now?
anyways the point of making those blocks is I guess because Scal is supposed to be super accurate, and making a limiter that actively tries to kill you would probably be opposite of intended
it could be prettier tho
right now it's just
black
also it's already mentioned that she enrages if you're outside of the area yea (through the magic that is rod)
and I think it boils down to common sense
"oh I wonder, why does the boss got pregenerated blocks surrounding the altar?"
"surely it's nothing and just for decoration "
glass arch
the worst part is misjudging the spawn timer and accidentally beginning the fight outside of the arena
which is absolutely hell
sharp rapids
if it disabled the life regen, wouldnt it basically "destroy" the regenator?
crude geode
This suggestion works under the principle that every debuff gets at least it’s own immunity
Which I’m not sure happens
small timber
if it disabled the life regen, wouldnt it basically "destroy" the regenator?
debuffs had always been meant (or at least one of the main way) to counter life regen, to certain degree, that and heavily defensive build (because debuff "ignore" defense and DR)
the rationale behind the suggestion was that because debuff dont properly remove your life regen many of them have to be given completely bullshit amount of DPS (you can notice this easily in death mode) to basically "counter" the amount of life regen you have, which makes it extremely unfair against low regen build
so for best of both world it should just remove regen but at the sametime (maybe) able to reduce the DPS on those debuffs (and to make crown jewel line actually work, and make investment into immunity worthwhile)
iirc except for like, god slayer inferno and vulnerability hex you basically can get on-tier immunity for most debuffs in the game
half imp
I think the two shortswords should stay and be reworked tbh
we don't have many shortswords
so it'd be nice to make them usable and interesting
half imp
iirc except for like, god slayer inferno and vulnerability hex you basically can...
pretty much yeah
I guess and miracle blight next patch probably
drowsy plank
how would you even rework the worm swords
i mean typically if a weapon stayed it's bc they have ideas for it
but also they could have also just been so bad they were forgotten lmao
half imp
idk cal devs would find something
just hurts an already niche subclass even more by killing them
frosty trellis
i mean typically if a weapon stayed it's bc they have ideas for it
(They didn't, I remember I think Shade, Ian or Stip saying that they forgor about them in the original suggestions for purges)
eternal escarp
those specifically likely stayed because without them, there would be no melee drop
sinful violet
so it'd be nice to make them usable and interesting
the Mindset
The issue that boils down to is
eternal escarp
they could be changed in the future but for now they arent the worst weapon offenders, theyre kinda just mid
sinful violet
With the new swing-style of broadswords
sinful violet
What defines a shortsword differently from a spear
swift wharf
because they're DS weapon reskins
sinful violet
^
eternal escarp
What defines a shortsword differently from a spear
so true
sinful violet
Besides being
half imp
What defines a shortsword differently from a spear
shortsword is a sword and spears are not
half imp
also shortsword doesn't get longer with melee speed
undone cedar
Shortswords were a mistake and should be ignored
eternal escarp
shortsword is a sword and spears are not
mechajically they are
the same
half imp
spears do
swift wharf
Shortswords were a mistake and should be ignored
true and real
sinful violet
anyway the point being
half imp
spears also don't attack faster with melee speed in vanilla I think?? unsure
sinful violet
you can make a shortsword as mechanically interesting as possible, but in the end "shortswords" don't have a really unique mechanical identity
and you could make them like
half imp
but besides melee speed interactions they're just shorter spears yes
sinful violet
really wacky and cool like a slashing blink dagger or something!!!!!
but then there's no real point trying to distinguish weapons as shortswords
it could just be Make a cool close range true melee
swift wharf
cosmic shiv
swift wharf
lances are literally dumb as fuck
crude geode
Reminds me of how mage doesn’t really have any unique mechanical identity in it’s “subclasses”
swift wharf
eclipse rant about lance's nerf being rarted because they weren't buffed to be VIABLE WEAPONS in return
numero 5
eternal escarp
you dont
they are already a mistake
weary plaza
Reminds me of how mage doesn’t really have any unique mechanical identity in it’...
what are even the mage subclasses bor
swift wharf
mage is based because it doesnt have subclasses
weary plaza
without being broken
idk damage cap them?
eternal escarp
there aeent subclasses in mage
half imp
maybe give them a right click dash attack or something
distant gyro
subclasses are a good way to get away with copypasting
eternal escarp
people just like categorizing things
crude geode
^
half imp
so true
swift wharf
true and real can we remove true mleee
half imp
mage's subclasses are:
shoots a bolt of magic
other
distant gyro
instead of needing to make 500 designs for each magic weapon
make most of them a gun, book, or staff
sinful violet
lances are literally dumb as fuck
lances are funny as fuck
half imp
lances are great just wish they had any reason to ever use them
sinful violet
mage is based because it doesnt have subclasses
ummm staffs and tomes...
distant gyro
so that you don't have to spend time thinking about how to sprite a weapon
swift wharf
wwhat is the difference between staves and tomes
weary plaza
lances are funny as fuck
either they are bad or u just build so much speed that u oneshot everything
weary plaza
wwhat is the difference between staves and tomes
a tome is a funny book
a staff is a funny stick
crude geode
wwhat is the difference between staves and tomes
You need a magic tome (sometimes) to craft one
swift wharf
subclasses if they were good
swift wharf
either they are bad or u just build so much speed that u oneshot everything
society if lances were good weapons without needing a railgun setup
distant gyro
lances moment
swift wharf
(this will literally never happen because 2 people use them)
drowsy plank
i mean
they still are
drowsy plank
i cant use luminite arrows in a gun 
swift wharf
i dont know what ultima does
crude geode
God
red stormBOT
drowsy plank
also guns!! dont benefit from quiver of anhiliation so!! that's. something
drowsy plank
gun 2
crude geode
What about the melee weapons from gungeon
distant gyro
"here's a bracket key
it god damn deletes the entire screen"
eternal escarp
if only terraria is like gungeon where literally anything can do anything
trueee
swift wharf
anyways i iwll go back to the problem of
aquatic scourge's weapons being literally just DS weapons but with more damage
crude geode
Yep
swift wharf
so called indirect upgrades when they do the exact same fucking thing
crude geode
Literally always been a problem and why I think aquatic scourge lacks a fuckin identity outside of sulphurous sea and desert scourge
Concept: kill the sulphurous sea bosses
sinful violet
this man said what ive been thinking
swift wharf
aquatic scourge's weapons being literally just DS weapons but with more damage
hive and perfs also suffer from this
crude geode
swift wharf
with perfect dark and vein burster and the summons
sinful violet
you've been mental to my calamity state
swift wharf
that is such a powerful gif it lags my phone sometimes
eternal escarp
with perfect dark and vein burster and the summons
i hate those
swift wharf
o ya the summons
sinful violet
basically entirely unnecessary
crude geode
I love slime God’s weapons basically just being the night’s edge equivalents because why would you bother using the cooler things
kill those lines
swift wharf
we must kill all weapon lines and just make cool stuff with its own theming instead
😈
swift wharf
indeed
half imp
simply make recipes not work till boss is dead 
undone cedar
No
drowsy plank
i like aquatic scourge
also i feel like it would be very easy to just
rework his drops to actually be mechanically different
drowsy plank
sea's searing is cool 
i still one of the biggest issues with boss themeing is just the fact that all the evil biome stuff is so frontloaded to preHM and early hardmode. even old duke is like, mostly fine. his drops could use some help, but even the most egregious sulph sea stuff isn't as bad as evils1->evils2->sg within the span of like 5 bosses
and then ichor and cursed flames and then you never touch the evil biomes again
half imp
yeah
jungle may have 20 materials
but at least they're spread out through the whole game
drowsy plank
im gonna be honest i could very easily see hive mind and perf getting moved to like. post-ML
it's the only section of the game with no evils content and is already lacking in content in general
plus it'd let those evil weapons have their own identity without getting muddied by brain/eow or evil mimic weapons, and without shoving them into the slurry of hardmode boss content
swift wharf
maybe we should have less bosses
sinful violet
could maybe just do less boss items
fights remain, but just for the fights
no worries about balancing
no weapons having to constantly cycle out of your inv
drowsy plank
lmao
swift wharf
sinful violet
no more boss drop VS boss craft
drowsy plank
the idea of fixing the evil2 bosses by just... removing all their drops is very funny
they would still unlock aerialite i suppose
crude geode
Indeed
swift wharf
it only exists because progression locking
sinful violet
since they're moving it to the sky now they could just lock aerialite behind pickaxe power or some other more subtle tier lock than "oh this boss spawns it"
crude geode
Yes
drowsy plank
evils1 pickaxe
swift wharf
bosses should have less weapons overall
not really the mod's fault because it kind of follows a vanilla pattern
swift wharf
but then now every boss must drop a weapon for each class and its mother
bright crag
since they're moving it to the sky now they could just lock aerialite behind pic...
No, lore-wise it makes sense for Aerialite to be accessed post-evil-2 now
drowsy plank
oh huh
bright crag
Not to mention that, with Reaver Shark around, mining power is a really unneffective lock in pre-HM
drowsy plank
reaver shark is weird
sinful violet
No, lore-wise it makes sense for Aerialite to be accessed post-evil-2 now
sorry i honestly dont care for answers which are "oh it makes sense in new lore" unless it's actually going contribute to the discussion
if it's what i think it is anyway, it's still janky as hell
sinful violet
but then now every boss must drop a weapon for each class and its mother
worst thing queen bee ever did
bright crag
It does contribute
It means that it isn't just pure gameplay and actually means something other than "ok new resource"
sinful violet
not really the mod's fault because it kind of follows a vanilla pattern
a pretty modern vanilla pattern yeah
bright crag
And that it makes sense for its current position
sinful violet
queen bee, duke, ML
sinful violet
It does contribute
It means that it isn't just pure gameplay and actually means ...
right but it's still just
nothing to the conversation besides just handwavin the topic
on the vanilla bosses thing, i think
plenty of cal bosses could just do without drop pools
boss drops tend to make up the most generally forgettable items in the mod unless they happen to be really strong
and when they do happen to be really strong it's not always a good thing?
because what happens is they push weapons that're crafted or have trees out of place, makes holding onto old weapons feel less rewarding
to just immediately get a stronger option like that
like leviathan teeth or the star shaped aureus flamethrower
most of aureus' drops really
small timber
Nth time to add "Generic Gun no.N" to "X" boss' loot pool just to make sure it have weapons of all class
sinful violet
PLEASE no
bright crag
I do see the problem
small timber
But yeah I always considered indirect upgrades also as part of their drop but NO exo need mage weapon drop because they dont have mage weapon drop
bright crag
And we'll keep that in mind for the future
sinful violet
at the same time it's easy to jsut say "remove all boss weapon drops" but of course you can't really do that
so it comes down to another
case by case look
at every tier, every boss
despair
bright crag
Also, it doesn't help that a lot of boss drops are forgettable or straight up bad
sinful violet
that's the crux of it yeah
sinful violet
who's picking up brackish flask over
bright crag
The sword bloat is real
sinful violet
whatever other bomb you have at that tier
swift wharf
Nth time to add "Generic Gun no.N" to "X" boss' loot pool just to make sure it h...
well have THREE OF THEM
sinful violet
im picking on leviathan because i have its page open the same applies to almost every other boss
oh yeah PBG is
one of the worst
offenders
swift wharf
⚡
bright crag
Expect forgettable swords to either vanish or be reworked to not be swords
sinful violet
like imagine ultimus cleaver having to compete with
whatever fancy post golem sword tree you craft
swift wharf
pbg makes sense to be ranged and summoner
sinful violet
its pushed to the wayside
sinful violet
whichever tier that is yeah
the issue is terraria just really doesn't have use cases for weapons ig
you apply pretty much every weapon to every scenario because they're sitting in your hotbar
small timber
And donor weapon dont help
sinful violet
and all the weapons end up being balanced against bosses
swift wharf
this convo implies that profaned guardians are good bosses
small timber
I know like obviously people paid, they should get what they paid for
crude geode
and all the weapons end up being balanced against bosses
Most major problem in existence
sinful violet
well donor weapons are a separate thing
but they contribute to the feeling of too many weapons yeah
cant be denied
small timber
But at the sametime it just force add a lot of "fancy weapon" (due to having to meet the donator's idea) that often exceed the "normal weapon" in many ways
sinful violet
this convo implies that profaned guardians are good bosses
i never said ANYTHING of the sort >:
small timber
Especially modern ones
swift wharf
small timber
Which only cause a lot of old boss drops to be even more forgettable
crude geode
Isn’t there a config to turn off dono weapons/stuff? I might be thinking of thorium
swift wharf
and all the weapons end up being balanced against bosses
This will literally never get changed
you are in the wrong mod
sinful violet
that sounds like thorium
crude geode
Not that that’s a great solution
swift wharf
youre in the admin............
sinful violet
doesnt make me in the mod......
swift wharf
at last a good changelog
sinful violet
wtf
swift wharf
for your mental health
swift wharf
this mod will never stop being boss centric
bright crag
But at the sametime it just force add a lot of "fancy weapon" (due to having to ...
Though that is as much of a "fancy weapon" problem as a "poor weapon" problem
sinful violet
feature creep is a Real Thing yeah
bright crag
Calamity weapons are overall pretty outdated and meh, save for some exceptions in each tier
Of course fancy weapons will be incredibly cool in comparison
sinful violet
big numbers and high multipliers get scary and are either broken if you do know or too annoying for people to want to use
final dawn just being One example
just the first thing that comes to mind
swift wharf
NR
sinful violet
im not up to date with all the cool abbreviations dude
swift wharf
the rod upgrade
bright crag
Normality Relocator
sinful violet
oh that’s
swift wharf
but do not worry
sinful violet
kinda old
small timber
Though that is as much of a "fancy weapon" problem as a "poor weapon" problem
My rationale is that the same time and effort committed on a donor weapon (could potentially) had been used to improve an old weapon instead which is why I thought it is a 2 way problem
sinful violet
nvm
swift wharf
there are more donor weapons to come :)
bright crag
Don't people use that...?
bright crag
If they don't, I assume it's the higher cooldown working as intended
sinful violet
I’d say it sits right on the border, some people don’t like it some people swear by it
bright crag
Making it a sidegrade rather than an upgrade
sinful violet
Just because they’re more used to hotbar rod
sinful violet
I still didn’t use prenerf nr tbh
swift wharf
it was funny
half imp
imagine using NR or RoD
sinful violet
Granted that’s also because I didn’t really use rod either because I was lazy
half imp
Hook of dissonance gang rise up
swift wharf
not as funny as weapons out's hook of discord but external mods ! !
sinful violet
we live in 1.4 era now
hook of dissonance IS real
dont know how that compares to weaponout’s though
half imp
probably worse
swift wharf
weapons out is straight up broken
sinful violet
Probably
half imp
HoD shoots kinda slow
sinful violet
They should’ve replaced rod with hook of dissonance imo!!!
swift wharf
it's a hook and a rod of discord
sinful violet
Just to watch what happens
swift wharf
basically you'd just press e to teleport and use it as a hook while on cooldown
bright crag
I use mostly RoD
Because NR has the bigger cooldown, and I'm used to switching to RoD enough so that it isn't a debilitating factor
sinful violet
Right yeah
sinful violet
The muscle memory alone was enough to keep me on rod
Even pre nerf
- another hotkey is
:/
small timber
Imagine using rod when you can use glorious end instead
swift wharf
mf just DODGE
half imp
glorious end and acro pack is the real good teleport
swift wharf
pylon arena
sinful violet
glorious end and acro pack is the real good teleport
Yeah that
iban could’ve fixed it
didnt because it was funny
by popular vote
swift wharf
because i never use it 
half imp
NR is just spectral veil at home
sinful violet
b/c stealth is a busted ass mechanic and everything that benefits from it is constantly fighting against each other and regular weapon attacks
Average players pick it up, either hardly read it, aren’t playing rogue or don’t see damage numbers associated with it and just ignore it
swift wharf
or that
sinful violet
Yeah a lot of people just Kill Signus then
Never Again
If that is signus’ drop
Don’t remember 
mental olive
i know the boss isn't that hard though
grim tusk
How tf is this not nerfed yet
It encourages aggressive play, but if needed I could give it a slight nerf
And yea its very underrated atm
If you play very aggressive you kinda deserve killing bosses a bit faster
But how faster does it allow you to kill stuff
half imp
it's also kinda a 15 second cooldown NR with extra iframes